S2 Ep1009: Amanda Carpenter: Daddy? No, Manny Trump

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Speaker 19 Hello, and welcome to the Bullorg podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller.
One thing before we get to our all-caps guest.

Speaker 19 I heard from some people, there's been a little misunderstanding about a combo that me and Levitt were having at the end of the pod yesterday. I just, I do want to clarify.

Speaker 19 I brought up that there are these hands-off America rallies happening on April 5th. And I brought that up at the very end after a pod that was pretty emotionally draining.

Speaker 19 And we were talking in the context of like this disconnect between the intensity of our alarm and anger and sadness with what was out there in the world.

Speaker 19 And I think some folks, I heard heard from some folks that seem to interpret that as like dismissiveness about these rallies.

Speaker 19 And I just wanted to be super clear that that is not what I intended, the opposite, actually. And so I want to make sure we'll put a link to the list of the gatherings in the show notes.

Speaker 19 If you feel called to go, I encourage you to do so. I hope to see a lot of people out on April 5th.
And I think that my point yesterday is, you know, this is kind of an incubator.

Speaker 19 This thing is going to take time. We're not seeing the initial emotional reaction that we saw in 2017.
And that is disappointing, but you got to start somewhere. So there you go.

Speaker 19 April 5th, hands-off America rallies. All right.
Our guest today is a former colleague. She's a writer and editor at Protect Democracy.

Speaker 19 She's a co-author of the authoritarian playbook for 2025 and a contributor to Protect Democracy's If You Can Keep It substack. It's Amanda Carpenter.
How you doing, girl?

Speaker 17 Hey, I'm, you know, and it feels weird to say I'm doing great. I'm doing okay.

Speaker 17 We're here. It's Friday.
I felt like I had to wake up and just like preparing for this, like, just take a few deep cleansing breaths because there's so much going on.

Speaker 17 But I am, if there's anybody to get into it with,

Speaker 17 I'm happy to be here with you for sure.

Speaker 19 Let's mix it up. Let's mix it up.
Yeah, I know. I've had this nagging cough that maybe some of you guys haven't noticed because, you know, Jason and Katie cleaned me up.

Speaker 19 It's prevented me from going to yoga because I don't want to be the guy like hacking up a lung in yoga over the past couple weeks.

Speaker 19 And I do feel like it's had a negative impact on my, on my, on my internal self. I'm wound a little tight.
So

Speaker 19 yeah, we can do, let's do a little Ujai breath together.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 17 we get sometimes these tips at our work for like self-care, how to take care of yourself. You're such a lib now.

Speaker 19 You're getting self-care tips.

Speaker 17 Well, no, I took up running a couple years ago. I was like, you know, like that ticks a lot of boxes off of me.
You get out in the sunshine. You get time away from the screen.

Speaker 17 Like it takes care of a lot of things in one. Actually, my husband does yoga.

Speaker 19 I don't do yoga.

Speaker 17 It's kind of funny. I'm like, that's your thing.
I'm just going out on the trails. But, you know, everybody, everybody get outside is what I'm saying.

Speaker 19 Yeah, get outside. Get some vitamin D.
Go to a rally. Take a run.
Go to a crawfish boil. That's what I'll be doing this weekend.
I have my note for beginning the podcast with.

Speaker 19 Protect Democracy Amanda Potpouri.

Speaker 19 I mean, there's so many threats to democracy out there that I don't want to be in charge of what the biggest threat is, where the doomsday clock is the closest to midnight.

Speaker 19 So I want to let you go first. You tell me.

Speaker 19 What are you guys monitoring that has you the most alarmed out of all the all the bullshit that's out there?

Speaker 17 Well, I would say I don't want to speak for the group. I'm here speaking for myself.
But right now, I mean, honestly, the most urgent thing that is in your face on tape, easiest to see and understand.

Speaker 17 are the people being nabbed out the streets without any due process. And thank you, Tim.

Speaker 17 You have been on this in a way that, you you know, you, you humanize it, put a lens on it, talk about this person that got shipped off to El Salvador.

Speaker 17 And this is deliberately a complex issue that Trump chose to divide the pro-democracy coalition. You know, like I see these mini debates happening.
You know, is this an immigration issue?

Speaker 17 Is it a speech issue? How about it's just a basic American fundamental right that you have a right to face your accuser, right?

Speaker 17 Like you don't get picked up off the street by plainclothes officer without a warrant, without anything. And I understand

Speaker 17 that, you know, some people who are here on visas or, you know, whatever it may be may have more restrictive rights. I'm not like maybe.

Speaker 19 Sure.

Speaker 17 But as a basic thing, we have to know the reason people are being picked up. And if Marco Rubio wants to get up and say, well, actually, there's two with this one tough student.

Speaker 17 You know, I'm really lasered in on this because right now there's two different explanations coming from this administration, right?

Speaker 17 Like you had the spokesperson come out and say, well, something, something, terrorism.

Speaker 17 And then Marco Rubio had a camera in his face and started saying, well, if you're kind of the student activist lunatic, we are going to revoke your visa and this, we're going to come after hundreds of you.

Speaker 17 So like, what is it? Is it terrorism? Or we don't like what you're saying? Because if it's terrorism, and that's really what they're leaning on to do a lot of things, tell me what she did.

Speaker 17 You know, if there is this terroristic threat on campuses, like I need to know exactly what she did that you're tracking so that we can stop this from happening other places.

Speaker 17 But if this is like, you just don't like that she showed up at a protest, you didn't like her op-ed, you didn't like the tattoo that somebody had, then say that because I need to know, we all have a right to know what tattoos are okay.

Speaker 17 Like what words are okay to say.

Speaker 17 Otherwise, you're going to get shipped off to Louisiana or El Salvador or some other legal black hole where nobody knows the rules.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I have a couple of thoughts on this. Number one, like, just as a free speech principle, right, like I would be against what Marco was saying.

Speaker 19 You know, yesterday in his press conference, it's like, look, if you apply for a visa and

Speaker 19 you put on your visa that you're just here to go to school and you come here and what you're really here to do is organize people and protest against the government, that we have a right to revoke your visa.

Speaker 19 I think I'd be against that in any context, but it at least is a defensible argument. If then the next step from the government is we're going to send a letter to, you know, Ms.

Speaker 19 Oz Turk and say, hey, we've decided to revoke your visa. Secretary of State has jurisdiction on this.

Speaker 19 You have three months or two weeks or whatever it is to, you know, either reapply or leave the country. At least that would be like how a liberal democracy works, right?

Speaker 19 Like, I mean, again, I would be against that, but that would at least be like within the bounds of normal democratic type behavior.

Speaker 17 And we could have a debate over what the rules should be for people here in student visas, right? In the sunlight, in the light of day.

Speaker 19 Yes.

Speaker 19 Having a guy sneak up on a woman on the street with a hood and a mask like he's in fucking 24, you know, and like shake her down and then have her be surrounded by six other people and handcuffed.

