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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Joining us now is a great friend, an amazing patriot, Del Big welcome to the program we did it my friend bobby kennedy is the secretary of health and human services charlie i you know first of all god is good i just want to say that right off uh but my friend you are amazing i don't know how many people know how much you really helped us with this lift with the Maha movement right when Robert Kennedy Jr.
joined President Trump. Of course, I was director of communications with Bobby.
I jumped out to start a super PAC right away so that we could start running ads and things to try and get the Kennedy voters over to President Trump. And look, the DNC was playing all sorts of games after we had gotten on 50 state ballots, which was a Herculean task of signature gathering and everything else.
You know, the DNC was trying to like bringing lawsuits to get us knocked off the ballot. Then when Robert Kennedy Jr.
joined President Trump, suddenly they started having lawsuits to keep us on the ballot, to keep Kennedy on the ballot, because they knew that would divide the vote. So there was a really wild moment where, after supporting Bobby for the last two and a half years of my life, I then had to try to work to run ads and get on stages to convince those voters that were behind Robert Kennedy Jr.
to go over and vote for President Trump. And you and Turning Point were such a major part of helping us do that.
We had so, you know, no time. And you had an audience we hadn't met, right? You had that conservative audience that were wondering who is Robert Kennedy Jr.
And so when you came in and really joined forces with us, with Maha, we just delivered numbers that nobody saw coming. And the big question, right, Charlie, is how much did we affect the vote? I don't ever want to take away from President Trump what he achieved.
It's incredible. He might have done it all on his own.
But what were the numbers they were talking about? They talked about the youth vote, that young vote. That was you.
They talked about where did all the moms, where the gender gap go? It's supposed to be a 20% gender gap with women. It ended up being around 7%.
I think that the Maha Moms, the Maha Movement, with your help, we really delivered, if not the election, certainly the mandate and, you know, and pulling, you know, the entire national vote, I think, was huge. But, brother, I can't thank you enough.
Miracles have worked because people like you were there and making it happen. Del, thank you for those kind words.
And, you know, I'm really glad, by the way, for Senator Cassidy for his vote. That was decisive.
I know there was a lot of back and forth, but I believe he made the right choice and he made the correct decision. Del, what does this mean for our kids? I mean, I believe this is one of the greatest steps forward, one of the great leap forwards for kids' health to be able to get to the bottom

of the chronic disease epidemic, something that you and Bobby especially have now made

a household term.

Five years ago, chronic disease epidemic, people said, what are you talking about?

I mean, we are now at a place where this is market, full market saturation.

What does this confirmation and Bobby now being an HHS secretary mean for our kids? You know, as we were running the presidential campaign for Robert Kennedy, I said, you know, I would say to the audiences, when Bobby steps into that White House, it will be proof that the people have spoken, meaning that there was no way the entire media was against Robert Kennedy Jr. The pharmaceutical industry, the largest, you know, funder of television and mainstream media as we know it was against Robert Kennedy Jr.
As it turned out, as we ran the race, the entire Democratic Party was against Robert Kennedy Jr. And I would even argue the World Economic Forum,

the World Health Organization, and all of the globalists that are using health as a way to remove sovereignty of American citizens was against Robert Kennedy Jr. Now, of course, he didn't step in as president, but in many ways, it's even more profound that he took the most powerful health position in the world at HHS.
There is no higher authority for health in the world. Of course, America does most of the science and the studies that determines what the World Health Organization is going to say, or even the NHS in England.
The world follows us. So what I've been saying to reporters out there that say, well, what can Robert Kennedy Jr.
really do?

