Who Really Killed JFK? ft. Roger Stone

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So we were waiting, we were waiting, we were waiting, we're waiting for the JFK files, 80,000 of them. And no, I did not read all 80,000 of them, but our next guest already knows all of them by heart and can tell you what's really going on here.
For the full hour, we have the legendary Roger Stone, and we're going to take our time here and go through what have we learned from the files, what do we know, and the truth about who killed John Fitzgerald Kennedy. With us is Roger Stone.
Roger, welcome to the program.ly. It's great to be with you.
Before we start, once again, I want to commend you and Turning Point USA for the crucial role you played in the greatest comeback in American political history, the smashing victory of President Donald Trump. Well, thank you, Roger.
It was a team effort and thank you for never leaving the president's side and for fighting, fighting, fighting all the way through. So, Roger, let's start with the most immediate news and then we can kind of go back in time.
What did we learn from this JFK file dump? I think the one thing we learned is that the Central Intelligence Agency has dissembled in the past about their knowledge

of Lee Harvey Oswald, at least his existence. We've learned that they knew he was not a good shot.
I don't believe that he is the shooter from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building. But again, these documents have been in government hands for 62 plus years.
In other words, plenty of time to sanitize them. A number of congressmen like Tim Burschett from Tennessee suggested early on that the president broaden his disclosure order to include every agency,

not narrow it to the Kennedy assassination documents archive that is controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency. So we don't know if what we have seen is complete, but what we do know is what we've seen so far is inconclusive, other than to say it does confirm that the Central Intelligence Agency had far earlier knowledge of Oswald, and the documents we've seen so far tend to seek to reinforce what I still believe is a false narrative that Oswald shot Kennedy.
If Lee Harvey Oswald shot John Kennedy and he used a $26 World War II vintage Italian Army carbine, why does he have no powder burns on his chest or his arms or his hands, according to the test by the Dallas Police Department. So let's just stay focused on the jail.
And by the way, I sympathize you 100%. I've always subscribed that this hot Oswald thing is nonsense.
I think there were more than one shooter, but I want to get into that eventually. But just on the files, has, and I know this is a silly question, has anyone actually gone through all of them as of our conversation now, Roger? I mean, it's so much.
It's so expansive. Has someone now finally thoroughly read all of them? Other than to say that you can find a grok analysis of it, I think the answer is no.
Also, the search capability is limited. So in other words, if you search by certain terms, it won't work.

I don't know a single person who has read all 80,000 documents. In fact, all 80,000 documents haven't even yet been uploaded.
It was interesting that late in the day, the day of disclosure, the day these were released, there were reports that the Department of Justice was going to delay the release based on purposes of national security. And then I was glad to see that Tulsi Gabbard, keeping the president's promise, announced when the documents could be seen both online and you can go to the National Archives and see them in person.
You've got to make an appointment, I believe, but for any American to see. So the president has kept his promise.
But what we don't know is whether what is going to be released ultimately, all 80,000, is in fact complete. I don't think any conclusion can be drawn based on what we have seen other than the agency's knowledge regarding Oswald starts far earlier than they say.
Remember, Charlie, that the law mandating the release of these documents was passed in 1994. The date set was 2017.
At that time, President Trump released about 80% of the documents. And we learned of some amazing things there.
For example, We had the 1099 from the IRS to Lee Harvey Oswald for his time working for the FBI as an informant.

For example, we had a memo from J. Edgar Hoover, then the head of the FBI, to President Lyndon Johnson saying that the KGB, the Russian intelligence agency,

had conducted their own independent investigation into Kennedy's assassination. And they had concluded, as I did in my 2013 book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ,

that Johnson was complicit in Kennedy's assassination. So President Trump already

released a number of really compelling and interesting documents way back in 2017. He did release all of them that time because Mike Pompeo, the CIA director, asked that 20 percent of the documents be held back.
Those are the documents that we are seeing now and which we will see more of shortly. So, yeah, it's so just so our audience understands that they're still all being uploaded in real time.
Is that correct that this is a process? That is that is correct. So all 80,000 are not out there.
Therefore, it's impossible to make a total judgment. There's a number of questions and I've've been posting them, that just remain unanswered.

And it doesn't appear that we're going to get answers out of these documents.

