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Speaker 1 Coming up, the cousin and I breaking down week 16. in a football stretch of games that will seemingly never end.
And it's turning my brain to tapioca. It's all next.
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Speaker 1 Sal, are you happy? what are your emotions right now it's worth the wait so worth the wait

Speaker 1 i gotta tell you bill i i know i i i can't i can't root against them i hate it i know it cost us a draft you know draft picks in certain order and i know i know i have tampa bay to win the nfc south and yet when that defense plays with the intensity that it did it is very hard to root against the cowboys you have to feel that way too come on come on i mean your team didn't win but i you know what i'm saying right i thought you were doing collinsworth but you're doing sal i thought you were gonna do that Mike, hey, this is the greatest game I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 I've never seen a football game like this, Mike.

Speaker 1 It was the greatest everything. It's the greatest secondary.
It's the greatest interception. That run from Baker is the greatest.

Speaker 1 The producers are in Chris's ear, like, Chris.

Speaker 1 Please stop saying how the Cowboys have nothing to play for. Like five minutes later, hey, Dallas has nothing to play for, Mike.
They had nothing to play for. I don't even know why they care.

Speaker 1 Why are they dressed up?

Speaker 1 What are they doing?

Speaker 1 I want to watch Vita Veya. I wish he would moon me.

Speaker 1 I'm going to rename my son Vita Veya. You hear that, Jack Collinsworth? Vita Vea Collinsworth now.

Speaker 1 Mike, this is the hardest-hitting game that doesn't matter at all. And everybody should turn the channel that I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 That was quite an ending to quite a weekend. And I got to say, I'm footballed out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just didn't want to watch this game, especially

Speaker 1 once Dallas was eliminated, even though they're already eliminated, but I watched it because we had to watch for the pod. But, you know, big picture,

Speaker 1 this football stretch we're in, we had Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, tomorrow, to Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, nine of 12 days football. And

Speaker 1 I'm already feeling like I'm at Foga de Chow, ready to tap out, ready to turn the red. You're turning the red? You're going red already? We get another game tomorrow.
I'm like, I'm going red. Red,

Speaker 1 I can't have any more meat. This is too much, especially the college football.
It's too much. It's a lot, man.
It's a lot. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 And it started, it had a Friday on, but you know, you and I love it. We love the money line favorites.

Speaker 1 And the money line favorites came in six in a row between the college and pro games Friday and Saturday. So that's a nice little nest egg we built, right?

Speaker 1 All the faves hit except for Philly, which we will talk about thanks to Jalen Hurts. But basically, any sort of money line parlay with any reliable good to great team,

Speaker 1 five, six points and up hit. It was your kind of weekend.
I was thinking about you because Usik was fighting too. Our guy that we love betting on.
He hasn't lost since the first Obama term. Right.

Speaker 1 And just get to throw him in with different parlays. You get the Buffalo money line and the Green Bay money line, but Philly was the letdown one.
That was awesome. I know.
It was entertaining, right?

Speaker 1 And it's nice to win Christmas week.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Philly, and by the way, with Hurts going out, the first thing we thought of was our friend brad and hench who both on separate leagues had hurts starting and the two leagues were in yeah our two craziest friends had hurts the most volatile infantile fantasy rooters and owners and the i mean hench is talking about the independent neurologist for 14 hours straight on text he was so up just kept texting

Speaker 1 hitch hitch is like diametrically opposed to chris dwitzki in concussion protocol so get it back in there And then our friend Brad, who hasn't won our knockout league, I don't think since we've had the knockout rule, but he's been voted out three times.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I haven't heard from him. I'm honestly, we may have to do like an unplanned wellness check.
We've done a few of those, but not for a fantasy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So Hurts ends up with 4.5 points.
He gets

Speaker 1 he crushes anybody who had him. Not his fault.
But

Speaker 1 not the big story from that game because Jaden Daniels, not only locked down offensive rookie of the year, I think five TDs.

Speaker 1 82 rushing,

Speaker 1 another come from behind win, another like super exciting DC moment. Yeah.
And it feels like his mojo came back the last couple.

Speaker 1 He was definitely hurt there for, I don't know how long, but now he's starting to look like him again. But that was such a great win.
It felt like they had lost that game five different times.

Speaker 1 I didn't even know if it was a bad Eagles loss. You know, they had Kenny Pickett.
And I had the Eagles in a parlay and

Speaker 1 Kenny Pickett's in there halfway through the first quarter. And you're going, the fuck? Like, I definitely never wanted to bet on Kenny Pickett again in my life.
But he actually wrote me in.

Speaker 1 I was like, he seems okay.

Speaker 1 And not offered insurance. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 God bless, you know, Common Finn and Ringer pregame show co-host Joe House.

Speaker 1 And I picked this Washington team to make the playoffs. And Jaden, thanks for the.
Offensive rookie of the year, Luke. But I can't wait to bet against this team in the wild card round.

Speaker 1 I mean, the starting quarterback goes out, five turnovers for Washington and a drop pass, maybe the worst big drop pass of the year by Devontae Smith, which would have run the clock.

Speaker 1 There were two because there was that long one with Barkley, too, was another backbreaker that he should have.

Speaker 1 By the way, the Giants fans have always said he never catches those.

Speaker 1 He's got like butterfingers on big pass plays. And that was yet another one, but the Devontae Smith one.
There was a lot of those today, though, in the cold weather games.

Speaker 1 I think we forget how cold it is. Like the Bills Pats Pats game by the second half, everybody looked like they were wearing oven mitts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not as cold when we're screaming at the TV in our toasty living room, you know, wearing a blanket.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but yeah, but Washington needed every

Speaker 1 bit of everything we just named to win that game. I mean, are they the full shit team? I mean, they, you know, starting with the Hail Mary, I know maybe a few unlucky breaks with injuries, but

Speaker 1 they're 10 and five, 10 and 5 right now.

Speaker 1 The Hail Mary was stupid. They had one other really stupid win.
And then this one.

Speaker 1 But I mean, this one they earned, you know, it like you have, what was it, first down and goal from the nine under 20 seconds left. That should be like the most impossible.

Speaker 1 It's like a nine-yard two-point conversion. Guys wide open.
The Eagles just completely fucked it up. But

Speaker 1 so in that case, I felt like that was almost

Speaker 1 It wasn't a bad Eagles loss until that last drive. Because if your defense is that good, everybody's like, this is the most well-rounded, including me.

Speaker 1 This is the most well-rounded team now that detroit's done their defense is gone the eagles they can get stops not only did they not get stops like that was like one of the worst touchdowns anyone's given up this year it was really bad guys wide open in the middle of the end zone you have to think he'll be back hurts right and so if that's the 2-7 matchup yeah now it's now it spells doom i think for washington i don't think there's any way philly loses

Speaker 1 those games are always weird with them though yeah how many weird philly washington games can we have that's true and then there's always like like fans from either side at both of the games.

Speaker 1 Philly's defense needs to be a little better. That's for damn sure.
But like a lot of these top teams, you could say that for. Well, the weird part was

Speaker 1 I just, I didn't understand like that, that the 12-man on the field,

Speaker 1 guys running off, all of a sudden they're just giving up like a 70-yard touchdown to give them the lead.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of stuff I didn't like with them.

Speaker 1 You look at the playoff picture, like they're locked into the two-seed. Yep.
Right. So they have Dallas and the Giants left.
Dallas, your team is like a surprisingly hard out now.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's a cross-off by any means, especially if they decide to sit Hertz for a week. So if it's you against Kenny Pickett next week, yeah, you might be eight and eight.

Speaker 1 So they're locked into the two seed. And then

Speaker 1 the one seed is just bizarre, where Detroit feels like they've lost like one time in three months. And yet somehow Minnesota is controlling everything.

Speaker 1 If they just win their last two games, they're going to be the one seed. Yeah, now they're, yeah, right.
Now they're Philly loss. Yeah, you're right.
I didn't think about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, listen, I have to, I think I have to go to the Vikings intervention.

Speaker 1 You have to throw an intervention for me because every Sunday I come on here and I praise Sam Darnold, and he has 32 touchdown passes now. And then Friday, I'm like, oh, who are they playing?

Speaker 1 They're not going to show up this week. I'm going to take Seattle.
And

Speaker 1 I get it right in the Keester. I mean,

Speaker 1 it's ridiculous what Minnesota and Darnold are doing. And I don't know.
I'll probably take the Packers next week. I can't believe you just used the word Keister.
Yeah. That's like

Speaker 1 no, no. It's just

Speaker 1 mid-70s people and up. It's like Aunt Chippy and your dad might have gotten that one.
And that's it. I just came from seeing them.
I think that's the problem.

Speaker 1 I bet on Minnesota this week. Oh, you did.
And mainly because we have all these Seattle bets.

Speaker 1 But I've also, I'm the same way. I said uncle with them a while ago.
They're they're legit. I don't know how many times times they have to do it.
And I thought what was interesting about that game.

Speaker 1 So rooting for Minnesota to score. Seattle takes the lead.
Minnesota's down four. They actually have to go down and score a touchdown.
There's like five minutes left.

Speaker 1 And I'm sitting there in the couch

Speaker 1 where I haven't moved for like, I don't know how many hours. And I'm like, I think Darnold's going to get this.
Like, I swear that was my feeling in the cat. I was like, he's going to get it.

Speaker 1 I really think he's going to use the field.

Speaker 1 I thought you were going to do the orgasm face again. I was worried there.
All right. No, that was.
He's on the couch.

Speaker 1 And now, you know what's funny about those is when I'm doing that as a joke to make you laugh, and then it gets cut out as blog posts. It's like, look at this weirdo, dude.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I'm literally doing a joke. You can't cut that out and try to make fun of me when I'm doing a joke.

Speaker 1 They caught you off guard. Yeah.
I was like, oh my God, what's he doing? It's like, I'm doing a joke.

Speaker 1 But anyway, Minnesota down four. And Darnold, he's done it, I don't know how many times this this year, but there's seven, eight quarterbacks in the league that I feel like can get that done.

Speaker 1 It wasn't an easy scenario, but he's got these two great receivers that always seem to be open in the right times. But that throw breaks through.

Speaker 1 He's got pressure, cuts through, throws like almost like a semi-sidearm. He's got to beat the safety.
It was just a great play. And then Gino became Gino at the end of the game, which he was.

Speaker 1 They got a little lucky because they got the face mask. Was it a face mask called on Darnold?

Speaker 1 It's one of those things where there's three guys about to sack them, and one of the idiots puts his hand on the face, man. Yeah, and then like,

Speaker 1 you got to call that. There's nothing about it.
But it was a great throw. And he marched.
He is so

Speaker 1 cool under pressure and marches him right down the field. And Jefferson is five touchdowns in the last three games.
Like, I don't want to say he was missing. He was MIA the first time.

Speaker 1 They were double teaming him. Yeah, they were taking him out.
They were the go throw to Addison and go throw to Hawkinson. They're only going to get better, I think.

Speaker 1 And so, why am I going to bet against them again?

Speaker 1 God damn. I think you could,

Speaker 1 if we're just going, who do you trust the most right now?

Speaker 1 I think there's a real case for them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because it always feels like they can score when they need a touchdown.
Their defense can create enough havoc that they can get some stops.

Speaker 1 They always seem to grab a turnover when they really need one. And Genko is always in.
And they're exceptionally coached. We make fun of coaches a lot.

