Philly’s Dominant D, Shaky Mahomes, Shakier Darnold, Shakiest Goff, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

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Cousin Sal is here. Mike, why can't we get a good Sunday night game? Adam, what do we have to do?

Speaker 1 Do we have to kill a chicken and spread the blood all over us? What do we have to do, Mike?

Speaker 1 We finally get a closed game in the end. The reps blow it.
We can't end like that. Started over.

Speaker 1 I wanted to see Jared Goff get redeemed and throw five more incompletions, Mike, even if he only had four downs. The worst.

Speaker 1 QBs on good teams. where you know right away they might not have it.
Is Goff number one? Oh, wow. I'll offer you Goff, Darnold, daniel jones and lamar jackson are they all company north yeah

Speaker 1 two of them are yeah i uh boy it's tough because i'm looking at stats and everything like golf in cold weather or golf outdoors and golf and it's like he has like a number like 39 degrees and it was 44 degrees so i couldn't even blame it on that yeah but yeah he really does look like i mean he was two for 18.

Speaker 1 forget about that call at the last stupid pass interference call whatever it's two for 18 down the stretch it's miserable to watch and the eagles are miserable to watch too, but they're the Eagles and they play great defense and that's why they're there.

Speaker 1 But yeah, he is Jekyll and Hyde, boy. When you say two for 18, just to clarify for the people listening tomorrow who missed the game, Sal means two completions out of 18 attempts.
His last two.

Speaker 1 Two for 18. Like it's like literally the Jon Starks number.
Yeah, sometimes you just know.

Speaker 1 And it was weird because we had just watched it happen with Darnold

Speaker 1 in the game right before against the Rams, where just something tilts. These guys that can look like superheroes one day, and then the next day, Jones is the obvious one.

Speaker 1 And then Lamar is kind of the wild card. Like our friend Hench was making January Lamar jokes on our text thread during that Cleveland game, where sometimes it just doesn't look right.
But

Speaker 1 I thought about for a second giving the defenses credit today because watching that Browns defense, like, man, they are tough. And Miles Garrett, that poor bastard, stuck on that team forever.

Speaker 1 That sucks. Magic money was done for it.
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 They're probably paying him for it. And the same with Philly.
Like, everything, they were clogging the middle. Everything was getting batted down.
Every pass was covered.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, the cornerbacks were great. This was not.
I feel like

Speaker 1 Dan Campbell made the call like two weeks too early. It's like, ah, I called all the plays.
I called all the offensive plays when they played Washington. It's like, what are you going to say now?

Speaker 1 You had it every other week? Like, this was just

Speaker 1 a good thing. He should have given it back to

Speaker 1 the guy this week and then taken it back again next week. You just keep yanking it back and forth.
Yeah, I'll take it. The defense was awesome.
Two straight weeks, it's been awesome.

Speaker 1 And I think, you know, now we're, this is next week's the last Sunday before Thanksgiving. Like the NFL is now real.
We have a nice sense of who might be legitimate and who's not.

Speaker 1 See, people say they listen and you never give good insight on anything. Yes, next Sunday is the last Sunday before Thanksgiving.
One of the reasons, you know, that we've been around forever.

Speaker 1 We have these great tidbits.

Speaker 1 but i feel comfortable saying this now yeah because we've had 11-week sample size i think philly's defense yeah is better than any other unit in the nfc right well that's good we can at least start there they're better at playing defense than anyone else is at doing anything else in the nfc i think is a fair statement especially the jalen phillips trade you know they they got some guys back all it just feels like they have a rush they can stop the run they can defend the pass they can basically do everything a lot of guys have not a lot but there are teams with good front sevens, front fours, whatever, that you can't run on.

Speaker 1 You can't pass up the middle against the Eagles. Like, you're going to get your shit tipped all night for three hours.
And it's, and it's, uh, it's hideous to watch because I don't like the Eagles.

Speaker 1 And I find that they're boring. But I guess it would be worse if they were scoring six touchdowns a game.
And I had to watch like Barkley celebrate and,

Speaker 1 you know, A.J. Brown and everything.
But

Speaker 1 yeah, man, they just,

Speaker 1 you can't tack that. They, every trade they make, that Howie Roseman must be such a pain in the ass, right? To deal with.
Yeah, we boot him.

Speaker 1 We, we are in the fantasy draft where you can kick somebody out. Right.
I feel like we'd kick him out every two years just to get him out of the league so we'd have a better chance.

Speaker 1 It's like Howie just comes in. It's like, oh, fuck.
I'm going to get voted out. All right.
Yeah, you're going to get voted out again.

Speaker 1 That's why everyone's trading with him because he said he's probably calling these other GMs at three in the morning. Like, stop calling.
Fine. I'll give you three ones for your punter.

Speaker 1 Just stop calling me. It's good.
And now they have a loaded roster again, and it's not going to change. Well, it seems like the Patriots were also going after Jalen Phillips.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think maybe even offering a third. They didn't want to trade him in the division.
And you could argue their third's probably slightly better than the Philly third around the same.

Speaker 1 But,

Speaker 1 yeah, listen, I look at like, even when I think about the Patriots, I think you can throw in the Patriots. They're one pass rusher short.
You can even feel in the Thursday night game.

Speaker 1 Like Fields had time to throw. There was that receiver, that Mitchell, that they got from the Colts.

Speaker 1 There were multiple times during that game where it felt like he could make a play and either he dropped the ball or he was in the wrong spot. But there were guys open that whole game.

Speaker 1 Philly, not the same. And especially when we get into cold weather, it's a team built toward January.
And

Speaker 1 they kind of know who they are. Like they're going to be super boring.

Speaker 1 They're going to make you wonder why they don't throw to the receivers more. Siriana is going to do something fucking wacko in the last four minutes, like what he he did today.
What was that?

Speaker 1 They're up 10, just punt. Goff's done nothing.
He can't move the ball against you. Why are you giving them any semblance of life and a field goal and any chance to do anything?

Speaker 1 All you have to do is punt. You win the game.
But he just can't resist like just getting weird. He won the Super Bowl, so you can't criticize him too much.

Speaker 1 You got to be the king of fourth and one, right? We could impose our will on you whenever, whenever we want. But yeah, that's...

Speaker 1 That's that's that maybe bites him in the ass eventually, but at some point it will. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's weird because I feel like the Lions are also built like tough like the Eagles, except for at the quarterback position. I really do.
I feel like the entire team, everybody else is.

Speaker 1 And, you know, also Gibbs, like every drive was the same. Like Gibbs starts off with an explosive play, either a run or like a screen pass, and then it's just pure shit from goff, like the next few.

Speaker 1 Well, I loaded up on Philly to end the day because I had a couple of things that didn't go well today.

Speaker 1 But the offensive line is having some injuries on that. And then Laporta got scratched over the weekend.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, I don't think that's entirely the reason they scored nine points, but they didn't feel like the same team. And you can feel the blocking is just different than it was last year.
I think

Speaker 1 Goff had no time to do anything, not that he was going to do anything.

Speaker 1 I think that was a way worse loss for Detroit than it was a good win for Philly because Philly should win that game, even though the line was minus three.

Speaker 1 For Detroit, it's getting a little gamey now for them because I really think we're going to have two playoff teams, but we have three spots for the two playoff teams out of the NFC North.

Speaker 1 We're not getting three playoff teams in the NFC North. I think we're getting two.
And it's Chicago who's seven and three. Green Bay is 6-3-1.

Speaker 1 And Detroit's 6-4.

Speaker 1 And there's some interesting caveats, including Chicago plays Green Bay twice.

Speaker 1 Chicago, the rest of the schedule, home Pittsburgh, at Philly. They have a home and home with Green Bay.
Their home for Cleveland is the only easy one.

Speaker 1 They're at San Francisco, and then they finish against Detroit. I had that written down.
They'll be an underdog in five of their last seven. That's what I think.
Right.

Speaker 1 So if they go three and four, they get to 10 and seven. But, you know, week after, and we'll talk about that game later.
Green Bay 6, 3 and 1. They still play at Detroit, home Chicago, and at Chicago.

Speaker 1 And they also play Minnesota twice. And they also suck.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 And they also make you want to stab your eyes. And then the Lions, six and four.

Speaker 1 But weirdly might have the, I mean, they have the Giants next week. They have Green Bay once at home.
And they have at Chicago. And that's about it.

Speaker 1 So I don't, if you had to say who falls out of it between those three, who would you pick? It's for you. Chicago seven and three, Green Bay six, three and one, Detroit six and four.

Speaker 1 I would still say Chicago. I know they have all the wins and they have seven, so they need probably three to get in.
But

Speaker 1 I don't know why. Maybe I'm holding on and I just said Green Bay sucked.
But I think you're right.

Speaker 1 This loss was worse for Detroit than the win was good for Philly because it does show what November and December could be like in the cold weather and stuff, and everything's like a little scattered, doesn't go their way.

Speaker 1 You know, I just don't believe them at all outdoors if they have to be outdoors in January.

Speaker 1 Last year's team had more of a case because I think they were just deeper and their offensive line was better. I don't believe in this.
They weren't outdoors last year either.

Speaker 1 It's like now they have like four, I think, the rest of the way. Well, Fando has them plus 285 to miss miss the playoffs, which is interesting.
The Bears are plus 110.

Speaker 1 So I guess from an odd standpoint, they agree with the Green Bays plus 280. So Fando is saying Chicago, we don't believe in this team.
We are going to see them fall out of the pack.

Speaker 1 And yet every week they pull a fucking win out of their ass. I have them at two wins, two losses, and six either or games.
And they're seven and three. So that means they're

Speaker 1 five and one in the either or games, basically. Yeah, they're an unremarkable seven and three.
Yeah, at minus 140 to make the playoffs. So I don't know.

Speaker 1 They just, the benefit of, I don't know, do you want to talk about that game now? Yeah, it's super cool.

Speaker 1 They've five come from behind wins,

Speaker 1 and they're tied for the, or they had, they have the lead now in the NFC North. And Ben Johnson's locker room thing is now my single favorite thing to look forward to on Sundays.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He did it at the end. He's like, we did it again.

