The Death Penalty? Israel v. Hamas? Calm Under Fire? + More From USF Tabling

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My name is Cameron. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about some contradictions that I heard in your arguments.
So on the topic of foster care, you mentioned earlier that you were in favor of cutting social welfare programs, and that would include foster care because those people are dependent on it. So I don't understand how you could be pro-life.
I don't like the terminology of that, but you're pro-life. But then after the kids are born, you're advocating for less social protections for them.
So I don't remember, did I say I wanted to cut social welfare programs? Well, when did I say that? When you said that people have an over-dependence on social welfare. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, yeah. On social welfare.
Yeah, of course. Yeah.
But foster care is a unique thing because these are kids that are not yet of the age of the age to be able to produce or get work. So obviously there's a role for foster care system, but it's incredibly broken.
Let's be honest, the foster care system is one of the most broken, cruel, and unusual portions of our government. So not necessarily a good one to be defending, but it should be completely blown up and reconstituted in a new form.
And I also think that foster care gets left behind in the whole argument because you're advocating for traditional family values and that doesn't really include adopting a kid it includes having your own nuclear family it does why would you say that because so many foster kids are left behind that that was just the point well hold on they're them being left behind is a separate issue than adoption right so correct because it's that about child abandonment, not about people that want to adopt kids. So let me just give you the numbers.
There are about a million abortions every year. There are about three million people on the adoption waiting list.
So we can't adopt these kids fast enough out of the foster care system, right? Yes. So why is it we can't adopt them? I'm not sure the answer to that question.
You might say because we have a lack of families to adopt them. No, actually, no, we have a plenty.
It's just bureaucratic red tape, really. It's incredibly hard to adopt a kid in America.
Incredibly hard. And the second, the second contradiction was about how you advocate for a limited government, but think that the government should have the jurisdiction to kill someone.
Okay, well, I believe in a small but strong government. And for the record, I believe that someone who took a life should have their life taken.
Under every circumstance? Under most, yeah. I think if you take a life, your life should be taken.
Okay. That was all I had.
But let me ask you a question. What do you think would be a just punishment for a murder of an 8-year-old? I would say lock them up and make them pay for their mistakes in real time.
But I understand that costs taxpayer money and everything, but I just am against the death penalty. Okay.
So is there any circumstance where you think the death penalty is okay? Yes. I think that school shooters and mass murderers and crimes against humanity, like you said, but not eye for an eye nonsense.
Okay. So, but let me, let me understand.
Why is it that if you kill 10 people, such a morally different thing than killing one person? Because you're taking more lives and I'm against the death penalty because again you're taking another life it's like you're being hypocritical hold on you're against it in some circumstances you said school shooters so there is a threshold where you're okay with it i want to know by what moral standard you're you say it's okay not okay and where do you get that from that has been studied and tried and i'm just i just want to know why you believe it though um because i'm not trying to play on the spot be nice guys seriously thanks thanks because i think that there's definitely degrees of evilness and i just don't believe in an eye for an eye like a direct proportion killed killing because they killed someone but that's it i just i know that I know that sounds good, but isn't that what justice should be? Justice is the administration of what is due. You should get what you have done, received in return.
Not more, not less. I think an institution should never be able to make decisions that influence life or death things.
Like the government is not a person with feelings or morals. It's an institution comprised of people that can be corrupt.
So depending on what the law is and everything, then the justice would mirror what the government's saying. I'm going to be gentle because I can see you're a nice person.
However, let me just kind of tell you why I think you're wrong. Is that okay? Yes, absolutely.
Okay. So everything the government does is a statement of some morality, right? If you lock up somebody in prison, that is taking away their freedom or liberty.
So you have to make at some point you have to say, I am appealing to some objective standard as to why I think the government should do what it does. And we have an answer to that question, right? I just want to know by what standard you think the government should be able to do that it does or does not do.

Because the government does take life.

And the government should be able to take life, very sparingly and rarely, through a jury of your peers and you're proven guilty and all sorts of these different elements.