Speaker 1 Like my Patriots today, who had two really good drives in a row to start the game, but then as the game went along, the wheels started to come off.

Speaker 1 We had a backward lateral on like our own eight-yard line that ended up getting recovered for defensive touchdown. Like, what are we doing?

Speaker 1 Why are we having Drake May whip a screen pass to Stevenson, who's already fumbled, who isn't exactly Mr. Hands in nine-degree weather inside our own 10-yard line? Like, what are we doing?

Speaker 1 Why are we punting from, you know, midfield when we're down 10? You watch that stuff. And then you watch Minnesota, though.
You had the nice fake there. That was fun.
Oh, yeah, the fake punt.

Speaker 1 But then you watch Minnesota, and it's like, I just, I agree with everything they're doing. This team has it.
They're really well coached. Flores is great on defense.

Speaker 1 O'Connell knows what the fuck he's doing. Really good team.

Speaker 1 I'm in on the Vikings. I think they're legit.
I think they are too, and I think they play defense.

Speaker 1 And if you talk about like the four or five top teams, like, you know, obviously the Lions didn't kill them today, but there's your front seven is injured. You know, they have 22 guys on IR or out.

Speaker 1 Most of those are defensive defensive players.

Speaker 1 We saw the Bills' defense. I don't know how much more you need to see out of that.
Who else? Philadelphia was bad today.

Speaker 1 Like, really, just like the Chiefs and Vikings are the only two teams defensively right now with a few weeks left that I'm comfortable with.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Pats had 28 first downs on the Bills defense today. Yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 1 We have no receivers. Like, we are, we have an offensive coordinator that will do 10 dumb things a game.
Thousands were first downs. Wow, he had that good today.
He was incredible games.

Speaker 1 May wasn't that good in the second half. I'll admit it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was. I mean, you know,

Speaker 1 listen, you give him 15 chances to score from inside the five. He's going to freak, he's going to hurt you.
That's what he did at the end. Don't you, don't do that because he will show you up.

Speaker 1 Come on. Why are you making fun of me? My teammate, I have the second pick in the draft right now.
Next to Antonio Pierce. That is nice.
Antonio Pierce, like fist pumping in the sidelines.

Speaker 1 Like, we did it. We drafted from two to six.
We got this.

Speaker 1 Wait, going going back to that. Let's talk Washington,

Speaker 1 Philly, Minnesota, that whole vortex. So the Hurts concussion, I think, is in the running for one of the biggest football moments of the year because it didn't just feel like it swung the seeds.

Speaker 1 It also happened during semifinals in fantasy. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I was trying to think of like what injury that, you know, he'll be fine in a week or so, but what like relatively minor but sucky injury would have had more impact on more people hurts is like a top five fantasy quarterback like i guarantee he was on all the same so it was just like a crazy moment and then watching pickett go in there and you're thinking like for washington like this is really good for them like they they if they're any good they should probably steal this game and then they couldn't do it for two hours but so that happened and then the minnesota thing And Seattle's out now, it seems like, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, they're not officially out, but.

Speaker 1 Well, they play the Rams, right i know but they're a game back they gotta they basically need the rams to lose next week they need to win next week and then they need to beat and those rams will i mean this is a couple games they've won scoring one or no or two touchdowns right it's just uh they just get it done so weird with them you know what's weird about them they're they're like a january team they're like the opposite of what their profile is

Speaker 1 you know like you think of them you think that they're like this dome team they're gonna be in these 37 they're in these ugly like 19 to 16,

Speaker 1 20 to 17. Like that, that kind of makes more sense when you're watching them.
Like the Jets didn't punt, I don't think they punted today or they punted. They punted once.

Speaker 1 But just like ugly turnovers, going for it on fourth down, not getting it.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 They're like one of those boxers that you can't like figure out what their style is.

Speaker 1 They run the ball really well some weeks. Other weeks, they don't.
Some weeks Stafford looks like he's 40. Other weeks, he looks like he's 25.
I don't have a handle handle on them at all. Do you?

Speaker 1 I don't either. I don't know.
Yeah, I want to say I want to bet against them in the playoffs, but if Stafford, I think Stafford's going to struggle in cold weather a little bit.

Speaker 1 I think we saw that and the numbers

Speaker 1 support that. And, you know, if Aaron Rodgers just didn't hand them the ball at the end, that might have been a game.
He was at least

Speaker 1 oh, really good. Really good.
He was awful.

Speaker 1 But yeah, they have what, like, what'd they score against San Francisco? 12? And then barely 19 today? In 10 days, I think they have three touchdowns now.

Speaker 1 And it's a lot of like,

Speaker 1 it's a little chiefs-ish

Speaker 1 where they're, if it's, if it feels like if it's close in the fourth quarter, you feel like they're going to pull it out and they'll show McDay and he's like high-fiving people and doing that whole thing.

Speaker 1 The other big scenario that happened today, and you could feel coming Thursday after that game flipped with the Chargers and the Broncos, it's like all of a sudden Cincinnati, it's doing the sleeper hold.

Speaker 1 And since then, it's like, one,

Speaker 1 two.

Speaker 1 And then it's like, oh, oh, the finger. Oh, my God.
What's going on?

Speaker 1 They've won three straight. They're missing their left tackle and their right tackle.
And their defense is awful. Although it's pretty good today.

Speaker 1 And yet, somehow they're still alive.

Speaker 1 And if they have,

Speaker 1 they're playing Denver at home next week

Speaker 1 and then at Pittsburgh. At Pittsburgh.
Which might not mean anything. Pittsburgh could be in that scenario where they're, oh, we're the sixth seed.
We don't care if we're the seven seed.

Speaker 1 You know, it doesn't seem like teams really mind. Pittsburgh could be the five seed.
Yeah, they could be five or six and not even care. And then they need Miami and Indiana to Indianapolis to lose.

Speaker 1 Can I just say something?

Speaker 1 By the way, is not

Speaker 1 a, Miami's playing Cleveland and the Jets. Indianapolis is playing the Giants and Jaguars.
So those games might run out. Right, right, right.
I had my biggest bet of the year.

Speaker 1 I'm going to come clean, Penn State, Cincinnati, teaser.

Speaker 1 And i i was so mad at the bengals i was like how the frick are you not putting this game away you know like this is this you make they're only 17 points for two hours jesus and you got dorian thompson robinson pete whatever his name is running up and down the field like are you kidding i know it's 24 6 but yeah can't they this is you know this is the defense

Speaker 1 you know your defense has been awful all year long can you just keep it in check against cleveland not not scare us so much no nobody would believe it from the box score.

Speaker 1 I actually really enjoyed the bad football. I had bets on every game except the Rams Jets.
I'm just like, I'm not going near that. I don't like what we talked about over the Rams, but

Speaker 1 that Cleveland game was close.

Speaker 1 Their kicker missed a couple kicks. Dorian Thompson Robinson was terrible at exactly the wrong times, but for the most part, seemed pretty confident.

Speaker 1 Their defense was doing a good job, I thought, against the Bengals.

Speaker 1 And it felt like they were hanging around, hanging around, and all of a sudden it was going to be 17-13 13, and they were going to have the ball with five minutes left. I was freaking out too.

Speaker 1 I didn't understand why the Bengals couldn't close it. It's a sexy bet.
I know our buddy Raheem went with it, plus 680 to make the playoffs. I haven't checked it.
Of course, it's lower now.

Speaker 1 That's what it was this morning. But I don't even know if they run the table, even with that slate that you said, home against Denver.
Their defense is bad. Yeah.
Yeah. Everyone's doing that.

Speaker 1 You don't want to see them. It's like, no, I think I'd feel good about seeing them actually.
They can't stop anybody. Yeah.
They're very consistent.

Speaker 1 So you have them, you have Denver, who really looks like Smoke and Mares personified.

Speaker 1 Miami, who actually got a good game from Tua today. We'll talk about that later.
And then Indianapolis, who ran for 335 yards today against a terrible Tennessee team.

Speaker 1 But if you catch them in the right 20 minutes, they look pretty good. Yeah.
And I don't know. One of those teams is going to be the seventh seed.

Speaker 1 And I, who, who, who would you be the most afraid of out of those four?

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 so if you're, let's say, who's the two, would we say? Buffalo? I think two is going to be Buffalo. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you're hoping Miami. I'm not going to be able to do it for myself, but maybe Cincinnati, but I

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah, Miami wouldn't scare me if I'm Buffalo going there. Colts wouldn't.
Wouldn't scare you. No.
No, they can't. Two, I don't know.
Are they going to have a bomby day in January?

Speaker 1 I don't see it.

Speaker 1 If I'm Buffalo, I'd love it, but they're going to kill everybody.

Speaker 1 What do you think?

Speaker 1 Who would you be most friends? Miami, I'd be fired up about because cold weather, they have no chance.

Speaker 1 Indianapolis, Richardson, in a playoff road game, no chance.

Speaker 1 Denver, Bo Nicks, I don't see it.

Speaker 1 Sorry. I know you love Bo Nicks, but that's fine.
That team teams like that. That team has like a good hour in them and they kind of need the lead and then they kind of hold on.

Speaker 1 Their offense, Bo Nicks, I do like them.

Speaker 1 Pretty much the same as last year, if you look at the numbers. It's a defense.
It's allowed seven fewer points a game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and bonito turned into one of the best guys in the afc yeah i would be the most scared of cincinnati not i i know it sounds like i'm contradicting what i said before but i think the team that beats buffalo in the playoffs is just going to be the classic we outscored them we won 42 to 40 we won 38 to 35 like you're not stopping buffalo anyway so weirdly the bengals not having a defense i don't know if that matters because whenever buffalo wants to move the ball downfield they do what's interesting about them cooper again didn't do anything today.

Speaker 1 He's one catch for 10 yards. Yeah.
And that was their big trade deadline move. It makes me wonder, like, should anyone trade for a receiver during the season?

Speaker 1 Like, the Adams is doing well for the Jets because Rodgers is throwing to him 28 times a game trying to get him going. But meanwhile, they scored nine points.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's going to be with, yeah, you're right with Buffalo.

Speaker 1 But I think with Cincinnati, even if they do out slug Buffalo, there'll be a time to just bet against them, right? This team doesn't win two, three games in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 It is not built like that at all. No, but they could win one.
And I think if you look back at the season they just had, so what's their record? Are they are they 500 yet?

Speaker 1 They are there seven and eight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But they had how many dumb losses? KC, 26 to 25. Washington, 38 to 31.
That was stupid. Baltimore, 41-38.
That was dumb. They lost that other Baltimore game, 35-34.

Speaker 1 They lost that stupid Chargers game, 34-27.

Speaker 1 And then they lost that Steelers game when they put up 38 points. Like, they've kind of been around some of these losses.
But I do think, I think they could play like a 38-35 type game.

Speaker 1 And maybe Burrow is just awesome. So that's who I wouldn't want to play if I was Buffalo.
Yeah, I mean, I have superstars, Chase Brown, Higgins, and Jamar Chase. But yeah, it is interesting.

Speaker 1 They're almost exactly the opposite of the Chiefs, who have somehow made a deal with all the players and the organization. We're not going to break 31 points this year.

