Ep. 2301 - A Democratic Senate Candidate With A NAZI Tattoo?!

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Plus, Republicans finally dump Paul Ngracia overboard, and we talk about the government shutdown and construction on the White House.

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There are not a lot of vulnerable seats for Republicans in 2026, but one of those vulnerable seats was supposed to be in Maine, where Susan Collins, who's a Republican senator from a very purple to blue state, she looked to be vulnerable against the Democrats.

The Democrat chosen to run by the party was a person whose name is Graham Plattner.

Graham Plattner is a Bernie Sanders acolyte.

He's a far-left progressive.

There was a primary that had broken out between Maine Governor Janet Mills and Plattner.

But it appears that Plattner, who had the upper hand, now he is in trouble.

Now he is in trouble.

And one of the reasons that he is in trouble is because he is in fact a radical insane communist.

Not just a communist.

Apparently, he kind of likes Nazis.

I know that I don't know where all of this sort of fondness for Nazis is coming from, but it seems like a bizarre number of people are kind of into the Nazis these days.

So the reason this is coming up is because Graham Plattner, apparently,

released a video, shirtless, drunk at some sort of event, a wedding or something, in which he has a Nazi symbol tattooed on his chest.

Now, again, Plattner has the endorsement of Bernie Sanders as an anti-establishment outsider, according to Axios.

But

there have already been a series of minor scandals surrounding his candidacy, including resurfaced Reddit posts where he espoused offensive views about black people and sexual assault victims.

So apparently, in this video, he is singing shirtless and he has a skull tattoo on his chest that is a totenkopf, which was a symbol used by Hitler's SS.

You know, like the skull and crossbones used by the SS.

Apparently, the move was intended to get ahead of OPO research, and the GOP Senate campaign arm seized on the images, accusing Platiner of having a Nazi tattoo, which is, of course, precisely what that is.

Now, Plattner then decided to go on with the Pod Save America, bros, joining Tommy Vieder, former Van Driver, for Barack Obama.

And he says that the video was from his brother's wedding.

And he said, I am not a secret Nazi.

First of all, when you have to say you're not a secret Nazi, never a great political sign.

I'm waiting to put that on a bumper sticker or whatever.

He said that he got the tattoo in Croatia while he was deployed and very inebriated, and that he and his fellow Marines chose, quote, a terrifying-looking skull and crossbones.

So, um, yeah, this was awkward.

Here he was with Tommy Vieder.

And the reason that we are showing this video is because at the very end, you can see a tattoo on your chest.

And I've been told that some of your political opponents are telling reporters that that tattoo has a Nazi affiliation.

And I would like to know, is that accurate?

Are you a secret Nazi?

I am not a secret Nazi.

I went to college.

I went to the gym.

I did all the things.

And at no point in this entire experience of my life did anybody ever once say, hey,

you're a Nazi.

It never came up until we got wind that in the opposition research, somebody was shopping the idea that I was a secret Nazi with a hidden Nazi tattoo.

And I can honestly say that if I was trying to hide it, I've not been doing a very good job for the past 18 years.

Okay, well, actually, it is not just a matter of people have not randomly accused him of being you have like literally an SS symbol tattooed on your chest.

I mean,

whose fault is that, Madude?

So, controversy has now broken out over whether he meant to have a Nazi symbol tattooed on your chest.

Now, I don't know how many people accidentally have Nazi symbols tattooed on their chest.

I feel like the number is relatively low.

That's not like a thing that you just randomly stumble onto.

You get drunk one one night and you're like, hey, let me get that Nazi tattoo here on my chest.

Like, I'm not sure how that happens particularly.

Apparently, some of his political friends and allies don't believe him either.

According to Jewish Insider, a person who socialized with Plattner when he was living in Washington, D.C.

more than a decade ago, says that Plattner had specifically acknowledged the tattoo was a totenkoff, the death head symbol adopted.

by the Nazi SS unit, the guarded concentration camps in World War II.

Apparently, he said, oh, this is my totenkopf.

He said in a cutesy little way.

That exchange occurred in 2012 at Toon Inn, a popular dive on Capitol Hill, where Plattner later worked as a bartender and was a frequent patron while he attended the George Washington University on the G.I.

Bill.

He would often take off his shirt, drinking with friends late at night at the bar, and on at least one occasion had stated he knew what the tattoo represented, according to the former acquaintance.

So apparently, Plattner said.

At the time, at one point, that he was aware it was a totenkop when he'd gotten the tattoo.

Another time he said that he didn't know.

I mean, clearly he knew.

That is the reason why he's revealing the video now early in an attempt to get past it before the primary vote.

Now he's trying to explain that we chose a terrifying looking skull and crossbones off the wall because we were Marines and skulls and crossbones are a pretty standard military thing.

We got those tattoos and then we all moved on with our lives.

And he says, it was not until I started hearing from reporters and DC insiders that I realized this tattoo resembled a Nazi symbol.

I absolutely would not have gone through life having this on my chest if I knew that.