Speaker 1 All three phases down the stretch. He said that.
It's like, but you gave up a go-ahead.

Speaker 1 score to minnesota with like a minute left i don't know if it was all three phases good good kick return that was maybe two of the phases yeah you got a kick return you got a couple first downs but uh but i mean there is something about these teams that just pull wins out of their ass and that's the team this year so i don't know what usually Usually it doesn't end.

Speaker 1 Usually it goes the course of a season and then like has a dramatic overcorrection the next season. So I don't know.
You think this ends? Well, I do think it ends.

Speaker 1 But then now like Caleb Williams is being lumped in.

Speaker 1 I know you're not, no, but no one loves Bo Nicks, but just from that draft class, I see like Drake made 8-0, Caleb Williams, seven and one, Bo Nicks, eight, no, in their last eight.

Speaker 1 So, now those guys are all lumped together. So, now you hear enough of that, and Chicago thinks, yeah, we are a playoff team.
We're going to do this. And

Speaker 1 I don't even, I look at that box score, like, they had 330 total yards, Chicago. Like, you got to win that game at home if you're in Minnesota.
Right.

Speaker 1 Caleb, it was weird because his scrambling is just great. Yeah.
Like he has four or five of

Speaker 1 their like Lamar level. I can't believe he got out of that place.
And then the ball is just going all over the place. And sometimes it's a good place, sometimes it isn't.

Speaker 1 But he is, he is really hard to take down. And I do feel like there's a little bit of a ceiling with him if he can just kind of calm down and keep the passes in the mix.

Speaker 1 I don't know. They rely on those turnovers.
They got an unbelievable McCarthy performance today. Like he was so bad, it was almost defied belief.

Speaker 1 And I really thought, I don't even, what school did Max Brosmer go to? Who is Max Brosmer? I think he actually went to Minnesota College. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It got to the point where I was, I just thought he was coming in for the third quarter. Let's see it.
Yeah. Like, well, they can't play McCarthy for another half.
Like, this is, he's unplayable.

Speaker 1 Like, he was, like, actually unplayable. And they brought him back.
And then in the last kind of drive, all of a sudden he settled down. It was a little bow nicks-ish.

Speaker 1 We really, it was beyond like boot and rally bow. It was something, I don't even know what it is.

Speaker 1 I'm done giving these quarterbacks nicknames. It gets me in trouble.
It started with your guy. I love your nicknames.
The Pats haven't lost since the Drake Baby podcast. Believe me, I know it.

Speaker 1 I need to give my own quarterback. I need to call him Dak.
Press gotta be cut or something. Press got got something just to inspire him.
But you're right. You're eight.
No, since the Drake Baby.

Speaker 1 Called Mr. August or something.
Yeah. Yeah.
But Jay, I mean, it was a, it was 16 for 32, 150, two interceptions. Could have been seven interceptions.
Could have been anything you wanted out of that.

Speaker 1 And it's just, yeah, you're right. Where is Brosmer? This Bears, you know, defense isn't great.
Like, Flacco lit him up in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's just a fourth quarter thing, but he did what he wanted against them, right? So

Speaker 1 absolutely have to win that game. I wrote it down before that last drive.
McCarthy had 74 yards passing. He had two picks and he was

Speaker 1 3.0 yards per attempt.

Speaker 1 And then in that last drive, basically doubled his stats for the entire game because he threw for like 75 yards and threw for a touchdown. But it was so bad.

Speaker 1 And I think big picture, like it's, it's just cost them the season. Like they have to run the slate now.
And I don't think they're going to run the slate with them.

Speaker 1 The receivers look really frustrated. And I think their team's pretty good.
Like it's their quarterback has just killed them game after game going back to Wentz.

Speaker 1 And, you know, they, the Monday night game when he beat them,

Speaker 1 it was the Bears, right? On that first Monday night game? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he got hot basically for

Speaker 1 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 Other than that, not a lot going on with them. Yeah.
I mean, they run the ball too. Like, Aaron Jones is back.
They do nice things. It's not like they have to rely on the pass, right?

Speaker 1 But then you got blue chip receivers, obviously Jefferson and Addison. Those guys shouldn't be getting like six receptions total, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 I was looking at like an adjusted, maybe it's just over. Maybe it's like under five and a half wins.
I see like plus 420. That could be it.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? I'm just seeing Fandel has adjusted wins. Like Minnesota under five and a half is plus

Speaker 1 Jesus. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I don't know.
I don't see a lot. This is still, this is a quarterback that is going to be at a disadvantage in a lot of these matchups.

Speaker 1 Well, then the Packers, they beat a a bad team. Yeah.
And they looked like shit, which I think is the third or fourth time this year. They had

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 1 drops on both sides of the ball. It was really interesting.
I don't know how many interceptions they dropped, combined with how many drops their receivers had.

Speaker 1 Playing the Giants, it was a classic, don't put us in a parlay. We're going to fuck around and make you super scared for three hours.
Don't do it.

Speaker 1 I didn't do it. And of course, then put the Cardinals in a parlay instead, which was even worse.
But

Speaker 1 they're not impressive either. And at one point, what was it? Malik Willis going head to head against Malik and Jameis.
Yeah. Malik and Jameis, the matchup we didn't know we were going to get.
But

Speaker 1 I have some Packers features. So do you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought they'd turn it on or show flashes by now, and it's just not happening. And I don't, now that Kraft's out, I'm not, now Jacobs got hurt today.
I just don't know if they have the skill, guys.

Speaker 1 No, I think so. Right.
It has to be a different, like Watson caught today.

Speaker 1 Well, he just had a touchdown, but yeah, it's between like six guys who are about the same catching the ball every week.

Speaker 1 It's a different one, but

Speaker 1 I don't know what happened to Jordan Love either. Like, we could do this every matchup for anybody, any team who lost.
I'm like, what happened to this quarterback?

Speaker 1 But honestly, like, the NFC North was supposed to be the beasts, like the heavyweights, right? What trust rating do you put on Goff, McCarthy, Love,

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams? Like, if you were to go one to like, who's who's won wanting that? Is it Caleb Williams? Is he one now? Just quarterback. Like, who would you take if you had to win one playoff game?

Speaker 1 Who would you trust? Yeah. Yeah.
So my choices are Goff,

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams, McCarthy. Or Jordan Love.
And Love. Or McCarthy.
McCarthy's fourth. Yep.
So let's say I'm outdoors in January on the road. Yeah.
And I have one, I could have one of those four.

Speaker 1 I'd probably take Love. I don't think I would take Caleb.

Speaker 1 There's too much, it's too erratic, right?

Speaker 1 And Goff, I think, even though golf has had great stats and has been really loyal, golf's third for me.

Speaker 1 If the weather is bad and you're playing a good defense, I want no love sometimes does that thing where he rears back. Remember that terrible uh electric football game?

Speaker 1 Um, and you have to have the plastic figures, and one of them, like, you'd have to like really sling his arm back to like Love does that. I'm like, Oh, you're not even looking at your receiver.

Speaker 1 What the hell are you doing? It's it's second and eight. Why are you even it downfield like that?

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think of

Speaker 1 it's almost like

Speaker 1 I remember writing about this like 13, 14 years ago, Ryan Reynolds, when they were trying to make Ryan Reynolds a star for like seven years, ironically, he belatedly became a star thanks to the Deadpool movie.

Speaker 1 He did argue. But this was from like 2005 to 2012.
And he just kept being starring in movies. And people were like, Ryan Reynolds, he's going to be a star.
And it just wasn't happening. for years.

Speaker 1 And it would be like, the Emity of Ahora remake. And then it'd be like, here's the Sandra Bullock rom-com.
And it it just never happened.

Speaker 1 And I'm kind of wondering if love's like that, where Love, we've penciled into this group.

Speaker 1 And I don't really know what the credentials are other than he played awesome in that one playoff game that they lost.

Speaker 1 Wasn't that to the Niners?

Speaker 1 Really good game against the Cowboys, too. I know that's what he did.
Oh, they beat the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 So they had a one-win. All right.
Yeah. I forgot about that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 we are penciling him in. In my head, I have him in that category.
And I don't know if he's earned it at all because we have a lot of games like the one today where they just really look struggly.

Speaker 1 Well, I would have, I agree with you. I think I would also have the Bears out, even though they have the best record of those three, just because I don't trust what I'm watching with my eyes.

Speaker 1 I just feel like they should lose every game I'm watching. It's interesting because we both have Bears fans in our life.

Speaker 1 There's no Bears fan who's like, we fucking got it, man. No way.
Look out. They're kind of like, I can't believe this.
Hour was seven and three.

Speaker 1 It's enjoyable. They're having a good time.

Speaker 1 I have a Bears friend fan who said we're the worst seven and three team of all time. I don't know if I go that far, but it's got to be one, two others.

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I have a game I want to play with you. Oh.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give you a bunch of things, and it's an excuse for us to talk about the different games, but we're going to rank these sentences in order of improbability from one being the most probable to 10 being improbable.

Speaker 1 I can't wait.

Speaker 1 Here's the first one.

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes blew a fourth quarter lead in a must-win road game and got outplayed by both freaking Knicks. One to 10.
How improbable was that for you as you were watching?

Speaker 1 Oh, going in, going into the game? Yeah, as even as you were watching it, how improbable was it as it was happening?

Speaker 1 You know what? I'm going to say, I have to say like four.

Speaker 1 I had them.

Speaker 1 I took the points.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you've been suspicious of Kansas City for a while now. You wanted to do a parlay, right? With division winning parlays or something, like early in the week.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I don't have a good feeling about, I actually said on the pregame show, I was was like, they're going to score like 19 or 20 points. Four and a half is too many.

Speaker 1 I don't know that Bo Knicks can match that. But

Speaker 1 yeah, I was actually a little more surprised at the defense.

Speaker 1 I know Mahomes is getting crap, but I thought Spagnola would have something dialed up so that it was 19-7 in the fourth quarter, but it wasn't. Well, and they just needed a couple stops in the fourth.

Speaker 1 Knicks was,

Speaker 1 you know, I think they'll probably, people will probably overreact to Knicks over the course of the week. He's pretty steady today.
He made a couple big throws and certainly outplayed Mahomes.

