Slipping on ICE

The Bugle, audio newspaper for a visual world.

Hello, Buglers, and welcome to issue 4349 of The Bugle, the audio newspaper which has been chronicling our visual world since 2007.

Have things got better in that time?

Not entirely.

Is the Bugle responsible for the failure of humanity to surf its own wave of technological genius and social enlightenment to the summit of the Kilimanjaro of progress?

No.

Almost certainly not.

Maybe a little bit, but not primarily.

I am Andy Zaltzman reporting to you live from Bugle Central newscast room.

Well, the shed in my garden.

It's the 21st of July 2025.

And joining me today, firstly, from London, it's Ria Lena.

Hello, Rhea.

Good afternoon.

Hi.

I don't think Bugle's responsible either.

I think it's my fault.

I mean, it's good that someone is finally fronting up for the state state of the planet as it's declined since 2007.

Joining us also from of all places Michigan in the USA welcome back Jenna Friedman.

Hello Jenna.

Hi it's so nice to be here.

Yes I am I am in Michigan at the moment.

It's geologically sound

compared to the West Coast and the East Coast.

You know this is really where it's going to be in 20 years when all the coasts are underwater.

It is literally the state that has everything.

We are recording on the 21st of July

On the 22nd of July, 1903, it was a bad day to put all your money into horse futures because on the 23rd of July 1903, the Ford Motor Company sold its first car and the bottom fell out of the horse industry, frankly.

On the 24th of July, 1911, Hiram Bingham III rediscovered the lost city of Machu Picchu.

leading to people to question what was it and why.

It's very hard to say as the Incas were very good at not leaving a paper trail and they weren't posting stuff online 24-7 telling everyone how fucking awesome they were watching modern-day civilizations.

The best guess by most qualified archaeologists, well, they believe that Machu Picchu was constructed as a luxury chill-out estate for the 15th century Inca Emperor Pachacuti and that it was abandoned either due to the Incas having more pressing things to do than chill out once the Spanish arrived and started de-chilling everything.

Really bang out of order for a European superpower to just pitch up, claim lands, wipe out people with Euro diseases and steal everything without bequeathing cricket as a whoops.

Sorry gesture.

Bang out of order, I'd say.

But are those archaeologists right?

Probably.

That's their job.

But what if they're not?

Could Matthew Pitchu, in fact, have been built as a casino and golf resort, which shut down within 100 years because the golf balls kept falling down into the valley below and the roulette table was on the slope?

Or could it have been designed as a utopian new town but was scuppered by the lack of transport links because helicopters hadn't been invented yet?

Was it a prototype escape room?

Or was it the set for a planned long-running film franchise, Inky Inky and the Incas?

No one knows, sadly.

As always, a section of the Bugle is going straight in the bin.

This week, new puzzles, the latest puzzles to hit humanity, including Swear Wordle, a four-letter version of the popular New York Times word game puzzle, where all the answers are cuss terms.

We'll give you the first guess to get you going.

Scud.

Well, we can tell you the C and U are both in the correct answer, but they're also in the wrong place.

See if you can solve it by the end of the year.

Also, we look at Bird Search, a new puzzle in which you have to find members of the Roger McGuinn-fronted American 60s rock legends, The Birds, in a collection of photographs of very similar-looking 1960s musicians.

Really, very, very difficult indeed.

Also, Lethal Injection, the successor to the popular word game Hangman, but instead of each wrongly guessed letter resulting in the drawing of a piece of a gallows and an 18th century criminal, you draw a harrowingly accurate scene of someone who's been on death row for decades strapped to a gurney about to have a syringe full of fatalness blasted into their bloodstream whilst witnesses look on through soundproof glass.

And that drawing requires way more than 26 separate things to be drawn.

So you should never lose, which makes it more humane than Hangman.

And I think that is progress.

And also, Vote Doku, which is a mashup of the popular grid-based number puzzle Sudoku and Democracy, that one square.

