James Carville: We Just Have to Win

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Speaker 4 Hello and welcome to the Borg Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller.
You know, it's James Carville. Let's do it a little different today.

Speaker 4 All right, that's more like it. We like it like that down here.

Speaker 4 I am excited to be here today with my man, The Raging Cajun, James Carville, the subject of the new CNN documentary, Winning Is Everything stupid Stupid.

Speaker 4 james welcome back to the pod man well thank you i'm glad to be here tim good to be here it is good to be with you as always and i was i was delighted and honored to have our last conversation be the be the closing credits of the of the documentary which people should watch but i must say mary i think was the star of the show and i want you to tell her that she's welcome on this podcast anytime she's got stuff to get off her chest about you or politics or anything like she was amazing she made the movie you know somebody a couple of people commented to me the movie had very strong feminist undertones and mary and my mother and my sister were very very much you know shaping it but not just shaping it but you know big part of the film and i think it would have not been near as good a movie without mary's and her pretty enthusiastic participation i would say totally agree she was wonderful i'd be delighted to get a little more face time with her a little less with you i want to play one clip though I want to play one clip from the movie to kind of get us in the right mood, get us in the right headspace.

Speaker 4 It's at the end.

Speaker 4 It's not actually from this cycle, this clip I'm about to play, but I think it's more relevant now than ever. It might have gotten me a little emotional.
So let's take a listen.

Speaker 5 Damn it, this country is worth fighting for.

Speaker 5 The principle of the generational promise is worth fulfilling.

Speaker 5 And I am not going to let anybody say at a time that our basic institutions, our basic philosophy, our sense of decency, and our sense of national purpose is under attack

Speaker 5 that I sat by and did nothing more than pull a lead.

Speaker 5 That's your choice.

Speaker 5 I think I know what you're going to do. I know that you people and people like you around this country want to not just fight back, but you want to fight for something.

Speaker 5 You want to fight for this nation.

Speaker 5 You want to fight for its people.

Speaker 5 You want to fight for its children.

Speaker 5 And And most importantly, you want to fight for its future.

Speaker 5 We have big battles coming up.

Speaker 5 I'm going to count on you.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 4 Hell yeah. I mean, but, God, could you imagine that when you were saying that back then, that what we'd be fighting for right now?

Speaker 2 No, I have no.

Speaker 2 I never could imagine that anything would ever be in the place it is right now, Tim.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it's distressing, it's depressing, and at some level, it's also gratifying. But it depends on if we win or not.
I mean, that's the whole mess of the movie.

Speaker 2 That's the whole ball of wax. I mean, we lose this, we blow a whole gasket, I think.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 that's pretty emotional.

Speaker 4 It is. And I know that I know the listeners that hear and the Bullard crew, I mean, this is a place where that lands, you know? Like, we are fighting for something real here.

Speaker 4 And I know that a lot of people are

Speaker 4 getting out there in their own way.

Speaker 4 Not everybody has a big mouth like us, but I think it's important to encourage everybody to get out there in their own way and knock on doors, do what they need to do for the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 The other thing from the movie I want to kind of tie to what's happening in the present day is obviously there's a lot of time talking about 92 and how clear your message was, that little whiteboard that everybody has seen by now, change versus more of the same.

Speaker 4 It's the economy stupid. Don't forget healthcare.

Speaker 4 I want to talk about what that core message is for both sides this time for donald trump does a times article out this week that the ad that he is running the most the number one ad in impressions right now is this one that i played on the podcast last week i don't want us to suffer through again about the taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners i'm sure you've seen this during football commercials

Speaker 4 i have is that really it i mean like is that their issue is that Maybe it is, I don't know. Is that their number one issue on the whiteboard right now? Sex changes for prisoners?

Speaker 2 Well, it's also

Speaker 2 FEMA is, you know, every liar they can tell about FEMA.

Speaker 2 I think they just see stuff and they lie.

Speaker 2 And it's amazing how many times they get caught. And if they get caught telling one lie, they tell five more.

Speaker 2 You know, the whole sex change transgender thing.

Speaker 2 My hero a lot of this is the governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, who's exactly who you think. Spencer Cox, if you think you know Spencer Cox, you do know it.

Speaker 2 It's a straight Mormon conservative to the core. And Utah, yeah, milk drinking, you know, and they passed something about trans athletes.
He said, look, I'm vetoing this.

Speaker 2 There are 100,000 high school athletes in Utah. Five are trans.
Somebody else can deal with this shit. All right.
This is not a worldwide problem.