Speaker 1 We're going to repeat, but never score 31. And here's Cincinnati scoring 31, like, you know, three out of every four games and can't get wins like, you know, less than 500.
Yeah, even, even

Speaker 1 in the Casey game this week, it was like, God forbid, they took a 10-point lead. Right.
The other team always has to be within one possession with 10 minutes left for some reason.

Speaker 1 I will say, though, with Casey, and it's a little like Usik watching him. just kind of figure out how to win the last few rounds.

Speaker 1 You just feel like when you're in the fourth quarter the chiefs you just feel like they're going to figure it out somehow yeah

Speaker 1 and it doesn't really make sense as you're watching it they don't seem really better than any team they're playing you know you're not like whoa

Speaker 1 look at those guys it just always feels like they're just going to make two plays and steal it but if i was the rest of the league i'd be dying to play them I don't know.

Speaker 1 I would just feel like we can beat these guys. Watch this tape.
We can take these guys.

Speaker 1 I just think it's all bullshit. I really do.
They're good.

Speaker 1 They know you're like you said, they know how to be there at the end, and yet they don't have a go-to guy other than Mahomes offensively, right? It's like, oh, Noah Gray. Oh, all right.

Speaker 1 He's their guy. Oh, Kelsey can only catch a three-yard pass and spin for five, you know.
Yeah. But I don't know.
And also, just the, can we stop with the high ankle sprain garbage?

Speaker 1 Like, that's, don't call it that anymore. That's not what it is.
If he's not wearing a boot on Wednesday, it's not call tooth decay. That's closer to what he has than a high ankle sprain.

Speaker 1 If he's running around, he's a full participant in practice on Tuesday. Give me a break.
It was like an ankle tweak

Speaker 1 that they tried to sell, like it was this

Speaker 1 terrible thing. Yeah, when you run off your curb to get the mail or something, that's what it is.

Speaker 1 So Denver has Cincinnati and Casey left. Chargers have the Pats in Las Vegas.
So that's they're winning with that.

Speaker 1 Miami, Cleveland, and the Jets.

Speaker 1 Colts,

Speaker 1 Giants, who are awful. They are the worst team in in the league.
They just suck. They're so bad.

Speaker 1 I was having fun in the first quarter of that game thinking,

Speaker 1 oh,

Speaker 1 they took the lead seven-nothing. It's like, okay,

Speaker 1 just don't make any mistakes, Drew Lock. He said, now I'm going to throw some pick sixes.
I'm not even going to throw one pick six. I'm going to throw two.

Speaker 1 I'm going to throw one at Judon. Yeah, right.
Right. He got it.
He knew what he was doing. So they play the Giants and the Jaguars.
The Jaguars are pretty terrible, too.

Speaker 1 So I don't think Cincy's going to make it. Between Miami and Indianapolis, I think one of those teams are going to win.
Yeah, it's only two more games now for each of them. So it's doable.

Speaker 1 Special season for the Cleveland quarterbacks. I added up the touchdowns and interceptions.
What do you think? Who was the best? Was Jameis the best?

Speaker 1 Probably the

Speaker 1 probably the most productive pathways.

Speaker 1 What do you think for TDs and interceptions?

Speaker 1 T D's

Speaker 1 all the guys combined

Speaker 1 1121.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was pretty negative. 18 touchdowns somehow, 20,

Speaker 1 20 picks. 18 touchdowns at that point.
Well, Jameis had like 13 in six weeks. Yeah, that's true.
He went crazy in that one Monday night game, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What would you guess for Thompson Robinson's career? Touchdowns and picks. i know he's on amongst the lowest ever for qbrs so um

Speaker 1 614 i don't know

Speaker 1 nine picks one touchdown is that what it is yeah

Speaker 1 we probably should have talked about that on the ringer sunday pregame it's like hey one of these two teams has a guy who has one touchdown and seven picks Yeah, now he's got one for nine.

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Speaker 1 I have a segment we're going to call Murder Watch.

Speaker 1 Oh, good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 First up, the Raiders murder their top two pick. The Raiders are locked into it's a two-quarterback draft.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about Cam Ward? What's your take? I like him better than Shador Sanders. I still don't, you know, my problem is I've bet all these guys and lost a lot of money on them.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I've cursed Shador Sanders for hanging around the pocket too long and taking bad sacks, but I like his mechanics. I just feel like Cam Ward is more NFL ready right now.

Speaker 1 And I'm like I said last week, I'm not sure any team, because you get the Deion BS with it, right? I mean,

Speaker 1 you can't shed that that if you take Shador. So I don't know why.
So you're thinking Raider? I mean, who would be more fun? Well, the Raiders, right now, it's Giants one. They're taking a quarterback.

Speaker 1 Raiders were the second pick.

Speaker 1 They desperately need a quarterback, even though I guess I wouldn't say O'Connell was good, but he at least was, you know, it's like when my dad drives to my stepmom's house in Albany.

Speaker 1 It's like, he got there. You're proud of it.
It's like that. Yeah, it's like a compliment.

Speaker 1 Raiders go from two to six because they lose today. Pat's moving to two.

Speaker 1 So all my Pat's text threads, if we just hold on, Chargers next week, Buffalo week 18,

Speaker 1 that two spot. Just hold on.
Just hold on at three and 14.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 we're in the trade spot.

Speaker 1 Right? So what do you want? I mean, what do you even want? I mean, I don't know. Like, let's say the Raiders are six and they want to move up for Shadora Sanders at number two.

Speaker 1 It's at least number the six pick, next year's first, some other stuff

Speaker 1 uh tennessee is going to need a quarterback and the giants so three teams in the top seven need a quarterback there's only two and what i didn't want was the for the pats to be third so um

Speaker 1 so right now it's giants pats jaguars tennessee cleveland vegas

Speaker 1 carolina and the irony of this is mac jones helped us twice After completely murdering us last year, he wins a game to push them to three wins and push them behind us us and then loses today.

Speaker 1 The Raiders pushes them ahead of us.

Speaker 1 Is it irony or is he still on the payroll? Is he still on the payroll? Maybe he is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe it's one of those things. We didn't change the

Speaker 1 irony. Yeah.
Yeah, so the Raiders win their pick. You're going to get...
So what do you get? You want a big lineman to protect this guy, right? We need a lineman. That's what you have to do.

Speaker 1 Scouting left tackle footage, which is about as boring as it gets. It's not going to be sexy.
You're not going to, you don't want the wide receiver. You already said that, right?

Speaker 1 No, it's like, hey, let's take a long look at Kelvin Banks Jr. of Texas.
But anyway, I don't know. We'll see what that picks worth because once we get close to the draft,

Speaker 1 when people start getting excited about the quarterbacks, and then you start forgetting the bad stuff. And I don't know what, how it's going to play out.
All right. That's one murder.

Speaker 1 Miami murders the Niner season officially. Now, you could say it was on life support.

Speaker 1 They were awful.

Speaker 1 And I really don't know where I stand on the Brock Purdy contract extension now because I haven't like he had another

Speaker 1 couple terrible plays today.

Speaker 1 And I don't know once you start removing those weapons, Debo's not quite Debo anymore. There's no Ayuk anymore.
There's no McCaffrey.

Speaker 1 And he just looks like another guy that I'm watching who's good at scrambling and occasionally throws the ball up for grabs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's just no way to tell with him. You know, I mean, I guess we're getting a look now, like, right? Like, he was the guy that everybody, everyone needed to be there.

Speaker 1 Like you said, the conditions have to be ideal. Shanahan.
But you and I were both in on him. Like we were like, this guy's impressive.
You got his name?

Speaker 1 He flopped a thousand times on Birdie, I would say. But

Speaker 1 I still think he's worth it, man. I watch these 10 a.m.
games on the West Coast. I see eight or nine bad quarterbacks.
So what are we talking? 50, 55 million? I feel like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think you're going to get

Speaker 1 we could win 10 or 11. You don't think so? Do you think all these guys are going out? I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 I don't want to pay $50 million a year for somebody that's not. You're in the Tua situation.
Again, Tua was good today, but do you want to pay Tua $50 million a year?

Speaker 1 I think he might be worth it when you look at these other guys.

Speaker 1 You got to start. I don't know how you build a, how do you build a great team around him? Cause you need a better line.
Like Trent Williams has been out and all of a sudden he can't block anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's interesting.

Speaker 1 To me, the question would be, is there a Darnold every year now?

Speaker 1 And there won't be a Darnold this year because I think if Minnesota doesn't bring him back now, this is lunacy. But maybe that's the move is you trade for J.J.
McCarthy.

Speaker 1 You know, the Niners have like the 10th pick in the draft. Maybe they're just like, let's take that guy off your hands.
But what, I mean, that's a monster. That's a first-round pick.

Speaker 1 So you're going to trade. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. McCarthy went eighth last year and got hurt.
Right. I don't know what's happening this year.

Speaker 1 When you say there's an is there another Sam Donnell, this is kind of like a unicorn situation. This is what his seventh or eighth year.
We had Baker Mayfield the year before.

Speaker 1 Like there's not too many guys who need seven years to prove themselves, is there? Could be Zach Wilson next year.

Speaker 1 I guess. Could be Cooper Rush.

Speaker 1 Interesting. We're not going to be able to.
Can you take a first for Cooper Rush or no? I think we got to get two firsts and someone has to fix the roof. Yeah, I mean, you're probably right.

Speaker 1 History of the NFL says Donald's a complete anomaly. You can't count on getting lucky like that again.
And other teams have tried.

Speaker 1 But like Geno Smith on Seattle, they were able to patch that together. Yeah.
I think it happens a little more than people realize.

Speaker 1 But what I know know doesn't work is paying somebody 50 million who might not be worth it. I'd be really nervous about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the 49ers, the window might have closed with this, with this core group for sure. But, um, but it that still that offense does home when McCaffrey's there and Ayuk's there and everybody else.

Speaker 1 So they have to keep, man, it really is the Trent Williams thing, though, isn't it? That's the big piece. It's a little different without him.
Yep. Um,

Speaker 1 when we did our futures draft before the year

Speaker 1 and you tapped out, I won the Foga to Chow. I can't wait for next year now that we know it's like whoever taps out first loses.
What do you mean? I did. You tapped out.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Futures back and forth. You ran out.
I got it. You ran out of futures.
I'm going to win. I'm going to win.

Speaker 1 No, I'm definitely winning. I hit more.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Really?

Speaker 1 I had some. I had some great ones.
I had some plus 300s. I had some big ones.
We got to look at those. I want to see those.
That's no, I think I'm going to win. But

Speaker 1 one of the ones I took at the tail end after you tapped out was Niners under nine and a half wins and it was plus 260.

Speaker 1 so that i wish next year i'm i just want to print all these out what do you think niners under seven and a half wins would have been like plus 700 yeah that's nuts yeah i think we have to remember that for next year there's always going to be one or two teams that are like five wins worse than whatever the over-under is and with some crazy seven to one value try to guess in each conference what team it's going to be yeah what was mccaffrey's prognosis when we had done that?

Speaker 1 Like, he might miss one game?

Speaker 1 No, we were dubious. We thought he might be out for like the first month.

Speaker 1 We thought that, but did they, did they, I mean, we know better than everybody, but no, but what were they saying? They said, really, maybe a month, or they weren't saying anything. It was dodgy.

