Did Elon Expose the Biggest Fraud in History?

Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, has Doge just discovered the greatest fiscal scandal in history? Millions of people getting social security payments that they shouldn't. We dive into that.
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Is Elon Musk and Doge about to unwind the biggest fraud in American history? Over the weekend and into last night, Elon Musk on Twitter has been highlighting an unusual thing about the data of the Social Security Administration. There are millions and millions of numbers that are linked to people that are over 110 years old.
Literally, you can look at the chart. Let's put the chart up on screen.
There's 3.6 million numbers for people aged 110 to 119. There are 3.5 million for people aged 140 to 149.
There's almost 1.5 million for people ages over 150. There it is right there.
Now let's just take a pause. For those of us that have been in the fight for fiscal sanity for well over 13 years, we've known this.
We've talked about it. We've clamored.
And politicians just kind of sit down and shut up. Who cares? This has all been looked into.
So the conventional D.C. wisdom is, OK, this is normal.
It's just paperwork. They were not sending payments to people that shouldn't be getting them.
However, after so many of our eyes were opened during covid. Do we trust the government to say that they've looked into this thoroughly? After the government has lied to us repeatedly about the open border, lied to us repeatedly about the safe and effective vaccine.
The government has not earned our trust. The last decade, the last 20 years, last 30 years, they lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
So you look at this chart, 3.6 million numbers for people ages 110 to 119. Now, mind you, this is not about cutting Social Security for current beneficiaries or for those of you that are retirees.
This is about sending money to what we call phantom Social Security numbers. Now, some people have suggested this could be millions of people who are fraudulently drawing social security benefits on behalf of people who died half a century ago.
It's probably a bit more complex than that. However, is it a black hole? Is this a glitch in the financial accounting matrix of the federal government? The Social Security Administration has an inspector general, and they've been aware of the issue.
Again, excuse me while I dismiss your awareness. I'm on Team Elon here.
I don't want to hear your excuses. Oh, the numbers are here, but I'm going to build out what their excuses are, and we'll see whether or not this might be the most glaring smoking gun of financial waste in the history of the U.S.
government. The Social Security Administrator has an inspector general, and they say they've been aware of this.
They investigated in both 2015 and 2023. What they basically said they found was this.
Most of these expired numbers are from before there were electronic databases for tracking deaths. There are a lot of people, and as a result, who simply don't have a death date logged.
Now, the Social Security Administration says they have methods in place to avoid paying fraudulent benefits to these old numbers.

But they're also too lazy to clean up their data.

They say it's not worth it because it would cost $5 to $10 million.

I'm sorry, $10 million?

That's a rounding error.

We send hundreds of millions of dollars of missiles to Ukraine,

and $10 million, they won't clean up a rounding error?

You have a $6 trillion budget, and you won't spend $10 million to clean up. What is obviously a glaring problem with the Social Security Administration? It seems a little suspicious.
The inspector general sounded the alarm in 2023. This is Biden's inspector general.
They pointed out there's all kinds of ways that expired social security numbers can be used in fraud. For example, it can help illegal immigrants to blend in.
We know this is happening. We know that there are millions of illegals that steal social security numbers.
This we know of. How many and who they are will probably be discovered by Elon via Doge.
And that's kind of where the Elon force and the Tom Homan force are going to converge. They take expired social security numbers and they use them to work illegally.
People also open fraudulent bank accounts using expired social security numbers. Some people could even use them to take fake IDs and perhaps even vote fraudulently.

