Elon Musk Baby Drama & Fake Trad Wife Accounts Exposed | Episode 8

We need to talk about the conservatives on Grindr.

I don't care. I've always said this.

Half of this country is bisexual.

My favorite story is that you got a cease and desist from Beyonce.

Oh, yes, I did.

My hopes for young people is that they take more control

of their own narrative in their life.

I'm not going to let anyone stop me from

becoming the best version of myself.

I know what my ancestors went through.

I know what my papa went through.

I know there's a big-ass tree out in your front yard.

More than likely have Michael Lucas and Swinging from it.

Amir!

I'm here. I know what my papa went through.
I know there's a big ass tree out in your front yard. More than likely have Michael Lucas and swinging from it.

Amir, thanks for coming on the show.

It's all right.

I'm so glad to be here.

It's very different than my last interview, we were just saying.

But that's what I kind of wanted.

I wanted to shoot the shit with you.

How is your YouTube channel going?

You're crushing it.

Thank you.

You're amazing.

It's insane.

We just crossed, I think, 550,000 subscribers, which is just mind-blowing to me it's unreal i'm just so just grateful for the support out there and just to be able to share my opinion and it's heard and it's respected and it's very fun and i love the fact that you for people who don't know your story you blew up on youtube first right like back in 2020 for your video like i'm a black gay man this is why i don't fear the police instagram instagram instagram i thought that you made a viral youtube video it was all instagram i did make some youtube videos but then i just took them down because it was just yeah but mainly went viral on instagram okay the reason i thought that it was youtube and then you like came back to youtube but no you were always huge on instagram that's how how I found you. Yeah, through Instagram.
And then March of 2023 is when I posted my problems with the gay community. And three days later, it hit 1.5 million views.
Crazy. 40K subs, and I have not let my foot off the gas fence.
It's horrifying, but I mean, it's rewarding. It's fun.
The best thing is like texting you and it'll be, you know, an ungodly hour of the night or I'm like ungodly you know hour of the morning and you're up editing the video that you shot the night before you literally do everything yourself everything and I have some help that I can like go get but I don't know it's just always ends up me just doing it just Yeah. Just late at night.
What has that process been like?

Diving into something that you like, this wasn't a career for you.

Before this, you were working in.

Marketing.

Yes. A mortgage company.

Yeah.

Completely different.

And you've had to teach yourself all of this.

It's been fun.

Because at the end of the day, I thoroughly enjoy marketing.

I love the editing.

I don't mind listening to myself and putting the pieces together because it's so much fun just knowing that i'm having a sort of impact on our world yeah because it is getting a little crazy out there and in terms of sharing my views on various all topics and generational issues but specifically black and gay issues it's rewarding because i know that it's just being received in such a good light i don't know as long as i'm enjoying'm enjoying it, I'm always going to have fun with it. So like from the editing to the scripting to the just cutting on the camera just talking, every little bit of it is just so much fun.
I love it. And I'm so proud of you.
I do think since you brought up the Black and Gay community, we need to talk. We need to talk about the conservatives on Grindr.
Oh my gosh. This is an insane thing that Amir tells me about.
And I was like, we finally need to sit down and talk about it so we go to like you know various events conferences whatever amir's favorite thing to do is to don't you like a burner grinder account or something we'll like go on grinder just like look at all the empty profiles of people like trying to hook up with other guys these conservative events everyone's gay it's dramatic every i promise you i don't care i've always said this half of this country is bisexual i don't care half of this country everybody is bisexual like i don't know how to put it like no one else has that data other than gay men like gay men know out there there's lots of straights doing things on the down low and you can see that in the apps like you can download any app you can go to any rich neighborhood any conservative town conservative conference it does not matter you can go on any gay app you're gonna see blank profiles a bunch of husbands out there just having fun on the side which just feeds into this whole you know hypocritical i don't know why i said it that way but the hypocritical nature of so many people in this movement which i feel like is just on full display right now yeah and it's like people are free to do whatever they want in their life and more power to you you have the freedom as a consenting adult to do whatever you want with your life but it's ridiculous to espout one thing online and then not only to espout it but to shame people for something and then you're doing it on the down low that's the biggest frustration from i've always said that trans women yeah trans women have more balls than conservative men yeah because at least trans women, they're trans women, you know how they feel, you know what they want, you know what they're doing. Conservative men, you have no idea what they're doing, how they really feel, their inner thoughts.
It's all just a big mystery. And that goes into the gay topic of more people are identifying as gay.
and I do think that sometimes gay can be kind of like a social contagion and it's being spread. I feel especially for girls.
Yeah. Especially for girls.
Like, from my perspective, it's just you're also seeing the decline of men cheating on their wives with other men. You're also seeing a decline of people just living their life in the closet.
I think it is just a mix of, like, like just doing it for clout i think a lot of the issue why a lot of people are becoming more gay because it's just fine to be gay yeah more people are just okay just admitting that but at least not on the conservative side because again all these blank profiles and everybody out there just doing it it is insane yeah it's the saying one thing and doing another did you see the whole patriarchy hannah scandal on it no okay. Okay.
So this is like not the same thing, but sort of is. So there's this woman and she went by Patriarchy Hannah on X and she was a non-account.
A non. And she was like super trad, had this husband, Tony.
It was crazy. So like I was going through her account and I was like, how do people believe that this is real? First of all, because she would always post about how her husband was this contractor and they had bought an abandoned town somewhere

in the middle of the country and they named it Tony Town because her husband's name is Tony so

they would joke about Tony Town and Tony had this like tiny little Twitter account but this woman

Patriarch Hannah was allegedly 37 years old with 14 kids that she had adopted homeschooled all of

them being a good submitting just wait just wait like submitting to her husband Tony living in