Speaker 1 It was dodgy enough that it affected our fantasy draft. Right, that's true.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to look at those numbers. I picked offensive rookie of the year winner.
I picked possibly the defensive

Speaker 1 player of the year. One of your best ones was you had Pat's worst record.

Speaker 1 Detroit best record was like 36 to 1. You're not going to hit it.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I hit a bunch of like Pat's Unders, NFC South.

Speaker 1 I did pretty well. We got to play.
It's going to be a good battle. We'll see.
There's a lot of ones left, but we did well in the over-unders too.

Speaker 1 That Miami Niners game.

Speaker 1 I don't know what happened to Tyreek.

Speaker 1 I don't know whether he got paid or he's, but it feels like he's not as, it feels like Johnny Smith's the most valuable offensive record they have now. Yeah.
But they really ran the ball today.

Speaker 1 And it was the first time they ran the ball in a while.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, they're playing this Niners team that felt like it was whatever, but it did make me think like, this is kind of the Miami team we thought they were going to be before the season, this like speedy team that could also like really pound you with this crazy run game.

Speaker 1 And it feels like they're figuring out a little bit. I thought they played really well in that game.

Speaker 1 How surprised were you to hear that Tua threw his 100th touchdown pass of his career?

Speaker 1 That makes sense. That's like 25 a year.
I don't know why it really threw me for a loop. I was like, this guy has 100.
That's exactly what I thought. He's at 25 for a year.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But they're sitting all that time.

Speaker 1 You've been really harsh on him. I thought he was good today.
And Tyreek dropped two touchdowns. They said

Speaker 1 he was all in on it. But yeah, I agree.
No, he was good. He pulls those in.
You know know who's good? Me for taking the over in that game. 14-2.
Let's talk about that. 14-2 with my wisest wagers.

Speaker 1 Just let me get this out. Just everybody, set your alarm if you're on the West Coast.
Watch the Ring of Pregame show on YouTube TV. On the West Coast, it's 8.04 in the morning.
You catch my bet.

Speaker 1 You plug it into Fandel and you go to sleep until 1 or 4. You'll wake up a winner.

Speaker 1 You're on a heater because the one today was super lucky. It really was.
You were going to lose. You were under.

Speaker 1 A-chan is up five

Speaker 1 with like less than two minutes left, running for a first down.

Speaker 1 Most guys in the league fall down on the five-yard line and hate

Speaker 1 fuck it. America needs fantasy points and they over.
And he just runs right in for the touchdown. Big-ass smile on the face.
You must have been going nuts. I was like, this is this is insane.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't think I'm ever going to lose again.

Speaker 1 I had it.

Speaker 1 I mailed you guys my 13-pointer today. We I've been on.
The Bills, Packers, Moneyline, the Bears, plus 20, which I somehow won. And then the other one was you're over.
So it's like over.

Speaker 1 I teased it down to 31. They almost had that in the third quarter.
You needed it to the fourth. Yep.
That was good. One other funny thing about that game.

Speaker 1 I think Shanahan is my number one coach where it's like they're down between four and seven points. And I feel like they have no chance.

Speaker 1 Remember that?

Speaker 1 I actually looked it up because I was like, I vaguely vaguely remember there was some weird Shanahan comeback thing. He was like over 37 before the playoff game in January

Speaker 1 against Green Bay was the first time they came back. But it was yet another one where it's like, eh, Shanahan, they're probably not come back.
All right, next murder.

Speaker 1 Carolina murdered Arizona's season. Yeah, they did.

Speaker 1 And Bryce, who we left for dead last week,

Speaker 1 outplayed Kyler Murray,

Speaker 1 who yet again,

Speaker 1 as a recurring theme with him both this season and for his career, just cannot stop having three absolutely horrible, abysmal, excruciating plays per game. He can't not do it.

Speaker 1 And he's been in the league, what, six years? I'm out. I was out already, but I'm like all the way out.
Doors closed, locked, done.

Speaker 1 It does seem like he's one of the quarterbacks who really should lobby for a three-quarter football game, right?

Speaker 1 Like you're not going to see the fourth quarter is too long for him to not make one or two crucial mistakes or maybe mulligans yeah he's like the guy in golf is like can i get a mulligan on that i just i just almost killed the force and to uh the left on the other hole all right take another shot and he at least has three mulligan passes that you don't get mulligans of football right and we used to imagine like when we were growing up if someone kicked no well no one kicked a 58 yard field goal But if someone kicked a 58-yard field goal, you were going to win that game, right?

Speaker 1 If it was that important. And he couldn't even do it.
It was like a punt return for a touchdown. He couldn't even do it, couldn't win this game in overtime.
Very strange.

Speaker 1 So, the guy who kicked the field goal, Chad Ryland,

Speaker 1 was on the Patriots last year and single-handedly lost those three games with terrible kicks. And is the reason we have Drake May?

Speaker 1 There's a couple of people I follow on Twitter that are Pat's people that they call him the tank master,

Speaker 1 the commander and tank chief, because it was like he just brought us home and he went to Arizona. Now he's just banging home 58 yarders like in bad condition.
Like it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 He makes everything. Yeah.
It's a big offensive player. So he hits that.

Speaker 1 And by the way, they got really screwed on a call in the end of that game where he was, Kyler scrambled out of bounds and they did that weird.

Speaker 1 This is another NFL call that they just have stopped being consistent on ever. Is the guy, if he, did he fall forward or not? He all of a sudden the refs like, no, no, no, keep it going.

Speaker 1 Even though he seemed like he, you know, was in control of his own out-of-bounds destiny. I haven't figured that out yet.

Speaker 1 And then the Panthers win an O.T. And the Panthers now have four wins.
This was my lock of the NFC. Five and a half wins under Panthers.
Oh, you're good. I feel like I'm going to get it.
Yeah, wait.

Speaker 1 How does it end up for them? I mean, my boys are. A little nervous.
They're just playing all the, they're playing the other teams in the, in the conference. Oh, right, right.
Or in the division.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're at Tampa. I mean, Tampa,

Speaker 1 talk about a murder. there's gonna be murders if they don't win that game

Speaker 1 yeah they played tampa

Speaker 1 they're on the road tampa and atlanta they're not gonna win

Speaker 1 those yeah they gotta start thinking about top five picks now am i good with the uh

Speaker 1 nfc south 25 wins what how many is it now they're they're out playing each other it's gonna be closer to 30 than i i'm a little worried That was a hard-time lock. Oh, there's 25 so far.
Oh, I see.

Speaker 1 I see what you're saying. Oh, man.
What are you going to have to hedge? You're going to have to hedge some dumb week 18 game. No.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Tampa's 8,

Speaker 1 16, 20. They have 25,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 it's like three where they're playing each other, where somebody wins. So that's like 27.
I think I'm going to get it. But I can't believe I'm sweating it out.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to win our NFC East one.

Speaker 1 Well, hold on. Yeah, so it's Buck Saints and

Speaker 1 Carolina, Atlanta. So you'll know before week 18.
That's week 18. I'm okay.
I'm going to to be there. You'll be good.
You'll be good.

Speaker 1 I'm furious that I'm sweating it out though.

Speaker 1 Next one. The Rams

Speaker 1 somehow remurdered the Jets season. It felt like this was like positive vibes with the Jets.
Enigma came out.

Speaker 1 They won last week. It's like, oh, Rogers, if you look at his stats, this is the

Speaker 1 best

Speaker 1 season a Jets QB has had in like 12 years, all that stuff. Nope.

Speaker 1 They sucked. And he sucked.
He was terrible. He was bad, right? Awful.
And you're right. The highlight will show the Devontae Adams touchdown, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But everything else, poor decisions in the pocket, can't get free. Slow.

Speaker 1 Just slow as shit. I mean,

Speaker 1 who was

Speaker 1 what are they talking about bringing him back or another team signing him? I just don't get it. I don't care.
Please, it has nothing to do with him personally.

Speaker 1 What would possibly catch your eye that you would sign this guy again?

Speaker 1 I can't think of a single thing.

Speaker 1 I will tell you, another person is not going to be back. Ulbrick.

Speaker 1 He's the 2024 Brandon Stanley Award winner.

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone has a worse sense of when to go for it, when to go for it on fourth down, when to pun. He just fucks it up every time.

Speaker 1 It's like, whatever is, whatever's going to work, he's like, I'll just do the opposite. Let me try that.
This guy will never be a head coach again. He's got brick in his name.

Speaker 1 The brick layer, we got to come up with something for him, but we have two weeks to do it.

Speaker 1 How about you'll never be a head coach again? Can we call him that? Is that a good nickname? Yeah, it's a little long. I don't know.
A little long on a license.

Speaker 1 I just feel like we should have appreciated Pit Boss Rich a little more when we had him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the whole concept of an interim coach with like real character coming in and just being like a substitute teacher. I don't know.

Speaker 1 There's a Garrett Wilson subplot with the Jets

Speaker 1 that you can really feel when you're watching them. I just don't think he's going to be on that team next year.
And I would love to get him on the Patriots. I'd take him right now.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think he's really good. And I think Rogers is just favoring Adams and or Lazard or whatever guy he has some history with over like Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 1 Garrett Wilson's going to go to another team and be awesome. He's got to be great in the right offense in the right scheme.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's the Patriots, but it's definitely definitely not the jets.

Speaker 1 Come to the Patriots. Play with Drake.
Remember how we were told you have to take Garrett Wilson no later than seventh in the first round and Brees Hall fourth.

Speaker 1 Forget it. Garrett Wilson murdered two of my fantasy teams.
Here's another murder.

Speaker 1 Gerard Mayo murdered analytics. I don't know if you caught this.

Speaker 1 So when the Pats punted from the New England 45 on fourth and sixth, 833 remaining in the fourth, down 10, punting to Josh Allen, the MVP of the league.

Speaker 1 A surrender index, according to the surrender Twitter, surrender index of 9.08.

Speaker 1 It ranked in the 95th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2024 season and the 91st percentile of all punts since 1999. Another chapter from Gerard Mayo's new book, Scared Football.

Speaker 1 I love

Speaker 1 that cowardly punts has to go on someone's resume. Like if that guy goes for another job, like, all right, let's see.
You go, your teammates, team seems to like you. Yeah, you did this.
All right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, cowardly punts.
Two cowardly punts in 2024.

Speaker 1 Can we get that down? Can we,

Speaker 1 can someone write a letter on your behalf explaining the cowardly punts?

Speaker 1 The announcers were praised in the past today because they rolled Drake May out a couple of times.

Speaker 1 They played with pace. They did a fake punt.
They were like, the Patriots aggressive. I'm like, we're 3-11.
Like, of course,

Speaker 1 what are we protecting? We suck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was sending you live odds for them. They were plus 142 when they're up by 10.
What was it? 14. Never.
Never, ever. Never, ever did I think we were winning that game.

Speaker 1 Because if I had been panicking about the draft pick, there would have been a moment in that game where I was like, holy shit, we're going to blow this and actually win. But it was the perfect game.

Speaker 1 Drake May he knows the program. Do just enough.
get everyone excited. He's going to have a couple dumb 21-year-old plays.
He has every game because he's 21 years old. But

Speaker 1 I love him. Let me ask you something.
I'm honest. I'm not.

Speaker 1 I do know. But what is the difference between him and Mac Jones the first

Speaker 1 12 weeks of Mac Jones?

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Oh my God.
After 10 weeks, he was saying they should redraft. Mac Jones would be one or two.
Stop.

