FIRST LOOK EXCLUSIVE: Analyzing My Interview with Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 1 Lots of breaking news happening today, but we want to dive right into a very viral news story of my appearance on Gavin Newsom's podcast. So, just to be very clear,

Speaker 1 why Gavin Newsome is hosting a podcast is pretty evident. He wants to try to run to the middle and try to moderate ahead of the 2028 presidential race.

Speaker 1 I am the first guest, and we had quite the conversation. Challenged him on a lot of different issues.
Did not challenge him on everything I wanted to.

Speaker 1 Anything that comes to, this is kind of how it works. So, we'll go through a lot of the tape.
I thought I did fine. The team thought I did well.
And you guys will be the judge.

Speaker 1 Anything that has to do with California, it gets into basically a shouting match.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's like, you don't understand. I know better than you.
We're doing all these superfluous

Speaker 1 committees. And it just kind of gets deadlocked into a draw.
It gets hyper-emotional on anything related to a specific of California.

Speaker 1 The premise was that Governor Newsom wanted to have me on his program to learn from me and MAGA Faithful as to why they are getting their tail kicked.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we went into it. We went into homelessness.
We went into school closures. And the one that is making

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 most headlines is

Speaker 1 the issue of men in female sports. And I love debate.
I'll debate anybody at any time.

Speaker 1 And as far as if this is the best use of his time while people still do not have homes in the palisades,

Speaker 1 that is a good argument. Now, this is the longer clip.
Let's just start here

Speaker 1 around

Speaker 1 men and female sports. This is going very viral.
Gavin Newsom obviously knows which way the wind is blowing. Unless, of course, it's a wildfire in the Palisades.
Sorry, that's too soon.

Speaker 1 He always kind of knows the directional political energy.

Speaker 1 And this is

Speaker 1 our conversation around whether or not that biological men should be allowed in female sports. Play Cut 191.
You have an opportunity to

Speaker 1 run to the middle and see this man. Obviously, you're talking to me about people.
So you right now should come out and be like, you know what?

Speaker 1 The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports,

Speaker 1 that shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out and say no.

Speaker 3 No, and I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 But would you do something like that? Would you say no men in female sports?

Speaker 3 Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that.
It is an issue of fairness. It's deeply humble.

Speaker 1 Would you speak out against this young man named Baby Hernandez, who right now is going to win the state championship in the long term?

Speaker 1 I can see you wrestling with it.

Speaker 3 No, I'm not wrestling. I'm not wrestling with the fairness issue.
I totally agree with you. By the way, as someone with four kids, I think I'm going to take a look at...
Two daughters, right?

Speaker 3 Two daughters. I have a daughter too.

Speaker 3 And a wife that went, God forbid, to Stanford and played on the junior national soccer team and a guy who got into college only because I was left-handed and could throw a baseball a little bit or hit the ball for a little bit.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I revere sports. And so the issue of fairness is completely legit.
And I saw that the last couple of years, boy, did I saw how you guys were able to weaponize that issue at another level.

Speaker 1 Don't weaponize.

Speaker 3 Well, weaponized maybe pejorative, you're right. But you were able to

Speaker 3 highlight it in a way that, frankly,

Speaker 3 there are not that many. We're talking about, I think the NC2A, what, 510,000? No, no, but I just didn't realize.

Speaker 1 It's 890 medals and trophies that we know of in the last five years. That's a lot.

Speaker 3 No, so I'm going to, let me step back, say, completely fair on on the issue of fairness. I completely agree.
So that's easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's also a humility and a grace

Speaker 3 that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well.

Speaker 3 So both things I can hold in my hand. How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think you know is inherent in you, but not always expressed on the issue.
No, I get it.

Speaker 3 At the same time, deal deal with the uncertainty. So

Speaker 1 you asked a good faith question. Like, how do we Democrats get out of the wilderness? This one is an 80-20-ish.
New York Times poll, right?

Speaker 3 That's what I'm saying. No, I agree with you.
You're right. Crushed on you.