Speaker 19 That is insane authoritarian behavior. Like that is not American behavior.
There's no reason for this. This person is not a threat.
Like, this is like Stasi shit.

Speaker 17 Well, if she is a threat, if there is a reason for them to hunt her down like this in the plain clothes, like, tell us, right?

Speaker 17 Like, this is where I think we need to put a little bit more of the burden on them. Yes.
To be like, what is the reason?

Speaker 17 Because we are going to have debates about whether, you know, what free speech, you know, what degree is it allowed or is this immigration?

Speaker 17 But where I think there is the strongest possible ground is like, tell us the reason, put it in writing, and show us what the charges are because they're doing it without any of those basic steps.

Speaker 17 And that is what's truly unbelievable to me because it is true. If they can do it to these people, they can do it to other people.
They can do it to U.S. citizens.
So the U.S. citizens better start.

Speaker 17 The best way to protect your rights is to actually exercise them in the moment. And this is one of those times.

Speaker 19 You know, I have an interview for the Gen Z pod, for FY Pod. It's out tomorrow.
We did our first MAGA interview. And I was talking to somebody that young person that works for Bannon's War Room.

Speaker 19 The thing that was the most frustrating in the conversation is like

Speaker 19 whether you are a traditional classical liberal Thatcher Reaganite conservative, or whether you're one of these new tech bro guys, whatever you want to call them, or whether you're Bannon, nationalist world, like the one thing that they all claim to agree with was this, like that individuals have free speech rights, that the government, the jack boot and thugs thugs shouldn't be like banging down your door because you wrote an op-ed or because you advocated or because you protest, like they all, you know, pay lip service to that, like across that entire coalition.

Speaker 19 And it's just fucking silence. Like it's silence.
It's Reason Magazine is the only people that are even criticizing this.

Speaker 19 And it is so disoriented and concerning because if they're going to do this shit where they take people off the streets and there's just silence, then there's going to be no checks, right?

Speaker 19 Like to me, that's the most alarming thing is that there has not been any even signal that that there is going to be any check on these guys if they want to even go further than they have.

Speaker 17 We always knew that there was going to be mistakes made in any amount of deportation raids, things that they did.

Speaker 17 And like, I think some of this is that they're just not getting the numbers they wanted. And so they need to go after easy targets.
For sure.

Speaker 17 But when you think about, you know, I don't want to get super dark here, but you know, what the possibility of AI being sicked on social media and tracking people's pictures and getting things wrong or right or just sweeping it up with untested technology.

Speaker 17 I mean, this is really

Speaker 17 has a potential to spin out of control. And so like, you know, just the thing with the tattoos, that just seems like such a like obvious, a lot of people have tattoo, right? Like, what's allowed?

Speaker 17 Like, what is going to be mistaken as a gang sign now? What is the list of approved content? from this administration that you're allowed to say that you're allowed to put on your body.

Speaker 17 You know, it's just like kind of force these questions. I'm not actually saying like, I want the government to do this, of course.

Speaker 17 But like make them answer these questions to show how absurd and ridiculous and dangerous this is.

Speaker 19 The AI thing is such a good point because it seems, I think, pretty obvious that there's some outside group that is providing the State Department like a list of people that did bad things.

Speaker 19 I don't understand how they would be grabbing somebody like Oz Turk, you know, these random op-ed signers.

Speaker 17 Well, I do think she's easy. Like, I'm just going to this perspective as a woman here.
Like, she's an easy person to pick up off the street, right? Unless you were prepared for that moment.

Speaker 17 And again, like maybe she threw smoke bombs into a window. I don't know what she did, but this is part of the problem is that they're keeping us in this like dark room with no facts, no information.

Speaker 17 But she's an easy pickup, right? And they're going to go after easy targets.

Speaker 19 They are.

Speaker 19 And I guess my point is like, this is like the beta version, but if the state department's getting a list from an anti-Palestinian, anti-Hamal, whatever, like whatever, you know, sort of outside group you want to to call it.

Speaker 19 You have AI software. You're like, oh, here are the names.
Let's put them into the software.

Speaker 19 It gets dark really fast.

Speaker 17 We saw this with some of the groups that were putting the names and faces of people engaged in DEI in the government before Trump came into office. There's lots of lists that have been made.

Speaker 17 And so just like people often ask, how bad is it? How close to authoritarianism are we? And you want to say, like, okay, like, we still have room to fight.

Speaker 17 But like, if you want to evaluate this question, if you were in this public, political, and media space, think about the steps that you've probably already taken to adjust yourself over the few years.

Speaker 17 Like, I think about my career. I've changed my career totally in terms of adapting to this.
I don't tell like my kids, parents, friends what I do unless I really know them.

Speaker 17 Like, I take a number of personal security and safety tests. I don't post much on Instagram at all anymore.
Like, I am self-censoring out of protection, but also to preserve my ability to fight.

Speaker 17 You know what I'm saying? I don't know if you've taken steps like that, but I think you have to.

Speaker 19 I haven't because fuck them. But lots of people are.

Speaker 19 It's funny you bring this up because I was just looking at, I don't want to out this person, but I was just looking at them on social media this morning.

Speaker 19 And it was a very, it's a very public type, a person that has been very public in politics in the past and does not like Trump, but works for a consulting firm.

Speaker 19 And I saw a post from them criticizing something that a Democrat was doing. And I was like, I wonder if that person has been posting, because I note that they're not for a lot of this Trump stuff.

Speaker 19 And you just go down, scroll down the feed, and it's just like, no, it's like sports, an occasional Democratic hit, you know, whatever, maybe a retweet of a criticism, right, of Trump, maybe.

Speaker 19 Whether that person would admit it or not, like, they're self-censoring. People are self-censoring.

Speaker 19 And now this gets us into the law firm conversation and the corporations and Columbia University, which I talked about yesterday.

Speaker 19 Like, people are self-censoring because they are either scared or don't want to to deal with the BS. And like, that is all a form of soft authoritarianism.

Speaker 17 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 19 Like, nobody was doing that under Biden. Nobody's like,

Speaker 19 I'm not going to send a mean tweet about Biden because I'm worried that they're going to come after me, that the department, that my business will be harmed, that somebody won't get a contract.

Speaker 19 Like, nobody was worried about that.

Speaker 17 Yeah, at a minimum, everybody is trying to be more careful, thinking about the environment, knowing what happened after January 6th, knowing the threats that are just constantly out there.

Speaker 17 I mean, it's just this noise of executive order, like every day. Do we have executive orders every night targeting individuals and like, I don't know, personal level or organizational level?

Speaker 17 I mean, they are being, they're raining down.

Speaker 17 And using the executive orders to target individuals in this way or as a means of leverage to extract a political price is an insane new form of executive abuse.

Speaker 17 And we don't even have a terminology for it yet.

