How Gavin Newsom Ruined California ft. Lomez

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Joining us now is Lomez, otherwise known as Jonathan Keeperman. A great guy.
Welcome, man. Thanks, Charlie.
How are you? This is wonderful to be here. Thank you.
Yeah. You publish books amongst other things, right? So tell us about some of these great gifts you've just given.
Okay. So I got you three books.
These were on my shelf. This is Gray Mirror from Curtis Yarvin, Fascicles.
Curtis Yarvin, as you know, as people are finding out, is a kind of intellectual, you know, forebearer to some of these new trends in right-wing thought. You know, J.D.
Vance has cited Curtis Yarvin as, you know, a reference point. Curtis is closely tied into this new sort of tech right coalition that's joining up with the mega coalition.
We've had Curtis on our program. So, yeah, we're doing four Curtis books over the next four years.
This is the first. I also have for you H.P.
Lovecraft short stories with some great new art. And then one of my favorites is Always With Honor comic book.
Always With Honor is the memoir of the great white army general from the Russian Civil War, Peter Rangel. What side was he on? The Bolsheviks or the Lens Vicks? No, no, no.
General Rangel was our great white army hero who, despite the odds and despite everything coming against him, was one of the few people in that conflict who maintained his sense of integrity and fought valiantly. And despite the fact that, of course, as we all know, the Bolsheviks won, he managed to save hundreds of thousands of lives in getting his fellow countrymen to safety.
So he was on the czar's side. Is that right? Yeah, that's right.
I'm not as familiar with the Russian support. Yeah.
Well, it's a really fascinating story that is becoming, unfortunately, increasingly relevant to our own time. Now, I, this election, we probably forestalled the worst outcomes, okay, and replaying the devastating and sort of catastrophic events of the Russian Civil War.
But I think the takeaway lesson is not so much the historical analog, but how as a man, as an honorable person with some influence, you are required to behave during times of great stress. And when people are looking to you in periods of chaos to restore some order to the polity.
And it is always with honor. Always with honor.
So I sat down with Gavin Newsom yesterday. Now, do you live in California? I don't anymore.
So I fled along with hundreds of thousands of other Californians around 2020. COVID was the catalyst for a lot of people to leave California, but it was going to happen one way or the other.
The trends were already in motion. California had become a place that was hostile to middle class families.
And my wife and I, we had started our family. Our oldest son was starting school and we had to get out because this is not a place where you can raise a family on a middle class income.
And a lot of that, frankly, is because of some of the policies that either Gavin Newsom was responsible for authoring or enabling. And so this is something that I think, as Gavin Newsom very clearly seems to be making a play for 2028.
A little bit. We have to remember what he did to the state of California.
And despite everything he might say to try to pivot to the center and make peace with some of the radicals on his side, he ruined California in a lot of ways. And I think it's important for us to remember that.
How would you say he did that? I completely agree. Well, so firstly, the proof is in the pudding.
Okay. As I was saying, net out-migration from California really started to accelerate the moment Gavin Newsom came into office in 2019.
You started to see hundreds of thousands of people flee the state, especially, again, middle class families. And it's some combination of crime, homelessness.
You have this kind of radical leftist cultural agenda that's infecting the schools and that was enabled by Gavin Newsom. And, you know, I don't know if it was brought up in your interview, but I would encourage people, for example, to look up AB 101.
AB 101 was an education bill that got put before Newsom in 2020, which he signed, which mandates DEI education for all California high schoolers. A semester of DEI education for high schoolers.
So all he might say about his sort of animosity or, you know, certain hesitation he might have about pursuing some of this DEI agenda, well, he didn't really act on that, okay, and he signed this bill into law, and now starting in 2024-25, this year, all high school kids have to take DEI classes. Okay, so you have homelessness, crime.
You have the cultural degradation. You also have a state that doesn't work financially.
Housing is incredibly expensive. Part of that is the demand for housing, but part of that are these onerous regulations that are imposed not just on business owners, but on anybody who wants to build anything.
It's just a state that is hostile to people, to ordinary people. It's very friendly to criminals and homeless, okay? But it's hostile to ordinary people.
It's also very nice if you're very wealthy. So you can find a nice strip along the beach, you know, all the way down the coast.
It's very comfortable if you can afford that. But for ordinary people, it's just not a good place to live.
I think you'll get a kick out of this piece of tape here. This is about the University of California higher education system, the UC system.
And Gavin Newsom, I say something, he doesn't even know what they're teaching. It's a little bit of a fun moment.