And you believe that even with mass shooters.

So there is a degree of which you think that justice is due.

So the question is, this is a very important point that you stumbled into. We as conservatives try to strive for blind justice.
Those on the left will argue for social justice. Is that a fair categorization? Yes.
Social justice is saying, no, you should not be given what you are due. You should be given more or extra based on some sort of group criteria, some sort of background,

some sort of suffering. We as conservatives believe in the ideal that you shall not favor

the administrative justice just because of your skin color, background, wealth, so on and so forth.

Does that make sense? At least the differences of opinions. Yes.
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Yes, sir. Hey, good afternoon.
You got it? Hey, good afternoon. How are you? I just wanted to get your opinion on the funding of AIPAC and the alleged buying out of the U.S.
Congress, especially with everything going on overseas and the highly criticized and debated two-party state between Israel and the Palestinian people. My opinion of AIPAC? How would you curb or resolve the issue? just a pack we have our own domestic issues but they're coming in and earning 28 billion dollars for their donation of 43 and a half to the u.s congress so our foreign like our proxies and our donations to ukraine and the state of israel so how would how would i curb that yeah i mean well look Understand,ica is constituted of americans that are advocating for a foreign policy thing they care about and it's it's a very dangerous road to be on there are groups of armenians that advocate for you know recognition of the armenian genocide there are groups of american indians that recognize for better relations with india and it just so happens there are a lot of American Jews that argue for a very strong relationship with Israel.

So can I better understand the question?

So how do you feel about America using Israel as a proxy?

And like the Apollo affair and Levon affair and the Gulf Wars and the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Okay, there's a lot there.

So how do I think of Israel as an ally?

Is that what you're asking?

Thank you. affair and the Gulf Wars and the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Okay, there's a lot there. So how do I think of Israel as an ally? Is that what you're asking? As America using it as a proxy to keep a chokehold on the Middle East.
Well, I kind of reject the premise of that. I mean, I'm very pro-Israel.
I don't think they're perfect. I think they do a lot that I wouldn't do and that I don't support.
But I don't know. I would better argue that America, that Israel is a complicated ally of the United States,

but very necessary in the Middle East.

Yes, and why so?

For many reasons, for military technology sharing, for data sharing,

for also they're a free society and an island of totalitarianism. Yeah, so a Western power based on imperialism and imperialistic tendencies?

Well, not necessarily.

No, I mean, they're their own sovereign country with their own elections,

their own country, right?

Do you think Israel has a right to exist?

I do, and I believe in a two-party solution, but I don't believe in the... A two-state solution.

I'm sorry, a two-state solution.

But I don't believe in the genocide and displacement of 1.7 million Palestinian people.