And some people, which is illegal, they don't report the death of a loved one like a mother or a father or grandmother. And so they just keep on getting Social Security checks, cashing them in the name of the deceased, and then taking the money.
Now, according to Stephen Miller, who's a very smart and thoughtful person, these are fraud rings operating abroad using a treasure trove of expired social security numbers. If this is even 1% true, this is one of the greatest scandals in the history of the American budget glaring in front of us.
And they say it would only spend $10 million to fix. For the record, that's less than one one thousandth of the budget of USAID.
Here is Stephen Miller, a serious thinker and a real operator, claiming this is a foreign ring using U.S. taxpayer dollars to reverse launder money from you to we don't know where.
Black holes of cartels and Iranian leaders, Chinese Communist Party outposts. Is this some sort of a government spending program via money laundering? Playcut 72.
As we know, there's a massive amount of fraud in this country. You have, for example, foreign fraud rings.
These are foreign nationals who come into the United States. They use fake social security numbers.
They use fake identities to steal billions in taxpayer benefits. There's no way to know until Doge gains full access exactly how much money we're talking about.
But over a 10-year normal budget window, you could be talking about saving over a trillion dollars by clamping down on massive fraud in our tax and entitlement systems, including, again, those carried out by organized fraud and theft rings. You could fix this in one afternoon.
Do you want to know how? I could fix this overnight. You classify everybody over 120 years as dead.
You don't need a death certificate. There is not a living person over 120 years right now in the United States of America.
I think the oldest person ever to live in America is like 122 ever in the history of the country. So all 120 you can classify as dead.
That would fix it immediately. But they're not doing it.
Why? Makes you wonder, where is all this money going who is benefiting from this the old latin phrase coi bono who is to benefit from this why won't you just spend the 10 million to clean it up elon musk believes this is one of the greatest discoveries of fraud ever and then it really makes you wonder if our social security logs are this messed up. How messed up are our voting logs? How messed up are the elections? If our social security roles are this messy and corrupt.
How messy and corrupt are the voter roles? We won't know until Doge does what Doge does. But it makes you wonder.
It makes you ponder. Is our nation needlessly going into debt to the tune of $35 trillion to not even send money to its citizens? These are very scary questions.
This is an untreated cancer that is metastasizing throughout the federal government. There's probably at least $1 trillion of waste in the federal government.
One out of $6 at least is wasted in our federal government. And of course, Biden wouldn't want to fix any of it.
And Elon Musk is on a focused campaign, like a precision tomahawk missile to fight for you, the American people, the American worker. And President Trump is doing the greatest government reduction efficiency program in the history of this republic.
Elon says, quote, all outgoing government payments have a payment categorization code to enable financial audits. He noted that this code, quote, is frequently left blank, implying a systemic failure to track payments properly, which he sees as a critical flaw that hinders accountability.
Quote, the logic flow diagram for the Social Security system looks insane, he says. The payment files that move between Social Security and Treasury have significant inconsistencies that are not reconciled.
Further highlighting that his view, the Treasury payments tracking is disjointed and unreliable. These are not just yellow flags.
These are red flags. Are we going into debt to not even give money to our own citizens? Are we destroying the dollar to send trillions of dollars overseas? This is a five alarm fire.
And President Trump's going to put it out. But we're going to do something about it.
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Understand there is a bipartisan cabal that is trying to get in the way of this. They are going straight after the core of the problem.
You follow the money. It is the oldest axiom in D.C.
Follow the money. Follow the money.
No one has ever thought to follow the money of the Social Security Administration. Help me understand this.
Or at least let's entertain this together. If you can't steal Social Security numbers when you invade the country as an illegal alien, maybe less people would have invaded the country.
Does a relaxed Social Security administration system quietly subsidize illegal immigration? Does the Joe Biden regime, because they want open borders, say, just turn the other way, it's okay if they steal. They want the foreigners to become voters.
And so one of the ways that they allow them to stay is through the theft of legitimate or once legitimate social security numbers. Here is Caroline Levitt on the fraud that is being uncovered at the Social Security Administration.
It's in every single agency and no one has thought to even look at it. You work your tail off to pay your taxes.
You're a carpenter, you're a welder, you're a teacher, you're a retiree, you're a financial manager, you're a truck driver, you're an Uber driver, whatever you are, you're a hairdresser, massage therapist, you work your tail off and you pay your taxes. And this racket that calls itself Washington DC doesn't even check the social security numbers of people that are 145 years old.

145 years old.

That means they were born in 1880,

and they're still getting social security checks potentially.

This is Caroline Levitt.

They're going after the heart of the matter.

This presidency is unlike any other. This is not just about reorganizing chairs and doing photo ops with Super Bowl winners.
This is about getting to the essence of the matter. Play cut 62.
President Trump has directed Elon Musk and the Doge team to identify fraud at the Social Security Administration. They haven't dug into the books yet, but they suspect that there are tens of millions of deceased people who are

receiving fraudulent Social Security payments. And so their goal in going into the Social Security Administration is to identify three things.
Number one, to identify duplicate payments and to end them. Number two, to identify payments that are going to deceased people who are no longer living and should no longer be receiving that money.

And number three, to protect the integrity of this system for hardworking Americans who have been paying into it their entire lives. So rest assured to all of the people watching your show tonight, if you paid into the system, honestly, you will continue to receive your Social Security checks.
Do not buy into the lies from the legacy fake news media who are trying to fear you and scare you into believing otherwise. Look, we know how many people are getting Social Security payments.
And they're not tens of millions of people that are necessarily getting fake ones. But the question is, which one is a fake and which one is legitimate? That is the question.
The question is, which ones are the legitimate ones and which ones are the fake ones and which ones continue past the point of death? We got an email here from one of our listeners saying that their loved one died during COVID and the social security checks, even though they reported it, came for another three years.

