What's Driving the Democrat Death Spiral?

Hey everybody, are the Democrats in a death spiral? We analyze with Ryan James Gerdusky. And then Tom Hulman joins the show to talk about the mass deportation effort and how the courts are trying to get in the way of the will of the American people and President Trump's agenda.
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Joining us now is Ryan James Gerdusky, very smart man from natpop.substack.com and founder of the 1776 Project PAC and host of It's a Numbers Game on iHeart. Ryan, good to see you.
Thanks for having me, Charlie. So, Ryan, you wrote extensively about this on your sub stack.
I want to start with 160 here about the Democrat doom loop. Play cut 160.
Newsom is obviously setting up for a run for the presidency in 2028. And I'm not so sure that his current strategy is really going to work because what he's doing is he's trying to appeal to the right.
But what I see is people like AOC and Bernie Sanders, who are further left than politicians we've seen in the mainstream in modern American history, garnering so much support, breaking records with attendance at rallies. What the left may need right now is possibly somebody further to the left, not further to the right.
OK, so, Ryan, which way do you think the the Democrat Party is going to go? I love it when a kid whose headphones are too big for his head is giving the world life advice. I think that that was that kid, if you couldn't if you can't see it.
It depends on the primary structure for the twenty twenty eight presidential election. If they skip Iowa and New Hampshire again, it is very clear they're going to move to the center because black voters who will make up a majority of the voters in South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, these early states.
I don't know about Florida anymore, but it was Florida forever, in the Democratic primary, they are centrist. They are centrist to conservative Democratic voters.
The reason that Joe Biden was able to resurrect his entire career in the 2020 Democratic primary is because the South Carolina black voters resurrected him. And that's why Iowa was where Barack Obama was able to get his start.
And he probably would have won anyway in South Carolina because he's a black candidate. But a lot of moderate candidates find their success in the deep south.
If the deep south is the beginning of the twenty twenty presidential calendar is because the party is looking for a moderate person. If they start in Nevada, Iowa, New Hampshire, anything like that, it will be leaning progressive.
So speaking more broadly, if you kind of look at the four components of the current Democrat party, they have people that are addicted to government programs. They are just welfare queens.
They don't want to work. You have government workers, so people that are paper shufflers.
You have, let's say, black women or just kind of black and Hispanic, but not increasingly less Hispanic. And then finally, crazy women.
Those are basically the four components of the Democrat Party. Is that about right? Yeah.
And you're missing the people who are professionally hate men and white people. That's all.
And Christians. Those are also the very, very they've kind of fallen between those things.
But that's also the very fifth, very important portion of it. And look, it's not a majority.
And if you look at that David Shore deep dive, which I know you've talked about in the past, the Democratic Party's worst demographic in the last election was men under the age of 20. Like it is such a reversal because of how toxic some of their politics have been.
And the fact that Jasmine Crockett is a tie with Barack Obama in the CNN poll of who is the leader of the Democratic Party. They have the dime store Cardi B, who was a middle-aged woman who went to elite private schools.
And then the former president who hate him or love him was the former president and a very eloquent speaker with Jasmine Crockett, who was comparing a paralyzed person and calling him Hot Wheels today at the Human Rights Convention. That is really a startling place for how much the party has kind of lost its mind and how much bigger the tent for the Republican Party has become.
Let's play some pieces of tape here. This is from the David Shore conversation.
This is people trust Republicans more than Democrats on issues that matter. Play cut 102.
You know, what you see here is if you look at the top issues that voters care the most about, cost of living, the economy, taxes and government spending, you know, the deficit, foreign policy, you know, health care. Other than health care, where Democrats have a narrow lead, Republicans have massive trust advantages, you know, 15 points on all of the issues that voters care the most about.
And so the story that I would tell in response to your question is that in this election, voters trusted Republicans way more than Democrats on all of the most important issues. That is quite a reversal in just a couple of years.
Ryan, what do you attribute that to? Well, one, the focus by Democrats on things that don't matter, like abortion and like the rise of fascism, which most people in their regular lives don't honestly think is the one is happening and two is, you know, happening tomorrow. And also the fact that Democrats really had a breakdown of civil society.
Look, Democrats run almost every one of our major cities in America, the places in the 90s and 2000s that everyone wanted to be. Everyone wanted to be like, you know, in New York or Los Angeles and thriving metropolitan cities.
And they're all losing people. You know, I was actually thinking this before.
If you look at the new census numbers that had the number of immigrants moving to these cities and kind of growing them, if it were not for mass immigration, blue cities would actually feel the repercussion of failed policies. And it's only because they keep bringing in these third world immigrants that sit there and kind of bring the population back.
But Americans have rejected them with their feet. They're leaving them in mass and they have for the last five years.
They have failed on quality of life issues across the board. And then they defend lawlessness from crime and riots to the border.
And they expect you to feel more sorry for an illegal alien who's in a gang and has gang tattoos and was deported quickly than they do for that poor girl, the nursing student who was killed in Georgia. That is a complete and total breakdown of where their thought process and what priorities are when it comes to how Americans live every day.
So the prevailing wisdom was that if we just moderate our politics as Republicans, this is what Karl Rove would tell us. This is what Liz Cheney would tell us.
This is what Adam Kinzinger would tell us. This is what a lot of the blubbery talking heads on cable TV will tell you.
And they would tell it to my face. Well, Charlie, you know, if you want to win young people over, you have to moderate your politics.
You're too extreme, Charlie. You're too outspoken.
Don't talk about the war on white people. You just talk about lowering taxes for young people, and that's how you'll win them.
Well, it turns out that was all a bunch of rubbish. It turns out that young people wanted a cultural force.
They wanted a reckoning against the prevailing rot that they were seeing encompass their nation. This is the New York Times, Ezra Kline and David Shore, about how Democrats are getting destroyed with younger voters.
I'll be honest, I still don't think our audience is internalizing the improbability of this, how unique this is, how much this messes up the Democrats' long-term plans. We saw this coming years ago.
Play cut 76. So Democrats are getting destroyed now among young voters.

