Peter Hamby: Living the Racist Porn Message Board Life

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Speaker 12 Hello, and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller.

Speaker 14 I couldn't be happier to be here today with the host of Good Luck America on Snapchat, founding partner at Puck, host of the Powers That Be podcast, which comes out every day, but don't listen to it before you listen to mine.

Speaker 19 He's a teen heartthrob, mostly for awkward teenage boys, and he's a porn message board culture analyst.

Speaker 12 So he's perfect for today's show, Peter Hamby.

Speaker 20 Hey, Peter.

Speaker 4 Hey, better than tiger droppings, right?

Speaker 21 Barely.

Speaker 20 Barely.

Speaker 17 He's also one of my besties.

Speaker 23 I guess I should have said that.

Speaker 25 Peter, I just, you know, I needed somebody to just chop shop with on Mark Robinson today.

Speaker 13 It's quite the story.

Speaker 28 For anybody that's been in a hole, the Republican nominee for governor in North Carolina was revealed via CNN's K-file to be a very frequent messenger on a porn website, Nude Africa, on the site.

Speaker 17 He said, among other things, I'm a black Nazi.

Speaker 22 I'd take Hitler over any of the shit that's in Washington right now.

Speaker 27 Slavery is not bad.

Speaker 32 Some people need to be slaves.

Speaker 33 I would certainly buy a few.

Speaker 14 Martin Luther King, get that commie bastard off the national mall.

Speaker 32 He said that a woman who complained about being sexually assaulted by a taxi driver, the moral of the story is, don't F a white bitch.

Speaker 34 CNN didn't even include some other good ones.

Speaker 35 Some peeing stuff, you know, some stuff about sleeping with his wife's sister.

Speaker 14 some other gross stuff that's even too gross for this podcast.

Speaker 39 Dude was in it, I guess, is the big thing here.

Speaker 32 He was like living the racist porn message board life at like a very high level.

Speaker 4 If you like have that paper trail on the porn message boards, it's not like you're checking in once a day, like, you know, you open the Yahoo Sports app and you see if the Reds won last night.

Speaker 4 You are spending a lot of time on that website and others. You're thinking a lot about it.
By the way, this brings up a good point.

Speaker 4 Not that his opponent would bring this up, but like, if you're thinking that much about porn and it's occupying that much headspace, sir, how much time are you going to be spending as governor of the great state of North Carolina thinking about this stuff?

Speaker 4 Or are you going to be thinking about bringing textile jobs back? to the triad. You know, it's a good hit.

Speaker 24 No,

Speaker 44 he's going to be thinking about transsexual sex, which he's very into, according to the many posts about that, despite obviously.

Speaker 36 And Doc Rivers.

Speaker 6 Yeah, despite poor Doc catching strays.

Speaker 44 I mean, Doc is one difference, one key difference between Doc and Mark Robinson, among many, is that he's not going around calling trans people and gays filth.

Speaker 32 He's not going around, you know, talking about how he wants to keep trans people out of women's bathrooms.

Speaker 43 That's an interesting law that he's proposing, the bathroom law, considering one of the other things that he discusses on the Porn Message Board is how he liked to be a peeper he liked to he would climb on ladders and peep into ladies bathrooms oh i missed that yeah there's a lot of material to sort through peter and i wouldn't have expected you to read every every post every piss porn post that he posted the other thing i think i'd like to layer in here is in addition to like logging hours on the nude Africa message board, he also was a nightly visitor to the porn shop, the physical porn store, the video store, where you go into the back room.

Speaker 30 And according to reports, you'd bring a pizza into the back room where you do this further.

Speaker 15 It's just like, I mean, how did this guy have time to

Speaker 13 make a living? He went bankrupt several times.

Speaker 43 Also, like, how did this guy find time to, you know, go to the bank, go to the grocery store?

Speaker 47 You know, I mean, this dude was logging huge hours on message boards, in-person

Speaker 17 porn stores.

Speaker 32 I mean, hey, like, whatever floats your boat is fine fine with me, but just like as a practical matter, this seems inefficient.

Speaker 4 This is something that'll send a throw up the leg of bulwark listeners. The MAGA grift has brought into the political class a bunch of people who, you know, prior to Donald Trump were just like

Speaker 4 people who either lived on the fringes of society or fringes of the economy, who were weird, lonely, had a lot of time on their hands, found a, you know, you would call it a cult, found, you know, something to hold on to.

Speaker 4 And there are plenty of people who are Republicans in the Trump era.

Speaker 54 Marco's holding on to something.

Speaker 20 Sorry, go ahead. It sure is.

Speaker 4 You know, there are plenty of people in MAGA Republican politics who had nice careers as entrepreneurs and businessmen and lawyers and doctors or whatever before becoming.

Speaker 4 politicians in whatever level of government. There are also plenty of people who were just like,

Speaker 4 didn't have anything to to do, you know, and they are just kind of clowns,

Speaker 4 you know, and he seems like an emblem of that. Can we tie this to the campaign, though? Like, I think Mark Robinson was already on track to lose Republicans.

Speaker 4 I talked to RGA adjacent consultant types yesterday. Like, they already thought this race was kind of gone for him.

Speaker 4 All the things you mentioned, the peeping and the piss porn, first time saying that on a content activation.

Speaker 54 The black Nazi. Yeah.
Don't forget the black Nazi, Martin Lucifer, Kuhn.

Speaker 41 There's a lot there.

Speaker 4 Okay, great. So here's when you think about North Carolina, and maybe you're thinking about Kamal Harris in November and how these two races are correlated.

Speaker 4 Obviously, Barack Obama won North Carolina back in 08 when you were on the McCain train.

Speaker 4 He had spent considerable resources there.

Speaker 4 organizing college campuses and black communities in the primaries. And they continued to target it as a swing state, and they ended up winning that state.
Kind of a surprise, but a good W for Obama.

Speaker 4 Since then, it hasn't been a battleground. 2012 was the last time it was a real battleground with a lot of resources invested there.

Speaker 4 People forget in 2022, there was a black female at the top of the Senate race ticket there for Democrat Sherry Beasley. Lost by three points, I think.
That's the Richard Bursey.

Speaker 4 The problem for Dems is they haven't been able to maximize turnout in sort of more rural, out-of-the-way black corners of the state. The whites whites there, it's a great genre of whites.

Speaker 32 College-educated whites.

Speaker 4 Democrats, college-educated white folks in the research triangle outside Charlotte, over in Buncombe County, which is Asheville. Those folks are going to vote for Kamala.

Speaker 4 And we were texting about this the other day. Like, you think about the South.
Like, North Carolina is a little different than Georgia. Like, North Carolina is a little more mid-Atlantic,

Speaker 4 you know, just a different kind of white. Less of an SEC dad, a little more progressive, more willing to vote for Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 Democrats need to maximize black turnout and then get all those white folks out and then a bunch of college students.