Another three years kept on coming.

Even though they tried to report it.

And then you have to wonder, is this laziness or is this incompetence?

And they say, oh, it's $10 million to fix it.

That feels like the silliest, dumbest excuse I've ever heard. That the government doesn't want to spend money on something.

$10 million is the salary of a backup wide receiver on the Arizona Cardinals. The government will spend more on that and for donuts at the FBI.
That response is incredibly suspicious. And it begs the question, what are they hiding? Well, Tim Burchett, congressman, thinks that Congress is heavily implicated in this.
Play cut 73. Well, the IRS has hundreds of different groups that have access to this stuff, and yet no one's complained about that.
There's checks and balances in place for the specific system. That's not true.
Even the IRS, even politicals and the former IRS commissioner

who was just on the show yesterday said even he didn't go to it. And it's highly unusual for

politicals to have access to that system. Do you not have questions about what they're doing with

the data, why they want access to private tax information from Americans? Do you not have

those questions as a member of the oversight committee? I have questions. The only reason

you'd have questions is if you're doing something crooked and you're going to see a lot of congressmen with red faces when they follow this paper trail back to members of congress, ma'am. And that's the bottom line.
And again, you have to wonder how much of this is a soft subsidy of illegal immigration. When an illegal comes in a country, there is a black market that shows them how to steal Social Security numbers.
Who are these Social Security numbers? They certainly are not legitimate. Where do they come from? And this only continues the distrust of government.
President Trump is going to spend most his first term cleaning up all this crap from Biden and the prior regime. This is so murky.
It opens up a incredibly suspicious black hole. Email here from Lorna.
Charlie, two people are using my social security number. I went to report it to the social security office.
They said there's nothing they could do about it. I provided names, address, and all this, followed up to the government multiple times.
They couldn't care less. The government doesn't really care.
The government has not cared about you for quite some time. I have so little trust in the government.
So should you, by the way. We're trying to rebuild that.
That's what Elon and Trump are doing. We want a government that is worthy of our trust, but they have not earned it.
In fact, they've earned our distrust. This is a very suspicious story.
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Mr. Speaker, great to see you.
Thanks for coming on the show. Charlie, it's always great to be with you, and you do an amazing job.
Well, thank you. It's hard to keep up with the pace of this administration.
I kind of want to start with that, Mr. Speaker.
I mean, you're a historian. You've lived through and worked with several presidents.
This is remarkable. Have we seen anything like this in American history? No, I don't think so.
I think if you dated from the 7th of November after it was clear he was going to be president, all the way up through the first month, and I'm writing on this Friday at Gingrich 360, there is a speed, a comprehensiveness, a clarity of what he's doing, which is extended through his whole team.

If you look at who he's been picking for key jobs, starting with Vice President Vance, he has a clear sense of the entrepreneurial energy and drive and toughness that he wants throughout the whole government and of the kind of America that he thinks we have to become if we're going to be great again.

So I've never seen anything like it. I think if he can continue it for four years and if he can win the 2026 election, then I think he's going to be in a league just below Washington and Lincoln and maybe slightly above Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who created a majority that lasted for 90 years.
Trump is doing stuff I wouldn't have thought possible. And what do you attribute that to? Because the first term, by this time in the first term, we had national security advisors resigning.
We had the FBI spying. We had Russiagate.

We had James Comey.

We had Mueller on the horizon.

Trump is permanently on offense. And the Democrat opposition looks weak, disorganized, disunified, dispirited.

Why?

Well, I think historians will look back and say the greatest mistake the left ever made was taking the election away from Trump in 2020. Because what it did is it allowed him to spend four years thinking about what had gone wrong, thinking about lessons he'd learned as president.
And at the same time, the left misunderstood the election, thought they had a mandate to go further and further left to be truly weird.