That's right. I do think there was even as the idea of the rising demographic Democratic majority had become a little discredited in 2016 and 2020.
I do think Democrats believed that these young voters were eventually going to save them. That this was a last gasp of something.
that if Donald Trump couldn't run these numbers up among seniors

and you had millennials really coming into their voting power,

Gen Z coming in, that was going to be the end of this Republican Party. Right.
And that just completely false. Yeah, I mean, I'd be the beginning of this Republican Party.
You know, I have to admit, I was I was one of those liberals four years ago. And it seems like I was wrong.
I would just sit there and say that the work that you've done, the work that a lot of people do,

the thing that the Liz Cheney's did not understand is what is a moderate? A moderate is not always Susan Collins. A moderate is very far right in immigration and maybe centrist on abortion and left-wing on health care.
That's what a moderate is. And we hit where the moderates actually cared about, like on immigration, the border, and the war against white people.
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Here is the new leader of the Democrat Party who is a race essentialist, a black woman in the Democrat Party who always talks about race essentialism. Of course, we have no problem with people of different skin colors.
I mean, by the way, Mia Love just passed away, a phenomenal black Republican woman. Amazing.
She He just passed away. So sad.
The Democrats, this is going to be their new leader. Play cut 178.
Because we in these hot Texas streets, honey. Y'all know we got Governor Hot Wheels down there.
Come on now. And the only thing hot about him is that he is a hot mess, honey.
So. So, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Ryan, did you understand that? That was some mix of English and jive. She's 43 years old and went to a K through eight school that now costs thirty five thousand dollars a year.
The idea that she's ghetto or whatever she's presenting herself as is the biggest joke. I mean, she's doing, she's doing some kind of bit, I guess, to sit there and prove herself somehow.
And it's just, I don't know, listen, she's in a super safe democratic seat over in, I think, Dallas or Houston is one of the two. And she's trying to say, this is how I will break through as a potential lead in the Democratic Party, either to have a post career as a television host or a speaking engagement person, or she's going to sit there and run with AOC in the most in the ticket that will really show Americans are tired of this bit.
So if you were to predict, Ryan, what is the most dangerous Democrat for us to run against in 2024? Westmore. Okay, so not just a person, that's helpful, but tell us the archetype.
Well, no, that's fine. I mean, tell us the archetype and then the biography.
Both are helpful. Somebody who speaks English well, unlike Congressman Crockett, that would be a starter to a man.
I think Democrats are going to take a break from nominating women for quite some time. It's just the truth.
And I think that they're going to probably pick a man who is not a white man, who checks a lot of boxes, who speaks well and has centrist career things. I mean, look, if you watch the the Harris DNC convention and the Hillary DNC convention, it looked a lot like a George W.
Bush convention in the way they sounded about certain things, patriotism, America. They've definitely taken this road.
And I just don't think there is enough people in the Democratic Party who live in Bushwick, Brooklyn, who've got pink hair, just that they're a nominee. AOC could not win a statewide primary in New York against Chuck Schumer.
That is why I believe partially she's looking at a national primary. And there is nothing, running for off president is a career booster.
That is how you end up becoming Pete Buttigieg, which you would have never done if you had to run just being a mayor. So I think that there's gonna be a lot of people in the clown car.
