My Thoughts on the Conservative Civil War | Episode 79

So guys, Matt Walsh is trending yet again.

And this time it is because he has done the unthinkable.

Matt Walsh has had the gall to call for unity on the right and refuse to betray his friends.

So as you guys probably know, Matt Walsh is no stranger to controversy, whether it is over little things like his refusal to drink raw milk and how disgusting he thinks it is or the work that he has done to eradicate gender ideology.

I mean, he has faced controversy on every single scale, but the ridicule, the scrutiny that he is facing online right now, I shouldn't say ridicule, it is far more aggressive than that.

The scrutiny that he is facing online right now is probably the most ridiculous outrage that he has ever faced.

And it is simply because he said that he wants to unite the entire right wing, flaws and all, and that he will not cancel his friends to do it.

And I think we all know why people are so angry.

So let's just dive right into this because this entire conversation did not just start 48 hours ago.

It goes back to right after Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Now, Matt made multiple posts basically saying, we as a political party of political ideology need to put our squabbles aside and work together to defeat the violent left-wing radicals.

And he said, I cannot, quote, unite with the left because they want me dead.

They will spit on my grave when I die and laugh in the faces of my wife and children.

There can be no unity with such people, but I will unite with anyone on the right.

I hereby discard any grudge or personal feud I may have had with anybody on my side.

Maybe we will pick up those arguments sometime in the future.

Now, we have to stand together.

And he posted that just two days after Charlie was assassinated on September 12th.

Now, most people agreed with Matt's sentiment.

This post got six million views.

People were supporting it.

They were saying, yes, this is exactly what we need to do moving forward.

We need to stand together against this.

This is how we should honor Charlie is by uniting.

I agreed with the sentiment, but there were some people online who were very angry about the idea, specifically because there are certain people on the right that they do not want to unite with, aka people like Nick Fuentes or Alex Jones, Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, even Megan Kelly.

Now, one of these people who was so angry about this post was James Lindsay.

Now, for out of context, in case you do not spend the same amount of time on X that I do, Matt Walsh and James Lindsay have been going back and forth over different issues for months at this rate.

And also, just so I'm putting it out there, I have never spoken with James Lindsay.

I have never met him, I don't think.

We have never interacted, but he apparently does not like me either.

I have stumbled upon multiple comments of his condemning me.

We can talk about why later, but I just wanted to put that out there.

Anyway, this is how James responded to Matt's post.

He said, have fun with your new friends, Matt.

Now, people were shocked by this response because if there was ever a time to say, hey, guys, you know, we're putting it aside for now.

It is all water under the bridge.

At least for now, let's all work together.

It would have been after Charlie was shot, but not for James.

And so then Matt and James started going back and forth yet again.

And James went on and he made his point even more clear.

He was saying that it wasn't really about uniting or not uniting with Matt Walsh.

It was about who else he would have to be on the same team with.

He said, if I take your olive branch, Matt Walsh, who and what do I have to stop criticizing?

You're glazing Fuentes.

Is that an example of what I'll be required to shut up about for unity?

Now, the thing is, Matt Walsh was not glazing Nick Fuentes.

I don't think Matt Walsh has ever glazed Nick Fuentes.

The thing that James is referring to in this tweet is when Matt was defending Nick from the ridiculous accusations that Charlie Kirk's assassin was a griper and that Nick Fuentez was to blame.

This was an idea that was running rampant, especially in left-wing circles, in the mainstream media.

I think a late-night host, it might have even been Kimmel, blamed Nick for this.

It was ridiculous.

And in my opinion, Matt is a very good and just and fair person for defending Nick in that instance.

But again, James didn't see it that way.

Somebody else commented and said, I don't understand this, James.

He said he'd be willing to unite with anyone on the right.

You're on the right.

Why do you still have an issue with him?

I'd really like to discuss this in October.

You know how much I respect you and I respect Matt as well.

And James responded and said, he means people like Fuentes.

I'm not on the right.

The right threw me out.

Like, sir, are we having a pity party now?

Like, is this what this is?

Somebody else replied and said, you should actually engage in conversations with him instead of these stupid online skirmishes.

You guys should actually talk.

And James responded and said, no, we should not.

He's like, no, I don't want to.

I'm done.

I know, I know exactly what he's requiring me to do.

I don't want to be involved.

That is basically what James was saying in response.

to Matt.