And the net effect was that you ended up, I think, with a country that was madder, sicker of the left, more ready for change. And thanks in part to the America First Policy Institute and the remarkable work of Linda McMahon and Brooke Rollins, there were some 400 people from the Trump administration who were actively preparing for a second administration.
So when he got elected on the 7th of November, they already had, I think, 600 executive orders. They knew what they wanted to do.
They knew who they trusted. It was totally different.
Remember, in 2016, Trump had never run for public office. There was no Trump organization.
MAGA was a movement, but it wasn't a structure. Now MAGA, all across America, there are huge numbers of people who think of themselves as MAGA and who are prepared to go out and work and help elect candidates who belong to Make America Great Again.
Totally different world than the world of 2016. And there's real infrastructure behind it.
Mr. Speaker, I now want to talk about how President Trump is reformulating Western alliances.
J.D. Vance was in Munich last week and gave an exceptional speech that was then immediately condemned by the Germans.
How do you think about this geopolitically? The Europeans seem entitled to unlimited amounts of U.S. taxpayer money without them contributing.
President Trump is doing this in a very thoughtful way. What is your take? Well, I just did a newsletter for Gingrich 360.
My background, I'm a PhD in European history. I've lived in France, Germany, Belgium, and Rome.
So I have some general interest in Europe. I think what J.D.
Vance did is sort of like your next north neighbor being an alcoholic, and you go over and you do an intervention. He went to the Europeans, and what I think was an intervention, their system is failing.
Their elites are so isolated from the world and so isolated from their own people that they maintain power by cheating every day. And Vance made a very courageous speech.
He actually made two speeches, one in Paris on artificial intelligence and then the speech at Munich. And they both had a similar pattern.
You know, I just did some numbers a while ago. There are 15 trillion dollar companies that are American, four that are Chinese, and then Saudi Aramco.
There are no European companies that are trillion dollar companies. Well, the Europeans chose regulation rather than innovation, and it's now destroying the continent.
And they're a husk of their former selves. Do you think that, let's talk about some of the domestic political issues in Europe.
J.D. Vance made it a point saying, not only are you guys embracing regulation and strangulated laws against your business, but also they are cracking down on freedom of speech.
I mean, in Germany, there was this extraordinary piece of tape on 60 Minutes this last weekend.

They said you can't insult somebody online.

You're not allowed to say, get out of my country.

This is considered to be hate speech.

Why should we as Americans continually subsidize that?

Well, we shouldn't.

It's actually quite ironic.

The Weimar Republic, which people always say, well, that's what free speech gets you to.

The Weimar Republic had very strict laws. There are 200 legal actions against the Nazis.
Hitler at one point is barred from speaking in Bavaria. So it's not like the Weimar Republic was this wonderful world of free speech.
In fact, they were trying to find ways to restrict communists and to restrict Nazis. And in the long run, it failed.
But it failed because the economy failed, because the world had failed from the standpoint of the average everyday German. These rules in Europe and Britain, by the way, in some ways is the worst.
I mean, the British have had a grooming crisis of Pakistani males raping young girls and nothing being done because if you report it, it's considered Islamophobia. So the parents get in trouble for trying to protect their 13 or 14-year-old grooming.
This stuff is crazy. And of course, the American elites who are all still in a state of shock from the election.
I mean, the performance on CBS the other morning with Marco Rubio was a disgrace, and the moderator should be fired for pure incompetence. I agree.
The things she said are just false, and I think this is a real crisis. The 60-minute speech is pure propaganda, and of course, what you've seen is, as Jim Clifton and Gallup told me the other day, for the first time, the news media now ranks below Congress as an institution people don't trust.
And as a general rule now, I think the average American knows that if you're watching CBS or NBC or ABC, or you're watching, or you're reading the New York Times, the Washington Post, it's probably a lie. It's probably fake.
And it's sad because we actually we deserve better media than what the American people have been receiving right now. I mean, you're but you let me just say you're part of this.
I mean, the fact is the country's turning to podcasts. I mean, going on Joe Rogan beat anything that Trump could have gained by going on the old networks.
That's right. In terms of sheer believability and in terms of penetration.
You've done the same thing. I think a big part of the rise in younger people supporting Trump comes directly from you.
And so in a sense, the old media is killing itself and driving people to places like your podcast. And we will happily receive them.
And we will cheer on their demise. So, Mr.
Speaker, right now we have Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Steve Whitcoff and Michael Walls in Saudi Arabia. I want to just make a little bit of a side note.
First, I do want to make sure we plug Gingrich 360. People should check that out.
But can you just add a little color here? Marco Rubio might be the most talented diplomat I've seen in a generation. He seems as if he is just built for diplomacy.
He's doing a phenomenal job. Just any thoughts on Marco Rubio before we get into...
I've known Marco since before he was Speaker of the House in Florida. We are old friends.
He is a brilliant political leader. He was a great Speaker of the House in Florida.
And I think had Trump not overwhelmed him, he would have been a very good president. I think he's very talented.
Plus, as somebody with a background as a Cuban-American, he has a deep instinct for Latin America. He's thought a great deal about communism because he's dealt with Castro and the Cubans.
And I think you're going to find, and he and I chatted about this the other day, he is going to remake the State Department into an institution that actually serves American interests rather than the elitist interests of the sort of Davos world gentry. And I think he does it well.
He's articulate. He's smart.
He knows an immense amount. I mean, these reporters don't know anything.
That's one thing you have to remember. Not only are they biased, they don't know anything.
People like Marco know a great deal. Whitcoff, by the way, has been a huge surprise.
I know Steve, but I knew him as a realtor. I had no idea his negotiating talents.
And of course, we have a great national security advisor with a real record of being realistic about the world. It's going to be interesting to see what they can accomplish in talking with the Russians and trying to get the Russians to understand that the war is over, period.
I think that's Trump's position. This war is over.
We're now down to details. And I think we'll do what we have to to convince Putin that he can't keep fighting.
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If we can get to an end of this Russian-Ukrainian war via negotiations in Saudi Arabia. What does this mean for