And to insinuate that I did is disgusting.

I'm already planning to get this removed.

Now, there is a problem.

Apparently, Plattner's former political director, one Jean-Viev McDonald, who resigned from his campaign last week over her objection to other Reddit comments, which we'll get to in a moment, said in a Facebook post, well, Graham has an anti-Semitic tattoo on his chest.

He's not an idiot.

He's a military buff.

She wrote in the post.

Maybe he didn't know when he got it that he got it years ago.

He should have have had it covered up because you know damn well what it means.

So, yeah,

this seems at the very least unpleasant.

And again, not a gigantic shock coming from Ram Plattner because

there were a bunch of Reddit posts that are pretty ugly as well.

In one of them, he described himself openly as a communist.

He called all cops bastards.

And he dismissed sexual assault in the military.

Also, he defended a man with a Nazi SS lightning Bolt tattoo who later admitted to impersonating a federal officer at a BLM protest in Las Vegas in 2020.

Plattner said in a deleted Reddit post, quote, I will be sure to inform the black guys I know with Bolts that they're Nazis now and not U.S.

Marine Corps scout snipers.

Bolts were an SCI icon since the 80s, at least, if not longer.

It was never official, but it sure as bleep was tattooed on almost every hog I knew between 2004 and 2012.

He also drew scrutiny for appearing in a photo this summer with a white supremacist agitator in Maine, Richard Ward, who's running for a banger city council seat.

Apparently, in the photo, Ward is pictured wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the number 88.

Apparently, Graham,

the spokesperson said, told this person to F off.

We don't know.

Again, when you're in public situations and people are taking pictures of you, you can't necessarily vet every single person who shows up with any t-shirt.

However, you can make a determination as to whether you would choose to have a, you know, Nazi tattoo.

That one seems like it doesn't happen by total accident.

Now, what's amazing about this, aside from the fact that Graham Plattner seems to be a bit of a scuzzbag, and here I say that he has comments on these Reddit posts asking why black people don't tip, suggesting that people concerned about being raped shouldn't be inebriated around people they don't feel comfortable with and all the rest.

Now, this is the kind of stuff that would normally get you canceled, certainly from the Democratic Party, but he is a progressive, and that means that Bernie Sanders is going to defend him now.

So the same people on the left are demanding that every Republican in sight condemn every young Republican, even tangentially associated with an ugly text thread.

All those same people are now out defending Graham Plattner today.

So, for example, John Lovett, another one of the Pods Have America bros, he tweeted out: only perfect candidates off the Harvard law conveyor belt, please.

Highly disciplined, all boxes checked, well-liked and humble, absolutely no spiritual connection to having a physical body except for severe IBS, volunteered at a soup kitchen in high school, signs email cheers, et cetera.

Okay, I think that there's a big gap between that and, you know, the drunken dude who is routinely spewing garbage and also has a Nazi tattoo on his chest.

Also, John Levitt routinely calls people Nazis.

So

just weird how that double standard immediately applies.

Bernie Sanders, for his part, he says, I personally think that he is an excellent candidate.

I'm going to support him and look forward to him becoming the next senator.

in the state of Maine.

He said, there's a young man who served his country in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he went through some really difficult experiences, seeing friends of his killed or whatever.

And in spite of all that, he had the courage to run.

I personally think he's an excellent candidate.

Okay, but I don't think that you would be making the same excuses if the person were on the other side of the aisle, obviously.

Asked about Plattner's comments about sexual assault.

Sanders then shot back: Have you served four tours of duty?

Okay, so I do love Bernie Sanders pulling out the patriotic military service card after spending an entire career ripping on the American military-industrial complex and America's foreign policy.

But in the end, this is the Democratic Party.

It is all about power.

It is not about actual consistent argumentation.

And they're perfectly happy to have a self-described commie with a Nazi tattoo on his chest running for Senate in Maine if it means the Republicans lose control of the Senate.

That's what really matters to them in the end.

Already coming up, Democrats are still having a tough time separating off from their radicals.

Plus, we'll get to the government shutdown and all the rest first.

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Well, it's not just Bernie Sanders endorsing Graham Platiner or the Potsdam of America bros endorsing Graham Plattner that is indicative of where the Democratic Party is.

Again, the Democratic Party continues to simply endorse people who say and do quite terrible things.

Abigail Spanberger is running for governor of Virginia, of course, and she has been plagued by the issue of Attorney General candidate Jay Jones.

Jay Jones, of course, texted a Republican that he wished to kill the Speaker of the House of Delegates in Virginia and then called that Speaker's children small fascists, even though he apparently knew the kids.

Abigail Spanberger is now saying that, you know, those texts were just a poor choice.

There's not no biggie here.

Well, I want to begin by first, you know, condemning clearly the texts that he sent to a colleague.

And I condemned them as soon as I learned of them and, you know, called on Jay Jones to publicly explain himself.

And I think that he's been quite clear in his apologies and in his taking ownership of that poor choice.