Speaker 4 So maybe the black Nazi stuff, maybe the pro-slavery stuff, you can bundle that into messaging and radio, mail, doorknocks, whatever, TV, digital.

Speaker 4 I don't know how you reach voters these days, but I think it's pretty helpful. Like if you're in the coordinated campaign in North Carolina for both campaigns.

Speaker 45 You've made two trenchant points there.

Speaker 43 One about this election and one about the state of the party. Let's just, I want to start on this election first.

Speaker 17 I'm sure everyone's heard this clip, but it's worth just listening to one more time in the context of just having heard what Mark Robinson was posting on these message boards.

Speaker 32 Let's hear Donald Trump talking about Mark Robinson recently.

Speaker 55 This is Martin Luther King on steroids. Okay.
Now,

Speaker 55 I told that to Mark.

Speaker 55 I said, I think you're better than Martin Luther King. I think you are Martin Luther King times two.

Speaker 55 And he looked at me and I wasn't sure, was he angry? Because that's a terrible thing to say, or was he complimented? I have never figured it out. But I'm telling you, he's one of the, right?

Speaker 55 When I said that to you, you looked like, I don't know if I like that comment. You should like it.

Speaker 24 You should like it, Mark, but you don't because you think Martin Luther King is a commie bastard and Lucifer and we should take down his monuments.

Speaker 56 Donald Trump was onto something there, Peter.

Speaker 1 He was onto something.

Speaker 57 He's like, I'm sensing you aren't taking this as a compliment.

Speaker 38 I'm comparing you to the only good black person I can think of in my brain if I'm Donald Trump, and that's Martin Luther King.

Speaker 32 I can't think of any others to compare you to.

Speaker 27 And so I'm comparing you to him, and you don't have to.

Speaker 4 You just think of Don King. Don King would be the other thing.

Speaker 42 Don King Trump thinks about it.

Speaker 18 Trump's like, Muhammad and the late, great Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 22 you're like them combined.

Speaker 57 And he's like, it's kind of strange that Mark Robinson doesn't seem to be taking this as a compliment.

Speaker 7 I think we know why now.

Speaker 27 But, you know, some of that stuff's going to look ugly in the ads.

Speaker 4 And just that whole combo of you know what the democrats need what you're talking about depressing turnout among republicans exciting the black voters within north carolina bringing over the suburban acc dads like this seems to help on all three counts right yeah the depressing the white turnout maybe not maybe not you know maybe it does so that that's the other thing so one reason north carolina is is hard for democrats is you do have you know maybe there's some bulwark listening Charlotte dads out there who definitely are.

Speaker 4 Yeah, sorry, there definitely are.

Speaker 4 But those people, if you're listening to Bulwark and you live in Charlotte and you work in finance, sorry, you're not voting for Donald Trump, but the Jesse Helms whites, like the folks out in like the coastal plain, out in the Hollers where my family is descended from, you know, those folks, they turn out for Donald Trump.

Speaker 32 They're not going to hear like kind of, I wish I owned slaves and I've bankrupted three times.

Speaker 52 I don't think they care.

Speaker 17 Yeah. There's nothing.

Speaker 60 Hitler's better than I've been in America.

Speaker 19 They're still like, dude, I want this guy to run North Carolina.

Speaker 7 What?

Speaker 61 I mean, like, he's a total mess in his personal life.

Speaker 30 I don't think they care.

Speaker 17 He spent all of his life watching porn or going to porn stores, and he's done nothing, but he should be in charge of the state.

Speaker 35 Yeah, sure. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I think that's a down the line R check the box if Donald Trump is at the top of the ticket.
That's my only take on that. I'm just making clear.

Speaker 61 I agree with you, but I've just, you know, like this is all new and fresh.

Speaker 53 So we're just trying to state it clearly.

Speaker 62 They just don't care about it, like they wouldn't put this guy in charge of the local Arby's.

Speaker 63 They might feel like probably we could probably we could find somebody better, yeah.

Speaker 42 We could probably find a better candidate.

Speaker 4 Well, the Trump campaign apparently was pressuring Robinson to drop out on Thursday before the deadline of switch cans. That was a gambit that wasn't going to work.
It's too late.

Speaker 4 I mean, you talked a lot about sprint primaries back in July.

Speaker 20 How do you have a primary in two hours?

Speaker 20 Two hours?

Speaker 56 Yeah, they were looking at it with the Democrats. They're like, you pulled off this switch.

Speaker 42 It's working out for you.

Speaker 56 Can we do this in the next four hours?

Speaker 3 No, it didn't work.

Speaker 4 But the sort of base Trump voters have a way,

Speaker 4 they are the kings and queens of motivated reasoning.

Speaker 4 Just like Mark Robinson was yesterday on television with Andrew Kaczynski saying that some internet goblins went back in time using AI to like invent these like fake posts.

Speaker 4 You know, I think Trump voters can self-justify anything as long as Trump is at the top of the ticket and he's wearing the MAGA jersey.

Speaker 23 I guess, and I will say this, you say this about Trump.

Speaker 44 Now, Trump, obviously, we had Suzanne Craig on yesterday.

Speaker 61 Like, most of Trump's businesses have been disasters, and it's all kind of a big con, but like, he just gives off the aura of somebody that was a good businessman, at least.

Speaker 37 You could be like, he should be in charge of stuff.

Speaker 30 He was a businessman. Mark Robinson's entire life was

Speaker 33 been just a disaster.

Speaker 32 Like, he's in shambles in his personal life.

Speaker 36 He's like the guy.

Speaker 33 If this dad was the other dad on your kids' baseball team, you're like, please don't sit next to me in the stands is who this person is. Like, he might ask me to borrow some money.

Speaker 38 So, like,

Speaker 20 I don't know.

Speaker 52 There's got to be some gap there.

Speaker 48 Again, there obviously is some gap.

Speaker 44 Trump is doing better than him.

Speaker 35 There's some people out there that are getting there for Trump, but not for this guy.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 61 It's tough. You made another point, though, that I want to get into.

Speaker 32 Because you, you know, you were for a while, I still are, but like really for a while there in the mid-2010s in our heyday, you know, kind of made your bones at like Republican events, like know the Republican people, know the types of Republican candidates, had good relationships with Republican candidates.

Speaker 40 You're in South Carolina, had good relations with Republican candidates.

Speaker 47 And I think it's underappreciated, just like from a supply and demand side, like how bad the supply of Republican candidates is right now.

Speaker 54 I don't hear the responsible, the quote-unquote responsible Republicans, like Scott Jennings on CNN or Josh Holmes.