So do you think that there will be any documents that will prove your hypothesis

connecting it to LBJ? And if so, what would that even look like?

No, because I think actually the documentation of that is already established. For example, on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building, we find the fingerprints of a man named Malcolm Mack Wallace.
They're on both the window encasement and they're on the cardboard boxes that form the crow's nest from which the shooter allegedly shot. We know that they are Wallace's fingerprints because Wallace was arrested for first degree murder and tried and convicted in 1951.
He shot and killed a man named John Douglas Kinzer, who was blackmailing Lyndon Johnson. He was also an employee of the U.S.
Agriculture Department in a patronage job arranged for him by, well, Senator Lyndon Johnson. We also know that six people saw a man in the window of the Texas School Book Depository building who met the

physical description of Wallace, middle-aged, heavy set, balding with glasses. Six different witnesses see a man who meets that description, not the description of Lee Harvey Oswald.
And then, as you may know, just weeks ago, Alex Jones released an audio tape that came from the grandson of Billy Sal Estes. Billy Sal Estes was a flamboyant Texas Wheeler dealer.
There's Malcolm Wallace, who was a crony of Johnson's, went to prison for corruption. But the grandson released an audio tape that is a conversation between Billy Solestus and Cliff Carter.
Cliff Carter was the chief political operative for Lyndon Johnson, executive director of the Democrat National Committee in the 60s, in which they openly discussed the fact that Johnson had hired Wallace to shoot President John Kennedy. So it is my assertion that Johnson portion of this is pretty well proven.
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As you know, Charlie, the motivation for me to write my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, which, by the way, nothing we've seen so far distracts from or contradicts my conclusion that the CIA is among those involved in the murder of Kennedy. But I was working for former President Richard Nixon in his post-presidential years.