Okay.

Is he taking ownership?

Because taking ownership usually means consequences.

But again, that doesn't seem to apply in politics anymore on any side of the aisle, as we'll get to.

in a moment.

Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren continues to prop up the ghost of Ed Markey, the senator from Massachusetts in the face of Seth Moulton, a much younger Democrat who's running against him.

Moulton is considered sometimes to be a more moderate Democrat than Ed Markey.

He's trying to sort of make more progressive signaling toward the bays.

But here is Elizabeth Warren, who would rather have the very, very old Democrat in the Senate, the more radical Democrat in the Senate, because this is who the Democrats are.

They are embracing the radicalism full scale.

I've endorsed my partner in the Senate, Ed Markey.

You know, Ed is a terrific fighter.

I was just with him at our

No Kings rally in Massachusetts on Saturday.

And he was out there raising the troops because Ed fights from the heart.

He is a good man.

And I am honored to be his partner in the United States Senate.

Good times.

Good times.

I mean, again, he has been in the Senate.

for legitimately forever, pretty much.

I mean, he has certainly been in Massachusetts politics for forever.

He was born in 1946.

So forget about the next generation of Democrats.

The next generation of Democrats will either be insane progressives or they will be, you know, just old people.

Meanwhile, I've been talking about this for a while.

If you're going to condemn extremism, if you're going to condemn radicalism, if you're going to condemn structures that promote violence, then you really should do that on all the different sides.

This should not be particularly difficult.

And the fact that people have a tough time with it is bewildering to me.

in the extreme.

And this is why it is worth talking about that apparently, according to CBS News, a pardoned Capitol rioter was arrested last weekend for allegedly threatening to kill a House minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries.

Court documents obtained by CBS News said that this person was arrested Sunday after saying in text messages he planned to eliminate Jeffries when the top House Democrat spoke at an event in New York City on Monday.

He was arraigned on Tuesday, entered a plea of not guilty.

He said, I cannot allow this terrorist to live.

Even if I am hated, he must be eliminated.

I will kill him for the future.

Jeffries spoke about this on the floor a little bit.

Here was CBS reporting.

Christopher Moynihan texted threats, terroristic threats, they say, against Hakeem Jeffries, the House Democratic leader, texting, quote, even if I am hated, he must be eliminated.

I will kill him for the future, about Jeffries.

Allegedly, Moynihan not only texted that, but knew that Jeffries was to appear yesterday at an event at the Economic Club of New York and noted that date and that event in the text thread.

Jeffries put out a statement in which he said that threats of violence will not stop us from showing up, standing up, and speaking up for the American people.

Now, again,

I think that the people who make violent threats are responsible for their own actions.

People who promote conspiratorial nonsense that ups the ante on violence, those are people who ought to be called out as well, because that is in and of itself a bad thing.

That is why it is quite a good thing.

that Paul Ingracia has now apparently withdrawn his nomination.

That is a positive development.

We talked about Ingracia yesterday.

He was the person chosen to lead the office of special counsel, but he had a long history of truly awful decision-making with regard to his own personal politics.

Ingracia's move came after Republican senators voiced opposition to the nomination.

It became clear President Trump's pick to lead the office of special counsel had no path to confirmation.

Senators James Lankford of Oklahoma, Rick Scott of Florida, and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin said on Monday they opposed Ingracia's confirmation.

Politico had reported on Monday, Monday, as we talked about, that Ingracia had used an Italian slur for black people and also written, quote, I do have a Nazi streak in me from time to time.

I'll admit it.

He, of course, is a big supporter of Andrew Tate, among others.

Why he was picked in the first place remains a bewildering decision.

But yes, there should, in fact, be some self-policing by the parties because here's the deal.

Either you end up self-policing or somebody else ends up policing you.

That is just the reality in life.

And when it comes to condemnations of immoral behavior behavior and terrible opinions, that it seems to me like a baseline moral standard as a general rule.

Okay, meanwhile, in terms of actual violent action and incentivization of violent action, again, back on the left, yesterday, a U.S.

Marshal and an illegal immigrant were shot in Los Angeles when federal officers opened fire as a migrant weaponized his vehicle and tried to flee a traffic stop, according to the New York Post.

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Apparently,

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He pressed on until an agent opened fire.

An illegal immigrant was shot in the elbow.

The U.S.

Marshal was struck in the hand by a ricochet bullet.

Again, why

in the hell we should consider this the fault of federal agents as opposed to the people who continue to incentivize illegal immigration, including criminal illegal immigration in the United States, is beyond me.

And yes, people are more likely to attack ICE agents if they know that there is sympathy to them doing so.

There's no question of that.

Okay, the other big controversy of the day is really not a controversy, but people are trying to make it into a controversy.

And that, of course, is the reconstruction of the White House East Wing.

So the East Wing was built in 1902.

It has been repeatedly reconstructed since then.

It was really expanded pretty massively by FDR in 1942.

It is not one of the older parts of the White House.