Speaker 26 None of them ever say this, but it's like when you've created a party where the only thing you need to do to win a primary is be just totally beholden to a charlatan.

Speaker 32 And like, that's all you got to do. The top two skills are like be the trumpiest Trump fan in the world and be as mean to low collibs as you can, right?

Speaker 58 Like, those are the two skills that should be at the top of your resume if you want to win a primary.

Speaker 31 Like, you're going to naturally draw these people.

Speaker 59 And this is the point you're going to.

Speaker 50 Like, you're going to get George Santos and Mark Robinson and Herschel Walker and Carrie Lake. Like, these are the people you're going to attract because

Speaker 53 you're not judging for military service or business success or whatever.

Speaker 31 And like, you know, we had weirdos in the Republican Party and it oughts, but like it is a category difference, like the candidate like quality.

Speaker 4 Yeah, look, I think there are some exceptions to this.

Speaker 4 I mean, obviously, you have candidates and politicians in the Republican Party.

Speaker 4 Or like someone like Doug Bergham, yeah, like self-funders.

Speaker 26 Well, he's in North Dakota.

Speaker 20 Right.

Speaker 4 No, no, they, they exist sort of outside the boundaries of like media attention and big media markets, and maybe they came out of nowhere.

Speaker 4 Like, I don't know enough about this race, I should say, but but like Tim Sheehee in Montana kind of feels like someone who's not necessarily like full-blown MAGA Republican.

Speaker 4 You kiss the ring when you need to. I'm not saying it's most people.
I'm not. So here's a good example.
This is in the news right now: Mike Dewine. Like, how is he governor of Ohio?

Speaker 4 So, Mike Dewine, when I first met him in 2010, he was in the Senate, right? Before he became governor, he was sort of campaigning around for the Republican ticket at the time.

Speaker 4 He became governor in 2018, which is a very trumpy time in the Republican Party and has been re-elected twice. Has, you know, he stood up to Trump in the early days of COVID.

Speaker 4 He has been, you know, a little bit of an aberration in that state.

Speaker 4 A very reasonable guy wrote an op-ed in the New York Times today, standing up for Springfield and immigration, legal immigration, and attacking Trump in advance for what they're saying about Springfield.

Speaker 4 Like, that guy also exists in a state that is no longer on the table for Democrats because it's so Trumpy. So there are exceptions out there, you know?

Speaker 4 Like, how does a guy like Mike Dewine win a primary? Just name ID?

Speaker 17 Well, do you think that Mike Dewine?

Speaker 43 So Mike Dewine will be term limited out there in 26.

Speaker 26 And so who are the Republicans going to attract to run for that governor's seat?

Speaker 19 Like, no matter what happens in this election, is it going to be a Mike Dewine type or is it going to be a Vivek?

Speaker 30 And like, I mean.

Speaker 31 It'll be a Vivek.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 29 If you want to take, if anybody wants to take the other side of this bet from me, if there are any like dispatch stands out there that want to take the other side of this bet, I'll take, I I would love to be wrong.

Speaker 7 I'll gladly pay out.

Speaker 17 You know, sometimes I bet on, you know, I bet on LSU because I'm hoping, you know, because I'm wishing.

Speaker 34 But like, I'm glad to, I'm glad to pay out if we lose.

Speaker 4 We were at the LSU, UCLA game a couple years ago out here at the Rose Bowl. Do you have money on the game this weekend?

Speaker 61 Yeah, I think this weekend's gonna be better than that one.

Speaker 24 I think this weekend's gonna be better than that one.

Speaker 41 But, you know, I'm happy to pay.

Speaker 57 But like, sometimes you're wrong.

Speaker 12 I could be wrong. UCLA could surprise LSU this weekend.

Speaker 21 But like all signs point to the fact that like a Vivek model, not a Mike DeWine model, is what's happening.

Speaker 29 And a big reason for that,

Speaker 27 like, why does this keep happening?

Speaker 14 Like, it's because of the incentives, right?

Speaker 17 It's because there's nobody that's like, you know, there's no incentive to say, hey, like, to win a Republican primary in my resume, I want to demonstrate to you that I ran a business and I'm for tax cuts and I'm like that people and I'm a good upstanding citizen.

Speaker 7 I'm a member of the community.

Speaker 30 I was a leader of the Elks Club.

Speaker 12 Like nobody cares about that shit.

Speaker 45 Like they want to know, can you own the Libs?

Speaker 22 And do you like Trump?

Speaker 4 Both of these categories, though, maybe I'm being naive and optimistic here, are both backward looking. So, you've got the MAGA Republican, and then you've got the sort of old model Tim Republican.

Speaker 4 You know, let's attack Vivek for a second, because Vivek is the ultimate grifter cornball.

Speaker 4 This guy, you know, he wrote a couple books about anti-woke corporate culture. He's, you know, you know, one of these all-in podcast types.

Speaker 4 For somebody who postures as a business guy, an entrepreneur, an innovator, someone who's, you know, went to Harvard, uses the internet and embraces it, no imagination. So this is the thing.

Speaker 51 Like,

Speaker 4 this might not be your type of Republican, but can't there be some Republican out there to sort of like fuse the worlds and bend the narrative a little bit in their direction?

Speaker 4 Like, Vivek is just grafted onto the Trump train, and he's like, I'm going to do this because I can get famous in this culture.

Speaker 4 I can get on Fox News, et cetera, and make some bucks off a few books and then run for office in Ohio. You know, I think Ohio is interesting.
I mean, in that same election, DeWine won.

Speaker 4 Sherrod Brown won. You know, like Republicans won the House vote in Ohio in 2018.
And I think, by the way, Sherrod Brown can win this year against a Trumpy guy.

Speaker 4 I'm not saying Ohio Republicans will reject Vivek, but it's all just like very backwards looking, very uninteresting at this point. Like the cult,

Speaker 4 maybe we're just in our blue bubbles, I guess, but it feels like it's getting old. Like, can't somebody come along and rebrand not the party, but like what Republicanism means?

Speaker 37 Yeah, I mean, there'll have to be some kind of fusion if Trump loses, I guess.

Speaker 33 But I don't know how you get away from the supply and demand problem.

Speaker 44 Like, if what people are incentivizing is lib owning, then you're going to get.

Speaker 4 But isn't 2022 the counterexample? Like all the Republicans run as MAGA.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 23 And that's the general election. He's not the primary electorate.

Speaker 34 The primary electorate, like, look, Mark Robinson ran in a primary against somebody that was like,

Speaker 37 you know, what's a good southern name?

Speaker 37 Give me a good southern name.

Speaker 63 Brett.

Speaker 30 Yeah.