I've been brought in to work on his schedule and do occasional political chores for him. And he was, as you know, liked a good martini.
He was enormously prospective and not very retrospective. In other words, it was very hard to get him to talk about the past, about his relationship and friendship with John Kennedy or Dwight Eisenhower or Nikita Khrushchev or any of the high points and low points of his career.
But after a couple of cocktails, he would open up a bit. And it was on one of those occasions that I said, Mr.
President, can I ask you a question? He said, sure. I said, who really killed John Kennedy? And he stared into his martini for a few minutes.
He looked up at me and he said, well, let me say this. The Warren Commission was the biggest goddamn hoax in history.
So I'm sorry, sir. I don't understand.
What are you saying? So let me put it to this way. Lyndon and I both wanted to be president, but I wasn't willing to kill for it.
And it was that that motivated me to go into five years of research to write my book, in which I concluded that Johnson, who as the Senate majority leader, took the very unusual step of appointing himself to the subcommittee of defense appropriations in the Senate, where the CIA's budget was secretly prepared, their black box budget. So Johnson was the paymaster for the CIA.
Johnson had also been receiving bribes from Carlos Marcello, the gangster who ran gambling in Texas and Louisiana. And interestingly enough, the man who passed those bribes to LBJ, a man named Jack Howfer, got a presidential pardon two days after Lyndon Johnson became president.
He had been convicted on some unrelated charge. Johnson also obviously was the water carrier for Big Texas Oil.
So I believe all of those entities had their own interests in the removal of John Kennedy. In the case of the Central Intelligence Agency, which is the focus of most of these disclosures, there were two really, two problems.
One, the Bay of Pigs, which was the focus of most of these disclosures, there were two really two problems. One, the Bay of Pigs, which was the invasion of Cuba by the United States that was designed to look like an indigenous Cuban uprising.
Now, the plan, which was born under Eisenhower in a working group headed by Vice President Richard Nixon, included air cover for the men storming the beaches that was supposed to be supplied by 29 Panamanian-flagged fighter jets piloted by Cuban pilots. For reasons we do not know, the CIA canceled that the day before the invasion.
Consequently, the invasion was a fiasco. The men storming the beaches in Cuba at the Bay of Pigs were cut to ribbons.
Curtis LeMay, the head of the U.S. Air Force, at that point the Joint Chiefs, went to JFK and said the only way to save the day here is to send in the U.S.
Air Force. Kennedy refused because that would have exposed that this was a U.S.-sponsored operation.
The CIA blamed Kennedy. Kennedy blamed the CIA.
And then there's a Cuban Missile Crisis. We've been told that brave Jack and Bobby Kennedy faced down Nikita Khrushchev, who withdrew the missiles that he had stationed in Cuba 90 miles off our shore.
But Charlie, that's not true. 40 years later, when documents were declassified, we learned what the military knew in real time, which was we removed our NATO missiles from Italy and Turkey in return for an agreement with Khrushchev to remove the missiles from Cuba.
But that agreement had no on-site inspection. So there was deep distrust between the CIA and President Kennedy and therefore a motive.
We also know, and this can be quite well documented, that the intelligence services and the Secret Service had learned that John Kennedy had become addicted to methamphetamine. He was seeing Dr.
Max Jacobson of New York, who was known also as Dr. Feelgood.
Dr. Jacobson was attending many of the beautiful people of the day, Frank Sinatra, the opera singer Maria Calais, Pablo Casals, Leonard Bernstein, Nelson Rockefeller.
And he was injecting them with what they were told was a proprietary blend of vitamins and enzymes that would lift their energy. In fact, it was an early proprietary blend of methamphetamine.
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What I'm trying to do here, Charlie, is to demonstrate the motive of everyone who I believe is involved in Kennedy's assassination. So to wrap that up, the Central Intelligence AC is angry about what they think is the mishandling of the Bay of Pigs, the mishandling of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and their concern about John Kennedy being attended by Dr.
Max Jacobson. If you look at the manifest of those who traveled to Vienna for the summit conference with Khrushchev, you'll find Dr.
Jacobson on that manifest. And in fact, he writes extensively in his own book about injecting John F.
Kennedy with this proprietary blend of methamphetamine prior to his meeting with Khrushchev. So we've established the Central Intelligence Agency's motive, a lot of which I think is being confirmed in these documents.
And then, of course, there's Big Texas Oil. Kennedy wants to repeal the oil depletion allowance.
There's just so many unanswered questions. For example, Malcolm Kilduff, the deputy press secretary for John Kennedy, the man who announces to the press that Kennedy is dead, historic recording.
He says in his memoirs that he's on the elevator with the new president, Lyndon Johnson, immediately after Johnson has assumed the presidency. And he says to him, Mr.
President, who would do something so horrible? Who would kill our president? And Johnson says it was a communist son. He says, what kind of communist, Mr.
President? He said, it was a Russian communist son. There's only one problem.
Lee Harvey Oswald has not yet been apprehended. Another point, the FBI under Jared Goover puts out a telex to all of the station chiefs in the United States saying that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Russian communist, has been apprehended.
But the telex goes out before Oswald has actually been arrested in the theater in Dallas. Another unanswered question.
So, Roger, just in the interest of time, I do have a question, though. So you were close to Richard Nixon.
If Richard Nixon believed this, which I'm not doubting your story, why didn't he then go public with it during Watergate or in his post-presidency? Because it very well could have helped him while he was being transitioned into political exile. You know, our mutual friend Tucker Carlson, I think, actually illustrated this point.

