True Super Bowl Contenders, RIP Niners, Savior Penix, and the End for Rodgers (But Not for Russ) with Cousin Sal

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Speaker 1 So I'm not sure we're going to have a rewatchables podcast this week. I know.
I know. We've had a pretty good streak.
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Thanksgiving week.

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I was fired up.

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Speaker 1 I'm also going to be in Denver with Rosillo this week. We are doing a live show.
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Speaker 1 I think we're going to the Nuggets game on Tuesday night as well to see Jokic

Speaker 1 in his own domain in Denver. So that's going to be super fun.

Speaker 1 Coming up on this podcast, Cousin Sal and I are going to break down everything that happened today and across the week. Always a strange three Thursday games, a Friday game, all the Sunday games.

Speaker 1 So, we're going to try to remember everything that happened, see where it stands and where it's headed. It's all next.
First our friends from Pro Jim.

Speaker 1 We are live on YouTube. We are live on the BS podcast.
Cousin Sal is here. It is 8.15 p.m.
Feels a little early for us on a Sunday night, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they did a nice job of just running and running and running the ball so that we can get out early and talk about the sloppy, sloppy game.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 Bill, forget Hallie Steinfeld. I'm going to marry Josh Allen right now.

Speaker 1 He threw a pass Eddie Carter for a TD by St. Play.

Speaker 1 I've never seen that.

Speaker 1 I don't care if my son Jack is freezing his balls off on the field.

Speaker 1 I'm going to marry that Josh Allen. You watch.
My son Jack is like Jack Torrance freezing to death in a chair.

Speaker 1 Yeah, snow. Second time in a week and a half for us.
It felt a little less special after Brown Steelers, but it was still really fun. Do you like it? You like the game?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's, I mean, after we watched football for 10 hours, it was fun to have a wrinkle of a game game that actually looked a little bit different.

Speaker 1 And the big thing was this McCaffrey, them playing him in those conditions. And we don't know.
We're taping this and we don't know how badly he got hurt, but he limped off and didn't look great.

Speaker 1 There were injury doctors.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there were injury doctors like studying, did his calf jiggle and all this stuff. But

Speaker 1 I don't know why they played him. It wasn't a game I thought they really had a lot of a chance to win.
Buffalo was like a touchdown favorite.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a game that necessarily made her break, made or broke their season because they have a bunch of stuff later.

Speaker 1 And it just felt like even watching it, I was surprised they didn't talk about it more in the lead up to the game and in the first quarter, right?

Speaker 1 Because he didn't seem healthy the last couple weeks. I think the problem with these games, well, first of all, with these snow games, it's like it's either going to be six to three, right?

Speaker 1 which is like kind of disappointing, or it's going to be like we just saw where everybody's sliding for nine yards.

Speaker 1 Like, dude, this is backyard football right now and so i think they put him in there because they know i mean who's better at like quick stepping through holes than mccaffrey if he's healthy to be the game if he's healthy yeah i mean he was looking good early on but yeah they got they got smoked i mean josh allen's just perfect for that one

Speaker 1 tough fantasy thing if you had him you're counting on him for a sunday night Tough for the Niners fans.

Speaker 1 The year from hell is officially happening, but I was thinking like playing McCaffrey in that that kind of weather, it would have been like at the, how many people did you have for Thanksgiving? 20.

Speaker 1 So if you said, hey, all the relatives over 70, let's all start doing shots.

Speaker 1 Somebody would have said, bad idea. Don't do that.
Yeah, but we did it anyway. You did it anyway.
It was Zapple Snyder. McCaffrey and the snow, same thing.

Speaker 1 I was trying to think: if Achilles is trending on Twitter, which it was today,

Speaker 1 would he have been the like minus 400 for Achilles

Speaker 1 trending on a Sunday? I would add him, a couple other suspects, like people who have already had Achilles injuries, like Rodgers, Kevin Durant, but I think he would have been the favorite.

Speaker 1 That's a really good,

Speaker 1 could we bet on that, something like that, like trending topics? Like if

Speaker 1 sucking the life out of a team was, all right, Aaron Rodgers, minus 3,500. Or is it, you know,

Speaker 1 Bryce Young? No, he was actually good today.

Speaker 1 Well, they just have the word. Sometimes it'll just be like Rodgers.
And you just know something bad happened. Yes.

Speaker 1 This one, Achilles,

Speaker 1 not great.

Speaker 1 My wife waited. My wife came in and watched some of the games.
She thought the weather was unfair.

Speaker 1 She thought it was an advantage for Buffalo, and she doesn't understand why they would want to have advantages in the games. And I was like, well, that's why we have the phrase home field advantage.

Speaker 1 She's like, but why wouldn't they build, it snows in Buffalo every year? She went to school in upstate New York. She's like, the weather's terrible.
Why wouldn't they have like a stadium with a roof?

Speaker 1 I was like, no, you don't get it.

Speaker 1 They actually want this. This is great for them.
Like, they have this team from Northern California coming in and playing in shitty conditions. It's what you want if you're a Bills fan, right?

Speaker 1 Absolutely. No doubt about it.
You went to college up there. I mean, you saw some of this.
The second place name is the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 We saw enough, you know, they weren't in Buffalo this week, but we know that strategically, that's, of course, how you do it. Yeah, I went up that lake effect snow is a real goddamn thing.

Speaker 1 But yeah, they'll have the advantage for as long as, I mean, they've never sucked in the snow, right? So that's all you need to know. No, it just feels like Allen, Snow, home, night game.

Speaker 1 I put Buffalo, I had them in a couple of teases. It just seemed like I'd be shocked if this didn't somehow work out for them.

Speaker 1 You, I'm starting to see from your demeanor, something bad might have happened today. No.
Are you sure? What do you mean? Did you see your fence go? Everything go okay? No, they were fine.

Speaker 1 I had a battle back. I mean, I know this is not the way to do it, but Ohio State just crushed me.

Speaker 1 I thought that I had a four-team money line parlay, but I'm thankful because had the Lions blown it like they should have, maybe, had the Chiefs blown it like they should have, I would have doubled and tripled up on a Ohio State money line parlay with something else.

Speaker 1 But no, I had my only loser was the Ravens, and I know we'll get to that, but that was such a bummer of a game. That was my only loser, too.
I did well today.

Speaker 1 Got a little luck. You know, I felt like some of the 50-50 games swung my way.
Really glad I didn't have any money in that Tampa game because that seemed like a nightmare, even though they covered.

Speaker 1 Buffalo going 10-2 now.

Speaker 1 They're still in the two-seed.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh now 9-3,

Speaker 1 2 up in the loss column over Baltimore. And yet the odds for that division are

Speaker 1 kind of weirdly close for

Speaker 1 where I thought that was going to be. Like the Steelers are only like, what, plus 125? And Baltimore is plus 125s.
Oh, yeah. No, no, no.
Pittsburgh's minus 155. Baltimore is plus 125.

Speaker 1 They play each other again, and they both have that weird Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Christmas game combo. And I don't think they know how to do the odds for that.

Speaker 1 No, I think you're right, but I looking, and you looked at the same games I do. I think the Steelers home for the Browns next week is the last time they're going to be favored, right?

Speaker 1 So that's why I think it's so tight. But I don't even know what with the Ravens.
Like, they'll say that because I want to talk Ravens.

Speaker 1 So Pittsburgh has Cleveland home, then at Philly at Baltimore on a Saturday underdog. Casey home Christmas and then home Cincinnati week 18.

Speaker 1 Baltimore is a buy. They have the Giants away, Pittsburgh home, Houston home on Christmas, Cleveland home.
So they finished with three in a row.

Speaker 1 The reason I bring this up in the context of Buffalo is because

Speaker 1 I really want that two-seed if I'm in the AFC.

Speaker 1 And Buffalo right now is the game advantage. And it feels like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, however this plays out, I don't think either of those teams catches Buffalo the way this is going.
Buffalo

Speaker 1 Pats three.

Speaker 1 You want the two seeds. I want the two seed.
I want to play Denver or whoever as a seventh seed in that first game. I don't, you know, I want a home game.

Speaker 1 I want the 2-3 in the second round potentially. And the two-seed sounds great if I'm Buffalo.
Absolutely. And we saw what Buffalo did to Pittsburgh at home last year, right?

Speaker 1 They canceled the game 14 times and then finally played it, and they won by two touchdowns. It would be similar to, maybe not similar to what we saw today.
But

Speaker 1 yeah, you definitely want home field if you're an outdoor team like that. Well, yeah, and especially this year with that seven seed.
But they're also a game behind KC,

Speaker 1 who, you know, that Black Friday game feels like it happened five, you know, five weeks ago, but KC just yet another pulling it out of their assholes game. They're somehow 11-1.

Speaker 1 Nobody feels good about it. This last one really feels like of all the

Speaker 1 Isaiah likely is a 10 on a scale one to 10 of I can't believe you won that game, the foot on the line. Right.
The Black Friday was probably like an eight. It was the Raiders.
It was Antonio Pierce.

Speaker 1 It was Aiden O'Connell. Like there were things I didn't love about it.

Speaker 1 If you're, if you're scared for, for them losing, but

Speaker 1 they somehow steal it. I have no idea how they're 11 and one.

Speaker 1 And I study, like, they were doing these stats about how it's like happened four times ever where a team has won this many games by seven points or less.

Speaker 1 Like, they're already like making history, and there's four weeks left. Yeah, their point differential should be about 330, plus 330, and I think it's plus 54.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I have a bigger statement to make. I think, Kyle, can you turn on the MySpace camera right now?

Speaker 1 I feel,

Speaker 1 did he turn it on? It's always hard to tell. The Chiefs will be the first great team whose legacy is affected by their impact on gambling.

Speaker 1 I feel like no one back in the day would care if the 70s Steelers or the 80s 49ers covered the spread, but it's a big deal now.

Speaker 1 And even though they won on Friday, games like that leave a bad taste in your mouth.

Speaker 1 And I feel like they're a great team, but they're not going to be remembered like your Patriots are, even if they get to that many Super Bowls. Like, damn it, I just couldn't win money off of them.

Speaker 1 I could never do it. I don't know why.
So many people bet on them. That's just how it is these days.

Speaker 1 It's a great point. I looked it up because in our picks poll that we have, I didn't bet, I would never bet on the Raiders.
That line was so high. It was 12 and a half.

Speaker 1 And I was like, man, it just doesn't seem like the Chiefs are reliable double figures over anybody. Like, what have they been like the last couple of years?

Speaker 1 You go back this year and last year, and it's just, they don't have a lot of blowout wins.

Speaker 1 It's not like the typical, like a game like today where Buffalo just beats hell out of somebody, but they have a way of hanging around and just figuring it out. We've been talking about it for

Speaker 1 months and months. It was somebody

Speaker 1 who texted. I'm blowing this with some friend.
Probably Hench. Just say Hanch.
I'm sure it was. No, because this is a wrestling thing.
He wouldn't have. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's the Chiefs that become a wrestling finish team. Oh.
Where it's like, like, remember Hogan in the mid-80s?