Speaker 19 Well, here's the latest. Let's go to the latest executive order from last night.
Trump is targeting the Smithsonian and the zoo for programs that advance divisive narratives and improper ideology.

Speaker 17 Wolf banned us. What?

Speaker 19 Wolf banned us. What was the zoo doing? I don't even know.
What was the,

Speaker 19 I assume this is like they had Pride Night at the National Zoo or something, and they've got to cancel that now.

Speaker 17 Trans penguins.

Speaker 19 Yeah, well, sure. Maybe we honored the gay penguins, you know, from Antango Makes 3.
That is a crazy, like just phrase, improper ideology.

Speaker 19 Like it's silly and it's laughable, but it's like, look, the president is saying to a museum, I will punish you if you advance an improper ideology.

Speaker 17 But this is where I think there is opportunity to shift the burden on them and also just make it absurd. Like, can someone ask, like, can you tell me what the penguins and pandas did wrong?

Speaker 17 Like, just can we start forcing these questions to be like, why, why are we cracking down on the national zoo? Maybe they're doing something insane.

Speaker 17 But just again, like this random executive order, we're going to target the Smithsonian. We're going to target the zoo along with like.
everyone else. What is going on?

Speaker 17 Because we do need to have the ability to laugh and have some absurdity in this.

Speaker 19 Yeah, here's one example that they put in the executive order.

Speaker 19 For example, the Smithsonian American Art Museum features, quote, the shape of power, stories of race and American sculpture, an exhibit representing that societies, including the United States, have used race to establish and maintain systems of power, privilege, and disenfranchisement.

Speaker 19 The sculptures, so what I,

Speaker 19 what is the concern about this?

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 So that warrants an executive order? Like, what are we supposed to do? Like, shroud a mask it? Like, oh, what are we, what are we doing?

Speaker 19 I'm sure you guys, since you have so many lawyers over there are pretty deep on what's happening with the law firms and it seems like there's more more coming there's a report yesterday at scad and arps another big dc law firm is in negotiations or i don't even know what you would call the words that are involved in a hostage negotiation with the white house right now we've seen Some other law firms be more aggressive in fighting, which is encouraging.

Speaker 19 What are you guys monitoring with the law firms?

Speaker 17 I want to point out a few bright spots because it's important to show show who is doing well.

Speaker 17 Versus, by the way, like you having George Conway on last week to talk about Paul Weiss, that was great, very informative. Glad that he, you know, really brought it to them.
That was

Speaker 17 necessary. But we did see, you know, there is the Perkins-Coe executive order.
There was a story in the Wall Street Journal yesterday about how it's fighting back. Great.

Speaker 17 You know, they're one of the good ones right now. And also, more importantly, its biggest clients are staying.
That includes Boeing, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, NFL.

Speaker 17 because right, like in order for these law firms to not only stay in fight, they have to not lose clients. So like, I want to say thank you.
Thank you. Keep fighting.

Speaker 17 We need everyone to stick together on this because the whole point of using these orders is to divide and conquer people and pit these law firms against each other so they start stealing clients.

Speaker 17 But there was like a sweet part of that Wall Street Journal story is that

Speaker 17 the day after they got the order, apparently this managing director, I think in Seattle, someone sent a bouquet of flowers to them just saying thank you, like for standing up.

Speaker 17 And he took a picture and sent it to everyone, you know, 600 people in that office.

Speaker 17 I don't know who sent that, but like the fact that they thought it was noted, these are rich people, like they can buy their own flowers.

Speaker 17 They can throw themselves flower parties every day if they want, walk around with lays.

Speaker 17 But they were touched that someone did that for them. They took a picture and sent it around and made it into a journal story.

Speaker 17 Just please find ways to celebrate and be kind to the people who are doing the right thing because we do spend, we have to spend a lot of time talking about the bad.

Speaker 17 But when you see these little glimmers of hope, I hope they don't like reverse stance,

Speaker 17 celebrate them. And so then there was also an executive order that came down.
Was this another one last night against another law firm, Willem Hale, Willemer Hale? I'm not a big law person.

Speaker 17 They're pushing back. I saw a statement from Ryan Goodman, who tracks all this stuff, where they issued a statement saying essentially like, we're standing up for the rule of law, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 17 Good. So we have two firms doing the right thing in light of the bad.
Maybe that will encourage other people to stand together.

Speaker 17 And I think these things do have a way of starting and having a line of separation between the cavers

Speaker 17 and these people who take an oath to uphold the rule of law, actually doing it, is a pretty good stark dividing line. And hopefully people want to be on the right side of the ledger.

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Speaker 19 We're going to do some more positive at the very end because it's the weekend, but I've got to take us. I've got to take us to the reality.
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Speaker 19 I've got to bring us back to dark reality. Sorry.
Sorry. Amanda.
The vice president, the second lady, and the national security Advisor are in Greenland today.

Speaker 19 To set the tone for this conversation, I want to play for you

Speaker 19 the intro

Speaker 19 to this news story on ABC

Speaker 19 nightly news, whatever they fucking call it, ABC World News tonight, last night. Let's take a listen.

Speaker 21 A high-level American delegation led by Vice President J.D. Vance is heading to Greenland.
President Trump insisting the U.S. will, quote, go as far as we have to go to gain control of the island.

Speaker 21 ABC's senior national correspondent Terry Moran is there. And Terry, this has really become a high-stakes visit.

Speaker 22 Yeah, but this is a dramatic moment in the struggle for Greenland.

Speaker 19 The struggle for Greenland? What is happening? That is...

Speaker 17 Wait, that was on ABC News?

Speaker 19 That was ABC News. That was not like, don't look up.
That was not a clip from a spoof movie. Like, just dead serious, staring down the camera.
Terry Moran, the struggle for Greenland.

Speaker 19 What is the fucking struggle?

Speaker 19 What are we doing? What is happening?

Speaker 17 Okay, I didn't see that. I was highly entertained by the AP write-up of

Speaker 17 this visit coming to action. We'll get to the bad part, but like, if we would just walk through some of the absurdity of it.
Sure. Let's see.

Speaker 19 So

Speaker 17 this is the AP story. It says, initially, Usha Vance had announced a solo trip, but then her husband had to join her.
Then they had to change the itinerary again.

Speaker 17 They're supposed to see dog sled racing.

Speaker 17 Apparently, they were not welcome at the dog sled race.

Speaker 19 so then they had to narrow the visit she had to bring her husband and then they could only go to the military space force base yeah so like go by i want to add one little element to this yeah go greenland and go this is from den danish tv too i want to shout this this story out because this is my favorite story of the week apparently we sent some advanced people door to door in Greenland to find someone who would welcome Usha into their home and they couldn't find anybody.

Speaker 19 They couldn't find a single person that would invite, that would allow the second lady of the United States to come into their home to eat some whale blubber or whatever they do in Greenland.

Speaker 19 They couldn't, they couldn't find a single person. I love that.