Thank you. old with 14 kids that she had adopted.
Homeschooled all of them, being a good submitting. Is this real? Just wait, just wait.
Like submitting to her husband, Tony, living in Tony town where they had like moved their whole family. She also said that she had been sex trafficked as a child, had like survived lupus, I think all of this stuff.
So that's why they had adopted these 14 kids. So she would post about this all the time.
She would be in Twitter spaces at like 3 a.m. And there were a few people who called out like, this is kind of odd.
Yeah. Like you have 14 kids and you have time to be on a Twitter space at like 3 a.m.
It sounds like Elon. Bit odd.
Let me go on. Somebody has time.
But he's not spending time with any of his kids. This lady is like pretending like she's being some like homeschool mom so all of this is happening meanwhile she's shaming other women for not being as trad as her and not just this was not an account that would just post things like this is what i believe you know traditional marriage is because there are those accounts i follow some of those and it's like you know they're frolicking in the fields and their sundresses sourdough whatever the trad aesthetic that's fine this woman would literally be in people's replies and quote tweeting them kind of like pearl-esque but on the other side of the aisle of like literally attacking women and shaming them and saying like you're not christian enough you're not biblical enough you're like i'm just your husband must be disgusted of you all of this stuff and it created this whole like veil of shame but she had also created this entire community she had a discord women would dm her and they would like become friends and because she had said that she had been sex trafficked all of this stuff they would like so dystopian they would open up to her all of this stuff she never shared a real photo of herself and she always she would give people her phone number but she would never get on facetime and some people would be like guys again like i was saying like this.
Like, why? Like, this doesn't add up. And everybody else in the trad community would be like, oh, you're, you know, jealous of her because she has it all together.
Anyway, finally came crashing down this guy named Ryan Duff, or Duffy, I believe, on X. Did a whole expose on Valentine's Day, exposing her.
She has no kids. She's not married to Tony.
All fraudulent. She lives with her parents.
The photos that she posted of their home was various different pictures from different Zillow listings. The one photo that she did show somebody was from another woman's Facebook page.
She lives with her parents and apparently has done different forms of like porn. And so she was like collecting like memberships from people and like giving all of this advice.
And so the entire like trad community on right wing Twitter, which just feels so dystopian of me to be like even saying that like this niche community on right-wing twitter broke apart like all hell broke loose because they were like how could how could somebody be saying one thing and doing the other that's actually insane yes and it speaks to so much more of like you were saying the hypocrisy yeah of so many people especially not like cater to the right but a lot of people on the right who say one thing online but do another thing on the side.

It's everywhere.

It's on the left as well.

The left is hypocritical in a nation.

We've talked about that.

And I think in attacking the left and calling out the left,

we probably have ignored some of that on our own side.

Yeah.

And so I think there's kind of a reckoning with that,

which is the same thing with the Ashley St. Clair Elon pregnancy pregnancy which is a whole can of worms and a lot of different topics but people were very quick to like pull up her old tweets where she was saying i want to just have like a husband and two kids and live on a farm and like talking about single motherhood and all this stuff and shaming people for like you know having babies in broken homes and this that and the third and it's like unfortunate and i feel for her because I think she's probably locked in some like insane deal with him.
And she's dealing with like postpartum hormones. And I'm sure that she felt like stuck.
So she did what she had to do. But it's also like sort of, didn't you know what you were? She wanted this.
She tweeted out talking about how. Oh my God.
Yes. That she with Greg Price.
She tweeted at Greg Price saying like, I need Elon's info so i can have his baby or something like that yes and then he was like oh well he already has like a woman and kids and she's like well she hopped she was like well he hops through women anyways so you knew what you were getting into it's like i want to feel bad but then i can't like you're a grown woman you knew what you're getting into you've been it's apparent you've been plotting this for years maybe it didn't turn out how she wanted maybe she wanted like get mary get the bag and have the kid at home yeah i don't know why you would think that with a man with 14 children and four baby mamas i don't i don't know um i was telling you before how elon is literally the quintessential uh african-american dad he's like my father never came back with the milk and he's just gone he's gone from all the children's life it's so unfortunate and the other thing is like if you read the second new york post article which first of all everybody was saying like go ahead go ahead i know i know i want this privacy i'm not trying to shame this woman i'm really not i'm not trying to be shade i'm not trying to like be mean but like you can't sit here and say you want all this privacy but then like you're doing like pieces with new york post it doesn't make sense that's why a lot of people were shaming her at the get-go from that first post and i was i didn't feel that way at all i was like hey if you know people are hounding her and she wants to get it out there i'm sure there's a lot of pressure especially with this guy who's like so wealthy and so powerful and is apparently like not returning any calls doing whatever like what's going on when it took a turn for me was when her pr person made a statement from his personal account oh did you see that no like in the same like canva layout made a post from his personal account this is ghetto it's fitting african-american family this is this is it just like it got so weird. And then immediately the New York Post thing came out.

And then there was a second New York Post one where she's like, she feels jilted for

him not responding.

I'm like, just make the post and just shut it down and walk away.

Walk away.

That's like also with like apologies.

Like don't apologize for anything.

Like put out what you believe.

Say what you want.

Say it with your chest.

And then just like walk away.

No apologies.

Put out what you want.

Say it with your chest.

Or like just don't say anything at all. Like Beyonce.
she doesn't say she doesn't say anything we need to talk about beyonce how many country beyonce tours are country don't start it is it's country enough so that i haven't listened to it as much as the other albums okay how many shows am i going to this year yeah or is that what you bought the cowboy boots you were texting about yeah are you gonna wear the like daisy duke shorts or you're gonna wear asses traps you know the deal no not really just my boots and black jeans and a black shirt how many did you go to last year like seven six six six shows okay for people who don't know you're obsessed with beyonce could you give me your brief thesis for why you love beyonce why i love beyonce is merely just because i grew up listening to her music that's it I just grew up listening to her music there's videotapes of me I have to find it for you I'm like three years old my mom's like who's your wife and I'm like Beyonce like it's just been a whole life thing and like she has different songs that just mean so many different things and I can listen to some songs to break down crying like you've seen I just start crying listening to a song it's incredible i think at some point you should have a full compilation of like baby amir and then like you in the pit at all for concerts like just working doing backflips and then sobbing yeah i do do that too you do it's like a spectrum of there's like lots of tears and breakdowns and dancing this is my favorite artist because literally you go in my car, it's 90, I would say 95% techno in EDM.