Speaker 1 I like this game, though.

Speaker 1 Denver runs it for 21 for 59

Speaker 1 and they still win. I'm higher.
I'm like a seven. Really? I thought they Case scores, they go up 1960 and they're about to kick the extra point.

Speaker 1 And I'm thinking like, oh, why did I worry about the money line? Because

Speaker 1 it was Case three and a half. I was worried about the hook.
Then, of course, Bucker misses the extra point. And he missed the extra point.
I was like, holy shit, they're going to fucking lose.

Speaker 1 It was like it immediately swung the reaction.

Speaker 1 But I was like a seven watching it because I just felt like it was such a huge game for KC. So you don't want to go five and five.
They're five and five. It's nuts.
I mean,

Speaker 1 they're minus 225 to make the playoffs. So people still believe.
But I, you know, I just think the road's really hard.

Speaker 1 I know the schedule is getting a little easier, but they have no room for error now. I think it's not.
I looked at it. It's not awful.

Speaker 1 So the bad part is they have four teams they lost to ahead of them, right? So, yeah, they're minus-a-the-re-re-re-re-220 or something. Is that what you said to make them 225?

Speaker 1 They have Chargers, the Broncos, Colts, Texans, all at home, and then at Tennessee and at Las Vegas. Now, they need they need what uh five of those to make it.

Speaker 1 There's some is there some weird schedule stuff with them, though? Like they have Chris, well, they're Thanksgiving or Christmas, they play on both, yeah, yeah. Um, I don't love that.

Speaker 1 The weird thing is they're 0-5-1 score games, and they were 11-0 last year. So, that's what is that? Is that referees? Is that just Mahomes not having his flare in the last drive? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I guess we'll see.

Speaker 1 So, Mahomes,

Speaker 1 I just don't think he's playing that well. Like,

Speaker 1 it could be one of those things where it's a fun thing to say in a sports talk show.

Speaker 1 He doesn't hit guys on those deep balls. And when he actually does, it's either a pass interference or maybe once a game.
But he had in the first half, he had open guys that he just missed.

Speaker 1 And I think it was three times, two or three times. I think it was three.
But then the red zone stuff has been weird too. Like that interception he threw today was like a,

Speaker 1 you know, that was like a scrub quarterback interception, right? You're inside the 15.

Speaker 1 He didn't realize that guy was just going to jump up and catch the ball. Like Mahomes, this shit wasn't happening with him a couple years ago.
Right. So

Speaker 1 you can't blame the weapons thing because he has weapons. These guys are like, I think good receivers.
He certainly has better weapons than Buffalo does. Yeah, I think so, too.
And you're right.

Speaker 1 And if it wasn't the deep ball, it's the, you know, rolling right, taking a look down the field, seeing if nothing's there. Oh, wow.
He needed eight. He just ran for nine.

Speaker 1 Like, he didn't have the flow. He wasn't controlling the game at all.
So it is, it is strange, but

Speaker 1 what are we going to do? We're going to bet against this team. I wouldn't take a no at plus 190 or whatever to not make the playoffs.
No way.

Speaker 1 Plus 480 for the division, which has to be the biggest odds they've had since Alex Smith was their QB.

Speaker 1 Isn't it weird that they're ahead of the Chargers who are 550, despite Chargers one and a half aim? I mean, they look so awful today. That was the worst loss for a team.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't feel like this is an overreaction. They haven't looked right all year, and you can't blame the weapons.
I don't think their offensive line's that good.

Speaker 1 Like, they have these holdings every single game. There's like one, two, three, four holdings that just they're like crippling.
All of a sudden, it's you know, second and 18, third and 17, because

Speaker 1 over and over again, it seems like their guys can't block.

Speaker 1 They just don't look right to me. And I, and I think they're running out of time here because let's say they're, let's say they get in now.

Speaker 1 I don't think they have any chance to be a five seed.

Speaker 1 No, it doesn't look like it. No.

Speaker 1 So you're in the six, seven seed range, but I just, it's going to be a long haul. They're never going to, they're not going to have a home game for the entire playoffs.

Speaker 1 They're going to have to play every round. They have some older guys in their team, team so there's some injury stuff and

Speaker 1 you know it was the first time i was watching a mahomes game thinking to myself

Speaker 1 i think i think my patriots quarterback would have done better on that one oh you guys with that yeah that's fine just telling me i get it yeah i did it i premiered my uh my sauna instagram uh sauna youtube shorts today I'm just did a quick Mahomes thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did it in the sauna. And then Chris Ryan pointed out I should have called it actually hot takes because I'm hot in the sauna.
good. Yeah.
We've been good. Are you nude? Are you wearing stuff?

Speaker 1 No, no, I wear a t-shirt, which apparently is controversial. Some people don't understand why I have a t-shirt and sauna.
But I like to wipe my face with a t-shirt.

Speaker 1 You don't have a towel? I'll send you towels. I'll get on.
I'm going to get the feel of a towel on the face. I'd rather have the shirt.

Speaker 1 I know it's weird. I'm not the same.
Color's running. Got the ringer green.
That's weird. I got a white t-shirt.
You look like the Hulk coming out. Oh.
Well, all right.

Speaker 1 Let me just say this about the Chiefs. We will bet them at Tennessee.
We'll put them on a teaser. We'll bet them at Las Vegas.
We'll put them on a teaser.

Speaker 1 We'll bet them home against the Texans with money line or whatever few points they're given. We'll bet them home against the Colts next week.
I won't say the line because it ruins everything.

Speaker 1 And then the rematches against Chargers and Broncos.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I feel good about that Colts game.

Speaker 1 All right. I mean, they have played them tough in the past, but they...
You think they get swept by both the Chargers and Broncos?

Speaker 1 Like, I think they'll get, I think there's five wins on this schedule. Here's what needs to happen.
Mahomes needs to be Mahomes again.

Speaker 1 If it's going to be whatever this version is, they're not doing jack shit. Like there's got to be some other extra thing for him.
I think five and five is a big deal.

Speaker 1 Like we always compare Brady and Mahomes. Brady went five and five twice in his career.
It was the first two seasons he was a starter. I think he lost six games once in a season after 2002.

Speaker 1 I think he lost five games in a season like two or three times total. And this is the guy who's supposed to be on that level and they're talking GOAT stuff.
And he's a 500 quarterback this season.

Speaker 1 And some of these losses are his fault. Like that red zone thing killed them today.
I thought their defense played pretty well. You know, I think his receivers are open.
Thornton was open.

Speaker 1 I thought Worthy was getting open. Kelsey was getting open.
Like you can't play in the weapons. So at some point, I think you just lit a fire under his ass.
I mean, he's playing.

Speaker 1 Honestly, he's playing like he's a 36-year-old quarterback and he's 30. Right.
And the one time he feels like Mahomes is on these scrambles because he's still dishing out.

Speaker 1 It's the one thing like he's way better at than Drake May is

Speaker 1 going out outside the pocket and actually putting his body into people. That's what I'm saying.
Drake May's just getting killed. And Mahomes is like, Mahomes knocked somebody in his ass today, but

Speaker 1 I just don't think he looks scary this year compared to Josh. It was like the last three quarters of that game went fucking Kaiser Soze against Tampa.
That was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 We haven't seen Mahomes do that in two years. No, I'll give you that.
No, for sure. I still think they're a playoff team based on the schedule.

Speaker 1 Now that I think they were a playoff team, I thought heading into this game, this was the team I was afraid of.

Speaker 1 And, you know, thinking like with the Pats, I was on a couple Pats threads about trying to figure out the seeds. And if we were like the two seed, oh, fuck, that means we could be 2-7 against KC.

Speaker 1 I don't want to see KC. I still don't want to see KC.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 let's guess the line. Pat's KC.
2-7.

Speaker 1 In New England?

Speaker 1 What's KC's record?

Speaker 1 So KC's like 11-6 or 10 and 7? 10 and 7. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They had to win like Florida 5. I think they put in the Tic Tac.
I think everyone's so afraid of Mahomes in a big game. I think it would be in the Tic Tac one way or the other.
Let's get there.

Speaker 1 That'll be great. Let's just do that.
Listen, it's more fun if he puts the superhero cape on than the guy that is kind of sort of, but not really.

Speaker 1 I just think this whole thing's weird.

Speaker 1 For sure. He's 30 years old.

Speaker 1 He should be peaking, and he's not. And I don't really understand the reason.
And it's not the offensive line like it has been in the past like it's

Speaker 1 we've seen him under seats

Speaker 1 in the super bowl and some other he's not playing well enough yeah

Speaker 1 pats colts broncos win totals all the overs have covered uh the broncos were nine and a half actually they didn't cover yet so they're nine and two it's almost covered right almost um but just to be fair because we didn't talk about denver at all denver's missing a couple guys Denver was in a situation that they've been in six, seven times this year where they actually needed their QB to make a couple plays, plays, and he did.

Speaker 1 They're short on running backs. Dobbins is out for the year.

Speaker 1 And I think that's going to hurt them down the road. But I thought that was an awesome win for Denver.
Like they have to feel, you fall behind.

Speaker 1 It looks like either three or four in the fourth quarter and you just assume the Chiefs, oh, this will be the classic Chiefs winning on the road game. Really good.
They pulled it off.

Speaker 1 It was a nice one. That defense is good.
Maybe we're not, and I know you're right. Mahomes hasn't looked good all year, so it doesn't really, we shouldn't just blame this week.

Speaker 1 But Eagles defense great. Denver defense great today so let's see and i actually thought seattle's defense was really good today yeah they gave up some stuff early but they really uh

Speaker 1 they boa constrictored stafford as that game went along for the conference buffalo is the favorite of plus 380 at least on fan duel colts plus 440 chiefs are third at 5 to 1 denver 6 to 1 ravens plus 650 which is fucking bonkers i can't wait to talk about them and then the Pats are six at seven to one, even though they have a real chance to be the one seed and not even play until round two.

Speaker 1 And if they play, they'd be home. Right.
And they're seven to one to win the conference. I don't understand that at all.
But if you watch their defense closely Thursday, maybe it made more sense.