Speaker 2 The Olympics deal with it. The MCA deals with it.

Speaker 2 What do we need to even spend time on this? I don't understand. But there's a lot of things I understand.

Speaker 4 You and A.B. stopped at our line this morning.
Our headline story today is Republicans' closing message, we lie to you.

Speaker 4 I don't know, like on the trans thing, like, what is the, like, just like Chris Lazavita is not an idiot, okay? Like, he's not an idiot. All right.

Speaker 4 He might have sold his soul, but he's not an idiot.

Speaker 4 What is it? Like, are they sitting there because they just think that is it a stand-in for she's an extreme California liberal?

Speaker 4 And, like, and this is just, we want to make it seem as extreme as possible. So, we're going to show this picture of a non-binary, you know, male, assigned male at birth guy with a lipstick on.

Speaker 4 Is that like that the whole deal?

Speaker 2 You know, I'm not sure that Chris Osavita or Susie Wilds really run this thing.

Speaker 2 Every time you hear somebody say, we need to get back to the issues. Okay, yeah, we let's go to the issues.
You know, trans people are coming. They're coming.

Speaker 2 You send your kid to school in the morning, you kiss them goodbye, and they come back and you kiss a boy goodbye, the girl comes back, or you kiss a girl goodbye, and the boy comes back.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we keep telling ourselves, man, this can't work. And it keeps working.

Speaker 2 And to an extent, I think Trump knows if he doesn't feed that monster that he's created, that they'll lose their appetite. I mean, they're ravenous people.
They got to keep being fed this stuff. And,

Speaker 2 you know, kidnapping kids and giving them surgery to change their genders. Why not?

Speaker 2 And I mean, almost the crazier it is, the better.

Speaker 4 You mean strategically? They think the crazier it is, the better, because it keeps people excited.

Speaker 4 That's how they're keeping the lower engage people engaged.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. And I told you those people in San Francisco were like that.
I told you those people in Boston were like that. Look, Trump knows.

Speaker 2 I just

Speaker 2 think that he feels like if he doesn't appeal to misogyny, to racism, to fear, to the great replacement theory, that his people will back off.

Speaker 2 And he's not going to talk about the issues because the issue to him is if you're white, you're losing and they're coming after you. And that's the only issue that he promotes.

Speaker 2 And that's the issue that's taking him a long way.

Speaker 4 What about the other side of the coin?

Speaker 4 I think that Kamla coming out of, you know,

Speaker 4 when that parade started that we talked about the last time when she just jumped out of the chute and was focused on freedom, focused on how we're not going back. Is that breaking through? Is that it?

Speaker 4 Are those the messages on the whiteboard? Like, what is it for her for the last month?

Speaker 2 Well, we know, Tim, they're a great big event campaign.

Speaker 2 The vice presidential rollout, hard to follow. The convention, you're ready.
You'd have to nitpick to find

Speaker 2 it. The debate, she was exceedingly well prepared.
What I'm less confident in is their day-to-day ability to fight trench warfare.

Speaker 2 And I'll give you what I think is an example.

Speaker 2 The whole press criticism, she doesn't doesn't do long-form interviews. She needs to sit down.

Speaker 2 You know, if Tim Russet was here, she'd have to talk to him. And so, what do we do? We do 60 Minutes, we do Colbert, we do everything.

Speaker 2 Create your own weather.

Speaker 2 If somebody comes on your show, you get to ask the questions. They respond to what you ask.
That's normal. That's what 60 Minutes does.

Speaker 2 She needs to go out every day and smack him in the mouth and then have people come behind and keep smacking him.

Speaker 2 So J.D. Vance says in a debate that

Speaker 2 Trump saved Obamacare. Why not have Obama out there and say, I don't know what this guy is talking about.
You have 23 million people that now have health insurance.

Speaker 2 By the way, the subsidies for health insurance are coming up in 2025. He's going to get rid of it.
You know, for the life of me, they need to put President Clinton.

Speaker 2 They can put him right in the studio, go to all these markets in these swing states, do television, explain to people why these tariffs are going to ruin the United States, which we know, and even you and I could explain that.

Speaker 2 But they just give them free reign. You have to hold them in and

Speaker 2 jam them on stuff that really matters to people. I mean, like he says, you've got nothing to lose in this economy.
Look, you may not be where you want to be, but you've got something to lose.

Speaker 2 Let me tell you right now,

Speaker 2 most everybody has a job. Anybody that has any kind of investment, retirement is doing pretty good.
Shit, you just stop long and you can't hold it back. The crime rate is down.