I said just a couple of weeks ago, you're already seeing it with red dye number three being taken off the shelves and finally the FDA coming out against it. Now, does that mean Robert Kennedy Jr.
wasn't even in office yet? But what it showed is that it's the pressure being brought by the attention of the people that you just pointed out, that Robert Kennedy Jr. represents that this many people, a voting body now, care about health so much, care about their children so much, that our regulatory agencies now know we're watching you.
So a red dye that was causing cancer and all sorts of learning disabilities is now off the shelves. But after 10 years, it was there.
What's different? Is it Robert Kennedy Jr.? I think even more so, it's the fact that he has a mandate, that he has the country behind him. So what is he going to do? As he has said, he's going to bring radical transparency to our regulatory agencies.
We're about to find out what these companies, what the NIH, what the FDA, what the CDC, what do they actually know about the chemicals in our food? They've been looking at the studies. All we see is an ingredients list on the side of a box, but what do they know about that chemical that we can't even, you know, barely read the word? We're going to find out that information.
It's going to be made public so that Turning Point and The High Wire, my other weekly talk show, and Maha and the Maha podcast and all of the thought leaders in health, we're going to start showing the people this is what our regulatory agencies always knew. This is how long the vaccines went through a safety trial.
This is what the ingredients are in them. This is what we now know about the amount of injuries that are happening or not happening.
Same thing about drugs. Same thing about fluoride in our water.
Robert Kennedy Jr. has never chosen one specific element, even though the mainstream media tries to say, oh, he's anti-vaccine.
He's pro-human health. He has been his entire career, whether it's getting mercury out of our water or out of our air or glyphosate.
He has the largest lawsuits against glyphosate proving it causes non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. We now have someone that's been fighting for the people his entire life, running the agencies.
He's been fighting in courtrooms. So I think it's about that transparency and then the pressure from our followers, you know, the people that watch your show, that watch my show and so many like us, that pressure and that is what's going to give that continued mandate for Robert Kennedy Jr.
to change how we've been allowing all these chemicals into our air, into our food, into our water. It's going to be great for our children, but it's going to be great for us too.
So I want to talk about some of the smears against Bobby. They call him anti-vaccine, which of course is not true.
In his book, he says that explicitly at the beginning and the end. However, there are real questions we need to ask of why has the schedule gone from seven shots? In the mid-1980s, seven vaccines were routinely given to kids between the ages of two for Dheria, tetanus, petrussis, measles, mumps, rubella, and polio.
Now we have over 80 vaccines by the age of 18 and 70 plus doses for kids by the time they are two and a half years old. What's going on here? Well, first of all, you make a really good point because there's a lot of baby boomers that are like, oh, my God, why is he going to vaccine saved our lives? You know, our grandparents did not have the same vaccine schedule.
They got eight to 10 vaccines and they were compliant. What happened was in 1986, when we took liability away from the manufacturers, basically the drug industry threatened Ronald Reagan and said, we're going to stop making all vaccines unless you protect us from liability.
And Ronald Reagan was reticent. There's a lot of rules and laws that were set, all of which were broken.
We can get into the weeds on that another time, Charlie. But imagine you took the pharmaceutical industry, which has some of the biggest lawsuits for lying about injury and death for their drugs.
I mean, just think of Fenfen or even Vioxx or Oxycontin lately, the lies that they put out. And then when you finally sue them, you realize they always knew that these products had side effects.
They always knew it caused heart attacks or they always knew it was addictive. We can't get to that information around the vaccine program because it's protected from lawsuit.

Well, once it's protected from lawsuit, what happened?

We went from the 10 vaccines, as you described, to this gold rush for the pharmaceutical industry to now, as you pointed out, 80 vaccines and growing. And what Robert Kennedy Jr.
and I have been saying after deep investigations, not a single vaccine on the childhood schedule ever went through a double-blind placebo trial prior to licensure. That is the only way to determine safety, and so they never determine safety.
This entire program is built on an assumption of safety. There's never been a study that shows that it's healthier to take 80 vaccines compared to when we had 10.
They've never compared those that get 80 vaccines that those that have none or some. These are all the types of studies that need to be done now.
I've argued this. You know, we just want to have a comparative study.
Those that got all their vaccines compared to those that got none. Let's just find out.
Are there issues? Are the unvaccinated really sicker? I guarantee you, I'm pretty sure they're already doing those studies. And the reason we're not seeing headlines about it is those studies aren't turning out the way they're supposed to.
That's an assumption I'm making. But I know that the pharmaceutical industry would love for me to shut up because I've been talking about this for nearly 10 years.
They would definitely never wanted Robert Kennedy Jr. to be HHS secretary.
So, Charlie, isn't it doesn't stand a reason if they could go into the databases that the CDC sits on of 10 million people and compare vaccinated to unvaccinated and just show the world. See, the vaccinated have less cancer.
They have less autism. They have less ADD, ADHD.
They have less multiple sclerosis and childhood cancers and all of these things that have been skyrocketing since this vaccine program went from 10 to 80. Don't you think they would publish that study? Don't you think they would do that study if they could prove that that was the case? I have to assume that study has been done and they're hiding it from the public.
Otherwise, they would have ended my career. All they had to do is say, see, the vaccinated are healthier.

