The lies of Erin Patterson explained – in her own words

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Today, Erin Patterson offers the jury an explanation for her lies.

I'm ABC Investigative Reporter Rachel Brown.

And I'm Stephen Stockwell.

It is Wednesday, the 4th of June.

We have just finished the 25th day of this trial.

Welcome to Mushroom Case Daily.

The small town mystery that's gripped the nation and made headlines around the world.

On the menu was Beef Wellington, a pastry filled with beef and a pate made of mushrooms.

At the heart of this case will be the jury's interpretation of Erin Patterson's intentions.

Erin Patterson has strongly maintained her innocence.

It's a tragedy what happened.

I love them.

Rach, we had the third day of Erin Patterson's evidence today.

It was the second full day after first sitting in the witness box on Monday afternoon.

And today we heard so much that we hadn't heard before.

There is a lot I want to talk through with you.

But first though, can you give us a quick wrap of the day?

Colin Mandy is slowly teasing out alternative explanations for everything the prosecution has presented so far.

So questions like, why didn't Erin get so sick?

Why didn't she stay at hospital?

We've heard that Erin claims she binge ate leftover cake after the lunch and threw it up afterwards.

We've heard that she acknowledged she may have mixed up her Asian grocer mushrooms with forage mushrooms in a Tupperware container.

Erin Patterson told the jury she never saw death cap online posts that the prosecution has made a lot of during this trial.

She admits she misled her guests about treatment for ovarian cancer.

She says she ditched the dehydrator because she was scared of child protection taking her children away.

And we've heard a lot of reasons about all those SIM card changes and factory resets.

Thank you, Rach.

We have heard so much about the lunch that Erin Patterson held on Saturday, the 29th of July in 2023.

This is the day that she cooked a beef Wellington with mushrooms for extended family.

But what we've heard on this so far has really just been through the lens of the prosecution.

Today we have heard about it from Erin Patterson's perspective and I really want to step through it.

Like we had a huge amount of information presented to the the court, to the jury today.

And I want to kind of start by almost like a retelling of that day.

Like can you start us by taking us through the prep of that lunch?

Sure.

We've heard a lot about the ingredients, where they came from, how she chose them.

So she wanted to go with the beef Wellington, Erin says, because her mum used to cook that on special occasions.

So last time she'd had Don and Gail over, she cooked them a shepherd's pie.

She wanted to up the ante a little bit and she thought this would be a special dish.

So she looks at a recipe from Recipe Tin Eats cookbook.

And as we've both seen in that, it's a big log beef wellington.

It's one size.

She says when she went shopping, she decided she might need to change it to individual portions because she couldn't find iPhillet that big.

But she did find twin packs of iPhillet.

So she jumps online, asks her Facebook friends, would these be okay to use?

A couple of them wrote back and said, that's fine.

But because of that, because she has to do them in individual individual portions she needs more pastry and more mushrooms right so we learned a lot about how many mushrooms she bought from the supermarket phyllo pastry to replace prosciutto and puff pastry right yep and what did we learn of like the morning of when she started to get this meal ready we learnt a lot about duck sal.

Now, I've never heard that word before, but that was the mushroom paste.

So she's a far more elaborate cook than I.

She said that she starts making this paste and she decided that it tasted a little bland.

So she said, I decided to put in the mushrooms I bought from the grocer that I still had in the pantry.

Now these are the mushrooms that she bought at an Asian grocer, she says, months ago in April.

So she had them in the Tupperware container in a pantry.

She said she strained them with the handle, she roughly poured water over them to get the Christmas.

out of them, chopped them up, sprinkled them over the duck sale that she'd already made, and then pushed them in with an egg flip.

And that was how she made the paste.

And we've had so many questions about the difference between the beef Wellington that is featured in the Recipe Tin Eats cookbook and the beef wellingtons that Aaron Patterson prepared, these kind of individual pasties, right?

And this is the explanation for it.

We've had so many people saying, hey, why did Aaron Patterson do that?

Up until today, we didn't know.

Today is the first day that we've heard the reasoning for those individual beef wellingtons,

basically being, yeah, only being able to buy those individual steaks.

So she's cooked them.

And in preparing them you know rachie mentioned she's replaced the prosciutto with phyllo pastry and the reason she did that is because dom patterson didn't eat pork and so she's like okay cool we won't put in the prosciutto which you usually use to help wrap the duck sell around the uh the beef in it and so that's another change in that and again yeah so we've got these mushrooms as well she's cooked down this duck sell um doesn't have the taste she wants to use and um yeah she's grabbed this tupware container out of the cupboard um chucked those you know hydrated them chucked them in there and she was actually asked quite directly about the mushrooms.