Play cut 190.

Also, half the kids that graduate college will not even end up using their degree when

it comes to the affiliated job.

So the numbers are true at the highest income.

So about 10% of kids that go to college stretch out the averages to be really, really high.

Got it.

And so, for example, you go to Caltech to study computer engineering and applied AI.

Next level.

Man, you're crushing it, right?

You go to Cal to go study North African lesbianan lesbian poetry yeah like is that an actual degree there you tell me i don't know i mean we funded but i'm not sure that's one of the courses you don't know well i don't know every single damn course uh it should be like no way but it's a if the fact it's a maybe we got some problems well the fact that a lot of people have different disciplines. That's fine.
It's just the taxpayer shouldn't have to fund it. Your reaction to that? You know, I think Gavin Newsom, first of all, what that reflects is he has no idea what's going on in his state.
Okay. He almost fell for it.
Like, is that a thing? I wouldn't be surprised if it was a thing. So, you know, I have some experience with this.
I taught in the UC system for 10 years. I was a lecturer in the English department at UC Irvine.

I spent a lot of time with undergrads.

So I want to say a couple things here because I have some insight onto this as someone who was inside of it for a long time.

You're right.

There's a dichotomy.

The 10% of the institution of higher ed in California, really anywhere across the country, is still doing really great stuff. They're producing knowledge.
They are teaching kids how to work with technology that they're going to need for successful and useful lives, useful careers. But the 90% of it is just a waste of time and money.
These kids don't know anything. They don't learn anything.
The professors don't care to teach them anything. The university has failed at its two basic functions, which is either to produce knowledge or to preserve knowledge.
It no longer does either. And it's especially the latter that is a real problem.
I love that. I've never heard anyone say it that Chris.
So yeah, preserving knowledge, preserving our intellectual and cultural heritage. Not only have they neglected to do that, there has been an active effort to erase that intellectual and cultural heritage.
And so I think, you know, if you really get into sort of granular details of it, there's all sorts of room for plausible deniability. Someone like Gavin Newsom can say, well, that's just some one-off crazy thing.
It's not reflective of the entire institution. But I will tell you, as someone who spent a lot of time with these kids, they are not coming out any better than they came in.
And in fact, they're coming out a lot worse and of course than in tons of debt too.

So they're saddled with this tremendous debt and they haven't improved what we call their human capital, their ability to actually perform in the workplace and make good use of their lives and

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So Lomas, before we play more tape here, I want to just reiterate, you believe that probably 90% of the academy is rotten to the core. Yeah, more or less.
I mean, in this, the fault, there's plenty of fault to go around. Part of it starts with high school and K through 12.
And so these kids come into school. They come into their undergrad class.
You know, I used to teach a number of different classes. One I used to teach was on conspiracy theories.
OK, we would talk about conspiracy theories and sort of the rhetoric and arguments involved in conspiracy theories. And I would start with 9-11.
And from 9-11, we'd go to, you know, JFK. And over time, you know, time you know i started teaching about 2010 over time what i started to find was they didn't know what these things were they didn't i mean now part of this was a huge percentage of my students at uc irvine were uh international students over 20 at one point so they had no real connection to our cultural history but even the american kids they didn't know who JFK was.
They didn't know these basic facts about history. This is at UC Irvine.
This is at UC Irvine. So you'd say that kids would come to UC Irvine and not know who JFK was? They'd have some vague idea.
They might have heard the name. But tying that to a specific period in history or tying it to a specific assassination and the context around that and things like Vietnam and the Cold War was totally absent from their mental framework.
And so what I ended up doing for a large part of my classes, especially for first year students, was basically teaching them Wikipedia level history, basic American history. And so, you know, and it's not their fault, by the way.
This is not something these kids did to themselves. This is because of neglect from our educational institutions.
And a lot of this comes out of the educational graduate programs that determine curriculums for statewide schools. There's also, again, just this sense that over time, our powers that be have decided that it's better for us to start to start from scratch, again, to sever our connection from our intellectual and cultural history and replace it with something else.
This has been going on basically since the political correctness period of the 90s, probably even before that. But it really accelerated in the 2000s and in the Obama years.
And this has a drastic effect on the students when they come in. And so by the time they get to college, they're not ready to absorb and get anything out of the material that perhaps you and I got in college and certainly from generations before got out of college.