Like, I'm sorry, but Matt calling the right to unify is not about you, James, aligning with Nick Fuentes.

It is much bigger than that.

You aligning with Nick is not what Matt is lying awake thinking about at night.

He is thinking about avenging the death of his friend Charlie Kirk and protecting conservatives from violent people on the left.

That is why Matt made these posts.

That is the unity that he is calling for.

And Matt laid all of this out in an episode of his podcast.

Just take a listen.

Now, I can tell you where there should be unity.

There should be unity on the right among conservatives.

And this is a message that I've

preached a few times in the last few days on X.

That as conservatives, we need to put the petty squabbles and the infighting and all that crap to the side.

We can get back to that later.

We need unity among conservatives.

Now, there are some people who've already turned down this invitation.

James Lindsay, for example,

when I tweeted this a couple days ago, he said, he told me no thanks.

Doesn't want to unite.

Doesn't want to stop attacking people on the right.

Which even after Charlie was assassinated, that's all he's been doing.

Just still going after,

still.

Not saying anything about the people who would actually be

pissing on his grave if he were killed.

No problem with them.

It's just going after the right.

And that's fine, too, if that's how you feel.

It's like, fine.

I'm just done with you in that case, forever.

We're not allies.

You don't exist anymore.

You're irrelevant.

If even now, in the face of all this, after one of our most important leaders has been shot and killed on stage in front of us by a deranged LGBT militant, if even now you still have an appetite to spend your time punching right, then I have nothing else to say to you or about you.

I mean, that's the beauty of Matt Walsh.

He does not pull punches in the slightest.

And I love him for it.

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Now, back to the issue at hand, this same conversation about unity involving Matt Walsh came up again after Politico broke the story about the young Republicans' group chat.

Now, Matt's take, which is similar to mine, is that there are simply bigger issues at hand.

These are people in group chats who, based on my understanding, were trying to make edgy jokes with their friends.

It was leaked by a trusted person over a young Republicans' leadership squabble, is what I understand.

Like the whole thing just seems like ridiculous and embarrassing, but still a non-issue in the broader political landscape, especially what we are facing in the wake of Charlie's assassination.

Now, Politico took that story, they took those messages, those few messages out of like 26,000 that they had to comb through, and they ran with it as a way to distract from the fact that elected Democrat officials routinely call for violence against conservatives, just like we saw last week with a Virginia Attorney General candidate.

They do so publicly.

openly and no it is not a joke this is not done in group chats even with last week it was done over text and yet that candidate continued to say i'm not joking i actually mean that those are not the same now if you don't believe me let's just take a look at some of of the rhetoric from last weekend's No King protests that happened from around the country.

Recently, with Charlie Kirk being assassinated, they're a piece of garbage.

Of course we were mean.

I am so tired of people saying, oh, but, you know, it's a terrible thing.

No, Hitler is dead.

I'm glad Hitler's dead.

Hey!

All right, so what you just saw in those two videos is number one, a woman not apologizing for being mean, mean about Charlie Kirk's assassination, equating him to Hitler.

And then you saw a woman making a gun gesture to her neck.

And she was doing that at a Republican counter protester.

And guess what?

By the way, she is a public school teacher.

Shouldn't even be surprised at this point.

Other examples here, Libs of TikTok posted this.

Photos from Denver's No King protests.

Quote, Charlie Kirk had it coming.

That is a sign that was outside of the Denver communists booth.

And then these two individuals had shirts on that said, make assassinations great again.

She posted, Democrats want us all dead.

This is what we are fighting against.

This is what Matt is saying.

We need to be united against.

Now, in response to all of this, and specifically in response to the Politico story, Matt expressed his take and his feelings about the entire thing in a Daily Wire live stream that happened last week.

And Ben Shapiro pushed back, arguing that what people were saying in the group chat was worth condemning, it should be talked about, it should be a bigger story.

And from there, they had a back and forth on the live stream over what right-wing radicalism or extremism is and if it is really worth fighting against.

And Matt said this: When we talk about sort of the quote-unquote radical elements of the right versus the radical elements of the left.

These are not exactly the same thing.

The radical element of the left denies basic biological reality.

I mean, you're militating against these basic realities that we all understand.

That's not happening on the right.

There is no equivalent of that, of someone saying that men can have babies.

Like that's, there's just no, there's no exact equivalent of that.

