The Signal Storm Grows Larger

Hey everyone, the Signal story continues. We read the actual new Signal chat and we float out the idea, was Signal compromised by the CIA? It's worthy of some examination.
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The signal situation continues. For those of you that have not been closely paying attention to the news over the weekend, there was a military strike against the Houthis in Yemen.
It is part of the ongoing Yemeni civil war, a Saudi proxy war. President Donald Trump authorized a military strike.
And now we have learned more and more about the background. This is an ongoing story, and it gets more and more suspicious and urgent the deeper we dive into it.
we have new signal text messages from the Atlantic. And of course, the big story is how did the editor in chief of the Atlantic magazine, the anti-Trump hoax peddling Atlantic magazine, how did he end up in a very private discussion with the Secretary of Defense, with the Director of National Intelligence.
How did that happen? Well, first, I want to read all the new text messages that we have. I want to read all of them piece by piece, and you can be the judge of whether or not this is war plans, attack plans.
So this is from Pete Hegseth. These are some new signal messages.
Team update. Time now.
1144 Eastern. Weather is favorable.
Just confirmed with CENTCOM. We are a go for mission launch.
1215 Eastern. F-18's launch.
First strike package. 1345 trigger-based.
F-18 first strike window starts. Target terrorist is at his known location, so should be on time.
Also, strike drones launch. Now let me just pause.
I'm going to say the obvious, that Jeffrey Goldberg being involved in this group chat, seeing this, had a little bit of a heads-up that a military strike was going to happen. Thankfully, this could have been a lot worse.
That it could have been somebody that would have live tweeted and potentially thwarted a military operation. Thankfully, that did not happen.
1410, more F-18s launch, second strike package. 1415, strike drones on target.
This is when the first bombs will definitely drop, pending earlier trigger-based targets. 15-36, F-18, second strike starts.
Also, first, and that message cuts off. Michael Waltz writes in the group chat.
He continues. Team, you should have a statement of conclusions with taskings per the president's guidance this morning in your high side inboxes.
State and DOD, we developed suggested notification lists for regional allies and partners. Joint staff is sending this AM a more specific sequence of events in the coming days, and we will work with DOD to ensure chief of staff, the office of the vice president, and POTUS are briefed.
J.D. Vance responds here.
Team, I am out for the day doing an economic event in Michigan, but I think we are making a mistake. 3% of U.S.
trade runs through the Suez. 40% of the European trade does.
This is a real risk if the public doesn't understand this or why it's necessary. The strongest reason to do this, as POTUS said, is to send a message.
But I'm not sure the president is aware how inconsistent this is with the message on Europe right now. There's a further risk that we see a moderate to severe spike in oil prices.
I'm willing to support the consensus of the team and keep these concerns to myself. But there's a strong argument for delaying this a month, doing the messaging work on why this matters, seeing where the economy is, etc.
Pete Hegseth responds, but we can easily pause, and if we do, I will do all we can to enforce 100% OPSEC, operational security. I welcome other thoughts.
Michael Waltz responds to J.D. Vance and says, the trade figures we have are 15% of global and 30% of container.
It's difficult to break down to the United States specifically because much of the container either going through the Red Sea still or around the Cape of Good Hope are components going to Europe that turns into manufactured goods for transatlantic trade to the United States. whether we pull the plug or not today European navies do not have the capacity capability to defend