Speaker 1 I have to take that. Another emotional hedge bet.
That's a lot. But also, I wouldn't, those six teams, I wouldn't be surprised to see any of them in the Super Bowl right now.

Speaker 1 Would you be like super surprised?

Speaker 1 I'd be surprised by Baltimore. I don't think they're very good.

Speaker 1 We'll get to them.

Speaker 1 Actually, let's do it now.

Speaker 1 Next improbability scale, 1 to 10. 10 being the highest.

Speaker 1 Shadir Sanders didn't save a Browns blown lead loss at home to Baltimore. How improbable is this for you on a scale of 1 to 10?

Speaker 1 Wait, what's the 10? You can go minus if you want. One's the lowest.
Yeah, I'll give it a one. I'll give it a one.
It was also a one for me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I lied at Baltimore, so that tells you how much was confidence

Speaker 1 he looked so discombobulated that it actually

Speaker 1 we were texting like does it make sense just to run the ball into the line three times and punt and just have your defense try to win the game versus risking a turnover going backwards all stuff that happened when he was the quarterback he ended up he was four for 16 for 47 yards plus a pick he just wasn't ready for this speed of the game miserable interception he wasn't ready it was like they picked him out of the stands and threw him into the game.

Speaker 1 It was really bad. By the way, Dylan Gabriel, not much better, but at least was,

Speaker 1 you know, not a complete detriment. And

Speaker 1 I mean, at one point, the announcer said, Sanders made one completion. And the announcer was like, well, he is doing what he does best, making plays from the pocket.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I was like, what quarterback?

Speaker 1 What quarterback is like bad in the pocket when they have time? Isn't that like part of being a quarterback?

Speaker 1 He has chat GBT that it's like, I have to say something good about this.

Speaker 1 Positive cop of the here are his stats. He's four for 16 for 47 yards.
Give me a positive statement. I could say like, oh, he does what he's doing from the pocket.
Okay. All right.
I'll read that.

Speaker 1 He literally doesn't do anything right because even the game management, they're down seven. He completes a pass.
There's like 220 left on the clock. Yeah.
And they walk it up to the line.

Speaker 1 It just goes to the two-minute warning. It's like, you might have needed that one.
You're trying to score a touchdown.

Speaker 1 It's try to get one more playoff before the two-minute, but it's just, just he just should not be playing. Do you understand?

Speaker 1 He hadn't. Do you know how many times he was sacked in two years of Colorado? Well, this he was famous for this, right? Told them all too long.
I mean, it was a lot. It was over 100, right?

Speaker 1 It was 93, which is plenty. But, and I'm

Speaker 1 they're not all his fault, but

Speaker 1 50 of them were. Like, I watched a lot of their games.
I like, I watched a lot of that conference. And, like, that's the whole thing.
Yeah, his decision-making sucks.

Speaker 1 And they're just going to feast on him now. All right, granted, he didn't play with the first team.
Yeah. Is the first team very good? I'm not sure, but he didn't play with the first team all week.

Speaker 1 So I guess we'll see next week if this concussion holds out. But yeah, and to be fair to Sanders, we get to watch a lot of bad quarterbacks.
Yes.

Speaker 1 This was a case where it actually swung the game when he came in. Oh, yeah.
Because Baltimore did not play well. They didn't look right.
It's week 12. Next week.
They've shown nothing.

Speaker 1 17 first downs total. Two Lamar picks.
Too many field field goals, no explosiveness. They end up getting the go-ahead touchdown on this gimmick, fake

Speaker 1 tush, but great call, fake tush push. Andrews runs around, runs for like 35 yards, but they don't look like the Ravens at all.

Speaker 1 And that's why the odds are funny because I think people still feel like they're this Ravens team from like two years ago.

Speaker 1 They're not even remotely the same team anymore. Well, they were five.
Favorite to win the division when they were like two and five, right?

Speaker 1 Now they fought back to five and five, and I haven't even checked, but I guess Pittsburgh won.

Speaker 1 So yeah, they're minus 280 like that's a foregone conclusion that they're going to win that division i'll tell you what else is a little off i think harbaugh is a little off some of his question play calling is very strange like as bad as shador was they had i think it was at the eight yard line they kicked a field goal to go down three i was like freaking go for it there like just go for it like what you would you leave shador sanders at his own eight You're going to get the ball back in three real minutes, right?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 there was another, it was another couple of things like that. But yeah, they're not in sync at all on any level.
I mean, I thought Henry would just win that game, right?

Speaker 1 At some point, it was just like, hand off to Henry.

Speaker 1 He'll bust one open soon. Well, their O-line has been so bad.
I almost think they don't trust Henry like they used to. I asked Mallory Rubin, Giant Ravens fan, for her take, and she said,

Speaker 1 The great indictment of the late Harbo era continues even in victory. They routinely come out flat and lifeless and unfocused.

Speaker 1 There's just a discombobulated quality to how they play that feels pretty pretty damning. It all feels so meh right now.
Play calling, predictable, and flat.

Speaker 1 Lame, obvious, runs up the middle, blah, blah, blah. She was just like,

Speaker 1 she's that. All the Ravens fans are like, what is happening? How is this the team?

Speaker 1 We were supposed to be in at least one Super Bowl here in the 2020s. They do not look like a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 That's a team I would want to play in the playoffs because I don't think, unless Lamar is going to have some dramatic athletic recovery. All right.

Speaker 1 I was also a one for that one. Next one.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold fell apart in a huge game, threw four picks and became the GOAT.

Speaker 1 How improbable was that for you on a scale one to 10?

Speaker 1 Still, I would say six, actually.

Speaker 1 I was a seven. He had sucked me back in.
This is the third time he had sucked me back in. One of the picks wasn't his fault.
Three of them were. Right.

Speaker 1 And I didn't like the body language and the look on his face after pick three.

Speaker 1 There was that. It just, you're getting the PTSD from those last two weeks last year.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, their pass rusher was good.

Speaker 1 It's not like the Rams defense wasn't good. No, they weren't.
They weren't that good. He just was a mess.

Speaker 1 This is another thing I want to get better at. I do want to give the defenses credit.
I feel like we did with Denver and with Philly just now. And I want to do it with the Rams too.

Speaker 1 But he really did look.

Speaker 1 Sam Donald looked like a guy named Sam Darnold, like playing quarterback. He was really to a point where you get a lot of text from people: is he throwing the game? Oh, Sam Donald's throwing the game.

Speaker 1 And you know what sucks about like living in this era where there's widespread gambling scandals? It becomes the go-to joke. Well, you could just be, yeah, but it's fine if it's a joke.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, he does look like that. And then you'll have friends like, no, seriously, do you think he's, do you think he's actually throwing it? But no, I don't fucking think he's done it.

Speaker 1 Stop it already. But this is this is the time we live in.

Speaker 1 But yeah, i i was actually but then i was surprised that they came back you're right like seattle's defense stepped up that was looking like it was going to be like 38 to 10 right yeah even at the end you know they the rams actually got a first down after they got the ball back under three minutes left and it felt like oh this is over and then they stopped him again and somehow got the ball back you know, at like the 10 with enough time to move the ball down.

Speaker 1 And even then, like Darnold was going too slow. I almost feel like we need a nickname for his.

Speaker 1 maybe you can redeem yourself from Drake, maybe.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. For him.
He's crappy Alterigo in big games because it's like a fight club thing. It's like

Speaker 1 when Ed Norton had the two identities. Yeah.
But I don't know. Like it's like, oh, it's Sam Darnold that's in here today.
It's, it's blank. Is it, I was thinking Spam Darnold?

Speaker 1 That's good. Or Stan Darnold?

Speaker 1 Or like his evil brother Vic. I don't know.
It needs to be something, but you kind of know it's just not Sam Darn. I think it's spam or scam, I think, right? Scammed Arnold.
That's really good.

Speaker 1 Oh, today he was scammed Arnold. That's great.
I like it. There we go.
Now he's going to the Super Bowl because I said those words. There you go.
Fox

Speaker 1 after one of the turnovers, they played give it away, give it away, give it away. Now, the red-hot chili pepper song.

Speaker 1 I thought that was really good.

Speaker 1 Stafford's MVP case

Speaker 1 took a slight hit today. He was a little favored at it as Fox.
I thought his friend was favored. I thought Allen jumped him.
No, Stafford's

Speaker 1 plus 170. All right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 15 for 28, 130 yards, two TDs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And maybe second.
Are the Rams the best team in the NFL to you now? Because we thought before this game, whoever wins has a stake to the claim, or would you go Eagles?

Speaker 1 I think they're the most complete team. I do.
I think that's a very, yeah, it's a very close game if they play the Eagles, but I think they could hang with them because they're tough.

Speaker 1 And I mean, we saw it last year. They played outdoors.

Speaker 1 They were in it. They were one like overthrow away from tying it, I think.
So in the snow, I do like them.

Speaker 1 I did want to point out, this is a weird time we live in, that the Seattle kicker sets up for a 61-yarder. Yeah, it seems doable.
To win the game, seems doable. Fandu only has the Rams at minus 138.

Speaker 1 Like if you went back in time, like five years ago, the Rams would have been minus 300. You know, 10 years ago, it would have been.
He made it. He made it right before the timeout.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then they did it again and he missed it. So bizarre.

Speaker 1 What do you think?

Speaker 1 What do you think the stats are on that? The guy makes the super long one, but it was called back for a timeout.

Speaker 1 Has the guy ever made it again? No, no. Like ever in the history of football? Would you kick it? I wouldn't kick it the first time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then you're in like a cat and mouse game because they could fake doing the timeout, but then not do it. And they're like, oh shit, they didn't call a timeout.
Oh, yeah. You got to kick it.

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying if you, if you've got, if you see the waving, you know, all that, you know, the play is dead. I would pick it up.
Yeah, don't kick it. Save your kick.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What are the conference odds? If I was

Speaker 1 gun to my head,

Speaker 1 Eagles are plus 230. Rams plus 310.

Speaker 1 I'd probably take the Eagles. I mean, the game's in Philly.
It's going to be in Philly, right? They're just going to roll up wins. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think the East is a much tougher one.