Because if you advocate for life, you advocate for all life around the world. Okay, so let's make sure we get our terms right.
I don't want to spend too much time on this, but what is a genocide? Mass killing of people. Okay, and a targeted mass killing of people.
Is that what Israel is doing? Yes, most definitely. How? So you're telling me...
Hold on, let's get back. Did Hamas then commit a genocide on October 7th? Okay, yeah, Okay, let me get there.
Based on your... Okay, so both sides are committing genocide.
But since 1948, we have the partition plan of 1947. We have the transfer agreement in 1933.
There's so much that built up to it. The Warsaw Ghetto Uproject.
Okay, so it's justified to go into nurseries and slit babies' throats. No, they didn't do that.
Oh, no, no, they did. Okay, okay.
Hold on, time out. If you want to go to crimes, then I can pull up a list of 200 crimes.
Where's the evidence? I can show you GoPro footage. I'll show you footage of it.
Hold on a second. GoPro footage of hours uninterrupted of Hamas terrorists wearing GoPros slitting little babies' throats, going into rock concerts and indiscriminately raping women, kidnapping them, and bringing them back to Gaza.
If you'd like to watch that footage, you can. But you said, so I need a clear answer, just to make sure I'm clear.
A genocide is the targeted mass killing of people. So Hamas is guilty of genocide.
Yeah, but correlating, okay, do you believe in, this is off topic, what? No, I'm glad you said yes. No, the Bill of Rights, look.
So therefore. The Second, Third, and Fourth Amendment, do you believe in them? Yes, the right to bear arms, the right not to have soldiers quartered, and the right to privacy.
We can keep going. The right to fit right against self-incrimination.
So as Israel has been violating those for nearly the course of 100 years, how would you feel? If you invite someone into your home and you let them stay as a guest when they were oppressed. Well, hold on a sec.
So first of all, the Second Amendment is not applicable outside of the shores of the United States. So not sure where you're going with that.
But I want to make sure I'm clear. Let me just have you answer this final question.
Yes. If a foreign power commits genocide against you, as you admit Hamas did, how should Israel respond? By, okay.
No, but so, how should Israel respond? Genocide was committed against them. They're allowed to defend themselves most definitely, but not to the extent they have done.
It's killing 65,000 people. First of all...
For 1,200 and bombing civilian areas. 70% of their casualties are women and children in the average age of a child in Gaza is 18 years old.
So first of all... So where are we drawing the line and the shade of gray between black and white? Who's right? Who's wrong? We don't know.
Well, who started it? Israel, most definitely. Hold on.
The Arab-Israeli war. Hold on a second.
Time out. This has been going on for 50-60.
On October 6th, the day before, was there an act of war? Yes, prior. Why do you think there's a group of resistance living there when resistance happened? Okay, no, I can...
So I just want to make sure I understand the argument that this has been a bubbling up conflict since the 1950s. It has been prior to the 50s.
Let me answer you a question. Israel got out of Gaza in the early 2000s.
Yes. Gave it to Hamas.
But if they're still ruling over... Why were they not able to create a nice place in Gaza? Because Israel is holding their materials and their rights.
So do you see a through line here, guys? And it's important, though. It's always somebody else's fault.
Don't speak over me, please. Well, it actually is my deal, but that's fine.
So it is always somebody else's fault, right? No, I'm not saying. I'm saying there's wrong on both sides most definitely, but more on the side of Israel.
It's unsanctioned and unreasoned to go and kill that many people for no reason.

What number would be satisfactory to kill after they go and kill 1,200 people?

Give me the equation.

I want to make sure I understand.

Okay, you believe in an eye for an eye, right?

Generally, but I just want to know the equation, though.

So this is politics.

They can negotiate.

We can release prisoners.

We can embargo them.

Which they are.

Okay, yeah, as going on.

And you admit Hamas uses civilians as human shields?

Absolutely not.

I believe Israel does, and I have video footage of it. It's difficult to debate if you're just on a completely different fact pattern.
I will give you readings and videos. I see videos every day.
I have family there. I see them literally get torn and ripped to shreds by Israeli missiles and them killing kids and animals in the street and fun and laughing.
And they post their own war crimes. None of those missiles were being launched prior to October 7th.
A soldier, a soldier, me versus you. If you're walking in the street with your family and I shoot you and post it on TikTok and laugh, is that not a war crime? That's what Hamas did.
No, that's what Israel is doing. I will not defend everything that every soldier has done hey Charlie Kirk here ever see your dog slowing down or having health issues and wonder what can I do to make them better well my friend add rough greens to your dog's food for 90 days and you'll see changes that will amaze you guaranteed invented by naturopathic Dr.
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If Israel laid down all of their weapons and said our military is no more, what would happen? At this point in time, I don't believe they would come to a two-state solution after everything that's gone on. That question.
Prior to... If Israel disbanded its military,

what would happen?

The Palestinians would take over,

but they would let the Jews...

Oh, okay.

Listen, listen.

Listen.

Not forcefully.

This is how they operate.

This is how Muslims operate Islamically.

They let them live under them in Jizia.

They tax them, and they let them live,

and they take that tax and give it back to them.