Speaker 1 And every Hogan match was the same for five years where. The guy would beat him up, beat him up, then he would hulk up and the guy would beat him up again.
Then he'd hulk up again.

Speaker 1 I'd be like, oh, he's, maybe this is the time he's not going to win. And then he'd suddenly flip it.
He'd do the leg drop and he'd win.

Speaker 1 That's kind of what the Chiefs have been doing for two years now. Interesting.

Speaker 1 See, I'd compare it to like a weird finish, like a roll-up from behind when the referee's not looking or when the manager distracts the guy. It's like, oh, like a Mr.

Speaker 1 Fuji salt in the face kind of finish. How did they pull that out? That's ridiculous.
The crowd was pumped. It was, it was heat.
Yeah. Something like that.
Yeah. Salt.
Yeah. Salt to the eyes.

Speaker 1 You've been doing a lot of me.

Speaker 1 You were up today. What were we doing our Sunday pregame?

Speaker 1 11 o'clock.

Speaker 1 You were on there. Yep.
I came on at 9 o'clock. I had like an hour, but you've been doing a lot of media today.
We have been doing really well in the pregame show.

Speaker 1 And John Dostremsky is just becoming the weak link. I don't know what we do.
Do we whack him?

Speaker 1 Do we do it like pesci style? Hey, JJ, you're getting made. You're in the ringer.
You're getting made. And he just walks in a room.
There's just plastic on the floor.

Speaker 1 He ruined everybody hit the same game touchdown bet today. Anytime touchdown, three for four.
No, JJ and Kenneth Walker. What do we do? Do we pull him for a week? Do we bench him?

Speaker 1 Do we bring in another host? What do we do? I'm going to laugh extra hard because you have no idea how seriously he's going to take this. I know.

Speaker 1 Yo, bro, was Kenneth serious? He's not going to have a great sense of humor about this. And I love him.
But yeah, I don't know. JJ, we're kidding.
I mean, Bill's not kidding, kidding, but I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 No, it is good. It's good to have, it's good to have a common barometer for the normal, normal betting as we ascend above with all of our great bets.
No, I feel like he'll turn around.

Speaker 1 In general, like I said it when I was on the show today, the gravitating toward the bad teams, especially this time of year, unless it's like a straight money line play like the Panthers.

Speaker 1 I just like House was saying, should we throw the Tennessee in the tees? It's like, I don't want to put Tennessee. I had never put them in the T's.
I don't trust Will Levis. That would be

Speaker 1 There's certain teams that are just like, I don't trust.

Speaker 1 I get it, but there is some value. Like, I had my best bet was your Patriots over 20 and a half.
Like, I don't want to sweat it if they won or something.

Speaker 1 I know, but for God's sakes, we should have had that in the second quarter, right? But the two touchdowns called back and missed field goals and everything else. So there's a little bit of value.

Speaker 1 It's scary because most of the time you're rooting for bad cornerbacks, but your quarterback is damn good.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you've set aside 20 minutes for this, but no, I didn't. We're not going to talk about it today.

Speaker 1 I will say I was happy that you were rooting for the pats to get to 20 points and got to see what we've seen all year with that pats team with the coaching and the strategy and like drake may every time we went back to pass was just a nine to 15 yard completion of somebody or he would just run for 40 yards and then they're like you know what we're just going to hand the ball off now for another 10 minutes right well he saw a soft zone And I'm sure he would love to see that every week, but and he got the ball out of his hand quickly, like two and a half seconds or less the whole time.

Speaker 1 But but i do want to ask you were you i know you root against him at this point because you want a better draft pick yeah 68 yard field goal would have been pretty cool it was moronic it was some 30 degrees outside what are the odds what are the odds he's going to make that it almost it almost he missed it by seven yards he did yeah

Speaker 1 i would rather do the hail mary 85 he like landed seven yards in front of the goalpost which means to actually clear it i must have nobody's making that there's not a kicker in the league that can make that saruti uh texted us during this that uh shanahan said mccaffrey has probably a season-ending pcl injury so it's a knee injury ah jesus tough one

Speaker 1 that's really the official year from hell for the uh niners and somehow they are not out of it one more uh bills niners topic is

Speaker 1 this now feels like allen's mvp to lose

Speaker 1 and i feel like we've used the mvp to lose dot dot dot with different players this year but now there's only

Speaker 1 five weeks left in the season he's He's going to be a one or a two seed, which is one of the, you know, one of the things that usually has it. And it just seems like

Speaker 1 the way Lamar played today and the Ravens played today, and they have five losses. He's got two.

Speaker 1 I don't know who's taking that from him. Goff's not going to get it.

Speaker 1 Well, here's what's interesting. The odds are out.
And I think you're right. Lamar kind of played himself out of it today.
Goff had that five-interception game. And even though he's been good since,

Speaker 1 he doesn't seem to be able to crawl back in. Mahomes is too far behind.
Barkley, this is going to be the narrative right now. He's plus 500.
He's second to Josh Allen, who's minus 230.

Speaker 1 You know, I know we talked about it last week, and I

Speaker 1 read some good pieces just in general about how MVP works. And then I forget who made the point.
And I was just like, shit, I wish I'd said this a week ago.

Speaker 1 I know Barkley's having a great year,

Speaker 1 but we can't say he's the MVP of the league.

Speaker 1 If you just removed him and put an average running back in the Eagles attack, I I still think they're a playoff team. If you removed Josh Allen

Speaker 1 and let's give them,

Speaker 1 I don't know who's like the 20th QB. Let's give them Tyrod Taylor.
Are they a 500 team?

Speaker 1 Probably not. No.
I think the Eagles would be a playoff team no matter who their running back was, as good as Barkley's been. So I think to me, it's more of an offensive player of the year.

Speaker 1 And I hate the MVP conversation where it's always like QB has to win, QB has to win. But

Speaker 1 we just have too much evidence how crazy valuable the QB is and everything Allen does week. I don't know how to do it.
He touches the ball every snap. He has more opportunity to screw up.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he has more opportunity to produce numbers too. But yeah, I think you're right.
But two things working against Barkley. He's a running back.
And two,

Speaker 1 he's part of a team that has the best, most effective play in all of sports, which is the tush push. And he's not a part of.
He's not a, yeah, he's not a factor in it. So what are you going to do?

Speaker 1 That said, if he breaks the record, maybe he should be considered, right? If he gets the 600 yards, whatever he needs, next four games. Kate, who's your craziest? I know this guy can't win the MVP,

Speaker 1 but he deserves, there should be some sort of separate award for what he's doing this year, guy, because mine.

Speaker 1 is Baker Mayfield, who is 200 to 1 to an MVP and just feels like week after week, you know, there was that month-long stretch when he just had no weapons.

Speaker 1 He didn't couldn't name a single receiver that he had. He had, you know, rookie running back.
Their line is like guys are hurt. Their left tackle's out.

Speaker 1 It just feels like he's running for his life every three plays, even today against Carolina. I have no idea how they won that game.

Speaker 1 But it feels like week to week, he's just dragging that team to whatever the potential of the team is, which isn't high. It's a good one.
And I feel like he should be higher than 200 to 1.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Great energy he brings.
Now, he got hurt for a minute and then came in and threw a bad interception, but he fought them back into the game.

Speaker 1 I would say if I have to pick someone from that, Joe Burrow, because he's losing games at just statistically, like if you look at Brady's numbers, when he put up those numbers versus Burrow, Brady was like, you know, 22-1 and Burrow was like 3-9 or something.

Speaker 1 So I don't know what's going on. No, that's not.
That's MVP.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Burrow's been saddled with the worst defense in either conference.

Speaker 1 Incredible. It's just over and over again.
It feels like they're down 17 points.

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Speaker 1 Next topic. I wanted to play some, I had some questions.
Speaking of the Ravens,

Speaker 1 same old Ravens or brand new Eagles, if you had to pick one, because

Speaker 1 something felt a little different about that Eagles game, especially defensively. That was the most excited I've been about their defense in two years.

Speaker 1 On the flip side, Ravens,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 9-0, miss a PAT,

Speaker 1 lose momentum for whatever reason, fall behind. And it's a team that sometimes when they're behind, I just feel like the game's over and they can't move the ball.

Speaker 1 And all of a sudden, it feels like they only have one receiver. Lamar is just running around.
And it's just, you just watch it going, I feel like I've seen this game and bet on it 20 times.

Speaker 1 And now I'm here again. So which one would you go? Same old Ravens or brand new Eagles? I don't want to give the Eagles any credit.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, I gave them enough just saying they have the most effective playing sports, but I'm going to say, I'm a cynic, I'm going to say

Speaker 1 same old Ravens, but for different reasons. Like, it doesn't make any sense.
Like, they got the best free agent of the offseason, right? Henry and Barkley are 1A and 1B.

Speaker 1 But, and now with, you know, with Henry, they could close out games, they have leads, and it's all negated because the greatest kicker of our generation thinks it's funny to bang every boot into the upright.

Speaker 1 Like, it doesn't really make any any sense, does it? How are they going to lose because of this kicker? Well, that was part of it, but I felt like he was getting an unfair.

Speaker 1 He cost like seven points. Yeah.
They couldn't cover A.J. Brown during like a huge swath of that game where it just felt like he was tearing them up.

Speaker 1 I don't know what they were doing offensively with some of the play calling.

Speaker 1 As usual, they only had one receiver. Aguilar had his typical, you know, huge drop at a really pivotal moment.
I just didn't think, I didn't think the whole team played well.

Speaker 1 And if T Fair had made all those points, I well, except

Speaker 1 they gave up 252 total yards. Because

Speaker 1 the offense had the ball a lot, but didn't seem to ever be really doing anything with it. Right.

Speaker 1 I know. I know.
But it felt like when they're up 9-0, 10-0, it felt like they were just going to

Speaker 1 be putting teams away, and they went the opposite way on them. Yeah.
Four-loss team, up 9-0 at home. Got the fans on their side.

Speaker 1 I still don't understand the kicking because it all led to everything else.

Speaker 1 Then they had to go for it on fourth and eight because he missed those field goals and gave the Eagles good field position, whatever.

Speaker 1 But that tush push is really like, do you know of anything else like in sports?

Speaker 1 Like if a bunt down the first baseline worked every single time, or if like a corner kick in soccer or like if you deflected a wrist shot in hockey that went in the went in the net every time.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't think that we've seen anything like it.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think. It's almost like kareem skyhook is the only thing i could think of yeah maybe and even that wasn't nearly as reliable they false start and fumble and still got it and score

Speaker 1 right get it it's over tucker cost him seven points it was his first three miss game ever yeah for the season though not as bad as i thought it just felt it feels like they're all loud misses he's 19 for 27 as a kicker it's like pretty pretty run-of-the-mill average like i don't think coup in atlanta is better than that i like that when you said a loud miss.