Speaker 44 You know, kind of like, yeah, what's like a good olemis S-A-E name.

Speaker 61 Thad. Thad.

Speaker 20 Thad. Yeah.

Speaker 41 Yeah.

Speaker 7 He ran against somebody that was just like.

Speaker 20 Cooper.

Speaker 60 yeah cooper there you go yeah he ran against guys just like cooper brownstone and cooper was like a regional manager he's like a business guy he's at the chamber of commerce and he wore a blue blazer and like he also you know had a casual outfit that he wore that he got from billy reed or whatever and uh like he just was like a upper middle class southern man that like whatever went to nc state and did everything you're supposed to do and mark robinson who before before we even knew that he was a porn fiend, we already knew that he was a Holocaust denier and a freak weirdo, like beat him like 70 to 30.

Speaker 42 That's the problem.

Speaker 39 That is like, to me, the biggest takeaway from what we're learning from the Mevari thing.

Speaker 40 Vivek, though, you mentioned this.

Speaker 38 I have one little note here. I'm glad you mentioned Vivek.

Speaker 35 I want to come back to him.

Speaker 14 To just show you how fucking weird JD Vance has gotten in all of this, I don't know if you saw the story.

Speaker 17 Vive Ake wouldn't go there on the cat eating.

Speaker 7 But Vivek got asked, he had some event for Trump, and they were trying to pressure him because he's thinking about running for governor of Ohio.

Speaker 7 And they're like, so what do you think about this caddy?

Speaker 46 And thing?

Speaker 33 He's like, you know, it's like, I can't, he's like, I can't really, I'm not going to be the judge between what people are saying out there.

Speaker 33 I just know that there's some real problems in the community we got to deal with.

Speaker 27 I mean, if you are J.D.

Speaker 32 Vance, you got to be like, man, if I'm advancing a conspiracy so absurd that not even Vivek would go there, they're pretty deep down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Vivek has actually in recent months tweeted a few things where, like, I wouldn't say he's been urging sanity.

Speaker 26 You can see that little antenna, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 Like, and this is what I'm saying: like, God bless the people of Ohio. This is the Peter Hamby sports/slash coaching tree special.

Speaker 4 Like, you know, I have North Carolina people, my dad's from Cincinnati, my family from Cincinnati. I'm a Reds fan.

Speaker 4 I don't think Vivek's been to a single Reds game this year, you know, challenges Ohio credentials on that.

Speaker 4 But yeah, like his antenna is toward running for governor, and maybe he's got to moderate a little bit.

Speaker 4 He's like Ben Shapiro, like he confuses being loud and confuses being good at debate with being an intellectual.

Speaker 4 And, you know, he can bend words to whichever direction he wants to suit his political ends.

Speaker 44 One last closing thought on Ohio before I want to get to Kamala.

Speaker 17 The Mike Dewine op-ed that you mentioned was nice.

Speaker 30 It was nice. It was good.

Speaker 17 Except for one paragraph. It was everything that I would like.

Speaker 4 I was going to say most of that stuff really was

Speaker 20 Joel Reagan. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 36 Could be Georgia.

Speaker 59 Compassionate conservatism.

Speaker 43 Immigrants are an important part of the fabric.

Speaker 42 Pluralism.

Speaker 38 And he was hitting all my notes. And then we get to this line.

Speaker 22 As a supporter of former President Trump and J.D.

Speaker 58 Vance, I'm saddened by how they and others continue to repeat claims that lack evidence and disparage the legal migrants living in Springfield.

Speaker 63 This rhetoric hurts

Speaker 33 the city and its people, and it hurts those who have spent their lives there.

Speaker 57 Does he have to do this? Like, why does he have to do this? He's 77. He's retiring.
He's retired.

Speaker 41 Come into the light, Mike DeWine.

Speaker 57 It's okay. It's okay.

Speaker 66 Just kind of go down to the store, grab a couple coconuts.

Speaker 57 Just como's fine.

Speaker 20 Commo water's fine.

Speaker 57 For Mike DeWine, how does he look at these people?

Speaker 24 And he's like, you are disparaging and lying about my constituents and you are putting them in danger.

Speaker 36 And I'm proud to support you for president of the United States of these United States.

Speaker 20 It is, it's one of those things. It's a little,

Speaker 44 it leaves me wanting.

Speaker 4 People overanalyze the behavior of politicians. Like Mike DeWine, and by the way, this cuts to a lot of MAGA stuff and why a lot of Republicans went along with the train.

Speaker 4 He wants to keep going to the conventions and the fundraisers.

Speaker 20 Like, this is his whole life. Why?

Speaker 4 He's 77. People like going to conventions.

Speaker 4 I don't know, man.

Speaker 20 It's your whole life.

Speaker 57 Take your wife down to Del Boca Vista. Go down to Del Boca Vista, you know? That's great.

Speaker 20 It's a great life. Enjoy your golden years.

Speaker 52 You want to go to a fucking rubber chicken dinner with Don Trump Jr.

Speaker 57 in Toledo in 2025?

Speaker 20 That's what you want to do, really?

Speaker 4 So, you know, I'm on the Mike DeWine Wikipedia page right now. He was first elected as a county prosecutor in 1977.
I am bad at math. What is that?

Speaker 53 40 years ago?

Speaker 20 It's a long time. It's a long time.
These people,

Speaker 20 man.

Speaker 42 When you get...

Speaker 4 in the game, you become an addict. And this is like your whole life and your whole culture and your friends and the people you date and the parties and your commonalities with people.

Speaker 4 Like, it's just what you do. And so, but by the way, I agree with you.
And Scott, our pal, we always text about this too.

Speaker 4 Like, if you are Rupert Murdoch, or you are Bob Iger, or you are, you know, any super rich person, like it's the Logan Roy thing.

Speaker 4 Like, if you're that rich, what's stopping you from, like, boating around the Caribbean all the time and like living your life and like you have 10 horse ranches, like go ride horses or whatever.

Speaker 4 And so politicians, I think, the same thing. Not wealthy, but like, yeah, you know, there's lots of things you can do.

Speaker 45 Mike DeWine,

Speaker 12 let me be your nalaxone.

Speaker 57 Like, let me get you off this drug.

Speaker 12 This, you know, you can just do it.

Speaker 41 Come on down to New Orleans.

Speaker 20 It's great.

Speaker 41 Love a purple drink.

Speaker 12 Your life will be fine. Life goes on.

Speaker 19 You don't need to do it anymore.

Speaker 12 It's been a good, it was a 46-year run.

Speaker 4 Mike Dewine is not going to Lafitte's, my friend.

Speaker 34 Well, we could find you some. We could take you to Brennan's.

Speaker 20 Shit, there you go.