But at the end of the day, I think black voters who make up the majority of primary voters for Democratic Party in a large, a lot of states, especially the big south, southern southeast states, they will be voting for a moderate man, probably a man of color. And I think that Westmore has what it takes right now.
And so you do think AOC will run for the presidency? I mean, it looks I don't if she was not, I don't know what else she would be doing. Like she's not doing anything differently than I would be advising if I was a Democratic consultant.
There's nothing that she's doing that would make me think she's not running for president. I don't think she's running for a statewide office in New York.
I just don't think she's going to challenge Chuck Schumer's, you know, 50 million dollar coffers. And she does.
She she isolates too many people in New York. There's too many voters who absolutely be appalled by her.
So I think she's going to look at a national thing and being the national voice of the party. And she has a better chance of doing that, although I don't think she can win than she does at being a state, a U.S.
senator, which, by the way, she's not a super effective legislative begin with. Why would she be a senator for? It's a very interesting question that by all appearances, the Democrat Party should moderate.
Your point is very well taken. Depending on what state they choose first, they're going to signal the type of primary electorate they want to run towards.
I suppose the question, though, is will the national base of the Democrat Party put up with a moderation campaign or be a populist progressive in the sense that you like they used to be like, be like, be like a butchicle. What's this for the labor activists of the 1970s? Be super pro union, be super worker and be against illegal immigration, which drives down their wages, trying to mix life.
But they don't they don't want working class voters. That's their ultimate problem.
There is a path for Democrats to move forward on. Talk about, you know, billionaires in the Trump administration or or the wealthy or tax cuts.
There is a road for them to walk on and be a working class party. They have no interest in working

class people because they're revolted by them. They are the party of college educated people

who have those signs. One of the reasons why they're revolted is that a majority of the

working class is white. And so definitionally, they hate that.
So if you have a white working

class, they hate white people. So therefore, they don't deserve any representation.
We're

out of time. Ryan, thanks so much.
Check out his sub stack. Really appreciate it.
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Tom, welcome to the program. Thank you for taking the time.
I know you are very busy. Give us an update, our viewers, a macro update of how border operational security is proceeding and the deportation effort.
I know you guys are working very hard. Give us an update from the front lines.
Well, let me start with this first, if you don't mind. So during CPAC, I made a statement that I was going to go to Boston and bring hell with me because child rapists, illegal aliens that were walking the streets of Boston because of their sanctuary policies, not only in Boston, but the entire state of Massachusetts.
Well, I went up there and started the, I went, as promised, I went to Boston last Tuesday and we started a five-day operation. We arrested 370 illegal aliens, most of them criminal threats, and including child sexual predators, murderers, gun traffickers, drug traffickers.
So kept our promise. So once again, we're proving that Massachusetts is a sanctuary haven for the worst of the worst.
So follow through on that promise. As far as the border, as the numbers are down right now, we're at 96% decline in illegal entries.
It's the most secure border we ever had. We got more to do.
What I like the most is number of gotaways under Joe Biden. We were averaging 1,800 gotaways a day.