I'm not. And to be clear, Robert Cain's here, I'm not against vaccines.
I'm just saying, why don't we know what the totality means? Maybe we're giving too many all at one time. Maybe there's things you're eating when you're getting the vaccine.
All I know is there's a list of side effects that I put out. And I just did, I did a press conference that's gone viral right after I was in the Oval Office watching Robert Kennedy Jr.
swear in.

But every vaccine comes with an insert with this many tiny written side effects that are really happening to people. Why is it happening? We aren't studying those people, and that's all Robert Kennedy Jr.
wants to do. Let's study them.
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It's really amazing. We're just now starting to do some national polls, so I don't have exact numbers.
But like I said, I think that when you watch the polling go from what was supposed to be about a 20 percent gender gap in women down to seven percent, I think you see a huge voting block there moving. We tended to think that, you know, Bobby had about 10 million votes out there at least.
But, you know, I think his history will tell. There's a lot of work to be done there.
But you can feel the movement, right? And that's really what matters, whether it comes down to numbers or not. And also, you know, I want to just take a moment to thank President Trump, who has never backed off of this.
When we were behind the scenes, everyone was telling us, don't join President Trump. You can't trust him.
But Robert Kennedy Jr. said, you know, I met with him.
I got a feeling about this guy. And I can tell you, standing in the Oval Office and watching Robert Kennedy Jr.
swear in to feel the energy, these two very powerful warriors, the way that they, you know, communicate with each other. There's such mutual respect.
And I also want to point out that President Trump has been talking about vaccines and autism since he first ran for president the very first time. So this is just really a follow through.
And he's saying it every day now. I want answers.
I'm tired of the scientists saying we don't know what causes autism. We don't know why 60% of our country has either an autoimmune or neurological disorder.
77% of our children can't get into the military because they're too sick to qualify. We have the sickest nation in the world, the sickest generation of children we've ever seen.
And all of that is, you know, we have a regulatory bias

says we don't know what's causing it. Well, maybe it's the regulatory capture.
Maybe it's the fact that you're getting so much funding from the pharmaceutical industry, but also big ag, big food, big chemical. That's what's about to change.
Robert Kennedy Jr. is not owned by any of those companies.
He's going to kick the money changers out and get scientists that are really just there for the American people.

So I think that that's major.

But I really want to point out that President Trump took a lot of heat and used a lot of, you know, thank God he's got the political capital. But it wasn't easy, right? As you pointed out, that vote was not easy.
I was sitting watching the vote with my brother sitting next to me. We grew up progressive liberal Democrats from Boulder, Colorado.
I mean, I marched against Rocky Flats with my mom, who was a hippie. That used to be the Democratic Party.
It used to be the crunchy granola hippie moms, you know, that were like, we were having vitamins and eating, you know, macrobiotic food and vegetarians. When we were kids, all of a sudden that entire, we were watching as every Democrat was just voting.
No, no. Every Republican.
Yes. And I turned to my brother and I said, the Democratic Party's just turned on our way of life, which is clean water, clean food, clean air.
And now it's the Republican Party just expanded, just grew. All of natural health and healthy living is now in the Republican Party.
And I'm happy to be a part of it. It's really beautiful to see.
So, Del, where do we go from here? What are the marching orders for our audience? Minute and a half remaining. I would just say, look, Maha is a movement.
There are so many great people out there that are representing it. Charlie, I know that you're going to be having Maha initiatives.
We're going to be following what Robert Kennedy Jr. has.
The Make America Healthy Again executive orders are coming. The commission is being put together.
He's finally going to get all of the great scientists, the heads of FDA and HHS and EPA and USDA all together to start working. But it's our job, Charlie, to make America healthy again.
We've got to figure out how to inspire people to eat better, to work out, to sleep better. So I'm starting Maha.io.
I mean, it's just started, so there's not much there. But one of the things I want to do is make a database where you can find all of those health practitioners that don't make drugs your first choice, but maybe a lifestyle shift.
We need to get into the business of making people healthy. We have a sick care system.
We don't have a health care system. So I hope all of us will work together to make a true health care system, which is about staying healthy, living our best lives, getting the chemicals out of our children's foods.
We're working on a school lunch program. We want to have a Maha school lunch program and also just media.
I love that you're out there. All of us, all the thought leaders that have been talking to people, we've got to inspire.
Maybe we start having groups meet in every city like Alcoholics Anonymous, but we get together and talk about how we're getting healthy every week, how we're working towards our best life. American exceptionalism is real.
We've got to become the healthiest nation in the world. Lead.
We are the beacons of light and hope, of freedom.

We just dodged the bullet.