Speaker 1 You did.

Speaker 1 Mac Jones was always like a game manager. This guy.
Oh my God. So Debundo sent me something.
NFL offensive success rate leader since week 10.

Speaker 1 Lions, Packers, Ravens, Bengals, Bills, Rams, Patriots.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, Drake Bay is good.
We have nobody. We have no receivers.
We can't block. We have a running back that has seven fumbles this year.
Never seen it.

Speaker 1 There hasn't been a seven fumble player since 2020. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, but you love Mac Jones.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, be careful.

Speaker 1 You did love Mac Jones. Took it.
of the book. I'll go further.
Yeah. My favorite Boston rookie of the 21st century.
What?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes. Really? Yeah.
I'm all in. I'm all in.
I am happy to be haunted with this clip forever. Drake May is a sure thing.

Speaker 1 All the past friends are nodding now. We've been watching him.
He's fucking incredible. Team sucks.
Wait a minute. Wasn't Mookie Betts a rookie for you? Yeah, I love Mookie Betts.

Speaker 1 I have him above Mookie Betts. Oh, my God.
And I loved Mookie Betts. Oh, man.
You are.

Speaker 1 It's so hard to get a quarterback it's like the the single hardest thing to do i know you could go i know decades without one i really thought after brady we'd have no chance to ever have one again and now we have this guy fell out of the sky it's amazing and i and the funniest thing is he might not even be the best quarterback in his class because daniels is also amazing

Speaker 1 but like if you gave caleb versus drake may that's like no contest I can't believe you.

Speaker 1 This is a little much. This is just a tiny bit much.
I don't feel like it is. Based on the Mac Jones.
I don't feel like it is.

Speaker 1 you did love you never you didn't call him game manager for after 10 weeks you loved him you thought he was number one or two in the league rookie if if harrison started to be like a lifeguard at the beach oh this is personal now yeah

Speaker 1 my harrison or james harrison yeah mine and he just swam out and saved somebody's life

Speaker 1 still wouldn't like him still he'd be like wow that was nice if he did it every week you'd be like damn this kid's a hell of a lifeguard

Speaker 1 week after week it's just like saving lives. He's fucking, I can't believe the shit he's doing.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Like, the first drive, the first drive today, he did five, six things that were like, I can't believe he didn't get sacked. I can't believe he got out of that.

Speaker 1 I can't believe he threaded the needle to Booty, who's covered by two guys. How did he get him on the ball? Like, he's like incredible.
But you're sucked in the second half.

Speaker 1 You could believe that he didn't win, right? Because he's done that 12 times. Well, not that much.
That you could believe. No, I'm super excited about Drake Mayne.

Speaker 1 You're not going to pour water on it. All right.
And I'd be excited for Harrison if he was a great lifeguard and just saving lives every week. I think both of those are

Speaker 1 over-exaggerated. 3-12.

Speaker 1 Have you been watching him? I have. He's shockingly good.
What the fuck? What, really? Yeah, I don't know. All right.
I got to look.

Speaker 1 Give somebody who's super talented the worst coaching, the worst play calling, the worst blocking, and the worst receivers, and then they're still going to get 28 first downs on the road against Buffalo.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, be careful because we've not seen it. I'm Trevor Lawrence.
We saw Mac Jones. Trevor Lawrence never did this as a rookie.
He was never this competent ever in his life.

Speaker 1 I can't believe you have to.

Speaker 1 Here's what's going to happen. Really? Here's what's going to happen.
Mark my words. The nerds.
This was a winnable game today. You could have.
We've had like seven winnable games because of him.

Speaker 1 We have no good players. We have him in Gonzalez.

Speaker 1 Here's what's going to happen this week. The nerds, when they do the EQ, all like the fancy stats, May is going to be amazing in these different stats, like the PFF, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, he's going to be great. You and the nerds.
You should watch the games with the nerds. Can we bring in Kyle for a second? Kyle, are you listening to this? Oh, this is

Speaker 1 Kyle. Tell Sal how good Drake May is because he doesn't seem to believe me.
He's really good, Sal. He's really good.
Oh, he is. Watch the first half of these games.

Speaker 1 You should just watch the first half. Oh, just the first half.
Okay. All right.

Speaker 1 He's really good. All right.
You turned me around.

Speaker 1 I didn't believe you. But Kyle.
Sal, just be on the right side of history with this. Drake May is a guy.
Really? It's a guy. He's a guy.

Speaker 1 this is happening how much are you going to pay for him in fantasy next year

Speaker 1 i'll say this he's going to be on all my fantasy teams going forward really yeah what a lunatic you are what are you

Speaker 1 doing this is great

Speaker 1 i'm so happy to have a quarterback again

Speaker 1 it's fine it's fine it's great i love tatum tatum first year i was like this guy's got it we got somebody this guy's like a special guy and i feel the same way about drake may felt the same way about raybork in in 1979 it's like this guy's rookie this guy's special you're missing mookie bets same thing mookie bets as a rookie it's like this guy has it yeah he and he did have it

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Speaker 1 The Saturday games.

Speaker 1 Baltimore handled Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Winnable game for Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Russ Wilson.

Speaker 1 Is it a Pickens thing, or is this always who Russ was? It doesn't help, but I was waiting for this kind of thing. I mean, it was the first bad hustle and bustle game we've seen in a while.

Speaker 1 He fumbled at the goal line, then he threw that bad pick at the end there. Two terrible plays.

Speaker 1 Honestly, the thing that makes them just like everyone else, if they're going to give up 220 rushing yards, I mean, I know it's Derrick Henry, but

Speaker 1 that defense can't take weeks off, that's for sure. Otherwise, you're going to look at 34-17 every week.
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 I just feel like with Pickens, I'm not willing to make a definitive anything on them until Pickens is back. I want to see what that looks like.
Wednesday. Yep.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh has to win out of the five-seed. The other team is Houston, who I thought

Speaker 1 was on pace to maybe win that KC game. That tank Dell injury was one of the worst injuries in a while.
It seemed like it sucked the life out of the game. It sucked the life out of them.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, they only had one receiver. But it felt like they had a real chance to win that game.
And I like the way their defense was playing.

Speaker 1 After that, it was like, they're not going to win this. You know what? I think they're mid-carters.

Speaker 1 Maybe a WWE comp from the 80s, like David Bruno Santana. Tito Santana? Tito Santana.
All right. Yeah.
On his way down, I would say. Santana.
Cowboy Bob Orton, somewhere in there. Because

Speaker 1 that's perfect

Speaker 1 right there. But yeah, that injury was awful.
Got Venus?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Vita Vey? I don't know. No, but they, and that was an awful injury.
It was gross. It was a lot of emotion.

Speaker 1 And then the sadness turned to outright hate when Fairbarn missed that extra point, which basically

Speaker 1 for a half hour. Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 1 So we had those two games. We had terrible college football games.

Speaker 1 But we had the fight, it was awesome. Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
And both of us had a lot of money. I knew sick.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 after round five, I was super worried because it felt like, it felt like Fury had put on so much weight. It just felt like he was too big.

Speaker 1 And it felt like he had somehow stayed in enough shape to battle Usik. And it felt like Usik could not figure it out.
And then, of course, he figured it out.

Speaker 1 When Fury came out with those trunks and they were so high, they were like just right under the nipples. And you're like, oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 he's hiding that gut. But he kept coming at him.
I mean, I hadn't seen heavyweights like that where, you know, usually you're going to get clenches for half the round.

Speaker 1 You didn't get, you got like one or two per round. Like those guys were just thrown at each other.
Yeah. And Fiji was determined not to be leaned on, be trapped against the ropes.

Speaker 1 He was always trying to stay in the middle, moving around. Could we see it again?

Speaker 1 I know he's beaten it twice, but I don't, you know, it's weird because neither guy was rocked to a point where, oh man, he's really in trouble in either fight, I don't think.

Speaker 1 But I'd love to see it again. Like, why not? Just keep fighting.

Speaker 1 It was great. would like, I would watch Usick fight anybody.
I really love how he kind of changes his style depending on who he's going against. He'll go back and forth between South Pond regularly.

Speaker 1 He's just, he's always up to shit. But what about Drake May? Would you want him to fight Drake May? I think Drake May would beat him.

Speaker 1 I think you believe that, too.

Speaker 1 Kyle, come on. Come on.
Drake May has a little brother. He's got beaten up by his brothers for his entire childhood.
Does Drake May beat Usick in a fight? Kyle?

Speaker 1 I love Drake May.

Speaker 1 I am happy to die in this hill.

Speaker 1 Good. I am happy.

Speaker 1 We have your best funeral. So far, remember when Dak was good those first couple games with Dallas, and you were like, Nope.
You were like, fuck, Dak might actually be good.

Speaker 1 And you kind of just slowly realized, oh, we have a guy. Yeah, but it was an angry guy.
It was such a Romo guy there. And he won when he beat Pittsburgh.
That was, that was the

Speaker 1 Angelina Aniston thing. Yeah, my hormones were just way out of whack that season.

Speaker 1 Couple random observations for you.

Speaker 1 Brian Thomas Jr.

Speaker 1 Yeah, really good.

Speaker 1 I think he's the best rookie receiver.

Speaker 1 The stuff he's doing in these games with the quarterbacks he's had and the amount of times he's been overthrown and all the different things they ask him to do, he's just terrifying. I feel like he's

Speaker 1 like a top seven receiver now, right? If we're doing fantasy again right now,

Speaker 1 I think he's one of the first seven. He's stuck on a bad team, I think, right now.
But I was looking at his comps against Malik Neighbors this year.

Speaker 1 Neighbors, Neighbors has been out a bunch, but still has more catches and not nearly as many yards or touchdowns or anything else. And the guy just knows how to get open.
I was looking at these odds.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter. Jaden Daniels is going to win, but

Speaker 1 I think it's a handful of guys who are second. You could put Bowers, you could put Bucky Irving, you could put Brian Thomas Jr.
right in there, I think, for second. Thomas Jr.

Speaker 1 has to have the degree of difficulty of how bad his quarterbacks have been. Right.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, I'd love to see a montage of how many times he's been wide open and somebody threw it over his head, but it's at least four times that I can remember watching.

Speaker 1 But he went 23rd, so

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 And Adunze went over him.

Speaker 1 Neighbors went over him. Marvin Harrison went over him.
And there was three teams that needed a receiver. And then he dropped and he dropped.

Speaker 1 And if you go look at the little pocket of players, all the players are good, like Jared Verse, he goes on through. Um, but I was like, God damn, I wish the Pats had traded up for him or somebody.

Speaker 1 Like, imagine if KC had traded up for him. He was right in that zone where it would have been pretty easy to move up like five, six spots and grab him.

Speaker 1 But yeah, he just seems like he's a home run pick for them. So it's hard.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say it's harder to pick than a quarterback, but some of these guys are in such like spread weird offenses in college.

Speaker 1 It's tough to see which is going to translate, even with pro days and timing and everything else. But yeah, he was a steal.
I will say Van Lathan, LSE fan, who

Speaker 1 watched him there, was adamant that he was going to be awesome. Loved him.

Speaker 1 He was like, I don't understand why he's the fourth guy and why, like, how did they decide that he was just the fourth best guy out of all these guys? The guy was incredible in college. Right.

Speaker 1 Jared got 33 touchdowns this year. Wanted to mention that.
Touchdown passes.