People that entered the country,

weren't arrested, weren't vetting and got away.

We went from 1,800 to double digits, like 42.

So that's a good number.

Of course, illegal deaths that went down,

American deaths from fentanyl is going down as we secure the border.

As far as interior enforcement operations,

we've arrested more criminals

in the first two months of the Trump administration.

Joe Biden did all last year. So our numbers look good on the interior.
I want more. I'm happy the numbers are high, but we need more.
So I'm asking ICE to target more people, increase the targeting, and remove more public safety threats out of this country. Boston was a great operation, but we need more.
We do need more. We need to get those numbers up.
So part of what the media is focusing on is this enemies act that has been invoked to repel Trende Aragua in the interior of the United States. You guys have done a very good job of articulating the application of that law.

Rachel Maddow and a lot of people on the far left are trying to make a big deal saying that,

well, there are non-Trende Aragua members that were caught up in the deportation effort and expelling them to El Salvador. What is the truth of the matter here, Tom? My side, I've talked to the highest levels of ice.
I talked to the officers that are involved with that manifest and putting those targets together. They guarantee me that every one of the Venezuelans I have a plight with is aDA member.
Doesn't surprise me that any family member of TDA are going to say they're not TDA because they certainly don't want them in El Salvador in prison. But look, this was based on a lot of investigative work, anything from scraping social media to surveillance, to intelligence briefings, to criminal investigations.
Just because a gang member doesn't have a criminal record doesn't mean they're not a gang member, just as most terrorists in this world aren't in any terrorist database. So I'm going to believe the men and women who do this for a living before I believe any member of TDA.
I've been told they're all members of the TDA. TDA's been designated a terrorist organization.
MS-13's been designated a terrorist organization. Everybody on those flights are a terrorist that we remove from this country.
President Trump keeping his promise to the American people. Yeah.
And so to reiterate that, what is your response to these judges? There's one judge in particular that just came out and said that these terrorists were treated worse than even the Nazis were. I mean, how dare this judge say something like that? But criticizing the administration for its treatment of these illegals, an outrageous statement.
What are your thoughts? Well, it pisses me off because you're talking about the men and women of ICE who strap a gun to the hip every day, put a badge on their chest and put themselves in harm's way every day to protect this public, to remove public safety threats and national security threats from the streets of this country. To compare them to the Nazis, for God's sakes? Are you kidding me? To the annihilation of the Jews? That's an insult to everybody.
That should be an insult to every American to compare what ICE does every day to Nazis. It's incredible.
It's coming from a judge. These people, a lot of these people on these flights had due process because some of them were Title VIII, were moved to Title VIII.
They already got ordered removed by a federal judge. But the terrorists, to the Alien Enemies Act, a law that was enacted by Congress and signed by a president, were enforcing the law on the books.
We're not making this up. President Trump, by proclamation, took the steps he could take to remove terrorists from the country as quick as possible.
And that's exactly what we did. So I'm shocked but not surprised that somebody would say something like that.
But it's disgusting. So, Tom, to the Democrat obstructionists like the mayor of Boston and many others like Kathy Hochul, I want to play Kathy Hochul's tape and get your reaction.
Let's play cut 110. We're not going to allow this mass deportation.
Where we will cooperate, and I did this even under the Biden administration, if you have a warrant or you know someone's on a terrorism watch list or committing crimes in their home country or committing crimes here, that's a different category, and I will help you with those to protect everyone. But don't bleed over into going to schools and sensitive places.
So our state policy, our state law does not allow for our state police to be involved in those situations. Now, what we have are some renegade counties in New York, because individual counties can sign a pact with ICE.
They are cooperating with their local police departments. But what I control is the state police.
And they will not cooperate. Has she been helpful, Tom? And your reaction to Governor Hochul? No, she's not.
Look, I'm a native New Yorker. Born in New York.
Raised in New York. Went to college in New York.
I got a home in New York. And she's an embarrassment position she holds.
She's lying. First of all, we don't need a warrant.
Under the Immigration Nationality Act, we go with administrative warrant. She's talking about a criminal warrant.
No, Congress says in federal law, all we need is administrative warrant. She won't honor him.
And here's a woman who says, a governor who says, well, we want to help. She stood on national TV after illegal alien, Benzo Williams, beat up NYPD.