Speaker 1 One more improbable improbable for you. I like this.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen had 45.8 fantasy points today. How improbable is that too? It's going to one to 10.
I went against him in fantasy and still might win. Oh, that's why you've screen grabbed it.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was like, who's going against Josh Allen? Oh, no, it's me. Yeah.
In a week, what I needed to win. 45.8.
I don't remember a QB with 45.8. Because you have to run.
You have to run a few in, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. You need at least two rushing touchdowns.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I would still give that like a four. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I had higher hopes for Tampa's defense. That over-under was just.
They had it, man.

Speaker 1 They got the terrible Allen turnover. Keon Coleman gets scratched this weekend.
Kincaid's not playing. It was all set up for them.
They had the lead a couple of times. They took the lead back.

Speaker 1 Maybe three times, and then Buffalo just kind of pulled away. And then, you know, it's funny because we were blowing Mayfield that first

Speaker 1 month. Just blowing smoke at him.
And

Speaker 1 I just feel like he misses throws sometimes now. He's kind of moved back toward two years ago, Baker, a tiny bit.
We should have a list of quarterbacks we think are injured. I was just going to say.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, could Mahomes be injured? Could Mayfield be injured?

Speaker 1 Could Goffs, you know, I think something's wrong with his head. I would believe if you gave me all the QBs and said one of these guys is hiding an injury, Mayfield would be my pick.

Speaker 1 Baker's number one. Yeah, it's like, oh, he has like a torn labrum or like some sort of really bad injury we don't know about.
Because it also seems like he doesn't want to run with the same zest.

Speaker 1 Right. So like he has like a hairline fracture of his left collarbone or something like that.
But he doesn't. Also, we

Speaker 1 maybe like we

Speaker 1 give a guy like Baker credit who just throws fourth quarter touchdown passes like the, it's nobody's business. And we expect him to do that every week.

Speaker 1 And so maybe the guy who's been traded six times, it's not going to happen every week. Right.
Yeah. It was even, even, it was 21-20 at halftime, Buffalo.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was 26-21 halfway through the third quarter, Tampa. Right.

Speaker 1 It was 26-24. They had the ball with five minutes left in the third.
And then that's when he threw that pick.

Speaker 1 And then,

Speaker 1 yeah, they were up 32-31 with... 13 minutes left.

Speaker 1 Right. They signed Hardman, and he fumbled the punt.
I mean, you're right. It was all Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 it's what mahomes couldn't do like and he was connecting on long passes too like that's stuff we hadn't even seen him do um you know shavers i don't know where ernie shavers came from are we just calling him ernie

Speaker 1 ernie shavers that's my single i my instagram algorithm just feeds me a lot of boxing and please keep keep it coming my favorite knockout that wasn't a knockout was shavers knocking down Holmes and Holmes is just getting up.

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone's ever got up from a more ferocious ferocious punch ever in the history of the Headweight Division.

Speaker 1 He goes, he's dead for a second, and then he just gets up. And you're just like, how did he get up from that? And Shavers can't believe it.

Speaker 1 And then Shavers is just throwing these crazy bombs trying to take him out. Holmes somehow gets out of it and wins the fight.
But

Speaker 1 Ernie Shavers' greatest moment was being the guest referee between Tommy Wildfire Rich and Bulldog Buzz Soil. Oh my God.
Gordon Sully announcing it. Like it's a life-changing event.

Speaker 1 So Tampa rushes for 202 yards.

Speaker 1 They ran the ball down Buffalo's throat. They ran for 5.2 a carry

Speaker 1 and they lost. And they lost by double figures.

Speaker 1 And they lost my Tampa plus 10 and FTs. But

Speaker 1 I think Tampa is the lead favorite

Speaker 1 to host the Shakies game on Saturday. Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 Because it's either them or whoever wins the AFC North, I think, is hosting the Shakies game. Well, it's typically an AFC South winner, but that team's good this year, right?

Speaker 1 That's going to be the Colts, and that might be, I mean, the Colts might be a one-seed. They might not even have a Shakies game.
Right.

Speaker 1 It's not going to be the Pats. They'll put the Pats on Saturday night because they always do.
Right.

Speaker 1 And the Chargers, Denver, Chia, they'll get the night game or something, or they'll get some kind of late game, too. It's like Sunday night or something.
Yeah, Tampa.

Speaker 1 Can I just say? It's like Tampa Green Bay Shakies game. Your freaking team is seven to one is crazy.
I don't think you could put a team that allowed 200 yards on the ground.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't a surprise, too. Like

Speaker 1 the bundo and Heifitz were talking about it. Like this Syracuse Tucker guy, he's going to run for who knows, triple digits.
Like, all right, guys, calm down.

Speaker 1 This is their team right now. Like, I don't know if you could put them at the top of the AFC, odds-wise, if they don't get him as many yards rushing.
It's too easy.

Speaker 1 I genuinely think the Patriots would beat them in a playoff game. I just think we would move the ball up and down the field on them.

Speaker 1 And then Josh would have to basically do what he did today to hang with the Pats. I think there's other teams that would be a bad matchup, but I think Buffalo is a good matchup for them.

Speaker 1 All right, another one.

Speaker 1 Justin Herbert got knocked out of a Chargers game and suffered a possible concussion. What was the improbable skill for you on this one?

Speaker 1 Because for me, it was a one because you could see this coming last week.

Speaker 1 They can't block for him anymore. And he was taking fucking massive hits.

Speaker 1 and there's just no way he's making it through the season i don't think i'll give it a two but i mean your guy kind of plays the same brand the ball doesn't he who

Speaker 1 i can't say his name yeah drake drake maybe yeah i think may gets way better protection than this chargers thing this chargers thing was bad today they these guys were like running 12 like basically running 10-yard dashes just hitting him yeah as he's throwing it uh they're plus 134 on fan duel to miss the playoffs right now And

Speaker 1 I don't see the case for them making it. Really?

Speaker 1 They're seven and four.

Speaker 1 They have Vegas at home next week. So let's give them that one, eight and four.
But then they play Philly, KC, at KC, at Dallas, Houston, at Denver.

Speaker 1 I don't think they get to 10 wins. At Dallas, Houston.
That's two. They should win two games.

Speaker 1 Not if they're going to block like they blocked today. No, I know.
It was bad today. It was bad.
And the injuries are no good and everything else.

Speaker 1 And by the way, you can run the ball down their throats it's not like they have a good defense like i know they have offensive lab injuries but what's the excuse for the defense what was the excuse for jacksonville just demolishing them and it was like

Speaker 1 at the end and tooting they're just like running all over them but i took that game off i i didn't even have that game on a tv by the end it was like 35 to 6.

Speaker 1 there was seven there was seven early games and what would you like the other six all came down to like the last four minutes at least that one was gone i think they some of the networks left it too um yeah i don't know i mean they look good against the steelers though i don't like to react this way right like they what what's what's different about that and yet like every week it's funny i was saying on the pregame show it's we talk about joe alt for like four minutes the guy never touches the ball and yet it does today it really reared its ugly head how good that steelers game though

Speaker 1 rogers was horrible

Speaker 1 Like Rodgers was like Sanders today. Like he was so bad, it almost didn't give Pittsburgh a chance.
And I wonder if that kind of threw people off the scent. I love the Jags today.

Speaker 1 That was one of my favorite picks.

Speaker 1 Herbert murdered my guillotine league. I think I'm done.
I think I'm done. I got like four points from him.
I think you're done, too.

Speaker 1 He was brought into the blue tent and interrogated by authorities for what he did to my fantasy team leading up to that moment.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, the Jags, we got to shout them out in our continuing quest to not just talk about

Speaker 1 one team.

Speaker 1 It's a pretty nice win. They had a terrible loss last last week, right?

Speaker 1 Kind of loss you have that Davis Mills game where your season might crater. And instead, it went the other way.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so now they have,

Speaker 1 what are they? They're seven and four now.

Speaker 1 And what I thought they were doing. But they still have Arizona and Tennessee and the Jets left.
And Tennessee again. Like, they're making the playoffs now.
This is why we like them. I know.

Speaker 1 So, what are they to make the playoffs?

Speaker 1 I was looking, where are they?

Speaker 1 They are

Speaker 1 minus 180 to make the playoffs now.

Speaker 1 So it's not a bad bet. They're just

Speaker 1 such a weird team. Well, if they get to 11 wins,

Speaker 1 then that's at least one of the bars. The Chargers somehow get to 11 wins, which I don't think they will.

Speaker 1 Then that means the Chiefs basically have to get to 11 wins. I just, you know, the Jags gave up 29 points to Davis Mills in the fourth quarter last week.

Speaker 1 You know, it's it's always, I was trying to make a case for them. Like, this is maybe one of the top five wins of all time, even though they beat the Chargers in a great playoff game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then, like, wow, they made the AFC championship three times, but I still think this was better. They almost had us.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And heading in that fourth quarter was like, oh my God, this is it by 10. Did they have you by double digits? They just got hurt by 10.
It was like, wow, Blake Borders is going to end us.

Speaker 1 Last one.

Speaker 1 Jacoby Brissette was 45 for 57 for 452 yards and two touchdowns and still didn't cover any 18-point T's.

Speaker 1 I was at for Improvo. I'm just going with 10.
I'm going to go with a solid 10. The second part is a one.

Speaker 1 Didn't he have 47? Did you say 45? He was 47 for 57 for 452 yards.

Speaker 1 And they had the classic guy about to run in for the touchdown, getting stripped of the goal line. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which I've now bet on that team, I i think all five times it's happened this season i don't know what it is but um

Speaker 1 san francisco's defense is completely fraudulent like completely and that's a team that they're seven and four may and might be a playoff team right well that's a that was our seven seed i'm sticking with that i'm sticking with them their defense is awful Their next four is the easiest schedule in football, and then their last three is the hardest, I think.

Speaker 1 So this was a perfect tune-up for Purdy. And by by the way, they got a lot of calls here.
I think that was like the penalties were like 130 to 15 or something. So they were better.

Speaker 1 They'll push teams like this around. But

Speaker 1 offensively, they look the best they've looked. But they do have, they have Carolina next week.
Then they go to at Cleveland the Sunday after Thanksgiving, which we've now...