Speaker 1 Do you mean like literally loud? Like, I just say it feels like every miss really resonated. It wasn't just like, oh, it's a random miss.
They're up 16 in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 It's like every miss felt like it was this pivotal momentum swing in a game. But it's all missed two PATs.

Speaker 1 42 for 44 PATs. It's not like he's missed a million.
Right. But so he's missed 10 kicks total.
And yet I think I remember nine of them.

Speaker 1 You know, it's just been one of those seasons. So

Speaker 1 I didn't like how they played, though.

Speaker 1 I feel like if you're up, if you have that kind of lead at home

Speaker 1 against a team, Hurts finishes 11 for 19 for 118 yards, 9 for 29 rushing. You just told me those stats, I'd be like, oh, the Ravens won.

Speaker 1 The explosiveness, other than Zay Flowers or a Big Lamar scramble, just doesn't seem to be there unless Henry can bust through. But I really thought the Eagles' defense was excellent.

Speaker 1 And that their D-backs that they drafted, Jalen Carter, the fact that he fell to them going back two years ago when all those teams passed on him. They have Brandon Graham today.
They

Speaker 1 still looked like they didn't miss him. But I thought from what we saw,

Speaker 1 what are their NFC odds? Because we talked about this on the Sunday pregame today. Oh, shit.
So they were plus 750.

Speaker 1 I remember looking at that at Thanksgiving after Detroit, who I want to talk about in a second. And I was like, man, Detroit feels vulnerable.
I wonder who the, and it is like Philly.

Speaker 1 They weren't 750. No, they weren't.
Packers were plus 7.50. Oh, now they're 7-1.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Philly, I think, was plus 350.
Now they're plus 250. That's all.
That makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
So Philly's now plus 250.

Speaker 1 And only a game back still from Detroit. I know.
And you know what? I know everyone wants them. Well, they have to get the home field.

Speaker 1 I just think if that running game is working, they'll win anywhere. I hate to say it.

Speaker 1 In spite of this coach, it's really everything is working out perfectly for him.

Speaker 1 The coach, it seemed, I remember making a joke on Twitter in September about being ready to try to bring him in for the ringer, toast the ringer Philly special after he got fired.

Speaker 1 It seemed like it was going to be a wrap. I was talking,

Speaker 1 was it on the chain with you? We were talking about has a coach like this made a comeback like that before, like a guy who's yeah, I'm sure it's happened. Well, they've won eight straight,

Speaker 1 and now you look at their last five: Carolina home, Pittsburgh home, Washington on the road, Dallas home, Giants home.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh's probably the toughest of of those five, but they have a chance to be 13 in a row heading into the playoffs as a two-seed or a one-seed. Oh, yeah.
I was not expecting that in September.

Speaker 1 Yeah, their over-under is 13 and a half, and the over is minus 245. So they're going to have two or three losses.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Ravens had the ball for 34 minutes. They had 24 first downs.
They outgained the Eagles by 120 yards. Although a lot of those...

Speaker 1 That last drive, they had the cheap drive at the end where they went like 80 yards or whatever.

Speaker 1 And they have five losses somehow, the Ravens.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Would you keep them in your Super Bowl circle at this point?

Speaker 1 If I gave you seven teams, yeah, I think you have to because I think, you know, we talked ourselves into, first of all, we had that AFC division parlay with the Bills, the Ravens, the Texans, and the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 And it looks like the Ravens are going to be the tough one, even though, like you said, they're plus 125. But yeah, if they win that division, I'm pretty sure they could win on the road.

Speaker 1 Like, what would be their,

Speaker 1 if they went to Buffalo, you would, you would feel you could argue for them. If you're going to be a three-seed,

Speaker 1 like, you could also just be the five-seed and go in and beat the hell out of Houston in the 4-5 game. Right.
Right.

Speaker 1 And then hope a two-seed or a three-seed loses. If they don't, just go into KC in round two when they haven't played a meaningful game in like a month.
Yeah. Just try to one score or win.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 You know, that's what it's going to be. Well, the

Speaker 1 our guy, our friends at FanDuel still have them with the fifth best odds.

Speaker 1 Detroit plus 290.

Speaker 1 Buffalo 5-1. Casey plus

Speaker 1 550.

Speaker 1 Eagles plus 550. Ravens 10-1.
Packers, 14-1, I think, are the intriguing long shots. So that's it.
It's those six, right? With a month left, would you say it's those six?

Speaker 1 I would put the Steelers in there.

Speaker 1 I think the Steelers with the coaching and the defense and the field goal kicker who's been the best guy in the league this year. Right.

Speaker 1 And the fact that they always seem to make two or three big plays.

Speaker 1 There's always like a 40-yard play somewhere.

Speaker 1 I would have those seven

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 I can't really make a case for any other team. Nah, that's it.
Yeah. That's it, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like Chargers, you start looking at you like, eh,

Speaker 1 I don't think that's it. They were,

Speaker 1 they were not good today. I mean, you had the right side and everything, but I think I told you before.

Speaker 1 I think I told you that game's going to be 15-13 in the fourth quarter, but it was actually 17-13. Like it was a little more conventional, but the same kind of stuff out of them.

Speaker 1 Next topic. Next question.

Speaker 1 Speaking of the Steelers,

Speaker 1 what were the Russell Wilson comeback player of the year odds? Because I feel like he already has it wrapped. Who is even really?

Speaker 1 Well, who else would get it? Well, the odds are up. Burrow has been favored for the last month, and he's even odds.
And Kyla Murray just jumped ahead of Kirk Cousins now, plus 650.

Speaker 1 Why was Russell Wilson not come back player of the year? He was dead last year. Denver paid 50 million in their cap to not have him play anymore.

Speaker 1 And he didn't even start the season. And everybody thought Fields was going to be the starter.
This guy had 414 yards, three touchdowns. He threw a pick six because Pickens got interfered with.

Speaker 1 They didn't call it. That was a red flag.
Since he goes up 7-0, it's like that was P.I., you didn't call it. But

Speaker 1 I got to say, I thought he was done didn't seem like he wanted to get hit last year and he's kind of rejuvenated himself i mean he was he's not awesome i'm not saying he's rust from 10 years ago but for what whatever they were expecting from him versus what he's delivering it has to have surpassed it i i'm all confused now with this he he played the full boat last year right

Speaker 1 yeah he was terrible i mean he got benched for whoever i don't think you could career was over see there's a whole discrepancy here whether you could could win the award just because you sucked last year i think you have to come it has to be an injury injury or some weird circumstantial

Speaker 1 but they still have odds on them so if you asked 100 football fans what's been the most surprising comeback in 2024 russell wilson wins the vote yeah nobody was like oh you know who's gonna be awesome in pittsburgh russell wilson i have a good feeling about this guy i think he's gonna be great he seemed like he was done wouldn't even think he'd start yeah

Speaker 1 well you know i realized this sal

Speaker 1 The 2-7 could be Steelers Broncos.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Right.
That's in play. That it would involve Buffalo would have to mess something up or Denver would somehow jump to six.

Speaker 1 So maybe it could be a 3-6, but Steelers-Broncos round one would be super fun.

Speaker 1 Wilson going against a team that paid him to leave. And then he has to play him in the playoffs.
But so Tomlin, coach of the year, do they have the odds for that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I was going to make a case for that. I don't know that we need to see.
Although, we just went over their schedule and how tough it is the rest of the way. But I think he's the guy.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's the favorite. They don't have odds up right now.

Speaker 1 He would be my pick right now. I mean, the guy, the fact that he's got nine already, he refuses to go under 500.
He's so good after a loss, just doesn't F up. It really doesn't.
Who else would it be?

Speaker 1 I think you could make a case for Sean McDermott, considering all the change that they had on that team with the coaching staff and some of the injuries. I'm just looking at the ball.

Speaker 1 McConnell's up there.

Speaker 1 Trent Dick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, McConnell's done like rejuvenating Sam Donald. Yeah, he's definitely in there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Dave Canalis turning Carolina into like a watchable team over the last five weeks. The neat top fighter, too.
Dan Campbell's, I think he was first last week. No, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 So Wilson is 15 to 1 to win comeback play of the year.

Speaker 1 And Kirk Cousins is 7 to 1.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that true? Yeah. Kirk Cousins, who leads the league in interceptions, is probably going to get benched at some point soon.
So

Speaker 1 Baltimore, somehow, still plus 125,

Speaker 1 two wins behind the Steelers or two losses behind the Steelers. They have the game at home, right? When they match up again, they play home.
You mentioned the Bengals.

Speaker 1 Is that the most disappointing team for you now? I think so. Their over-under was 10.5 wins, and they're 4-8.

Speaker 1 Yes. I mean, the Niners aren't going to get to their over

Speaker 1 my team, of course.

Speaker 1 Personally, I'm most disappointed in my team, I guess.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the fact that the Bengals and Ravens had 13 combined losses and the calendar just turned to December.

Speaker 1 Jesus. It's rough, man.
It's rough. I don't know.
That Lou Anaruma, everybody loved him, but I don't know if he's scheming the wrong way.

Speaker 1 But as much as we like Russ, you can't give up 414 to that guy. You can't.

Speaker 1 Last three games, they gave up 389 yards, 435, 5'10 today. Jesus.
They've given up 35, 34, 44.

Speaker 1 Last three games. And

Speaker 1 they give up big plays. I think Wilson had nine 10-plus-yard passes,

Speaker 1 which is, it just felt like they were moving the ball downfield.

Speaker 1 I don't know. The burrow thing's strange because

Speaker 1 he's, you know, he's one of the five or six best best QBs by any calculation. He seems like if you were going to

Speaker 1 just draft QBs to try to win a Super Bowl, he'd be one of the first ones that went.

Speaker 1 And usually when that happens, the team is at least, he pulls the team to nine wins, 10 wins, no matter who's on the team. This is about as bad as you can do with a quarterback like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, how about six and six?

Speaker 1 I mean, just from a betting perspective, like if you back this team, you just get used to the idea that you're almost definitely going to have the better quarterback and they're going to lose because the defense is is so bad.

Speaker 1 Well, I said that when I came on the ring, my picks today when I went on Ringer Sunday pregame.

Speaker 1 I really feel like this Thanksgiving week is the week that teams have been trying to tell us who they are and we're choosing just not to believe them, right? The Niners were like that.

Speaker 1 The Bengals were like that. The Falcons were definitely like that for me.
But there's just, you hit this point. It's like

Speaker 1 there's no, oh, maybe this will be the week. Like we have a three-month track record of behavior at this point.
Right. You know, pretty, the Saints were a team that I thought,

Speaker 1 and we talked about it, but it really feels like as soon as Taysom Hill is hurt, injured, whatever, that team just completely falls. Maybe he should have been an MVP candidate.

Speaker 1 They hung around in that Rams game. They were winning.
Then even near the end, but that was the only, I was trying to figure out, could there be like a 4-8, 3-6, 3-7 type team?

Speaker 1 But all of them got wiped out this week. The Saints, Miami, the Bengals.