Speaker 1 And like, crushed. And you have an opportunity in the state to be like, look, I have a heart for A.D.
Hernandez. I have a heart for the San Jose volleyball player.
Let's give them compassion.

Speaker 1 What's not fair is just for like a woman's entire woman's sports. I agree.

Speaker 3 By the way, I agree with you. I agree with you.
And it's interesting. I stress tested this, Charlie.

Speaker 3 I was wondering, I said, you know, in California, and I've been a leader in the LGBTQ as faces, you know, back in 2004, was marrying same-sex couples. And I know we have difference opinion on

Speaker 3 marriage equality.

Speaker 3 And so I've been at this for years and years. I take a bad seat to no one.
But I was actually on the issue of sports, which in the last few years has just exploded,

Speaker 3 trying to understand and understand the 10 athletes in the NC2A, 510,000 athletes, but 10 athletes.

Speaker 3 But how profound. And even my own friend cohort.
people saying, the hell is going on? Why aren't you calling this out? When did this happen?

Speaker 3 So in 2000, it turns out in 2014, years before I was governor, there was a law established that established the legal principles that

Speaker 3 allow trans athletes in women's sports.

Speaker 3 But the issue of fairness is completely legit. So I completely align with you.
And we've got to own that. We've got to acknowledge it.

Speaker 3 And I don't say that through the prism of politics because you disagree with same-sex marriage on principle.

Speaker 3 And so I'm not, and by the way, I value the fact that you're not trying to walk away from that principle because electorally,

Speaker 3 I'm in the minority.

Speaker 3 Yeah, in the minority. And I don't want to walk away from this principle because it's electoral, but it is an issue of fairness.
And I think Democrats.

Speaker 1 I think that I wish that we would have done this podcast last week.

Speaker 1 This week? Well, because the U.S. Senate just voted, every Democrat voted against that bill.
And I'm just telling you, like, again, I'm not one to give Governor Newsome advice.

Speaker 1 You guys are giving us an 80-20 issue

Speaker 1 that is just permeating the country.

Speaker 1 And it is such an affront to our senses.

Speaker 1 And you look at these videos, videos, Governor, because it's not just that it's, okay, you read an article about it, but these young men that are, you know, are in these sports, they're throwing around girls.

Speaker 1 And it is an issue of fairness, but it goes to a broader arch narrative,

Speaker 3 which is important. No, and this, I want to hear this.

Speaker 1 Which is this, that, that, that you, that the Democrats, you guys will tend to view an incident through an oppressor-oppressed lens. Yeah, it's your training.
It comes from college.

Speaker 1 It comes from, and we as conservatives tend to view things through right or wrong or just or unjust.

Speaker 1 And the country is going far more in our direction and away from your direction.

Speaker 1 That's just a little taste. Now, I do have to interject one thing.
By the way, Governor Newsom is getting attacked by the left rather aggressively for saying, quote, I completely align with you.

Speaker 1 He aligns with us on this program. Now, is Gavin,

Speaker 1 is he being, let's just say, honest with his deeply held beliefs? I think it's just pure transactional politics, but who knows? And honestly, who cares?

Speaker 1 What's important is that we are winning on the issue, and even the governor of California has to come in our direction.

Speaker 1 But boy, there's going to be a reckoning in California because that is the center of radical trans ideology.

Speaker 1 However, there's something that he said that I would have interjected and said if the podcast would have been recorded the next day, which is he said, well, they're more likely to commit suicide.

Speaker 1 A new study from the University of Texas actually shows that is not true.

Speaker 1 Yesterday, quote, males that had trans-affirming, gender-affirming care surgery had depression rates of 25% 25% compared to males without surgery.

Speaker 1 Anxiety rates that the group were 12.8% compared to 2.6%.

Speaker 1 Quote, depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation and substance use disorders were significantly higher among those who underwent surgery.

Speaker 1 The same differences were found among females as with surgery at 22.9% depression rates. Females who underwent surgery also had anxiety rates compared to 7.1% without surgery.