The president of the United States has ordered parts of the East Wing to be demolished, and then the East Wing will be rebuilt as a giant ballroom, which is fine.

I mean, I've been to the East Wing.

I'm just telling you, it's a bunch of of offices.

It is not in any way comparable to the West Wing.

A Treasury official apparently wrote on Monday evening in an email to department employees:

As construction proceeds on the White House grounds, employees should refrain from taking and sharing photographs of the grounds to include the East Wing without prior approval from the Office of Public Affairs.

Supposedly, this is because it could reveal sensitive items, including security features or confidential structural details.

More likely, just on a skeptical level, it's because the the images of gigantic cranes and wrecking balls taking down parts of the White House have become a talking point for many, many Democrats.

During an event at the White House earlier on Monday, President Trump described the ballroom as a grand entertaining space for visiting dignitaries, and he said it would be funded by private donations.

The ballroom will be at least 90,000 square feet with the capacity for more than 650 seats.

The East Room currently has enough space for about 200 seats.

It's very small.

I've been in there.

It's not very large.

The main footprint of the White House, not including the East and West Wing, is approximately 55,000 square feet.

And President Trump said for more than 150 years, every president has dreamt about having a ballroom at the White House to accommodate people for grand parties, state visits, etc.

I'm honored to be the first president to finally get this much-needed project underway.

This, of course, prompted Democrats to freak out.

Senator Tina Smith of Minnesota wrote, Seeing the White House torn apart is really emblematic of the times we're in.

Here's President Trump talking lightheartedly about the reconstruction effort.

If I do this again, I'm going to get a ballroom built and we're putting up our own money where the government is paying for nothing.

You probably hear the beautiful sound of construction to the back.

You hear that sound?

Oh,

that's music to my ears.

I love that sound.

Other people don't like it.

I love it, Josh.

I think when I hear that sound, it

reminds me of money.

In this case, it reminds me of lack of money because I'm paying for it.

So it's the opposite.

Okay.

I mean, again, the fact that people are trying to make a big deal out of this is totally insane.

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1902 renovation by Theodore Roosevelt, which included removal of Victorian conservatories, construction of the West Wing for executive offices, upgrade of interior finishes, state dining room renovation.

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That is when it was added.

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There were a bunch of expansions under FDR, including adding a second floor and larger basement to the West Wing and construction of the East Wing to house offices for staff and secure wartime communications.

There's a major reconstruction under the Truman administration because there was a risk of collapse.

That included new foundations, steel and concrete structure, modern plumbing, wiring, heating, and cooling, and rebuilt interiors.

There are a bunch of restorations under Jackie Kennedy.

And then, of course, there were renovations to the Rose Garden by the Trump administration in 2020.

And in 2025, construction of the White House ballroom.

And pretty much everybody made significant upgrades, including, for example, the addition of the Truman balcony.

So the White House has always been a building that is under construction.

All right, coming up more on the government shutdown plus the latest on the negotiations over the Gaza Strip.

The vice president is visiting Israel.

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Meanwhile, the government shutdown continues to pace.

Democrats, again, they are struggling for a narrative.

Tearing down the White House is not really a narrative.

It really, really is not.

I do not think that most Americans are going to sleep tonight enraged by the idea that President Trump is constructing a ballroom at the White House.

The government shutdown continues to be a Democratic-driven policy.

So much so that rational Democrats like John Fetterman, senator from Pennsylvania, he's like, you know what, we just nuked the filibuster.

Like, seriously, reopen the government, nuke the filibuster.

Now, Republicans are hesitant to do this because once you break that glass of nuking the filibuster, then presumably, if Democrats ever get control of the Senate again, they could do the same thing.

And say it doesn't want to do that.

But Fetterman's approach here is well taken, which is like, there's like 55, 56 votes here to reopen the government.

Enough of this.

Some of your Republican colleagues have proposed nuking the filibuster to force the government to reopen.

What do you think?

Yeah, of course.

Of course.

Carve it out for that?

Absolutely.

We ran on that.

We ran on killing the filibuster, and now we love it.

You know, it's like carve it out so we can move on.

And I support it because it makes it more difficult to shut the government down in the future.

And that's where it's entirely appropriate.

And I don't want to hear any Democrat clutching their pearls about the filibuster.

We all ran on it.

I ran on that.

Hey,

he, again, remains maybe the only sane Democrat in the Senate at this point.

Meanwhile, President Trump says the Democrats should stop the madness and just reopen the government.

This thing is probably going to go on for a couple more weeks, it seems like.

But today I'm calling on every Senate Democrat to stop the madness, to let our country get back.

In the greatest moment in the history of our country, in terms of wealth, in terms of job creation, and in terms of investment coming in, these guys go on strike.

It's really a shame.

So I'm asking them to be smart.

It's not working.

They're getting killed in the polls.

The public understands what they're doing.

They're doing the wrong thing.

President Trump points out that Chuck Schumer and the rest of the Democrats are holding the government hostage.