She stood on national TV after a woman was burned alive

by an illegal alien on the subway,

making a statement that I believe criminal aliens

should be deported too.

And what's the first thing she did?

She flew down to New York and tried to remove Mayor Adams,

who wants to work with ICE, getting us to Rikers Island.

Rikers Island is where they hold criminal illegal aliens.

He wanted to remove them because he wants to work with ICE to go on to Rikers Island. So she's speaking on two sides of her mouth.
She believes in sanctuary policy. She ought to go talk to citizens in upstate New York, like Buffalo and Syracuse, where illegal aliens have killed young girls, American citizens.
Again, she's an embarrassment to the position she holds. And she needs, and I just, you know, I was up in New York just two weeks ago, called called her out at a press conference, her misstatements.
Law enforcement, the cops, the law enforcement, the guys working the front line, they want to work with us because they know not only can we remove the public safety threats from the community, we can remove them from the country, which means law enforcement officers don't have to rescue an illegal alien five or six times over and over again, which means they spend more time on public safety issues.

So absolutely, she's lying to the American people. She's lying to the taxpayers in New York.
We're going to see more and more of these obstructionists like J.B. Pritzker and even Newsom and Hochul.
What is the plan to still execute the mandate the American people gave you when you have these Democrat governors getting in the way? How can we, how can that best be remedied? Well, first of all, Pam Bonney's already suing some of these sanctuary cities. I think she's going to sue.
We'll have a lot more, but in the meantime, we're going to keep coming. They're not going to stop us from doing what we're doing.
I'll tell you the same thing I said in New York at the press conference in New York about OCO.oko you want you want to you know you know a bracy sanctuary policy where you knowingly release a public safety threat illegal alien back into the public that's just plain stupid but if you keep doing that what does that mean that means we send more ice officers to your communities that means more collateral arrests get made like the big thing they keep saying well you're resting on on criminals no kidding if you want to release a public safety threat criminal back in the community it means i got to send agents in the community to find him when we find him most likely he's with other illegal aliens it may not be a criminal uh be a criminal convicted or a public criminal threat however they're in a country illegal well guess what we're not going to tell ice to turn a blind eye. They're going to enforce the laws.
They've been took an oath to enforce. We're going to arrest those collateral illegal aliens.
So Sanctuary City is going to get exactly what they don't want. More officers in the community and more collateral arrests because you force us in the community.
And if Sanctuary City is concerned, we'll double the manpower there. We're not going to stop doing what we're doing.
American people gave President Trump a mandate. His number one issue was illegal immigration, border security, and removing the worst of the worst.
And that's what we're doing. And no one's going to stop us.
Tom, you had a great moment with Jonathan Karl where he asked you during his Sunday show about due process. Play cut 116.
We stand with immigrants. You belong here.
Boston doesn't back down. We may not always agree or see eye to eye, but at the end of the day, we are a family.
If you come for one of us, you will get all of us. Well, that's an unrelated clip, but she is trying to taunt you.
Let's play 133.