How do you think the Ottoman Empire worked

and lasted 600 years? How do you think the Golden Age of Islam lasted and lasted for 300 years? Because this is history. I just want to make sure I understand.
So they would just take over mostly peacefully? No, most definitely peacefully because that's what their basis is. Can you show me an example of Jews living peacefully under Islamic rule? Most definitely.
Where? When Hamas had Israeli captives. Have you seen the prison? The Israeli captives they killed? They're not killed.
There was a nine-month-old baby that just got returned home as a corpse by Hamas. No, but I am interested by what you're saying.
So, again, this is why it's important on this topic to stay on the moral domain, because all of your numbers are wrong. 65,000 kids have not died.
I didn't say 65,000 kids. I said 65,000 Palestinians, and 1.7 million have been displaced, creating one of the largest refugee.
None of that is correct, and that's okay. It's fraction.
I don't believe in the numbers. However, the point is this.
If Israel laid down its weapons, they would be eliminated.

No, they would not.

You just admitted they would take over Israel.

If Hamas laid down their weapons, we would have peace.

Most definitely not.

The Israelis would keep doing what they have been doing.

They have the right to resistance.

They have a ceasefire currently, but prior to that.

When anyone else in the world... The emotions of this topic are very high.
Obviously, my allegiance is first and foremost to America. I'm interested in it just from a moral standpoint, though, which is why is it? Help me understand.
There are well over 40 Muslim-majority countries in the world, over a billion Muslims. Israel is the size of New Jersey, and it has half the world's Jewry, about 7 million people.

Why can't you just let Israel exist and leave it alone?

Why the focus?

Why the intensity?

Why the anger?

There's no anger.

There's no anger?

Not for me.

I'm talking about maybe other people.

I don't hate anyone. I'm not displeased with anyone, but I don't believe in the unnecessary killing of people.
That's not how we were raised. I agree.
That's an American value and a conservative value. I agree.
That's why I think October 7th was the beginning of the unraveling of a lot of decency and conflict. But what do you think about all that spilling over prior? It's the same with the American Revolution.
I reject the premise. You reject the premise? I reject the...
To say that they had no choice but to go and kill a bunch of babies. Let me actually challenge the point.
If you were correct and Hamas was trying to resist, why didn't they go attack military targets and instead they attacked civilian targets? That's what terrorists do, right? So, if it was really like, hey, they wanted to resist they should have went after idf outposts and picked a fight with somebody their own size they went after little kids in nurseries in kibbutzes and i'm i think you have a moral right hold on you're very well read on this topic you have family there i think you have a moral obligation to watch the gopro videos they're public i've watched i've seen I will show you footage every day coming out of Gaza. I've seen what you've seen.
I will show you everything. But you equally.
No, I don't believe you've seen what I've seen because then you wouldn't talk this way. No, no, I've seen what you've seen.
But I want you to look at the guys that for three hours straight were watching GoPro videos laughing, putting babies in ovens. Okay, show it to me or send me the link.
No, no, I'm happy to. And the fact you don't even know it exists is very telling because that's why israel has become so aggressive in return and understand the background yes is that the jewish people have still not repopulated themselves to the pre-nazi holocaust levels how many people do you think died in the holocaust how many people do you think died in the holocaust that's why different options.
7 to 8 million is usually the number? They say 7 to 8 million. I've seen 6.
I've seen 2. I've seen 3.
Okay, so what number do you believe? And why does it matter? Did I live back then? That's 1940s, 1930s, 40s. Does it matter? No, I mean, regardless, it's a massive killing of them.
Is the Holocaust real? Yeah, of course the Holocaust is real. Okay, good.
Then it shouldn't matter. But how can you say they haven't repopulated to those times?

How do you know?

Is there a record of the death?

Yeah, there is a record of the death.

And so we know how many Jews that there were in the country and in Europe,

and they have not yet been able to repopulate to those same equivalent numbers coming back.