You just have to write the letter X in that square.

It's simple, but life-affirming.

Those are all the new puzzles and that section in the bin.

Top story this week: Ice.

This is a Bugle ICE special.

ICE is not only one of the most famous brands of the renowned H2O franchise, which has brought the world such influential products as water, steam, clouds, and bath time,

but it's also the go-to acronym for the go-to-hell specialist American government agency, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the poster agency for Trumpistic in America.

ICE is devoutly setting about the task of returning America to when it was last great.

In other words, before anyone lived there.

Jenna,

you are our our official ice uh correspondent i think it's fair to say that not everyone is approving of its uh of its current methods there are literally masked deputized men who are just going around and grabbing people off the street it's so crazy and then i think they just put out the ice salaries which are like they have to pay them over three hundred thousand dollars because otherwise they'll have to hire undocumented people because nobody will want to do those jobs so they're actually like

my whole industry is our whole industry is totally being decimated, but there are jobs in if you want to, if you want to be like a modern day brown shirt.

Isn't that the answer though?

If you're an undocumented migrant is to, you know, steal some ID and become an ICE officer and just sort of slowly like hide in plain sight.

That is actually the best way to be safe, yes.

Assume the identity of a masked vigilante

Nazi just kidnapping your own grandma off the street.

Yeah.

When America updates its branding, is that what Uncle Sam will become?

A masked vigilante?

Uncle Sam's going to get deported.

I don't know if he was born here.

In the last two years, Branny, ICE has arrested an estimated 1,000 toddlers.

I mean, to me, this is a rare example of politicians looking at the long term, because if you look at history, pretty much all of the the leading baddies in history, the civilization-sundering, peace-splattering mega sheisters, who've left trails of devastation, tragedy, and despair behind them, have gone through a toddler phase.

I mean, the stats are pretty unarguable.

Toddlers are way more likely to become despots and fascists than non-agenarians, for example.

So Hitler, Stalin, Genghis Khan, Leopold II of Belgium, Osama bin Laden, Pope John XII, they were all toddlers at some point in their early lives, plus superstars of the international shitbag circuit, Vladiples, Benji Nets, MC Hamas, or whoever's running Hamas these days.

All once toddlers, Donald Trump himself has never yet been aged 90 to 99.

So draw your own conclusions.

I mean, this to me suggests that ICE are finally targeted long-term, targeting the right people.

I feel guilty as a mother of a toddler that this made me feel a little bad for ICE, just because like one toddler is a lot.

A thousand toddlers is really a punishment for anyone who has to deal with them.

And I shouldn't say that.

That's really inappropriate, but it's just what it is.

No, as a mother of teenagers, I was actually hoping that the teenage stats could be looked at next because I think it would be very handy as a parent to be able to just threaten your children with it and just go, listen, you can behave or I can swap you out for one of the ICE teenagers because they'd be really grateful.

I mean, Trump had promised to target bad, hard criminals and what he described as the worst of the worst.

And apparently this has included tens of thousands of children and the ICE

program.

program

has resulted in agents pitching up at schools trying to snatch snatch children out of school.

I mean, all kids love a day off school, but it's got to be the right kind of day off school, hasn't it?

I mean, if Ferris Bueller had been hoiked out of the classroom by government agents and chucked into a cell and left there for several weeks without legal representation, I think it's fair to say that version of the film wouldn't have done quite so well at the box office.

Well, you know, they're just doing it to, I guess, destabilize California's economy.

I didn't realize like one in 10 Californians are undocumented.

Yeah, 1.4 million.

in Southern California apparently undocumented.

I don't know what the total population of California is, but that sounds like a lot.

But at the same time, if you go back in history enough, all of California belonged to the Spanish,

you know, the

invaders, shall we say, Spanish invaders.

If you look at all of the lovely missions that they built up the coast of California, they've all got Spanish names.

So you could just give California back to the previous people that took it over, and maybe that would solve your problem.

I mean, how far back do you want to go?

