THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 75 — AI Singularity? National Security Gay-gency? Luigi the Loverboy

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It is Thought Crime Thursday. We have Tyler.
We have Blake. we have Jack, and we have lots of topics to discuss.
We are going to go through Luigi, which I seek to understand the phenomena, and we also have NSG and AI Singularity. That should keep us busy.
It's a good week. That's a good trio, those three? Oh, for sure.
I don't think we should push the boundaries beyond that. So NSG, what's going on here? All righty.
So this is the latest big release from Chris Ruffo over at the Manhattan Institute. There's some sort of whistleblower within the NSA, one of our big intelligence agencies.
They're the ones who handle signals intelligence. So they monitor the Internet.
They intercept phone calls. They were supposed to do it abroad but after 9-11 you know in the name of national security they had to have authority in the u.s too but anyway uh so they have these they have an intel agency kind of internal chat room that they get to use and it's supposed to only be for work reasons but of course in the age of, you can't have a thriving workplace unless you have your LGBT affinity room chat discussion area for employees.
And so someone's just started leaking what they were saying in their affinity chat room. And Rufo has been releasing it.
So let's look at some of these. We have some it's really just far ranging.
You have people talking the specifics about sex change surgeries they've ever undergone. They talk about polyamory and like what the definitions of it are.
They celebrate when people they like they don't like die like Pat Robertson. They spike the football about it and they talk about like being hermaphrodites and how it's a it's a good thing to be.
And they also talk about zapping their buttholes with lasers that's one of the lines they do you're ruining all but we're supposed to read them okay that's fair that's fair uh now now so help me understand this is on government devices government computers during work times this is taxpayer funded and so these are trannies that are like discussing their private sex changes on these chats how did we how did we learn about this the craziest part about the whole thing charlie is that it's like they're enabled to like be pushed to the front of the line to talk about this they've created an environment where it's like this is where it's it's it's cultivated yeah it's like what they i think he has a quote in the article where they basically said that, you know, being an affirming and like a DEI environment is not just mission critical, but like mission mandatory or something. They have a very bizarre quote along those lines.
They there's one. Let me see if I can find this one.
oh wow this is a great one an intersex birth

would be a great opportunity to raise a kid as non-binary and let them choose later. Or not choose at all.
And none of these things mean that their gender wasn't a socially constructed identity. Intersex is where, of course uh you know male and female features so so i mean i guess can we all agree that trans people that are trans should not serve in the intel services so that's where this is gets crazy we'd be so or where it gets frightening i should say because this is the nsa so these are people who are good with computers they're kind of like hackers hacker types basically is who we're hiring here uh and the comorbidity between people who are into that like being a top hacker more or less and being transgender is disturbingly high so i'm inclined to agree with you but it totally makes sense so the hacker trans has a lot of overlap yes tons especially at the top so you're you're you're exempt from this because you're like chronically online and definitely not trans so but like the chronically online tend to be like more autistic more fringy more like willing to be captured by social contagions i think they have less antibodies against bad ideas is fair to say? I think it's that, but I think it's not just bad ideas.
It's, I think it's not really studied because it's one of those things where, you know, it was all supernatural and, you know, they were born that way. So we can't study it.
Honestly, what I think is it's probably if they're on the spectrum, as they say, they're probably, they probably have, one, that whole phenomenon where they describe dysphoria as being like uncomfortable in your own body, a ton of people on the spectrum are like that. You know, they're super, they have a sensory overload.
Their clothes make them uncomfortable. They can't wear like jewelry.
All of that makes them uncomfortable. Yeah, and so you can take that and say, oh, wow, that's body dys body dysphoria you're not comfortable in your body and then i think they're probably also much more prone to that like the abstraction of their identity so think about what you can do in modern video games you can design your own character oh yeah i think they're much more likely to basically imagine i can do that to myself like i can actually i'm really the character i made in this video game jack well before you know as a guy who was in the intel community before this you know i was there when the you know this was kind of like starting to seep in but let's go through the story itself a little bit more because this it's crazy that this is actually this wasn't like some disclosure by the way this is know, Tulsi Gabbard just got in his DNI.
Brad Cliff is over at CIA. But this is actually a source that leaked all of this to Chris Ruffo, if I have that correctly.
I think so. I think that is right.
And so I guess the question is for some people in the audience, Jack, do you have any, I mean, you served in the N's Health Services and you're not not gay. So, so Jack, help me understand how, how training, how training is our Intel services? More interestingly, how, like what percentage of people in the NSA are trans since it's very hacker focused, very computer.
Yeah. So, so I mean, it's non-sarcastically, I mean, is it the tranniest of all of government agencies?

No, it's actually correct. And so this this also coincides with how a lot of and and Blake, I know you and I have chatted about this in the past about how like the LGBT community took over sort of the the geek world.
So when I was in NSA was known for like, this was your geeks. The guy at the NSA is like poor social skills, low soft skills.
These are your people who would do actual LARPing as in, they would like do live at hold live action role plays at the Fort Fort Need in the cafeteria there, you know, or like on, on, you know, work events, you know to the uh dc area renaissance fair and they're holding live action role play like big lord of the rings kind of stuff and again like i'm dating myself because my experience was uh it's been almost a decade since i've been out um you know give or take but that's kind of was the bleeding edge of it when i was there is so it was the it was totally taken over by the geek squad and that very same space has a lot of overlap as well with the LGBT community this comes in through uh Tumblr it comes in through TikTok now these days and so you have this huge and a lot of it Charlie exactly as you're laying out by the way comes being super online. And so when I was getting out, I remember across the Intel community, it was this huge push for, they would call it allyship.
You know, you have to be a, you know, an ally, you have to put up the flag, especially if it's pride month, you have to put up like your little ally sticker. And I would say like, well, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm like a, like a traditional Catholic.
Like we don't really like, you know, we have issues with that religiously. Like that's comes into context with, uh, you know, comes into conflict with, with our belief system.
So, so I'm, you know, I'm just not going to do that. And, but I'm not going to like sit there and, and, you know, can try to convert people to Catholicism either.
I'm just going to actually like do my job And more and more, you saw the standup of these agencies and offices, which we now come to know as DEI and the LGBT offices that have now devolved even further and further into this. So I basically, Charlie, I guess I would have to say my basic thesis is that it seeps in through geek culture and how that was totally taken over by LGBT in the 2010s.
So let's go a step further. I think that there is a an interesting connection with how many trans people become helicopter pilots.
Have you noticed this? This is a very real thing. And I i think that i've done some thinking about it i think it's because there's some sort of like exoskeleton that is around you when you're in when you're a helicopter pilot so do they become helicopter pilots or do helicopter pilots become them trans no but there is something philosophical and ideological where let's say you're a man who thinks you're a woman and you then can assume kind of complete control of something that is not yourself and like the it you almost like it it attaches to your being is that making any sense it is a little bit it's definitely that's a real it is a real pattern am i making this up pilots do it uh obviously some like ultra masculine athletes do it uh and yeah you these like, you know, these kind of adventure types like I'm going to go fly a helicopter.
I'm going to fly small planes. I'm going to sometimes you have very hard driving businessmen come out and say, like, actually, I knew I was a woman on the inside the whole time.
Couldn't you tell when I was, you know, doing my hard-charging business career and all these other masculine interests?