And she's, you know, Colin Mandy SC said to her and Patterson, what did you think you were using at the time?

She's like, I thought I was using the mushrooms from the Asian grocer.

Yesterday we heard right at the end of the day how she would store foraged dried mushrooms in a Tupperware container.

He says, what do you think was in there now?

And she now thinks, well, I think there might have been foraged mushrooms in that Tupperware container.

So that was really interesting to hear in court today.

But the difference between the Wellingtons wasn't the only difference that we heard about today.

We also heard a different version of the plates that were used when this meal was served.

Yeah,

much has been made about plates in this trial.

So in the past, we've heard from the sole surviving guest Ian Wilkinson that their meals

His, Heather's, Don and Gail were served on four grey plates.

But we heard a very different story today.

We heard Erin tell the jury that, look, I just used the dinner plates I had, which are a couple of black plates, a couple of white.

There's one with red on top and black underneath, and then one that her daughter had made her at kindergarten, which has scribbles on it.

She was asked, do you own any other plates?

She said no.

She was asked, do you own grey plates?

And she said no.

And she said that while she was finishing off the gravy, which is like a packet mix thing that she was heating up in the pan, so she was doing that.

Heather and Gail took the plates over to the table.

And she says she doesn't remember what plate she had, that she just sat down and started eating.

In this process of sitting down, and in the process of I suppose eating this meal, Erin Patterson was shown a photo of the seating arrangement and we had earlier in the trial, first or second week, I think, Ian Wilkinson in the witness box and he was asked where everyone was sitting at the meal.

That map was put in front of Erin Patterson today and she was asked, is that how the seating arrangement, what the seating arrangement was?

And she actually said,

I think

Gail Patterson was actually sitting across from me.

She wasn't sitting next to me because she said she had a memory of kind of talking across the table to her.

And that is it's different to what Ian Wilkinson said during his evidence.

Yeah two different memories of that lunch and that can happen over time.

People's memories fade

details people forget certain details but the plates and the seating arrangement are two issues where they vary on.

Yeah how much did she say that she ate as well?

She says that she had about a quarter or a third of her meal.

She said that she was talking and just picking at it, but she thinks about not all of it.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, one of the other big things that was talked about in court today was Erin Patterson's lie about cancer.

Now, we have heard from Ian Wilkinson earlier in the trial, as I just mentioned.

Um, he also gave evidence talking about how Erin Patterson was talking to them about how to reveal a cancer diagnosis to her children.

It was basically, you know, it seemed the purpose for having them around at that lunch to have that discussion.

Um, Erin admitted today that that that was a lie.

She did.

She said I did mislead them.

So she gave some explanation for this lie.

She said in the past, she thought she'd had ovarian cancer.

It's something that has worried her.

She does have, she says, a family history of it.

And so she'd had scans for that in the past.

And she said, I'm not proud of this, but I led them to believe I might be needing treatment in the next weeks or months regarding ovarian cancer.

She was asked why she would do something like that.

And I think it comes down to the way that she felt when she was shown compassion from Don and Gail.

And so she just kept that lie going.

Because she talked about messages.

I can't remember if it was messages or conversations that she'd had previously, maybe at that other lunch that you mentioned earlier in the episode,

where she'd said she'd have to go get some tests done.

And

they were really caring.

And she just said, that felt really nice.

And she said that yesterday we heard about gastric bypass surgery and that she was thinking about having that done in coming months.

And so she says that she was going to raise that with them at this lunch.

But it sounds like she let this lie persist for that compassion and the time that arose that she could have told them about gastric bypass surgery, which she said was scheduled for September, I think, 2023.

She said, look, I just didn't tell them the truth.

I was ashamed at that fact that I didn't have control over my body or what I ate.

And I didn't want to tell anyone, but I shouldn't have lied to them.

them.

She was kind of using it as like a cover story for the gastric banding, right?

She was kind of, you know, she knew she was going to need help with the children.

She knew it was going to be obvious that she was having some kind of procedure done.

And so this was the kind of like the cover for not admitting that she was having that surgery.

Yeah, things like getting the children to school, you know, on and off the bus every day, after school activities, things like that.

Yeah, yeah.

So this lunch carries on.

I think this is all happening kind of towards the end of the lunch.

And, you know, as we've heard in other evidence, I think it was Simon, maybe even Erin's son talking about about getting home.