What we've heard from lawyers representing some of these people is that they deny that they're members of this gang, or either, you know, Trendy de Aragua or MS-13. That plane was full of people designated as terrorists, number one.
Number two, every Venezuelan migrant on that flight was a TDA member based on numerous criminal investigations, on intelligence reports, and a lot of work by ICE officers. Matter of fact, two days after that flight took off, I even had a discussion with the acting director of ICE, and he reiterated that every person, every Venezuelan on that plane, was a known member of the TDA.
And you've mentioned all that before. More broadly, Tom, what are you looking to get from congressional approval here in this reconciliation bill? What help do you need to keep on fulfilling the mission? Well, as far as Mayor Wooner comments, well, we got 370 of them and we're coming back.
We're going come back again and again and again to to remove public safety threats from boston and from massachusetts and the governor and america say what they want we're going to keep coming as far as congress we need money charlie we need money to buy more beds we need money for more flights the more money we have the more we can do look what we've done already border border crossing down like i 96%. We're arresting three times more people than Joe Biden did in the same time period.
But we got a lot of public safety threats. Last count, about 700,000 final order public safety threats.
We need to find these people, but it takes money. It takes money to do operations, take monies to detain them.
It takes money to transport them and fly them out of the country. So Congress needs to come to the table and fund this mandate for the president.
We're going to keep the president's promise. But again, the more resources we have, the more successful we're going to be.
Tom, excellent work. Thank you.
We have your back 100 percent. Make sure the mass deportation force continues.
Thank you, Tom. Thank you.
Thank you for doing what you're doing, Charlie. I appreciate you.
Absolutely.

Thank you.

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Some breaking news, everybody. President Trump has put a pause on all federal funding, at least tens of millions of dollars in federal funding, for Planned Parenthood.
Now, we should not spend any money on Planned Parenthood. They get over $700 million a year.
Between 2019 and 2021, Planned Parenthood performed over 1.1 million abortions while receiving $1.7 billion in federal funding. This is an average of over $592 million every year.
American taxpayer dollars must not be used to kill innocent, unborn babies. It's a very important thing.
Regardless of your opinion on abortion, hard-earned taxpayer dollars should not be going to subsidize Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is an extension of the Democrat Party.
Planned Parenthood runs ads against Donald Trump. Planned Parenthood did get out the vote against Donald Trump, and we are subsidizing that with our taxpayer dollars.
By the way, we also are great partners with Preborn, which I am a donor to, which is a pro-life alternative to Planned Parenthood. So Planned Parenthood would say, oh, you know,

we do mammograms and all this other stuff. Well, if that's the case, then why can't we send all that money to pro-life clinics that do mammograms and they do ultrasounds that are not like a hub and spoke that comes out of the DNC hub? Why is it that we have to have $700 million funding our political opposition?

Outside of the moral issue that I have of funding abortion, that's not actually the most interesting part of this. The more interesting part is why is it that U.S.
taxpayers have to basically fund a Democrat super PAC? Planned Parenthood ran advertisements all across the country supporting Kamala Harris. They only support Democrats.
It's a major issue. And praise God for the courage of the Trump administration to stand up against Planned Parenthood.

Planned Parenthood likes to say that abortions are only 3% of the services they offer.

But money is fungible.

In theory, imagine if pro-life pregnancy crisis centers receive $700 million a year. That would be only fair, right? But of course not.
We are propping up a Democrat machine is what we are doing. and that money should be completely and totally cut.
By the way, it is against federal law, just so we are clear.

You are not allowed to use taxpayer dollars towards abortion.

They do it anyway because they say, oh, it covers our overhead. It helps cover some of our costs.
If this is so important to liberals, then go privately funded 100%. Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action don't get any federal funding.
It's very important to conservatives. So we have to go raise our own money.
You know, we are becoming one. This is a very interesting point.
Do you know that at Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action, we are becoming one of the biggest privately funded nonprofits in the country? We're already in like the top one of 1%, but we are in the top probably 100 of the biggest privately funded non-profits in the country. Hillsdale College, I think, is the biggest.
Cut the funding of Planned Parenthood. Stop funding your political opponents.
It's this sort of pseudo money laundering operation where taxpayer money goes to the Democrat party. Again, if Planned

Parenthood is doing such amazing work, then go raise money from all of your very loyal Democrat

donors. Don't take U.S.
Treasury money of $700 million a year to go do it. Defund Planned

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