Speaker 1 New study came out that shows that it's not even true. The University of Texas study shows that the suicide talking point is completely nonsense.
We tweeted this out yesterday.

Speaker 1 Elon retweeted it and went totally viral, seen by 20 or 30 million people. So I would have responded to Governor Newsom if that study would have been out in time for our conversation.

Speaker 1 We're going to keep on going into this conversation that I had with Governor Newsome. I will say this: the way that we view the world is through right and wrong, just and unjust.

Speaker 1 They view it through oppressor-oppressed. And the entire Democrat Party just said, we do not care if men are in female sports.
The governor of California is standing up against it.

Speaker 1 Is it legitimate or not?

Speaker 1 More than anything else, it is interesting and illuminating.

Speaker 1 And I'm glad that we were able to bring that out to the surface. It is an 80-20 issue.

Speaker 1 As the governor's trying to run to the middle, we'll see the kind of backlash that that will receive from the trans radical ideologues in the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1 More of my conversation with Gavin Newsom. So, this is kind of how it all started.

Speaker 1 Gavin said that

Speaker 1 Governor Newsom said that his son is a big fan of the Charlie Kirk Show

Speaker 1 and that he really wanted to come to the studio. And I responded off the cuff and rather sharply.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you, when you have conversations like this, you see, Governor Newsom was being overly effusive in his praise towards me. So you have to kind of meet the interviewer at his frequency.

Speaker 1 Remember, I'm a guest on his show.

Speaker 1 So here's a guy who I believe has done incredible damage to the most beautiful state in the country, that I believe has done

Speaker 1 just unspeakable harm to the great people of California. So here he is kind of throwing on the praise.

Speaker 1 It's a difficult thing because you don't want to all of a sudden look as if you're just coming out like super aggro.

Speaker 1 At the same time, you must challenge. So I try to get in a couple little one-liners here or there.
Listen carefully, play cut 174.

Speaker 3 Last night, trying to put my son to bed, he's like, no, dad, I just, what time? What time is Charlie going to be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13.

Speaker 3 He's like, no, no, this morning wakes up at 6 up and he's like, I'm coming. I'm like,

Speaker 3 he literally would not leave the house.

Speaker 1 Did you let him take off school?

Speaker 3 No, he did. Of course not.
He's not here for a good reason. But the point is that.

Speaker 1 He canceled school for like two years. Once one,

Speaker 3 the point is the point, which is you are making a damn debt.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I'm kidding.
He canceled school for two years. Come on, I mean, you had the Zoom class for

Speaker 1 two years. You shut down all the California schools.
All kidding aside, it really does show the power of this program.

Speaker 1 The power of all of you that subscribe to our show and keep the momentum going, that we are reaching the sons and daughters of the Democrat ruling class.

Speaker 1 And I just want to have the offer to Governor Newsom, both privately and publicly.

Speaker 1 We'd love to have your son come to one of our Turning Point USA events. We won't make a big deal out of it.
We won't say, oh, this is Gavin Newsom's son. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 We just want him to be able to have a patriotic experience this summer. We have our student action summit.
We'd love to have him come to Tampa, Florida. He could bring a couple friends.

Speaker 1 I think it would be incredible to have Governor Newsom's there. Again, we wouldn't make a whole thing a display out of it.
He can make up his own mind.

Speaker 1 But it does show the impact of the virality of what we've been doing.

Speaker 1 And I wonder if that was one of the reasons why I was

Speaker 1 invited to be the first guest on Gavin Newsom's program.

Speaker 1 I was the first guest on the program, and I wonder if it was something to do with his son. And so, but we are reaching the next generation.
We are reaching young people.

Speaker 1 And one of the pieces of tape that we will get into

Speaker 1 is how I explained how younger voters are the most suicidal, alcohol-addicted, anxious,

Speaker 1 and quite honestly, suffering generation in modern American history, if not in American history. Let's play Cut 175.

Speaker 3 When you go to these college campuses, I love watching your TikTok, which is a nice level. Clearly, that's expressed by my 13-year-old son.
I want to meet this guy. Yeah,

Speaker 3 I actually.