American foreign policy and hopefully a reorientation towards the menacing rise of China? Well, I mean, first of all, very symbolic that they're not meeting in Europe. I mean, historically, you'd meet probably in Switzerland.
I think that's exactly right. think about it.
They've gone to Saudi Arabia, which makes the Saudis happy.

They have basically taken a step out of the old world, creating a new world. Remember that Saudi Arabia is the first place Trump went when he was elected and sworn in in 2017.
So he does feel a deep affection for the crown prince, and he's trying to get him to sign a peace treaty with Israel. So there's a lot of different things moving here.
The sense I get from talking with the president over a number of years, he is increasingly aware, first of all, of the danger of Putin having about 6,000 nuclear weapons and that nuclear war would be horrifying on a scale that none of us can appreciate. Second, he really, I think, wants to be a peacemaker.
I believe personally that his being shot once and almost shot a second time with the sniper who they found at the golf course. I think that had a profound impact on him.
And I was reminded, Questa and I did two movies, one about John Paul II called Nine Days to Change the World, his going back to Poland in 1979, and the other called Ronald Reagan, Rendezvous of Destiny. When Reagan and John Paul meet in 1982, they are comparing notes because they've both been shot.
And they said, why did God spare us? And they decided God had spared them to defeat the Soviet empire. And they agreed to make basically an alliance to defeat the Soviet empire.
Well, I think in a very similar way, Trump said, this is not hidden. He said in his inaugural address that he believes God spared him to make America great again.
And I think that that is about as deep a feeling as you can have. And I think that he believes that part of that is not just here at home, but part of it is trying to make the world a safer and a better place, whether it's in Gaza or Ukraine or a number of other places.

You're going to see him, I think, have an impact.

And he's begun to assemble a team, as you pointed out. When you have somebody as good as Marco Rubio as your secretary of state, you have a negotiator as effective as Steve Whitcoff, and you have a National Security Advisor as realistic and smart as Mike Walz.
You really have a pretty remarkable team. So Trumpism, if you will, is both having an impact inside the U.S., but it's also having an impact all around the world.
That is so smart. And about a minute and a half remaining, talk about what this might mean for

the breaking up of BRICS. It's a not so subtle way to say, hey, America's convening in Saudi Arabia

and Russia. I know you've been doing this whole BRICS thing, but the dollar is going to reign

supreme. If we can pass a tax cut by May or June and have this economy roaring next year and keep the House next year, this administration is going to lead to a boom on such a scale.
And this is part of what J.D. Vance talked about in Paris on artificial intelligence, that the United States is just going to pull away from the rest of the planet.
And it's not even going to be close. And at that point, the idea of somebody creating an alternative currency is just silly.
It won't happen. It can't happen.
The dollar will be dominant, certainly for the rest of your life and probably for your grandchildren's life. Mr.
Speaker, thank you for your time. It's Gingrich360.com.
That's Gingrich360.com. Thank you so much.
Thank you thank you just a reminder on thursday i will be at the university of south florida for the american comeback tour so make sure you guys check that out and mr speaker brought up an incredibly astute point going to saudi arabia not switzerland not brussels not paris you are taking this out of the european context you are globalizing it because understand the petrodollar is really the fundamental issue that was at play here. Russia has been able to survive because of their currency based on oil and natural gas.
Saudi Arabia obviously has now Saudi Arabia wants to be a country of the future. They got some work to do to get there.
But MBS is working hard on that.

So we go straight signal into Saudi Arabia, negotiate a peace there.

Forget the Europeans.

They're yammering at us all the time, complaining.

What do they bring to the table?

And do you notice who's not at the table?

Ukraine.

Ukraine's not at the table, nor should they be.

Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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