So, look, I think we don't agree on anything, and that's okay.

I would love to see an end to the killing.

However, there needs to be three. Let me ask you my three-part question, okay? Do you believe anti-Semitism is real, wrong, and evil? I believe it is wrong, and I believe it exists, and I believe it's evil, yes.
Okay, good. And Israel has right to exist.
It's a super easy three-point question. Let me pause right there and ask you.
It's not that complicated. What defines a Semite? And when did the term come about? Well a semite yes comes from somebody from the samaritan region yes right medic peoples which consists right i could have finished the you know answer but yes from the samaritan region that is a term that has largely been popularized in the last 1500 so let me let me be more specific anti-jewish hatred Is that fair? Yes.
That's evil, wrong. Yes.
Okay. Israel has a right to exist.
Yes.

Yes.

Okay. 1500.
So let me be more specific. Anti-Jewish hatred.
Is that fair? Yes.

That's evil, wrong? Yes.

Israel has a right to exist. Yes.

Okay, good. And that

since we posit that Israel has a right to

exist, that we need to come up with some

solution where all people can live

peacefully in the region. A two-state solution.

Or a one-state solution. Or a three-state solution.

Okay, then if it's a one-state solution,

why can't they live under the Palestinians peacefully like they did previously? I don't speak on behalf of Israel, but if a group of people go and murder 1,200 of your own people for no reason, I don't think I'm going to give them the keys to Jerusalem. Okay, that's fine.
Thank you so much. I appreciate your time.
Thank you. Thank you.
Disagreements, welcome, guys. Thank you very much.
Hello. All right.
Hi. My name is Kyle Voling.
I'm a senior here at the University of South Florida. Guys, please show respect to everyone asking a question, okay? Thank you very much.
I'm a senior at the ASL interpreting program here at USF. And I bring this up because you had made the claim back in January.
I'm going to get in a lot of trouble. I totally stand by this, by the way.
Yeah. During the Los Angeles fires, ASL interpreters on screen were distracting and unnecessary.
I'd like to start off with what your perspective of ASL is, because a lot of people have ranges and some people may be inaccurate on what that belief is. I just mean the sign language interpreters during the disaster proclamations that didn't exist when I was a kid.
And for whatever reason, I have to look at them and it distracts me when I'm trying to hear what the person has to say. Okay.
So a lot of people who are unaware of what American sign language is, thinks it's that it's word for word exact English. In most cases, it's not.
So it's a completely different form of a language, like any person who speaks Spanish or English. And I bring this up because there was an estimate about 10 people who had died in the Los Angeles fire.
And the claims and the rhetoric that you had used that ASL interpreters were useless and unimportant could have led those people to remain living in the environment that they were in. They had ASL interpreters, so it didn't save their life.
Okay, but let's just say if they weren't able to. No, hold on a second.
Your argument is not founded because every California broadcast requires ASL interpreters. So how could it have saved their life if it already existed? Okay, fair point.
I understand that. But then I just...
Am I unable to agree with Charlie? It's fine. It's fine.
Let me just... I'm curious.
Why can't people who are deaf just read closed captions? Yes. So I have that written down.
Closed captions. Yes.
Closed captions is exact word for word order. ASL and English are not the exact same language.
People who have no exposure to what English is and grew up in a generationally deaf family only know American Sign Language. The same way that somebody who was from Mexico and they only spoke Spanish or any country for for that instance, would only know the language they spoke at home.
So having that access. But the disaster briefings are only in English.
But ASL provides that access to other people the same way that Spanish interpreters on screen. Hold on, you can do closed captions in Spanish, too.
They can, correct. But ASL interpreters on screen is the exact same thing as closed captions.
Let me tell you why. Closed captions on the screen is for hearing people who are unable to hear.
I picked this fight for a very specific reason. It is a small portion of the population.
And I agree. It's obviously unnecessary.
And it's kind of in your face of this nonstop virtue signaling thing that we're going to keep on adding new trappings to appease new groups for no good emergency response reason whatsoever. So are you saying that deaf people are unimportant to our society? No, I think they're super important.