They're playing catch up all the way through.

And then you add that to the fact that their instructors and the people who now run the colleges are almost exclusively one dimensional ideologues. I mean, across the board, you it is very rare.
And someone like me, I just kind of sit in the back and keep my mouth shut. I don't say anything.
There's nobody to the right of Barack Obama circa 2008. That's about as far right as you're going to get.
And so this one-dimensional ideological trajectory doesn't produce any kind of education per se. What it is is ideological instruction.
They are trying to impose their beliefs and political agenda on these students. And anybody who deviates from that even a little bit learns very early on there's consequences for it.
So you know, if I want to get a good grade, I just repeat back to my teacher what they want. That's exactly right.
And so what should a college be in the ideal?

College means partnership in the original Greek. So, you know, I have my own view of what college should be.
It may not match up with everyone else's. I don't think that college needs to be a place where it becomes the default next step for every kid who graduates from high school.
I think it's great if people want to pursue a higher education, they absolutely should. But we should construct a system where kids are given an opportunity that doesn't reflect on their value or moral worth, where they can be funneled into vocational training or even like very high-end career paths, you don't need college.
You can get the training you need just going by being an apprentice at a law firm even. And I think AI is gonna change a lot of this, by the way.
I hope so. Yeah, so I wanna play that tape actually.
Let's play cut 176. Are you arguing for the disestablishment the end of higher education i think it's gonna happen no matter what i mean in 10 years artificial intelligence is going to change everything yeah and i don't know what these four-year degrees are actually doing to prepare these kids for that but no as far as like i'm not i mean my advocating for the end of the pursuit pursuit of learning of course not that's one of my big critiques right is that at a lot these schools, they're not pursuing what is good, true, and beautiful.
It's become the oppression Olympics and a weaponized complaint seminar of people sitting in the circle and finding out who's been offended the most that day. That's not doing anybody any good.
Yeah. So I think that's right.
And I think the promise, the ideal of college is we all get together with fellow smart people who are intellectually curious, and we sort of work through difficult and old ideas and try to make better sense of the world. That's simply not happening.
I think you're right. AI, social media is going to give us alternatives.
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Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com. We want to hear from you guys in real time okay i am searching for this piece of tape here i think i have it right here yeah here it is so i want to we talked about how democrats struggle to survive in longer form podcasting where there is not scripting or teleprompters let's play cut 180 democrats cannot survive in long-form form podcasting environments.
Why? It's too unscripted. It's too masculine, honestly.
And the Democrat Party's become too feminine. What is masculine about a podcast? Honestly, because I get the whole manosphere, this bro podcast stuff.
To go into the wilderness with no rules and duel it out and see who's better or who's stronger. No, seriously.
I mean, like, what? Democrats can't. No, I mean, like.
We don't do it. You're right.
For whatever reason, don't do it. You can laugh, but, like, who in the Democrat Party.
We're not. You're right.
We'll go. I mean, maybe Bernie Sanders, but he only worked like that.
RFK when he was a Democrat. Bobby, who's now HHS.
But, like, there's something to be said that if you want to earn the respect of forgotten America, you have to show them that you can intellectually joust with no script, no hard breaks, no producers in the ears. Love that.
No teleprompters. Love it.
Thatters that's where new media is going now i will only challenge one thing you say i am reaching new audiences i'm not talking to my my bubble because our content is so appealing it goes in a decentralized way and it's not just political no it's not political but like again our conversation here is going to go far and wide right a lot of going to see it. A lot of people are going to consume it because it's also politics and entertainment have begun to overlap.
Right. Right.
And the old adage is, well, politics is downstream from culture. I think politics and culture are indecipherable from one another now.
Donald Trump became a cultural phenomenon, right? You go in to, you know, inner city Compton, you'll see guys with Trump shirts with, you know, the hand up, you know, fight, fight, fight. So what Democrats are doing is you're still playing in a very old, hypersanitized media environment.
And my advice is you got to go where it's unpredictable, where it's treacherous, where it's dangerous. What do you think about the masculine element of that? Basically, Gavin was like, well, what is masculinity is what he was asking.
Well, I'm sure Gavin would ask that question.