And then 5% just straight Beyonce. And that's it.
Yeah, I'm going to have the tattoo. You got to give your lemonade tattoo.
The best album. My favorite story is that you got a cease and desist from Beyonce.
Oh, yes, I did. From Beyonce and Coachella.
Because... That's so impressive.
Long story short, ran this fan page website, and we would take her live audio performances and recreate them and make them into live albums, but she wasn't doing it. So somebody had to.
It was going fine. Obviously.
It was going fine. But then we beat her to the punch with Homecoming, the album that's on Spotify right now.
And yeah, we made it a before and we got hit with the season assist like hey sees all operations like i appreciate you being a fan but like this needs to stop and so we stopped it and then a year later just came out with the identical album but i feel like when you got that letter i was like does she know who i am yes i was like okay wasn't this carter when did she call you out at the concert last summer that was louisville yeah big moment sobbing sobbing so all my friends they've been on like 50 60 plus shows yeah so yeah it's my favorite artist i just love her so much i love it it's like the best part of the amir lore yeah that and jamal i know you haven't brought jamal out today i thought you would with the elon thing i know jamal's gonna come to come out at some point. I know.
Well, going back to the Elon thing and the fatherlessness, the other thing that stuck out about the Ashley Sinclair was that while she was pregnant, and this makes me feel for her, but also I'm like, if you were, because I think they were actually in a relationship. I don't think this was an IVF.
Like, I think there was based on. They're actually like dating and together and.
on the one of five New York Post articles that came out that I read.

They met through Babylon Bee the night they met.

He had slid into her DMs.

They were talking.

Look at that face.

I'm just like, ew.

He's old.

No offense to anybody who's in their 50s, but sliding into a...

Exactly.

Somebody, yeah, 25-year-old.

DM's 24 at the time, I think. Half your age.
Yes. But I mean, have you seen...
What is his name? Is my husband here? Alex? Bill Belichick? Is that his name? Belichick. That is the former coach of the Patriots.
Boom! God, I know sports. Sports.
Sports. That's like the famous, like, Tom Brady era coach.
Have you seen... He's like 70 years old.
Have you seen his girlfriend? No. Do I want to? Yes.
It's like a former, I think like NFL cheerleader or something like that. She get in the bag.
I ain't mad at it. I know.
So again, it's like, it's weird thinking about, but also people go for it. This is like a tale as old as time.
Yeah. So you have to nerd, playboy, all that kind of stuff.
Yeah. So do it.
Go after your bag, whatever. Just know what you're getting into.
And this is not a man that is going to prioritize a nuclear family. He's never said that is something he prioritized.
He wants to sow his seeds, sow the crops. That's why I can't feel bad.
I know. Because how, at least maybe with the Bill, is his name Bill? I'm pulling up a picture.
Don't worry. The Bill dude.
I don't know his backstory, but maybe that is what he wanted. Whereas with, oh my gosh.
Yes, sir. Man, she's bad.
I know. She she's like i got that chick done and maybe bill was probably clear that that's what he wanted yeah but elon is so public facing it was clear that you weren't gonna get a stable man no he's trying to repopulate mars obviously i cannot feel bad yeah even if you thought it was gonna be relationship and like Why would you and you've seen like there was a whole his first divorce which by the way he married a woman justine winter she still goes by musk so justine musk they have five kids together one i believe passed away at like two weeks old which i think really fractured their relationship which is really tragic story but they were like college lovers that was a weird way to say that but like they fell in love in college got married they had a very very public divorce she wrote an entire op-ed about their divorce and like apparently the famous line is that she was like crying or something and she was like I'm your wife I'm not your employee and he said if you were my employee i would fire you and i got a divorce so that's one part of it and then grimes which like grimes they got married i think they got married or they were engaged or something there was some more commitment there most stable that yes that he's had yes or at least like going into it seemed so at the get-go but throughout ashley's pregnancy grimes has been tweeting they've gone through this whole custody battle she's had to deal with the same thing has had to publicly tweet at Elon saying Elon let me see my son this is like not appropriate you're not responding to any calls her mother got involved Grimes's mother was yes on Twitter like you think Diane is crazy Grimes mother was like i'm in it this blows my mind like two months before ashley gave birth if musk was anybody else i feel like conservatives in the right would be like shaming them non-stop yes non and so that's why the response was to ashley's post and i understand that it was very nuanced i'm not gonna like comment on something and be like like this is like you know you're getting into whatever and a child is a blessing regardless and i hope that the child is healthy well nothing but for the best but for that child yes and i hope that everything is resolved for her sake and for the child's sake i hope that everything is great i hope that they get the privacy that the child deserves and that her other coach ashley has another child with um i think her ex-husband so for both of those children all i want is the best i think that's what most people online want but it was this weird thing where it was like some was very clear that they were just saying, hey, I'm glad you're okay.
I had no idea that you were going through this. I hope you had a healthy pregnancy.
You know, hope you're doing well. Hope the baby's okay.
Congratulations. But then there were other people who were basically just like crawling up Elon's ass because they didn't want to like, they won't criticize him.
And I think that you can, you should be able to pull out somebody's accomplishments and say, obviously, we both drive Teslas. It's like you are an amazing innovator.
You have changed the course of mankind seriously. You are now intimately involved in our political system in a great way.
In my opinion, Doge is like the best thing that Trump is doing. And I mean, it's like the libertarian's dream.
It's like it's brought everybody together, truly. And that is incredible.
But you should be able to separate that and be like, okay, those things are great, but also we can criticize him for being like, this is not traditional. It's not healthy.
I wish more people could do that. Yeah.
Kind of separate, not so much the art from the artist, but just realize how much good Elon has done. Like you can be upset at some of the things that he's doing in his personal life, sure.
But it reminds me of all the leftists that are just so angry at anyone driving a Tesla, doing all these crimes to Cybertrucks. But it's like, at the end of the day, you got to credit with credit to do.
Yeah. Is Elon the best person? No.
However, when it comes to, I don't know, North Carolina having no internet, who's going in there giving them all internet? It's amazing. It's incredible.
LA fires. Who's going in there and giving all of LA free wi-fi yeah he's a humanitarian on so many levels and is i think in my opinion is using science the way it should be used i'm not a big fan like the neural link stuff but in terms of using the things that he has created that are moving human kind of technology forward and that he's the first person there he always beats beats the government.
He is incredibly, incredibly generous with what he offers for free. Like, that's incredible.
And so I think it's fine. It's good to say that.
But you also, because of that, you don't need to, like, excuse his behavior as a father or say that it's, like, fine. Or those, like, the, you know, patriarchy bros or whatever you want to call them on X who are like, this is what a real man does.
This, like, doesn't commit woman and so does a seed. I'm like.
That's disgusting. They're like, it's Genghis Khan.
Was Genghis Khan a good person? That screams you're gay. That's what that screams.
When you're over here like, oh, that's what a real man does. Leave with a woman.
Because you probably want to be with other men. Like you're literally just.
Is this the new theory is Elon gay? Oof. That's a mirror.
That's going to be my headline. I mean, given that it's mostly the kids through IVF.
But I also, there's probably more considering that based on the New York post article that he wanted his name taken off the birth certificate. Oh, so I think there are other ones.
I can't with this baby daddy drama, baby daddy drama, baby mama drama. I just wish more people just acted sane, took care of their own lives, took care of their own mental health, took care of their families, and just progressed to a better world.
Profound. He says he wants to profess a better world and repopulate the earth, but how are you going to do that having 13 kids and all these broken-ass homes? Yeah, and money does not equate to a stable family.
Money does not replace a father. You can have, you can easily have, you know, a mom and a dad, but not a mother and father in a home.
Yeah. Hello.
We learned out okay. Yeah.
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But no, I think that you're absolutely correct. And it's unfortunate that all of it is playing out publicly.
I say speak out of two sides of my mouth, and I always do this because it's like, it