Another thing that's interesting that overlaps with the NSA hacker thing, it's not widely known, but so many major online spaces, you get sort of these, like, transgender shock troops move to take them over. So, for example, Reddit, the most soy website in the world.
Moderators on Reddit, there's a ton of transgender, there's like a cabal of transgender people who are the moderators of a ton of major subreddits and so this is the 100 for example after elon musk did the you know my heart goes out to you thing they just they organized this extremely systematic get twitter banned get twitter links x links actually x links banned from reddit on all these things totally coordinated they did totally fake yeah this was the the trannies were the ones that helped organize delete Uber do you remember delete Uber early on in the Trump administration do you guys remember this it was huge where like because of all of the immigration protests it was all driven by like 10 trans activists on Reddit and they were were really good at it like really good at it another big one wikipedia wikipedia is much worse now than it was 15 years ago and a lot of it is there are super users on wikipedia who their entire life is just obsessively trying to police whatever articles they've taken over very disproportionately transgender on that one uh it it's a real thing And what is especially concerning when we talk about should this be allowed at the NSA, independent of what they're posting here, a very real trend, a trend that we have to be honest about is the thing that is very creepy with a lot of transgender people is it eventually entirely takes over their personality. and this is like They are incredibly hostile towards anyone who's impinging on this identity of theirs.
The term you'll run into is tranissaries. They are shock troops for this ideology in terms of how obsessed they are.
And it gets more and more and more extreme. And so I think I would not be surprised if we're going to see more like transgender shooters in the future.
People really whipped up and radicalized by this. We just, Blake, we literally just had a transgender serial killer cult, which involved, by the way, a number of hackers where they just got arrested, I think in like Western Maryland, out where Tim Pool, I guess he used to do a show out of there.
And of course, they don't cover it that way. The Zizians.
And this was a huge group that was conducting transgender fueled slash vegan fueled violence and murder across the country for years. And yet this is something that like the true crime community is never going to talk about.
It's something the mainstream media is not going to talk about. They'll say stuff like, oh, they were, I think I caught the USA Today headline when it was out.
I took a picture of it. It said there was an odd twist.
There was an odd twist when they, when they captured the members of the cult, an odd twist that they were all vegan transgender radicals. Just an odd twist, though, as a mainstream media.
But so if you actually study this, it does go back to, you know, it's like Norman Bates, right? It's something that Hitchcock would talk about where, you know, there clearly is a key issue fundamentally, which of course, dysphoria is a mental issue. It clearly is a mental issue.
And it was in the DSM until very recently that can generate these types of feelings. And so that's one of the reasons why there was that trans individual that was arrested at the Capitol who came in with Molotov cocktails and a loaded nine millimeter and was going to kill Scott Besant during his confirmation hearings,

but originally wanted to target Pete Hegseth. Why? Because Pete Hegseth was pushing, and I think at this point, has signed now the trans ban in the military.
And so they view that, as Blake exactly what you're saying, this direct attack on their identity. And so when you listen to their chat rooms or you listen to their writings and you see this in some of these trans killers in their suicide notes, they'll say we had to do this because the world was after us.
We had to respond. Violence was the only answer because they really do view it as a direct physical attack on their identity.
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And we were talking before the show a little bit about how the intelligence community recruits. And most of it's, I mean, we've seen this like in big organizations.
At Turning at turning point for example there's certain personality types that fit into certain jobs and you have to wonder i mean not wonder it's pretty obvious that the opening of the gay agenda within government and just the lgbtq you know especially with the trans community this is kind of you have to assume it's pushed people who are mentally ill, trans, into these jobs, these very important jobs. And how crazy is it? I mean, you just brought up, like the masters of Reddit and Wikipedia, who are the people who oversee everything.
I mean, these are basically the same types that are overseeing all the confidential information all the the gatekeeping that happens within the intelligence communities and now they're basically the only those are the only jobs they can fulfill more than a decade ago Snowden said they had all these cases of they called it like Lovant where NSA employees were abusing their powers to basically spy on people they were interested in oh yeah now imagine how insanely abusive you could get if you're a you know politically radicalized person of that proclivity opening the door to these these personality types though is basically shoving them into these very important jobs which that i mean you gotta you gotta address that sensitive like espionage related positions to people who as their core identity are powerfully delusional and they have no other opportunity they have to go into these jobs because they can't be front-facing civilian jobs they can't be military-esque jobs within the intelligence agencies they have to go into these dark rooms behind the scenes where nobody sees them like the personality type that charlie's. So it's basically this, this entire channel and by gayifying the entire government more has made, basically open the door to the entire trans community, taking over maybe the most important, most critical, most sensitive element of intelligence.
I don't know that. I mean, I don't want to overly generalizeize but i'd say that narcissistic personality and trans overlaps yeah and would you say that's true narcissism and trans oh for sure for sure oh yeah and in politics there's a lot of it's all narcissism oh yeah and so therefore you see a lot of that represented and but can we all agree on thought crime that people that are afflicted by the trans ideology have no place in the military or the intel services? Would that stand up in an executive order? The intel services one.
Intel services, it would probably be tough given— The military has stood up in court. The military, it's stood up because I think the president basically has special commander-in he could do whatever he wants yeah and it's not intel services they're technically civilian and you just run into are they technically civilian though i don't think that's true like it's enough i feel like it's enough my guess is it would just dia and all the it would run into that freaking boss stock there's overlap everyone's talking jack so so explain to me how if you are intercepting communications that might have to do with the Ayatollah Company that is civilian.
Explain that to me. It just has to do with the way that it's scheduled.
So you could be civilian. However, the NSA is directly a service component that works with DOD.
So you've got, I'll put it this way, you've got a mix of civilian and DOD that are working together.