Speaker 1 I guess maybe Indianapolis would be the only one that

Speaker 1 team with a losing record that's still hanging around, but that's it.

Speaker 1 And if you're with you, no, I'm trying to think. Tampa Bay kind of bears were another one.
Like, oh, maybe the Betsy. No.
Yeah, everyone else is like six or six, and it makes sense that they are.

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess San Francisco.

Speaker 1 Oh, they were five. What were they, five and six, or are they five and six now? Yeah.
Yeah, five and six. I don't know.
No, I think you're right. Nobody's coming from the depths.

Speaker 1 But New Orleans, New Orleans, I feel like with the coach,

Speaker 1 you have to see what the clogger did in the office, what he did earlier. Like, you don't have to see a picture, but I want, you know, I want to know before I bet on the Saints,

Speaker 1 what kind of dad. Maybe he should tweet that out.
Yeah. He should.
Maybe he should

Speaker 1 foot the night before or something.

Speaker 1 Players walking into the stadium. Like Cam Newton.
No, he's dialed in. He's got the fedora and the multicolored mascot.
It's the same thing for the clogger.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Michael Pennix

Speaker 1 was trending on Twitter today. Speaking of seeing things trending on Twitter and kind of being able to guess what the result was.

Speaker 1 Kirk Cousins, zero TDs, four picks, including a pick six. He was one away from the full dalon.

Speaker 1 He is now our interception leader at 13. I think your Darnold bet's in jeopardy.
Yeah. And he can't move.

Speaker 1 And they're six and six, and it feels like they should be two and ten or three and nine.

Speaker 1 Here's my question.

Speaker 1 Do you so they signed Cousins on March 11th, and the draft was like six weeks later.

Speaker 1 Do you think they saw something in that six weeks that made them think they had to draft a QB?

Speaker 1 What is that? I don't know. They're just spent all that money on cousins and then

Speaker 1 they got some sort of word between March 11th and near the end of the year,

Speaker 1 the draft that,

Speaker 1 I know you paid for this guy, but did you know blank or they're working out with him? Or

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Because now I feel like Pennex, if you put Pennex on the team that we've been watching the last couple of weeks and he's moving around, like I actually think they'd have a better chance to win.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll tell you what, they may have seen. And it's a good point because

Speaker 1 at that point in March, they're really just throwing the ball around and stuff if they're even doing that.

Speaker 1 But out of all the terrible quarterback metrics you just read, the one that you didn't was one that was like kind of just invented the next miles per hour one? The miles per hour.

Speaker 1 Kirk Cousins must be like, What the fuck? There's another thing now that he did not throw over 36 miles an hour in a minimum 20 attempts. No one's ever done that in a freaking dome.

Speaker 1 Like, no one's ever done that before.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was trying to think: 36 miles an hour.

Speaker 1 Like, nobody could throw a, you couldn't throw a baseball pitch 36 miles an hour. It's like basically impossible.
That'll be hard. Almost two.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If I'm going 36 miles an hour on a 35 mile an hour street, I'm probably getting tailgated. Right.

Speaker 1 If you're tailgated for going slow. If I'm going 35 on the highway, I'm getting pulled over.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not one time did he unleash it. So he's clearly not healthy.
And he's been terrible for three straight games. He hasn't had a touchdown in three games, touchdown pass.

Speaker 1 He's been sacked like seven times. He's six picks.
It's the easiest pick six in the league if you're throwing 30 miles an hour. I mean, the touchdowns.

Speaker 1 one he had in the end.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That with the three guys where he kind of like he lobbed it up like he was trying to throw something on top of a Christmas tree and like it was it became a contest for who's going to intercept it.

Speaker 1 He was so bad in that game. Like that, honestly, they had no business losing that game and he single-handedly lost the game.
That was my takeaway from that game. They had no business winning.

Speaker 1 The Chargers had 187 total yards on offense.

Speaker 1 And I commented that Cousins is throwing the ball like he's having a soft toss catch with a seven-year-old on Turkey Day, like a turkey day game in the backyard.

Speaker 1 Like he's coming back from rotator cuff surgery. Right.
Chargers had 10 touchdowns. I'm sorry, 10 first downs.
10 touchdowns have been a lot. 10 first downs, 187 yards total.

Speaker 1 But McConkey had 117 yards receiving.

Speaker 1 So go figure that. Number 29, I didn't have sound for that game.
I had that on the TV on the bottom left in my house.

Speaker 1 I don't know who number 29 is, but he picked off. He was all all over the place.

Speaker 1 Who was number 29? Just some fan with a jersey. He was a big guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Atlanta had the ball for 36 minutes and somehow didn't win. I think they should start Pennex next week.
And I'm not, to me, that's not even a reaction. It's like they're six and six.

Speaker 1 They still, because they beat Tampa twice, they still have the division and their destiny. And there's no way you can think Cousins is going to turn this around at this point.
Why not play Pennex?

Speaker 1 I'm trying to. He's got to do it.
He'll suck it up.

Speaker 1 To me, it's like like the Russell Wilson. Oh, no.
Oh, hold on. They're at Minnesota.
This old team. That makes it worse.
I know. That's why we have to see it.
We have to see it.

Speaker 1 Next question. Will you ever trust an old starting QB coming off of Torn Achilles ever again after this season with Cousins and

Speaker 1 Rogers? Yes. Can we now never trust that again now?

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think if there's an age, right?

Speaker 1 How about 35 and up? Yes, Yeah, that's good. Yeah, 35 and up is good.
I'm out. I'm out on it for sure.
You know what I was thinking about?

Speaker 1 Remember Rogers when he tore his Achilles in week one last year, and then there was that stuff about how he might be able to come back that year.

Speaker 1 And we were making fun of it on the pod. And I was like, I was trying to think of some crazy thing to do if he actually came back because it was so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 He still hasn't been able to come back. It's 15 months later.
He still sucks. He can't move.
He should have been. He came back last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just come back last year.
He would have been just as good. He

Speaker 1 has not had a three. We're almost at the three-year anniversary of his last 300-yard game.
I love it.

Speaker 1 It's a week from Friday. Hasn't won a playoff game in four years.
Turns 41 tomorrow. Can I do a couple here from Ben Foles?

Speaker 1 The Jets are the first team to be favored in nine in the first 12 and end up three and nine or worse. Wow.

Speaker 1 Rodgers has had a chance to tie or take the lead five times in the fourth quarter. 0 for 5.

Speaker 1 I want them to resign. I know we all had Seattle, so this wouldn't have been the game to do it.
I kind of want the Jets to have a little bit of a one-two-game resurgence just so they sign them again.

Speaker 1 I want to see this again.

Speaker 1 So they're three and nine against the spread,

Speaker 1 three and nine on the year, right? Are they three and nine against the spread, too, or like two and ten? I don't know. Uh,

Speaker 1 yeah, cover those Thursdays. They've only won one game on a Sunday, right?

Speaker 1 So the three and nine against the spread, spread. JJ's taking them all nine times.

Speaker 1 Bro.

Speaker 1 Bro, enough. Enough.
You made your jokes earlier on. That's enough.

Speaker 1 Jets today, 12 penalties and a pick six. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the pick six was especially great because for people who didn't see the game, Rodgers had Wilson wide open on the play before in the end zone and missed him.

Speaker 1 And then threw the pick six on the next play. And probably should have been pulled at that point if they're actually trying to win the game, but they're so scared scared of them for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 they win a game. Seattle wins a game where in the first half, they gave up a kick touchdown.
They fumbled on a kickoff twice.

Speaker 1 They missed the PAT

Speaker 1 and their punter was so hurt that they just kept cutting to him and he just kept doing that thing where he just had his hand on his back and it's like this.

Speaker 1 And the announcer's like, well, that doesn't seem good. It's like, yeah, it definitely doesn't.
This guy's supposed to be the punter.

Speaker 1 definitely not good that he's like me playing pickup at age 55 um and seattle wins anyway it was a ridiculous win the their fans are like kind of miserable even though they won because it was such a bad game for them right and the jets were just somehow worse and that was the legacy of that game Why are they, I'm trying to think of why, I know people hate whatever it's with me with the Rodgers stuff, but why would he even?

Speaker 1 I love it. He's on McAfee every week.

Speaker 1 And what's the point of even asking him about what he thinks about the future what what's your future going to be like like i don't what this is what what kind of old actor it's like you having an old actor on every week and make like who who who's not been in movies for like 25 years um

Speaker 1 i feel like whoever you say it's going to be probably super insulted is sean connery still alive i don't know that's good sean connery let's use him because he's sean connery you have him on and you alec baldwin we could use him that's a good yeah alec would you do would you do gladiator three like and he's like well you know it's really up to the directors and the studio and stuff like that like yeah no shit yeah yeah it's not your call because you're not you don't have it anymore i think his only chance belich loves him and i think his only chance is if like belichek got the vegas job and it was like belichek and aaron rodgers went to vegas for a year some some team like that where they didn't have a quarterback and Belichick just liked them and then they would turn on each other in like eight weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's how that'd be fun.
All right. That'd be fun.
That's fun. He's done, though.
It happens. We've watched.
Sure.

Speaker 1 You and I are old enough now that we've seen a lot of quarterbacks hit the end.

Speaker 1 And I'll never forget one of my first ones to break my cherry with this was Dan Marino, who I was terrified of

Speaker 1 for the entire 80s and for the first part of the 90s.

Speaker 1 And then by the time we got to the late 90s and he had had like a torn Achilles and you know, his arm was fucked up and he just wasn't good anymore.

Speaker 1 And I remember betting against him and being like, holy shit, I'm betting against Dan Marino. Like, this is like fucking touching the third rail in the subway.

Speaker 1 Like, you're not supposed to, and just doing it and winning, being like, oh my God, I want to bet against Dan Marino, but this is what happens to old quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson was the pet, right? Like when

Speaker 1 Jimmy Johnson was coaching. Yeah, it was scary, but yeah, this happens with pitchers too.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't want to make excuses, but Rogers is just, now he's just looking out for a way to get out gracefully, right? So

Speaker 1 it's fake injury injury time, it's fake injury time, yeah. But I was thinking if they did win this game, how annoying the Tuesday interview would have been.

Speaker 1 Where it's like, hey, you know, we were just out there having fun.

Speaker 1 You know, football's fun, and what we were doing out there, you know, you got all this, all this tension, all this pressure, and we just went out there and we played like we were when we were kids.

Speaker 1 He might just say that it was like, yeah, that happened, but also Seattle made 45 mistakes with special teams. That was also super fun.
Uh, kudos, I gotta, I got to shout out Sean Fantasy,

Speaker 1 who tweeted on September 9th, 2024. So I have this on the record.
I think this jet season will be an epic disappointment. Everyone will be fired at its conclusion, and Aaron Rodgers will retire.

Speaker 1 Wow. September 9th.
Pretty good. Fantasy.
Good job, Bob. He was adamant.
I got to say the whole summer he was adamant that this was going to end badly. All right.