probably should be public.

But since it is, I'm going to fully enjoy it.

I'm going to enjoy every single second of it, every single comment.

I feel like Wendy Williams, which I also want to talk about.

Wendy Williams, I feel like, was kind of before my time.

So for people who don't know, she was this like daytime host, was like famous for like

pop culture, but also like family drama.

It was like crazy tea.

I was watching like Candace is all over my TikTok.

I'm like a Joan Rivers, if you're familiar with her.

Like a black Joan Rivers that was just like catty and messy, but like super popular.

Yes.

And her show, she always had the craziest things on it.

And she all, like her favorite line was like, allegedly there are things on,

because she would say insane stuff that was like not confirmed at all.

You don't want to get sued.

I know.

There are like 10 minute compilations of her on YouTube.

Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

Allegedly, allegedly.

Yes.

Allegedly.

So that's Wendy Williams.

She was put under conservatorship and is locked in a...

It's not a rehab place.

It's like a brain...

A bougie jail?

Yes. In New Yorkork city she has not

left for over 30 days has not seen the sun she had this business manager i think and i don't remember if it was her former one or there was a new person but somebody was making purchases on from her account on her behalf then they were like taking the money and spending everything yes and she also some context that my good friend candace phoned over to me is that because she knows everything about all of the celebrity gossip somehow was that wendy had gone through a divorce it was apparently like very traumatic and she had kind of her life had evolved into drugs and alcoholism and she was doing a lot of reckless spending so apparently she was spending a lot and then there was some other spending that was not accounted for right and wells fargo with the help of this new business manager that she had been assigned to said this isn't normal and they including wells fargo allegedly put her in this conservatorship because of the way that she was spending her own money that's the part where my little ears conspiracy ears go up. I don't know how that is allegedly real.
I know, I know it's real, but I don't know how. But they have the power.
They have the power. That's why so many conservatives have been freaked out for so long, rightfully so, like Bank of America, you know, canceling accounts.
They do have the power to do something like this. Oh my gosh, yes.
Remember the truckers in Canada, they like shut down the accounts. See, I get that, but like, aren't you allowed to go go broke so that's why it doesn't make sense exactly so i'm like did she sign something with their paper whether just like with our manager yeah the business manager control if something happens to me mentally like you can go ahead and like take care of it like if we're seeing so many celebrities like go broke like how did this one celebrity not go broke what was signed what was happened what was done and how did they get put in the conservatorship the other thing is that allegedly her son her son is apparently involved in this yeah she's now called out her son her son spending a hundred like a hundred thousand dollars on a boat yes and for the birthday and and that ticking off part of the wells fargo stuff yeah but apparently they were just together because wendy was able to get out and go see her dad's like 94th birthday or something yeah but that was like proved that was before 30 days ago because she said that she hadn't been outside for 30 days but and then the other thing is that i don't know if it was her pr person or like a family member or whatever but they leaked the story that she was in like a comatose state that she was like mentally not there and that she like Alzheimer's something was basically dying.

And all of these like very unflattering photos of her.

I do remember the weird photos and her like stumbling and stuff like that.

Yes.

And so everybody was like, oh my gosh, Wendy, now it makes sense.

What's going on?

But then she popped up last week doing an interview through her bougie prison.

She was on the phone with this guy, which by the way, I would kill to do an interview like this.

I just think it would be hysterical.