So again, Matt is staying consistent here on what he's talking about.

He is saying, these people want us dead.

These people are defying biological reality.

This is what we should be fighting against.

This is what I want to unite with people over.

I'm not going to concern myself with these other ridiculous stories that are being used to distract us.

And this created a whole other conversation and firestorm online.

One Daily Wire super fan even said that Matt had gone rogue.

This is from Queen Mom Bethany and she said, Matt Walsh wouldn't be running rogue if number one, Jeremy was at the office or number two, Ben was at the office.

Jeremy was the glue at the Daily Wire.

I just hope it's not too late to fix things.

All right, so let me just try to understand here.

You're saying that Matt has gone rogue because he is saying things you disagree with and you want him to be controlled or muzzled by people who employ him.

And you believe that this is the way Daily Wire used to be run or how you want it to be run, how it should be run?

I'm sorry about that.

That says a lot.

Seth Dylan seemingly sub-tweeted this whole debate, the whole firestorm, and he wrote, you should be willing to lose friends for the sake of what is good and true.

And friends who can't tolerate honest correction without treating you as a traitor aren't really friends anyway.

I'd argue that they are holding you hostage.

And from here, all hell broke loose because Matt responded with this.

He said, I understand your position, but I consider loyalty to my friends to be one of my most important principles.

It always has been.

I don't denounce my friends or join in dog piles against them, ever, period.

Not because I'm scared to, but because I consider it an act of treachery.

Disagreement is one thing.

Obviously, debating your friend publicly is totally fine and healthy, but in my case, I can say I have people screaming in my ear, constantly demanding that I actively denounce and condemn friends.

I mean actual friends, like people who I've shared a dinner table with, and I just won't do it.

Some things are meant to be handled privately.

Loyalty matters.

Other things matter too, but loyalty matters.

When someone I know personally, who I have helped and supported, who would call me on the phone anytime, chooses instead to condemn me in front of the world, I consider it an unforgivable betrayal, and I won't do it to anyone else.

And the more that the mob demands that I do it, the more I am sure that I never will.

I mean, it's incredible.

It's incredible.

Matt has a lot of great tweets under his belt, but I think this might be my favorite.

And I don't think we really need to dance around the issue here or be vague.

The friends that people want Matt to denounce or speak out against are Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.

And this seems to be a common trend these days because just a couple of weeks ago, Megan Kelly was asked about these same friends, and this was her response.

Now, as for my decision to platform Tucker, too bad.

Too fucking bad.

I love him.

We're friends.

I don't think he's an anti-Semite at all, but I don't really care.

I think Tucker's a very important, valuable voice in the national conversation.

I'm thrilled.

I don't know her.

I don't really know her that well.

Although I will tell you, we recently had a very nice exchange before all this.

And I was just reminded in my own head that Candace is a young mom of like three young kids.

She's under a lot of pressure.

She's got a big show.

She's, she's been under attack

since she came onto the public airwaves.

And she's been under attack constantly.

And I...

It's my prerogative if I say to myself, that is not someone I wish to attack.

I do not feel that way.

I don't want to do it.

And I felt this way.

And now that people have made my attacking her the stakes of my relationship with whatever person is saying this, I'm going to have to say goodbye to that person.

I won't do it.

Now it's like a point of pride.

It's literally the same thing as the BLM folks trying to make you raise your fist.

The answer is no.

I mean, that is a perfect analogy, in my opinion.

And I love Megan for saying this.

But from there, because this is the state of the internet in 2025, people started dogpiling onto Megan, saying that now she is the dangerous one.

She's becoming radicalized because of the sentiment.

We all need to be wary of Megan.

You know, what is Megan doing?

And all of this is incredibly ironic to me because all of these conversations have been amplified by Charlie Kirk's assassination.

They are arguing over what he believed, who he chose to platform, and who he was friends with.

And people are obviously emotional in their grief, and I understand that.

Obviously, I empathize with that.

They are emotional over their thoughts on hot-button issues like the conflict in Israel.

and Israel's relationship with our government.

Now, I really don't care about all of that back and forth, nor do I have a stake in any debate about Charlie.

But from what I have seen, you can't say that Charlie didn't value the kind of loyalty that Matt is discussing.

I mean, this is what he said about Candace just shortly before his death.

She's a great friend.

You know, look, I don't agree with everything Candice says, but you know what I don't do?