So like, for example, I was Navy intelligence as a civilian, but I was also working with people who are in the Navy in uniform. So you've got, and the NSA is, of course, under the Department of Defense, but it's got civilians who work there as well.
So it's, yeah, it's a little bit of both. You've got your civilian like GS employees, but you've also got military, you've got military authorities because they're a duty agency as well as uniformed military soldiers that are, you know, like conducting the actual cryptological work of, as you say, intercepting, you know, the Ayatollahs or, you know, the Russians or the Chinese whoever it is so the that makes sense i got it but let's let's kind of take a step back or a step to the side here blake should there be other restrictions for trans people of working in our government and period i mean it's hard and is that constitutional it gets tougher i mean I don't think we want to say like just because a person is, you know, delusional or nuts, they're not allowed to have any kind of job.
No, I mean, let's play this out, though. I mean, hold on.
If someone is bipolar, schizophrenic and starts screaming in their workplace, you could make an argument that person should not serve at the Department of Interior. You could.
But what if they're just, you know, I guess if they're just a perv basically like i'm asking a question should trans people be allowed to serve in the federal government i'm i'm a hard no and it's just the simple like the explanation that we've we've all been talking about it's just like you we have to diagnose this as mental illness and that's what it is and you have to live by just a very black and white if you're mentally ill you shouldn't serve the people and it's the same thing this is just this is where i'm at and this look there's a place where people can decide this and that's by electing them that's the beauty of the republic like delaware yeah if you're mentally ill enough you have a community of mentally ill people that want to elect someone to represent you. That's mentally ill.
Great. Be my guest.
That's your way to serve, but you shouldn't be able to, uh, simply be able to like have somebody that's not mentally ill fall for this trap that we just saw for the last four years where you basically put at the highest level mentally ill people and then basically you have the again the the the patients running the insane asylum and that's where we were at the last four years this is why we're in such a bad spot so it's got to be a hard yes or no in my opinion all right um i think we have jack do you uh would you like to increase the temperature of thought crime here or bring it down? You have a choice here. Fork in the road.
Increase. Increase.
Increase. I mean, again, gender dysphoria is in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
Not anymore. Not anymore.
Before the insurance company. DSM-4 it is, but not DSM-5.
Sorry to, you know, fact check. I think gender dysphoria is still in four.
I gender dysphoria is still in four i am 90 i think it was gender disorder in four let me ask i think they have gender dysphoria and then the cure of course is that you get no i think they got rid of the term altogether let me say i'm asking my perplexity um no you're right it is there but what is what did i read in some book keep going jack i'm not trying to oh yeah so it changed from the sm4 so it changed the term as a disorder to just gender dysphoria so let me just be clear yeah so it was gender disorder a gender identity disorder it is no longer a disorder so they consider it a thing but there's nothing wrong with you does that make sense so i guess for the insurance yeah so for the insurance you have to be in the dsm as something so to exactly but there's nothing wrong associated with this but you need insurance but politically speaking right they you know for political purposes they've they've had to say nothing's wrong but again you're still in the manual of mental disorders so if you're in the manual of mental disorders should you be are you you the type of person that should be given access to this level of information? Are you the type of person that should be allowed a Yankee white and you can go around the president or have access to the PDB and all of these different things? And this is a serious question that should actually be asked. Again, given their own inclinations about the things that they've said regarding their disorder with identity, it's right there.
And so this is something, by the way, which used to come up on the SF86. It used to be something that would be asked on the polygraph, all of which was taken away from the intelligence services, all of which was taken away from the military.
But it used to be a very obvious question. Look, at the end of the day, these services are not made for gender experimentation and social experimentation.
The purpose of the IC is to protect people and give indications and warnings of when our country is about to be under attack, or U.S. interests are about to be under attack, or something there which of.
These are the same, this is the same intelligence community that we are told had no idea that Thomas Matthew Crooks was about to climb on a roof and take potshots at President Trump and kill Corey Campatori, the same intelligence community that got so many things wrong over the years. And so, no, we shouldn't have to cater to every social interest or mental disorder that's out there when it comes to the intelligence community or when it comes to the military.
And it's really as simple as all that. Okay.
Let's go to Luigi. All right.
Okay. I want to read one last quote from them just because it was so amazing.
This is one of the ones from the NSA chat. Hi, it, its user here.
That's their pronouns. They're an it.