She's standing up at the window, slapping on the window like i'm in here crying and everything yes and but then the best part of that interview they're like talking about the conservatorship that she wants to get out all of this stuff and then he asks her like random questions about celebrities because she hasn't been able to like comment on celebrities in so long and he asks her about j-lo and she just basically for like 30 seconds just goes so hard on j-lo for all of her awful marriages that sounds like something wendy i know it's great so she's back so she's i listened to that and i was like oh she's all there she's like crazy as usual like wendy she's the queen of just throwing shit i mean allegedly yeah the queen of throwing shade the queen of being messy i used to watch her a little bit because it would always be on like when i come home from school now seeing the conservatorship and stuff all the stuff like that it is concerning because one half is like how did that happen other half is like how do i make sure that doesn't happen to me and so yes in so many of those conservatorships it seems like they go in one way and exit another britney spears britney had issues beforehand never really came back from the shaved head no but part of the conservatorship, there's a difference between a guardianship and a conservatorship. I would know this, unfortunately, due to my family, the fact that I'm involved in a guardianship.
Not mine. I am somebody's.
But with a guardianship, you can't make somebody, you can't force somebody to take meds. You can't force them to do, you know, any kind of medical treatment.
You are just there to be a support system. You can access to their medical records if they are an adult you're there to basically like provide the safe boundaries that they need like a godparent yes but like legally yes like make sure they're good they're safe to go yeah if they need things doctors call you whatever you can advise and you can like push and if you need to like push the state to make things happen you can but you don't have full authority over this individual's life with a conservatorship they can make wendy take drugs they can say yes they're like you cannot leave this facility we will medicate you like this with britney spears that's why there's this huge conspiracy which feels real to me that she was medicated to the point of like no return the anti-psychotics like they will ruin your body it seems like a but just go on her Instagram.
And then there's this whole argument of, like, should she have been – like, there's a lot of people, especially on the right, who are very against Britney getting out of her conservatorship. And they were like, so many things happened after the fact.
But it was like, was that because she got out – What happened in there? Yes. It's just crazy.
Yeah. I don't think many people know the effects of antipsychotics.
I mean, it is like the most intense drugs, and why would they? But it's like the most intense drug that you can take. I've watched my brother was tweeting about this recently because a lot of people were talking about SSRIs.
You know, RFK Jr. wants to expose SSRIs, wants to do exercise on them, which I think is very, very healthy.
And antipsychotics are like a step up, obviously, from that huge leap up. It's a very difficult thing to watch when somebody relies on those meds but you know healthy and antipsychotics are like a step up obviously from that huge leap up it's a very difficult thing to watch when somebody relies on those meds but you know how disastrous they can be like my brother has had like full body paralysis from these meds he has lost the ability to like speak and write and whatever because of the side effects i mean it's like in every single one not even just that but you add on all those layers of all the side effects and what the drugs can do but like not leaving the house and like being in a jail yeah that alone covid hello yeah covid drove so many people crazy being stuck at home okay now compound that with all the drugs you're bound and it's very rare that you only take antipsychotics usually it is a cocktail of other things cocktail and it's just to 20 pills and there are no lifestyle changes that was the thing i was talking with alex about the same thing that frustrates me with the whole antidepressants it's like you shouldn't be taking that as okay this is what's gonna fix me forever you should be doing if you are on that it's something you should be taking those but in conjunction of like changing your lifestyle habits Yeah, and that should be the medical industry's responsibility to encourage that.
It's something you should be taking those, but in conjunction of like changing your lifestyle habits.

Yeah.

And that should be the medical industry's responsibility to encourage that.

And I think that's the main point of what RFK is doing in regards to SSRIs is like this should not be step one.

There should be other conversations that happen prior to that about your lifestyle, about

the things that you're doing.

It's covering a symptom.

Yeah, exactly.

It's like someone takes Tums for heartburn instead of figuring out what's giving them heartburn. Yeah.
I mean, you see videos of women after they give birth in hospitals and like the food that you're doing it's covering a symptom yeah exactly someone takes tums for heartburn instead of figuring out what's giving them heartburn yeah i mean you see videos of women after they give birth in hospitals and like the food that they're given which is disgusting and i think about the food you know my brother i don't know if i i think i talked about this recently on a live somebody had asked me about reed that's my brother and i was talking about him because he had been in the hospital for three years straight. Wow.
And part of it was like on the tail end of COVID.

And he, so we couldn't see him and we didn't have access to him.

But like thinking about the foods that he ate, like there were no lifestyle changes.

He was in a hospital for three years with these incredibly, incredibly high powered drugs with awful side effects and no lifestyle changes. And now that he's out, it's like you're having to – And that hospital food does not look more nutritious.
No. Well, it's not.
It's like I look at it and I'm like, he spent three years and nothing changed. It was like that was prime opportunity in a confined – and I hate saying that – but a confined controlled environment of like this would be a great opportunity to encourage change, almost force it in a way because you're there.
You might as well. Yeah.
And it's just a missed opportunity for sure. Okay.
Talking about insane families though. I need to go back to Elon Musk for a second.
Do you know about his dad? No. His mother is very cool.
May Musk. Yeah.
Former model. Fantastic.
Like very supportive of him. Beautiful.
Seems very supportive of all the baby mamas. Like Siobhan who's the most recent.
Actually not most recent because of Ashley but like second to last. Yes.
Like she posts pictures of the kids and May's like oh so sweet. Whatever.
Like my angels. Whatever.
So that's cute. The dad.
So he and May get a divorce, marries another woman who has a daughter named Jana.

I believe that's how you pronounce it.

He gets in a relationship with his former stepdaughter.

They have two children together.

Elon Musk.

Yes.

Who has children with who?

Elon Musk's father has two children with his stepdaughter.

And he's a South African politician. tree he's a south african politician

it makes sense when you put it all together like this man was what age did they get married and stuff i actually don't know should i look it up like it's just like a whole like this sounds nasty it is it's like like woody um woody allen why can't people just just leave other people alone well they are leaving each other they're keeping in the family what in the 1500s i'm so over this and all these yeah he was 45 and oh oh my gosh wait no this is crazier he was 45 he married 25 year old heidi raised her daughter janna from the age of four that's what i was thinking raised it and then in 2020 and 2014 reconnected years later oh no and sparked a romantic relationship after he helped her quote get over a breakup no this is the case for the fbi yeah errol musk raised janna visited out from the age of four you know what it's like don't so now my i mean i think i already had this opinion look at elil musk it's like if you're getting asked out by him if he's saying i want to like apparently he like slides into girls dms and it's like want to have a kid like want to help me want to revobulate you know that you're not getting the king of the nuclear family not an engaged father scale back even more the evidence is all there what pisses me off is that by all means, like you can have your own viewpoints, whatever.

Like we treat each other with respect.

It's fine.

But there's so many people that find issue with me being a gay male.

That's literally minding my business with my husband, my dog, working, traveling, not bothering anybody.