Speaker 17 I mean, don't you get the impression that they thought by sending her, they could send like the nice face as like to warm them up towards, I guess, JD and Waltz coming.

Speaker 19 The people of Greenland have watched 101 Dalmatians. You know, it's not

Speaker 19 landing. Yeah.

Speaker 17 How do you piss off Greenland and also Canada? I mean, this is kind of amazing. Denmark.
Yeah, so that you can, they can only go to the Space Force base. They can't stay the long weekend.

Speaker 17 One day trip in and out. And you have to stay in the base because otherwise you'll be protested anywhere else.
Like they have to have a safe space in order to make this visit.

Speaker 17 I just, I find that hilarious. And I just like, can someone just slip Usha Vance, Karen Pence's phone number?

Speaker 17 Because I feel like they might have some things in common. They might need to get together for a little wine-netting.

Speaker 19 I am not putting Usha on the level of mother. Mother has shown more integrity so far in 2025 than every single person in the Republican Party, a handful of Democrats, most big law.

Speaker 19 Mother is stalwart.

Speaker 17 I don't know. I just have this vision of where JD was like, so Usha, like maybe we'll just go to Greenland for the weekend.
You can get a spa day, take some time off.

Speaker 17 And then Greenland's like, hell no, you're not coming here.

Speaker 19 I don't think they have spas in in Greenland. What is it like? Of course they do.
A snow spa?

Speaker 19 What would they do? There's only 50,000 people in Greenland. Greenland is as big as Monroe, Louisiana.
There's no spas in Monroe. I mean, you know, maybe there's...

Speaker 17 I'm just picturing like a nice little like cabin chalet, do a cold plunge.

Speaker 19 Cabin chalet? I don't think this is, I don't think this exists.

Speaker 17 I don't know. I'm from Michigan.
I think it's like the UP. You do?

Speaker 19 I don't think it's like the UP. But people of Nuke can give us a note because we're on your side.

Speaker 17 Well, they can invite me.

Speaker 19 Yeah, if you have a,

Speaker 19 you know, if you have a spa, some kind of ice spa or cold plunge, you can invite them in.

Speaker 17 Listen, I can go to a Sephora in Alta and do a cold plunge and that works.

Speaker 19 They definitely don't have a Sephora in Nuke.

Speaker 19 I don't think they do. It is a tiny, there's nobody there.

Speaker 17 Okay, CVS.

Speaker 19 I am so sure it's worth it.

Speaker 19 Here's the thing.

Speaker 19 We want to laugh. And me and JVL, if you're obsessed with the story as JVLis,

Speaker 19 we did the Bullwick Takes feed for our bonus feed. So go check that out.
Me and JVL did like 45 minutes on this last night because he just can't not talk about it. So there's the laughter.

Speaker 19 But like, if you are in Nuke or if you are in Denmark, you have to take this seriously. I mean, Putin last night gave a speech where he was like, you know, the Americans, Americans have a point here.

Speaker 19 I mean, they have to consider their strategic needs in the Arctic. So like Putin is seeing it.
from the serious point of view.

Speaker 19 If you're in Greenland and Denmark, you have to take it seriously. And they've been talking about it all week.

Speaker 19 And they went from just sending the second lady to then having the VP give an interview where he's like, the Danes aren't being a good ally, even though they're spending more than what they're supposed to on NATO.

Speaker 19 And then you have the VP saying, no, I'm going to come now. And then you're like, oh, we're going to bring the national security advisor because he's in trouble at home.

Speaker 19 You know, he shouldn't be walking around the halls of the White House. People get mad at him.
So we're going to send him. Like, what is the national security advisor doing there?

Speaker 19 Like, that's intimidating. I would be intimidated if I was Greenland, right?

Speaker 17 I agree. I think that's the point of this weird visit, but I am going to find some joy in the fact that they're isolated to a one-day in-and-out trip and they're not welcome there.

Speaker 19 I'm finding some joy in the backbone of the Greenlanders. And

Speaker 19 I love the Danish prime minister, Met. She's awesome.
So I am finding some joy in that. To me, this is like, are we sure that they aren't just going to

Speaker 19 try to put the American flag down

Speaker 19 in the ground and say, this is ours now?

Speaker 17 I mean, or they're real estate shopping for Trump's next whatever.

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Speaker 19 I want to talk to you about Elon. I do this for every conservative and ex-conservative that comes on here, just to kind of level set.

Speaker 19 Ostensibly, this is what we wanted.

Speaker 19 The government being reformed and cutting out the waste and abuse.

Speaker 19 We've all wanted this.

Speaker 19 I had a gentleman message me I used to work with that. It was like, there's no part of you that's still ostensibly conservative enough to support cutting government spending.

Speaker 19 Are you just a full-blown lib now?

Speaker 19 Maybe, I guess. I have a response to that question, but I'm wondering what your response is on what we're seeing from Elon and Doge.

Speaker 17 No, I don't know what part of my conservative background signed up for having an unvetted, unappointed, unstable

Speaker 17 person just come into the government without any of the proper security clearances, taking hold of private data, compromising it.

Speaker 17 And then just deciding to come up with a bunch of cuts while he's running like three other businesses.

Speaker 17 I mean, there's been plenty of work, lots of good, smart people who have proposed plans to systematically cut the government with buy-in from Congress in an actual constitutional way.

Speaker 17 And they just said, oh, with that, we're going to come up with our little doge kids and do whatever we want. So, no, I didn't sign up for that.

Speaker 17 I didn't sign up for signing off all this power, which does belong to Congress, to some dude.

Speaker 19 Okay. No, me neither.
That was also my response. Also, you know, there are some other things that conservatives were for besides cutting government waste.

Speaker 19 Things like being fiscally responsible, balancing the budget. Something these guys aren't doing.
Like, that's the whole farce of this whole thing.

Speaker 19 They're putting forth a budget that is going to increase the debt and deficit by trillions over the course of the administration, even including the cuts that they're doing here.

Speaker 19 Another conservative thing was, you know, believing in the separation of powers and the rule of law. Remember the whole, oh, we're a republic, not a democracy thing.
You know, we don't have a king.

Speaker 19 If you want to cut stuff, you control Congress. So just do it.

Speaker 19 You know, it's not actually going to save any money if you illegally fire people and then they all sue the government and get paid restitution for not working.

Speaker 19 That's actually, that's going to be a connect cost. So anyway, the whole thing is preposterous.

Speaker 19 On top of your unstable element of having this foreigner who doesn't really understand American values being in charge of this, I want to play Elon Musk last night with...

Speaker 19 Brett Baer talking about Senator Mark Kelly.

Speaker 22 Democratic Arizona Senator Mark Kelly posted on X about his trip to Ukraine to push for continuing to send U.S. weapons and support there, and you posted that he was a traitor.

Speaker 22 Why do that?

Speaker 29 Well, I think somebody

Speaker 29 should care about the interests of the United States above the interests of another country.

Speaker 29 And if they don't, they're a traitor.