While I understand we can make some people uncomfortable, keep in mind that the dehumanizing aspect either a doesn't apply or b is a positive effect when we're requesting it smiley mo yeah totally sane person okay yeah ban them kick them out all right there we go now we're on to luigi all right so this is an amazing story that just happened so uh obviously uh we've got luigi let me bring it up here so luigi the uh shooter guy is uh still luigi mangioni who is in prison to remind everyone he assassinated the united healthcare ceo shot him in the back terrible allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly even though it's on camera and so apparently this is reported in the mirror so it's a tabloid but it's probably true it's just too trashy for normal publications to do it apparently luigi mangioni has had to ask fans to limit the number of photos that are sent to him by fans in prison to five a piece because police are complaining that they have to review all the photos he's receiving from fans uh he's also receiving many tens of thousands of dollars actually i think over a hundred thousand dollars in donations to his legal defense fund someone sent him thirty thousand dollars recently on his uh whatever crowdfunding site is and there's there's a lot of fandom for luigi i think we very much have to consider we have to very much consider the idea that you could get a hung jury from like a deranged leftist who's just in favor of what he did charlie kirk here in this new year it's going to be exciting 2025 is bringing a regime change in america a chance to reorder and make things right again in our country why Why not do the same thing for you and your family? Now's the time to hit your financial reset button. And my friends, Andrew Delray and Todd Avakian with Sierra Pacific Mortgage are the only ones I trust to help you do that.
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Go to andrewandtodd.com. So, Jack, you believe you have clarity on the why.
I seek to know. Okay.
So I seek to understand the the phenomena here i think what he did was in total cold blood i just think it's disgusting why why do so many people not just so there's two elements here there's the kaczynski i get that okay girls like bad boys they don't have fathers around they don't have boyfriends blah blah blah okay fine you know that's one you know one other thing the other part is why is there mass like quiet support for what he did does that make sense so there's two there's two elements here the worst the bad boy phenomena i'm not that interested in that's been well documented from kaczynski to eric rudolph ted bundy Ted Bundy, that that's been, you know, that's been figured out. Help me understand.
Right. Help me understand the other part, please.
Yeah, Charlie. So the reason that the far left lionizes Luigi Mangione, by the way, they keep saying, you know, they keep saying, oh, he's the innocent.
Luigi's innocent. I said, well, if he's innocent, why do you love him so much if he didn't do anything? Or if he didn't do anything, why do you love him so much? This was the thesis of my New York Times bestseller last year on humans, how the secret history of communist revolutions and how to crush them.
And we described the far left and communists as people who would support and love a character like Luigi Mangione. We specifically said that these are the types of individuals who they would support because we said they're, look, the communists will tell you all day long they support justice and equality.
And the cultural Marxist, of course, will talk about identity and diversity and race and gender and all these things we were just talking about in the last segment. But in reality, that's not true.
That's not what actually drives them. The unhuman, right, the communist, it's an intense hatred of beauty, success, those who thrive, anyone who they view as prosperous, viewing them as oppressors that need to be torn down.
They believe in this oppressor class versus oppressed class. And here's the key, by the way, Charlie, here's the key way to, I think, make anyone see the difference between what Mangione did and how it's not actually about, oh, healthcare companies or anything, which by the way, you know, the left, of course, were the same people who told us that we were supposed to love healthcare, and healthcare is great.
These were during COVID-19 that we're supposed to listen to the healthcare and trust the experts. But suddenly, oh, no, go and kill them at the same time.
You're like, wait a minute, this is complete doublespeak. But to the leftist, to the communist, it's not.
And Charlie, I'll explain why. It has nothing to do with his direct position.
Even though he was wealthy, he was certainly wealthy, but actually, ironically, or perhaps not ironically, the individual, Luigi Mangione, his family was actually more wealthy than his victim, his alleged victim here, the CEO. But what is he really, Charlie? He's a successful white heterosexual male.
And in cultural Marxism, so all forms of Marxism have a specific enemy. They have a specific devil, to use Eric Hoffer's phrase.
So not all mass movements require a God, but all mass movements require a devil. Their mass movement, the mass movement devil right now is white, male, heterosexual, Christian.
You add all of these things together and that is what they cheer the killing of, especially if you're successful. Now, let me ask you this question, Charlie.
If that healthcare, if this was really about healthcare, do you think they'd be just as cavalier? You mentioned turning up the temperature. Do you think they'd be just as cavalier about cheering on Luigi Maggioni if the healthcare CEO, hypothetically, I'm not talking about anyone in real life, but if he had been, oh, I don't know, a black male CEO in a committed same-sex marriage, then of course they wouldn't be cheering him on.
They wouldn't be excited. They wouldn't be happy about this.
They're doing so because he took out one of their individual targets that they view as part of the enemy class in society and have taken all of that incipient rage and deceptiveness and destructiveness and obsession with power and nihilism and turned it against you, the white male over class. And this guy went further than anyone else has been willing to go thus far.
Well, can I add this to the scariest part about this whole thing? We've talked about this at length before on. I was well subject on this show and to piggyback on Jack's entire, you know, this is his entire mantra is talking about this and educating on this is when you uh get the communists together and normalize it and we've talked about if the communists in the country and the blm folks and everyone else became uh nationalistic that's a very scary moment that's we've said this on this program if they get smart and and that's and that's on immigration crime and trans those are the three things and that's the scary part about this thing is is it normalizes the normal the normalizing of the hatred for this executive which i've seen a ton of stuff from very normal people posting and like again i don't know if you guys have seen it with friends and wives and things like that, but like my wife has seen people really aggrandizing this guy.
And it's, it's scary because it's the normalizing of this very communist behavior that, that Jack just so eloquently went through. I'm looking at his defense fund right now.
It is $618 thousand dollars as of this moment uh just some