Speaker 2 I saw something else in just a minor thing. The death rate from fentanyl is down pretty considerably.

Speaker 2 I mean, you're not going to run over that, but it's just when they say there's nothing to lose in America, the whole country is a modern shithole. That's just not true.

Speaker 2 That's demonstratively not true.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I agree on the more is more. I do think Obama's getting out there.
I'll send that little advice to Favreau for the speech, but like they've been more.

Speaker 4 I agree. It's been good.

Speaker 4 I was thrilled she was out there yesterday. I think this whole thing, the whole navel-gazing thing on what media should she do, it's like, do everything.
Be out there, drive a message.

Speaker 4 You wrote about a month ago. I wanted to pull this up because it kind of relates to what you just said in the Times.
And op-ed, three pieces of advice for her.

Speaker 4 Advice number one was kick his ass at the debate. Check.
Advice number two was move on for 2020. It's okay to be strong and wrong on some of these issues where you went too far left.
She did that.

Speaker 4 Check. Third advice was find some distance from Biden.
Here's Kamala on the view yesterday.

Speaker 6 Would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years?

Speaker 6 There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of, and I've been a part of

Speaker 6 most of the decisions that have had impact.

Speaker 4 It's not quite right. It's not quite right on check number three.
What do you think, James?

Speaker 2 You know, I don't think she really wants to go there, although I think she could have done what he did. He said, sought some good things.

Speaker 2 And, you know, she can talk about how she wants to complete them. She can talk about, you know, we didn't have a conference where we need to be more aggressive.

Speaker 2 The most popular thing consistently is raise taxes on people that make more than a half million dollars a year. I mean, I'm sorry,

Speaker 2 it polls really, really well.

Speaker 2 She could have said, I thought he could have been a little more aggressive talking about women's reproductive rights, which I think is kind of culturally. Biden is

Speaker 2 understandably, he doesn't,

Speaker 2 he's pro-choice, but he doesn't.

Speaker 4 He didn't like saying the word abortion.

Speaker 2 He doesn't like, you're right. She could say that.
I mean, there's any number of things we could be bored.

Speaker 4 Or you could just look forward and just be like, ah, you know, good question. I don't know.
I think we need to build 3 million new homes. That's why I have it in the plan.
Just fucking do that.

Speaker 2 The thing she could have said, which is demonstrably true,

Speaker 2 know, I probably is a little part of this. We were slow to wake up, but now we got the border right.
Okay, you'd say she couldn't say this, but they listened to the goofy ass left.

Speaker 2 And everybody that's ever listened to them is end up,

Speaker 2 it's ended up being a disaster. But, I mean, she had a lot of things she could have said

Speaker 2 that would have given her some wiggle room.

Speaker 2 And I think President Biden said certain type of politics. You know, Trump obviously much different different than I do, but I think it's time for America to turn the page.

Speaker 2 You know, I think we're looking for something fresh and something different. You got all kinds of things you can do in that, not be disloyal or piss people off.

Speaker 4 We can do some nitpicking. You admitted it in the documentary.
You're the guy that you hate now.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 4 complaint nitpicking. But this is nitpicking with love.
You know, we're trying to get there. We're trying to get there.
On the other side, though, like you mentioned it earlier on the hurricane stuff.

Speaker 4 I just want to dig a little bit deeper on this. It's truly insane.
What is happening?

Speaker 4 I think that for people that live in the reality-based world where they get news from regular places, I think it's hard to comprehend just how crazy the shit is that's out there in the mega internet sphere.

Speaker 4 Chuck Edwards, not a moderate Republican congressman from North Carolina, put out a press release.

Speaker 4 I'm not going to read the whole thing, but the whole thing is, we'll put it in the show notes because it's insane to read the whole thing.

Speaker 4 He puts out this press release: it's like, y'all, Hurricane Helene was not geoengineered by the government to seize and access lithium deposits.

Speaker 4 Local officials are not abandoning search and rescue efforts to bulldoze chimney rock. FEMA cannot seize your property or land.
The FAA is not restricting access to airspace for Helene rescue.

Speaker 4 Like this, this dude is a mega congressman that feels like he has to put this out because he's hearing so much crazy shit from his constituents. And Trump is stoking this.

Speaker 4 Like there is not precedent for this. I mean, you've lived through a bunch of hurricanes.
Like what? Like there is no precedent for this.