Speaker 1 I just don't think that's an easy game. I don't care how easy it looks on the schedule.
There's nothing easy about it. And they also have at Indianapolis and home Seattle end of the year.

Speaker 1 So it's going to be either 10 or 11 for them.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 should Shanahan give Brissette a game ball? Should he like walk to the other locker room?

Speaker 1 I didn't see the press conference, but 47 completions. My God.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a lot.

Speaker 1 All right. I think that's it.
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Speaker 1 Jets, Brown, Tennessee. Miami, Saints, Vegas, Giants, seven.
Arizona, Washington, Cincy. Can we add Cincy? That's 10.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Would you put Minnesota on yet?

Speaker 1 I think I put Atlanta before Minnesota. That was my other question.
What a bunch of people. I think Atlanta is in.
I don't, because Minnesota still plays a couple of these teams. Right.
More.

Speaker 1 I don't know if they are, but I think Atlanta is. Who's fan'll hate Moore?

Speaker 1 Atlanta. They do.
Yeah, they should. They suck.

Speaker 1 And we see every week we say, let's just take them off the ledger of bets. And then

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, they have the second best defense. And look,

Speaker 1 just awful.

Speaker 1 I mean, they ought to be ashamed. If they come close to making the playoffs, which I don't think they will, they got skunked by the Panthers.

Speaker 1 And then the rematch, they gave up 448 yards to Bryce Young. And three TDs and no picks.
Yeah. And Carolina is now a half-game a game back in the NFC South.
Come on.

Speaker 1 What did Debundo say today in the shows? 18-1?

Speaker 1 At one point, the Panthers to win the division.

Speaker 1 By the way, for people listening, our Sunday pregame show, we're now on the Fandos Sports Network. So you can get on YouTube and get on Twitter.
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Speaker 1 A lot of them are either East Coast or the South. There's some in California, but it's a bunch of different markets.
But it's coming out at 11 o'clock now every day. It's a great show.

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Speaker 1 And the Cousins on there. is doing double double.

Speaker 1 Joe House gave out a 50 to 1 winner today with Kenneth Gainwell to score two touchdowns. Come on,

Speaker 1 50 to 1? 50 to 1.

Speaker 1 Wow. Maniac.

Speaker 1 Can I mention a quick Atlanta thing? Sure. Atlanta has been the team that I think has burned us the most this year, or they're in the running.
This decade, yeah.

Speaker 1 They traded next year's number one

Speaker 1 for the 26th pick because they wanted to get the two pass rushers because they were like, look how smart we are. We loaded up on the pass rush.
They're three and seven.

Speaker 1 They traded that pick to the Rams. Right.
The Rams have Atlantis pick, and that's going to be like

Speaker 1 the seventh pick in the draft. Like, what an amazing trade.
They basically gave up number 26, got a second rounder, and Atlantis first.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's a fireable trade. And then basketball, the guy's getting fired.
I don't know how the NFL works. Howie Roseman will steal that pick somehow when no one's looking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, somehow that's going to be on Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 I mean, those pass rushers are good. Their defense is usually good.
That's why I picked them today. But not the, I mean, fourth and four, up 24-19, under two minutes left.

Speaker 1 And Young hits Bryce Tremaine. Like, that's how they're losing these games.

Speaker 1 You could tell that's where I lost my money.

Speaker 1 Why would you bet the Falcons?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. And the Panthers are, what, 360 to make the playoffs?

Speaker 1 They're not making it. The Falcons, they're this year's champagne room stripper that the buddies going, I think she likes me.
Yeah. It's the Falcons.

Speaker 1 Two more things really quick. Mason Rudolph replaced Rodgers midway through an easy Stalers win over the Bengals, and I didn't even realize it happened.
It was on one of my TVs.

Speaker 1 The Stalers game was so forgettable and so kind of blah that I didn't even realize there was a quarterback change for like a half hour. So that happened.

Speaker 1 I also forgot Texans Titans was even happening early and didn't realize until I wanted to get out of the 35 to 6 game and saw there was a seventh game, which I had forgotten.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, Texans Titans had put no thought of it.

Speaker 1 You didn't know it was early? You didn't know it was on the schedule? I forgot it was on. And it wasn't in when I looked at YouTube TV.
I didn't see it. Oh, even they had.
And I just,

Speaker 1 so I did catch the big Cam War drive, which I think was the best moment in his career. But if that doesn't describe that game, I don't know what does.

Speaker 1 You know, when we're talking about like getting alerts on our phone, like House has a thing now, if the Wizards are up double digits in the fourth, we should get an alert on our phone from FanDuel so that we can know immediately.

Speaker 1 Like the Titans were favored in the second half. Like your phone should, it should literally blow up after 10 seconds if you don't do anything about it.
It should shake and then

Speaker 1 last one is Miami in the Europe game, which I'm so proud. Not only do I not bet on anymore, I don't even wake up till halftime anymore.

Speaker 1 Like they can have their shitty whatever Miami-Washington matchup.

Speaker 1 Woke up at halftime, put you guys on, and had the game on the small left team with no, left TV with no sound.

Speaker 1 Miami is now four and seven, and they have New Orleans and the Jets next. And

Speaker 1 I thought I was going to win every Miami under I had, and now I have to sweat out Miami under six and a half. But they had an overtime interception

Speaker 1 where they deferred. Right.
They won the toss at overtime. They deferred in a 10-minute overtime.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 Jordan Brooks, the linebacker, said Jack Jones said before the overtime interception, if y'all stop the run, Mariota is going to throw it to me because he can't throw.

Speaker 1 And then Jack Jones picked off Mariota in overtime after telling his teammates he was going to. That's amazing.
What a show. That's Mariota, everybody.
He's done it again.

Speaker 1 He's still making a history. So maybe he was the worst quarterback today.
Think about it, like how exhausted defenses are in overtime, and they choose to go on defense first.

Speaker 1 They could get another seven-minute breather, you know, if they get the other team gets a couple of first downs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like a special level of being a mediocre to worst quarterback that a team would defer and give you the ball in overtime. Yeah, it's like the number one thing you didn't want.

Speaker 1 I mean, we were doing the pregame, so my takeaways were nobody could score on fourth and goal from the one, and uh, Tua wants to play in Jerusalem now. So that's all I that's all I got from that.

Speaker 1 That's what he said. Miami got stuffed twice on two different fourth and goals, and somehow still won.

Speaker 1 So we have four two-loss teams: the Patriots, the Broncos, the Rams, and Philly.

Speaker 1 And then the Colts, too. No cross side of those.
No. Five two-lost teams.

Speaker 1 And then we still in the East, I mean, I'm sorry, in the AFC,

Speaker 1 let's say New England, Denver, Indy, Buffalo all make it.

Speaker 1 It's four.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, and the Chargers are all six and four.

Speaker 1 Baltimore and KC and Houston,

Speaker 1 five and five. So there's a lot of people left in the AFC.
Why do we, it's so funny. None of those two lost teams are just the ones we're used to.
If I got, all right, the Bills are two.

Speaker 1 The Bills are minus 3,000 to make the playoffs. I want to do a parlay with the Bills, the Ravens, and the Chiefs.
It's minus 102. Do you lose that parlay?

Speaker 1 Bills, who and the Chiefs? Bills, Ravens, Chiefs. I don't trust the Ravens.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't put them in. Who's going to steal the division from them? Maybe the Steve.
Jason Rudolph. The Ravens are trying to tell us they're not good.

Speaker 1 Every week,

Speaker 1 they're really,

Speaker 1 they're spelling it out. They're holding up signs.
We're not that good.

Speaker 1 I'm not seeing any signs. All right.
Guess the Lions. You won last week.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to keep winning.

Speaker 1 You had a good week? No, I don't think so. Okay.
There's some monster lines in here that I did not get right.

Speaker 1 Thursday night is a surprisingly good game. Bills, Texans in Houston.
It's a winner.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen's not going to have six touchdowns in this one, I don't think. He will not.
Houston secondary is very, very, very, very good.

Speaker 1 I'll be interested to see if Texans can run the ball in this game. I have the Bills minus three.

Speaker 1 All right, I get it. I said three and a half, it's four and a half.

Speaker 1 That's too high.

Speaker 1 Sorry, it's three and a half. It moved down.
But either way, I got it. Okay, that's not as high.
Yeah. Three and a half is fine.

Speaker 1 That's a really good Thursday night game. Well, so he'll be back, right? Stroud?

Speaker 1 I don't know. He doesn't play on Sunday.
How is he going to play on Thursday?

Speaker 1 No. I don't know if that's a really good game.
I'm going to play him.

Speaker 1 Sunday marquee game. Pretty obvious.
We're going to KC.

Speaker 1 Chiefs, Colts. Daniel Jones and Patrick Mahomes get to renew the rivalry.

Speaker 1 It's either minus three or minus three and a half. I went with the Chiefs minus three.
Just take it. Whatever you got.
I said two and a half.

Speaker 1 It is three and a half. Okay.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 1 Winnable game for the Colts. I think they can run the ball on them.

Speaker 1 Fresh off a buy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of pressure.

Speaker 1 I actually like that the Chiefs are home for this because I think if anything bad happens, the crowd's going to fucking get very sphincter tighty. Yep.

Speaker 1 Almost would rather be on the road if I'm the Chiefs. That's a really good game.
Great game. It's an early game, huh? Is that an okay Jim game? Getting more of it? Okay, Jim.
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 Okay, Jim.

Speaker 1 Only have two watchables.

Speaker 1 Chicago at home for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Unclear if Rogers is playing.
He had a slight fracture in his wrist.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's his left wrist. It's saying it's some kind of, of, and that's the wrist he uses to jerk off to UFOs.
So I don't even know.

Speaker 1 I could see him not playing.

Speaker 1 I don't know that to be true. It's just a guess.
It's just a rumor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have the Bears favored by three at home against the Stewarts. You nailed it.
I went low.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I went one and a half. It is three.
It's exactly three.

Speaker 1 That's that seems like. You know what this is? This is the horseshoe of the asshole Super Bowl.
Right. They should start marketing it that way.

Speaker 1 It's two teams that have just pulled horseshoes out of their fucking rectums for three straight months. You know,

Speaker 1 and now it's a horseshoe battle.