The lunch kind of wrapped up, or maybe it was Ian actually talking about how the lunch kind of wrapped up kind of quickly when the kids got home.

Well, it was when her son got home.

So Simon, her estranged husband, dropped her son home.

He comes in, he's very excited to show Don his grandpa, his book of that he's been, his textbook that he's been using for flying lessons.

So we heard a little bit about that again and the close relationship that the son had with Don.

And then I think

typical boy goes off, starts playing computers, you know, in the games room with his friend who was over.

And Erin said she started cleaning up.

She said that

there was cake left over and fruit left over from the lunch.

So you might remember the portions.

You asked me what Erin ate.

I said about a quarter or a third.

They were very big portions by the sounds because the two women, and we have heard this before, Gail and Heather, said, oh, you know, maybe we should have shared one.

It was a big serve.

So Don ate half of his wife's and there was a lot of, so the dessert, there was a lot left over.

There was three quarters of a cake by the sounds.

There was a lot of fruit.

So Erin says as she was packing up, she ate a piece of cake

and then another piece of cake

and then another.

And she says, I ate all of it.

Now, just a content warning here, just going to be touching on eating disorders.

So

you might remember yesterday she was asked about this condition or this problem that she had and leading into July 2023 she was asked how often she would throw up her food and she said two to three times a week maybe more

and nobody knew.

So we've returned to this issue today.

She says that she ate everything that was left of the cake and then she said she felt sick and overfull so she went to the toilet and threw it back up again.

If this evidence around body image has raised any issues for you you can reach out to the butterfly foundation at butterfly.org.au or by phone on 1-800-ED Hope.

That's 1-800-33 46 73.

Rach

How sick did Erin Patterson get?

I mean, we've heard stories from her children that night and the following day about how she visited the bathroom, but she also drove to a flying lesson the following day on Sunday, right?

You know, She's still suffering.

She does have some,

she is feeling, she's not feeling great.

Her defence lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, has told the jury a few times now, Erin did get sick, but not as sick as the guests.

And on the Saturday night, we learned today that she started having diarrhea that night.

After she put her daughter to bed, it got worse.

She said at around 11, 10 or 11 p.m.

that night.

And through the night, it got quite bad with abdominal cramps and things like that.

Still having it the next morning.

So we're now on the Sunday morning and she has to take her son to a flying lesson.

And she said at that stage, you know, she was needing to go to the toilet, what, every 20 minutes or half an hour or so.

So half an hour into the drive to TIAB, she said she needed to pull over on a stretch of road and she went off into the bush and went to the toilet.

She had diarrhea.

Yeah, on the side of the road.

Side of the road.

And she said, I cleaned myself up with tissues and I put it in a dog poo bag.

That went into my handbag.

And then we hit the road again.

And she said, we stopped at a BP in Caldermead and I went into the bathrooms and put that dog poo bag into the bin.

And we've heard about this visit to the service station before.

We've heard that she bought some things for the children while she was in there as well.

But one of the things we heard, I think even maybe even in the prosecution openings, was that she visited this bathroom, but only spent, despite having diarrhea, saying she had diarrhea, only spent like nine seconds in that bathroom.

And she says, you know, she's trying to get rid of, where she's got this, this bag, this dog poo bag in her handbag with the tissue she's used to to clean herself up on the side of the road.

And she has, you know, while in the bathroom, put that, she says, in the bin in there.

Yes.

So that night she says that she doesn't feel crash hot either.

So she's feeling sick overnight.

on Sunday.

Then into the Monday, she said, I got the kids up, I made their lunches, I took them to the bus at around 7.20.

Then she said, I thought I needed to go to the hospital to get fluids like saline or something.

So she took herself to Lee and Gather Hospital.

Yeah, this, the way that she described this visit to the hospital,

it does match up with what we've heard in other evidence.

You know, all the experiences are the same.

It's just a very different perspective that we hear this time.

You know, we've heard a lot about her kind of scepticism and distrust of the medical profession in evidence over the last couple of days.

If you want to listen to some of that, check out our episodes from Monday and Tuesday this week.

But yeah, we hear about how she gets to the hospital and Dr.

Chris Webster, the doctor of the hospital, kind of says to her, oh, we've been expecting you.

And this kind of throws her.

It does because...

She's like, oh, I'm just here to be treated for gastro.

And Dr.

Webster says, you know, we've been expecting you and he asked me to come through.

And so it was her name, obviously, because we've heard from Dr.

Webster that triggered in him that she was the fifth, potentially the fifth lunch guest.