Speaker 1 Outside chance for 40.

Speaker 1 What wasn't

Speaker 1 Donald at 32? Is it 33 to 32? I mean, that could be a good week 18. That'll be fun.
I was just thinking, like, that's one of the great random trades of this century.

Speaker 1 That Stafford Goff trade, how it rejuvenated the line.

Speaker 1 I know people have talked about it a million times, but Goff just being miles, leaps, and bounds better than you ever could have expected if you're the Lions and you're getting him.

Speaker 1 And then Stafford wins the Super Bowl. But

Speaker 1 imagine me telling you three years ago, Goff is going to be the quarterback on a team that's 13 and two, and he's going to have 33 touchdown passes with two weeks to go. You'd have been like, what?

Speaker 1 I would. Well, you told me the same thing about Mac Jones, and I didn't believe you.
Yeah, no, you're right.

Speaker 1 No, he's, if anything else, we could stop the Goff and cold weather, can't get it done thing. He's now done it in Green Bay.
He's done it in Chicago.

Speaker 1 This was an easy trap game, as bad as Chicago has been. And they

Speaker 1 butchered him.

Speaker 1 I wrote down Caleb has replaced Kyler as the new king of garbage time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 Down 20. The fucking lights it up.
Look out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Here comes Caleb.

Speaker 1 I want him to break the record. Nobody's sacking him enough anymore.
It's going to be David Carr's record still.

Speaker 1 He has like 60. He needs 70.
Now, David Carr is going to be popping the champagne yet another year.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 he has a franchise record. He has a franchise record for Saks.
Like, if they told the Bears, like, hey, this quarterback is Caleb Williams, he's going to set a franchise record this year.

Speaker 1 You'd be like, oh, this is great. Really? What do I

Speaker 1 think? Terrific.

Speaker 1 Hundreds of years.

Speaker 1 Pennix

Speaker 1 looked fine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's okay.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 he can move, unlike Kirk Cousins. He was, what 18 for 27, 202.
I bet maybe you think this is a dumb bet anyway. I bet no interceptions because I thought they were going to put kid gloves on him.

Speaker 1 It was going to be a lot of Bijan. It's going to be a lot of screen passes.
And that

Speaker 1 Kyle Pitts

Speaker 1 is the worst player in NFL history. And it doesn't even count as a fumble because he catches the ball and bats it right to the defender.
He even drops the ones he catches, like not called fumbles.

Speaker 1 Drafted fourth overall. That's a bad pick.

Speaker 1 That's the worst.

Speaker 1 I would have been more outraged about that, but the the Patriots have done that to Drake May like four times this year, where they've caught the ball and then just whipped it to the other team.

Speaker 1 That should have a name when a guy does that. It shouldn't count as an interception for the quarterback.
It should be like a team interception or something. It's not good.
It's the Pitts for sure.

Speaker 1 That said, Falcons defense was the ad drop of the decade. Anyone who had the Falcons defense picked them up Thursday, Friday.
Good job by you. You won your fantasy week.

Speaker 1 Last thing I had before guessed the Lions:

Speaker 1 Ricky Henderson.

Speaker 1 Great met.

Speaker 1 Kind of ahead of his time.

Speaker 1 Would have been really great with the internet.

Speaker 1 Like social media, he would have been a whole other level of famous, notorious,

Speaker 1 everything.

Speaker 1 I remember doing the unintentional comedy rating, like doing that whole, like he was. One of the unintentionally funniest athletes we've ever had.
He was also great to watch.

Speaker 1 There was nobody like him.

Speaker 1 He was way ahead of his time with the on base, steals, power, like all the stuff like we knew in the 21st century mattered, but we didn't really know in the previous century.

Speaker 1 And in person

Speaker 1 was one of like the seven or eight most memorable baseball players I ever went to see in person, right? Isn't the same for you? Terrific.

Speaker 1 One of the most entertaining, obviously the fastest you've seen, head first sliding, just taking the base off, just holding the base over his head. We just don't see it anymore.

Speaker 1 I mean, because no one's breaking the records like he does. But yeah, I think you're right about the social media.
He would be just what Major League Baseball needed.

Speaker 1 Like for Mike Trout, you can't get any good sound bites at all. Ricky Henderson would be all over.
He would be basically Yogi Berra

Speaker 1 from 2000, right? And before. The third person stuff was so fucking funny with him.
Oh, yeah. Like he, other people have done it.
He did it the best.

Speaker 1 I remember I went to Yankee Stadium once with a couple of my high school friends, and we sat in the left left field bleachers. He was playing left field.
It was like late 80s.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he'd run out every inning

Speaker 1 and our whole section was just screaming, Ricky!

Speaker 1 Ricky! Trying to get him to turn around.

Speaker 1 And he came at every inning for like five, six innings, and he wouldn't turn around. And we're just, yeah, we're drinking.
We're like, Ricky,

Speaker 1 come on, Ricky, one time, Ricky. He's just stonewalling us.
Nothing. And then, then, like the sixth inning, we're like, Ricky, Ricky.

Speaker 1 and then finally he turned around huge smile on his face and tipped his hat but we had been doing it for like two hours we were like what was the tipping point for him was it like we couldn't have done that in the third inning but it was just we just it was so much fun to just watch him like walk around interact with people yeah well there was nobody like him his hearing was very bad so maybe he didn't need just to notice it no he was hearing aided he was so much fun what a bummer i felt like he was on a lot of teams too like he was in the red socks he was you do him back to the ground.

Speaker 1 He was on the Mets and Yankees. You know,

Speaker 1 back to the grid with him all over the place. Yeah.
Yeah. We had a fun year with him just watching him.
I mean, he was an older version of himself, but all right, guess the lions.

Speaker 1 What's the score? Let's do it. You're up 8-7-1 heading into week 17.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 8-7-1. So, I don't know if you know this, but there's Christmas Day games this year.

Speaker 1 Are they really? Yeah. Well, what? I mean, CBS,

Speaker 1 Netflix. Netflix.

Speaker 1 The one where you mail in, you mail in the DVDs and you get them back.

Speaker 1 How is that going to work?

Speaker 1 20 people doing the two games.

Speaker 1 Pretty much everybody. Oh, that's a lot.
Yeah, it's your nightlife.

Speaker 1 You hate that. Well, it seems like they're only going to have four or five people on the on the thing.
But

Speaker 1 nothing can be worse than Jack Collinsworth interviewing like Tony Dungy.

Speaker 1 What is that segment? Why doesn't Jack Collinsworth get to make points?

Speaker 1 He's like, Tony, what do you think about

Speaker 1 their defense?

Speaker 1 Well, are you just setting him up for questions? Like, it's weird if Tony Dungy just asks himself the question. So I guess that's how it has to be.
That would be amazing.

Speaker 1 You'll learn a lot from this guy, Jack. Just ask him anything.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys just play, that is the greatest game I've ever seen, Jack. Let's get a drink.
I can watch these two teams play it on March.

Speaker 1 Secondary.

Speaker 1 Christmas Day. Chiefs at Steelers.
So, spoiler alert, I have home underdogs for both games.

Speaker 1 Chiefs at Steelers. I have Chiefs by two and a half in Pittsburgh.
Here's where the cheating, the Netflix cheating audience.

Speaker 1 I had three. It is two and a half.
Exactly. Should be two and a half.

Speaker 1 Give me a Pickens back for this game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Super winnable game for the Steelers.

Speaker 1 This is is a good one.

Speaker 1 Which NBA game is this up against?

Speaker 1 You're not going to watch any NBA, are you?

Speaker 1 I might sneak a little. I don't know what the NBA is doing with the scheduling.
Three games today.

Speaker 1 It's like,

Speaker 1 God forbid they had a game going against Cincinnati and Dallas on Sunday night, a game that literally meant nothing. God forbid you had one game going against that.
They wouldn't do that. No.

Speaker 1 Didn't make sense.

Speaker 1 They're like intentionally shooting themselves in the foot.

Speaker 1 Your Celtics play at 2 o'clock

Speaker 1 on our time. So you should be good.

Speaker 1 It's a bored Celtics team.

Speaker 1 Just waiting to get to April now. The Celtics are anytime they're favored by 10 and up against anybody.
You got to be careful.

Speaker 1 Just don't know. Like that first Bulls game they played.

Speaker 1 I know in the first quarter, I'm like, oh, it's one of these games. Okay.

Speaker 1 I got it. Well, let me know because I'll live bet against them.
I know you won't, but no. Just send me a little text.
We'll split up. Tatum's been great.

Speaker 1 Next one is Ravens at Houston.

Speaker 1 No tank Dell.

Speaker 1 No Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 1 Nid Carter's Salvatory Balomo. Here we go.

Speaker 1 Salvatory Balomo.

Speaker 1 Estee Jones.

Speaker 1 Ivan Putski.

Speaker 1 He's perfect, actually. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have the Ravens by two and a half. All right, that's exactly what I had.
It is three and a half.

Speaker 1 It's tough one. I'd be surprised if Baltimore.
What's the bet?

Speaker 1 For Wednesday?

Speaker 1 Celtics? No.

Speaker 1 Man, I kind of like both favorites. I kind of do.

Speaker 1 I like the Steelers and the Ts.

Speaker 1 Thursday.

Speaker 1 So we have two Wednesday games, and then somehow they're like, let's also have a Thursday game.

Speaker 1 Barely.

Speaker 1 Seahawks at the Bears.

Speaker 1 I have another Road favorite. I have Seahawks by two and a half.

Speaker 1 I changed this. I had three and a half.
I changed it to four and a half.

Speaker 1 We're going to split it. It is three and a half.
I went four and a half. Yep.

Speaker 1 Thank God they fired Matt Eberflus.

Speaker 1 Wow. That fixed it.
That was freaking disaster. That fixed it.
It really is something. Sunday Marquis.

Speaker 1 This is a really good game. Vikings Packers in Minnesota.
It's one of the five best games of the year. Really good.

Speaker 1 I had the Vikings by two because I don't think, I think people, there's a shred of doubt, like, which even you have. It should be a three, but I'm going to say Vikings by two.
I had three and a half.

Speaker 1 And I still need some convincing that it shouldn't be. You're right.
It's one and a half. You get it.
What did you guess? I had three and a half.

Speaker 1 Oh, Jesus. I mean, why? What do you mean, Jesus? No, people like this Packers team.
I know. They have to be.
One and a half is like, that's an even field line now.

Speaker 1 That means if it was in Green Bay, it would be Green Bay by one. It shouldn't be.
It shouldn't be. Packers off a short week and Vikings.

Speaker 1 Don't get me wrong. I'm going to take the Packers after all this nonsense talk.

Speaker 1 People like the Packers. Wow.
So Steelers, Packers is a tease.

Speaker 1 I'm going to look at that one.

Speaker 1 Watchables. I got four, and it's mostly playoff-related.

Speaker 1 Chargers at the Pats, because the Chargers need it. I think

Speaker 1 it's a game to watch. It'll also be fun because Drake May is really good at football.
You'll enjoy watching him. Drake May is.
This is a Saturday game, Saturday morning, right, for us?

Speaker 1 Oh, you're right. It's a Saturday game.
It is three Saturday games. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, see, I didn't mark down my Saturday game.

Speaker 1 Screws you up, buddy.