Speaker 1 Of course, there's like rivalry with Rodgers and the Bears, right? Like, we own them.

Speaker 1 All that stuff, he would say. So it's probably better off the Steelers go with Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 1 No score to settle there. Oh,

Speaker 1 he actually.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. I'm thinking of Trubisky.
Never mind. I'm out of it.

Speaker 1 I think it's fine to get Trubisky confused with

Speaker 1 the other guy you did. I just spent hours with my father.
I'm like, please, why? Don't turn it to a thumbs up. Yeah, we're going to go through the weekend you had in a little bit.

Speaker 1 It's an amazing performance by you just to be coherent on the center.

Speaker 1 Eagles at Dallas, your favorite team.

Speaker 1 I don't know about that. You could be 5-5-1 after this game.
Oh, stop the nonsense there.

Speaker 1 I'm so mad at this line.

Speaker 1 I put this line.

Speaker 1 I fucking rammed it into the Vegas zone.

Speaker 1 Like dead center minus five, Vegas owned it up.

Speaker 1 Well, I said six because that's where it should start.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 one's a very good team that we think is going to win the conference,

Speaker 1 arguably, and one is a team that doesn't belong in either the conference. And it's three and a half.
So you get it. Wow.
I mean, they're full of shit with this. That feels a little too low.

Speaker 1 Three and a half.

Speaker 1 By the way, could I just go as good as the late games were this week? Yeah. Next week, late afternoon.
Browns, Raiders, Jags, Cardinals, Falcons, Saints, Cowboys, Eagles.

Speaker 1 Oh, my lord. If the Eagles go up like 13, nothing.
The poopfect is special. Really bad.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fairly watchables. Only have three.

Speaker 1 Pats at Bengals.

Speaker 1 Bengals.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 It's it's not a good football team. They're not, that's why I love Pittsburgh today.
That defense is just eventually, you'll get to them. 117 points in three games before this.

Speaker 1 This is watchable because their defense allows nice big plays for you.

Speaker 1 I have the Patriots. I so I put some thought into this one.

Speaker 1 I think it's gonna be Patriots minus six and a half.

Speaker 1 What is it? I said eight. It's seven.
Hmm. Why is it seven? You're the best team in the universe.
Why is this since he loses to everybody?

Speaker 1 I think you can throw in the Pats.

Speaker 1 You could throw on them? Oh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just think they can hang around in this game.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's going to have to be flacco. You don't give up 60-yard rusher games, right?

Speaker 1 So it's going to have to be all flacco.

Speaker 1 Jags

Speaker 1 at Cardinals.

Speaker 1 And the Jags are are going to be favored.

Speaker 1 And this is a classic. Let's be careful out there on the Jags.
Trusting them,

Speaker 1 betting real money on them, assuming that they're going to just cruise through this. I would just be careful all the way around.
I have Jags minus three.

Speaker 1 All right, you get it. I said one and a half, and it's two and a half.

Speaker 1 I'm cashing out now. I'm sorry, Jacoby.
Jacoby's my biggest fan in Guest Alliance. I don't like the way this is going.

Speaker 1 Five. You're tapping out? I'm cash out.

Speaker 1 I'm going to cash out, I think. I guess it's the same thing.

Speaker 1 You like

Speaker 1 lots of people. Did you see the UFC fights last night? I missed them.
No, I didn't get to see them.

Speaker 1 No, those two were great. Yeah.
Well, the last two were supposed to like these great championship fights. Just like, oh, you knew in two minutes what was going to happen in each one.

Speaker 1 Just the

Speaker 1 female fight, just domination, and then Islam, just domination. Yeah.
Just domination. The guy is like,

Speaker 1 I just don't know what you would do if you had to fight him in the octagon.

Speaker 1 I don't know what he lulls you to sleep. He does stand up

Speaker 1 and you're like, oh, cool. We're going to do this.
And then all of a sudden, you're on the ground on your back. And you're like, wait, I thought we were doing stand-up.

Speaker 1 And he just does that every round. Yeah.
That's what you're saying. This is like you beat me in guest alliance.
I could see that. I'm Islam.
Yeah. Domination.

Speaker 1 Not good. Packers, Vikings in Green Bay.
And I think this goes in the Vegas zone as well. I have Packers minus five and a half.
All right. I had five and a half also.
It's six and a half.

Speaker 1 You see any teasers you like? New England in Green Bay? Hard to think J.J. McCarthy is going to go into Lambeau and do anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Five Pupfecta games. Never a good sign for the weekend.
Lions home for the Giants. I put that in double figures.
Lions minus 10 and a half. It is

Speaker 1 a half.

Speaker 1 That's the one I have to steal from you. I said 11.
It's 10 and a half.

Speaker 1 You're looking at these ahead of time. You know, you're not supposed to look at these ahead of time.
We do look at these. You guess, and then we check, you know,

Speaker 1 versus your guess. We cross-reference.
Don't look at them. Falcons at the Saints.

Speaker 1 How embarrassing is it that the Falcons are favored in this game? Because I think they are. I'm going to say Falcons minus two and a half.
Oh, come on. That's what I said.
It is two and a half.

Speaker 1 We both get it. Anyone who bets on this game should see a psychiatrist.
I'm not sure. I'm just staying away, except it's probably the best four o'clock game.

Speaker 1 This is go see a psychiatrist if you're betting this game.

Speaker 1 Raiders Browns in Vegas. Yeah.
So this is the Road Browns who are terrible. Oh, is possibly with Shador Sanders.
And I still don't think the Raiders are favored by three.

Speaker 1 I said Raiders two and a half. I had two and a half also.
It is three.

Speaker 1 Is this an FU game for Shador? Like Vegas passed on him like six times.

Speaker 1 I mean, everybody passed on him like four times, but they remember they had like back-to-back picks. I think every game's an FU game for him.
The whole thing passed on him over and over.

Speaker 1 They had that spot where they had like three picks and like added 25. And they, yeah, everybody thought they would take it.
Seems like everybody was right.

Speaker 1 Ravens home for the Jets. This has to be double figures.

Speaker 1 Ravens minus, it's in Baltimore. I have Ravens minus 10 and a half.
Okay, I get this.

Speaker 1 I said 13. It's 14 and a half.
Yeah, that's stupid. I mean, I get it, but I just don't think the Ravens are explosive enough to carry a line that big.
What is the evidence?

Speaker 1 They settle for field goals over and over again. Yeah.
The

Speaker 1 Jets aren't terrible. Like, they hung around with the Pats, I thought.
They're coming on 10 days of rest. They scored and then they were dumb.

Speaker 1 And even against Cleveland, they had two kick returns, pump return, and then they were done. They just, they can't.
Maybe second half is the way to play this.

Speaker 1 Fields is like,

Speaker 1 because you watch him and you're like, oh man, if he was only accurate, he'd be really good.

Speaker 1 I was thinking it's like, if it was a stand-up comedian who had everything except none of the jokes were funny, right, right, right. Like, oh, if your jokes were funny, you'd be fucking awesome, man.

Speaker 1 Everything else is so good. Yeah, right.
And just each punchline sucks. You twist balloon animals like no one's business.
Yeah, like everything looks so good up there.

Speaker 1 The way you handle the stage, like, I like your outfit.

Speaker 1 Seahawks Titans is in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I really wanted to give this the 10 and a half, but I went nine and a half for the Seahawks. Seahawks nine and a half.
I did give it 10.5, and that was way light. It's 12 and a half.
Oh, my lord.

Speaker 1 All right, let me just do something for fun here.

Speaker 1 Count count the wins? No, I lost already, but if you do,

Speaker 1 you're doing a 13-pointer?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because 14-13-pointer?

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Seahawks, Ravens.

Speaker 1 I think you have to do

Speaker 1 the 13-pointer because it's minus 265 if you just take the three favorites there. That's no good.

Speaker 1 That's not going to get it.

Speaker 1 Maybe add the Packers. I don't know.
Sunday night is a decent game in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, Mike.
We finally got a decent game. Rams.
Screw this up, Baker. Rams home for the Bucs.

Speaker 1 I have Rams

Speaker 1 minus six and a half against the Bucs. That's exactly freaking right.
It went up. It was six and it went to six and a half.
I had four and a half.

Speaker 1 You get that.

Speaker 1 Poor Baker. It does seem like a tough game every time.
Doesn't he play in a terrible division? When does he ever play his own

Speaker 1 shitty division mates? Well, this is his first play schedule, right? Yeah. I guess I was just hitting him hard at once here.
So we have

Speaker 1 who the Panthers play?

Speaker 1 Oh, they're on Monday night. That's the next game.

Speaker 1 I mean, Tampa's minus 600. They're just going to keep losing, and it doesn't really matter.
Well, how to win the division?

Speaker 1 If the Rams beat the Bucs on Sunday, the Panthers could be playing for first place in San Francisco on Monday night. A team that you can throw the ball on.

Speaker 1 That's insane. I mean, I was looking at

Speaker 1 what are they

Speaker 1 to make the playoffs, they're plus 360,

Speaker 1 the Panthers. What are they for the division? Division, they're plus 500.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 they're not going to make the playoffs, not the division. Maybe I got that, maybe I got that backwards.
But their games. Sometimes they screw that up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But wait, hold on. What are their, I saw their games.
Now I'm holding this up.

Speaker 1 Whatever. They're not making it.

Speaker 1 There you go. You see? That's it.
See how I did that?

Speaker 1 No, wait a minute. Where is it? I had the whole thing.

Speaker 1 You do? Who is it? Oh, okay. They have the Bucs twice, the Rams and the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 And they're six and five. So they have to win four games.
Bucks twice, Rams, Seahawks. Well, what's interesting is they have the Bucs in week 16 at home and then the Bucs at Tampa in week 18.

Speaker 1 So if they're within a game.

Speaker 1 Oh, so you're saying they could take a wild card? That's interesting. No, I don't think they have any chance to take the wild card.
I think they can win the division, though.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, then the Bucs will play hard that week, that 18. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no. Can't do it.

Speaker 1 I have the Niners favored by five and a half against Carolina. Oh, no, I'm not going to be able to do that.
On Monday night in San Francisco. You get whatever.
It's seven.