So Dr.

Webster, according to Erin, tells Erin Patterson, We're concerned that you've been exposed to death cat mushrooms.

And Erin told the court, I was shocked, but also confused about this as well, because I was just expecting to come in and get some saline.

Now I'm learning about death cat mushrooms.

And she says, I didn't see how death cat mushrooms could be in the meal.

You know, and the information that she had so far was that Don and Gail were a bit unwell.

That's all she knew.

She'd spoken to Simon on the phone, I think on the Sunday, maybe the Monday at this point.

There wasn't weren't long conversations from the sounds of it.

I think she knew they had diarrhea and may have been in hospital having fluids, but that's all she knew.

So she says, I was feeling very puzzled about this.

She said that they wanted her to stay for treatment and she hadn't banked on that having to happen.

So she told the nurses that she had to organise things at home.

She said, look, I'll go away.

I'll come back.

So she did.

She went home,

let the dog in, fed him.

She has lambs in the paddock.

She said, I'd be nervous about them being out overnight with foxes and things like that.

So she put them into the shelter, gave them some food, some hay, and then she said she got a bag ready for her daughter that had an after-school activity that night.

And then she said she came back to the hospital.

Yeah.

She's in the hospital.

She's having conversations with a few people.

And she then gets transferred to a hospital in Melbourne.

She's taken across from there.

You know, at this point, still kind of unaware that, you know, other, how sick other people from this lunch are.

I think maybe in the hospital in the way to Melbourne, she's starting to get an understanding of it.

Talks about having, she told the court about having a headache at that point, getting a spray of fentanyl up the nose

to kind of help manage that.

And then in the hospital in Melbourne, she's talking about how she still really doesn't have any idea where the death cat mushrooms, as you were saying, have come from, right?

She doesn't know how they've gotten to the meal.

She has a chat with child protection at the hospital as well.

They talk to her estranged husband, Simon Patterson.

And then after that, she starts talking to Simon Simon and he asks a really pointed question about the food dehydrator and that is when the penny drops for her that maybe there were there was another another mushroom source in this meal.

Yes Erin says that Simon put to her very bluntly is that how you poisoned my parents using that dehydrator?

And she told the court that after that comment that she started to think about all the time she'd used it and how she'd dried foraged mushrooms in the weeks earlier.

And she said, I was starting to think, what if they'd gone into the container with the Chinese mushrooms?

Maybe that had happened.

Maybe that's how this all,

and then her voice trailed off.

And then we started to hear about her fear,

about being scared that she'd be, you know, held responsible for this.

At this point, like we've just said, she knows two people are in hospital but doesn't really know the extent of their illness.

She said, I was worried because child protection protection were already involved and Simon, her estranged husband, was of the mind that maybe this was intentional.

And so she starts feeling very scared about this.

She starts worrying that child protection would remove the children from her.

She just sounded scared.

When she was talking in the witness box today, when she's recounting this story, the way she is describing her state at that time is scared.

And scared that she'd lose her son and her daughter.

So, you know, she said child protection were coming that afternoon.

That's the Wednesday.

She said, I was scared of the conversation that might flow from that about the meal.

They'd already been asking questions over text message about where she'd got the ingredients from.

So she said, look, I got rid of it.

I took the dehydrator to the tip.

And this is the vision that we have seen of Erin Patterson going to the tip, going to an e-waste bin, putting something in that bin.

We saw a receipt of hers from that as well.

And so that is the explanation, I suppose, for why she has dumped that.

She was scared, she was worried about what was going to happen.

She's still not sure at this point, right?

And she's pressed on this later by the health department.

Remember, they're running around stores, trying to Oakley, Clayton, Mount Waverly at that point, trying to find the Asian grocer.

And she was asked, did you still think it could be that?

And she thought, I still thought that was a possibility.

But it was this turning point.

She thought, I knew it wasn't the only possibility.

Now, she was also pressed on why she didn't tell people this at the time and I think that she says sprung from fear as well.

She was put a very pointed question in her house.

You know, we've heard that she was looking out the window and staring out into the paddock and the child protection worker asks her, did you use forage mushrooms in the meal?

I remember the evidence of that worker and the worker said she did, Erin didn't answer it.

Her answer today to that was, I don't remember her asking that question.

The way it was described by Katrina Cripps, the child protection worker, in that moment, you know, she describes asking a really pointed question and getting no answer.

And so, yeah, Erin Patterson's, you know, memory of that is interesting to hear today.