I'm sure it's very difficult for him to come up with a coherent definition of masculinity. It's not something probably that is often modeled in the kind of places that he hangs out and among the kind of people he hangs out with.
I think the general point is a really important one. And this idea of having conversations that are totally unscripted, that are removed from familiar talking points, is something that the right has come to dominate.
And what this reflects to me is a willingness to go after the truth. There isn't some target that we're aiming at.
We don't know necessarily where we're aiming at. Our only lodestar is what is true, what is good, and being willing to follow that wherever it may lead.
Perhaps this is something that just comes about when you're in a position of sort of cultural subordination. So the right was kind of on the outside for a long time, and we had to sort of explore the wilderness.
The left used to be able to do this. They became culturally dominant, no longer can do it.
And why can't the left do it? Because there are certain true things that are in direct contradiction with what the left needs to believe in order to sustain its ideological agenda. And so the moment they let themselves off the leash and start exploring some of these ideas, they're gonna run into these, what we call thought-terminating cliches.
They're just gonna have to stop themselves and retreat back into their talking points. And look, if I didn't believe that just following the truth would lead to the political preferences that I have, then I wouldn't be on the right.
I'd be on the left. It's because I believe that just following the truth naturally will lead to the kinds of things I believe in and the kinds of things I want to see happen that I'm willing to do it.
And I don't think the left is. And to the masculine-feminine issue, one of the more masculine things that one can do is to go where there is uncertainty and to go up against opposition.
In some ways, and I was getting at it, it is an intellectual, nonviolent way to do a UFC fight, right? I mean, it is like we're going to see who wins. We're going to see who's better.
We're going to see who's tougher. Where, I don't know, the feminine way is you both submit op-eds or something.
I don't know. Yeah, so this is something I've actually written about.
I wrote an essay for First Things called What is the Longhouse? And the premise of this essay was to suggest that our current arrangement, at least in official capacities to negotiate over ideas, took on a kind of feminine nature. And what that means is the goal is to reach consensus yes the goal is to prevent anyone from getting their feelings hurt the goal is to prevent offense a more masculine way of arguing is to pursue truth oftentimes if the pursuit if our aim is to find out what is true we we are going to come into conflict with each other.
It is going to be necessarily combative. It is entirely anathema to the notion of consensus.
And so where these two paths diverge, where the masculine and feminine diverge, is either you're aimed at truth or you're aimed at consensus. Let's play another tape here.
I could not agree more. I want to play an element that we discussed with Gavin Newsom about how the race politics are in our schools, race hate in our schools, if you will.
And I know you could talk at length about this. Let's play cut 178.
To make an eight-year-old feel like they're racist is absurd but and outrageous governor with all the respect that's happening right now in california public schools well we but well and i'm not trying to drill you on you i'm just being honest like you could say that but like maybe you should like convene a special session and say like no more you know race-based teaching against white people in the schools of california or asians i'm just saying though that like this is not a conjecture. It's not a hypothetical.
It is embedded into the DNA of the Democrat Party. Is that correct? OK, now this is where Gavin Newsom is at his slipperiest, in my view.
He knows exactly what's going on. And he was kind of playing like, oh, I don't know what's going on.
Oh, how dare you? That AB 101. I I wish I would have had that armed with that.
So, yeah, AB 101 is, you know, a skeleton key, one among many, that kind of unlocks precisely what's going on in California.

And at Gavin Newsom's lead, he signed this bill.

It's not like he's ignorant of what's going on.