And straight people are out here wilding, acting a fool, having 13 kids,as repopulating the earth creating broken a home it's like why am i the issue i'm not bothering anybody i'm not doing anything to nobody i'm minding are some gays a problem yes we're getting that the whole like that's why it's not about the sexuality it is about the individual and the insane choices they make across the board we should be able to say this is insane behavior this is unhealthy this is inappropriate don't do that around kids a lot of straight people just call it the same behavior but to get on me just for being a gay male it's like actually wild when the sheer amount of straights act in a plumb fool yeah i'm sorry it's just well i feel like you also end up in a unique position and you can talk about this of like you know you are a gay conservative and there are a lot of conservatives who do not you know respect you and your lifestyle choices whatever you're doing even though you are minding your own business doing you doing your husband um sorry but you also don't identify with lgbtq no because they're also insane they're insane and i remember when i came out when I was outed out of the closet and after sent to conversion therapy the whole nine, I flew out the closet. Like, I thought I had to be what I was saying, what gay was on TV and what I thought it was supposed to be.
Like, I have to don't look Ryan Deere. I have to, like, love all the drag queens and act super flamboyant, this, that, and the third, when it's okay to just be yourself.
You know, there's so many other gay people out there who don't realize that they can just exist like a straight person. You can just be yourself and it's fine.
And it's frustrating now where you were seeing the rise of people just like not caring about gay people. And now like the hate is going up because of the TQ+, and they're just tacked on to the whole LGBTQ plus community.
And now- Hearing everybody in bad rap. Being tagged along with like all these like trans kids and drag queens in schools i have nothing to do with that nothing at all i'm minding my business a lot of gays are a lot of the lgb which is sexuality and then a tq plus which is identity you're telling me they're separate then separate them why am i being tagged along about this and it is interesting being like having like my viewpoints but also being gay and then like at the end of the day I'm always pissing off somebody like which is why you're so great because you don't care and the other thing that's wonderful about you and your content is that regardless of the hate that you get you always approach things and you've been a great influence on me and I think you're always somebody who I like go back to and I like tapping that because you are kind of lodged in the middle of all of this stuff.
Is that you approach everything with genuine empathy and looking to understand rather than change minds. Yeah, that's my biggest thing is I want to make sure I'm meeting people where they're at.
I'm not going to act like I wasn't there. I'm not going to act like I wasn't in the streets marching with blm crying as delusional as that was like i i get it now that they're crying i thought my life was a danger being a black male my anxiety was at all time high because i really thought i was gonna get shot and killed by police and i'm more likely get struck by lightning than shot by a cop and like in terms of being gay like i always thought that i had to be a stereotypical of being gay it's sure i may still have my lisp and my hands flying my limp is wrist flying everywhere I get it but you don't have to jump into this whole like gay community and I don't care what hate is thrown my way I'm always keeping in mind that we are in a better place and there's so many people that act like we're not and it's so frustrating on both ends from the hot button issues in America black and gay on the black side of it's like, I know what my ancestors went through.
I know what my papa went through. I know there's a big ass tree out in your front yard.
More than likely have my little cousin swinging from it. Let's be real.
I'm not living in that life right now. I'm genuinely not.
There's so many bones underneath us of my ancestors that that's out here on this plantation. And to think that I'm going to sit here and bitch and moan about how bad America is and how racist it is.
That's so disrespectful to them. When I'm their dream, I get paid to talk to a fucking camera.
They couldn't even speak. Like that's ludicrous.
And then on the flip side of being gay, my uncle died in the AIDS epidemic in the 80s. Like, he went through all that horrible stuff.
You couldn't even be out. And that's why I say, yeah, being gay is rising.
But also, I'm not getting killed for being gay. And that was a thing back then.
Like, that was a thing of, like, gay people actually marrying lesbians. And they were living their separate lives.
But they were a couple together yeah no those are coming back i mean we i'm that's like a whole there was this couple that went viral like two months ago and it's this gay man and a lesbian woman and they're like yeah we're getting married and they are they said they're soulmates but they're also attracted to each other i see how i'm making a video now now reacting to Michael Knowles and being surrounded by the LGBTQ and he said that if you are gay, maybe you still should get married. Like, no.
But yeah, I'm always just going to keep it being real and keep being like coming from a place of empathy. I was once there.
I get it. It's frustrating, but it's also frustrating to know the sheer amount of pain and turmoil that people who, literally me, black and gay, went through and act like I'm still going through all that heart and crime.
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Do you think the victimization and the need for attention, especially with the T's and the Q's, which is the LGBTQ community in general, comes from a place of like a lack of confidence? I think it's a lack of confidence and also wanting to join the club because i feel like every generation has their own thing yeah like the goss the emo scene like the myspace scene like in 2006 7 now we're seeing like being non-binary and pansexual and it's like it's like a club almost we'll put on these identities like it's a costume yeah literally well they like a literally do. And it's like you immediately join.
You immediately get to be a minority. Which is special.
Yeah, it's special. I'm part of a club.
I'm discriminated against. But I do wonder if that comes from a place of.
I just did a whole episode about like Gen Z loneliness. And millennials and Gen Z's are, especially Gen Z, are historically isolated, historically lonely.

And every generation has been lonely.

But it's like with COVID, with the insurgence of technology and the fact that we were literally raised online, it's just very different.

And all of our social norms are completely disrupted by this technological revolution.

It's totally been lonely.

And you find your group.