Speaker 2 Well, this is a piece of advice i have for the administration and god i hope they take it call up mitch landrew who's a co-chair of campaign and say mitch we need you to come and we need you to do press briefings every morning at nine o'clock on the on the response because the bullshit is coming the guy you know ran the national guard when he was lieutenant governor he was a mayor eight years but must probably hit with four hurricanes during his term he knows it back and forth his insurance is all As you know, he's the best speaker in the entire Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 And don't wait for this information to get out there. And you say, we always make the same mistake.
Oh, no one's going to believe this shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're going to believe that shit if they don't hear something different. All right.
Trust me, they will. And they have to counter this aggressively.

Speaker 2 And there's nobody better to do that than he is.

Speaker 2 And they're going to go through, well, he's a white male. He's older.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 just put him out there and you know as barny fife would say nip it nip it nip it in the bud right now and if you don't it's gonna grow nip it and also attack right i mean like isn't trump vulnerable to attack on this it's like he doesn't care about these people Like these people's lives are at risk now.

Speaker 4 And it's like the local MAGA Republicans have to be like, oh, no, we're actually trying to help. And Trump's like, no, you know, Trump's like, no, you know, trying to make their lives harder.

Speaker 2 Let me give you a clip to run. After Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico and his president, he threw paper towels at him.

Speaker 2 You think the people of Western North Carolina are looking for paper towels right now? That's how Joe Scarberg this morning, his name dropping. Okay, what the fuck, this name dropped.

Speaker 2 We'll talk about, you know what, how bad this Tampa storm is? Unless you've lived with this your life, you don't understand how bad this is going to be.

Speaker 2 And that water is going to have a hell of a hard time getting out of Tampa Bay because it's surrounded by land everywhere. And they're just, they haven't had this.

Speaker 2 And this is going to be a catastrophe.

Speaker 2 You just watch, you know, and we, you and I know a lot of people that live in Sarasota, you know, that part of Southwest Florida, Boca Grande, they're going to exist.

Speaker 2 You know.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's horrible. And this, I guess this is to the point, though, right? It's so horrible.

Speaker 4 And this, like, 10 years ago, you're back 10 years, you said, Tim, like, what is going to break the fever on the right? You know, like, what, how are you going to get people back to reality?

Speaker 4 And I, my answer used to be, like,

Speaker 4 we need some big disasters to happen, and then people get serious. You know, we have COVID.
They like made up some lie about how the vaccine was Bill Gates trying to control your mind.

Speaker 4 We have these horrible hurricanes. One has already happened, this other one's coming.

Speaker 4 And there are a handful of Republicans that are doing acting normal, but like the whole information ecosystem is crazier than than ever.

Speaker 2 It is. I just like, and you know, right now, we're not going to change any of that.
We just have to win the election.

Speaker 2 If we can deal with all that after we win, there's so much on the plate, we just got to stay focused on November the 5th, whatever the date is. I think it's the 5th of November, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 There's so much.

Speaker 2 It's so insane. And like he's selling $100,000 watches that, you know, that I can go get the same watch on Times Square from a street guy for $30.

Speaker 2 It's true.

Speaker 4 We've got to win it because he's so dangerous.

Speaker 4 But also like for the for people that are going through these problems, this needs to be a win because they don't care and they're not trying to help it and they're not trying to solve it.

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Speaker 4 i want to talk to you about woodward because he kind of got crazy shit you ever deal with woodward for one of those books like the agenda or one of those books were you ever one of the characters i'm trying to i don't think i read a clinton it was it you know the

Speaker 2 first book on the clinton administration listen what was it like dealing with him you know he's very seductive guy

Speaker 2 and you know oh you know and i'm not going to quote you it's all going to be an archive or something i mean he's a very like i say he's a very seductive seductive guy. He's a very good interviewer.

Speaker 2 James, Elson, and I come out and we'll see you. Okay.
Yeah, I mean, he is a hell of a journalist

Speaker 2 and he works his ass off. I mean, he really does.
You know, some people talk about the long arc of my career. Shit, Bob Woodward has been relevant since 1972.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, come on, man.

Speaker 2 I mean, this guy has been the most consistently relevant journalist in American history period you know like anybody else people say well he's not that good a writer that's like how are you getting this stuff and I guess the the game is and I've done experienced this a little bit but like he gets you to tell him something off the record and then he tells somebody else that he's got it and that gets them to admit it right like that's the game basically so he would say now this was the meeting the president was sitting there mrs clinton was sitting there lloyd benson was sitting there roger Roger Altman was sitting there, and now you were sitting right here.

Speaker 2 We're sitting in this chair. Okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's that level of skilled interviewer.