Speaker 19 We can have a nice dinner going to our nodes, right?

Speaker 12 Sit up there on the balcony.

Speaker 26 Come on, Mike DeWine.

Speaker 25 You got 40 some odd days left.

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Speaker 29 We ought to talk about Kamala. You were texting me last night.

Speaker 33 I forget what it said. Something like this is my shit.

Speaker 61 So let's listen to it.

Speaker 69 I'm a gun owner. Tim Hall is a gun.
I know that.

Speaker 69 And I thought it raced in my house.

Speaker 67 They're getting shot.

Speaker 69 Sorry. Yes, yes.

Speaker 69 I hear that. I hear that.
probably should not have said that

Speaker 69 but my staff will deal with that later

Speaker 52 kamala the cop kamala the rogue cop shooting breaking and entering people

Speaker 4 that's good right it's really good like so our pal keith edwards by the way tweeted this last night he tweeted the quote if someone breaks into my house they're getting shot Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 And then he tweeted a screen grab of a 270 to win map that's entirely blue. Like 100% Electoral College victory.
But that's the thing. Like the Trump campaign tweeted this out as if it were a gaff.

Speaker 2 That was weird.

Speaker 20 The Trump campaign tripped it out.

Speaker 42 And by the way,

Speaker 4 Kamala and Doug live in Brentwood, which is, you know, not since the OJ murder.

Speaker 4 Pretty safe place.

Speaker 4 But relatable, relatable L.A.

Speaker 42 homeowner comment.

Speaker 20 Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln.

Speaker 52 Other than the most famous murder of our lifetime, it's been a really safe neighborhood.

Speaker 4 By the way, by the way, I'm going to fact-check myself. Home invasions in Los Angeles are up this year.
Los Angeles obviously has a crime problem. Liberals can pretend crime in cities is fine.

Speaker 4 It's not. Kamala Harris saying I would fucking shoot somebody if they broke into my house to protect like my family.
Extremely relatable, not just in LA, but fucking everywhere.

Speaker 4 And so it's not just the Kamala is a cop thing that she's going back on. Like, there's something I've noticed about her, and this goes back to when I interviewed her in March for my Snapchat show.

Speaker 4 You know, when you and I and our friends on our text groups, we've talked for a while about the Kamala Harris between 2019 and 2021. Was like, what are you? What do you believe in?

Speaker 4 You don't have a coherent worldview. You feel insecure.
You're always playing defense. You're not good in interviews.
When she is confident, she is very good.

Speaker 4 And for whatever reason, she has been confident since joining this campaign as the nominee and when she talks about herself and when she speaks freely off talking points she's pretty good man like it was like when she was talking to dana bash and said next question about you know her her racial identity when i think this was in the nabj thing the other day someone asked her about her laugh And she just pivoted and she's like, be yourself.

Speaker 4 Like, she's good in those moments when she kind of goes candidly off scripts. Like, she is a normal person, despite being a politician.
None of them are normal. We should never idolize these people.

Speaker 4 But that was a great answer. Like, it just felt relatable regardless of the politics.

Speaker 17 I was on Drudge this morning, and this is a Wall Street Journal headline. The most surprising new gun owners in America are U.S.

Speaker 60 liberals.

Speaker 32 After decades of decline, U.S. gun ownership is rising among Democrats.

Speaker 24 So, I don't really love that trend, to be honest.

Speaker 4 But this might be correlated here in LA and other cities, your former city of Oakland.

Speaker 4 A big rise in gun ownership is among Asian Americans and AAPI because during COVID, these people were getting harassed and beaten on the streets. Like in LA, people are lining up.

Speaker 4 Asian folks were lining up at gun stores to buy guns. Asian people tend to vote them.
I'm not saying those things are related or correlated, but I'm not sure I love it either.

Speaker 20 But you know what?

Speaker 4 It's not a bad thing for Kamala Harris to say.

Speaker 4 Donald Trump doesn't know how to shoot a gun.

Speaker 44 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 No, he doesn't.

Speaker 44 And the thing about the Oprah fell up that I liked was it was authentic.

Speaker 19 And it was at the debate, it was like the one moment from the debate that I was like, She's a gun owner.

Speaker 59 And, like, on the one hand, it was like, That's an interesting fact.

Speaker 46 I just learned. On the other hand, it's like, it was kind of like, really?

Speaker 4 You're really one? She said that in 2019. Yeah, I'd forgotten that.

Speaker 4 I had missed that completely. She said it also a few weeks ago.
I had just, I had just missed it.

Speaker 23 So the debate, when she said that, I was like, is that real?

Speaker 43 Like, did she, did she just buy one to say it?

Speaker 13 Like, and so it was much more like, oh, no, I'm a gun owner and I'll, and I'll cap you if you break into my house.

Speaker 36 I like, I liked that element of it.

Speaker 58 Just, it felt more real.

Speaker 16 The other point, though, about Kamala and how she's really had to come into her own.

Speaker 31 You were on this after your interview with her.

Speaker 30 In March, you said it was, and this was well before the switch.

Speaker 64 What struck you about that interview?

Speaker 20 I guess you were in Arizona with her, right?

Speaker 32 Was there anything that you kind of remembered that struck you as being

Speaker 38 particularly strong or giving you kind of a different look at her?

Speaker 4 So I, again, I'm not one of these reporters who's covered the hill or covered her in California going back a long time. I'd interviewed her twice.
Once once in Oakland.

Speaker 4 I was crashing with you and Tyler and did a GLA interview. Drew was there 2018, 2019.

Speaker 4 It was the first time I'd talked to her since being VP.

Speaker 4 And I had done some reporting for Puck about, you know, all the stuff we've been hearing about, like staff turnover in the White House, but also stuff going back to when she was AG in California.

Speaker 4 And so I just hadn't spent time around her. This was an abortion rights event in Arizona.

Speaker 4 She's been like since Dobbs, her portfolio under the Biden administration was abortion, but also like rallying the young people on college campuses. And so she had been spending time on campuses.

Speaker 4 She's been spending time talking about something she was comfortable talking about, like abortion rights. Like she's good.

Speaker 4 Remember, the whole like prosecutor thing, people miss the, like people oversimplify, I can take the case to Donald Trump. That's not it.

Speaker 4 The prosecutor thing is one reason she was good in these Senate hearings is she just needs a clear target, one thing to aim at and talk about.

Speaker 4 In the primary, like you have 10 opponents in 2020, like I don't know what to talk about. Got to grab something out of thin air and run on it.
Here with abortion rights, it's great for her.

Speaker 4 And so it was that. This was also during like some hot Gaza moments.
And I just noticed when I interviewed her after this rally, her tone on Gaza was much more sympathetic.