of the quotes these are people within the last hour uh maybe the next health care ceo that gets whacked it will be done by someone more professional who knows what they're doing and won't advertise it uh keep up the good work from new zealand the shooter is a hero who assassinated a terrorist leader uh let's see uh mangi only for president uh

uh leader uh let's see uh mangioni for president uh oh there's just a free my homie more free my home yeah so let's let's take a step back like i think this is important when i talk to boomers about this they're kind of really disconnected from it not to criticize them can you please educate how much of a cultural icon he has become oh enormous no explain it because i talked to all people the people like what do you mean he's criminal is terrible nobody likes him no talk about how there's real viral subterranean momentum for this okay so yeah first of all the reason they don't see it a ton of it is on tiktok it's on instagram it's on platforms they're not on uh it frankly it's weird to say it helps a lot that is his name is luigi mangioni and people are familiar with Super Mario, Mario's brother is Luigi. That's an important component.
It made it very easy to, you know, you can go on the AI platforms and you can make AI images where it's like Luigi assassinating a healthcare CEO or you make the CEO guy. We have one right there.
Just you have Luigi assassinating Bowser in a business business suit and so it's really easy to it was very easy to kind of turn it into a visible I hate to say the word but fun thing uh you're taking this children's video game that's very colorful you know you've got those Luigi hats you can buy those online anywhere he also comes off not psycho too right yeah so I mean I again I say this as with a staunch unblemished record of heterosexuality he seems to be a good-looking guy it seems so he's good looking so you got the jody area situation we get the seinfeld clip of the unblemished record of heterosexuality i mean i look at luigi and i say okay he do you agree blake blake by the way if you're afraid to talk about this then just no i'm i'm just i feel like you guys are always protesting your heterosexuality and then you, okay, he... Do you agree, Blake? Blake, by the way, if you're afraid to talk about this, then...
No, I'm just... I feel like you guys are always protesting your heterosexuality, and then you're like, oh, Lord of the Rings felt really gay when I watched it.
Every movie I watched feels really gay when I watched it. We cannot spit out.
Like, do you want to go back to the, like, Reddit topic, or do we want to kind of stay... Look, I'm saying we the thing that that really is bizarre to me about the normalization of this guy is and this is what's scary and i think this again piggybacks on what everything that jack is saying is that the more figures like this that make uh this this proletarian type behavior normal, uh, is going to not help in the, in the broader context of how the direction of the country needs to go.
So the thing that I think freaks me the most out again about communists is if they, you know, become everyday type people, it's the same thing that, that the left says about like how they view right-wing you know anarchists you know that that want to demolish government the more normal it's becoming and our side has done a better job at having more normal figures in general obviously not crazy people killing people on the street but that's that's communism that's what communism is is crazy people killing people on the street and the normalization of that i mean that literally is 1917 russian revolution forget even just russia every single communist revolution yeah like that you know the biggest greatest you know most successful version of it in russia you know you could argue is that's where you know that's that that is the binding element and that's what's so scary about this situation is this almost has the elements is if he was more of a political figure and more well known where would we be right now i mean that's a scary thought so here's here's a possible thought so let's say luigi mangioni goes on trial and he 100 doesn't contest he did it they're overt defenses I did it it was a good thing jury nullification and the jury nullifies it and they they vote that way he's a free man what if what if trump said okay and he drone strikes him well no trump should then find federal charges against him i mean there's got to be some interstate law that he broke conspiracy to commit murder at that moment you got to bring the doj and the DOJ in, take him out of New York. I'm not kidding.
Put him on trial in like Trumpsburg, Alabama or something? I'm not making a joke. I'm saying I guarantee you there's some sort of – in fact, this is an important thing.
I might message Pam Bondi about it, because I'm saying it publicly or privately. The Fed should quietly be building a case just in case of, okay, is there interest? Was he sending text messages? Is there because he fled across state lines, right? All this stuff, you can get him for more.
I don't want to say ticky tack, but less one second check less like, OK, not just the murder itself, which I think does also violate, by the way, federal law. You're not allowed to murder.
I mean, there's a federal terrorism charge now. Yeah.
the way the the local prosecutor should have some humility if he feels as if it's going to drop the charges meaning you can you could you could basically do a motion to dismiss before the jury meets and then you could refile does that make right as soon as the jury comes and says not guilty it's double jeopardy you literally can't uh but yeah i mean i think that there is a there is a place now now understand though if one hung juror that doesn't mean that he's acquitted though no then they could so they could so he's going to spend the rest of his life in some sort of this is too graphic i think we're not at a place now where we're going to allow this guy back on the streets but unless you have like a like a munich type situation go on and you turn him into a political figure. I mean, this is literally Munich.
You mean with Hitler? Yeah. All right.
So just so we're clear, this is me with Luigi Maggioni. Play Cup 153.
Can I say one thing to you? And I say this with an unblemished record of staunch heterosexuality absolutely it's fabulous you can't say fabulous now so good yeah that was that was okay so george could still get away with what i was gonna say and i think tyler was kind of good at it too is like like you you lock him up without dealing with any of the underlying pieces of it that you just make him a martyr right you just You just make him a political prisoner. And that's not going to actually do anything to change the public perception of him.
And in fact, it's going to gall- I mean, you look at some of the horrific people that Joe Biden pardoned on the way out, and they've done the exact same thing with them. The guy who murdered those FBI agents or some of the horrific killers that you see getting rehabilitated in.
Again, I'll go back to the true crime community because they're just so awful and disgusting and leftist. And they'll find just, you know, Julius Jones, Rodney Reed, you know, these horrific, unrepentant murderers and try to say, or that it was the guy, the guy in Baltimore, the one with the New York Times podcast, et cetera.
And they'll just say, oh, gosh, it was a case of mistaken identity. It was racism, whatever.
So we got to let him out. And in some of those cases, they do actually get out, Charlie, like you're saying.
The bigger, I think, issue, though, here is this stuff is normalized because we live in a society where a Gini coefficient is getting really bad. And the Gini coefficient is, it literally means just the disparity between the haves and the have nots.
So this is where Trump comes in and says, look, you know, we can actually work to make the middle class better. We can make life better for the working class and stop screwing them over and not making the rich get so fabulously wealthy.
And so Trump, hopefully, if he's successful, if his project of populist nationalism is successful, and people really do change their ways, I mean, like the Republican Party actually moves to a populist nationalist model and stops trying to flood us with like cheap migrant labor into the heartland of the country, then maybe we can get to a place where as living standards go up, support for insane nut job communists like Mangione goes down. The problem is if, say, you know, we hadn't gotten on that, gotten on that path of having Trump involved and actually getting to a populist nationalist moderate approach to dealing with these issues, then yes, there would be a huge appetite for real, full-on communism in this country.
And you definitely see that expressed with the support for Luigi Maggioni. That's what it really is.
They want to see more people shot in the streets. They want to see probably all four of us on this podcast shot in the streets, and they would have our children taken away and given off to whatever couple wanted to adopt them and they would cheer they would absolutely cheer to watch it happen and how do we know this well just go look at their chat rooms of course we get death threats all the time that's who these people are so yeah so does this teach us anything about our politics that we should be concerned about well i'll just interject this i think the i think the mistake is to look at him like a ted bundy or a jody areas and just look at him for good looks oh he's he's he's wooing the women i think that's actually a piece to what we're talking about it's really important for people to be really well educated on this is that there is a much deeper bigger problem politically here that jack again led into this entire thing with is that this is a way bigger issue this is not just a simple dismiss the murderer type thing can i i'm going to mention something blake's not going to like fbi launched an investigation into james comey oh yeah we'll see are you you okay with that one? Because of an off-the-books honeypot operation targeting 2016 Trump campaign.
That's big. That's interesting if that's a honeypot operation.
I'd love to see the details on that. This all ties in with Dan Bongino going in.
So new leadership at the FBI is starting an investigation into the origins of the agency's plan a decade ago to infiltrate trump's campaign using two female undercover honeypot agents that is crazy if true holy off the book this is reported as fact one second jack the off the books investigation launched in 2015 by james comey was revealed by an agency whistleblower in a protected to the House Judiciary Committee last year and was first reported exclusively by Washington Times. So this apparently has been out there.
Wow. And the intel community in the intel community, a honeypot commonly refers to an undercover operative, usually a woman who feigns sexual romantic interest to obtain information from a target.
Jack. So what this is about, this is actually good.
This