Speaker 2 Where you think he knows everything anyway, and he's looking for confirmation. Maybe there's something you can add to it.
You know, I think I got everything, but you know, he's very good at it.

Speaker 2 And he works it. He works like a rented mule, man.
That guy is hard working as you can imagine.

Speaker 4 The big reveal from the book that we've seen so far, I've got the book sitting downstairs.

Speaker 4 I haven't read it all, but from what is leaked is that a Trump staffer, I guess, told him that Trump's had several phone calls with Putin, maybe as many as seven, since he left office.

Speaker 4 And there was no strong denials on that. And then the other one is that Trump, as a favor, apparently sent him COVID tests during the height of the COVID.

Speaker 4 fear and Putin said to Trump, don't tell anybody you're doing this because it'll hurt you. So like Putin's obviously

Speaker 4 is trying to help Trump getting a favor from him, a private, I mean, just like the scale of scandal, like a politician cutting the line when we had limited tests, you know, it'd be one thing if they were like giving it to their mom who was sick or something.

Speaker 4 You know, they wanted, they wanted to steal a couple tests for their beloved family members. He's sending them to Putin.

Speaker 2 Look, this is something I'll say we know. There is a P-tape.
Okay, there just is.

Speaker 2 The theory of the P-tape explains everything. James,

Speaker 4 is it a truth that explains everything that Donald Trump just likes being flattered and all you have to do is say nice things? And Mr.

Speaker 4 Donald, you're so great.

Speaker 4 Does he really need to have blackmail?

Speaker 2 Look, do I know it? Can I prove it? Not yet, but it's going to come out. And I hope I'm still alive

Speaker 2 when the P-tape comes out. I think it's there.
I got to tell you right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I flatter you, but what Trump doesn't do, at some level, he might be the most honest person to ever run for president. Now, that sounds weird, but he can't help himself about Russia.

Speaker 2 What is it about Russia that so fascinates him that they so like so much?

Speaker 2 I don't know, but they do.

Speaker 4 Just for the record, I disagree. I think the P-Tape is probably not real.
Okay, all right, well, just because he's a just because he's like a hypochondriac and he doesn't like to shake people's hands.

Speaker 4 And I think that he's even sadder than that. I think he just likes to be liked.
And Putin's like, Putin's so strong, and he likes me.

Speaker 2 Well, you don't know who the PE is.

Speaker 2 Maybe you don't know who was doing the P in.

Speaker 2 It could just be a watch. I'm just convinced without proof, but

Speaker 2 we'll see. But flattery a long way, but he just can't help it.
There's something.

Speaker 2 Maybe he has some kind of a crush on Putin. I don't know.

Speaker 4 I definitely think a man crush. So I guess my question is, when you go back to your earlier comment, where like the campaign has to drive news cycles, has to get out there, attack them, be aggressive.

Speaker 4 I totally agree with that. And there are a lot of openings.
I liked your Obamacare example. This is like not really that, right? Because people don't want to hear about COVID.

Speaker 4 People don't want to hear.

Speaker 4 On the one hand, it is a fucking scandal that should shock the conscience. At the height of COVID, when we didn't really know when people are dying, he's sending tests to Putin.

Speaker 4 On the other hand, I don't know. People don't want to remember that stuff, right?

Speaker 2 So he tells Woodward. We already knew this from the previous book.

Speaker 2 He said, this is really bad stuff, but I'm going to underplay it. Yeah.
It's really bad. I mean, like, he knew, and somebody said, actually, I think this is some validity.

Speaker 2 You're supposed to protect the country. Right.
All right. It would be like he would say that, and the Japanese were landing in California.

Speaker 2 He says, I don't want to tell anybody to just get people scared. We'll have them by the time they get to Denver.

Speaker 2 It's so far out of what you're accustomed to hearing.

Speaker 2 That that didn't hurt him that much. It didn't hurt him at all.
I'm going to play it now. I know it's bad.
You know, he was sitting there, and of course, Woodward had all of the tapes.

Speaker 2 So after you hear that, what else can shock you that he's sending Putin COVID tests?

Speaker 2 And Putin is like a good enough politician, but don't tell anybody, man, that'll hurt you. We need you around there.

Speaker 2 And I guarantee you, he listens to Putin's advice.

Speaker 4 So secular here. I do have something that can alarm you, though, James.
I don't think that you're ready for this. I don't think our listeners are ready for this.
This was on Primetime Fox last night.