It's LGBTQ community. And people want to join that and be a part of a community because they're so lonely.
And that's why so many people diving to the non-binary is the easiest thing to do without doing anything. You can be non-binary and still be a straight woman.
Except I have a friend, old friend of mine from L.A. who went so far as to get top surgery, left bottom microdose to physically be it's hard I know and it's just like heartbreaking at that point that's where I do understand like body dysmorphia is real yeah but how common it's becoming is very concerning especially with the rise of people detransitioning yes and with it being the immediate solution rather than going back to the SSRIris of like it's the band-aid solution but it is a band-aid solution you can't come back from it's not like i mean therapy that's crazy yeah affirming because if you feel therapy to talk through something you're not talking through anything you're guiding me down it's how do you like that isn't that sounds crazy because up until just a couple of years ago this was in the DDSM as a psychological condition, something that you would work through, obviously.
Because if you are – like 20 years ago, if somebody came into a therapist's office and said, I want to cut off my body parts. I want to cut off my ding-along and my boobs and whatever, that would be like, oh my gosh, let's handle this.
And let's figure out what is the root cause here. and let's help you because that's not healthy nor is that you know just you know you can't have a fulfilled good healthy life if you're walking through hating yourself and wanting to cut off your body parts these kids are just gay they might be gay but they're also kids going through puberty no one likes puberty that's why the the amount of kids who transition transition the majority of them are girls.
Then when you put up puberty, puberty, I mean, I don't know. I would assume puberty for girls is way worse than puberty for guys.
Well, I'm sure it's like they're bad in different ways. But again, nobody likes it.
But for girls, I think that there is this like your body's changing. Some like develop sooner than you.
I remember being this like weird, weird ugly duckling and i matured faster but i was like a a green bean and i had this awful like bowl cut with bangs and i looked so ugly and was so weird but i was like tall and suddenly i was like developing and it was everything was so weird i was like i just want to cover up and this is so awful and it's so uncomfortable and i was like sort of getting attention from guys but also not and there were girls of my age that were like voluptuous and like engaging their sexuality and everything is confusing especially with the growth of social media and you see these 15 year olds that are make up made up to the nines and not even just like pageant queens of you know whatever when you kind of do that was a caricature literally look grown are getting boob jobs before they're 18 all of this stuff it's completely destroyed childhood because at 15 you were silly child yeah puberty is supposed to be awkward it is supposed to be uncomfortable it is an awful time and we have taken these kids who are obviously uncomfortable in their bodies yeah and it's like oh you're trans you can pause it you're fine yeah you can pause it pause it whatever that's the sad part is all these kids being taken advantage of rather than holding their hands through it and going you're going through what every other human being on earth has gone through and i feel so bad i feel so bad for all like again like the young gays because even for me when i found out i realized that i was gay and physically i was like damn am i supposed to So I knew girls like dudes. I was like, oh, maybe I am supposed to be a girl.
And that, to me, it's almost like these parents that are transing their kids, that's the real homophobia. Because instead of saying, hey, maybe you're just gay, let's wait till you're an adult to make some changes.
You see a flamboyant boy or a boy that's gay like actually like you're a girl let's go ahead and completely change you let the kid and they also want to be part of the community yeah in the club in the cloud you get like the celebrities yeah the celebrities who are like oh all my daughter you know i have two trans daughters and all their friends are which celebrity is that that has all the trans kids is that celine uh oh no um charlie's theron is that one no no no no brad pitt's kids that are trans no actually well that is actually a great example okay so brad pitt angelina jolie their daughter shiloh dressed up major tomboy dressed up as a boy for years every transition everybody always wondered she reminded me of like myself like she had this like bowl cut she would wear like big baggy cargo pants whatever randomly like a year and a half ago maybe she showed up at a premiere with angelina in a full dress looking absolutely stunning and they let her grow up they let her grow up they let her grow through it dress how you want i feel like if that was i take that what was happening put that in today's time frame maybe would have been trans yeah or like put on puberty blockers but instead just let the child be like just yeah explore through life and boom the person that i was thinking of i don't remember i know who you are thinking of with like where all of their kids are trans but the one that i was thinking of is the red-headed woman from sex in the city and she has i think like two trans kids and then she was up speaking after trump was elected she was like i like these friends you're attacking them whatever like holding on to this microphone crying she's like they're all like yes dwayne wade used to be alex's favorite basketball player and now he's like he had burning all of his drain wade jerseys there's this family on youtube i think that they might be in the uk and it's this dad i know i know what you're talking about yeah dad and the little tiny boy little weird not even a little weird it's 100 and you've watched it like four years. It's been documented from like the age of I think two.
Yeah. Obviously because the boy had a bigger sister and was following what the big sister is doing.
Yeah. Which is fine.
Whatever. You're a little boy and like you have a son.
The son has an older sister and like playing with the heels or getting dressed up. Whatever.
It's at home. But to put that on TikTok.
Yeah. Make a YouTube blog.
And make yourself the center of it. of it that's the way i mean all of it is weird like putting your kids on like whatever but the dad is like that money yes and loves the attention and you know all of the like thunderous applause it's disgusting amazing dad and you're so you're like i wish my father had been like you and you're so included whatever and it's like you are literally groomed down the pathway yeah of transitioning instead of just living it's almost like if i had to choose between like a non-binary and a trans it's like almost choose non-binary okay with all of this stuff going on in the world and you talk about it on your channel all the time but what are your hopes for young people right now with all of this freaking insanity my hopes for young people is that they take more control of their own narrative in their life and they don't allow themselves to be led by all means i'm very appreciative of support i'm sure you are too and i'm grateful that people trust me and you know watch my channel come for me for news whatever it may be but that they even fact check me that they're thinking for themselves and that they're not allowing themselves to be led by any mainstream media corporation institution influencer doesn't matter i want everybody to think for themselves get the news for themselves and at the end of the day really understand why they feel the way they feel don't regurgitate some talking point because you heard it online don't say i feel this way because brett thinks this way because amir thinks this way be with that way for yourself if it's on par with me sure like that's great i love that or let it be like a launching pad is always what i say like or a touchstone yeah like let it motivate you inspire you but understand and know why you feel or think a certain way because for so many years i grew up it drove me to the brink of depression of being

just told you're black you have to act a certain way you're gay you have to act a certain way and that wasn't me and it's still a problem now in today's age of oh you're not black enough you don't have your black card and you're a coon uncle tom is that and the third none of that matters literally just I just want more people to just be themselves and understand that they are allowed to do that.

Whether it doesn't matter your race or

sexuality, but

specifically... Literally, I just want more people to be themselves and understand that they are allowed to do that.
Whether it doesn't matter your race or sexuality, but specifically for black people out there, gay people out there, you don't have to subscribe to the narrative of, oh, you have to be a Democrat. Oh, you have to be part of the LGBTQ community.
You can just be you. How do you get the confidence to block out a lot of that and block out that pressure and the the noise from people that want to box you in because i know at the end of the day people are going to talk crap about you until the day you die it does not matter where you're at in life people are going to talk crap about you adding to that it's like there's this element of like i don't know when it came to the point of me taking my own life I had to sit there in that moment and really think how am I