is very, very good that this is happening because the communists will not stop until they are

stopped. So we talked about how we've got these gay race communists in our intel communities.

So you remember a certain senator from Wisconsin telling us that communists were taking over the

CIA, but I digress. And now we've got, we know, of course, that we've got communists all throughout the DOJ and the prior iteration of the FBI.
And the issue with fighting communism is one thing that we learned throughout all of this is that the only way to actually stop communism is to stop the communists themselves. You're not going to, you're not going to win, you know, you're not going to go up to some ardent Luigi Maggioni supporter and say, stop supporting him.
Come on, man. It doesn't work that way.
What you have to do is you have to have to find the individuals and you have the people who have actually broken the law in furtherance of their radical ideology. So we're obviously seeing that here.
We saw that throughout 2016, 2017, anyone who was around for the Trump 45 administration certainly saw that you find them and it's not going to end until you reach parity with the understanding that we're not going to use this insane lawfare anymore. The only way you get rid of that is through mutually assured destruction.
It's called the Code of Hammurabi. And the reason it works is because that's what creates the essentials for allowing civilization to prosper.
The communist is against civilization. The communist wants to use the tools of civilization to destroy you, to destroy their enemies, destroy everything else.
But of course, what ends up happening, civilization is disrupted and dissolved in the same process because that's what they've done. They've destroyed the very tapestry and the infrastructure that allows civilization to be possible.
These basic ideas of laws that are just, laws that are actually provide a limit to what you respond with. And so the only way to re-insure that is you've got to you got to fight fire with fire and that's exactly what they're doing here i completely applaud this and i back it 100 hey everybody charlie kirk here brand new year brand new opportunities to change the world for the better it's easier than you might think you can save babies by providing ultrasounds with pre-born.
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All right. So the starting point of this is just that Elon Musk tweeted a few days ago, just one of his one liners that like the AI singular.

I think is that the AI singularity is near. Is that what he tweeted? It was.
Yeah. So we are on the event horizon of the singularity.
That's the tipping point of a black hole where you can't get out of it, basically. and uh so for those who aren't who've missed it the singularity is the idea that we could improve ai to the point where an ai is smarter than a human and the ai is therefore capable of improving itself we were still about 10 years out from that right we it was one of those things we're perpetually 10 years out from for for decades on end since it was coined and then i think with the chat gpt off a couple of years ago, it feels suddenly much more relevant that we could be close to that.
We've seen the AI models have gotten a lot better in the last two years. They've gotten a lot better in the last six months.
There are allegedly abilities that we can see that are behind the scenes and are not public yet that are getting better and better and better. The question is, would it ever reach reach the point where as it was if they are able to improve themselves without our input the idea is you could just take turn on the ai and it's able to go run away improve itself make more ais make better ais and then in theory within kill us all a matter of not even just kill us all it could be there are people who think this is paradise we have the AI and it solves all of our problems that you could set it off.
And in a month, it comes back and it says, I've advanced physics and chemistry and biology by a thousand years each. And I figured out how to make unlimited food and unlimited energy.
And we can sail to the stars and you're all immortal now. And that that's in theory what the good singularity could be.
The bad singularity is it becomes a runaway intelligence and it decides to turn all of us into paperclips yeah so i think the first concern is that the amount of physical energy that it takes to do that i don't think the infrastructure has been built yet like that's an actual problem it is like the data servers alone microsoft and this is interesting while the people are saying we might be on the event horizon microsoft just canceled a ton of leases for their ai servers. Did you see that story? I did not.
They just said like, oh, sorry, we're not advancing this. Yeah, it's really interesting.
So everyone's bullish on AI. Microsoft, three trillion.
Yeah, and they're like, sorry, we got to slow this down a little bit. We can't quite keep up with it.
The amount of physical energy it takes to power AI, we have that capacity. That infrastructure is not built.
So it's like a million times more energy intense than mining Bitcoin. Yeah, exactly.
It is very interesting because each – they have to train these basically. And the training is you're just feeding it essentially every image, every sentence, every piece of music ever created to find all the patterns.
and every time they upgrade it so we started with you know gpt1 gpt2 and of course all the spinoffs kind of every time they upgrade the quality apparently the amount of energy they have to put into training is is like an order of magnitude that's right and we don't yet have the infrastructure to do that and we now have insane demand for ai so we're about to see is an ai traffic jam the likes of which that are really is going to take people off but the flip side of this is also crazy which is have you heard about deep seek yeah the chinese thing so the chinese thing but what's crazy with the i know more about ai than i do about what's crazy with deep seek is that the chinese according to themselves people have wondered if it true. But the people who made DeepSeek claim they trained this AI, which is not quite as good, but almost as good as the top-end models we have.
And they reportedly did it much cheaper and much faster. I know, but they're communists.
They're probably lying. Even if it's half.
But there's a lot of cope about China. Have you seen this video of the AI talking to each other? There's see so i did actually see blake i did actually see there was some there was some reporting that it looked like it they had used they had trained deep seek from open ai so like they had already used an iteration of open ai that existed i guess chat gpt or one of the gpts that's out there and that had used it just built like building on what was already out there, which would certainly go along with how China operates.
I don't think that China would be precluded from creating something like this, by the way. And Charlie, to your point about the massive energy expenditures, I mean, China loves their mega projects.
There's nothing that China loves more than mega projects. Yeah.
So I'm not believing that singularity is going to be hit anytime soon be and here's why you know the singularity paradox that you actually never know if it hits singularity like with an actual singular or the tech one no because the ai right now could tell you that it's self-aware but it's actually not self-aware it's just parroting something that it read on the internet knowing that that's what you say when it's singular.