Speaker 4 I just want to clear, there's a Miller that is referenced here. It's not me, though.
It applies to me a little bit more than the actual subject. But Jesse Wanders is talking about Stephen Miller.

Speaker 4 Brace yourself. Let's listen.
We just have to address the elephant in the room. We're getting a lot of texts from women.

Speaker 2 about Miller and his appearances and his appearance.

Speaker 4 Our audience at primetime believes you're some sort of sexual matador.

Speaker 4 What do you have to say for yourself? Well, let me give advice to any young man that's out there.

Speaker 4 I'm married now, I have children, but I wasn't married that long ago. I was single, I was in the market.

Speaker 4 If you're a young man, it's very important in election season who's looking to impress ladies, to be the alpha, to be attractive.

Speaker 4 The best thing you can do is to wear your Trump support on your sleeve. Show that you are a real man.
What do you think about that human condom being the sign of manhood, Carville?

Speaker 2 I have a visual of that guy.

Speaker 2 I don't judge anybody by anything sexual. I never have.
It's not part of my DNA. It's not part of my ethos.
But if I knew a girl that fucked him, I would get away from her.

Speaker 2 That's something that's a flaw. I mean, not only does that guy sound creepy, everything about him just screams creepy at you.
Like, how fucking drunk were you? Jesus. Who are you thinking?

Speaker 4 that is demon sperm that is demon sperm you went as far away from you as possible onto the serious side of it okay i've heard you talking about this stuff and and the the kind of manhood element of this of this election and you know the swing voter of the white man the forgotten man white man

Speaker 4 the white college male yeah the white male demo you know how how are we feeling about this like uh as it seems like there's been a little bit more of a proactive effort for the democrats to try to speak to this this demo that's moving away from them.

Speaker 4 I mean, obviously, if Stephen Miller and J.D. Vance are the epitome of manhood, it feels like there should be some opportunity here.

Speaker 2 Well, I think Waltz was, I think that was very, very, very paramount in their mind when they picked Waltz. Okay.
I think there's a recognition of that.

Speaker 2 You know, our male problem was a long time in the making.

Speaker 2 You know, I think our language had, in some ways, had become too feminine.

Speaker 2 And you just kept hearing in the media also had a lot to do with it the women's vote is just going to be critical here james you know women everywhere you know the women you know the suburban women are this and you know non-white women are that and i i think

Speaker 2 just males have felt like they have not been part of the conversation in american politics i don't know if there's any kind of male policy that you have or anything like that, but I think a lot of it it is cultural and they feel like they're not part of the cool crowd anymore.

Speaker 2 And if you listen to liberal culture or progressive culture, you know, start with NPR own down. It's just, it's 80% female the whole thing.
And then the ads, everything that you see,

Speaker 2 it used to be male-centric. I'm not saying that anything has to be male-centric, but I think the male feels like that they kind of left out of the equation.

Speaker 2 And I think that Harris understands that, and Campaign understands that to some extent.

Speaker 4 Yeah, not getting communicated to. Cuban's been really good at this.

Speaker 4 Continue to have more as more on this front. The good news is the enemy is not quite as masculine as they may consider themselves to be.

Speaker 2 Stephen Miller foof.

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Speaker 4 I do want to give you a platform here.

Speaker 4 I have a couple other documentary things before I lose you, but I do want to give you a platform here because you've been on a one-man crusade to discuss Donald Trump's health and what he's hiding from the public.

Speaker 4 And so I just want to give you an opportunity to share your angle on here on that.

Speaker 2 First of all, in January of 2017, Keith Schiller and some other goon broke in to his intern's intern's office and stole his health records. Remember the interns, Dr.

Speaker 2 Bornstein, who unfortunately is now deceased. What was in there?

Speaker 2 What was in those health records? I mean, they're not going to make them public unless you say you want to make them public. Why did they do that?

Speaker 2 And I

Speaker 2 strongly suspect, just a suspicion, and he had those red spots on his hand. Okay, he said his mission during the Vietnam War was to not get the clap of STD or whatever the fuck they call it.

Speaker 2 I don't think he succeeded. That's my personal view.

Speaker 2 I think he even failed at that mission, but

Speaker 2 we don't know

Speaker 2 because they took his health records away from his internist. And the guy said, I feel like I've been violated.
Then broke into his fucking office, all right?

Speaker 2 and retrieved those health records. Maybe somebody should ask him what happened to him.

Speaker 2 Does he have them?

Speaker 2 How many people you know break in a physician's office to get their health records? It's a pretty rare event, I think.

Speaker 4 I mean, I think your syphilis theory is interesting. I don't know.
I don't want to spread disinformation. I will say.