against the types of sophisticated anti-ship cruise missiles and drones the Houthis are now using. So whether it's now or several weeks from now, it'll have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes.
Per the president's request, we are working with DOD and state to determine how to compile the costs associated and levy them on the Europeans. Michael Waltz then added Stephen Miller to the chat.
Very important. We only have evidence of Michael Waltz adding people to the chat.
As we stated in the first PC, we have a fundamental decision of allowing the sea lanes to remain closed or to reopen them now or later. We are the only ones with capability, unfortunately.
From a messaging standpoint, we absolutely add this to the horribles on why the Europeans must invest in their own defense. The last of the chat that we have from the Atlantic continues from Joe Kent.
There's nothing time sensitive driving this timeline. We'll have the exact same options in a month.
The Israelis will likely take strikes and therefore ask us for more support to replenish whatever they use against the Houthis. But that's a minor factor.
I will send you the unclassified data we pulled on BAM shipping. John Ratcliffe then chimes in.
From the CIA perspective, we are mobilizing assets to support now, but a delay would not negatively impact us or additional time would be used to identify better starting points for coverage on Houthi's leadership. Pete Hegseth says, quote, Vice President J.D., I understand your concerns and fully support you raising with POTUS important considerations, most of which are tough to know how they play out economy, Ukraine, peace, Gaza, etc.
I think messaging is going to be tough no matter what, no matter who knows, nobody knows who the Houthis are, which is why we would need to stay focused on Biden failed and Iran funded. Waiting a few weeks or a month does not fundamentally change the calculus.
Two immediate risks on waiting. One, this leaks and we look indecisive.

Two, Israel takes action first.

Or Gaza ceasefire falls apart.

And we don't get to start this on our own terms.

We can manage both.

We are prepared to execute.

And if I had a final go or no go vote, I believe we should.

This is not about the Houthis.

I see it as two things.

Restoring freedom of navigation, a core national interest. and reestablishing deterrence, which Biden cratered.
Okay, that is the latest messages out of the Atlantic. The Atlantic never should have had eyes on this.
And we are still trying to figure out exactly how on earth this occurred. And I want to reiterate what I said yesterday on the program.
Behind the curtain, we see a robust open debate. We see that J.D.
Vance is actually America First behind closed doors as he is in public. That is refreshing.
That is authentic. That is a good thing to see.
But it does leave us with a more fundamental question. How did this happen? Because now this is the number one news story in the country.
The Democrats are pouncing. They're doing everything they possibly can.
And it could have been a heck of a lot worse. This could have been really, really bad.
How did Jeffrey Goldberg get added to a private government signal chat? Well, here is what we know. We know that Mike Waltz was the