Speaker 22 Yeah, but he's a decorative veteran, a former astronaut, a sitting U.S. Senator.

Speaker 29 That doesn't mean

Speaker 29 it's okay for him to put the interests of another country above America.

Speaker 22 Obviously, there are some Republicans who think supporting Ukraine is the right thing still, but there is a battle back and forth.

Speaker 19 And Brett Baer's face is just like, what are you talking about? His mouth is very dry, I noticed, now that I'm just listening to the audio. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Does sound like, you know, I don't know. I've heard some people at widespread panic shows that have mouths that sound that dry.

Speaker 19 I don't know if what Elon's doing, but anyway.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I don't know. You get the feeling that Brett was trying to help him do some cleanup in there and he just refused to clean himself up.

Speaker 17 But just the whole outside of Elon's work with Doge work and question marks, I do really think the Tesla backlash has been underrated in the government's response to it and how deeply alarming that is.

Speaker 17 Yes, it is terrible that he called Mark Kelly a traitor, obviously. But, you know, it kind of slipped under the radar that the FBI has established a task force to investigate terrorism against Tesla.

Speaker 17 Like, there's protests happening. Obviously, nobody, nobody burn up Tesla.
Like, stop that. Don't, nobody should do that.
Nobody should condone it.

Speaker 17 People who are considering that, like, it will rebound against you. Don't do that.
The best thing that could happen is that all these beautiful shining Teslas are sitting in lots unsold.

Speaker 17 Don't touch them. Let them sit there.
And I feel bad for people who bought Teslas before, in the before times. Like that, that does stink.
But let everything after 2024 sit.

Speaker 17 I mean, that's been very effective so far. And so I guess there are protests happening Saturday, Tesla takedowns.
I think that's really getting inside Elon's head.

Speaker 17 And if you want to talk about the terrorism aspect of this, there was somebody that drove into one of those protests in Florida. not so long ago.
So like, what about that?

Speaker 17 I mean, we can push back against this because the violence has been going one way for a long time and they still want so desperately, so desperately to put it on their opponents. Don't let them.
But,

Speaker 17 you know, I do think the quickest way to get Elon out of the government is to make him focus on his businesses. And there's so much save Elon effort going on right now to rescue.

Speaker 17 his Tesla business by Trump, by the DOJ, by the commerce secretary is telling everybody to buy a Tesla, buy a Tesla. You know, that's desperation.
That's panic.

Speaker 17 And when you get to, you know, what else is going to happen with Trump and the jobs and everything, you know, bigger picture, I'm not an economist.

Speaker 17 I don't see how there's not a recession from all this.

Speaker 19 I want to go to the economy next. I just want to say one thing about the other point that you made first about the, you know, looking into Tesla vandals as terrorists.
Elizabeth Newman,

Speaker 19 she was in DHS in the first term, came out, did the ad for Republican voters against Trump. I love her.
It's funny.

Speaker 19 Her origin kind of story about why she ended up being a whistleblower, whatever you want to call it, from the first Trump administration was that she's in DHS as an expert on domestic terrorism.

Speaker 19 And like at the time, there was a lot of

Speaker 19 chatter and worry about white nationalist domestic terror here in the country.

Speaker 19 And she was presenting reports, you know, talking about what to prioritize and, you know, what they should be looking into.

Speaker 19 And political people inside the administration wanted to silence that and say, that's not what we're going to focus. So we're not worried about that.

Speaker 19 That's like the TLDR of basically what was her main issues that resulted in her eventually leaving. That type of just sort of soft politicization, that's not like, oh, we're targeting.

Speaker 19 Wilmer Hale or whatever. Like that's overt, right? There is a subterranean version of that, which is just like what these people prioritize that you're just seeing.

Speaker 19 And at the DOJ, to use kind of the Veepish example, the signal thing, right? Like, again, had like some random captain accidentally texted Jeffrey Goldberg, he would be, he'd be investigated.

Speaker 19 Like, the DOJ would look into it or the DO or, you know, IG at the DOD has been fired or whatever, you know, like somebody would look into it, right? And there would be a real investigation.

Speaker 19 They'd be on leave. They'd look into the phone, right?

Speaker 19 And Bondi was asked about that yesterday, or two days ago, maybe, in a press conference. Like, are you going to look into this?

Speaker 19 And she's just like, well, I mean, Hillary Clinton clinton bleach bit her computer right and so it's just like the doj and the fbi are now totally unapologetic about this more subtle version of politicization where they're just like we're just going to investigate and look into foes political foes and perceived foes and like we're not even going to do this other stuff at all No, I mean, the politicization of all these independent agencies, but most particularly the Department of Justice, has always been one of the top democratic threats.

Speaker 17 And I don't like, I pulled this thing from Truth Social because I didn't even notice that he said it. Because by the way, he's posting all these things like in the middle of the night recently.

Speaker 17 Have you noticed that? Like the most absurd thing. So I think his people hear it and it does slide under the radar.

Speaker 17 But about Tesla, Trump posted, I look forward to watching the sick terrorist thugs get 20-year jail sentences for what they're doing to Elon Musk and Tesla.

Speaker 17 What are they doing? I don't, we don't know. He goes on, perhaps they could serve them in prisons of El Salvador, which have become so recently famous for such lovely conditions.

Speaker 19 I talked about this earlier in the week, or Monday, maybe.

Speaker 19 Chamoth, like this guy that's on the all-in podcast, that's friends with David Sachs, who is the crypto czar, who's friends with Elon, who's the shadow president. Like, he tweeted this.

Speaker 19 Like, he was the, I think, the first person to suggest this, right?

Speaker 19 That, like, that people that vandalize Teslas should maybe, and he specifically said citizens should be denaturalized and sent to San Salvador.

Speaker 19 And so now you just see the distance from that to now the president now suggesting that.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I mean, it is,

Speaker 17 it's shocking. I mean, it's in print.
This is in print. And it's just, you know,

Speaker 17 I was talking to some people who are just way outside of this, just kind of listening to not really participating in the conversation, but listening to how they were evaluating what was going on.

Speaker 17 And the idea that it's still out there. I mean, a smart people who lean Republican, okay, that this is all trumped up.
They were always out to get Trump.

Speaker 17 You know, the tariffs are bad, but like, really, it's not getting,

Speaker 17 it's just like, we're going to ride this out and be fine.

Speaker 17 It's like, how can you dismiss something that's written like that, given the track record, given the pardons, given the January 6th of everything?

Speaker 17 I mean, these are all people that lived through the policy debates about Guantanamo Bay, right? And how that became a legal black hole for, you know, foreigners.

Speaker 17 We are creating a legal black hole right now for

Speaker 17 Americans, right?

Speaker 19 Yeah. Legal residents at minimum already.
TBD. We don't know.
We don't know.

Speaker 19 We don't know why they're being available. That's a good point.
We actually don't know who's in San Salvador. That's a good point.
We don't know who's in San Salvador.