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Speaker 1 So Iberflues got fired after that Thursday game.

Speaker 1 And the reason I bring this up off the jets,

Speaker 1 who's the worst coach now? Because I said that Iberflues was my favorite bad coach. Oh, yeah.
I really, I really enjoyed him.

Speaker 1 I really enjoyed the Thursday game, knowing that they'd probably fuck up that last minute, which they did, and watching things you don't get to normally see. Who's the guy now?

Speaker 1 Because I haven't narrowed down to Antonio Pierce, coach middle seat. Middle seat's got to be in there.
Yeah. Or the Jets guy, who's pretty terrible.

Speaker 1 He's been one of the worst interim coaches we've had. The team's definitely worse.
Like, there's no way they'd be this bad with Salah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we can't count. I don't know if we we can count him.
Can you count him? Can't count him?

Speaker 1 Yeah, if they have to have the job more than four weeks, five weeks or something. Okay.
Well, he's bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you put anyone else in there? I can't even say Siriani anymore. I mean,

Speaker 1 Mayo's pretty close. You got to see him firsthand today against the Colts.
My guy's not lighting the world on fire. Your guy's coming back.
That's for sure. Is my guy, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Would you put him ahead of Miami?

Speaker 1 That's getting close, too. McDaniel? Yeah.

Speaker 1 At least,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 I know we want to blame Tua, and it's fun to blame Tua,

Speaker 1 but he's going to try to figure out a way to win some of these games. He's got talent on that roster.

Speaker 1 The disc jackie? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would have said Pierce before this week, but I actually thought the Raiders played pretty well against the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 And at least they're smart enough to realize that Brock Bowers is like this generational tight end.

Speaker 1 Let's just throw him the ball every time. It's like Kelsey Kelsey crossed with Gronk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so coach middle seat's probably still the worst. Yeah.
Although I found myself feeling bad for him with that late hit, which was insane.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was my net. I'm glad you brought that up.
That was

Speaker 1 worst quarterback hit since when?

Speaker 1 Feisman?

Speaker 1 No. I don't know, man.
No, there was a really bad Shrek Green one a while ago. I remember.
Oh, right, right, right. There's a bad Flacco one.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What do we mean by

Speaker 1 dirty or like because two? Dirty cross with, oh my god, is he still alive? Yeah. Because that was the first like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 But the penalty's offset, you understand.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They got to figure that out. I've always made this joke when Warren Smith, Warren Sapp horse collared Jerry Rice and not and like blew out every knee leg of an edge.

Speaker 1 That should have just been a hundred-yard penalty. You just get, you get a touchdown.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or people say that guy can't play until Lawrence plays again, but to hit the guy that retaliates just shoves the player over. Should be less.
What is he supposed to do?

Speaker 1 Either he's a pussy for not defending his quarterback or he suffers the same punishment as the head hunter.

Speaker 1 It's like if you shot my dog and then I slapped you in the face and we both shared a jail set. Offsetting.
Yeah, that makes sense. I would never shoot your dog.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 You know what it did lead to? Other than a really scary,

Speaker 1 scary moment, a great bra, a rare, like we are immediately fighting NFL moment where it was just, it was, it really felt like that was going to keep going and going.

Speaker 1 It led to one of my favorite sentences in NFL discourse. No love lost.
There's no place in the game for that. So, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's no place. No place in the game for that.
Where are the places for that? Just

Speaker 1 do we have places? Can I go on Google Earth?

Speaker 1 Where can I just hit a guy when he's not looking and knock him out with my forearm? Are there places? The octagon, I guess, but not with

Speaker 1 pads and a helmet would be weird. I don't even think there's a place.
There's no place. It happens every three weeks in no place,

Speaker 1 but there's no place for it. It's not what we teach here.

Speaker 1 No place for that.

Speaker 1 That's the cousin of you. Hate to see that.

Speaker 1 Hate to see that. Hate to see that.
Let's go to break. So Jacksonville is 2-10.

Speaker 1 So is Vegas, and so are the Giants.

Speaker 1 You know college football way more than me. Is there a franchise quarterback that you feel like could be on that at least Burrow, Drake May level? I don't love him this year.
I really don't.

Speaker 1 I mean, Sanders? It's fun to say you have Shador Sanders, but

Speaker 1 I don't really think, I think this is not the year to go 2-15. Who would you take, Hunter?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I think they're going to have to make a decision on him if he's a defensive or offensive player.

Speaker 1 I think whoever drafts him is not going to have it in mind that he's playing both ways, right?

Speaker 1 If I'm him, I'd want to go to which position, if I was one of the best in the league at, where do I make more money?

Speaker 1 And I think the answer is receiver, right? Sure. If you're a good receiver, you're making 30 to 35 million a year.
And he could also just play defense.

Speaker 1 He could be, you know, the nickelback on third downs if they wanted to use him that way. Can I say this? He's excellent.
And believe me, I go nuts when Otani's, people are like, oh, he's not MVP.

Speaker 1 I'm like, when he's pitching, when he's playing both ways, are you kidding me? There's nothing to compare it to.

Speaker 1 For sure, Hunter should be the Heisman winner, but i've never seen a coach try to win an award for a player more than deion sanders is like they're throwing to him on fourth and 31 when they're up 21 points just to pad stats oh yeah it's crazy and he's gonna get it done

Speaker 1 like lebron going 29 and 16 in utah tonight something like that yeah utah's like we just want to get cooper flag like knock yourself out buddy yeah um

Speaker 1 next question could bryce young win comeback player of the year just from what he came back from in the same season oh

Speaker 1 well again, we'd have to get the stipulations. It wasn't an injury.
Well, I suggest a new award, and maybe Russell Wilson could have qualified for this too. The Austin Powers, I found my Mojo award.

Speaker 1 And the nominees would basically be Russell Wilson and Bryce Young, right? Maybe Baker Bayfield. Yeah.
Although he was good last year.

Speaker 1 Bryce Young looked like he was being bullied in school and he lost his dog and his parents got divorced in like week five. Even when they cut him, he just looked so sad, like your heart broke for him.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, man, this guy is like a bust.

Speaker 1 And now today, he was really good in that Tampa game. You know, it's not like he has a shitload to work with.

Speaker 1 And I thought his demeanor, it was all, it was the guy from Alabama walking around with his chest out, making plays, creating stuff.

Speaker 1 I'm glad that he's not a bust because we need more quarterbacks. I'm with you.
I'm torn.

Speaker 1 And I think you are too, if you would be honest, because it's nice to have a team to bet against every week safely, you know? But yeah, I want him to be good, right?

Speaker 1 But the bad teams always figure out an effed up way to lose, don't they?

Speaker 1 Today was

Speaker 1 one of the worst. How did you lose that game losses? They basically, if Hubbard doesn't fumble, they probably win.

Speaker 1 Tampa handed it to them by getting that field goal, and then they came down.

Speaker 1 But I really, they, they're like, all right, you're not giving me much, Tampa, but we're still going to, it's like when your mom comes over, right?

Speaker 1 And she, like, all you have in the cupboard is like goldfish crackers and Nutella, and she somehow whips up a veal parmesan. Yeah.
It's like, wait, how'd you do that? It's like the bad team

Speaker 1 delicious. Yeah, it's pretty.
Did your mom do that?

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 1 it's with more fluff than Nutella, but yeah, she does. I'll tell you this: where Carolina reached.
I looked at Tampa all week.

Speaker 1 I thought about putting them in parlays and teases or just doing Carolina straight up first half game.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm sorry, Tampa first half game. Yep.

Speaker 1 Stayed away.

Speaker 1 All right. Because I was like, Carolina's been good for four straight weeks here, and

Speaker 1 they make me nervous. I'm not going against them.
And rightfully so, they were good again. We crapped on Atlanta for good reason, but that is really tight now.

Speaker 1 Minus 145, Tampa plus 120 for that division.

Speaker 1 You know what else is really tight? You almost won the Sal Steelers special again. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Bengals just. They They had to put up 20 points in the second quarter.
It looked like you were going to get a

Speaker 1 21 to 20 type situation. Yeah, something in there.

Speaker 1 And then take it in the second half.

Speaker 1 That didn't work. Next week.
It's always going to happen eventually. Well, do you want to do this

Speaker 1 NFC South? Do you even want to waste time on this?

Speaker 1 I feel good about... Tampa.
I know they'll probably blow it, but

Speaker 1 you're going to look at Atlanta schedule and and tell me it's easy, right?

Speaker 1 Giants. Tampa's 4-2 on the road, and their two losses were fourth-quarter losses to KC and Atlanta.
In the Atlanta game, they should have won.

Speaker 1 I just like the way they're playing way more. And if you, like, you have that Tampa bet, which I backed out of five to one,

Speaker 1 they have to beat Atlanta by a game to win the division. Right, because they lost both.
Your fear would be Pennix starting this week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so. If you got the news like Michael Pennix will start this week, you'd be like, fuck.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Tampa's good. They beat Detroit and they beat Philly.
They're not going to make the playoffs in that garbage division.

Speaker 1 Tampa's got Vegas at home, Chargers, Dallas on the road, Carolina at home, New Orleans at home.

Speaker 1 Feels like they could get to nine or ten wins.

Speaker 1 Yeah, three or four. Atlanta's at Minnesota, at Vegas, home Giants at Washington, home Carolina.

Speaker 1 The question for me is...

Speaker 1 Could we get 8-9, like an 8-9 tie for that division? Is that in play? Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, no one's going to go 4-1 the rest of the way, I don't think, or 4-0.

Speaker 1 That'll be the first time a division has ever been won three years in a row with a losing record ever.

Speaker 1 Relegation. Maybe we got to start thinking about it.

Speaker 1 And yet somehow the NFC West is weirder and more annoying.

Speaker 1 Arizona just completely choked in Minnesota. And I can't believe we didn't talk about that yet.
I had them. They still covered.
I didn't expect to sweat it out when it was 19-6.

Speaker 1 They had the ball for 36 minutes. They had 406 yards.
They had 25 first downs.

Speaker 1 Minnesota's one at eight on third down.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnell had to orchestrate two touchdown drives

Speaker 1 to not even win the game because they also needed a field goal. Arizona, 10 penalties for 96 yards.
That was one reason they lost.

Speaker 1 The other reason, and you and I vacillate on when teams should do this or not, but watching in the moment, fourth and four, Arizona's up three. It's like three and a half minutes left, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 They're inside the 10. Yeah.
And they kicked a field goal to go up six, and it felt like the wrong move because Minnesota had been going up and down the field on them.

Speaker 1 And I, and watching it, hoping Arizona was going to at least lose by three and still cover my bet.

Speaker 1 I just wanted them to go for it because I felt like they could have closed the game out because I liked the way they were moving the ball.

Speaker 1 The nerd stats actually supported

Speaker 1 going for it on fourth and four. It was like 88% you win the game.
If you do it, 80% kick the field goal. So they kick the field goal, they go up six.