AB 101 mandates, mandates that all high school kids take a DEI semester, okay, in their classes, just as they would take econ or civics. They now have to take a DEI class.
He signed this in 2020. This goes into effect in 2024, 25.
At the risk of repeating myself, this is all you need to see and read about to know where Gavin Newsom's heart is at or where his lack of spine is at. He may actually want to not have these things in place.
I don't think he has any core beliefs. Exactly.
I think it's the most transactional. That was my impression.
I mean, which in some ways is the most dangerous of all. It's very dangerous because he can kind of shapeshift according to whatever's most expedient in the moment.
But, you know, he has a track record. And so all we got to do is point to that track record and say, wait a minute, you're saying X.
But clearly what you actually believe or are willing to do is the exact opposite of X. And he'll have no way to really reconcile that except to just kind of dissemble and, you know, smile on camera, which, you know, may be appealing to a certain amount of people.
But I think most voters and most people on our side who, you know, might be looking at Gavin Newsom as someone they could convert to. I really hope not.
Please. That is not going to make anybody's life better.
But they'll see through that. I really think the American voters are smarter than that.
And they see through that kind of transparent sort of political actor type behavior. I hope so.
This was another interesting piece of tape here about how Democrats have a purification process to constantly be kicking people out of their party that don't agree with them or in their intellectual circles. You see this at the Academy.
Yeah. Let's play cut one 77.
Any Democrats you admire out there right now? Democrats. I respect.
Oh yeah. Bobby Kennedy.
I respect Tulsi Gabbard. Why are you laughing? Why are you smiling? Because like they're on our team now because you guys kicked out like your best people.
It's like the people that were into, this is a great point though. Governor is that Bobby Kennedy was a heterodox opinion on a thing that a lot of people were concerned about.
Get him out. He's an anti-vaxxer Tulsi Gabbard, who was anti-war get her out.
She's a Russian agent. You guys see how you have an unhealthy purification process where eventually you're left with just a 31% approval rating and a bunch of people that are talking to each other.
And meanwhile, we're the ones that have Democrats in our cabinet winning winning the electoral majority vote, because there needs to be said, if Democrats are serious about being a majority party ever again, look at that ideological diversity. We have people that, you know, geez, they want to go to war with every country that says something bad against us.
And then we have people that are far more dovish, you know, like Rand Paul. But that is a better, more, dare I say, diverse picture.
You could say diversity is our strength. Oh, look at you.
Lomas, your thoughts? Okay. Yeah.
I mean, look, this is part of the natural, what I'd call sort of liberal leftist life cycle. These things go in circles.
And so, you know, you had the sort of paroxysms of the 60s in this first big wave, not the first big wave, but in modern times, post-war era, this first big wave of sort of leftist excess, it peters out and that leads into the malaise of the 70s and then into Reagan. You have the political correctness craze of the 90s and now we have this 2010s thing happening and it's coming to an end.
And anytime this cycle comes to an end, leftism kind of exhausts its revolutionary spirit. It becomes ossified.
And this gets back to our point about podcasting. It's unable to take in new ideas, novel ideas, ideas that might actually deviate from the hard party line.
This wave of liberal excess is at the end. And I think Gavin Newsom is sort of just clinging to it by a thread, hoping he might be able to revive, you know, the hope and change spirit of Obama.
But frankly, it's dead. It's a dead cycle.
And they're going to have to find something new. And they don't know how to do that.
And you can see with Newsom here, his only ideas are to just take what's working from us. OK, so now he's just going to be anti-DEI.
You saw this, by the way, in the election to all of Kamala Harris's most popular ideas are just stuff she stole from Trump. OK, like no taxes on tipping, for example.
So they're completely out of ideas. I think they need to now go into the wilderness and rediscover what it means to be on the left.
And in the meantime, and I think this is where we have a real opportunity, conservatism has had this bad habit of kind of letting this cycle sort of restart every 10 years or so. Totally.
Letting these people back in, tolerating really bad ideas, not standing up for themselves, not asserting their right to rule. No, we want them to remain in the wilderness.
That's right. And it's time for the right to assert its right to rule.
It is okay to be in charge of the culture. The right has a hard time doing this.
They feel maybe like it's, you know, imposter syndrome, like we can't be in charge of what happens in Hollywood. We can't be in charge of, you know, the kind of shows our kids watch.
But no, you can actually. You just have to have the courage of your convictions.
And so if there's anything I could encourage the right to do in this moment is don't shy away from this moment of potentiality in front of us. Seize it with two hands and assert your right to rule.
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Please plug Passage Press again, and thank you for the books. Absolutely, man.
Yeah, please go to Passage.Press. That's our publishing house.
We have a number of titles on there that I think would be really interesting to your readership.