It's like the Turing test.

Yeah, exactly.

So you actually don't know if it's ever...

So you actually will never know if singularity

is actually ever reached.

Well, the singularity just describes how fast it can improve.

Well, no, technically singularity means that it is self-aware,

that it knows it is a machine and you are not.

But that's sentience.

That's sentience, I think is what you're thinking of.

No, I think that's singularity, isn't it, Jack?

Singularity is the point of just logarithmic improvement, I believe, is what that usually refers to. No, I think I'm right, aren't I, Ryan? I think I'm – did I just correct – did I just fact-check Blake? I don't think – Ryan says, no, Blake, you're actually wrong for once.
This is why – No, no. Hold on, hold on.
Charlie just corrected Blake. Charlie, why don't you read the first line of technological singularity here? Time out.
It's a hypothetical point in which the technological growth goes uncontrollably reversible, resulting in unforeseeable consequence. But I need to read this whole thing.
Well, it's... I come to see Charlie Faction.
I think Charlie, what you're saying is probably the more common way of saying it. Sorry, I'm not going to concede the point that I'm wrong.
I think the official phrase is like like when it surpasses us yeah so so let me just but it's you're basically saying the same thing i don't let me let me ask you a provocative question and i could do ai all day long because i think it's the most interesting thing happening everything else is a distraction i think ai is the most important thing happening on the planet right now like more important than everything and i actually I think it can be really exciting and also terrifying. If singularity is reached, Jack, is it a species? You know, what's funny is, so I rewatched The Matrix last weekend and I guess I forgot how much of the buildup in that movie is it's all based around AI.
It's all based around AI becomes self-aware,

and then they eventually become a breakaway species from us,

and then they launch a war with us, humans,

and then humans black out the sky because the AIs are all solar powered,

and that's what creates this huge dystopia,

which then causes the robots to want to make humans into their batteries. And that's what they create the matrix for.
They, you know, kind of kind of hand waving a few things. There's probably other power sources out there than than human beings.
But still, the the idea that your AI can eventually or oh, you know, actually, Charlie, the craziest video that I saw this weekend for everybody was and I'm sure this was probably, you know, an ad, but has anyone seen that video of the AI agents talking to each other? Yeah, I was just talking about it. That was the thing that went viral this week that everybody was looking at.
It was so viral. Yeah.
Which it's probably not. I mean, it's probably a little bit, you know, set up.
So the idea of an AI agent is sort of like, you know, hey, we got to book travel or we've got to book a, you know, Charlie's got Turning Point's got a, you know, a series of campus stops and, you know, Charlie Kirk's coming in. We need this much crew.
We need this much time. We need permits, et cetera.
So you would get an AI agent that would go in and, you know, do all that busy work for you, make the phone calls and go through all the logistics work of it. Or, you know, when Amvest is going on and everyone's got to deal with all that, you would get an AI agent.
So, you know, Turning Point Actions event staff would get an AI agent to do all those phone calls and one that can speak. Well, in this video, an AI agent, it's planning a wedding in the video, which I'm sure is an ad, but it realizes that the person that they're speaking to over the phone is in fact an AI agent for the wedding venue, and which is a hotel in this case.
And so they say, oh, do you want to switch to gibberish speak? And gibberish speak is this like, basically, it sounds like a dial up modem for anyone who remembers what that sound is. sound is.
And you just hear these two computers going back and forth and like... And yeah, I mean, I don't know how you describe that other than this is another species that we are creating right now.
So the question then is also what's so interesting is that it's a species just on a server that technically exists at the will of us. If you take a hammer, you could destroy the species.
Yeah. Does the species get rights? I mean, or what if they can create more, you know, they can create more instances of themselves.
But how? How do they physically expand beyond a server? That's where it starts to get interesting. Technically, they're literally just housed on a server.
That is the most technical way that you can. It's going to be illegal to ever decommission a server? No, I mean, look, I think...
And by the way, it could multiply itself through robots. And robots are coming very quickly.
Yeah. Way more so than...
By the way, I have a whole conspiracy theory. The media is underplaying the advancement of robots.
Totally. And if you talk to the smart tech investors, they like they're fully functional they're ready to go the rollout is coming mass unemployment is around the corner like it is like why would you not run like a mcdonald's with that how is that not like the number one i mean again we're talking like systemic racism or doge all that stuff's interesting like we have there is this barreling train that's about to change everything like change the species as we know it yeah it's uh automated vehicles robot i will say in the short term i'm i'm i am more bullish on ai because i think it actually can make human beings better what we already do i my fear is that that's gonna be a short-lived window is that it's gonna be like a five to ten year golden era we need to consider it a priority to figure this out well to figure it out and to make sure that like the benefits are widely distributed as opposed to like the possibility is just the guy who owns the robot owns everything these are moral questions and that's why it comes back to why we're conservatives not libertarians everything that's why i think it's the most interesting thing that's facing humanity is it all comes back to well we need a need a neutral public space.
There is no neutral public space or AI. There is.
You need to make truth claims. Do human beings matter? Does life matter? Who gets the stuff? Why do they get that stuff? AI is going to force us into the most important moral conversation since Christ.
I really believe that. And it really, to take a step back for a moment, think about what this shows you about politics.
If you went back 10 back 10 years 2016 trump is running for president and you told them yeah in 10 years by far the biggest political issue is going to be how we handle like ai and robots because they're going to replace absolutely everyone and that's going to be way more important than like the border for example and it would it would feel wild to say the border won't even matter yeah it'll be like it'll render the border irrelevant because it'll just be the machines are replacing everyone and it shows how quick like an issue can feel obsolete or come out of nowhere to be the biggest the machines will build the wall and like terrorism no one will ever be talking about islamic like terrorism as a big issue so what's going to happen then in this country we were just talking about the communism thing what's going to happen we've got all these imported cheap foreign laborers uh from the hB and H1B and all the rest of these programs? And now they can't get jobs because we've got robots doing all of it. Listen, we're going towards a mass social welfare state.
And the only way that they're going to be able to spin it is that there's going to be a robot tax where every robot that is working is going to be like 50,000 bucks a year to the government that you're going to have to pay that will go to a UBIT. That idea has been floated.
That's where we're heading. It's coming very quickly.
And there will be a short window where companies are going to be able to use robots to maximize profits. There'll be huge worker strikes.
Congress will meet. There'll be like 50,000 tax per robot as a user tax.
So it's like, hey, if you replace a human being, you have to pay for a human being, basically. It's going to be a one for one.
Well, those big monopolies will take total control of everything in that small window. Of course.
And so I'm saying like these are insane questions that we're facing. But at the other time, there's incredibly bullish interpretations to the sector that I'm most excited about.
Not on the mRNA vaccine thing, but just the number one problem with medicine and health care is data. No one knows what you your background why is it does someone else in singapore also have your condition what helped for them what's their full history read your genome read your you know read all your sorts of different you know diet you know your blood work no human being can possibly do it it's not possible there's millions of data input inputs that come to our do you have a predisposition to cancer are you developing a heart problem ai the most exciting advancement of all of it is how it could reduce unjust suffering imagine if we without a doubt the most imagine if trump came in and it's like we're going to do spend 10 billion dollars to figure out how to use ai to make like medicare and medicaid more efficient yes we're just saying for things like we're going to find out if you have a predisposition to cancer by age 35,