Speaker 1 I win win the week. This is like you're not signing your golf card at the end.

Speaker 1 I win the week.

Speaker 1 Chargers, Pats.

Speaker 1 I have the Chargers by four in New England. All right, I get this.
I said six and a half, and it's five and a half.

Speaker 1 That's stupid. It's too high.
I like the Pats. No.
Have you seen their quarterback?

Speaker 1 The problem for the Pats in this game is they had the lad McConkey pick

Speaker 1 number 34 traded backwards three spots to 37

Speaker 1 to take Polk right and then with the fourth rounder they got they took Baker and McConkey on Thursday night had more yards in that game than those two guys have had the entire season Polk was good though shit yeah Polk lost his confidence yeah

Speaker 1 what happened

Speaker 1 uh next Saturday game is Bengals Broncos

Speaker 1 this is in Cincinnati and I think there's going to be a little

Speaker 1 irrational Bengals love that pushes this line over three to three and a half. Bengals by three and a half.
All right. Well, I was way irrational here.
I said five and a half. It's three.

Speaker 1 Nobody trusts Fandel does not trust the Bengals at all.

Speaker 1 This does feel like a game too, by the way, you know. Yeah.
Oh,

Speaker 1 I'm on it. Okay.
All right. I didn't realize that I actually did this correctly.

Speaker 1 Because because the third one i have i just wrote down watchables and i meant to write down saturday

Speaker 1 because the other one is rams cardinals which is also a pretty good game yeah although the cards have been eliminated it's in la

Speaker 1 and i'm going to say rams by four and a half

Speaker 1 it's rams uh i got this exactly it's five and a half oh

Speaker 1 notice i'm on with these picks i'm like very close every this is usually a good sign for my betting this is the cardinals beat them 41 10 in September.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was when the Rams were up banged up, though. Jeez.
Fairly watchables.

Speaker 1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 Home for the Carolina Panthers

Speaker 1 in a game that I think is almost guaranteed to be Joe House's underdog money line special on the ringer Sunday pregame. He shouldn't do it.
Lock it down. I have Bucks by eight.

Speaker 1 You're going to get this. I said nine and a half.
why is it nine and a half it's eight and a half oh i did get it

Speaker 1 teaser they played what two weeks ago three weeks ago i don't think i would tease tampa because of that i didn't love their defense that was another uh iffy game for them

Speaker 1 okay next fairly watchable dolphins at cleveland

Speaker 1 what does fairly mean anymore i gotta look up fairly Well, that's an important game for the Dolphins. The Browns are always a dumpster fire.
It's cold weather. Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 This game could go in a lot of directions. I have Dolphins by six and a half.

Speaker 1 I get this. I said six.
It is five and a half.

Speaker 1 Six to five. You're up.
That would be a nice little cold weather test for the Dolphins if it's cold. Yeah.
Right?

Speaker 1 Let's see there. Let's see what you guys have.
A quarterback bad enough that you could win where the temperature doesn't matter. It's interesting.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is there another quarterback that can play?

Speaker 1 Are they down the road with Thompson Robinson? Is there anybody else? They're talking about signing him for next year already.

Speaker 1 I was looking into this. Keeping him around.

Speaker 1 Eagles, Cowboys

Speaker 1 in Philly.

Speaker 1 And I would have said 10.5 before what I watched today.

Speaker 1 And now

Speaker 1 I'm going to say 9. Yeah, you're going to get it anyway.
I said 8.5.

Speaker 1 It is 10.5.

Speaker 1 You could have stuck with it. Yeah, Jesus.

Speaker 1 that's too high

Speaker 1 34 6 they beat us in the that's too high especially because i'm not convinced hurts playing it hurts plays next week are you

Speaker 1 well

Speaker 1 is it going to be a dependent um

Speaker 1 neurologist or an independent neurologist that tests this we shouldn't make jokes i don't know is this first all right is this his first concussion but the game doesn't 100 matters yeah i guess like why wouldn't they be take it easy with him and just play picket for a week right Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 They like beating the Cowboys. That's why.
But four poopfecta games: Bills, Giants, and Buffalo. I got Bills by 12 and a half.
Jets. Bills, Jets.
My bad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bills minus 12.5 against the Giants. Oh, no.
I had 10. It's 9.5.

Speaker 1 Too low.

Speaker 1 Let's take that.

Speaker 1 Let's figure something out with that.

Speaker 1 Feels like a three-team seven-pointer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Saints home for the Raiders. Awful game.

Speaker 1 I have the Saints by two and a half. Oh, jerk.
I had three. It is two and a half.

Speaker 1 Colts at the Giants.

Speaker 1 What's crazy is I don't think the Giants can be getting under a touchdown against anybody at this point who's half decent to somewhat crappy. No, they can't.

Speaker 1 No, go on. You should guess under.
Guess under a touchdown. I got Colts minus eight.
Shit. I said six.
It's seven and a half. You get it.

Speaker 1 I'm on this week, so damn. Hold on.
Let me count. Can I even? I'm on.
You're done. Seven, eight, nine, two, three, four, five, six.
You're right. Three.
I'm down three with three left.

Speaker 1 Jags home for the Titans.

Speaker 1 I got Jags minus one and a half. I think this is a neutral field line.
Man, I can't believe how much I'm losing by half a point here. I said two.
It is one and a half. I'm on it today.

Speaker 1 You really, it's like when the Patriots were cheating at their best, at the spy cams and everything, stealing signs, everything working fine. That's good.

Speaker 1 You say what you need to say to help yourself. That's what you got.
Thank you. I mean, we agreed that minus one and a half is the neutral field line, right? I know.
They shouldn't be.

Speaker 1 Are the Jacks one iota better than the Titans or vice versa? They both suck.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's a neutral field line. It was 10-6 a couple weeks ago.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Sunday night, Washington, home

Speaker 1 for the Falcons.

Speaker 1 It's a good game.

Speaker 1 Does it mean anything for the Washington? I know there's like a 3% chance that he'll make it or something, but that touchdown. Now, that really did kill me.
Does it mean anything? Let me see.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 No, they could still, I think. No, Seattle or Atlanta, like the

Speaker 1 Seattle, Atlanta combo could catch them, right?

Speaker 1 Well, you get like a three-way tie at 10 and 7. Yeah.
Maybe it's bad for me.

Speaker 1 If they they had clinched, we would have heard that they clinched. Right.
No, I know. I saw Courtnack.
Oh, and by the way, they're playing Atlanta, which is one of the teams that can touch them.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Washington minus three and a half is my guess. I get this.
I said four, it's four and a half. But I think that's a little high.

Speaker 1 That's too high.

Speaker 1 Atlanta has Kyle Pitts, though. They factored in the Kyle Pitts team interception.

Speaker 1 Last one, Monday night, a game that I guarantee they were thinking was going to be fucking awesome. Detroit at San Francisco.
This was like ESPN.

Speaker 1 It was probably one of their first draft picks when they draft what games they want to have for Monday night. See NFC Trade? Probably a top three

Speaker 1 game, right? Oh, yeah. Let's put that December

Speaker 1 after the Monday after Christmas, Lions Niners. That's going to be one of our best games.
We'll have an awesome man and cast. Well, the joke's on you because this game's going to suck.

Speaker 1 Lions minus six and a half is my guess. Wow.
I said five and a half. It is three and a half, Bill.
Oh, my lord. Wait, did I maybe six, eight, three?

Speaker 1 Yep, I won. No, now you won.
10, 8.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 3.5. What's the explanation for that? The Lions need the game.
They're trying to get the one seed.

Speaker 1 How does that make sense? Is this a get-right game for the Niners offense? If the Lions are that banged up, now have to travel.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm in an unbelievable hedge situation with the Lions one seed if they win that game

Speaker 1 because we both have

Speaker 1 a lot of one seed money. Yeah, yeah, we're like we had them at like six to one.

Speaker 1 They're gonna be home for Minnesota week 18, right? Yeah, sure. If they win, they get the one seed.
If they lose, they don't get the one seed.

Speaker 1 We'll be able to take the Minnesota money line and just walk away with a profit.

Speaker 1 And yet, we won't do it because we're going to have that heat moment where you do the Tom Seismore and you go, for me, the action is the juice. Let's ride the Lions.

Speaker 1 And all of a sudden, we're riding the Lions. That's how it's going to play out.
I like that movie a lot. And I like where you're coming from.
Should we bet the Vikings this week?

Speaker 1 Isn't that kind of the same thing?

Speaker 1 Well, the parlay would be they'd have to beat Green Bay and Detroit. Yeah, yeah, but if they lose this game.
But what the odds wouldn't be. Right.

Speaker 1 I don't think the odds are worth the how hard that's going to be to do that. All right, well, whatever time they have the odds, I'm going on Fandu now

Speaker 1 for the division, yeah, minus 290 for Detroit, plus 240 for the Vikings. I guess we could just do that.
You can't be the one seed and not win the division, right?

Speaker 1 You know, another interesting thing that happened with speaking of Fandu,

Speaker 1 did you see the MVP ads?

Speaker 1 I have not looked because Alan Allen wasn't awesome today. Yeah, it's down to minus 450.
Right. They're playing.

Speaker 1 Who did they say? Who'd we say they're playing this week? They're playing the Jets. And then week 18, Pats, he might not even play.
And then Lamar is playing on Christmas,

Speaker 1 trying to get the two-seed or three-seed. Lots of eyeballs there.
Yeah. So Lamar is plus 380 now for MVP.
He'll have to win the division, right? So he has to get lucky and have big games.

Speaker 1 I think if he's incredible on Christmas, it's in play. But Allen was 9-1 Thursday, and now he's minus 4.15.
Yeah. Well, he threw an interception.
God forbid.

Speaker 1 That's good. That's a good battle, I think.

Speaker 1 And then make the playoffs odds.

Speaker 1 They only have four.

Speaker 1 Cincinnati is 22-1 not to make the playoffs. Wait a minute.
That went up from this morning?

Speaker 1 If you bet them to make the playoffs, it's plus 1040. It was 680.
They have a worse shot now, I guess, because the Colts and Dolphins. You know what? Because of the Colts and Dolphins.

Speaker 1 Wow. Numbers are fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Colts are plus 390 and the Dolphins are plus 820. And Denver's minus 280.

Speaker 1 So the Colts need Denver to lose to Cincinnati, and then they need to win their last two, which you said were very easy, right? Who is it? The Raiders?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they're the Colts. I know.

Speaker 1 Richardson just loves to throw. They're playing the Giants, so they'll win next week.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But then they're home against the Jags. I guess that's pretty easy.

Speaker 1 And they're playing, those might be two of the three worst teams in the league. Yeah.
The Jags will try, though.

Speaker 1 So Indy.

Speaker 1 That's a fun one. Yes, plus 390.
Denver has

Speaker 1 Denver

Speaker 1 at Cincinnati, home KC.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why are they favored? I'm not, I go back and forth as to who that's going to matter for. Well, now it's going to matter for Denver, right?

Speaker 1 Is denver in if they win

Speaker 1 now yeah i think they have to win the last two they have to win both yeah so that yeah yep that makes sense

Speaker 1 interesting

Speaker 1 and then we have uh

Speaker 1 conference

Speaker 1 oh the one i think denver would only have to win one simmons because that that minus 280

Speaker 1 It wouldn't be minus 280 if they have to win both.