You know, I want to say something, too, about these young people we've been talking about and how their sort of mental landscape has just kind of been bombed out and, you know, scraped away. And they need to fill it with new good ideas, old stuff as well as new stuff.
And so what we're trying to do with Passage is sort of reaccumulate, re-aggregate a kind of canon for young, intellectually curious people to make better sense of their world. And so, you know, this is a long collection of new philosophers, intellectuals on our scene.
We have great books coming out from, you know, Charles Cornish Dale, writing about masculinity, writing about what's happened with masculinity. We have Paul Godfrey, the great writer who was a longtime prominent right wing intellectual.
Curtis Yarvin, Steve Saylor. Steve's my favorite.
You guys did Noticing, didn't you? Oh, yes. I have that on my bed stand.
Oh, that's beautiful to hear. Steve's a remarkable guy.
We have his audio book coming out soon. So anybody who reads audio books, that'll be available.
So here's an interesting little moment here where Gavin Newsom is trying to maybe be a little economically populist. I don't think he's doing a very good job of it considering he basically oversees the oligarchy.
But let's play cut 184. Listen carefully.
Look, the number one thing, which I know you're going to agree with, and I'm sure you'll have a super slick response, right? That half true but uh which is about three quarters the cost of housing average home in california 150 000 bucks i like what you said about black rock so yeah i mean i but that was interesting to me i think that is but again that's not a majority of house purchasing about one in four houses are bought by private equity would you agree to say that black rock should not be able to own homes in california i think and then turning around and renting them? It's insane, right? This is a huge problem across the country. You should propose a bill in the California State House.
We've had one. It didn't get very far last year, and there's more conversations.
A $10 trillion fund shouldn't be able to come in and buy homes. But it's not just BlackRock specifically.
I mean, it's what's happening in this space. Mass asset managers that have $50 billion asset under management are now competing against our college grad from Cal State Fullerton.
So with a couple minutes, I could see your facial rex. There's a lot there.
Please. Okay.
So, you know, again, this is just betrays what's actually happening in California. Listen, if you're a young guy, you know, you're starting out a family and you want to live in California, which, by the way, is a beautiful place.
And California is filled with a lot of conservatives and red leaning people. And I really don't want people to abandon California.
It really should be the crown jewel of the American empire. And it will be again.
OK. But for the time being, Gavin Newsom is ruining it.
And one way he's ruining it is by eliminating the possibility for a middle class to thrive there. You either can afford to live in a rundown neighborhood full of homeless people and criminals with schools that are going to destroy the minds of your children.
OK, I know that sounds like hyperbole, but it's the truth. Or you're a millionaire and you can live in a comfortable beachside and be completely insulated from the rest of the problems of the state and kind of merrily go along your way, pretending as if everything is fine.
It's not fine. The middle class are getting devastated in California.
And again, the proof is in the pudding. People are fleeing the state.
Middle class Californians are leaving. They are in some number being replaced by foreigners coming in.
But the middle class domestic out migration from California is as big now as it has ever been in the history of the state. And what can if you were to give advice to the American right more broadly, because you said something, we need to have the intestinal fortitude and spine that it's OK to rule yeah it's okay to govern what does that look like one minute remaining okay you know governors of states take back control of your education system this is the biggest one take control we're so afraid to do this it's not hard you can do this you can put your own university presidents in place who are going to return these institutions to the function they were built for.
And why they don't do this is kind of beyond me. And I think they're nervous.
I think also they're unfamiliar with things like public education, with things like education. They're very good with business.
They're very good with tax rates. And that's great.
They shouldn't deviate from that. But they can walk and chew gum at the same time.

And it's simply finding the right people, finding people who are from those institutions, who are aligned, who can help facilitate retaking control of them.

Lomaz, you're great.

You're welcome anytime.

And they try to dox you, but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

That's right.

That's right.

Did you see Steak and Shake was quoting Nietzsche the other day?

No.

Did you see that?

We're in the new timeline, man.

Anything's possible now.

Actually, I got to pull this up here.

I know you'd appreciate it because you're smart.

Yeah.

Steak and Shake tweets, quote, he who has a why to live can bear almost any how.

Steak Shake tweeted that out the other day.

What means? Exactly. Thank you so much, man.
Excellent. why to live can bear almost any how.
Steak Shake tweeted that out. What means?

Exactly.

Thank you so much, man.

Excellent.

As always, thank you for the books.

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Yep, that's the one.

Thanks, Charlie.

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