She did say how stressed she was in these conversations with child protection, both at the hospital over text messages and in person.

So she knows people are in hospital.

She's worried about losing her kids.

Maybe that explains her state of mind.

I'm not sure.

But she says that she doesn't remember being asked that question, but she remembers staring out into the paddocks.

Yep, yep.

We heard more detail about the phones as well.

So this has been, you know, we've heard stories about phones being reset, SIM cards being changed.

Today, Erin Patterson talking to the court or telling the court or explaining some of that, firstly, starting with plans to change her phone number.

That same child protection worker, Katrina Cripps, Erin says that she told her she wanted to change her number because she was scared of Simon's behaviour.

And that stems back to the dehydrator comment in the hospital.

She said he was suggesting I'd done something intentionally.

She was nervous about how he was treating her.

So she told Katrina Cripps that she wanted to change her number.

Yeah, yeah.

And also some more explanation on changing phones and the reason that these devices were being reset at certain times.

Yeah, as we both know, there have been a lot of phones and a lot of Sims, and we've tried really hard to get across where they all went and why this happened the prosecution has made a lot of that fact that there have been so many potential sim switches or disconnections to the network and so many handsets and which ones were found in searches and which ones weren't so today we learned a bit more about phone b

so this was the phone that erin gave police the first search warrant day and the same day that they did that record of interview with her.

So they searched her house and then they did the interview.

So that's the one she hands over that day.

And she says that that phone had been hers

up until the 12th of February, but her son had damaged his.

So he took over phone B back in Feb and he did a factory reset on that one.

Now, this is important because much has also been made of the factory resets and why they would need to be done.

So Erin Patterson told the court that her son did the first factory reset.

He set it up for himself.

That's phone B.

That's back in February.

Now, he used it apparently until the 10th of May because he took it on a school camp, he dropped it, got soaked in mud, the cord and the charging port, and it didn't work so well anymore.

So Erin Patterson told the court, look, you know, I put that away, I tried to clean it up, tried to dry it out.

He started using another one.

Now we fast forward to August, and one that she'd been using, she said it wasn't cutting it.

Something was wrong with the screen.

She couldn't see it properly.

So she put phone B on the charging cable, the one that she'd dried out, and at some point did a factory reset on phone B.

So that's the 2nd of August.

And she started changing her contacts that day or the next day.

And this goes back to because she didn't want that same number that Simon had because she was nervous about his behaviour.

So that's reset two.

Reset three

is three days later.

And she was asked why she did that.

And she said, look, I'd put all the apps on it, including photos.

And she knew there were photos of mushrooms and the dehydrator.

And this is while the police are at her house this reset, right?

Correct.

This is on the Saturday.

So she said, look, I just panicked.

I didn't want them, the detectives, to see those photos.

So she does a factory reset on that day.

And then there's a factory reset the next day on the same phone.

This is the phone.

And at this point, the phone is, the police have the phone.

The phone is in a locker in Detective Stephen Eppenstall's.

office.

Correct.

Basically.

Correct.

So what was that all about?

She says, look, after the search of the house, I remember thinking, I wonder if I can log onto Google and see all my devices.

And she said, I could see my phone.

She said she could see her daughter's tablet and phone.

And she said, it was stupid, but I wonder if they were silly enough to leave it connected to the internet.

So I hit factory reset, and it did.

It worked.

Okay.

So those are the four resets.

Those are her reasons behind those resets.

Now, we've heard a lot about phone A and C as well.

So, B, I've just told you, she gives to the police.

A lot has been made of phone A.

And we saw today that, remember that photo of a black rectangle sitting on a windowsill that police didn't seize?

She said, oh, that's phone A sitting on the windowsill.

And phone C, that a SIM card went into, was in a basket.

apparently that police also didn't seize.

Right.

She mentioned, because there's the Nokia, the Nokia phone C, I think.

Yes.

She said she remembers one of the police sort of listing that through in a record of what had been seized.

So she was surprised that they didn't take it.

All right.

Rachel, I want to go back to just some very small things from earlier in the day.

Well, small things in the amount of time we spent on them, probably big things in the scheme of the case.

Visits to Lock and Outram, two places where death cat mushrooms had been spotted and where there had been posts on iNaturalist.

These are posts by Tom May and Christine Mackenzie.

We saw some very quick answers from Erin Patterson when she was asked if she had been to those places or had looked at those posts.

Very quick,

down like Skittles, these questions were.

So have you ever foraged for mushrooms in Lock?

No.

In Outram?

No.