Speaker 19 There could be an American citizen.

Speaker 17 And that is something on the chart of authoritarian threats. I didn't have that one on there.
I studied this pretty deeply.

Speaker 17 That was something it came out of nowhere and it came out of nowhere fast because it's still March and this thing is being set up and piloted with people.

Speaker 17 We are a little bit unclear of the status and they're just being disappeared out there.

Speaker 17 And Christy Noam, costume Christy Noam, is going to go there and play dress up once again, have her photo op in front of these people. We don't know who they are.

Speaker 17 And we're just kind of watching it all happen. We don't know what to do.
Maybe those people deserved it. Maybe they'll show us information later.
I mean, we're being boiled.

Speaker 17 We are being boiled and the water's hot.

Speaker 19 I guess she must have have brought her government ID there just so they knew it was Christino, because with their new face, I don't, you know, maybe they were concerned it was somebody else that was coming to see the prisoners and do the fucking Nazi propaganda.

Speaker 17 Probably not what I would have worn to a prison.

Speaker 19 Ah,

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Speaker 19 All right, we're moving towards happiness. The first part is

Speaker 19 bad things might happen to Republicans. So that's a form of

Speaker 19 bad things might happen to everybody. So

Speaker 19 it's a mixed views. And then we're moving towards

Speaker 19 pure positive. Okay.
So we're getting there. 40 minutes in.
You mentioned it, the recession. Frankly, like out of everything out there,

Speaker 19 the economic uncertainty, we'll see what happens. The so-called reciprocal tariffs are supposed to come April 2nd.
Liberation Day. Liberation Day.
We'll see what actually happens.

Speaker 19 But no matter what happens, the signs are not good. And there's another Fed report out today.
They think that the market's going to do worse before Trump finally pulls back. I don't know.

Speaker 19 I don't know if they have psychologists at the Fed or experts on narcissistic sociopathy, but like, I don't know. I don't know what that's based on.
But anyway, that's their analysis.

Speaker 19 I mean, that's like the biggest political opportunity for the Democrats at this point. Like just taking out all of the morals and ethics and just like, what is the best political opportunity?

Speaker 19 This is that, right?

Speaker 17 I rate that number two. Here's where I think the biggest political opportunity is.
Like if you have to plan themes around what you know is going to happen, right?

Speaker 17 And to me, like Signal Gate is the beginning of it all. It's not the end.

Speaker 17 So if you have a Venn diagram, what do we know about this members of this administration, the people that Trump is putting in high positions positions of power.

Speaker 19 Turning over their heads.

Speaker 17 There's a Venn diagram between inexperienced, incompetent, and arrogant.

Speaker 17 They're in the middle of all those things. That means bad things are going to happen.

Speaker 17 Bad things are going to happen and unfortunately harm people at some point along the way. I don't know how we scraped out unscathed from the signal gate.

Speaker 17 We may not be because we don't know what other plans they were putting on signal.

Speaker 17 I mean, but that's like Mike Lawler had an amazing quote, Republican congressman, saying, We have to put safeguards in place so that this could never happen again. What are you talking about?

Speaker 17 There's a million safeguards in place, but you can't put a safeguard on somebody.

Speaker 17 On idiocy. Like, you don't want to put your seatbelt on.

Speaker 17 You're going to drive 100 miles an hour down the highway in the wrong direction, crash into a busload of school kids, and blame the kids for the crash. Like, that is what they're doing.

Speaker 17 While you're texting fist American flag fire emoji, yeah, but so there's no safeguards because that's incompetent, inexperienced, and arrogant.

Speaker 17 And that's just going to be happening again and again and again. I pray to God people don't get hurt.
I just don't know how they're going to. But did you see this?

Speaker 17 There was this woman in Oklahoma calling her senator Mark Wayne Mullins, likes to wear cowboy hats a lot, big dude. Her husband was some kind of service member, and she was just livid.

Speaker 17 And I think rightfully so, at the fact that our national security officials and defense secretary would be so reckless to put these messages on a public chain and possibly compromise American service members' lives.

Speaker 17 And she was filming herself calling in the office and saying, I'm going to call every single day and put this on film until I get a meeting and get some answers why you're allowing this to happen.

Speaker 17 Good. Yes, I would have, you know, my brother served in the Marine Corps.
And I, like, I never served. I've never been abroad.
Like, I haven't done any of this stuff.

Speaker 17 And I'm just terrified of what could happen by these inexperienced, incompetent, arrogant people because they won't pay a physical or personal price. It'll be someone else down the line.

Speaker 17 And so I think you have to really like go to the mat on this kind of stuff. You have to do it to protect your constituents, to protect our national security and everything else.

Speaker 17 And that's what you know is going to keep happening.

Speaker 17 Maybe it's going to happen with RFK, who doesn't believe in measles, and measles coming back, and they're just going to cut 10,000 jobs willy-nilly.

Speaker 17 Yeah, that'll have an impact on the recession that I think is coming. But these impacts are going to happen.

Speaker 17 And if you're not going to tie it to these problems, you know, what is also amazing is another like spin-off this is that all the MAGAs are saying, well, there can't be any scalps.

Speaker 17 Like we are going to keep Pete. He's not going anywhere.
Pete has no scalps, no scalps. What they are telling you right now is that they're okay with this happening again.

Speaker 17 The fact that there's no accountability for this stuff says we're cool with this happening again. There's no consequences, no prices, no investigation because we don't really care.

Speaker 17 We're not going to clean our act up. So, when the next thing does happen, you can say they planned it.
You have to make them own this, every single aspect, and don't give an inch.

Speaker 19 Well, the incompetence and the arrogance ties directly to the economic part, yes, right? Because it's like, yep, there's no reason for our economic uncertainty right now.

Speaker 19 It's all it's all a self-owned, right? Like, sometimes presidents get in there and you get bad luck.

Speaker 19 You know, a recession happens, something happens that was not on your watch, you know, that something systemic that's been happening for a long time in the, you know, in the market.

Speaker 19 There's a bubble, right? Like, that's not what, that's not the case here. This is all just their own incompetence and arrogance.

Speaker 19 And the funny thing that raised an eyebrow for me was some Tesla fanboy, taking this back to Elon, or some Tesla fanboy account was posting about how the tariffs are going to be good for Tesla.

Speaker 19 So you should buy Tesla's stock.

Speaker 19 Yeah. And then it was like a long thing.

Speaker 19 And I was like, but Elon replies to it, though, with with yes but to be clear this will affect the price of parts in the tesla cars that come from other countries and it's just like wait what i thought and then meanwhile you've got trump threatening the car companies even though his co-president is a car company owner threatening the other car companies saying you guys can't raise prices again like he's victor orban like he's like he's setting prices like a khrushchev we used to cry about the nanny state and this is like he's forcing everybody in the u.s market you'll sell the car the preferred car that I want for the price that I want so that I look good and Elon stays afloat and everybody's happy.