Now, this, again, is language.

It goes all the way back to Barack Obama, who suggested that Republicans were holding the government hostage.

The Tea Party was doing.

So he called them Tea Party terrorists, actually.

But here is President Trump basically turning about his fair play, which may be the slogan of the Trump administration, honestly.

Unfortunately, in a craven and pointless act of partisan spite, Chuck Schumer, who I've known for a long time, and the radical left Democrats are holding the entire federal government hostage to appease the extremists in their party.

And they are extreme.

I mean, I've never seen anything like it.

Again, he is not wrong.

And Senator Thune, the Senate Majority Leader, he says that he hopes Democrats will come to their senses and actually just reopen the government at this point.

So we're hopeful that this will be the week when we break out of this and the Democrats come to their senses and decide to open up the government.

We're going to give them several opportunities, as you know, to do that.

We'll have another vote on the continuing resolution tomorrow, which is sitting at the desk of the Senate.

It can be sent down here to the White House, signed into law.

The government would open up immediately.

Well, meanwhile, the Democrats are claiming that the government must remain shut down no matter what, because health care is a ticking time bomb, which is hilarious.

Because I'm old enough to remember when Obamacare was passed, and it was supposed to bend the cost curve and solve the problem of health care premiums.

And then it didn't.

Here's Senator Chris Van Hollen, a clinical moron, talking about this.

Well, Chris, I don't want to see the shutdown go on.

And that's why I, together with my Democratic colleagues in the Senate, have voted seven times now to reopen the government, but without giving Donald Trump that blank check.

He was doing a whole lot of damage to federal employees in the country even before the shutdown.

I mean, remember Elon Musk and his chainsaw.

And they did a huge amount of damage in their so-called big, beautiful bill, which was beautiful for billionaires but not for others.

And when they extended the tax cuts for billionaires, the one tax cut that they did not extend was that that helps middle-class Americans afford their health care.

They've left this ticking time bomb and we want to diffuse it and that's what i'm hearing from my constituents as well

i mean again why was that time bomb ticking i mean you guys radically expanded obamacare subsidies in 2021 under the guise of the pandemic which by that point was already waning but i thought that obamacare was supposed to solve this didn't it i mean what what's it are you admitting that obamacare is is basically a giant fail that has constructed enormous government-based subsidies and has not really lowered the cost curve in a gigantic way.

The real reason here is because Democrats are hoping that this will somehow spur them to the polls.

Hakeem Jeffries, this is actually really funny.

Hakeem Jeffries, the House Minority Leader, he says that the government shutdown is hurting Republicans so much so that Democrats will win in New Jersey and Virginia.

It is at this point that I should remind Hakeem Jeffries that New Jersey is a very blue state and Virginia is a very blue/slash-purple state.

Like if your big triumph is that you somehow regain the governor's mansion in Virginia and that you win in in New Jersey, I got to say, you guys are playing defense an awful lot.

We're going to win in Virginia, and we're going to win in New Jersey because the American people are fed up

that Republicans would rather spend time on vacation on the Gulf Course,

give $40 billion to a foreign entity,

and can't find resources to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits days away from November 1st and the open open enrollment.

Okay, well, meanwhile, the Republicans continue to play turnabout is fair play.

According to the Federalists, the House Judiciary Committee has now referred former CIA Director John Brennan to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution over allegations he knowingly made false statements to Congress about his role in the Russia collusion hoax.

In a letter to the Attorney General Pam Bondi, obtained by the Federalist Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan argued that Brennan made numerous willfully and intentionally false statements of material fact contradicted by the record established by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, as well as the CIA.

The referral highlights numerous instances in which Brennan allegedly issued untrue remarks when testifying before the Judiciary Committee in May of 2023.

And again, this is a fairly well-predicated ask by the Judiciary Committee.

The reality is that Brennan did at the very best fib.

When asked about whether he was involved in analyzing the so-called steel dossier, Brennan claimed, no, I was not involved in analyzing the dossier at all.

He said, were you aware of the fbi's involvement with the dossier matt gates who was then in congress asked brennan and brennan said yes because there's an annex in the ica that the bureau asked to be included there it was their purview their area not ours at all but apparently brennan overrode the objections of cia officials concerned about the steel dossier's inclusion in the assessment at all and simply included it

so again this is not just turnabout is fair play it's john brennan lied to congress Now, in the turnabout is fair play category is a report that I think

this is foolhardy.

Again, I think that the Republicans, you always got to be careful of overconfidence, sort of leading you down the primrose path into defeat.

Apparently, according to the New York Times, President Trump is demanding the Justice Department pay him $230 million in compensation for the federal investigations into him, according to people familiar with the matter, who added that any settlement might ultimately be approved by senior department officials who defended him or those in his orbit.

So this is certainly an ethics conflict because many of the people in the Justice Department were appointed by the president, who is now asking them to apparently reimburse him for legal fees during the course of the last several years.

Those legal fees, by the way, are not paid by the lawyers.