gonna sit here and not be who I want to be not be my authentic self not you know

express my views just because someone else doesn't want me to when there's

clear examples of people out there in life doing exactly what they want to do

if someone could be super rich and come crashing down to be super poor, if someone's super poor can get their life together and become super rich, not necessarily that money matters, but that just shows me that you really can be anything you want to be in this world. And so the confidence just comes from just knowing that it doesn't matter.
I don't know how to put it. It really does not matter what anyone else thinks about you.
As long as you're not hurting anybody, like causing physical harm to yourself or others, or not like, and you're staying in your lane and you have tunnel vision, you're focusing on your goals and dreams, that's what matters the most to me. And I'm not going to let anyone stop me from becoming the best version of myself.
Because I am the poster child of every statistic of, you know, a typical black person of like, no father, poor, homeless, the whole nine. My life could have gone in one direction if I subscribed to the narratives and didn't believe in myself and didn't push towards my actual dreams and goals.
But if everybody just did that. I also think something that you've done that I think a lot of people can learn from, and hope they see in you, kind of touches on what you just said.
But keeping your head down and focusing on the things that are important to you and your goals, that inherently allows you to block out a lot of the noise. If you're focused on your work and what you care about in the world and making yourself a better person and breaking through stereotypes, being the person that breaks the patterns in your family, which has always been my number one goal.
Like I always thought about like, I'm not going to be, you know, just another like notch in the belt. I'm not going to do what my family's done.
It makes it very easy not to care. Yeah.
And reminding to yourself, like it's called going through for a reason. Like you're going through it.
You're not stuck there. You're going to survive.
Like whatever season you're in is just a season. It's temporary and your life is going to get better.
You just have to have your mindset on this goal that you have for yourself of being great and pursuing whatever it is that you have in life that you want to pursue. But you're not going to be that if you're constantly surrounding yourself around negativity, constantly thinking and believing the gaslighting that may be coming your way from various family or friends, you have to instill in yourself that trust and that power that you can achieve the things you want to achieve.
And you have to block out other people in the process. Like you can't be distracted with other people's minds.
You can't be distracted with what so-and-so is going to think about you. It's so sad.
There's so many people living a broken life because they're not doing the things they want to do and they're not being vocal about themselves that's why i feel there's so many midlife crises i'm not going to have a midlife crisis i'm living my life i'm looking forward to being 45 everyone's like oh your best life is in your 20s that's disgusting like how is your best life in your 20s that are you just setting the rest of your life up for failure? No. I'm excited for 40.
I'm excited for 50 because I know life is still going to be amazing. But if you fall down this rat race and this trap of caring so much about what other people think, you don't want to disappoint your family, you don't want to disappoint your friends, you're never going to be fulfilled.
And I don't want that for anyone out there well that's why your content is so great because it's not just about politics and about cultural issues i was actually asked that i was doing something with the new york times yesterday and she was really honing in on she was like i just feel like you don't like you're political but you're not political i was like because i don't care about the political wins you talk about you know making people better I was like, well, that's really what it's about. I know you're so political.
I'm really not. Yeah.
It's just talking about life and culture and wanting the best of everybody out there. That's why people respond to you and why you're going to keep growing.
And you too. Hello.
Because like a lot of people, how do we meet? That's the most funniest thing. Oh, yes.
It's funny that we're ending it. We should have started with this.
So I was alone and sad at UCLA and had no friends because I just told them I wasn't voting for Bernie or Biden. And in the primaries, I was like, I'm actually going the other direction.
And I had gotten in contact with PragerU in Los Angeles. And my mom had found you on Instagram and was like, this, you need to be friends with Amir Oda.
This is like the greatest guy. She loved all of your slides.
It was like 2019, 2020. It was the beginning of 2020.
Yeah. And you flew out to LA for the premiere of Will Witt's environmental documentary for Bring It You.
And the reason I went was to meet you. Insane.
Yeah. I had a little like orange thumbs wrestling.
I was like, I'm going to go meet Amir. I can't even have that picture.
That is so crazy to me. Yes.
And yeah, we became friends ever since. I remember like DMing you and was like i'm gonna go meet amir and we have that picture that is so crazy yes and yeah we became friends ever since i remember like dming you and being like i really like your work and then yeah we stayed in touch and then daily wire moved me out to nashville and i knew that you were living in franklin at the time but i wasn't exactly sure and so i didn't know we went to north italia and like just seeing the work that you put in and how hard you've worked oh my it my.
I can get a muscle. It's just so crazy.
I'm just so proud of you. Like, what you've built for yourself, what you've done, what you've accomplished, and how consistent you've been throughout all this.
Even back to 20, you're the same damn Brett. Like, super loving, super kind, super sweet.
And if anything, you're just so much stronger and resilient. And I'm just proud of you.
That means so much coming from you. And I would say the same to you on an even bigger level because you've literally done it by yourself from day one, which is just so impressive.
You're going to keep growing. But I was going to say, I think that one thing that is a unique value to what we do is that, at least in my perspective, I feel like I make myself better every single time I get behind the camera and talk about a new story.
Because it's like, I'm not going to sit here and be so hypocritical and tell people, oh, I think this is how you should live your life if I'm not evaluating that on a daily basis. It's like the stories that both of us cover and the research we do, it makes me smarter.
It makes me more interested about the world.

It's my favorite thing.

It's so much fun.

About this.

It's like I feel like I'm a much better person than I was three years ago.

Again, a Beyonce lyric because it relates to everything.

She has a song called Bigger.

She has a song called Bigger.

In the song, she's like talking about how I'm not just preaching.

I'm taking my own advice.

Like I'm going through all of this too.

And you're so on par.

Every time I turn that camera, every time I make a a piece of content my main goal is to leave someone better this is it and in turn i feel better yeah i'm just because you know if you turn on the camera and you are not being 100 you or if you're lying about something i mean you feel like you feel like i know i don it. I think that's one of the reasons why it was so important to me to, you know, make this big career switch because it was like, if I'm talking to people constantly about swinging for the fences and taking big risks in their lives and fighting for what you believe in and, you know, betting on yourself and I'm sitting here and I'm telling young people, like, take that risk, do the thing that scares you i was looking around me i was like oh my god i have to like it's my turn now it's cool that the um that you guys hold us accountable in an awesome way it is i'm so grateful for the support and the love everybody go follow amir and subscribe to his channel maybe we can get you to 600 oh my god very soon great i'm so excited thank you for coming thank so much fun.
Can you do it again? Yes. This is great.
We can just start a daytime show. We're going to replace Wendy Williams.
I'm down. Boom.
Bye guys. Are we really doing the episode like this? I need to self-promote.
Okay. Alex told me I don't promote myself enough.
That sounds like some shit he'd say. I know.
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It'll make you feel straight.

There you go.

This is the second Bread Cooper merch promo you've been required to be in.

I love it.

I feel like very macho.

I like the green too.

Green's my favorite color.

Well, you can keep it.

Please.

Hope you guys like the merch.

Cooper Trooper.