Speaker 1 He's coming to a turning point event this summer, Tampa, Florida Student Action Summit.

Speaker 3 I actually am concerned. By the way, if you.
You should be concerned. But actually, let me say,

Speaker 3 here is why I'm concerned, because you have expressed that I should be concerned as a Democrat, that we're getting oh we're getting clobbered yes that you've you figured something out it's not me the president first deserves the credit but why no no hold on you were at this before Trump was no I know but he he was a Democrat back in 2011

Speaker 1 the president deserves huge credit and I just have to say that as an obligatory thing because without him our movement would be small and and you can appreciate that in politics you have to appreciate the person who is the catalyst

Speaker 1 for you that's what you sort of attached to an identity he was also just the catalyst it was a cultural moment that just opened us up By the way, the media is covering this all live.

Speaker 1 It's big, big coverage about how Gavin Newsom is breaking with the Democrat Party. Daily Mail, Fox News, across the board.

Speaker 1 Here's going to be interesting for Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 1 It's not worth our time whether or not the shift is legitimate or not. I don't think it's legitimate.
I think it's all just political opportunism.

Speaker 1 Is will the Democrat Party put up with a candidate like Gavin Newsom who's trying to moderate his views.

Speaker 1 Will they allow somebody to say, nope, actually, no men in female sports to try to help rebuild the image.

Speaker 1 And we went right in, by the way, on all the race stuff, Prop 16, legalized racial discrimination. I also challenged him on the most radical trans law in the country.

Speaker 1 And to be honest with you, we'll play this tape of when I challenge him on the most radical trans law.

Speaker 1 He's so slippery when it comes to the California stuff.

Speaker 1 He'll argue from authority, like, no, no, no, that's not actually what what the balls the bill says this this this this this and I I know he's wrong, but I don't have the bill handy So it's you kind of just go you kind of get lost in the details there

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Speaker 1 So let's get into it. So this has been one of Gavin Newsom's most effective attack lines when he is on a show like Sean Hannity or when he goes up against Ron DeSantis.

Speaker 1 He says, you guys are book banners. So he brought that one right out of his back pocket and he decided to deploy it.
And this is how I've always wanted Republicans to reply to the book banning issue.

Speaker 1 If I may say so myself, I thought I did very well on this. We actually did zero prep on this.
You know, we were prepping for all the different types of things that could be brought up.

Speaker 1 We did not bring up a book banning.

Speaker 3 This is how, if...

Speaker 1 I was a Republican, this is how you should respond to this issue. Play cut 192.

Speaker 3 How about the book ban stuff? On a a serious note,

Speaker 3 4,240 books or titles, libraries and schools are banned in 2023.

Speaker 3 Is that not as a conservative? Well, it depends.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, I think we can both agree pornography should not be taught to nine-year-olds. Fair point.
Okay.

Speaker 3 So that's a book ban. All right.
Well, there are some other books. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 That was the Moms for Liberty contention. Timeout.
Like, I agree on Bill O'Reilly. The Moms for Liberty movement that you made a big thing of was just no porn to 10-year-olds.
Yeah. We agree.

Speaker 1 So those bans should be, those books should be banned.

Speaker 3 Well, okay.

Speaker 1 So what we should do right now is every California school that has porn in their library should be kicked out.

Speaker 3 Does that include the Bible?

Speaker 1 Well, I wouldn't say the Song of Solomon is porn.

Speaker 3 No, but I think some have made that point. Is that a fair point?

Speaker 3 I don't think that's fair. And as a man of faith, and I deeply admire that about you.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yes, sir. But no, I mean, again, the song of Solomon is rather risque.

Speaker 3 No, it's not.

Speaker 1 But what we're talking about in these books is not just the words, it's also the images. And again, your audience can look at the images themselves.

Speaker 1 It's highly graphic.

Speaker 3 But again, what seems a banning binge, I mean, at next level, sort of cancel culture.

Speaker 1 But why do you think moms are doing that? Do you think it's because they want to have mind control or do you think that they have come across

Speaker 1 incident of incident of highly provocative material?