Because I think the people who are before the Spaniards, I mean, Francis Drake landed there in the 16th century.

So for me, California is basically just an extension of

Dorset.

Just on the sub-child snatching element of it, an article from the independent news site Salon, which quoted Elora Muccatuse, director of the Immigrants' Rights Clinic at Columbia Law School, saying, the Trump administration's policy of detaining people at courthouses who are doing everything right, who are entirely law-abiding, who are trying to fulfill all requirements that the U.S.

government asks of them, it violates our Constitution, it violates violates our federal laws.

But this is a classic clash of constitutional rights because those constitutional rights are coming up against the president's constitutional right to completely ignore the constitution and

the people of America's democratic decision to have a president who just loves to violate the federal laws and indeed all other laws.

ICE are like vampires.

Like we do say know your rights, even though our rights are changing.

But as of now, they are vampires.

Like they have to be let in.

There are videos of people just like like running onto their property and then the ice guys will just like turn away because they're not like once if they're not invited in they can't like suck your blood and in california they are trying to create a law which i can't believe it hasn't been on the books yet where you have to show your face you can't be masked you have to show your face and your id if you want to abduct someone in broad daylight you can't just be masked Yeah, when I saw that they were taking people from outside their court dates, I thought, that's cheating.

That feels like cheating.

Like, you know, if you, if you go and you find an undocumented worker and they're hiding in the sewer because they've committed a million crimes and you want to deport them because you think they're a danger to society, like that's what I expected.

But to to just grab them outside of court when they're doing nothing wrong, that's like selling your Girl Scout cookies to your own parents.

It doesn't count.

Right.

I mean, they're also taking U.S.

citizens and then putting and then, you know, returning them or whatever when they find their paperwork.

But they're literally, it's not different than the ground shirts in Nazi Germany.

The sort of politics of it and the demonization of immigrants as criminals that Trump has done repeatedly over the last decade, research has apparently found that Americans born in America have quite a significant edge on immigrants in the crimes committed league tables.

So if Trump really wants ordinary Americans to live safely, he should arrest and deport all Americans who were born in America to keep them away from themselves.

And then I think America can once again become the great country that it never truly was in the first place.

I heard that they were actually going to nurseries and trying to get the information about the teachers because a lot of the teachers in that area are Latino.

So they're just trying to root them out that way.

And we're talking about nurseries, like nursery school teachers.

Like this is ridiculous.

They arrested a six-year-old leukemia patient and

his family.

And whilst many would find this inhumane and appalling for the self-styled land of the free.

Research has found that more than 50% of the Trump voter base reacted to this story with a satisfied murmur and the words, hell yeah, that's the good stuff.

That research I might just have done myself.

Not that I'm part of the Trump voter base.

Okay, I've made it up.

But this is the world we live in.

I was waiting your setup.

I was like, I'm waiting for the punchline on this one.

It's got to be good.

You've got that setup has everything.

It's got children.

It's got leukemia.

It's got deportation.

in terms of children they said they've rescued a number of children from potential exploitation forced labor and human trafficking and i went into what forced imprisonment forced labor and human trafficking it's like

the the logic of law enforcement has changed now from you know rather than being don't throw the baby out with the bath water uh it's now

arrest the baby when it lands off being thrown out of the bathroom window with the bath and the water and then arrest anyone who looks like they've recently had a bath or a baby.

And it just makes sure that

you capture every possible eventuality.

Actual ice news now, and we're moving on from America's ice to nature's ice.

And our life is full of unanswered questions such as, what's it all about?

Is it possible to make pizza in space?

And will Mike Powell's world long jump record ever be broken?

And to this has been added, why did the planet's climate cycle shift roughly one million years ago from a 41,000 year to a 100,000 year phasing of glacial interglacial cycles?

And that question was posed by the British Antarctic Survey's Dr.

Liz Thomas.

And we could soon have an answer to it because she and other ice boffins are beside themselves at the forthcoming analysis of some one and a half million year old ice which has been dug out of Antarctica.