admin of the group chat. Now, for example, I text a lot of people on Signal.
I use Signal a lot. The thing about Signal is that when you text somebody, so for example, let's just say my wife, If I were to put E into my Signal group or Signal new message, she is the first contact.
Why? Because I message her a lot on Signal. For example, if I want to message another one of my friends that I message on Signal, let's say Mike Davis, who I message a lot on Signal.
Mike Davis comes up as the first contact. Meaning, when you type in a letter, whether it be J for Jeffrey Goldberg, you had to have had established contact with that person in order for that contact to come up first.
In order for this to have been a mistake that Mike Waltz made, he would have to have a lot of contact with Jeffrey Goldberg, enough so much that it populated as the first contact to be added on Signal. And Mike Waltz is the admin of this chat.
We're going to play a piece of tape, though, because either Mike Waltz is completely lying or Signal is compromised. Those are the only two options.
Either Mike Waltz, he denies knowing him, says I never talked to him, or Signal is compromised by the Central Intelligence Agency. And of all people, they gave the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic access.
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Great people. So yesterday, Mike Waltz then went on Laura Ingram, and he is flat out denying knowing Jeffrey Goldberg, adding Jeffrey Goldberg, saying a staffer didn't add it.
So if Mike Waltz is to be believed, which is obviously conceivable, then Signal has been compromised. Again, I think that's an unlikely scenario, but it's possible.
I mean, it was loaded on government devices. There has been chatter for years in the intel community.
There's been long rumored that Signal has to have intelligent links to the CIA and so on. Every tech has a backdoor.
Again, we are in a binary. Either Signal has been compromised by the CIA, which is totally possible, or Mike Waltz's line.
These are tough clips to watch. These are flat-out denials.
This makes it a bigger story. Now, it is possible.
I give this a low probability. It is possible that we could be looking at a Russiagate 2.0.
It's very possible. I still give that a low probability, but we could be seeing a serious intel scandal here.
And you think about it. Trump has had a good couple months.
They're trying to slow down the administration. What is a perfect way to find yourself to be able to view war plans? Well, a group chat.
You don't recognize every number. How did you get added? But there's still a lot that doesn't make sense.
Why would you then add the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic? On the other side, he is kind of an intel guy. He's a super neocon.
I'm still going with the more plausible explanation. What is that? Occam's razor where the more boring explanation is almost always correct.
That's Occam's razor. I tend to yield towards that, which is that somebody added him that did not mean to add him.
And the admin of the chat was Mike Waltz. Let's go through these pieces of tape.
This is 228. Mike Waltz saying never met Goldberg, couldn't pick him out of a police lineup.
That's quite a statement. Play cut 228.
But you've never so you've never met Goldberg. He's out there saying you guys have met in the past, but you never met him.
No idea. Wouldn't know if I bumped into him, if I saw him in a police lineup.
Do now. Knew him by reputation about lying for lying about the president over and over again.
What I can tell you for certain certainly wasn't reaching out or talking to him at all. Why would I? So this doesn't need to be done publicly, but this is very simple.
The president or anybody in the president's team should say, okay, Mike, give me your phone. Right now, give me your device.
You could solve this whole thing in like 20 seconds. Give me your device.
Go to Signal and see if Jeffrey Goldberg is a contact. It's so simple.
If Jeffrey Goldberg is not a contact, Mike Waltz could have deleted it, but then all of a sudden you have a real issue. All of a sudden you have a deeper intel operation that's going on here.
And understand you could then see, You could look at his call log, you could see has he called him. If Mike Waltz doesn't have any contact with Jeffrey Goldberg in his phone, if you assume control of it, now you have potentially the intel agencies that Ratcliffe is supposed to be overseeing right now, creating a backdoor into private government communications and then giving the Atlantic that information.
I still give that a very low probability. This is 229 Mike Waltz saying he spoke to Elon and said tech experts are going to figure this out.
229. We're going to get to the bottom of it.
We've have I just talked to Elon on the way here. We've got the best technical minds looking at how this happened.
But I can tell you, I can tell you for 100 percent. I don't know this guy.
I know him by his horrible reputation. And he really is the bottom scum of journalists.
And I know him in the sense that he hates the president. But I don't text him.
He wasn't on my phone. That's a flat out denial.
Again, we are living in one of two scenarios. Mike Waltz is lying or the Intel community got a backdoor into signal.
This is 2.30. Mike Waltz says he put the group chat together and then suggests that they are looking to see if Jeffrey Goldberg somehow hacked into his phone and replace the contact label JG with his own number.
Jeffrey Goldberg would not have done this. This would be an intel operation.
Play cut 230. I built the group.
My job is to make sure everything's coordinated. I mean, I don't mean to be pedantic here, but how did the number? Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name and then you have have and then you have somebody else's number there.
Those mistakes. Right.
You've got somebody else's number on someone else's contact. So, of course, I didn't see this loser in the group.
It looked like someone else. Now, whether he did it deliberately or it happened in some other technical mean is something we're trying to figure out.
I'll be honest. This is a weird thing to lie about.
I'm pausing because why wouldn't you just say, look, I've been in Washington for 10 years and of course I talk to reporters. We should not dismiss the idea the CIA is trying to thwart this presidency.
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Speaker, thank you for taking the time. Mr.
Speaker, how are you processing and thinking about this signal story and the strange and bizarre development that the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic found himself in a private military group chat? Mr. Speaker.
Well, I mean, I think there are two different parts to that. One is, you said it just right, the strange and bizarre fact that of all the people who might have ended up in there, one of the most anti-Trump journalists from an anti-Trump magazine happened to be the guy there.
I think that's so weird, you wouldn't have put it into a novel. The other fact is, they probably shouldn't have those kinds of discussions on signal.
Uh, when I was speaker, we, uh, routinely use the most powerful security systems. We had somebody who would come to me wherever I was carrying a secure phone so I could talk to the president, uh, on a line that the Chinese and the Russians couldn't possibly hack.
So at one level, I would say there's an underlying lesson here that's important, and that is that they need to tighten up their own security provisions just in general, not because of the Atlantic Monthly, but because of the Chinese and the Russians and the North Koreans, all of whom are very good at hacking into things.