Have you ever seen that iNaturalist post

that was made by Tom May showing death caps in Outram in Nielsen Street?

She said no.

Have you seen the post from Christine Mackenzie?

That was a post of death cap mushrooms in Locke.

She said no.

Thank you, Rach.

Huge day.

Incredibly impressed that we actually managed to get through that in that amount of time.

So thank you so much for taking us through.

Just, you know, to make it worth your while, we'll go through a few listener questions as well.

First, I want to start with a question here from Corey.

Corey has emailed us at mushroomcased daily at abc.net.au.

Corey says, hi, love waking up to the pod here in Boston.

glad we've given you morning something to

feature, I suppose.

And her question, Rach, is, does Erin have a job/slash career?

At the time of her arrest, Corrie, I think she was preparing to potentially resume that Bachelor of Nursing that she talked about.

At Federation Uni, I believe, she got into.

She had put it off because of her daughter's

health condition at the time.

But that's all I understand that she was going back to.

Yep.

Great.

Thank you, Rach.

Thank you, Corey.

Wonderful question.

Another question here from Emily.

Emily says, hi guys, first, loving the pod.

Thank you, Emily.

Congrats to Christian and welcome to Rachel.

Stocky, keep being awesome.

Will do, Emily.

Thank you.

Emily does have a question.

Her question is, does the jury have to justify why they believe reasonable doubt that the four requirements for murder have or haven't been proven?

Or do they just say guilty, not guilty, where they are when they come back?

Do they have to justify reasonable doubt?

No, they don't.

They just say guilty or not guilty.

They do, as you know, those four elements.

Intent is a big one.

We've spoken about that a lot, but they don't have to give their reasons.

And in Australia, unlike America, for example, we will never hear their reasons.

We're not allowed to interview jurors.

We're not allowed to know the decision-making or the conversations that went into their decision.

We only find out their verdict.

Yeah, thank you, Emily.

And we'll have a lot more around the machinations, I suppose, of the jury when we get to that stage.

That is still a little way ahead of us at the moment.

Emily also says, if I'm lucky enough to have my question read out, can I please ask a favor?

Of course you can, Emily.

She says, can you please give a shout out to my partner, Matt?

Hello, Matt.

And our cat, Miso.

Hello, Miso.

They listen to the Epps each night on the couch.

That's very sweet.

And we have another question here, Rach, from Fleur.

Fleur says, hi, Rachel and Stocky.

Thanks for the podcast.

I'm listening from Brisbane.

It's how I spend my downtime while my nine-month-old naps on my lap each afternoon.

I don't have a question, more of an appeal.

Would you consider doing a podcast for the Samantha Murphy case that is coming to trial later this year?

Fleur, I'll take this one.

Sorry, Rach, if you don't mind.

We are keeping tabs on all of the high-profile cases around the country at the moment, including Samantha Murphy's, and we appreciate hearing from all of you on which cases you want us to follow.

So stay tuned over the coming weeks.

If you have ideas for what we should be doing with this feed when this trial wraps up, please send us an email, mushroomcasedaily at abc.net.au.

We'll take it on board.

If you've got a question that you'd like Rach to answer on on the pod, also send that through there.

And look, Rach, as we wrap up today's episode, we do have a small correction from yesterday.

Glen Waverly, Mount Waverly,

Eagle-eared Mushroom Case Daily listeners may remember that Christian Silver on Friday talking about growing up in Glen Waverly and being frustrated when people mix them up.

Well, Christian, we are sorry because yesterday when we were talking about Aaron Patterson's Melbourne house, there was a mix-up.

It was.

I think I said that the house that she owned was in Glen Waverly.

So Glen Waverly is actually the Asian grocer that she says she bought dried mushrooms from.

Her house that she bought with her inheritance from her mother was in Mount Waverly.

So apologies for that.

Trying to cram a lot in my brain, trying to get this out to a very short space of time.

If there's a mistake that's going to be made, it is Mount Waverly and Glen Waverly.

I don't know if you've noticed.

I have not at any point said I know the difference between the Waverleys.

I have got no idea.

I've been leaving that to you and to Christian as well, who continues to be rankled, I suppose, by the pod and my behaviour.

So you're welcome, Christian.

Rach, we continue with Aaron Patterson's evidence tomorrow.

Do we have any idea of kind of the progress of how much we've got to go at this stage?

Colin Mandy did flag earlier in the day he doesn't have too much to go.

So we could see

cross-examination begin by Dr.

Nanette Rogers.

Okay, great.

Thank you, Rach.

Appreciate that.

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