It could reveal secrets about the climate history of this once great planet of ours.

It could help us, according to Dr.

Thomas, improve predictions of how Earth's climate may respond to future greenhouse gas increases, or to put it in simple, non-scientific terms, work out exactly how we are on a scale of naught to totally.

The ice was extracted by drilling through Antarctica in defiance of those who warned that the Earth is, in fact, a balloon that could pop if you poke it.

Sorry, I'm awake.

I'm awake.

I'm sorry.

I'm awake.

You are, you are the Bugle's one and only qualified scientist.

And look, I know technically you are a virologist, not an Antarctic ostician, but this is science.

You in the science community, you should be supporting each other in these endeavors.

We should, and we try, but honestly, when they make it as boring as this, it's really difficult.

Like, even like all of we've got together in the WhatsApp group and went, what are you doing to us?

We are trying to make people come back to science again.

We've had a really hard knock in the last 10 years, okay?

You know, even as a virologist, people telling me that the viruses aren't real.

I, you know, I've seen some.

They are.

All right.

I've felt some.

They are.

And here we've got someone digging out chunks of ice to find out whether the wind was north or northwesterly 100,000 years ago.

And I'm going, I can't help you.

I just can't help you.

When this is what you're trying to do.

Yeah, great.

You know, I mean, this whole thing of, and then we can predict how the planet's going to

respond to greenhouse gases in another 150 years.

I don't need ice to tell you that.

We will be gone.

Humanity will have screwed us.

There will be no ice in 150,000 years.

Like, I mean, get it while you can.

You know, enjoy it in your drinks while you can, because it will be gone by then.

We will heat up and it'll melt away.

I mean, you know, there was another story about glaciers stealing ice from each other, which I thought was kind of funny, like sibling rivalry.

Apparently, it's the ice in Antarctica has melted so much that the ice instead of flowing into one glacier is flowing into the other.

And I read the entire article and realized at the end of it that even as a scientist, I had no idea what the technical definition of a glacier is.

And once I looked it up and found out it was just a massive, like a really slow moving piece of ice on the surface, like a frozen river, I went, I still did not need to know that.

Not at this point.

We've had a heat wave here in London for the last two weeks.

I don't think, I think glaciers are, you know, like dodo birds, a thing of the past.

Well, I mean, it's been a while since London was under a glacier, certainly.

But I mean, just on this glacier stealing story, it does raise the question.

Can you ever trust a glacier?

And it appears that you can't.

And, you know, this glacier on glacier crime is one of the biggest issues facing Antarctica right now.

I think the biggest issue facing Antarctica are boomers going on cruises there.

I mean, you want to talk about the real crime.

Why has the temperature dropped so much that the water that was flowing to Glacier A is now going to glacier B?

It's because of all the pre-married, perimenopausal women that are having hot flushes on these cruises.

It's really messing with the environment down there.

I'm so glad my PhD has come into such use.

This process of ice piracy, and that is the kind of term that gets people interested, to be honest, was previously thought to take hundreds or even thousands of years.

But the naughty, verging on criminal, Kola East Glacier in West Antarctica, born and raised, has been thieving ice from its local rival, the Kola West Glacier.

And has done so in just 18 years, which to round up to the nearest year is the average lifespan of the Bugle podcast so far, a fact that you will be able to commemorate with our Bugle 18th birthday live live stream live show on Sunday, the 26th of October.

Details coming soon, coming even sooner than when I said they'd be coming soon last week, but definitely coming soon.

The Kola East Glacier, as a result of this ice piracy, is careering off into the distance at breakneck speed, accelerating by a whiplash-inducing 32 meters extra per year.

which means that it is now traveling

over 500 meters more per year.

And we're talking, you know, a total of, I think, over a kilometre per year now than it was in the pre-bugle geologico-climatistical epoch.

So it's a huge issue.

Obviously, the police won't do anything about it because they can't be asked these days.