Speaker 17 Like, this is the biggest daddy state.

Speaker 19 But that, look, don't give us that image. Hey, I don't, I, I don't, Manny, Manny state.

Speaker 17 I take it all back.

Speaker 17 But, like, this is even like, it's grosser. I don't know.
I got to workshop it.

Speaker 19 We'll workshop it. Anyway, we'll see.
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Speaker 19 I want to close by talking about what happened to Elise so we can end with some shot and Freuda and talk a little bit about the Florida race.

Speaker 19 But when we were exchanging some notes beforehand, we talked yesterday. I talked yesterday with Lovett about the importance of collective action.

Speaker 19 And I think he's really good on this, coming from a more kind of progressive organizational background. He uses the word solidarity unironically, which is something that's like hard for me.

Speaker 19 So it was good to have Lovett out there doing it. But I know that you also feel like this is important.
And from like more of a, you know, nonpartisan protect democracy standpoint.

Speaker 19 So anyway, I just wanted to give you a chance to pop off on collective action before we, before we rubbed Elise's face in the dirt.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I also struggle with that term. I don't like it.
Like I naturally am just like, can we just like not say that? Like it's an ads.

Speaker 19 We find a synonym.

Speaker 17 Yeah, working together.

Speaker 17 Maybe we're starting to see some of that in the law firms that I referenced earlier, but it absolutely is important.

Speaker 17 Like, like I said earlier, all these executive orders are designed to individually target people, make them feel the pain, make them feel scared, isolated, and pit them against their other competitors in this space, right?

Speaker 17 That is what this is all about.

Speaker 17 Gosh, we didn't even talk about all the FCC investigations happening with Brendan Carr and how he's going after all the media companies. But another little glimmer of hope there.

Speaker 17 So he has been investigating CBS for this interview they did with Kamala Harris, which I know you've talked about in the past. And you see like

Speaker 17 groups like Americans for Tax Reform and others saying, you know what, maybe this isn't such a good idea.

Speaker 17 And I think the natural inclination is like, well, there's conservative groups who are worried about this because they're worried about a Democratic administration coming after them and censoring and editing their content.

Speaker 17 I'm not entirely sure about that because if you're, say, a Fox News, there's nothing to stop Trump from getting into your editing practices and going in there.

Speaker 19 Because we know that might be a bigger target, actually. Totally.
There's certainly that is certainly a likely leopards are eating my face type situation because it's the one he watches.

Speaker 19 So, you know, he could, again, you have to imagine 81-year-old Trump, grumpy three years from now, 81-year-old Trump telling even stupider FCC chairman that he's got to go after Steve Doocy because he said something mean to him that morning.

Speaker 19 Like, that just does not seem crazy at all. Like, that seems very possible.

Speaker 17 No, he's already done it. He already does try to

Speaker 17 dictate what Fox puts on the air. I mean, Sean Hannity might be his closet middle-of-the-night phone advisor, but he got Megan Kelly off the air.
I mean, he already does exercise control.

Speaker 17 So, that would only be true brochure.

Speaker 17 So, I think that is sort of interesting because where you see collective action work, I think, in real ways that are very effective are usually with the press, right?

Speaker 17 Like you see a lot of times when a spokesperson, well, this happened the other day with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Speaker 17 There was a clip of her and there was I think a reporter from the BBC asking her about SignalGate. And she said, are you an American citizen?

Speaker 17 I only take questions from American outlets and just tried to sideline the question. And then she, and then she pointed to somebody else and said, are you, do you represent an American outlet?

Speaker 17 I'll take your question. And that reporter said, no, I want you to answer hers.
I have the same question.

Speaker 17 Like, that is a nice little form. I think.
I think I didn't take like the lib class on collective action. I think that's how it's supposed to work.

Speaker 19 So more of that. No, it's spine stiffening.
No, it's again, it's just like the courage is contagious element of it, right? Like, that's what we're, that's what I really were talking about is like,

Speaker 19 make them come after everybody. You know what I mean? Like, that is what was so disappointing about the,

Speaker 19 you know, the folding at the law firms, right? Like, cause it's like, do it. Try it.
Let's see. Let's see.
Like these guys are weaker than they seem.

Speaker 17 Put the burden on them.

Speaker 19 Yeah. They have less power than it seems like.
They're less willing to put themselves out there. Like they're going after the easiest targets.
Just look at it. Greenland.

Speaker 19 Venezuelan refugees fleeing communism.

Speaker 19 Female college students that are writing op-eds. The zoo, right? Like, look at it.

Speaker 19 They're not taking on, they're not going after Putin. They're not challenging, you know, the toughest institutions in this country.
And they're doing that because,

Speaker 19 like, A, they're testing. It's a testing ground, right?

Speaker 19 To see how far they can go, you know, but B, because they're, they're all weenies, you know, and so like they're going to back down from a collective opposition to them.

Speaker 19 And I do think that's an important reminder to people. I agree.

Speaker 17 I agree completely.

Speaker 19 All right. Let's go to some Schotten Freud.
Elise Stefanik, my old friend, my old colleague, main character in why we did it, a travelogue from the Republican Road to Hell.

Speaker 19 It's really tough. It's tough for her.
I mean, she changed her entire personality for Mr. Trump.
She changed everything. She just suckled up to him.
She couldn't even say his name.

Speaker 19 She couldn't even say his name into 2017 or 18. She refused to say his name.
She just called him the president. That was funny.
She hated him so much.

Speaker 19 And then she just flipped on a dime, thanks to Alex deGrasse and other people around her that let her know how she could succeed.

Speaker 19 She did it all so that she could achieve a dream, become United Nations ambassador. She gets it.
She gets everything that she wants. She gets nominated.
And then what happens?

Speaker 19 Well, Trump kind of nominated too many House Republicans. And so the majority got very narrow.
And then a couple of House Republican women got pregnant. Kat Kamak and Annapolina Luna.

Speaker 19 So they couldn't show up to vote all the time. And so then their margins got even narrower.

Speaker 19 And then in a Pennsylvania state Senate district that Trump won by 15, some Democrat named James Malone ends up winning it. And then they're like, shoot, we could lose some of these special elections.

Speaker 19 And then next Tuesday, there's an election for Mike Waltz's seat. I bet Trump wishes he could send Waltz back to the seat.
Mike Waltz's seat in Florida 6, which is over on the Palm Coast.

Speaker 19 So if you know anybody in Daytona or all the way up north off the coast, off the Atlantic coast, there, tell them to go out and vote on Tuesday.

Speaker 19 And you've got this teacher, Josh Weill, math teacher, running against Randy Fine. We can get into it if you want, very complicated why that's, but there are a lot of reasons why that is a potential.

Speaker 19 Probably not. The Republicans are probably going to win.
It's like Trump won the district by like 20-plus points, but they're nervous. The polls show it very close.
They're worried.