Speaker 4 to the Palestinians without deviating from the Biden administration policy line. So I thought that like sort of rhetorical move was good.

Speaker 4 And that I think was sprung from spending time around college students and young people in a way Biden doesn't and didn't.

Speaker 4 And just like it was, again, this confidence that I think comes from one, spending time campaigning and talking about issues that are good for her, but two, just batting practice.

Speaker 4 So you're vice president, and this is why Kamala Harris, you and I agreed in the days of July when Biden was in trouble. She was always going to be the nominee.

Speaker 4 And it wasn't because this is the party of black women or like Kamala Harris deserves it.

Speaker 4 She deserved it because she was the vice president and she would be the best option to slot in there and run a sprint campaign. You put Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer.

Speaker 4 And sorry, Sarah Longwell, I know you're listening and you're a Josh Shapiro super fan.

Speaker 54 I got to tell you, I got to tell you, the whisper campaigns or in the whispering around never, every time there's a Pennsylvania poll that's not good, the whispering that comes out about, she should have picked Josh.

Speaker 23 I just, I just, I'm telling you in these secret never Trumper basement meetings that I go to, and no, nobody wants to say it out loud anymore because it's like, we're not going back, but you hear the whispers.

Speaker 4 But anyway, I want to give Josh Shapiro a stray here. He won his race against Mark Robinson of Pennsylvania.

Speaker 20 White Mark Robinson.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like he, he ran, he won his race resoundingly against a total zero.

Speaker 42 Anyway, I thought Doug Mastriano was a zero, but it turns out Doug Mastriano is like a 15 because, I mean, it seems like he had, you know, gained full employment and had some hobbies that weren't related to piss porn.

Speaker 35 So, you know, that's true.

Speaker 43 You're good on you, Doug Mastriano.

Speaker 4 But just to punctuate the Kamala Harris thing, like,

Speaker 20 she,

Speaker 4 unlike these governors, like, had been in the cauldron of national politics as vice president for several years and running for president, had done the media interviews, been in meetings with world leaders, been in the Oval Office.

Speaker 4 So when you show up and talk to a reporter,

Speaker 4 You know, that's small potatoes suddenly after doing that for two or three years compared to stepping into the Democratic primary in 2019. Just, again, it's confidence.
It's like any interview.

Speaker 20 Like,

Speaker 4 I'm smarter than this fucking person that I'm talking to, and I'm going to show it. And by the way, I think she kind of thinks that about Donald Trump, too, now.

Speaker 44 Yeah, truly does. I know you listened to the Amy Walter podcast on Tuesday.

Speaker 18 Amy, I'm a little more bullish than Amy.

Speaker 44 I think Amy was insightful, very insightful about kind of the demographics, but a little bit cautious on the prognosticating.

Speaker 7 You're more of a, you know, you're a pundit type.

Speaker 33 You're not weighed down by having to have race rankings.

Speaker 58 So where do you kind of see things standing here on Friday, September 20th?

Speaker 4 You'd rather be Kamala Harris than Donald Trump right now on September 20th.

Speaker 4 But remember, there was a poll, a very good, high-quality poll of Wisconsin from Marquette University, also in the handby coaching tree because my mom went to Marquette.

Speaker 4 Biden winning by five or six points. in late October of Wisconsin by five days before the election.
And he won by what, one point, less than a point. So I was talking to our pal Adisu.

Speaker 4 Actually, no, he said this very good, very good episode of Pod Save America, by the way, with him and Dan the other day.

Speaker 36 Pod Save what?

Speaker 4 Pod Save America. It's a

Speaker 4 John Lovett from Survivor hosts it sometimes. I don't know if you know him.
He lost in the first. I'll have to check that out.
John Lovett got voted off in the first episode of Survivor.

Speaker 32 Which I know, I broke the news.

Speaker 41 I spoiled that for people on yesterday's podcast.

Speaker 59 Two mentions so far this week about that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah. Continue.

Speaker 4 Yeah, more strays caught.

Speaker 4 But Adisu made an astute point, which is like, all I know, like if the race is in a margin of error and Democrats are in a position to win right now, that's the best we can hope for.

Speaker 4 And underneath that, you know, I have tools and levers as a campaign that I can pull to get over the finish line.

Speaker 4 So I think Amy made some very smart points going in and when you guys were talking about the different shades of whites in all of these states, I think you guys unlocked something that was very interesting in your conversation.

Speaker 4 And I had a conversation with the Pennsylvania Republican yesterday that sort of aligned with this. Kamala Hair is making inroads with non-college whites a little bit, which is good.

Speaker 4 We'll see if that holds.

Speaker 61 Women in particular.

Speaker 4 Yes. What's interesting is that she's kind of at parity

Speaker 4 with Biden with college whites around like Philadelphia. So you would think that she would be doing a lot better with college whites around Philly.

Speaker 4 And she's kind of, according to this Washington Post poll that came out this week, she's just kind of the same. So why isn't she maximizing her numbers? And this might be why she's...

Speaker 54 The state whites are worse than the Wisconsin whites.

Speaker 36 Amy Walter didn't say that.

Speaker 33 I said it, but it was my interpretation of her analysis.

Speaker 4 Let's talk about different varietals of white. The Philadelphia College Suburban Whites, how are they different than the whites of Wisconsin?

Speaker 4 This is your line, like Madison, Wisconsin, Dane County, they deliver North Korea levels to Democrats these days, like 90-10 margins.

Speaker 4 And that kind of white is the kind of white guy who wears a futurist female t-shirt and a white woman who listens to Pod Save America. But over in Philly, you've got,

Speaker 4 is it crime? Is it, are these, you would might know better than me, like the Philly dads who live in Bucks County. Like, what's different about them?

Speaker 22 Well, they're no blondes.

Speaker 29 I mean, we're really getting into it now, but, you know, it's a lot more.

Speaker 12 You got the Italians and, you know, it's just a little bit, yeah, it's different.

Speaker 4 What do you mean, the Italians?

Speaker 12 I mean, I'm just telling you, like, I just, yeah, I mean, like, you have, I mean, they went to college, but it's just like a different culture, like the Catholic, you know, kind of Philly, sort of Italian and Greek, and like that.

Speaker 30 Like, that is the vibe. And Philly, like, that is.

Speaker 4 Aren't you talking about like a white ethnic, like, lunch bucket type?

Speaker 20 Yeah, like the white collection.

Speaker 56 That's a non-college type.

Speaker 4 That's a non-college type.

Speaker 20 Peter, I want to let you know that many of the white ethnic lunch bucket guys who you know from like the Sopranos, they had children.

Speaker 57 You know, they went to college.

Speaker 31 AJ went to college and AJ is a Robert F.

Speaker 7 Kennedy Jr. voter.