If you wanted to go ahead and sue the lawyers or go after the lawyers, that makes sense.

If he wants to make the American people pay the legal bills, that seems to be a bit of a different story.

Apparently, President Trump submitted complaints through an administrative claim process that is often the precursor to lawsuits.

The first claim lodged in late 2023 seeks damages for a number of purported violations of his rights, including the FBI and special counsel investigation into Russian election tampering and possible connections to the 2016 campaign.

President Trump did say that he would give any of that money to charity.

He said, I'm the one that makes the decision.

That decision would have to go across my desk.

It's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself.

I mean, I don't even understand how this would work, frankly, on a sort of practical level.

The conflicts are so obvious.

None of this is to say that the federal law enforcement structure was correct for targeting President Trump.

They clearly were not.

But I'm not sure the solution to that is the president who presides over the DOJ asking the DOJ to reimburse him for his legal bills.

That seems to me fraught with an enormous number of serious conflicts.

Already coming up, we'll talk about the latest in Israel, the future of the Gaza Strip, and we're joined by a man who is held hostage by Hamas for 491 days, Eli Sharabi first.

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President Trump yesterday said that he is optimistic that Hamas will disarm.

And if they don't disarm, frankly, there will be consequences to that.

The Hamas situation, where

they're pretty violent people, I would say, that we could put that out in two minutes.

We're giving them a chance.

You know, they agreed that they'd be very good, very, very

straight.

They wouldn't be killing people, and they have killed people.

That wasn't the deal we made, but

if they don't honor the deal, they'll be taken care of very quickly.

But I'd rather not have to do that.

Yeah, well, you know, the question is how that happens, because the only force that was actively attempting to destroy Hamas has now been essentially barred from doing so by the so-called ceasefire deal.

Now, the reality is that the way this is likely to go is that the area outside the so-called yellow line, which is the sort of current border between Israeli-held territory and Hamas-controlled territory, that area is likely to become not just a buffer zone, but actually a fairly populous and peaceful zone.

Essentially, the Gaza Strip is going to be partitioned.

That seems to be the most likely scenario here.

Jared Kushner, special advisor to the president on these matters, he says that rehab funds are not going to pour into the Gaza Strip, at least the part controlled by Hamas, but rebuilding will commence immediately in the safer part of the strip.

That would be the part currently controlled by the Israeli military, and that will eventually be handed over to some sort of security force, an international stabilization force, they call it the ISF.

No reconstruction aid, no reconstruction funds will be going into areas that Hamas still controls.

And as far as the demilitarization goes, once the ISF is up, there needs to be a security force that they can feel safe from

in order for it to be the transition to be complete.

So that needs to happen.

Okay, so that is perfectly rational.

What this means is that if there is no force in the Hamas-controlled parts of the Gaza Strip, that is Israeli, and there needs to be some other international force willing to actually do the hard work of getting rid of Hamas.

In all likelihood, is that going to happen?

I remain skeptical that the Arab nations are going to put their soldiers on the ground in Gaza in order to get rid of Hamas.

And there are serious open questions as to which countries would be sponsoring that.

As an American, I do not trust Qatar or Turkey to do that, considering they're the funding mechanisms for Hamas for the past 20 years.

It's a different thing if it's the Saudis, the UAE, maybe even Egypt, none of whom like the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas.

Meanwhile, Israel has released footage of Hamas torturing and murdering people.

in the remaining parts of the Gaza Strip.

Remember, all the people who are very, very concerned about Palestinian civil rights and human rights and who are claiming that there was a genocide.

Spoiler alert, there was not a genocide in the Gaza Strip.

26,000 Gazan high schoolers actually graduated from high school the other day.

You know, like they actually went to school in the middle of the war.

Not only that, there is brand new data that is out demonstrating full scale how ridiculous the claim of a starvation campaign was.

According to a brand new IPC analysis,

the IPC declared a famine on August 22nd through the ceasefire on October 10th.

If there was in fact a famine, there should have been 10,000 starvation deaths.

The Hamas and the UN counted 192, virtually all of whom had preexisting conditions.

So that is not even remotely a starvation campaign.

It is the opposite.

It is a feeding campaign considering how much material was shipped in.

In any case, all the people who are yelling about Israel seem to have no problem with Hamas reconstructing military centers under hospitals and schools and murdering Gazans in the streets.

Here's some of the footage of it.

This is Hamas dragging a man shirtless through the street.

He appears to be unconscious.

And this sort of stuff is happening in the Gaza Strip right now, the parts that Israel no longer controls.

This person would eventually be shot to death.

So well done, members of the international left who said that Israel was really the problem in the Gaza Strip as opposed to Hamas.

Meanwhile, The vice president of the United States, J.D.

Vance, headed over to Israel to try to oversee the implementation of some sort of phase two or negotiation over phase two, which would involve making quiescent the Hamas-controlled part of the Gaza Strip.

Here was Vice President Vance with Prime Minister Benjamin Tanyahu in Israel yesterday.