Very recently, he played an audio tape that is a conversation between Richard Nixon and the CIA director, Richard Helms, in which he's beginning to pressure Helms for help from the CIA in the encroaching Watergate scandal. And he confronts him and says, you know, a lot of dirty business went on over there at the agency.
A lot of things were covered up. And Helms plays dumb and says, I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about, Mr.
President. And Nixon says it right out loud.
He says, let me put it this way. I know who shot John.
So the answer to your question, Charlie, is I believe based on that recording and also on an interview I did with General Alexander Haig, Nixon's last chief of staff, that Nixon leveraged his knowledge of Kennedy's assassination and the government's duplicity in it for the pardon. And as reported by the New York times, Gerald Ford, later president, but at that time a member of the Warren Commission, at the direction of J.
Edgar Hoover, the head of the FBI, actually takes the autopsy diagram from Kennedy's doctor, erases the markings that show a wound in Kennedy's upper back and moves it to his lower neck, rear neck, to accommodate the so-called single bullet theory. When the New York Times asks President Ford, then a former president, why he did this, he said, well, the country needed closure.
He didn't say the country needed truth. He said the country needed closure.
So I believe Nixon actually leveraged this knowledge, leveraged this information. General Hague told me Nixon had them by the short hairs and he told them if I'm going down, I'm taking everyone with me.
So so, Roger, let's now go through the events on the day that JFK was shot. What happened that day specifically that was suspicious out of the ordinary? And what in the cover up or the investigation made people believe that there was something here that was less than desirable? Well, let's remember, Kennedy is supposed to be going from the airport to the merchandise, Dice Mart outside of Dallas, neither one of which is in the city limits.
It is John Connolly, then governor of Texas, who insists that the motorcade route go through Dealey Plaza. So why did they even go into the city to come back out of the city? And Jerry Bruno, who is the chief advance man for John F.
Kennedy, records in his book that he objected to the motorcade route because it would have required and did require the presidential limousine to come to a full stop, a stop sign, which of course is what made Kennedy a target. Connolly insists that if they don't take the motorcade route as demanded by the governor of Texas, that the entire trip will be scheduled.
Secondarily, all of the buildings on both sides of Dealey Plaza are supposed to be searched, emptied, and sealed. They aren't.
There's supposed to be multiple plainclothes secret service agents throughout the crowd. There aren't.
There's supposed to be three motorcycle officers, each abreast of the presidential limousine on each side. Not only are there not six motorcycle cops, there's one, and he's directed to ride behind the presidential limousine.
And then, of course, there is the question of Lyndon Johnson. The vice presidential limousine is riding two car lengths behind the presidential limousine.
But if you look at newsreel footage and still camera footage, what you see in the succession of photos is Ralph Yarborough, the senator from Texas, arch enemy of Lyndon Johnson, Lady Bird Johnson, and Senator Johnson, or Vice President Johnson. And then in the next image, Johnson is missing.
That's because he hits the deck prior to the first shot being heard. Now, Rufus Youngblood, who is a Secret Service agent assigned to Johnson, testifies to the Warren Commission that upon hearing the first shot, he pushed Johnson to the floor.
After Johnson's death, Youngblood recants and says, well, no, that's not actually what happened. That's what I was told to say.
But that Johnson hit the deck and was talking into a small radio or walkie talkie prior to the first shot being fired. All of those anomalies raise suspicions about what happened that day.
In fact, it was Johnson who convinced Kennedy to visit Texas. The purpose of this was to bind up a division between the more conservative Bourbon wing of the Texas Democrat Party and the more progressive liberal wing as headed by Senator Yarbrough.
According to Jackie Kennedy's memoirs, the night before, Johnson goes to President Kennedy's hotel room in Fort Worth and tries to change the motorcade arrangements to put Senator Yarbrough, his hated rival, in the death car with John Kennedy and move Governor Connolly to the vice presidential car. Kennedy refuses, saying it defeats the whole purpose of his trip to Dallas.
He's supposed to be seen with the head of the conservative wing of the party to try to unite the party for the 1964 election. Johnson pitches a fit.
Jackie Kennedy says to her husband, what's wrong with Lyndon? And JFK says, that's just Lyndon being Lyndon. So as you know, Connolly was wounded along with John Kennedy.
And from thence, the so-called single bullet theory was conjured up. In fact, this new documentary by Paramount Plus, What the Parkland Doctors Saw, you said at the beginning, Charlie, there are multiple shooters and the wounds the doctors saw in John Kennedy were consistent with his being shot from the front and the back.
None of this, of course, is reflected in any of the documents that have been released thus far. So let's let's remind the audience, though, the significance of this, because some 20 year old that might be watching the show, Roger, would say that's all terrible.
But so what? OK, let's say that there were two shooters. If there was more than one shooter, therefore, that means the government lied about it in the Warren Commission.
They actively covered it up. And therefore, it means definitionally it was a conspiracy.
Roger, do you believe in more than one shooter? If so, what do you think happened on the grassy knoll? There's at least two witnesses, one in the railroad tower, a second witness on the ground, who see a man on the fence line on the so-called grassy knoll. They see a puff of smoke from a gun.
They actually see the man drive up in a green Plymouth station wagon, remove a rifle from a rifle bag, shoot from the fence line. I believe that man was a paid assassin, a Corsican, who was working for organized crime.
I think that is one of two shooters. The other shooter we've already talked about, I believe it is Malcolm Wallace from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
Johnny Roselli, very famous gangster, rather flamboyant, insists that he was a shooter shooting from the sewer grate. So there's at least three shooters.
I think there may have been a fourth shooter in the Dow Tech's building, which is across from the Texas School Book Depository building. Six doctors, pardon me, 16 doctors record a blowout wound in the rear of Kennedy's head, meaning he had been hit from the front.
There's a wound about the size of a grapefruit in the back of Kennedy's head. By the time his body gets to the Bethesda Medical Center, and by the way, his body had to be removed at gunpoint by the Secret Service because Texas state law insists on an autopsy performed in Texas before the body can be released.
So they essentially snatch the body and they take it to Washington. Now, I believe it is possible that Kennedy's body actually left on Air Force Two, got to Bethesda Medical Center earlier than expected, that the coffin that that was on Air Force One may have been empty,