Speaker 64 Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Like it's still, it's just, it's still a different, like, it's a different cultural vibe than you have around in Dane County.

Speaker 4 But in Pennsylvania, do they care about crime? Do they care about fracking in a way that they don't in like Detroit?

Speaker 52 Yeah, I mean, sure, yeah, yeah, I guess, probably.

Speaker 13 But I think that I don't think that it's as much that, right?

Speaker 51 Like, I just, I mean, I think that there's a more of a progressive, and look, look, you also have the Wisconsin kind of long progressive history, yeah, yeah, you know, and in the state, I think that it's cultural and it's, you know, and I think Sarah Longwell pointed this out when we were talking, I forget, on one of our 100 podcasts the other day, and she's like, the other people that are college-educated, and I can't even name these colleges because I'm, I just, I have to raise my hand, I'm an out-of-touch elites at some times, but she's like, you know, she's from central Pennsylvania, and she's like, you forget that college-educated whites include like people that went to Mechanicsburg College.

Speaker 37 That's not real.

Speaker 35 I just made that up.

Speaker 42 But

Speaker 42 you know what I mean?

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 29 They're like all kinds of colleges in the middle of the state.

Speaker 14 And like the types of people who graduate from there, like they have some cultural interests and elements that are like more closer to MAGA than college-educated folks that went to

Speaker 29 more

Speaker 30 premier schools.

Speaker 4 I'm taking Good Luck America, my show on the road in October. We're doing like a little college tour.
We are going to Penn State. So I'm interested to hear.

Speaker 4 from the folks there and like turning point yesterday had a big flex where they registered like like hundreds of voters bros, mostly bros, on campus ahead of the election.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, I think that'll be a feeding frenzy for me and my camera crew when we get there. I'm very interested to see what they say.

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Speaker 22 this take us to a second to last topic i was not a big fan of the white guys for kamala call and many listeners weren't a big fan of me not being a big fan of that they thought it was nice and if it was nice for you and you were on the call i honor your experience but i just you know the white guy affinity groups are a little weird for me and the whole energy around it was a little weird.

Speaker 7 And I got to tell you, they put out an ad.

Speaker 38 I guess they raised money that I thought was supposed to go to the campaign, but maybe they had a separate fundraiser for themselves.

Speaker 29 And they put out an ad yesterday.

Speaker 40 And let's just listen to a little bit of it.

Speaker 5 Hey, white dudes, so I think we're all pretty sick of hearing how much we suck. Every time you go online, it's the same story.
We're the problem. And yeah, some white dudes are.

Speaker 5 Trump and all his MAGA buddies are out there making it worse, shouting nonsense in their stupid red hats and acting like they speak for us when they don't. All they've ever done is screw us over.

Speaker 5 But if you're not on the MAGA train, where do you go? Isn't it just swapping out one crappy option for another?

Speaker 20 Then it hit me.

Speaker 4 This isn't about picking teams.

Speaker 5 It's about who's got a plan that's going to make life better for me and my family. So I've been doing my own research.

Speaker 43 It goes on from there.

Speaker 37 It's just like, it's really bad, man.

Speaker 4 Dude.

Speaker 4 The worst ad of the cycle by far.

Speaker 56 And some people are going to be like, why?

Speaker 23 So tell them why it's bad.

Speaker 4 Let me tell you why, okay? And I'm not a political practitioner like you, but I've learned a lot from you and your friends, former and current, over the years. Here's a few reasons why.

Speaker 4 My beloved high school English teacher, Ms. Gunter, taught me the singular rule of writing and storytelling, which is show, don't tell.

Speaker 4 This voice actor or AI generated bozo is just saying like, Trump sucks, Trump sucks, Trump sucks. We have a plan.
We have a plan. They have a plan.

Speaker 2 I'm a bro. What's the plan?

Speaker 3 Like, what's the plan? Why are you a bro?

Speaker 31 Yeah, why are you a bro?

Speaker 2 Who are the bros?

Speaker 4 Is the bro, like, is the white dude that's talking, is it Tim Walls? Is it Bill Clinton? Is it baby Gronk? Is it Channing Tatum?

Speaker 4 Like, who the fuck is the white dude for Harris that is telling me here, like, to vote for Walls Harris? So I learned something from you in 2020 that was interesting.

Speaker 4 And I also did a piece for Vanity Fair about this with some Democrats who are message testing ads against Trump in 2020.

Speaker 4 When you were doing Republican voters against Trump in 2020, the stuff was stripped down, but it was good because you would find our pal Brett in North Carolina or Chuck in Detroit, and they could be.

Speaker 4 Tommy and Texas. Tommy in Texas, they could be 40, they could be 60.

Speaker 4 And it would be straight to camera recorded on their phone, and they'd be like, I voted for Trump in 2016 because I wanted to change. Now I realize he's been a disaster for XYZ.

Speaker 4 And so, one, you have this relatable person giving you permission to not like Donald Trump. And that worked because it wasn't just ad hominem attacks against Trump, which actually

Speaker 4 in focus groups and in online message testing show backfired because it's like, okay, like leave the guy alone, but tell me why I should vote for you on a basis of issues.

Speaker 4 And the issue, by the way, could be democracy, could be he's disruptive, but it could also be something about the economy. Here's the other thing:

Speaker 4 there's no issue set at all in here, like none.

Speaker 4 Like, they're not telling me any single issue, any reason any compelling reason to vote for harris or walls and then it's such a waste of money they spent 10 million dollars on this ad they should have given it to the campaign they should have come up with some different kind of creative and it's not it doesn't tell me anything just handed it out to kids on campus or whatever yeah it's bad it's it also sounds just my one sentence and wildsmith passes it also sounds like it was written by an elizabeth warren supporter and again nothing wrong with elizabeth warren supporter nothing wrong with that if you're Elizabeth Warren supporter.

Speaker 33 But like, you're not trying to reach Elizabeth Warren supporters.

Speaker 16 They're already voting for Kamala.

Speaker 33 So you want to sound authentic.

Speaker 4 The other thing that just came to mind is Harris has been very astute this campaign of not talking about identity politics. Like, and that's good, right?

Speaker 4 She's talking to subgroups, Hispanics, black folks, young, old, whatever, women, men, based on issue sets that matter to them.

Speaker 4 You can see that Kamala Harris is a black woman, a black South Asian woman. You can see that.
And the reason she picked Tim Walls is apparent too, to counterbalance that.

Speaker 4 But when Tim Walls goes out and talks to white dudes, he's saying, putting things in relatable terms for those white dudes and their wives and daughters, abortion rights, whatever.

Speaker 4 And this just is, it's a very online thing. Like it's a bunch of Elizabeth Warren supporters on Twitter who like wear futures female t-shirts to the brew pub.
And it's like, we don't need you guys.