Speaker 3 I love moms, but this mom's, I mean, I would honor to get into moms for liberty. It's

Speaker 3 deeply organized for a larger agenda, but that's my humble opinion.

Speaker 1 No, but I, but for, but let me just, you know, kind of complete the point is that it's easy to just call it kind of a book ban, but when you actually have to read some of these books, it will take your breath away of some of this stuff, right?

Speaker 1 You're like, okay, you know, we're teaching a 10-year-old

Speaker 3 on. I know, I just have a problem with, you know, who the hell is going to decide that? Government? I mean, Duran DeSantis is going to decide what I can read or say

Speaker 3 in the boardroom and all that.

Speaker 1 Hold on, this is the exercise of politics, though. The exercise of politics is the highest form of community because it blends morality and sociability.

Speaker 1 So what we do is we have discussion and elections and we have boards and commissions, right? And we as a people say, okay, no porn for 10-year-olds. And that's politics, right?

Speaker 3 I mean, I'm not saying that there's like some sort of thing. We've got to stress test whether the Bible's included in that.
I don't even want to go forward anymore on this.

Speaker 3 No, it's tough, but this is not

Speaker 3 a dialectic. I have heard a lot.

Speaker 1 I've never heard. That's interesting, though.

Speaker 3 No, I mean,

Speaker 3 it's a pornography. I don't think I've ever seen it.
I don't think offending. Again, I deeply don't mean offend.
By the way, Father Cause would be offended.

Speaker 3 If you make the Bible's pornographic, no, yeah, but there's just, there's, there's,

Speaker 3 most of these books are quote unquote not pornographic. There's sections that

Speaker 1 can offend of images that are very violating to young people.

Speaker 3 Some we would agree on that. But hold on, can I just say say one of those in this?

Speaker 1 If you want to learn, Governor, and I'm happy that there is a movement of moms that is not, that's growing where they feel as if our kids are being hypersexualized.

Speaker 1 And I agree with them that they are being, that they have to hear topics. Social media.
Well, both in the social media and the classroom.

Speaker 1 So that's how you handle, in my opinion, the book banning issue. And look, Governor Newsom, that said, I don't want to go any more forward on this.

Speaker 1 Because it's very easy to say book ban, book ban, book ban when you frame it as what it is, which is a common sense

Speaker 1 just kicking out of pornography in our schools. And him mentioning the Bible is just so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 The only reason I did not get indignant is that there are some portions of the Song of Solomon that are risque.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't say it's pornography, but the issue has always been visual images for eight, nine, and ten-year-olds that are so violating, not longer holy texts that may or may not be read to kids, which I think is just such an outrageous

Speaker 1 example for him to try to bring in there. But he was starting to lose and then comes back in.

Speaker 1 No, no, we don't want to talk about that anymore. Also, they call them book bans when it's just, why are we teaching this book? Why is this book in the library for fifth graders? That is not a ban.

Speaker 1 It is not a ban.

Speaker 1 It's a maybe a ban on pornography, which we can all agree with. So here is

Speaker 1 another lengthy clip that I want to play. And now, before I get into it, I knew the details dangerously enough on this topic.

Speaker 1 However, this is where Gavin Newsom is his most slippery and his most shifty and the most clever.

Speaker 1 Anything to do with a detail in California, he will argue from authority, get hyper-aggressive, talk over you,

Speaker 1 and say you don't know, you're not from here.

Speaker 1 This is the most radical trans bill in the country, without a doubt. Essentially, as it is written, a teacher cannot be fired

Speaker 1 if they do not tell parents that their kid is transitioning at school, is taking hormones at school, or is calling him or herself vice versa sex.

Speaker 1 There are other elements of this bill that I was not able to recall. I'll be perfectly honest with you, candidly, right there on the spot.

Speaker 1 I have a good memory, but it was just, there's so much kind of going on there. The question is, who has sovereignty over our kids?