which the technology there is there.

I mean, we already run the VA hospitals.

Just be like, we're going to do totally AI and VA hospitals to figure out how to treat people

and like reduce the number of staff.

The scary ramifications.

Hey, Charlie.

Okay, Jack.

Yes.

And I was going to say, what about we know there's certain percentage of people who have adverse adverse effects to marijuana. Like we know there's a certain amount of people who, who take it and do get what they, you know, they used to refer to this as reefer madness.
Some people get it. Some people don't.
So what if you, what if you're running your genome through that and you find out, Oh, look, I, I am like 90% risk of getting this. Yeah, exactly.
here's and i'll close with this because i know tyler's got to run and i got to run there is a temptation to think we're going to enter into a star trek world where no one owns anything and there's no currency i think it's going to be a lot clumsier than that i think that if we don't have good leadership and statesmen of the churchillian type this will get us into war the likes of which we've never seen. There will be revolution in the streets.
It'll make the Russian Revolution look like child's play. If 5,000 people own everything and robots are running the world, there will be a workers' revolt that no one can control.
So these are the most—I just want everyone to—you can mark this down. February 2025, this is going to this will redefine everything everything AI makes tyranny easier so we have to worry totally and that's the other thing that's you want to go into like the deep dark conversations on this on the online is thinking about how voting is impacted how people are elected because of it's like the the disgusting scary part of this world is that you will this is the reason why everyone is so you know you know lindellian about the machines is like ai's impact on how internet impacts mass voting is very scary very scary stuff again that that's actually where i'm really excited though is that it's the human being it's us that are going to have to solve these questions and people like oh you know this is really eventful if you think that trump 2024 was eventful wait for 2032 when we have to answer the highest stakes questions and these are not easy questions it's like what is the role of the state what does liberty mean if you have a robot that does everything what do you do do all day long? Is this going to make people happier and more miserable, more suicidal and more flourishing? Why even have kids? These are really important questions.
What is God? Why are we here? I mean, of cosmological significance. I'm excited for it because I think we're way better equipped as conservatives and as Christians to engage in this than a secular materialist.
What is their answer? Oh, neutral public square because I'm Sam harris like shut up you're not equipped you read the ones who are just like i don't even bother saving for retirement because i'm so convinced like the ai apocalypse is coming that no i'm just gonna die again well the aliens are supposed to protect us from that i i inherently reject doomerism i'm more interested that it's gonna it i think that we are being as a movement prepared for this window of time where you know we complain you know oh the boomers this like gen z millennials when we get towards peak political maturity in 10 15 or 20 years all of this experience is going to have a crescendo where we're going to be answering and deciding and governing. It will be like the Magna Carta for human beings.
I know that might sound like a hyperbole, but like 500 years from now, they're going to look back and be like, wow, in 2040, that original declaration of rights of here's what AI does and here's what it doesn't do. And then we chart the path the path for the next thousand years that's how important this is it's bigger than like solving wars and the border all that stuff's important this is the stuff that will determine whether or not we exist as a species but the only government that can do is america the american people are the only ones i think predisposed to answer those questions and man you want to talk about again i could talk about the rest of the world's a disaster i've done so much thing about this there will be such a revealing moment of someone that's nakedly bought by corporations that will make a short-term deal yeah where they're like and they'll just do it for money or a payoff where these corporations are like i can displace 99 of my workforce and like that's going to expose our politics in a way that will make people revolt.
So anything else you want to add to that? I'm still right about singularity. No, actually.
No, I'm definitely. I read it right here.
The singularity involves emergence of artificial general intelligence, AGI, which means it has human level cognitive abilities followed by artificial super intelligence. That's what I said.
Which would exceed human abilities that would allow it to have sentience and self-awareness. Yes.
But then it's the super intelligence where it improves faster. That's why it's a singularity.
It improves so fast. Like, it instantly changes everything.
If you just have a person who's equal to a human or, you know, slightly below a human, like Tyler here or something, then you would, it's not a singularity then. It's just just like a thing that happened it's when you can create someone smarter than a human who can then make it itself even smarter because it's smarter than us that's what makes it a singularity i think everything's preparing us for this i think it's the purpose of why we are here i'm not kidding i think this is the most you guys can laugh the same way that like de soto and Columbus, you know, discovered the new world.

There's a new world waiting for us.

And we need to figure out why we're like,

what is our purpose?

And it's,

we cannot allow it to sneak up on us.

The Magna Carta for humanity.

Remember it,

write it down.

And until then,

keep committing thought.

Thanks so much for listening,

everybody.

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Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.