Because that's the rhetoric that you're saying, that ASL interpreters on screen are unimportant to the deaf community that you have. No, I think you can go back to how things were under Katrina, or you just read closed captions.
As I'm saying, ASL has a completely different linguistic and cultural background. Can you give me evidence that saved lives? I'm sure I could find plenty, but right now I don't have any.
My deaf ASL professor has no problem. She actually preferred closed captioning.
And that's what I'm saying. ASL is a complete range of a language, but completely blocking out ASL interpreters and saying that our work is completely useless is very unempowering to the field that we're going into.
And we're very lucky here at USF to have the only face-to-face program that offers ASL interpreting. The only other college here in Florida is University of North Florida, which is all online.
Okay, so let me just make sure I understand. Should, and I don't know the answer to this, but do you think that in how we do broadcasts or whatever, we should have, like, pandering subsets to every single portion of minority populations? Like, for example, like, should we just say we're not going to do the broadcast with audio anymore because of hearing sensitive people that don't like? I mean, we can get to some extremes here.
So are you more against having access to people who are unaware? Let me tell you what I'm against. I'm against changing what has worked to try and accommodate very small portions of the population that have outsized ability to complain for no reason whatsoever.
And that has wide-ranging civilizational implications. I think closed captions have worked.
They do work. And by the way, you know the amount of deaf people that reach out to me saying ASL is a racket and that closed captioning? I mean, I opened, like, this huge fight.
The ASL Association came after after me, like this whole thing. I love all people.
Some of my best friends are deaf. And it's not about that.
It's a broader question of where are we ever going to draw the line as a country that maybe this pandering has gone too far. So I'm more concerned because ASL, the first word is American.
What is so awful about that that's providing access that you're so against? Having it on the screen is hardly a distraction. Again, you can kind of tell I'm pushing the boundaries intentionally because I think that if somebody doesn't say this is silly and stupid, nobody will.
I mean, at some point you get to the place where you have to say, no, what is the purpose of this? Why does this exist? Because ASL interpreters have only truly been around since the 1960s after the ADA had made them a point to have wish you honestly, God bless you for wanting to serve people that are not able to hear. I think that's really admirable.
I think that's great. Whether or not it's part of like a mandated emergency broadcast is a completely different issue.
So I wish you well. Thank you for your comments.
Thank you. Thank you.
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And it kind of caused some waves at my university because I was on the newspaper there. and so now later post college, you know, I thought about doing podcasting and talking with people, but I found it very difficult sometimes to remain calm in a debate.
So how do you remain so calm when someone who is dissenting or even the crowd gets obviously heated? I will say, look, I naturally do not have a lot of self-control, but I believe it's a fruit of the spirit, which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and of course, the last one, self-control. And I believe that those of us that are Christians should invite the Holy Spirit into our life on a daily basis.
And that is a fruit of the Spirit. Okay, thanks.
That's the best answer I have. All right.
God bless you. Thank you.
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Let's let this young man come, and then we'll go there. Yes.
Is that a Mises pin? Yes, it is. Oh, my gosh.
Ludwig von Mises. I really appreciate what you said about education.
We shouldn't be specialized. You know, we should be learning philosophy and the ancients and so on.
And it makes me really sad. I'm about to disagree with you here.
Do losers deserve property rights? And losers, I mean, the Palestinians. I mean, do they deserve life? Do they deserve to have their own associations and voluntary associations and so on? We're appealing to objective standard.
Why can't we have that for them as well? Great question. Let me just pause and say, guys, I have a rule that I will not do a topic more than twice.
This is the last time on Israel, okay? And just, I know people are fired up. I'm happy to talk about it, but this is not the Charlie Kirk Israel hour.
So, is that cool? So this is the last time on Israel. Okay.
And just if you know, people are fired up not, I'm happy to talk about it, but this is not the Charlie Kirk Israel hour. So is that, is that cool? So this is the last time and then we'll, otherwise this only becomes singular topic focused.