We have a very, very tough task ahead of us, which is to disarm Hamas, but rebuild Gaza to make life better for the people in Gaza, but also to ensure that Hamas is no longer a threat to our friends in Israel.

That's not easy.

I think the Prime Minister knows that as well as anybody, but it's something that we're committed to in the Trump administration.

Hey, the vice president also said that if Hamas does not cooperate, then Hamas will be obliterated.

That, of course, is the position of the president as well.

Right now, where I stand, I feel confident that we're going to be in a place where this peace lasts, where it's durable.

And if Hamas doesn't cooperate, then as the President of the United States has said, Hamas is going to be obliterated.

Now, again, how that happens, that's still an open question.

The vice president said that both Arabs and Israelis are showing some impatience with Hamas's unwillingness to disarm itself, which, of course, is not a giant shock.

I think what you're seeing from our Gulf Arab friends, certainly from our Israeli friends, is a certain amount of impatience with Hamas.

But we're going to keep on working at this process and we're going to keep on trying to bring the deceased hostages home, but also make sure that all Gazans are able to live in a prosperous and safe place.

Now, hilariously enough, actually,

people on the left have been ripping into Vance for this trip, which again

is a fairly traditional foreign policy trip.

Jen Saki over at MSNBC stepped in it yesterday.

She suggested that J.D.

Vance is so scary that Usha Vance might want a divorce.

Come on.

Come on, Jen.

Not cool.

Very silly.

We're going here already.

The Vance panic has begun already.

All right.

I think the little Manchurian candidate, J.D.

Vance,

wants to be president more than anything else.

I always wonder what's going on in the mind of his wife.

Like, are you okay?

Please blink four times.

We'll come over here.

We'll save you.

And that he's willing to do anything to get there.

And that your whole iteration, you just outlined, I mean, he's scarier in certain ways.

He's smarter in some ways.

And he's young and ambitious.

And ambitious.

Okay, well, we've already gotten started with the JD is scarier than Trump routine, which is, of course, true of literally every Republican in my lifetime.

Oh, man, that last guy, we hated him so much, but the new guy is so much worse.

They've been saying this about every Republican literally ever.

It's pretty impressive stuff.

Again, the situation in the Gaza Strip can only be understood if you actually talk to people who have been through treatment by Hamas.

Joining me on the line is the author of a brand new bestseller, Hostage.

That book came out October 7th, 2025.

It is written by Eli Sharabi, who is held in captivity by Hamas for 491 days.

Ellie joins us on the line.

Ellie, thanks so much for taking the time.

Really appreciate it.

My pleasure.

Thank you very much.

So, Ellie, your book is astonishing, obviously.

For those who haven't read it, why don't you give us the brief story of what happened to you on October 7th, where you were taken, and what happened next?

We were in our house in kibbutz, Berry, me, my wife, my two daughters.

On October 7th in the morning, we had alarm in the kibbutz,

and we've been in a safe room.

Four hours later,

10 terrorists from Hamas arrived to our house,

invaded to our house and kidnapped me and

murdered my wife and my two daughters.

They are British citizens, murdered them with their British passport in their hands.

And I was kidnapped to Gaza.

And I've been there for 491 days, most of them, 440 days from them.

I've been in Hamas tunnels, 50 meters underground.

So, you know, what happened to your wife and your daughter is, as you write about in the book, you did not know that on October 7th.

On October 7th, you assumed that because they were British citizens, that Hamas wouldn't harm them, that Hamas would attempt to kidnap them instead.

And you only found out on your release, which happened in February of this year, what had happened to your family.

During that entire time, you talk about in the book, your hope that they were alive and waiting for you.

What was it like to obviously come out of the tunnels, be released, and immediately find out what had happened to your family?

It was awful.

It was

the worst thing I could ever imagine.

For 491 days, it was my hope to see them running towards me and hugging me.

And I promised them I'll come back and I will survive for them.

And unfortunately, the social worker from the IDF announced me that only my mother and my sister are waiting for me and they will tell me what happened and of course she didn't need to tell me anything

because I understood the worst case the worst scenario happened for me and

and since then you know this loss and the grief

they are with me every moment of my day

but I decided it will be the alongside of my life and not instead of my life so you were you were taken into Gaza as as you talk about in the book.

You were initially housed in an apartment building.

You were chained in a room essentially for a few months and then you were moved into the tunnels.

What is it that people in the West do not understand about Hamas that you think leads them to protest against the IDF's actions in the Gaza Strip in favor of Hamas, in favor of the narratives that Hamas is telling?

What do people not understand?

I mean, you saw Hamas firsthand for literally a year and a half of your life.

What do people not get about Hamas?

The people need to understand that Hamas is a terrible organization,

very

fundamentalistic jihad.

They have no boundaries, not at all.

They starved us, they chained us, they beat us, they humiliate us every day.