So, you know, I just think it's literally carte blanche for all these glaciers to just nick ice off each other.

And I can't see.

I can't see a satisfactory conclusion to this.

I'm just glad they're called cola because I associate that with ice.

If they were called something like mashed potato, I'd be upset.

Epstein files news now.

And,

well, there's only one place to go after talking about the Antarctic, and that is to talk about the permafrost of human civilization that is

embodied in Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch.

And Trump is, I mean, look, it's 2025.

So the headline...

US president posts fake video of predecessor being arrested just flops onto the global breakfast table with barely a murmur of surprise.

Well, that's what he did today, as we record.

He posted a fake video of Barack Obama being arrested whilst trying to deflect attention away from the Epstein story or deflect it onto someone else.

Trump is suing Rupert Murdoch after the Wall Street Journal,

which is one of Rupert's toys, published details of Trump's alleged 50th birthday card message.

to Epstein in 2003.

The Wall Street Journal described the card as including a sexually suggestive drawing of a naked woman plus a birthday wish that read, Make every day be another wonderful secret.

Now, it's possible, of course, that the naked woman was a reference to Epstein and Trump's almost incorrigible love of the book of Genesis in the smash-hit religious human origin story epic, The Bible, in which Eve, the pioneering eat your five-a-day fruit and veg proponent, famously pranced around sans-culottes for some time early in the story.

But I mean, in terms of court cases, I mean, Trump and Murdoch feels like a, you know, it's like one of those heavyweight boxing fights that you thought you'd never get to see, but maybe now we will get to see this legal showdown between

two of the world's biggest.

I think the scariest thing to me is the drawing.

Like, I didn't know that Trump was also a failed artist.

See, I thought that was the bit that made the least sense to me because he kept claiming, I don't draw, I don't draw.

And I was like, I remember you in a Sharpie pen in 2019 telling us about storms.

I very much know that you draw.

And then he said, well, those words, they're not mine.

And I'm like, okay, well, that I believe you have never been good with words.

So maybe, I mean, you use a lot of them.

He uses a lot of them to say very, very little.

But

you know what?

This is a popcorn moment for me.

I love these.

I love these when they turn against each other.

I'm so excited.

I'm amazed that he published a video about Obama getting arrested because I'm like, but doesn't that make him more like you?

And therefore, someone you'd be more likely to hang out with?

I'm just amazed that Rupert Murdoch is still alive every day.

Right?

I'm like, how is he still alive?

I mean, what would be the point of dying?

There's just no logic to it.

It is possible that the message may every day be another wonderful secret.

It was just a friendly greeting between two publicity-shy plutocrats who just wanted to go about their daily lives away from the hounding lenses of the press.

So we, you know, we can't jump to conclusions on

that.

The Wall Street Journal does not have quite as strong a reputation for just making shit up and publishing it as, for example, Trump himself or numerous pro-Trump media outlets or the bugle.

So it remains to be seen how this court case pans out.

There's the famous phrase, methinks he doth protest too much.

Now, look, at the moment, we have no concrete evidence showing that Trump did anything more wrong than be a close personal friend of a sex-trafficking child abuser for years and years and years.

And if anything, maybe Trump thought it was on him to cure Epstein, and he

selflessly hung around with the

sex trafficking child abuser to try to stop him, sex trafficking and child abusing.

We just don't know as of yet, but hopefully the American court system will finally wield the sword of truth.

That's the funniest thing about this.

Everyone's like, oh my God, it's a conspiracy.

It's like you could just also listen to scores and scores of women and video evidence and photographs and

fake news, Jenna, fake news.

and also women really women do women really exist that's the question i think that's that is the question that is the question just gender i mean gender is a construct so yeah what is a woman

uk news now and uh well exciting news for youngsters in the uk who are interested in voting um they'll only have to get fake id proving that they're 16 not 18 to vote in the next general election in the uk because the government has announced plans to extend the vote to 16 and 17-year-olds.