Speaker 1 I have five. Don't do the whatever.
Then that makes it less fun for me. I get you.
I don't like when you do whatever's. God, I needed to win three in a row.
You won 11-6.

Speaker 1 And you're up 8-4 on the year.

Speaker 1 Can't have that. Listen, Patrick Mahomes may be be a 500 quarterback, but I'm still good at guest alliance.
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Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he grew up, Jimmy grew up across the street from Cledo. And he had a very cool, he was very cool growing up.
First of all, he played the saxophone like no one's business. His voice was amazing.

Speaker 1 It's standing ovations in like high school and college and anytime he went on tour. And he was like a womanizer at like 10 years old and just a true rock star.

Speaker 1 And Jimmy and I would listen to him like,

Speaker 1 I spoke at the memorial and I was like, it was like an alien going through his fitness regime. Like, we had no idea what he was talking about, tongue-kissing girls and everything.

Speaker 1 And then he's like, he actually is a rock star.

Speaker 1 He, like, toured with Paul Abdul and like Paul Abdul's greatest song, Forever Your Girl, the best part of her greatest song, like, Girl, you know, I love you, and I always will.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Clito, I didn't do you. That was Clito, not on the record.
Clito sang it. But when they were on tour, they would do it.

Speaker 1 And he toured with Paul Abdul and Mark Anthony before Jimmy brought him on.

Speaker 1 And wait go backwards when i don't yeah i don't know how many when jimmy was friends with him yes initially cleedo was a little bit older yeah and you said in your you said in your uh your tribute he was like your mexican fonzi he was like just way cool you guys were just learning every single thing about everything life from him yeah so Three years when you're kids is like 20 years.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Like somebody's like so far ahead in so many different ways.
And he kind of adopts it. Jimmy was following him.
He was a catcher in Little League.

Speaker 1 Jimmy was a catcher he played Jimmy couldn't play the sacks so he played the clarinet but he wanted to be in the band you know so yeah there was that he was super cool I said he had like this beta max because his father who also a great sacks player gave up his career so he could help raise Cledo with his mom in Las Vegas and became a

Speaker 1 a butler in Caesars Palace and became Sammy Davis Jr.'s personal butler because Sammy had known his band and Sammy became friends with the family gave him this beta max and we'd watch old fights on it like you talk about Larry Holmes and all of them, but even like Muhammad Ali was his favorite.

Speaker 1 And it was just everything was cool about him. It was just a rock star for

Speaker 1 his whole life. And I mean, I don't know.
I could tell a million stories, but like I spoke in front of you. That happened yesterday.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 There was a mass and then there was a whole memorial service that was. about as high of a production as you're going to get from a memorial service.
Incredible.

Speaker 1 Jimmy's staff went overboard for three days, did this whole two-hour tribute, had like this 15-minute highlight video of all these different things from the show with Cuedo, and then a bunch of speakers,

Speaker 1 all of whom are great. You did an awesome job.
I was really proud of you. Thank you.
Appreciate it. Michael McDonald came out.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jimmy comes out at the end. It's like, we wanted to get a special musical guest.

Speaker 1 couldn't believe this person was going to come out and do this. I'm just sitting in my seat.
Like, I'm ready for literally any musician.

Speaker 1 And then Michael McDonald, one of my all-time favorites, came out and sang something for Cledo. He sang the song piece.
He was so great.

Speaker 1 And like my cousin Jonathan, who also spoke, he was great, said, like, you know, we're telling all these stories about Cledo and women and his poor wife is there.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it was all before he met her and everything. But she has to go through this and here.
It's not bad enough. But she,

Speaker 1 and we're talking about Cledo. And then he took this girl to a place called the Soak and Poke.
And it's like, and then it's like Michael McDonald coming.

Speaker 1 It was like the, my cousin Jonathan said, like, it was like the adult entered the room.

Speaker 1 He's like, okay, guys, I'm gonna tell you about death and I'm gonna tell you about that and he spoke fondly about clear he had an unbelievable speech it was like just off the cuff this unbelievable speech about life and then he sang a song called peace and yeah um it was like a two-hour thing then everybody went to uh

Speaker 1 to next door to Jimmy's where Jimmy films the show in the backstage. It was like 700 people there and a bunch of our friends catered a bunch of the food like Chris Bianco.

Speaker 1 And it was basically almost everybody who worked for the show in the last 23 years.

Speaker 1 It was really weird, like seeing people like KP, our friends, like just that grew up in the green room and like here they are.

Speaker 1 And it was just like a terrible occasion to gather for, but it was really like your life like flashed before your eyes. Like that, wow, that was like 25 years ago.

Speaker 1 But everybody was just, I know, when people die, it's obviously you're always like, I can't believe this happened. But Plito's 59.

Speaker 1 And, you know,

Speaker 1 what else do we have to to say? Yeah. I mean, I just feel choked up.
So I'm going to let you keep talking. I like this.
I've never seen you vulnerable like this.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, he died on my uncle Frank's birthday and my uncle Frank died on his birthday. Like my uncle Frank died first, obviously.
And so,

Speaker 1 and that's just amazing. And just, you know, it's one of a hundred coincidences.

Speaker 1 And another coincidence is the Cowboys, our favorite team, I would go with him to Oxnard, you know, like, you know, it's not bad enough that we had to watch them on TV an hour and 40 minutes away in Oxnard.

Speaker 1 They set up training camp during the summer, and we'd watch them from behind a fence, and we'd walk away like, yeah, they're going to be good this year. And they were all always bad.
Always terrible.

Speaker 1 Always shaking our heads on Mondays.

Speaker 1 But anyway, the Cowboys are in Vegas tomorrow where he grew up, laying three and a half points. And I urged everyone in the crowd to bet $10,000 on the Cowboys

Speaker 1 because Clito would want it. Like I said, I don't care your financial situation.
Just if you love Cledo, I don't think they'll take us up on it.

Speaker 1 Well, well, his two teams were the Dodgers and the Cowboys. Yeah.
One of them. So he had, you know, he really,

Speaker 1 it looked like he wasn't going to make it a few weeks ago and then kind of rallied back a little bit and rallied back and was watching all those Dodger games. And they had

Speaker 1 an amazing run. They win the World Series.
But,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 some of the stuff about talking about family and how close that family was.

Speaker 1 His dad was, you know, has been in the band the entire time and hasn't missed, was there in the show at the day after he died. It's going to be in the yeah, in the show on Monday, right?

Speaker 1 It's, you know, it's, I can't even look at him, it's just so sad. He is the nicest guy in the world, right? And uh, forget it, forgetting even about the backstory of what he gave up to, you know.

Speaker 1 And then Jimmy brings them together for 23 years. They're playing side by side, but I have to say, it freaks me out.
Just time going by. We saw the montage.
I think you and I talked about it.

Speaker 1 Like, he was a little older than us when the show started. And now he's this little old man, right, in his 80s.
Clito, right? Clito senior. Yeah.
Senior. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, uh, I mean, I can't say enough about those people.

Speaker 1 It's very sad, obviously, of the kids and the wife, and then the extra layer of the parents who were, I mean, this family would, they'd call each other when they weren't working together like every 20 minutes to see how, like, none of them thought the other was a pain in the ass about it.

Speaker 1 That was just how they operated, you know.

Speaker 1 So, um,

Speaker 1 yeah, it was weird talking to different people about it yesterday because

Speaker 1 when we all started with the show,

Speaker 1 I don't know,

Speaker 1 I was 32. How old were you? You were like

Speaker 1 30 or 31. Yep.
We had a lot of people who were in their 20s. We had people in their early 20s.
Like Daniel's wife was 22. Right.
You know, and you see all those pictures. And

Speaker 1 in some ways, it was a million years ago. And then in other ways, it wasn't.
Right. You know, so.

Speaker 1 I want to say something about his dad, but I'm not going going to get through it. So I'm going to move on.

Speaker 1 Let's wrap that up. Want to wrap up Parent Corner? Yeah, whatever you want to do, man.
I try to think of

Speaker 1 some sort of terrible Ben story that I could tell to loosen it up. I don't have anything.
My kids were very upset.

Speaker 1 I think that was their first funeral. And

Speaker 1 they don't like it. They're not fans.

Speaker 1 It turns out funerals are fun.

Speaker 1 We should mention his daughter went up. How old's his daughter? 14, 13? She's like 16 now, Jesse.
16? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 She went up and was and gave a a really great,

Speaker 1 I just don't know how she did it. There was like a thousand people there.
I would have been completely terrified, but talked about, you know,

Speaker 1 I don't know, really talked to Elk. I'm like,

Speaker 1 like you are.

Speaker 1 Like she was like, yeah, you know, it's like, she's, yeah, she's a singer and she's got the bug and they, they had that in common. And,

Speaker 1 yeah, you're right. Let's end this.

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Speaker 1 the band's going to keep going. Quido Sr.
is going to still be in the band.

Speaker 1 Amazing.

Speaker 1 And the show is going to be on Monday. I don't know.
And then you had, you had to prepare. We had.
You had to prepare to speak in front of 1,500 people yesterday.

Speaker 1 You had to host this show that we have, this gambling show in the morning, watch football, and then do this. So, I don't know how you did it.
It's all right.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go to bed for three and a half days after this. That's how I did it.

Speaker 1 So, the irony of all of this is Cuedo, Vegas guy, Cowboys' favorite team, and then tomorrow the Cowboys are at Vegas. That's it.
There's been a lot of weird signs in the last couple of days, including

Speaker 1 Jimmy said there was a rainbow and where he lives this morning, and a whole bunch of weird stuff. His birthday was 823.
So, I am betting, I'm going to hit all the

Speaker 1 weird coincidences of not. 823 adds to 31.
Cowboys, 31 exact points is 11 to 1. So at least do that if you're not going to bet the 10,000 on them.
I feel like the Cowboys will win tomorrow.

Speaker 1 I do like it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's wrap it up.
Thanks to Gahal and Eduardo as well.

Speaker 1 Thanks to you, Sal. Good to see you.
Good job by you as always. Good job by you, buddy.

Speaker 1 I wanna see them

Speaker 1 on the way some

Speaker 1 I don't have

Speaker 1 a feelings with them

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