Speaker 2 When you say syphilis and you say spread, well, wait a minute, never mind.

Speaker 2 That's a suspicion of mine. And it stokes up.
What I say about the health records, true, maybe it's something else.

Speaker 4 Correct. And that's where I wanted to go.
He's hid his personal health records. And the other thing,

Speaker 4 I was never interested, and I hate some of the Blue MAGA stuff, like the conspiracies around the assassination attempt, like the ear, the blood is real, all that stuff is real.

Speaker 4 That said, they acted fucking weird.

Speaker 4 Like when Reagan was shot, when other politicians have been shot, like you have press conferences, you know, with real doctors and the coat, and they answer questions.

Speaker 4 And like, they don't, he doesn't do that. Like, this is just, again, part of the degradation of how Trump doesn't do stuff like that that we have expected from public servants in the past.

Speaker 4 It is true that he's hit his medical records and that they act weird around these situations. Maybe it's syphilis, maybe it's something else.

Speaker 2 Part of his appeal is he doesn't, he doesn't sound like the other politicians. How many times do you hear that? All right.

Speaker 2 Oh, great. Wonderful.

Speaker 4 Well, maybe you could act a little more like one sometimes. There's some things to be said for politicians.

Speaker 4 We're not going back, so we're only going to do two minutes on this. But a big part of the documentary was your early advocacy that Joe Biden shouldn't run for re-election, which has been vindicated.

Speaker 4 I got a hug on the street, by the way. I wish James James Carville was there.
I was on Napoleon and Chapatoulis outside Tipatinas.

Speaker 4 A woman comes up to me and she goes, you and Carville, I was so mad at you talking about Joe, but you were right. I want to give you a hug.

Speaker 4 It was the best hug and best selfie I've had on the street in a long time. So anyway, so I was sad you weren't there to enjoy that, but you were right on this.
Obviously, we don't need to do that.

Speaker 4 But I am curious, you get into this a little bit. It was hard.
Like the people around Biden are friends of yours, Donlin and Roshetti. And like, it took took a year.
It was hard.

Speaker 4 And so I'm just kind of wondering, has that,

Speaker 4 are you getting phone calls again?

Speaker 4 Has there been any mending of fences? Are things okay?

Speaker 2 You know, not a single person. I went to the convention.
Not a single person was mad at me. I mean, not one.

Speaker 2 I mean, not a single person came up and said, James, you know, you really wouldn't, you didn't treat President Biden very badly. I think it's all gone.

Speaker 2 I think Biden probably by now is relieved that he's made that decision. I think the people add, it, look, are people going to come out and say it?

Speaker 2 No, but I want to make one point about the movie that's really important to me, and that is, we've given politics such a bad name. You grew up in politics.
You wanted to be that.

Speaker 2 Your life revolved around it. The same with me.
And people that cover politics and work in it, people that volunteer or precinct walkers or whatever.

Speaker 2 I mean, I hope this movie like rehabilitates the profession of politics somewhat. That people say, you know Those guys look like they were having fun.
Maybe I ought to try that.

Speaker 2 And then you know some Tim Billers growing up and says, you know, I want to be the comms director. I want to get involved and do things.

Speaker 2 And, you know, Mary Madeline, who is, you know, like the star of the movie, she was the ass and the elephant on the Lincoln Day parade in Illinois.

Speaker 2 I mean, all right, that's the kind of people you want to bring in. And they say, well, you just can't get good people anymore.

Speaker 2 Well, if you keep telling people how trashy and rotten they are, then good people are not going to want to do this.

Speaker 2 And that's my real fondest dreams for the movie is it helps to rehabilitate the profession of politics somewhat.

Speaker 4 Well, this is going to be the highest compliment I can give you then because I was watching it last night and I was thinking to myself,

Speaker 4 it was getting me emotional. And it was also I was getting the tingles again.
I was getting the rush again of the winning and the competition. And I got like just slightly melancholy.

Speaker 4 I love my job, but slightly melancholy because I'm like, man, maybe I should have stayed on the other side, not on the Republican side, but on the operative side.

Speaker 4 Because there is, it's just the thing that got me excited about being an operative, it reignited that flame in me a little bit watching it.

Speaker 2 You're a young man, too.

Speaker 4 I could, yeah, I could have a good thing.

Speaker 2 But play, you can have a third, believe me, and anybody can, but the point is, you're still, you're still part of it. Yeah.
You're writing on it. You're commenting on it.
You have a podcast on it.