Rhea, we both have children in that age range currently.

Do you trust your children

to vote?

I think currently is the operative word there.

Like I said, they're on thin ice with me.

So just to tie all the themes together, I wouldn't.

They can't finish a full sentence.

I don't know why we would give them the power to control all of our futures.

That being said, you only need to know one letter of the alphabet to vote, don't you?

Which is depressing because I think that's the most that my kid does know at this point in time.

Not that letter, not X.

He knows.

I'm not sure what phonic that is, but

is the one that he tends to go with.

I see what labor's doing.

I mean, Labor's desperate, aren't they?

They've basically pissed off anyone else who would vote for them.

They've pissed off the elderly by taking away their winter fuel payments.

They've pissed off the disabled and anyone who might in the future possibly become disabled by looking into whether or not they should have any form of support or payments.

I think they forgot the future bit.

I think that's where they really fell down.

Like to go across and go, well, what are blind people going to do?

I'll just step aside if they try and hit me is one thing.

But to go, anybody who is currently blind but could become blind in the future, they forgot that.

That's all of us.

That's all of us.

So all they have a choice now in terms of maintaining power is to bring it all the way back down to 16.

But here's what they forgot.

At 16 in this country, you're allowed to have sex.

No 16-year-old is going to go, mm, politics or orgasms.

They're not going to do it.

So I think it's dead in the water myself.

Last of the Gen Zs might be politically engaged, but we're about to hit Gen Alpha, and Gen Alpha is a whole other beast.

It's a whole other beast that, you know, teachers are like finding them impossible to teach.

They're so entitled, all sorts of things.

I'd be interested if Gen Alpha, when given the choice between sex and politics, whether they are as enthusiastic about activism as their Gen Z predecessors.

I think would have been more impactful is if they just stopped everyone who's going to die in the next two years from voting

if they can get the technology to work that out i think that is well fine okay i understand you know we're not talking about people dying of car accidents and other causes but like maybe just if the voting age caps at like 85 i think that would have done wonders you know well I mean, my, my, um, my, my father died a couple of years ago, having had dementia for a long long time.

And he was able to vote in the Brexit referendum.

Whereas

my children who were then- Why don't you vote?

My children were, well, they'd been in 2016, nine and seven, were both, I think, far more up to speed on the nuances of that debate.

But they weren't allowed to vote.

I would certainly trust my kids now.

Actually, they're probably better, more politically informed than I am, to be honest.

They can have my vote

at the next election.

Other changes proposed include tightening rules on political donations to protect against foreign interference.

Now, you might ask, why the f was this not already in place?

And the answer to that is quite simple.

Free markets.

We won the Cold War, and we won it for the freedom to have free markets, which included selling our democracy to the Russians

in a sort of slightly ironic circle.

But anyway, that's the reason.

I thought that was about the South Africans.

i shouldn't have pluralized that the south african i think the cold war is not over

i don't think it's over i think it's

it's just i think we're losing it right now with this guy in the white house everything anyway keep carry on sorry um and uh finally in uk news uh thanet district council in kent which counts amongst the towns under its authority the likes of uh your Margates and your Broadstairs is, is proposing £100 penalties for people who swear in public.

The policy is an attempt to crack down on anti-social and indeed anti-stoical behavior.

Some have described it as a clampdown on the sacred British right to swear, enshrined in our constitution ever since God appeared atop Stonehenge with the Magna Carta in his mouth, wagging her tail like a good dog.

Sorry, I was not supposed to reveal that the one true God is a Labrador.

My bad.

Anyway, but people have pointed out that rather than stopping people swearing by fining them for swearing, it might be better for Thanet District Council to put more effort into helping people not feel the need to say,

this place is a mess.

What the council is doing about it?

But obviously, that's a bit more complicated for them.

I mean, this is this gets the very heart of

what it is to be not just to be British, but to be to be human.

I mean, Jenna, in I mean, how would legislation like this go down in

America, do you think?