Speaker 19 And so, as a result of all these sequence of events, Trump's like, sorry, Elise, you got to go back to Congress. You can't be the United Nations ambassador.
All of her staff has taken other jobs.

Speaker 19 The reports were that she was calling Marla. I go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, please, no, let me keep it.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Nope, too late.
Trump bleeds it. She's back.
Tough titties.

Speaker 19 Sorry, Elise. Anyway, what do you think, Amanda?

Speaker 17 I mean, she's happy to do this for the president that she loves so much, right? Like, this isn't a problem. This shouldn't be a problem.

Speaker 17 She's happy to sacrifice, to go back to the house, to have that little office, to not have all the security detail and trappings of being UN ambassador. I'm sure her reward is coming later, right?

Speaker 19 Yeah, you've seen it from so many other people that Trump brushed aside. You know, Reince and John Kennelly and Pence and Mad, you know, you see it all.

Speaker 19 You see it often that their award comes on the back end. It's tough.
It's tough for poor Elise. The other thing is her Instagram feed yesterday was like a, was like a highlight reel.

Speaker 19 Like for, we're in March Madness right now for people.

Speaker 19 It was kind of like a one shining moment, moment, like at the end of the tournament is like a highlight reel of all the great things that she did in Congress.

Speaker 19 She was posting like a retrospective of her career in Congress. That was her Instagram feed yesterday.
And then she got the call. Sorry, you're going back.

Speaker 17 You know, it is kind of interesting. So about that race, I mean, next Tuesday, you know, with the Wisconsin Supreme Court race and that one, I agree Republican will probably pull it out.

Speaker 17 But if it can put some vulnerability into the system, you know, people are nervous. It should be a gimme win for Republicans.
It may not be. We have to be looking at these tealies.

Speaker 17 You know, the Wisconsin race is really going to be a referendum on Elon Musk's influence, how that plays on the ground. So we'll have a lot of good information to draw from that.

Speaker 17 And the fact that, at least, because of these slim margins, because of the environment that Trump has created, had the biggest win, election win ever, but she's got to get recalled back to Congress and not have this job.

Speaker 19 It doesn't sound like a man.

Speaker 17 They talk a lot of talk, but these are facts on the ground that might could change some things, little battles battles along the way.

Speaker 19 It could change some things. It could change the way Republicans act in Congress if they're worried that they're, that they, you know, they start worrying about their own health.

Speaker 17 They're going to have to spend money regardless. You might win, but it's going to be, it's going to be nasty.
Trump is going to have to.

Speaker 19 Well, Elon is having an event in Wisconsin this weekend where he hands out. What do you think of that? This is going to turn me into a Bernie.
I know. I'm literally turning into a Bernie, bro.

Speaker 19 Like, it's like, it's like the inverse of, you know, there's the cartoon that makes fun of the far-right wing nationalists where like, if you call, if you keep calling me a Nazi, I'm going to have to become a Nazi.

Speaker 19 And they're shaving their head and and like getting a Nazi tattoo. That's kind of like me.

Speaker 19 Yeah,

Speaker 19 if Elon keeps handing out $1 million checks to people to go out and vote, it's going to turn me into a Bernie bro. Like I'm going to be wearing a field of burn tea on the pod pretty soon.

Speaker 19 But yeah, I mean, that's really gross.

Speaker 19 But again, so it's like, if Elon puts

Speaker 19 10 plus million, it's going to be maybe close to 20 by the end.

Speaker 17 Insane.

Speaker 19 In a Wisconsin court race, and then they lose anyway. Then it's like, oh man, maybe Elon's money isn't as scary as we thought.
Make him spend it everywhere. Yeah, make him spend it everywhere.

Speaker 19 And then in the Florida 6, just to talk about that, because we talked about Wisconsin yesterday,

Speaker 19 you know, this race also is going to have house members. There's this big bill coming up.
This is why Lise has to come back. They have this tiny majority.
They want to extend the Trump tax cuts.

Speaker 19 They want to codify all these gross Doge cuts. You know, they want to do hand, like, this is, this is their big bill.
They don't have much wiggle room.

Speaker 19 And if this House race, even if it's close, like, even if it's just close, it's going to make some of these guys, like the Mike Lawlers you mentioned, be like, I don't know, I don't want to put myself out there.

Speaker 19 And this race, there's a lot of things that are kind of working in the Democratic guy's favor. This guy, Randy Fine,

Speaker 19 is a horrible, I mean, he's like a disgusting

Speaker 19 specimen.

Speaker 17 And they all know it too. If you read the news stories on him, they all know he's not a good candidate.
He's not doing the work.

Speaker 19 And he's in a fight with DeSantis. So there's like, so the Republican base is not excited.
It's already depressed, right? Democratic base is.

Speaker 19 So I'm not really hopeful for a win, but I think even a close loss is meaningful. And again, if you know people, you know, go and check them out.

Speaker 17 Or just anything that isn't close to Trump's margins, right? Like Trump blew the seed out. If this is like less than 10 points, I think the Democrats should really shove in their face.

Speaker 19 Yeah, for sure. So Josh Weil, if you know somebody over there, spend some time in Daytona Beach.
I got to tell you.

Speaker 19 Not great. Not my favorite city in America, but you could surprise me, Daytonans.

Speaker 19 Come out show me what you got. Amanda, you have any final, uh, final thoughts for everybody going into the weekend?

Speaker 17 No, just everybody take care of yourself. I think I've said this pretty consistently.
It's like always my mantra. Like, this is going to be a long four years.

Speaker 17 I do think because I am optimistic about our ability to overcome it, but I do think right now through summer, if things go well, will be the hardest time. Right.
Like, this is

Speaker 19 the hardest time. That is optimism.
I, I'm not feeling that, but great.

Speaker 17 If we, if we put in the work now, right? Draw attention to the right issues. I mean, you have to fight now to survive later.
So put in the work now and then rest up, be ready to go the distance.

Speaker 17 You know, the best athletes take care of themselves all the way to go to the Olympics. You can't get a sprained ankle now.
So do what you need to do. Fight hard, fight healthy.

Speaker 19 All right. Yeah.
You want a hot body. You got to put in the work, you know, Amanda? It's true.
It's just how it is. All right, everybody.
You have a good weekend.

Speaker 19 We'll be back here as good as you can. You know, we'll be back here Monday with Bill Crystal.
We'll see you all then. Peace.

Speaker 19 So I come up,

Speaker 19 big blonde.

Speaker 19 I think I could've been your man.

Speaker 19 We watched the surfers as they went on the strand. Ah,

Speaker 19 Daytona said.

Speaker 27 Long hairs, low eyes, I like your style.

Speaker 27 We both ain't got a job

Speaker 25 I haven't seen my band in a while

Speaker 25 At least nothing seems to last that long

Speaker 25 So hit the road, they're gone

Speaker 25 Take me home to Mississippi

Speaker 25 It's not that I don't care. It's just more to make a plan.
But ah,

Speaker 25 they told us Sam.

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