Speaker 1 We never got really into that, but anything to do with California, Gavin Newsom will rise up. You don't understand.
This is not what he does this thing with the hands.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you what's really in the bill. That's not what it is.
And I even doubled or tripled down on even the extreme example because, yes, I think a teacher should 100% be fired.

Speaker 1 if the teacher does not tell a parent that their kid is transitioning. Of course I do.
Even though that is the more radical extremist interpretation of this bill.

Speaker 1 So it's just one example of how he reacts to anything to do with California.

Speaker 1 It's also very good for anyone who might be dialoguing with Gavin in the future, anyone that might be debating against him in the future.

Speaker 1 When it comes to California, not only do you need to know your stuff, you have to be willing to get into the trenches because he'll just try to bring you down right into the gutter on the issue.

Speaker 1 Muddy it up, get into the weeds. It's a very effective debate tactic.
Is it rooted in truth? Of course not. Play cut 194.

Speaker 1 You signed a law where school districts can't even tell parents if their kids are trans. That's true.

Speaker 3 Okay, then true. Okay, then.
No, they can. They just can't get fired for not doing that.
And it wasn't just trans.

Speaker 3 The law was explicit, said you can't be fired for not snitching on a kid, not just for being trans, for being gay.

Speaker 3 And my point is, how in the hell

Speaker 3 parents know? They have every right to do that. But by telling parents snitching? No,

Speaker 3 the teachers themselves have the right. The law is, is they can do that.
They can do that. We're not saying you can't do that.

Speaker 3 We're saying you shouldn't be fired if you choose not to say Johnny was talking about liking some other boys. It's not charitable reading.
It's not charitable. It's all charitable.

Speaker 3 But let me tell you.

Speaker 1 The freedom not to be able to do that. Let me tell you the other way to say this.
That a teacher, of course, should be fired if you don't notify a parent of what's happening to their kid.

Speaker 1 Of course, they should be terminated for that.

Speaker 3 On health and safety. Since they've been teaching,

Speaker 3 I want these teachers to teach.

Speaker 3 And by the way, they feel like the health or safety of their kid they have a responsibility to communicate that they still can't by the way we're not selling these teachers they can't we're saying they won't be fired if they don't look around and say in the recess there were two boys why didn't you see that you're fired you should have said something because they're talking about two different things what you're but there of course should be a penalty measure whether it be termination or whatever if a teacher withholds information from a parent Because what you're saying is that there's no way to hold them accountable.

Speaker 1 So you're saying you're...

Speaker 3 Accountable to what, though? Accountable to two kids talking about the fact that

Speaker 3 talking about subject matter, all of a sudden now we have to have teachers policing

Speaker 3 speech or conversation.

Speaker 1 I think you would even agree, Governor, that is an over-extreme example.

Speaker 3 What we're talking about is but the extreme example, this was a solution.

Speaker 1 What we're talking about is if, which happens a lot, unfortunately, is if a young girl says that, hey, I want to transition and the teacher accommodates and affirms it, and the parent doesn't even know.

Speaker 1 I have met parents like that in a second. I heard Trump and then they come back and they're

Speaker 3 there's so much extreme.

Speaker 1 I will say, and we don't have to, you know, we don't have to wrestle too much on this topic, but you guys will lose on these topics.

Speaker 3 And you might disagree, but again, but I'm one of those guys, and Charlotte, I appreciate, and I, by the way, appreciate the civility in which we're engaged in this conversation sincerely.

Speaker 3 I don't mind losing. Sometimes you lose on principle.
It's one of those things, everything's not political is the point.

Speaker 3 And sometimes in principle, and by the way, mad respect for you, abortion, and same-sex marriage, you feel that you're not.

Speaker 1 The American people don't agree with me.

Speaker 3 Exactly. And I admire that on principle.
But for me, it's not just political. And I appreciate you making that point.
I deeply am mindful of the politics of this, which are very unhelpful.

Speaker 3 Personally, it's unhelpful more broadly, professionally, the Democratic Party and our brand. And one of the reasons, to your point, the Democratic Party brand has just been crushed.