And

in every conversation I had with them, every conversation they said two things first of all they keep coming back to israel uh on 26 27 28 and to kill all of us they don't care if it will take 100 or 200 years um they will do it eventually and after they finish with the israelis and the jews um they come to britain and france and germany and the us

because for them uh all the world should be muslims and there's only one religion in the world it's islam so what was the treatment like you mentioned it briefly there in the tunnels because obviously there was a difference between being kept overground and being kept underground.

People in Israel knew that these terror tunnels existed for legitimately decades, actually.

And so when they moved you from the apartment that you were being held in by civilians, I understand, correct?

Some of the people who were holding you were civilians.

They were all members of Hamas.

When you were moved into the tunnels, two questions.

One, were there civilians who knew that you were there?

Did they do anything to help you?

And two, when you were moved into the tunnels, what was the experience of the tunnels?

so first of all um nobody tried to help us not uh civilians and not uh hamas people anyway um

even more than that uh hamas um

um

you know terrorists um actually afraid were afraid all the time from the civilians from outside that will hear us in this apartment and they will come in and they will lynch us and they will kill them as well.

And the conditions in the Hamas tunnels 50 meters underground, most of the time it's dark.

The hygienic condition is

awful.

There's no running water,

no soap, no toothpaste.

You wash yourself every six weeks with half a bucket of cold water.

and worms all over the place,

rats and roaches.

And

from then, of course, as I said, as I mentioned before, humiliations and violence and the starvation

was the worst thing ever.

So as a human being, how do you even survive that?

You were held down in the tunnels with, from time to time, a few other Israelis.

I think that the people who you were down there shifted over the course of time a little bit, but you were down there with a few other Israelis virtually all the time, as you talk about in the book.

How do you actually get yourself through the day, not knowing what is coming next?

And also, what was Hamas saying to you about what Israel was doing and the response of the world?

So,

you understand it is: you cannot wake up every morning and expect to go home today.

So, you have to have a routine

that the time will pass, you know, without to get insane.

So we prayed every morning.

We tried to train like moving us because we were chained on our legs.

So we were, and most of the time we were lying down on the mattress or the floor.

And you have to move yourself a little bit.

And you're talking,

you're singing.

You keep your hope all the time.

And that's how you, you know,

trying

that the day will pass until someone will come and tell you that you're going home.

From Hamas, we just, you know, they try to say to us that there's no Israel anymore and everybody sent missiles to Israel and

almost destroy Israel.

And the Israeli government and the Israeli civilians forgot all about us.

And that's what they've tried to do all the time.

Yeah, so, Ellie, you speak Arabic, so you're able to talk with your captors

in their language.

And you've mentioned some of the things they were talking about.

One of the things you talk about in the book is that they would tell you how divided the West was.

They would tell you how divided Israelis were.

They would champion that.

They would talk about how the West was essentially crumbling because of the sort of propaganda work that they were doing.

Talk about...

you know what they saw as victories for them what were the things that that gave them hope that they would eventually win even though obviously the idf was pounding gaza at the time?

Yes, that's they really were really, really proud that we are dividing in Israel.

And they said the protest is against Netanyahu and all the Israelis doesn't want Netanyahu to be the prime minister.

And

for them, it was a victory, you know, that we are dividing and we are not united.

So because of that, after my release, most of my,

when I speak to people, I mention how much it's important to be united and to show all the world that we are one nation.

And this is the only way that we can defeat our enemies.

So LA President Trump and the Trump administration have now brokered this deal to get the 20 live hostages out.

They came out a couple of weeks ago or a week and a half ago.

That obviously was a moment of triumph for Israel.

The president essentially declared that Israel had won.

Realistically, Israel has pulled back to what they're now calling the yellow line, which is about 53% of the Gaza Strip inside.

The rest of that 53%, that 47%,

that area is Hamas seems to be consolidating control.

They're killing people in the streets.

They're renewing bases inside schools and hospitals and all the rest.

What is it actually going to take, practically speaking, to extirpate Hamas?

Is that even a real possibility?

You're asking if it's a possibility that Hamas will change or what?

Or will will be destroyed.

What would it take to destroy them?

What would it take to make sure the Gaza Strip is not run by Hamas?

I have no idea.

I'm not an expert.

I'm not going to give any suggestion to this to my government or to the army.

I'm really not an expert in that.

Really, really just happy that, first of all, all their life hostages came back to their families.

and they're with the families now and they can recover.

And we are happy that it's

a kind of a peace process or agreements in the area.

Two years of war didn't do anything good

for Israel or for Israelis

since October 7th, all the Israelis in trauma and I think after two years they can start to heal a little bit.

from this day and from all these two years with the

missiles all over the place from Iran, from Hezbollah, from Gaza, and from the Khut in Yemen.

So we are happy for now, like for the quiet time now,

as much as we can get.

And that's it.

Well, that's Ellie Sharabi.

His book is hostage.

It is a must-read.

Ellie, really appreciate the time.

And thanks for the inspiration you provide to so many people.

Thank you very much for having me.

Thank you.

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