Speaker 1 Would it be?

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe they just have, or maybe they have to win one and then all the other variables if anyone loses anything. So they have one seed bets on FanDuel.
Detroit's minus 310. Minnesota's plus 310.

Speaker 1 Eagles are 17 to 1. They're not winning.

Speaker 1 So we could hedge right now with the Vikings plus 310.

Speaker 1 For me, the action is the juice. That's it, Billy Sizemore.

Speaker 1 I like it. We're staying put.

Speaker 1 It was the worst. What do you think, Raheem? The bank is worth the risk.

Speaker 1 Raheem's threatening to go in another cold funk, by the way. I'm worried about him.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 He lost a couple bets. He was all set up.
He's a text-through end. Yeah, it's all right.
He's in Vegas. He'll be fine.
He's in Vegas

Speaker 1 for like three and a half weeks.

Speaker 1 What could go wrong?

Speaker 1 We'll see him for round one in my house.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't know what kind of shape he's going to be in mentally, what kind of shape JJ is going to be in.
What if we get Dolphins in round one? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we should start rooting for the Dolphins now.

Speaker 1 That's what we need. Saruti says the Broncos only have to win one of the next two to get in.
You probably should have known. Minus 280, yeah.
But that's at Cincy home KC.

Speaker 1 Well, they're only a three-point underdog at Cincy, so they're right there. What do you got for Parent Corner? Parent Corner.
All right.

Speaker 1 So, I mean,

Speaker 1 thank you for checking up on me there Saturday. It did turn out my son did not have ringworm, so we did have to go to the tournament.

Speaker 1 I had to drive him to get weighed in because the team doesn't have buses at 7 a.m. Sat in my car.
I bet EPL like a lunatic. Tournament started at 9:30.
All these games going on.

Speaker 1 You know, it was supposed to be, luckily, the games weren't great, but you know, I still had to watch wrestling till like 2 p.m. So I'm in my car from 7.

Speaker 1 The fight was at like 1:30.

Speaker 1 It was like 2:30. I got home just in time for it.
Yeah. Okay.
So, but you and I were talking about this, and I feel like we should go further with it.

Speaker 1 This is, I think you said something like, we do these things, why, so that our kids don't abandon us later in life when we need them. Oh, you want to talk?

Speaker 1 This is, yeah, this is a depressing text thread we had. It was, but I think it's, I think we should make it official.
I don't know what we call this, but we should make agreements with our kids.

Speaker 1 It's layaway plans. Is it layaway? Yeah.

Speaker 1 When we get old and we're dying and they're taking care of us, if they give any if they complain at all we're like i was at that wrestling tournament for you when you're like 15 i wasted my whole saturday and it was a great sports day you're gonna you're gonna go get me a glass of water now i like it but i wonder if we present it like right away like right when they move out when they're 18 years old you have a list like a scroll of stuff i don't know if we call it a parental prenup or uh kinsurance maybe um

Speaker 1 but and you like you just show your kid kinsurance kinsurance that's what it is yeah you have to take care of me. Yeah.
It's like, hey, remember you got a D in geometry?

Speaker 1 And I found out and you told your mother you got a C. And, well, I never said anything.
So you have to shop for me when I'm old.

Speaker 1 And remember, I took you to wrestling tournaments in Orange County at 6 a.m. all throughout the fall.
And I had to watch Penn State.

Speaker 1 And I had thousands of dollars on a teaser, also for your benefit on my phone from the smelly bleachers. You're going to wipe me when I turn 80.
All right. And

Speaker 1 if I bail you out of juvenile detention, you're building a ramp in my house when I can't walk up the stairs.

Speaker 1 I think we should have to lay it out for these kids as we're, you know, it's not like, all right, plus you get money, whatever, if I pass on. But

Speaker 1 I think this needs to be an official thing. Consurance.
Consurance. So your dad, if he had played the consurance card a couple of years ago, is anything different?

Speaker 1 You spend more time with him on the weekends? I would never see him after he turned 50. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 You're like, I've lost your consurance papers. No,

Speaker 1 he's, he's like the Dallas Cowboys. Like, you know what? Why, why couldn't you be good early in the season, early in my life?

Speaker 1 Why are you turning it on now as a grandparent? No, I shouldn't say that. He's a great dude.

Speaker 1 Consurance. Why are you trying to finish nine and eight? What would you say to Ben?

Speaker 1 What would you present to Ben? I mean, I'm lying for Ben tonight.

Speaker 1 He's got girls over and he's like, don't tell mom. I'm like, all right, I won't tell her.
Oh, shit. I know I'm on a live YouTube.
I guess I said that. You go.
He's got to take you to the

Speaker 1 I'm going to invite people over while my dad's doing a podcast in a different room in the house.

Speaker 1 Perfect. Yeah, it's great.
In fact, we probably should wrap it up soon. Yeah, I'm going to cash in on my kinsurance.
I love it.

Speaker 1 So mine. So

Speaker 1 I think you just said yours. It's better than that.

Speaker 1 He's got girls over right now.

Speaker 1 My stepmom, who

Speaker 1 has been in my life since the mid-80s.

Speaker 1 And the whole time when when we met her, she was like a young, when my dad met her, she was a young doctor,

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 1 And, you know, doing like the crazy hours like you would see on the Gray's Anatomy and just like nuts. And then eventually like got better and better at a practice.

Speaker 1 She's been,

Speaker 1 you know, delivering babies, doing all kinds of stuff, OBJYN forever.

Speaker 1 And this is, this is end of the year. She's done retiring.
Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's it.
Great career. Nice.

Speaker 1 Saw a lot of female body parts.

Speaker 1 Delivered

Speaker 1 babies.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 somewhere. Had a lot of, and it's a weird thing because, like, like Zoe had a playoff game

Speaker 1 like a month ago, and the coach came over the other team before the game. And it was, and Molly was like, my stepmother was like, oh, I delivered her baby.

Speaker 1 And it's like, she just runs into these people who she's delivered babies and done these, you know, the most intimate kind of like doctor patient things. And it's like, oh, this is Jessica.

Speaker 1 I've delivered three of her kids. So anyway, she's wrapping it up.

Speaker 1 So I thought since this is a nice moment,

Speaker 1 I would tell a story about my stepmother, who I don't know if I've done much on Parent Corner, who doesn't like to be talked about at all and is probably mortified right now.

Speaker 1 When she, when I was going to college in Worcester, but then I was living in Boston, I would go hang out with my dad and we would watch sports.

Speaker 1 You know, we'd go watch like sell at the game, football game. I would just go over, we'd get dinner and she would always be on call.

Speaker 1 And part of the reason I would be over is like, oh, we'll watch sports. Molly's not going to be home.
Like she, she wouldn't want to watch.

Speaker 1 Her car would always, you would see like they had this driveway in front of where the TV was in the window.

Speaker 1 And there would be like a minute left and be like, tie game, we'll be back after this to see what happens with Larry Bird and the Celtics. And then the headlights would be in the driveway.

Speaker 1 And it would be like, oh, she's home.

Speaker 1 And then she would come in and we'd, and my dad would have to talk to her about her day as like the last minute of these games. And I used to think it was like the funniest thing ever.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 uncanny timing for showing up anytime there's a big moment.

Speaker 1 And I thought it was like a like a couple time coincidence thing, but it became something that happened all the time.

Speaker 1 And I was telling my buddy Gus about this, and he had the same thing with his wife where he'd be watching like a Mets game and she'd come home with the groceries. Oh my God, I got to tell you a story.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I think some people have this power and other people don't, where they show up at the perfectly wrong time of the game.

Speaker 1 So I was like, well, when I get married, that's never going to happen to me. And then I met my wife.
Same thing.

Speaker 1 Shows up, comes, comes home right there in these huge moments. Like, I, so I don't, do you think some people just have these powers? It's like a magnet.
Because my stepmother, I feel like invented it.

Speaker 1 I think 30, 40 years ago, it's more of a power. Now, you and I watch sports all the time.
So it's going to be. I wish they would even phase us because sports is on all the time.

Speaker 1 But also, our TV breaks into four bots. Like, there's always going to be something interesting that they're going to walk in on.
They can pause it. Right.

Speaker 1 What I want to know is maybe like a fox, she's been hanging out in the driveway listening to the Celtics game. Oh, waiting to fuck with.
Waiting. Oh, that's interesting.
She's a bigger Celtics.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be surprised. Than you are, it turns out.
She's actually roots harder than you.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be surprised. She's the greatest practical joker of all time.
I like that.

Speaker 1 Her favorite Celtic was Robert Parrish. Nice.
Still wears the Paris jersey or the KG jersey of the games.

Speaker 1 When my dad met her, she didn't know anything about sports, like nothing, didn't have a TV,

Speaker 1 and now has this whole Celtic sister. Anyway, that's great.
Dr. Molly Clark hanging it up.
End of the year. Great job by her.
Great job by you, Dr. Molly Clark.
She is

Speaker 1 a lot of deliveries, a lot of vaginas. She delivered 14 of Tiny Archibald's babies.

Speaker 1 Calvin Murphy.

Speaker 1 No idea.

Speaker 1 What do you got for the holidays? How many people? Well, we got a ring of pregame show next Sunday. I don't know if I mentioned I'm 14 and two with my wisest wager.
Against all the games.

Speaker 1 You didn't mention that. Oh, I didn't.
I didn't mention it now. 14 and freaking two.
That's pretty good. Christmas games we'll talk about on Against All Odds of the NBA picks.
We got a lot for you.

Speaker 1 There, and that's it. Just sticking around.
What do you got? How many people?

Speaker 1 How many people for Christmas? Like, how many people during those two Christmas games? How many people are you going to have to navigate? Nine.

Speaker 1 That's not bad. Nine.
Yeah. Not too bad.
You know what's interesting? The games are earlier. Yeah, right.
Because they wanted to get them on in like, you know, Europe.

Speaker 1 And so the first game's at 10 o'clock. It's like almost like Thanksgiving times.
And then the second one's at 1.30. There's no night game.

Speaker 1 I think Thanksgiving's a bigger pain in the ass to navigate because you have that hour. You actually have to sit at a table.

Speaker 1 Christmas, you know, you have the same kind of thing, but the opening gifts doesn't take forever anymore does it well we don't have little kids anymore well how long do you knock even even so it's with the little the little kids part though that's like in the morning you open you take the pictures and then at 10 o'clock you're like all right i'll see you guys later my homes is on it's tough yeah it's tough fun to pull off I need a wife who delivers babies or something so she can go and

Speaker 1 I'll let her know when to come in. A lot of babies.
Babies, they name babies after her. That's good.

Speaker 1 Like hundreds of mollies in the, in the New England area because everybody likes her. Amazing.
Yeah. Good job.
Hanging it up.

Speaker 1 Speaking of hanging up, we're hanging up the podcast. Thanks to Kyle and Sarudi and Gahal.

Speaker 1 Sal,

Speaker 1 I'm going to be back with the rewatchables on Monday, and then I'm not going to be back on this podcast till Thursday.

Speaker 1 What's your schedule going to be? Well, I don't care about your other podcast. No, against all odds, you'll hear it Tuesday morning.
We'll do it right after the Monday night game.

Speaker 1 And like I said, Ringer Pregame Show on Sunday. Check it out.
All right. Good job by you.
Happy holidays, Merry Christmas. Yeah.

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