I'm sorry. No, no, no.
Don't apologize. It's fine.
So you're asking, do losers get property rights? Well, I, let me just kind of push back. There, there has been self-government autonomy of Gaza since early 2006.
The West Bank is largely self-autonomous and has sovereignty. So they do have property rights.
What they've done with those property rights has been pretty lackluster. It's become basically a hellish place to live, unfortunately.
Yeah, I would only disagree and say that Hamas is the ones who have been ruling the place, right? And they aren't actually protecting the property rights of the Gazans and so on. Totally.
They're just another gang, right? And I'm completely in agreeance with you of getting rid of that gang, right? But then what about those Palestinians? Can they come back to that land? Can they live there? Can they have voluntary associates there? I would love to say yes. Let me tell you my biggest issue.
And you might agree or disagree. The first issue is this, is that Hamas was democratically elected.
There is support for Hamas within the people of Gaza. Now, I don't trust these polls where they say, and this is even from some of the pro-Israel voices, they say, oh, you know, Hamas is supported by a lot of people.
I look at a singular piece of evidence, which is when the Hamas terrorists did what they did on October 7th, they were greeted with widespread parade and celebrations in the streets of Gaza. That's troubling.
That's troubling. So the biggest problem is, is Islam in its current form? Is can Islam in its current form foster a free society yeah and that's a question because in the implementation of muhammadin islamic jihadism will they respect the elements of a free society and we don't have a lot of evidence to suggest yes okay um sure but the reason why i think it's important to reinstate that you know the palest Palestinians should live in that land, and it's theirs, right? And they should be relocated to Jordan or any other Arab country.
It's because ethnically, that's where their family came from, right? That's where their lineage comes from. And so it would seem disingenuous to say that, well, if Trump came in and, you know, basically, you know, re-bombed the area and got rid of all of them, moved them all out, developed the land, and just put Jews back into place, that doesn't seem proper and right.
I mean, I'm fine with Israel controlling the whole area, but why can't Palestinians themselves live in those areas? I mean, it doesn't seem like – They do and they probably end up will. This idea of them moving in and out is logistically so impossible I can't even wrap my head around it.
What I will say, though, is that this is the more complicated, and I don't want to get into this, is like whose land is it? And exactly who is the Palestinian people? Those are much more complicated questions. For basically as long as there has been a Judea and Samaria, it has been the nations of Israel for about 3,000 years.
There have been Jews in those regions. What is a Palestinian is a much more complicated question because that is actually a new term.
So is a Palestinian an Arab? Is it a Muslim? Is it someone from Jordan? Is it someone from Syria? Is it someone from it's the current people group living in Palestine? That is the best answer. Right.
Well, again, what is Palestine is another question. I actually believe in people's right to self-determination, that if you say you are a people, you become a people.
I believe in that. However, their claim is on an ethnic one, so they're inviting the criticism, if that makes sense.
Sure. I mean, and I would only push back and say that most of the Jews who are living there now, most of them came from Eastern Europe, from Thomas Herzl and Jobbock.
Of course, but they don't live in Gaza. Sure, but they live in a part of Israel that wasn't originally theirs.
And they bought some of the land from the Turkish and so on, but they didn't buy all that land. They definitely invaded and conquered it.
Yeah, and again, I don't want to go deep in this, but the parts that were questionably Israel's have been largely given back. The Sinai, in particular, was given back to Egypt.

There were lots of land for peace deals, and that almost never works.

You seem very reasonable.

Here's what bothers me, is I've dealt with a lot, and I've got to know,

as you can tell, the previous young man that was up here,

with a lot of people from this region that are wicked smart.

I think they deserve better than living under a radical Islamic

totalitarian government. And I want to try to see them get closer to a free society.
And I don't

think under current Islam, that's possible. Sure.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Thank you.

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