Speaker 1 There's been other times where I'm like, just take the points, go up six. They're not going to come down and beat you.
But you were watching.

Speaker 1 Did you feel like Minnesota was going to come down and score on them? Because I did. Yeah, I thought it'd be close.
They're going to get to like the 30 or something. Then it's going to be luck.

Speaker 1 But I almost think you asked the defense in that situation, right? Like, hey, how tired are you guys? Because I know you've been at it for almost three hours.

Speaker 1 Are you going to let Sam Darnold go up and down the field here? Yeah. It's Sam Darnold.
You guys realize it's Sam Darnold, right? Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I don't know. Is Minnesota the most boring good team out there?

Speaker 1 I should have been blued to that Arizona-Minnesota game. That's 75 yards at half, Minnesota.
I'm like, oh, they're probably going to win. It's really unimpressive.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to bet against them in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 So Arizona loses two incredibly winnable games in a row against good teams. Seattle last week, Minnesota this week.
They're in a tie.

Speaker 1 The Rams had their fourth, I think their season is dead, moment of the season where they're down in that, in the

Speaker 1 Saints game, and it's just like,

Speaker 1 oh, of course, this is a 5-12 team. Why were we fooling ourselves? And then they pull that out.
Do you ever feel like we will a team to we inspire a team through our texts?

Speaker 1 Because we were on the ring of pregame text about how bad Stafford is. And each one of us is sending one stat worse than the other for Stafford for third down conversions and how many this and that.

Speaker 1 And then just like that, their offense came alive for like two drives and it was enough. Well, it doesn't seem like they can block even remotely where they were last year.
That's one problem.

Speaker 1 But I don't know. I looked at all the schedules.

Speaker 1 San Francisco's at Chicago, home Rams at Miami, home Detroit at Arizona.

Speaker 1 And those Detroit games in week 17, week 18, there's a chance they weren't Lions weren't going to have anything to play for, but now we know they will.

Speaker 1 I think they're a cross-off. That comes to week 18.
Oh, the Niners are a cross-off. I think Niners are a cross-off for me.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I agree. But I see.
I think this is the only division that comes down to the final week. But in fact, this is, we have the rematch in Seattle and Arizona from two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 So that's as important as any other game, I think. Seattle's plus 145.

Speaker 1 Arizona's plus 180.

Speaker 1 Rams plus 290. And Niners 14 to 1 now.
So Fandu agrees with us. Yep.

Speaker 1 At gunpoint, I kind of like.

Speaker 1 I kind of like Arizona's last five the most for opponents. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're at Seattle,

Speaker 1 home Pats,

Speaker 1 at Carolina, at the Rams, home San Francisco, who might have packed it in by that point.

Speaker 1 Feels like at least three more wins, but it's probably nine and eight, right? I don't think anyone gets the 10.

Speaker 1 It's not

Speaker 1 have seven, oh, yeah. Seattle's seven and five.
Seattle's got seven, so and but that's the game, right? They play this week.

Speaker 1 Uh, so that I don't know if Arizona, you might as well just bet them this week, I think, if you're going to take them to win a division. And then if they need a game in like three weeks or so.

Speaker 1 Oh, that game's in Arizona. I fucked up.
Arizona's got Seattle home, New England home next to. Listen, it pays to come in last every year.
Eventually it pays off.

Speaker 1 You get a schedule like this where the last month is cake. Well, Seattle has at Arizona, home Green Bay, home Minnesota, at Chicago, at the Rams.

Speaker 1 I don't know whether Seattle's roping me in and I'm going to regret it, but I do think they can move the ball when they need to. Like if they really need to go 75 yards, I think they can do it.

Speaker 1 And I wouldn't say that about a lot of teams, but it's just really painful to watch them get to that point. Their offense is different, it seems, every week, right?

Speaker 1 It should be that Metcalf is around 100 yards and Kenneth Walker is either going to get two touchdowns or three, you know, but it's

Speaker 1 oh, no, Charbonnet. Oh, what? He can't, oh, the tight ends involved, but Metcalf's not open.
It's very strange the way they do it. Well, they definitely can't buck.
No.

Speaker 1 Our whatever games, games, Texans, Jags, Washington, Tennessee, and then Pats Indy,

Speaker 1 which

Speaker 1 I have no idea how the Pats didn't score 30 points. Right.

Speaker 1 Did you see the clip of the two-point conversion that the Pats were blindsided by Richardson QB draws in big moments? And no idea that the Colts might try that.

Speaker 1 Like, how would there be any evidence they would do that in the biggest play of the game? But Barmar got tackled by the guard and pulled backwards. Richardson went right over him.

Speaker 1 There's a great end zone angle of like just the most obvious holding call of all time. And they didn't

Speaker 1 starts must drive you nuts because that was not even a close

Speaker 1 thing under

Speaker 1 Belichick regime, right? You just never saw it. You'd see one of the things.
Yeah, like I was watching, I was watching the Bosco versus

Speaker 1 what was the championship game? Oh, the football.

Speaker 1 Matter. Matter date.
Yeah, Matter Day.

Speaker 1 And even in high school at that level, there's not false starts and holding every five plays.

Speaker 1 And somehow the Patriots, a professional team, like they were saying, my dad was complaining after my dad was upset that they lost.

Speaker 1 And he was saying the Colts have this offensive line where like four guys are new and like backups. Like, they've had a whole bunch of injuries.

Speaker 1 The Colts, nobody jumped off the whole game for them. It didn't feel like.
And yeah, the Pats just holding left and right. But it's the Pats would kill Bosco.

Speaker 1 I mean, they'd win by at least 10, I think. They played Bosco.

Speaker 1 I swear the Pats could have four more wins. Like, they could totally be in this Denver.

Speaker 1 If they were actually well-coached, I really feel like they could be in the seventh seed, but maybe it's working out for

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What are the records? Seven, five, and one. You have the lead.
You have a two-year-old. You're kind of lingering this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not going. I think I did all right today.
We'll see.

Speaker 1 We'll see. Obviously, you cheated.

Speaker 1 You steal these by half a point every time. Well, this is an interesting week because it's week 14.
It's the last fantasy week for any normal fantasy league, I would think.

Speaker 1 And we have all these crazy buys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the teams used to get rid of the buys by Thanksgiving or my

Speaker 1 this feels late, but I think they had to do it because of this Christmas game. I think they wanted those teams fresh because it's

Speaker 1 Baltimore, Houston. I guess Pittsburgh's not one of them.
Baltimore, Denver, Houston, Indianapolis, New England, Washington.

Speaker 1 I mentioned that because there's some big starting QBs in that couple good running backs, couple good receivers, and it's like like weird fantasy implications to lose that many teams.

Speaker 1 Anyway, Thursday night is an awesome game. Really good.
Lions, Packers, it's in Detroit. And I meant to talk about this earlier, but I guess we can talk about it now.

Speaker 1 I really do feel like it's sitting there for the Packers now with all these injuries the Lions have had on defense. You could feel it in the second half of that Bears game.
Like they're just set.

Speaker 1 We always talk about passing the point of no return.

Speaker 1 And it feels like that Dallas defense is right on the edge of maybe too many injuries. Dallas.
Oh, Detroit. Detroit.
Yeah. Dallas defense, too.
Yeah. Dallas, definitely.
I think they passed the point.

Speaker 1 But on the package, I'm thinking really good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I actually think Abru Flus gave it to that. Like, I think he was like, it was a sympathetic move.

Speaker 1 He was like, this will destroy too many money line parlays before the first helping of Cranberry. He's trying to heal America.
Exactly. I can't.

Speaker 1 You know what? Surliness at the tables. We're not calling a tight.
I'm going to take

Speaker 1 this timeout right in the locker room. You're right, though.
I mean, they get Jair Alexander and Romeo Dobbs back, right? Like, Jordan Love was left for dead in Brazil.

Speaker 1 Like, they were going to dump his body in the rainforest in the Amazon. But Tucker Kraft, all of a sudden, like a top option to tight end.

Speaker 1 Jacobs forced like 15 missed tackles the other day, the other night. I think they're really good.
This will be a fun game.

Speaker 1 I've been on them the last couple of weeks with million-dollar picks and just on the pod because I felt like people were sleeping on them or looking for reasons not to think they were good.

Speaker 1 And even like, you know, a couple weeks ago, oh, they only won because of this. And then last week against me, oh, it was cold weather.
It seems like there's always an excuse for them.

Speaker 1 I just think they're pretty talented.

Speaker 1 They have a ceiling that I'm not sure they've scratched yet, but they can run the ball. They can throw the ball.
They can do explosive plays. They can create plays on defense.

Speaker 1 They're pretty well coached. They have a home field advantage.
This will be a nice test. They're catching this Lions team.
You know, they can definitely come in with some swagger.

Speaker 1 They played them well.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I like it.
I have Lions by four and a half. I put this in the Vegas zone.
All right. I get it.
I said four. It's three and a half.
Oof.

Speaker 1 Wow. I think they feel the same way about this Lions defense as you do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's tough because

Speaker 1 we know they don't get carried away one way or the other with these Thursday games. Right.
Just will they beat them on Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 Like, whatever happens, don't assume that that means that's going to happen in round two, round three, but it'll mean something. They beat him in, what was that? It was beginning in November, right?

Speaker 1 24-14. I feel like they've beat him really well now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I think they're better. Like, Jordan Love's like one of the best quarterbacks.
I think he's the best quarterback getting blitzed.

Speaker 1 They're really kind of in sync.

Speaker 1 Sunday Marquee.

Speaker 1 I could give you Bills at Rams or Card Seahawks. What do you think is the Marquee out of those two?

Speaker 1 I guess Bills, Rams. Okay.
I had that too. Bills at the Rams.

Speaker 1 I have the Bills favored by two and a half. Let me find this because they had it.

Speaker 1 Higher. I said three.
It's four and a half. Oh, wow.
Yeah, you are going to beat me this week.

Speaker 1 Well, now you know how it's going, though.

Speaker 1 Four and a half. That seems a whiff too high.

Speaker 1 Maybe a little bit. I mean, how much I don't know.
The Rams were so unimpressive, but the Bills have such a lead now on their division.

Speaker 1 I know they're chasing the one, but you got to think that they can't get up for all these games.

Speaker 1 Watchables, cards home for the Seahawks rematch. We saw this two weeks ago.
This feels like a 1.5 if I've ever seen it. Cards by one and a half.

Speaker 1 That's what I said, because that's what it was a couple of weeks ago. It's two and a half.

Speaker 1 This is the one that flipped. It was Seattle one and a half, then it was Arizona, Arizona, then it flipped again.
They really like Arizona.

Speaker 1 Fairly watchable. It's got four.

Speaker 1 Vikings home for the Falcons. This immediately becomes a watchable if it's Michael Pennix.
You could argue it should be a watchable anyway.

Speaker 1 I had to put the 0.5 on this. Vikings by 3.5.

Speaker 1 Oh, I get this one too. I said five.
It's four and a half. Oh, come on.
That's too high.