Speaker 1 And so is your self-awareness

Speaker 1 is helpful to know because it is deeply unpopular. And I think that

Speaker 1 that is an ascendant political force

Speaker 1 that is not going away.

Speaker 3 No, I appreciate it, but I also appreciate you hold deeply unpopular beliefs. Oh, of course I do, but I know.
But you're not running for office. I'm not going to run for president as a moderate.

Speaker 3 The facts are this.

Speaker 1 It's very simple. A California public school teacher is not required to inform parents if their child is transitioning.

Speaker 1 In July 2024, Governor Newsom signed Assembly Bill 1955, also known as the Support Academic Future and Educators for Today's Youth Act.

Speaker 1 The legislation prohibits school districts from enacting or enforcing policies that require teachers or other school staff to notify parents about a student's gender identity, sexual orientation, or gender expression.

Speaker 1 So he's taking an incredibly extreme interpretation of, and it goes back down to

Speaker 1 the core, whose kids is it? So it doesn't block them from telling, obviously, but it enables teachers who are trying to secretly transition kids while the parents are clueless. Let me say that again.

Speaker 1 It enables and protects teachers who are secretly trying to transition kids while parents are clueless.

Speaker 1 And of course, it empowers the LGBTQ student activist teachers who are trying to go after kids and groom them in the classroom. We know that to be correct.
And the parents have no idea.

Speaker 1 These are our kids, meaning parents' kids, not the government's, not the teachers. It is a grooming protection bill.
No exaggeration. That's how I should have gone about it.
I thought I did okay.

Speaker 1 I thought we probably went to a draw there. But anything on California, it's very, very difficult to make any progress with them.
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Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to a shorter piece of tape here of our sit-down with Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 Let's go to this one. This is a little more fun one.
Play cut 182.

Speaker 3 But it's equally insane that people are boycotting Bud Light.

Speaker 3 I mean, how is that not called?

Speaker 1 That's why I don't drink. But yeah, I mean, like.
You don't drink at all? I mean, no.

Speaker 3 By the way, I'm just, that's interesting. You don't? No.
Never have? I have, yeah. A couple years ago.
What happened? What, a couple of years ago, you stopped? What you were?

Speaker 3 Why'd you stop?

Speaker 1 I just wanted to be more successful.

Speaker 3 I love that. What were you drinking?

Speaker 1 Napa Valley wine.

Speaker 3 Oh, Jesus Christ. Here we go.
Right. Are we going to be able to do it? I use my Lord and Savior in vain.

Speaker 3 By the way, forgive me.

Speaker 3 I deeply respect. And by the way, due respect.

Speaker 3 It's like the fourth time. I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 There's There's a contemplation of how many times he used our Lord and Savior name to me. I kept telling him to stop, and he kept on doing it.

Speaker 1 Let's go to more.

Speaker 1 There's so much here. The one I want to get into is Prop 16.
So, Prop 16 is one of the most radical things that has ever been proposed in the history of the state of California.

Speaker 1 He was not prepared to be able to defend this, and he tried to weasel out of it, saying, oh, I don't know the details of it.

Speaker 1 This would have made racial discrimination legal in the state of California, and the voters of California overwhelmingly rejected it. He knew I got him on finally a California detail in 2020.

Speaker 1 I got him on one California detail. He was not prepared for Prop 16.
Kudos to Blake for pulling this one out. And it wasn't like a small thing.

Speaker 1 This was a major racial reckoning ballot referendum in the middle of 2020 that he endorsed. If you want to see kind of what he believes and why he believes it, he was not prepared for this one.

Speaker 1 He was, of course, prepared for wildfires and he was prepared for homelessness. He's got all his little talking points for that.
Prop 16, whoop,

Speaker 1 a little bit off edge there. Play cut 187.

Speaker 3 By the way, you're talking to someone who's never supported the defense. No, I'm not.
No, but I was explicit. But hold on.

Speaker 1 One second. You did support Prop 16 in 2020, which would have legalized

Speaker 1 racial prejudice, right? Prop 16 literally would.

Speaker 3 I have to go back to my point of view.