We don't

make laws anymore.

We're not Congress.

Congress doesn't do anything.

They've done one big, beautiful bill.

What more do you want from them?

that's it they've done their bit right now they just coast to midterms i think swearing actually there's a study that said that people who swear are more honest i think i don't i don't know

uh ria what do you what do you uh what is i mean if you know i don't know how often you go to to thanits for a day out but i mean this is it's quite worrying isn't it i don't think i've been to thanets since 1066.

it's been a while um

it's definitely been a while It's nice to know it's still there, really.

I thought, you know, there were some beautiful comments in the article about this.

There were some beautiful comments just, you know, just sort of going that they could clean up the beaches first before they deal with, you know, the police have said that they want.

help with antisocial behavior.

They said, we're really struggling with antisocial behavior.

These groups of youths are coming into town and smashing up shops and all sorts of things.

And I'm like, well, then make a rule about smashing up shops.

I don't, I can't believe you don't have one.

Everywhere else has one.

If that's the issue that they're coming in and vandalizing things, then use your vandalizing laws.

But apparently they need to be.

There are definitely laws against that.

Right.

So I just don't understand why.

Clearly, these groups of lads are standing there and just blaspheming up a storm in these police people's faces.

And they're unable to do anything about it.

And I was like, I don't understand why this is a problem only in Thanet.

And let's hope it doesn't get all the way down the coast to Clacton because otherwise their own MP is going to be in jail the entire time, isn't he?

The move, as you say, follows an increase in bad behavior from,

I believe, technically hoodlums and rascals in the area who've been drunkenly smashing up shop windows and throwing chairs at restaurants, the kind of activity likely to make shop owners and restaurateurs safe, for f ⁇ 's sake, ironically.

And a local shop owner whose shop was vandalized.

in Broadstairs described the horde of drunksters as feral.

They were feral.

There's no other word for it.

She said, Well, there are two other words for it, but they'll be illegal soon, sadly.

And some breaking news just reaching us: the chief executive of Thanack District Council has just performed a citizen's arrest on himself after reciting a list of words that could now lead to arrest.

So this is,

it just can't end well for this country.

This is in the same area that Geoffrey Chaucer, one of the British Isles' greatest ever swearers, author of the Canterbury Tales in the 14th century, he will be turning in his in his grave at this absolute this is a betrayal of centuries of our history i mean well it's just a reminder that we don't actually have free speech here do we unlike in the us where apparently they they have free do you do you still have free speech jenna probably not no i i can't say

at least you're free to say that you can't say whether you have free speech or not and surely that is all the freedom we need

Right, well, that brings us to the end of this week's week's Bugle.

Thank you very much for listening.

We'll be back next week with Nato Green and Sarah Barron before we take our August hiatus.

You'll be able to see many bugle co-hosts in action at the Edinburgh Festival in August, including Jenna Friedman.

Jenna, tell us about your show.

I have a show.

It's called Motherfucker, and it's at the monkey barrel high one at 4 15 p.m every day august 8th to the 25th or whatever 4th whenever it ends

that's that is the kind of approximate plug that we like on this show

that's really interesting because some people would argue it ends on the monday the 25th because it's a bank holiday in one of the countries i can't remember which but a lot of people cut loose on the 24th because they're like i'm out i'm out on the monday and there's only one way to find out if the show is happening on the 25th which is to turn up on the 25th and see and see.

Rhea?

Yes.

Tell us about your show?

Mine's called Rebellion, and it's on at 2.25 at Cab Voltaire.

Cab Voltaire, I can say it, which is also under the monkey barrel umbrella with Jenna.

And I'm there every day from next Monday, the 28th of July in preview, all the way to the 24th of August, except for

A-level and GCSE results days.

I will not be there because I will either be very, very happy or very, very failed as a mother.

So,

yeah, not those two Thursdays.

Many other Bugle co-hosts will be there.

We'll have full details of all of them in

next week's show.

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