Speaker 1 Cousins ball. This is a fun one.

Speaker 1 That's stupid.

Speaker 1 How about this? J.J. McCarthy against Penix, and then it's a national championship from last year.
If McCarthy can get off his ass, suppose they got hurt again. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 I think that was a setback.

Speaker 1 So let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 If Penix becomes the starter on Tuesday, does this line move?

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 No, I think it's already high.

Speaker 1 You don't think it moves toward the Falcons?

Speaker 1 No, no. I don't think.
You got to see. Are you sure? Get in there.
I'm not sure. I'm never sure about this.
I'm five.

Speaker 1 I think it moves a point toward the Falcons. Really? A point? I think that's how bad points is today.
Yeah. No one's ever seen him throw.

Speaker 1 No one's ever seen him, but I know it's better than what I watch today.

Speaker 1 Cousins will be so pissed if they take this game away from him.

Speaker 1 Fairly watchables.

Speaker 1 Can't believe it. The Panthers have crawled out of the poop facta.
Wow. Through 500 yards of shit smelling foulness, the legs they couldn't imagine.

Speaker 1 Panthers at Eagles.

Speaker 1 And I have the Eagles favored by 12 and a half. Oh, you nailed it.
Wait a minute. This doesn't make sense.
How do you make this a fairly watchable and make the line 12 and a half, which is right?

Speaker 1 You know how it's a fairly watchable.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know why?

Speaker 1 Because this Bryce Young thing is really fun.

Speaker 1 I like comeback stories.

Speaker 1 It looked like he was dead. And this seems like a classic Eagles take a dump and their fans freaking out game.
And it's at least a fairly watchable for an hour. I want to see where it goes.

Speaker 1 I'm there for it. That'll be fun.
Steelers-Browns in Pittsburgh. We saw this game 10 days ago.

Speaker 1 And they'll make this just high enough that I have to sweat it out when I'm teasing it, but not too high that I can't tease it. Steelers by eight and a half.
Oh, good. I get it.
I said seven.

Speaker 1 It's only six and a half. Oh, come on.
They're really about all these division games. Like, this is

Speaker 1 a teaser game for me. And I'll be pissed if Domino doesn't come through.

Speaker 1 What happens tomorrow if Denver beats the hell out of Cleveland? This goes up. Oh, it'll go up.
Yeah. Yeah.
Now, short week going to Pittsburgh, an angry team that you beat 10 days ago, they can't.

Speaker 1 They're not sweeping anyone. The Browns.
49ers home for the Bears. Fairly watchable for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the new coach Bump.

Speaker 1 One of my favorite things to bet on. Thomas Brown, very well liked in the Chicago locker room, respected.

Speaker 1 Eberflues lost the locker room. They always tell us after the guy gets fired, yeah, yeah, he lost the locker room last week.
Yeah, I would love this. Where was that?

Speaker 1 We were looking at that two weeks ago for gambling.

Speaker 1 49ers minus three over the Bears. Oh, no.
I said five, and it's five and a half. Oh, that's idiotic.

Speaker 1 But McCaffrey might be out.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I mean, I think

Speaker 1 you're betting Chicago here. You're not going to bet Chicago.

Speaker 1 That line's three points too high.

Speaker 1 Why can't we? The 49ers are better than the Bears? The 49ers, you just watched them. They stink.
Yeah. They're five and seven.
They keep telling us that they're not a good team.

Speaker 1 Everybody's like, I don't know, 49ers. Unless you're right about this new coach.
I haven't seen the craps he's taken in the toilet situation.

Speaker 1 But other than that, I just feel like they just blow every game, they don't care. Yeah, I need some Thomas Brown info.

Speaker 1 Want to find out more about him, more his bathroom habits, drinking habits. What did Brown do for us? Yeah, Bears look like a great underdog pick.

Speaker 1 Is that line out for the underdog yet or for the Money Lines? They don't have the Money Lines yet, right? I didn't see it. No, um,

Speaker 1 no, they don't have it for that one. Damn,

Speaker 1 okay,

Speaker 1 Poop Fecta, speaking of the clogger.

Speaker 1 Saints at Giants, clogging it up.

Speaker 1 I think this is in the Vegas zone. I have Saints by four and a half at the Giants.
Yeah, you nailed it. I don't know why I said two.

Speaker 1 It's exactly four and a half.

Speaker 1 Derek Carr is just miserable.

Speaker 1 I always forget. Always forget.
And then it happens.

Speaker 1 The moment you pressure him for like three plays in a row, he just turns into a different human being. Right.

Speaker 1 I think some people, hopefully not on the Ringer Sunday pregame show, will be talking themselves into the Giants money line on Sunday. No, not this one.

Speaker 1 Does it feel like a JJ kind of picked you? I don't know, bro.

Speaker 1 Bro, I'm listening to you.

Speaker 1 Derek Carr and Giants Stadium.

Speaker 1 You listen to these fans talking in a local radio. They're dialed in.
They're dialed in for the Saints.

Speaker 1 The case for the Giants would be: they always win one dumb game when there's four or five left that screws up their draft pick by like three or four picks, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and this is definitely a candidate for that. Titans, Jags in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 I'm going to try not to watch one second in this game.

Speaker 1 I don't want this on a multi-view. I don't want this anywhere.
I don't want to see it on the red zone. Titans minus three over the Jags.

Speaker 1 You get it. I don't know why I said one and a half.
It's four and a half.

Speaker 1 He lost by 23 today.

Speaker 1 It's so high, that number.

Speaker 1 Although, your boy,

Speaker 1 Mac Jones, missed some very, very easy throws. Like, they could have won that game for sure.
The Jags. I saw some of the clips on the internets.

Speaker 1 I swear. The first three months of his career, Mac Jones was good.
I swear. I would go to my grave saying that.

Speaker 1 I don't know what happened to him that he can no longer come even close to hitting wide open guys.

Speaker 1 But for three months, he could. That should scare you in the jersey you're wearing.
No, it's different. Yeah, I'm wearing the jersey.
I had this on for good luck today.

Speaker 1 Why is it different? What would Kyle say is different? Oh, he's it's you can't. Drake May is like the, he's

Speaker 1 the best. It's the best rookie quarterback we've ever had.
It's not even close. Oh.
He can do everything.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, he's like a, he's unbelievable.
The rookie quarterback that we've ever had. Yeah, Brady didn't play as a rookie.
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 Dolphins Jets in Miami.

Speaker 1 Bro, we are going to take care of business in this game, bro. He's going.

Speaker 1 That's right. JJ's going.
He's going to be there.

Speaker 1 Dolphins minus four and a half. Does that sound right? No, I hit this exactly.
Six and a half. Oh.

Speaker 1 oh, can you, if JJ has to be in the building when Aaron Rodgers beats the Dolphins, good night.

Speaker 1 What would you put on the announcement tomorrow, Tuesday, Aaron Rodgers has been waived by the New York Jets? Oh, waived.

Speaker 1 Released. Yeah, but there's no consequence, right? Like finance, I mean, there's a little bit of a hit, right? They just say, they're just like, we're out.
We're out of the Aaron Rodgers business.

Speaker 1 Good luck. Yeah.
Tuesday?

Speaker 1 What are the odds? Would you say like five to one? You think they time it to happen during the McAfee interview? Oh, that was like 20 minutes before the McAfee interview.

Speaker 1 They're just like, you know what? You're released. Yeah.
I like it. I'd bet it.
I'd bet it just for fun. No, but what are the odds? What do you think the odds are, though?

Speaker 1 Because I don't think it's like 10 to 1. I think it's in the 4 to 1 to 6 to 1 range.

Speaker 1 Like if you're booking the bet.

Speaker 1 And you had to put odds down for people to bet, what would you put down? 10 to 1 is too high, but I always imagine him walking away from it. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 You know, like, like you would, you know, when you have a

Speaker 1 like just the retirement, like right before the Netflix thing comes out, yeah. Like, you have a couple, like, oh man, he cheats on her all the time.

Speaker 1 Like, wait a minute, she left him and she didn't even know that he cheated. Wow, that's like, I kind of feel like that's what it would be.
What couple do you know that does that?

Speaker 1 That sounds like a fun couple.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 1 Bucks home for the Raiders is our last poop factor.

Speaker 1 Baker Mayfield could be seven and six. MVP candidate.
Put that 201 odds down now.

Speaker 1 I have the Bucs by six and a half over the Raiders. I hit this exactly.
I swore in our friendship, seven.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, you were confident heading into this. They got to win that.

Speaker 1 Aren't there some teasers staring us in the face here? Some nice, we don't even have to do that. I'm scared to put the Bucs in anything after watching them today.
He's your MVP.

Speaker 1 How's he going to lose to

Speaker 1 O'Connell? Whatever. We have to talk JJ out of not taking the Giants or the Jets as his underdog

Speaker 1 man's best bet, whatever we call it.

Speaker 1 Can't allow him to do it. Can't allow him to do it.
Sunday night, Chiefs, Chargers in Kansas City.

Speaker 1 It's a Vegas zone if I've ever seen it. I'm going to say Chiefs by five and a half.
Oh, you went too high. I said three.
It's three and a half.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. So, so

Speaker 1 everyone's just done with the Chiefs says a half.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. They're on to it.
All right. We're on to.
Does Mahomes know?

Speaker 1 He doesn't know.

Speaker 1 They don't tell him. They don't tell him until the last minute.

Speaker 1 Well, the Chargers have eight wins, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They could play like a stifling defense. Like, I don't know.
I mean, at this point, the Chiefs are good for 22 points. So

Speaker 1 what's the other team going to score?

Speaker 1 I have some Chargers action for the season that I'm excited to cash in on. They're one away from their over.
Eight and a half was their over. That was good.

Speaker 1 Playoffs was, I think, pretty, I think it was at least plus 120, something like that.

Speaker 1 Yep. And I have Harbaugh, coach of the year, which he's probably not going to win now.

Speaker 1 What do you have to do? Yeah, you just

Speaker 1 go like at least 12 and 5 to win that, right? It's tough. It's tough.
You got too many other division winners like that. Other guys.

Speaker 1 Monday night.

Speaker 1 What a hilarious game this is.

Speaker 1 Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 The Dallas Cowboys unflexed because it's on a Monday night.

Speaker 1 I don't know what team's been more disappointing.

Speaker 1 I have the Bengals favorite. Bengals minus one and a half.
Oh, wow. I thought this one you could have stolen.
It wouldn't have mattered. I said three and a half.
Six and a half is the number. Come on.

Speaker 1 Well, this is a teaser darling, right?

Speaker 1 Borrowing rush.

Speaker 1 This is the season. Tis the season, Simmons, for the Bengals.

Speaker 1 It's over.

Speaker 1 Even your crappy team could move the ball on them, though. I know.
It's going to be fun. You could win this game.
Somebody will take. That's an underdog money line bet.

Speaker 1 7-6-1 on the year. Here we go.
Man, you're almost tied. Jacoby's got to be fired up.
Oh, yeah. Thanks again.
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Speaker 1 Parent Corner, coming off Thanksgiving, always a lively edition.