I don't stop being friends with people just because people morally blackmail me.

I don't do that, and you shouldn't either.

Look, I have different views on things as Candace.

I have different views on Israel than Candace.

I have different views on a lot of geopolitics.

But honestly, I traveled the country with Candace.

I went to her wedding.

I saw her meet her husband.

I went to Israel with Candace, which is a fun story, I'll tell you at some point.

But what I don't like is when people demand, you must stop being friends with somebody.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

That's a left-wing tactic.

Don't do that.

I'm not saying you do that, but other people do that.

We should never resort to that.

I mean, this is the kind of unity that Matt is talking about, that he is being attacked for relentlessly.

And this kind of sentiment is why Charlie was so beloved.

It's something that people have been talking about at length after his assassination.

The fact that he truly was friends with everyone, that he wouldn't bad mouth you behind closed doors, that he would try to see the good in everyone.

He would try to understand you regardless if you disagreed.

He saw the value in working with people who might disagree with him, who were on the right and shared many of his values.

Like that was one of the wonderful things about Charlie.

That should be a huge part of his legacy.

And the key line in that video is that he would not be morally blackmailed.

into attacking his friends or canceling his friends.

And that is exactly what is happening to Matt Walsh.

That is exactly what has been happening to Megan Kelly.

And that is what they are very publicly pushing back against.

It's also what has been happening to Brandon Tatum and his wife Corinne, who are longtime best friends with Candace Owens, and yet they vehemently disagree on the topic of Israel.

And yet both parties refuse to attack each other.

When it's brought up, they say, you know what?

Candace is off limits.

Brandon is off limits.

He's a brother to me.

He is a sister to me.

Friendships are bigger than politics.

And I massively respect them for that.

Now, needless to say, I agree with Matt and Megan and the Tatums, but you might have, you know, already gathered that, considering that I have not stopped being friends with Candace regardless of the comments that I've gotten.

And that is probably why James Lindsay tweeted that he was so disappointed that TV USA was inviting me to speak at their conference this summer.

Like, I genuinely...

Can't think of another reason because again, we have never interacted to my knowledge, so that must be the reason why.

And I also want to put it out there that I am not trying to insert myself into any kind of drama, but I thought that it was important to speak on all of this because I do know and I have worked with some of these parties very intimately.

So no, I will not stop being friends with Candace Owens, who has become like a big sister to me because the internet demands it.

I will not attack Matt just because I no longer work with him or because the internet has decided to pile on to him for the 27th millionth time.

I also will not pile onto attacks on Ben Shapiro's character because he was nothing but kind and supportive of me during my time at Daily Wire.

And that is a fact.

I just won't do it.

And if you have a problem with any of that, that's fine.

But I would urge you to consider something that Matt also posted about this.

He said, what annoys me is when people claim that I must denounce so-and-so or say such-and-such because it is the principled thing to do.

They haven't even considered the possibility that perhaps I have different principles than they do.

Those might be your principles, but they aren't mine.

One of my most cherished principles is loyalty to family and friends.

It might not be yours, but it is mine.

So when you accuse me of not having principles, please be sure to stipulate that I don't have your principles, and that is true.

I'm not you and you aren't me.

You might want to consider that on occasion.

And so if you are angry with Matt, if you are angry with Megan or me or whoever for continuing to be friends with somebody who goes against your values or pisses you off on a daily basis, again, that is fine.

That is your prerogative.

It simply means that we have different values.

And guess what?

It is a free country.

That is the beauty of America.

And another thing that I want to say is that friendships in the public eye, especially with politics, especially in 2025, when everything is a hot button issue and tensions are so high.

These relationships are complicated because everyone thinks that they know the full story or the extent of your relationship.

And these days, if you don't condone someone, that automatically means that you align with every single one of their values when maybe it just means that you value them as a friend, that you have history, that you adore them.

Or in regards to what Matt is saying, it just means that you want to unify as allies against a far bigger, more significant threat than the things we are arguing over on a daily basis.

And so all of this to say, The attacks against Matt Walsh are ridiculous.

And obviously, I am biased because I know him, but I will tell you, Matt Walsh is a good man.

He is a loyal friend.

He says what he believes, and he will always fight to do so.

I have seen it myself.

He will always fight.

So, feel free to continue to tweet at him.

Feel free to leave all the comments you want, but I guarantee it will only make his convictions stronger.

So, be prepared.