The other is, my advice to them is get on, just get it over with.

This is not an issue that helps Donald Trump at all to sit around and wallow in it.

A mistake was made.

We don't fully know why the mistake was made.

The best thing they can say is we're looking into it,

and when we understand it, we'll report to you. But until then, we have nothing more to say and just move on.
What the left loves, they found something where they can pick at the Trump team and pick at the Trump team. And people will have different answers because they have different memories.
They come from different places. And then each contradiction will become its own story.
And the left would like to do nothing more than hide from the underlying realities of what Trump is doing to fundamentally get America back on track. And if they can find some story, any story that lets them avoid covering the successful things, they're going to go there.
So the best thing that the Trump team can do, in my judgment, is just shut up. Say, we understand it was a mistake.
Clearly it was a mistake. We have an investigation underway.
And when we know enough, we will report to you. But until then, we have nothing more to say.
Just move on. Yeah, I tend to agree with that.
I do think, though, that privately there needs to be some understanding of how he ended up in this group chat. I mean, it should be a real investigation.
Yes. Okay.
They should assign somebody competent with whatever team they need to find out, one, why were they using Signal? Two, who put the chat together? Three, how did this particular person end up on the chat? And four, why did they have a procedure which didn't surface this person the minute they were on the chat? All those things need to be done. But I think that's clearly important for the country and for the next three and a half years of the Trump administration.
But there's no point in trying to do that out in public until you know something. And frankly, it should be real.
It should be serious. You know, they shouldn't just cover it up.
They should methodically, seriously understand what happened, share with the American people what they're going to do to fix it in the future, and move on. But wallowing in it and getting involved in who said what to who, you know, and did you really put it on? Did your staff person put it on? How did it get there? That kind of stuff the media loves.
It gives them something to talk about that doesn't help Trump. But first of all, the average American will get tired of it pretty quickly.
And I think the things that Trump is doing and the things that the House and Senate Republicans are doing are so big, so historic that we want to get back to communicating those. So the I completely agree.
And this is probably the first hiccup or glitch of what has been a flawless two months. That's right.
Speak about that, because the president is best on offense, offense, not taking the terms of the media. Right.
And Trump understands this instinctively. That's why he said it was a glitch and he was going back on offense.
And then unfortunately, several of his team went up and testified in the Hill and didn't quite have their act together. And I think that's where you want to have a single sentence or two sentence answer that basically explains why you're not explaining until you know what you're going to say, which they clearly don't currently know.
But Trump has had an astonishing run. From everything we're seeing right now, he's likely to continue to have an astonishing run.
And you look just at what they've done on the border. I mean, in my wildest days, I would never have thought you could control the border that quickly.
And it was just literally overnight. Everything Biden had done collapsed.
People around the world figured out they're not going to get in. Illegal immigration has literally collapsed.
The amount of investments being announced in the United States are breathtaking. So you have a lot of good things happening.
And frankly, the fight over the shape and structure of the federal bureaucracy is a fight that people know we have to have. In our project that you know about, Charlie, the America's New Majority Project, our polling last month indicated that 82% of the country think that Washington is corrupt, and they think that it makes it harder to solve things because it's corrupt.
So if the president will go out there and be the advocate of honest, clear reform, and if that's the basic theme that Elon Musk and Doge take, they're going to have huge popular support for fixing this thing. And people are going to accept that there's going to be some turmoil, there's going to be some confusion, but that unbalance is really a good thing.
And there is widespread popular support. I want to play a piece of tape here.
We played this prior in the week. Ezra Klein sitting down with David Shore from the New York Times.
Ezra Klein is like the chief explainer of data for the left, a smart guy, but terribly wrong on the issues. And he's trying to understand how is it? And this is I would love to get your take on this.
White men over 75 actually supported Kamala Harris at a significantly higher rate than white men who are 20 years old.