Speaker 1 What do you got?

Speaker 1 You could do your own kids. You could do your parents? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they all drive me so nuts.

Speaker 1 Really, you know what? I'll do my kids. Here's what I was going to go with.

Speaker 1 And I feel like I'm thankful that they all have a piece of me and it's not a great piece of me but it it's I see me and all of them like my oldest son I told you last week was leaving early Friday to go to the Oregon Washington game so yes sports over everything he's gone Friday after the meal good job the wife's upset The youngest kid, we go around the table on Thanksgiving and it's a torturous process.

Speaker 1 It lasts like 20 minutes, but we all say like what we're thankful for. And like my mother goes for like eight minutes and it's crazy.

Speaker 1 But when we got to my little, my littlest one, Harriso, he thanked the Mets. He thanked the Mets for an exciting September.
And I liked that.

Speaker 1 I was like, you know, and only when he was prompted by my mother did he come around and say he was thankful for anyone in the family. So there's that.

Speaker 1 I love that. And then my middle son, Jack, gets such a kick out of our friend Brad, our crazy friend Brad, who stayed with me.
I said, Brad, you can come to Thanksgiving. It might be too much for you.

Speaker 1 There's going to be 20 people, or you could stay with me the rest of the weekend, or you could do both, whatever. He's like, I'll be here Friday.
So he comes out and my son, Jack, just loves it.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, Brad. He's like, every noise Brad makes, he loves it.

Speaker 1 Like, if I let the dog out, I have to close the door quickly because Brad is usually screaming if there's like a play on TV or if his like hip hurts or something.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't want the neighbors to think there's a murder going on in the living room. So I'm like, come on.
I'm like waving the dog in. And my, my, my son loves it.
My son loves it.

Speaker 1 Brad is like double fisting mountain dews at 9 a.m.

Speaker 1 He's all over it. And like, this is the, this is when I knew, like, that's my boy.
Like, we ordered ribs Saturday night after watching football. And the order came and it was like a little light.

Speaker 1 Like just like, you could tell, like, damn it, I'm mad. And Jack gave up his ribs just so he could watch Brad eat, just so he could watch it.
And like, because it's such a love and affection.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's love and affection, but it's also like he's like sneaking pictures pictures too, because you could have like a 12-pack of Brillo pads and not get the barbecue sauce out of his beard for like even 10% of it.

Speaker 1 It's a real spectacle. And that's my boy.
They all have terrible qualities of mine.

Speaker 1 No family dysfunction, no shouting matches, nothing? Not too much. My father started getting into politics and he was shouted down.
So luckily that. Oh, how did that go for him? Yeah, that was great.

Speaker 1 They're like, no, no, no, nobody wants to hear it. um my sister announced that she and my mother and are in therapy to uh 20 strangers so that was fun but that's it it's pretty light

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 so my daughter went back to school today but she was here for a while and

Speaker 1 you know it's just you fall back into the old habits but on friday day off My wife wanted to go for like a big long walk and we'll just go and maybe we'll stop and get a drink somewhere.

Speaker 1 So we walk, we walk and we walk and we walk and we end up all the way in Beverly Hills. We decide to get like a Bloody Mary.
We're with her friend Krista.

Speaker 1 And then that leads to we we go by and we stop by my mom's house, who of course has wine going. So there's some wine there.
And then we're walking back.

Speaker 1 We're talking about the French fries at the Four Seasons, which has spawned David Chang to do his BS fries at Major Domo. Like, you never had the French fries? So we go there, two more drinks.

Speaker 1 So now we're like,

Speaker 1 I haven't had this many, but my wife and Krista are definitely going for it. There might have been a couple.
This is all on a walk. This is all.
Yeah, we're doing that on a 25,000-step walk.

Speaker 1 This is what they drink and they walk it off.

Speaker 1 But, you know,

Speaker 1 getting a little tipsy and

Speaker 1 a little, little, little, so there, my wife's trying to get my daughter to come out.

Speaker 1 And my daughter doesn't want to come out. It's like, come meet us.
No, we're going to be here. Still doesn't want to come out.
So then at four o'clock, we're walking back.

Speaker 1 It was like, let's go to the grove. So we're walking through the grove.
Text my daughter again, meet us. Now, then a half hour later, she texts both of us, like, where is everybody?

Speaker 1 I've been alone all day.

Speaker 1 Sets my wife off.

Speaker 1 And she's just like, we've invited her this whole day. And now she's mad that we're not home.
I'm coming home and I'm going to talk to her. I'm like, don't.

Speaker 1 So we get home at like six. My wife goes upstairs and all of a sudden they're just yelling at each other for 10 minutes.
And I'm just, I'm sitting down. I'm like, oh my God, really?

Speaker 1 We're going to do this.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 then my wife comes back down. She's like, I'm leaving.
I'm going out. I'm like,

Speaker 1 where are you going? Like, you're not trying. She's like, no, I'm going to watch.
There's this party over there. Friends

Speaker 1 leaves and goes walks to somebody else's house. And she's just mad.
And next morning they wake up. Everything's fine.
She goes in. Hey, sorry about yesterday, but I was like, oh, yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, this is. We're back.
How did we run this back so quickly? You guys played all the hits. You crammed them all together.

Speaker 1 Mother-daughter. The mother.
You see, you never had it because you had the three sons. The mother-daughter energy is like nothing else.

Speaker 1 Honestly, I don't even really know what the fight was. My wife didn't really know the next day either.

Speaker 1 And what I realized is with moms and daughters, it's like in hockey when, you know, it's like game four of a series and it's like 5-2.

Speaker 1 with like 10 minutes left and it's and all of a sudden the enforcers are skating around and are like all right And they just kind of drop the gloves and start going. That was what it was like.

Speaker 1 They just needed to kind of drop the gloves and go get some punches in, hold each other, have the guy, have the teammate.

Speaker 1 So I was basically the teammate in the, you know, in the, in the, where do you, what do you call all the hockey players?

Speaker 1 The bench. Yeah, the bench.
I don't know why I was blanking. I'm on the bench, like tapping my stick, like, good brawl, guys, good brawl.
And then, you know, they hang out the rest of the weekend.

Speaker 1 We went to dinner last night. My wife drove to the airport today.
It's like, couldn't be better. They decided to drop the gloves.

Speaker 1 And then, yeah, because like hockey at the end of the playoff series, everybody lines up and shakes hands, right? So it's a that's what it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So and I was saying to my wife, like, it's just weird that you guys have to do that. And she's like,

Speaker 1 you know, if we didn't do that, I think that would be, that would make me nervous. Interesting.
And I'm like.

Speaker 1 Okay, I guess that makes sense in whatever weird world you're in.

Speaker 1 You know, it just means we're communicating. All right.

Speaker 1 sure.

Speaker 1 I guess that's what it means. That the 25,000-step walk leads to a 12-step program.
I don't know. There's something in there.
I'm not sure. 25,000 steps,

Speaker 1 seven drinks, and then 12 steps. Step one, denial, step 24,998, admittance.
Yeah, I want to have the Sopranos intervention for her and Krista.

Speaker 1 Just like, just have Polly and Sylvia and Tony

Speaker 1 and Polly going, you make me sick. Chrissy, you make me sick.
Mr. Type A personality.
This is not about my personality.

Speaker 1 Anyway, that's Parrancorder. It's great.
Great to have the family back.

Speaker 1 What do you got? What do you got to put? What do I got? I got a lot. Through the ringer with the great Tate Frazier against the Lots.
We're going to go over the conference finals for college football,

Speaker 1 Ring a pregame show, which you were on. I'm 11 and 2 with my best bet, Simmons.
I'm trying to make it a game here, but nobody wants to catch me. What are you going to do?

Speaker 1 Cut and sales winning weekend. Boomer Siason is a guest.
And I have a documentary that I produced on Yacht Rock. It's on Max.
Oh, I heard that was really good. No, no, it wasn't me.

Speaker 1 That was you and Daniel Kellson produced that. And I loved it.
It was his idea, apparently,

Speaker 1 in some form.

Speaker 1 I loved it. I really did.
Thank you. I'll tell you, my favorite is the Michael McDonald collaboration stuff with Kenny Loggins.

Speaker 1 By the way, the documentary says that Michael McDonald, not the same Michael McDonald that coaches the Seahawks. So I didn't know that.
Different. Total different guy.

Speaker 1 But no, that they did what a fool believes, which I know. And then

Speaker 1 talking about that they knew their next, well, they thought their next project would fail. And that was this is it.
And that was.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they just wanted to bang out a song quickly and they can write something else that went and then heart to heart i loved it i really really did oh thanks buddy and total one thing i'll say though and i feel like this could be like uh is die heart a christmas movie um debacle total will definitely influence other yacht rockers but i don't can consider total yacht rock interest weird i think they're an essential because of rosanna and africa

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 you think those are i mean I don't know. I think Rosanna Ross is

Speaker 1 known as like a

Speaker 1 yacht rock staple, right? Really?

Speaker 1 You would have put Georgie Porgy in there as a staple?

Speaker 1 Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Speaker 1 A lot of bands have one maybe song, but I just, and it was done so well, like where people are like, you can't put your finger on what is your, you just know. You just know when you hear it.

Speaker 1 But yeah, as Mike Lambert said, it was like pornography, where you just know that it's porn. Yeah.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 The weird ones for me are Hollow Notes, who I don't consider Yacht Rock, but I do think they have a couple of Yacht Rock songs

Speaker 1 that just, and the Eagles are the same way. I don't think they're a Yacht Rock band.
I would never say they did Yacht Rock, but I think one of these nights is a Yacht Rock song.

Speaker 1 So it's like just, there's a Venn diagram where when it crosses, you kind of know, and you just grab the song.

Speaker 1 Michael Jackson, Human Nature, and Rock With You are Yacht Rock songs, but he's obviously not a Yacht Rock artist. Right.

Speaker 1 Lionel Ritchie, The Commodores, like those guys had, they're more pop artists, but they definitely had songs that, if you didn't know who sang them, they're yacht rock songs.

Speaker 1 Did you find that most of them, like, were, I know there was definitely, I don't want to ruin it, but

Speaker 1 people were annoyed to be put in that category too, right? For a while, yeah, because it became, it was like, are you making fun of me? Are you on my side?

Speaker 1 I think that existed for a while, but now I think it's such a popular genre. Now I think the artists kind of get it, that it's good for them.
It's good for their music. It's good for the Spotify.

Speaker 1 It's also like, you know, for playlists, it's got its own serious station, yeah. So it's become like its own genre, right? You know, which like disco that happened,

Speaker 1 um,

Speaker 1 you know, like West Coast rap, like there's certain genres that you kind of know it when you hear it. So, um, yeah, it's right up my alley.

Speaker 1 I recommend it to anyone, anyone going on a 25,000-step walk, just uh, pop in Max.

Speaker 1 25,000, 12-step walk

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