and that that wound is not recorded in Bethesda.

Really quick, yes or no question, Roger.

Didn't his head go missing?

His brain very definitely went missing.

That is indefable. Yes.
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What would you say to someone that still believes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and any one of us that believes that there's more to the story, that we're just being conspiracy wingnuts? Roger, your response. I'd ask them to look at the events of Butler, Pennsylvania.
I'd ask them to look at the events of West Palm Beach. The similarities are very Uh, just to take, let's take a Butler, for example.
Uh, we know that the secret service, the state police, uh, and the local police know for 92 minutes, there's a man who's been seen with a range finder and a gun within the perimeter, sealed perimeter of the president's event, but no one tells the president's direct security detail, and he's not evacuated, which is what the Secret Service manual would have required. We're told that the Secret Service, the state police, and the local police are all on different radio frequencies, so they can't communicate with each other.
In fact, local police see a man with a gun on the roof of a building earlier than the Secret Service, but they can't communicate that. We're told that Thomas Matthew Crooks is the man who shot President Trump from the roof of a building, but just as they hosed out the inside of JFK's limousine almost immediately, they hosed down the roof of the building where Crooks was shot and killed, presumably so there'd be no trace of his DNA.
I find all of these things troubling, and I think that there are more questions than there are answers, and I find that troubling in itself. Donald Trump poses an existential threat to the established order.
And now you look at the events in West Palm Beach, which are even more disturbing. How does this man, Ryan Routh, who is accused of trying to kill the president, we're told that he's indigent, behind in his rent payments, behind in his alimony payments.
How does he afford to fly to Kiev? How does he afford to fly to London, among other places he's been seen? How does he afford to post an online website recruiting mercenary soldiers to fight in Ukraine? How does he obtain the gun that he has with him on the ground in West Palm Beach, where the serial numbers have been filed off? Again, clear ties to the Ukrainians. So what happened in 1963, not dissimilar to what happened in the run-up to the presidential election, which is why every night when I say the rosary, when I pray the rosary, I pray for the protection of the president and his family first and foremost.
You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but there's already been two attempts on his life. Why would there not be a third? And I mean, that's dark and deep and true stuff.
Roger, unfortunately, you have been working on this for decades, I'm sure, frustratingly. Do you believe you're making progress, Roger, in informing the American people about the truth of how our government might have the ability to execute its own president? Well, I certainly pray that I do.
Charlie, I'm working on a book

on the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan. You know, the government has never produced a final report, but we know that John Hinckley Jr., the man accused and later incarcerated and recently released in the assassination attempt of Reagan, is always in front of Reagan, crouching, shooting upwards.
He gets off four shots. All four shots are accounted for.
None of them hit Reagan. Reagan was hit from above and behind.
This is indisputable. So I'm now in about chapter eight of what I think will be a 10 or 12 chapter book on that assassination.
I think that there's a timeline of history here, Charlie. I think the same dark forces, Eisenhower called them the military industrial complex.
We call them the deep state. The same forces who killed Kennedy, the same forces who removed Nixon for having the audacity of being for peace in a silent coup, the same forces that tried to kill Reagan, the same forces who tried to kill Trump, is this, in fact, this deep state, this globalist conspiracy of unelected bureaucrats and others that infect our national security apparatus, our military, the think tanks, the defense contractors.
And they are scared to death by the most improbable and I think successful president in our lifetimes. Well said.
Everyone check out Roger's book. One more time, say it, Roger.
The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ. You can get it by going to themanwhukilledkennedy.com.
Thanks, Roger. Talk to you soon.
Excellent work. Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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