This is a generational realignment that we're living through.

Let's play cut 75, please.

One of the things you can see here is if you just look at 18 year olds, 18 year old women of color are the only of the four that actually voted that Harris won.

Trump narrowly won, you know, non-white men. So I do find this part of this chart shocking.
I sometimes talk about narrative violations. And I think if we knew anything about Donald Trump eight years ago, it's that young people did not like him.
But if you look at this chart among white men who were 75 years old, supported Kamala Harris at a significantly higher rate than white men who are 20 years old. That's exactly right.
That's a real shift. It is a real shift.
This is the thing I am the most shocked by, I think, in the last four years, is that young people have gone from being the most progressive generation since the baby boomers, and maybe in some ways more so, to becoming potentially the most conservative. What is going on, Mr.
Speaker? Well, I mean, first of all, the left failed. You know, you're a young person, you're out there, you're thinking, what can I do? Can I afford to buy a car? Can I afford to buy a house? Can I find a job? Do I think the future is going to get better? And under Biden and Harris, every signal to young people was that their lives were going to be poorer, more miserable, with fewer choices than their parents.
And so at one level, they're saying this isn't working. Second, I think that there's a common sense when you get into some of the weirder issues

that should men compete in women's sports, for example, I think there's a common sense view among younger Americans that this is just stupid. Why would you, in fact, even think that this makes any sense? And so they haven't been brainwashed enough to believe in things that aren't believable.
and they're faced with a Bernie Sanders AOC Democratic Party,

which is still moving to the left, despite all the election evidence and everything else we've seen. And I think that that means that younger people, plus I think younger people have a deeper sense of how really corrupt and out of touch the government is and that it really needs profound change.
And where the Democrat Party does not seem to want to moderate themselves, they seem to want to double and even triple down on their wildly unpopular views. I mean, Jasmine Crockett.
Yeah, please go ahead. I was going to say, I actually think there are two wings of the Democratic Party, and I think you're likely to see the beginning of sort of a civil war between those two wings.
If you watch what happened with Schumer, the Senate Democratic leader, he finally decided as a practical matter that he didn't believe the Democrats ought to be the party that closed government. So from the standpoint of the left, he sold out.
Now, he took about 10 senators with him, and they're now facing really angry crowds back home. And so what you have is the people who are trying to accommodate reality are being isolated from, if you look at the AOC Bernie Sanders roadshow, they're getting huge crowds.
So the intensity of the hard left, which is doubling and tripling down, is growing, while the people in the middle who know that this is not going to work are finding themselves squeezed by the reality that the energy and the money and the drive in the Democratic Party is all on the hard left, and that if you try to be rational and moderate, you're almost certainly going to risk a primary campaign and may well get defeated in the primary because you'll be seen as a sellout. It's exactly what happened to the Republicans under Franklin Roosevelt in the 1930s, and that's part of why the New Deal became the dominant coalition for 90 years, because the Republicans just shattered and couldn't figure out what to do.
And Trump has done everything right to be a coalition builder in the tradition of Jefferson and Lincoln and Roosevelt. and he continues to both deliver things people want and to define his opponents and to set up the kind of fights where his opponents rush in to just be mildly crazy.
And you started to mention the woman who I hope they're going to censure this week because as a congresswoman, she has said things. Jasmine Davy Crockett.
Yep, that's right. Oh, yeah.
I mean, the things she's been saying are so vicious. And we do have this problem right now that you have a very substantial militant group on the left who are willing to burn cars, firebomb dealerships, talk about getting Elon Musk, talk about other kind of things that involve violence.
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Well, listen, the biggest project we've got is the America's New Majority Project, which they can see at that title. And then I have a new book coming out this summer called Trump's Triumph, which lays out both how he won, but also what it means for the future of America and the great things we can accomplish.
And as always, Charlie, it's great to be with you. You were a major factor in the victory last year, and you're going to be a major factor in winning this cultural fight over the future of America.
Well, thank you. I deeply appreciate that, and we appreciate it.
And that is the most important thing we're focusing on, is the cultural fight. We've seen a movement with young people, and if we can give some permanency to that, boy, things are not going to be very hopeful for the Democrat Party.
It would change everything. That's right.
It would change it fundamentally. It would change America and then that'll change the world.
That's right. So, Mr.
Speaker, I don't have the tape handy, but I will do my best to paraphrase it. President Trump actually won immigrants.
That's right. Immigrant voters in the battleground states, something that completely