Speaker 1 No, no, you're not. You know, you're supposed to say

Speaker 3 960 SAT, so a little human being. Hold on, you're the governor of the largest state in the country.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 I saw your debate against DeSantis. You're good at this stuff.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 Prop 16 would have had legalized racial prejudice, which

Speaker 1 got defeated by 16 points, despite all the institutions.

Speaker 1 So you're asking me what did woke is look like when California, when all the institutions, yourself included, with all due respect, embraced this insane ballot measure. Guess what?

Speaker 1 Even the people of California didn't want

Speaker 3 racial discrimination. But California since 1996 has had Prop 209.

Speaker 1 There was city council meetings where they said the white people aren't allowed here, right?

Speaker 3 And what's not good. I know it's not good.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 1 what ends up happening is a broader question of sensible, not racist suburban moms that are like, wait a second, I have an eight-year-old white son. Are you trying to say he's a racist? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it creates a backlash

Speaker 1 that then bubbles up, right?

Speaker 3 I appreciate that perspective.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he knows what Prop 16 is for the record. He knows exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 I got to go look at my notes.

Speaker 1 Let's go to this one here.

Speaker 1 179. More fun.

Speaker 1 You're talking about your wining and dining at French Laundry.

Speaker 3 Yes, I was talking about the importance of

Speaker 3 never.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I can't help you with a reservation. I get such a

Speaker 3 whole shtick. I got to be honest.

Speaker 3 It's very nice. By the way, we couldn't have this conversation with that conversation.
Dumbest bonehead move my life. Okay.
Own it, move on, grow up.

Speaker 3 And I'm trying to.

Speaker 1 Is that you talking to yourself?

Speaker 3 That's me talking to myself.

Speaker 3 I'm staring. I'm looking right at you in the eyes as I say that, just to get your reaction.

Speaker 1 Here's the Xi Ji Ping clip. The French laundry one we can go on at length.
183. Why is is it you were able to clean it up for Xi Ji Ping? Oh, you can't clean it up.

Speaker 3 That was the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. By the way, you guys weaponized that.
I saw that on 25 things.

Speaker 3 That was, you know what? I will happily, happily revert back to your

Speaker 3 streets as statements. Weaponized.

Speaker 3 In this case, weaponized.

Speaker 1 Can I

Speaker 1 have a weaponization? Can I get the Xi Ji Ping streets ridiculous?

Speaker 3 Give me a break.

Speaker 1 Governor.

Speaker 1 All due respect. I saw a beautiful picture of San Francisco that looked like Singapore.
By the way, and then Xi Ji Ping leaves, and the Walking Dead come in.

Speaker 3 By the way, it was Pacquiao had dozens and dozens of foreign leaders.

Speaker 3 And California is not San Francisco, but I am the governor of California, not the mayor of California. You want the mayor of California.

Speaker 1 You were the mayor, but I just want to say

Speaker 3 we had a clean enough.

Speaker 1 But you have to admit, it's emblematic of something that if enough important people show up, it can get clean. So why not make it clean all the time? That one I was proud of, which is exactly right.

Speaker 1 If enough important people show up, San Francisco can be clean. Homelessness is a choice.

Speaker 1 It's not weaponized.

Speaker 1 We're not trying to go after marginalized communities, all these talking points. No.

Speaker 1 Weaponized, like when a homeless bum weaponizes a baseball bat to rob someone's car in San Francisco. I like that tape that we just played.
Ryan and Andrew, we should tweet that one next.

Speaker 1 I thought that was a good one. I thought that was a good one.
And it ended nicely. I thought that was good.
If enough important people show up to San Francisco, you can have clean streets.

Speaker 1 But you can't have clean streets if communist dictators don't show up. To listen to the entire conversation of Gavin Newsom and I, we will continue to post it here.

Speaker 1 He has it on his podcast page as well. I will say, everything they said they were going to do, they fulfilled.
They didn't edit any of it, they gave us the video footage.

Speaker 1 So, thank you to them and their team to do that. They were honest brokers, so that deserves recognition.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.

Speaker 1 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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