Speaker 4 You're already voting Democrat. Yeah, great.

Speaker 34 Need your microbes.

Speaker 13 Yeah, we already got you.

Speaker 4 We already got you. It's like an idea that was concocted in like a clubhouse chat room in 2019 for other dudes to validate themselves.

Speaker 4 And it's not talking to people that Harris needs to get off the couch or pull away from Donald Trump.

Speaker 32 I'm going to end on a positive note on this front.

Speaker 27 There's video Tim Walls out there.

Speaker 44 We'll put it in the show notes because I don't have time to get to it.

Speaker 13 But there's a video of Tim Walls talking to some high school bros.

Speaker 36 Tim Walls is actually good at this and sounds like an authentic person.

Speaker 32 So there is ways to do this. Maybe if you're out there, white dudes for Harris, just cut ads of Tim Wallace talking instead of the AI person.

Speaker 32 Alternatively, if you don't want to use Tim Walls, if you want to go really based,

Speaker 17 like go find that video of Dave Portnoy, barstool Dave Portnoy, shouting about how terrible the overturn of Ro is and like literally just playing that 30-second ad in front of on Bro podcast, just literally, here's 30 seconds of Dave Portnoy paid for by white bros for Harris.

Speaker 39 Like that would, that would be 100,000 times better than what you did. So there are two constructive ideas for it for any rich Democrats that are listening.

Speaker 54 One last thing.

Speaker 25 I do want to mention Neil King.

Speaker 26 You knew Neil King, right?

Speaker 20 Yeah, great guy.

Speaker 25 Great man, great guy. He's a reporter for the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 51 He's a great writer, a great person.

Speaker 30 He loved the country.

Speaker 32 He did not equivocate about Donald Trump.

Speaker 35 He got cancer a few years ago, left the journal, went on a walk across America, wrote a book about it.

Speaker 32 I'll put the link to the book in the show notes as well.

Speaker 33 And in addition to me admiring him as a writer and as a reporter that I worked with on stories, I also admired him as a father.

Speaker 45 I bumped into Neil King on a weeknight at a Foxygen show at Rock and Roll Hotel.

Speaker 15 I walked into the Foxygen show.

Speaker 44 I forget who I was with.

Speaker 54 Maybe Neil Tyler, I guess probably not you, or you'd remember, and some other friends.

Speaker 17 And I saw Neil King in the back corner.

Speaker 30 I was like, hey, Neil, what's up, man?

Speaker 57 What are you doing?

Speaker 19 He's like, oh, I like the man.

Speaker 18 And I was like, oh, cool.

Speaker 12 Are you here by yourself?

Speaker 17 And he said, no, my daughter's up there at the front with her friends.

Speaker 62 And I brought her to the show.

Speaker 35 And I was like, that is a good dad. That is the kind of dad I want to be.

Speaker 19 So Neil King will be missed.

Speaker 4 Neil, I really got to know like 2011, 2012 when you were doing that primary. He's exactly like you described.
He cared about politics and journalism and media, but he had a life beyond that.

Speaker 4 He was wry and cynical in a funny way. And by the way, as a younger reporter, you always like idolize these older reporters.
He always took the time. to be nice and complimentary of your reporting.

Speaker 4 And like some older folks didn't do that out on the campaign trail. I will never forget how kind he was, while also being like a funny, cynical guy that like you and I like to hang out with.

Speaker 4 There's not a lot of reporters that like you, Tim, would want to go out and hang with. Neil was one of those guys.

Speaker 4 I have his book. Everyone go order his book, American Ramble, in memoriam of him.
Just a fantastic guy.

Speaker 24 Neil King, rest easy, my friend.

Speaker 43 Peter Hanby, thanks for doing this.

Speaker 32 Let's do it again soon.

Speaker 36 Everybody else, up next, I got just a few quick thoughts on the Olivia Nootsi story.

Speaker 28 all right so if you missed it news broke that frequent podcast guest Olivia Nozzi was in what is reportedly a romantic but not physical relationship with RFK Jr.

Speaker 16 and is on leave with New York magazine That's a strange one.

Speaker 45 Many of you have asked my thoughts.

Speaker 12 A couple have been pretty nasty about it and should maybe step away from the computer.

Speaker 22 But it is an ethos of this podcast that I'm radically candid with you.

Speaker 17 And so when stuff like this happens, I'll tell you what I think, not hide from it.

Speaker 27 And here's the deal.

Speaker 45 I have a personal relationship with Olivia.

Speaker 53 We're not divulging a fair level friends, apparently, because I was as caught off guard as anyone.

Speaker 45 Like I said, it's definitely a strange situation.

Speaker 17 I'm still not exactly clear on the details on what that means.

Speaker 29 What I do know is that Olivia and I have a personal bond.

Speaker 22 We've been through some shit together.

Speaker 14 i also got a note from david from this morning david said that among all the younger journalists who knew their late daughter miranda olivia was among the most attentive after she had passed uh drove to toronto for the funeral and uh her consideration meant a lot to them at a tough time so people contain multitudes They aren't as two-dimensional as they may seem online.

Speaker 17 My concern for Olivia right now is as a friend who's taking a lot of abuse and not about whatever kind of imaginary Twitter war people are in with her.

Speaker 43 As far as what that means is

Speaker 17 her status as a guest on this podcast, I just, I don't think that's as important as the other elements out there right now.

Speaker 17 I know in past episodes, she was candid and informative and enlightening and engaging.

Speaker 15 Exactly what I'm looking for in a guest on this podcast.

Speaker 14 But guests also need to be truthful.

Speaker 32 And if it turns out that she wasn't practicing that, then we'll assess what happened and we'll be transparent about it whenever the time comes that she's back to work.

Speaker 62 And hopefully hopefully, there'll be a time that she's back to work because everybody gets second acts in this life.

Speaker 29 So that's all I got for you on that. I hope everybody has a very fulfilling weekend.

Speaker 45 Stay away from those porn message boards.

Speaker 17 And we'll see you back here on Monday with Bill Crystal.

Speaker 42 Peace.

Speaker 1 Sleeping in the van between A and B.

Speaker 1 Sucking dick for ecstasy.

Speaker 1 Paid a seven-year-old hunter and they got it with me

Speaker 1 Now the game high check's just a memory

Speaker 1 Downloading porn with Davo

Speaker 1 Downloading porn with Davo Put a latch on the door so mama don't know that I'm downloading porn with Davo

Speaker 1 Tried to buy hood love but I came up short

Speaker 1 So I fucked a little winkress in exchange for a snort.

Speaker 41 My girl's got a dick hanging out of her shorts.

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