blows the mind of Democrat strategists. How do you explain that, that Donald Trump, who's been positioned as anti-immigrant and xenophobic and all that, won the immigrant vote in the seven battleground states, Mr.
Speaker? Well, you know, Coles and I did a documentary that was on PBS called Journey to America.

And we took nine people who came here legally

and who made America a better country. Because you want to make the point that while we're against illegal immigration, that legal immigration often makes America stronger.
I think everybody I talk to who's a legal immigrant is really angry at the idea that people just plain broke the law. They didn't wait in line.
They didn't obey the rules. They are, in effect, in their minds, illegitimate.
And they don't want that rewarded. Furthermore, a lot of people who came here from countries that have dangerous gangs like Venezuela and El Salvador really don't want the gangs here.
That's part of why they were attracted to America. So I think the left has always misunderstood the nature of legal immigration in America.
And the fact that, for example, when you deal with most Latinos, you're dealing with people who are very often devout Christians or Catholics or Pentecostals or fundamentalists, but very, very Christian, believe in very traditional values. You go talk to them about having boys engaged in girls' sports, they think you're just nuts.
You go talk to them about the importance of welfare, they think you're crazy. They think people should work.
And we've done a ton of polling at the America's New Majority Project. And every time we poll it, people believe

that everybody who gets money from the federal government should work, unless you have a severe

disability. And they believe that people who are able-bodied and take money without working

are committing fraud. So nobody on the left understands these things.
That's why Trump

going to McDonald's was an active genius, because 87% of Americans go to McDonald's every year. 40 million people have worked at McDonald's, including Jeff Bezos.
And on the left, of course, they used to say, you don't want to take some hamburger flipping job. And of course, on the left, they don't serve Chablis at McDonald's.
They don't serve French food. It's a hard experience.
So Trump understood where the American people were. Nobody on the hard left has a clue where the American people are.
And they have kind of an elite snobbishness that just puts them totally out of sync with the American people. If you were to develop a battle plan for the Republican caucus for this midterm election, what would that be? Midterms are goofy.
You've had a lot of success in midterm cycles before. How would you develop the messaging and the strategy coming into 2026? I would say three things.
One, work as a team. You're now the governing party, so you have to work together.
You have to find good reasons to vote yes. When you're the opposition party, you find good reasons to vote no.
Well, that ain't your role now. Your role is to be a team, to work together.
Number one. Number two, you have to pass the tax cut bill and the deregulation bill, ideally by May, no later than mid-June, because it has to be in effect in time for the economy next year to be taking off and for people to say, you know, Trump's delivered.
I feel better. I have more money in my pocket.
I want to keep it going. And three, I think the key issue next year is going to be a very simple question.
Is it working? If they decide it is working, and certainly we have right now one of the highest right track numbers on polling that we've seen in decades. If they decide this is all working, they're going to reelect the Republicans.
The Democrats are going to shrink to being a tiny minority. And we have a real chance, I think, to make America great again and to create that golden age that Trump has talked about.
Very well said, Mr. Speaker, thank you.
And just remind our audience of the website the way that they can support you. Well, they can find everything I do, three podcasts that are free, three newsletters, books and things at Gingrich360.com.
Wonderful. Thank you, Mr.
Speaker, for your time. God bless you.
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