Speaker 2 You're editing on it. You're doing all kinds of things.
And, you know, some people, it doesn't matter. And there's just a lot of people.

Speaker 2 Think about like Miss Mabel, the lady that go precinct every, you know, every election day that checks off the name for, you know, $7.50 an hour or whatever, whatever they do.

Speaker 2 I mean, they're part of this whole web, this whole system out there.

Speaker 2 I agree, we got to get better people in politics, but the way to do it is inspire them and get young people like you you know grow up to be the comms director for a presidential campaign i mean in of course you like to everybody loves the camaraderie of a campaign like we'll get them and them all and you know everybody hates us and because we're it doesn't matter it's all the same

Speaker 4 you know but it's all fun all right i want to close with with your thoughts on where we are at with kamala and trump just i want to close with horse race but before that we got to do football horse race real quick tigers have have the rebs in in baton rouge this weekend.

Speaker 4 Tigers, it looked like it might be a down year, but all of a sudden everybody in the SEC has got a loss. Do you have a new little pang of hope for LSU? Or

Speaker 4 are you concerned about the defense?

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 we couldn't stop OMS last year. All right.
So that's going to be the test. And it's a huge game.
We're number 10 and number six or something like that, seven. So I mean, it's like it's Tigers Stadium.

Speaker 2 Thank God it's not a 230 kickoff.

Speaker 2 I think it's like a 630 kickoff.

Speaker 2 I mean, this is big time college football.

Speaker 2 This is why you play the game.

Speaker 2 And that's too much cawping among LSU fans. We were under 500 the two years before Brian Kelly got there.

Speaker 2 We're like 20 and

Speaker 2 probably 23 and 7 or something like that. And we've had best recruiting class in 2025 and 2026.
You know, we've got a hell of a quarterback. Nussmark is a very good quarterback.

Speaker 2 And if you've got a good quarterback, you're going to be in the game. But the smarts have all pushing old miss.
We were a two and a half point dog. It's now three and a half.

Speaker 2 I'm told a lot of the shopping money in Las Vegas is going to old Miss.

Speaker 4 I like your help. I'm a little concerned about it.
I'm not putting any money on it. I'm concerned about it.
Or maybe I should, actually, I might bet on Old Miss just to put the stink on him.

Speaker 4 I'm not putting it on him.

Speaker 4 I did that to Alabama last week. I bet on Alabama and I put the stink on him.
So there you go.

Speaker 2 Yeah, maybe so if you think it helps, if I thought it'd help us win, I'd bet them too.

Speaker 4 All right, I might do that.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 4 How we feel? Do you have the same optimism about Kamala? Horse race. Where are you at? We're a month out.
How do you feel?

Speaker 2 I feel like this is not an election that we're going to lose. It doesn't have the stench of an election that's going to lose.
Having said that, I think they need to be much more aggressive.

Speaker 2 I think they got to go out there every day. and put the mic in Trump's face and quit reacting to the press.

Speaker 2 When you do a press show, you react to what they ask. That's the way it is

Speaker 2 go out and make your own weather you know you got four weeks a little less than four weeks to go and people are already voting

Speaker 2 you can't be lethargic you got to move and i mean move quickly and fast and hard

Speaker 2 i hope they get sharper elbows that's what

Speaker 4 i concur the documentary james carville winning is everything stupid uh check out we're over on youtube later maybe tomorrow probably thursday uh we'll have have a bonus interview with the director, Matt Turnauer.

Speaker 4 I'm excited to talk to him about that. We can do that.
I love you, man. We can do this.
Yes, we can. Optimism for Combo and the Tigers.
It's going to happen for us.

Speaker 2 Yes, they're going to happen.

Speaker 2 You're not any better than you think you are. So let's go get them, man.
And you're going to love that. The big thing about him is director.
He actually knows politics.

Speaker 2 He was like a driver in the Mondale campaign and kind of worked for Susan Estridge and Dukakis. And he covered it for Vanity Fair.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you can't have a director that directs something that they don't know anything about. And

Speaker 2 he brought a lot of knowledge and understanding of politics. And the guy was, he just, he's an all-world director.
I was very proud to have him direct the movie.

Speaker 4 I'm looking forward to it. We got this, James.
Yes, we can do it. We got this.

Speaker 4 I'll get you back in November after the W.

Speaker 2 All right? Absolutely. Go tires.
Okay. Go tires.

Speaker 4 Everybody else. We'll be back tomorrow with another old wise man of politics.
It's Wise Men Week. We'll see you all then.
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