We're not being censored.

This is our time, Charlie.

All the people should be so excited.

And we should be competing with the rest of the world to say that we can be the healthiest.

We can be the greatest nation in the world again.

Donald Trump's doing that as far as the economics and all that.

Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to lead the health revolution.
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Joining us now is Merslady Schlapp, great friend, senior fellow at CPAC, and they have a big event coming up this weekend. Mercy, great to see you.
Thanks for joining the program. Tell us all about what's happening this weekend.
Okay, Charlie. Well, first of all, we're going to gonna get you next year that's gonna be my goal okay we're gonna make this happen we were kind of thinking back of like when you came and spoke at cpac i think one of the years 2018 my goodness charlie you don't age like what's the deal here what's going on like i need your genes um So, you know, we're we're excited to to.

Of course, we're excited to get the event launched this week. But yes, we're going to definitely miss you.

We would love for you to join us. So if things change, let us know.

Well, tell us all about it, Mercy. You got the great event.
I'm guessing the big man will be there and a lot of cabinet officials.

So tell us what you have in store. Well, first of all, as you know, and you were such a big part of getting the president elected and all the efforts that you all have been involved in.
It's really about, you know, America is back on track. I mean, that's the focus.
There is this moment where it's going to be celebratory. Obviously, we've got such an incredible list of government officials from the White House, cabinet members, Vice President J.D.
Vance, who actually will be announcing shortly here, some of the tech titans of folks from the business world, including high level individuals from Bitcoin and AI, and also the everyday Americans, those stories that I think those grassroots activists who I

think are so critical in our movement, who are the ones changing their communities. And, you know,

we're looking forward to having President Trump join us as well. You know, he really, I think, got his start at CPAC when he wasn't what you would say, quote unquote, a politician, although I still don't think he's a politician.
He's just simply just such a strong leader in this MAGA movement, in this American movement that we're seeing. So it's going to be his, I believe I'm up to 14 times that the president has spoken at CPAC.
So as you know, it's a home for him. It's where the people come together, you know, people who love the president, who then take his directive, take his energy, and then they go back into their communities as well.
And more so is, yes, we got to be celebratory. But as you know, Charlie, we got to keep fighting.
I mean, this battle is not over. The left, the globalist, the communist will regroup.
And they are regrouping right now. And so we got to ensure that the president's vision for America, for keeping and really maintaining a strong and prosperous America, and a strong presence where the globe is looking at us for solutions in solving the major problems, you know, that we know that we're doing the work that President Trump has set forward and that we're able to get it done, not only at the federal level, but obviously at the state and local level as well.
I mean, that's going to be critical. So again, big celebration, but you know, we've got to roll up our sleeves.
There's a lot of work that has to happen. And while he's doing it at warp speed, we've got our part to do as well.
So, so Mercy, you were part of the first Trump administration and contrast, I mean, you guys did phenomenal work. But the pace at which this administration is operating is even quicker than the other one.
So kind of compare and contrast that. I mean, the first one, you guys did some amazing stuff.
But it seems as if this new team has the media on defense. There is no question.
Let me tell you something. I am incredibly impressed with the White House operations.
And I do believe Susie Wiles as chief of staff has been the best pick the president could have made because she basically keeps the ship in line. She's very much saying we're not going to have leaks out of the White House.
I mean, Charlie, you remember this during the first term, the battles we had within that White House of people leaking on each other, trying to kill each other off. Then you've got the FBI going after you with the Russian hoax and all these special counsels against President Trump.
And then on top of that, you had even cabinet members who were basically against President Trump. And what I couldn't understand is like, you're there to serve the president of the United

States. You are there to ensure that his agenda is implemented to help the American people.
And so I think President Trump this time around, I think with everything that he has gone through from the weaponization of the DOJ with the two assassination attempts, and I think the fact that he knew like, what can we do this time around to make sure we don't run into this problem? And part of it is, I think, this shock and awe strategy, which is that of basically inundating the media with so much information that they simply cannot keep up. And it's not just the president.
I mean, you've got these, Vice President J.D JD Vance in Europe, secretary Marco Rubio right now in Israel, secretary Pete Hegseth traveling abroad. He has deployed these warriors across the globe and here in America to basically talk about the American vision, to talk about what the strategy is to bring peace to the globe.
And then also to ensure that we have here a safe and prosperous America for all Americans, which is tackling these really huge problems that were ignored by the previous administration. So look, I'm so, I gotta tell you, I feel like a proud mama.
I feel like just watching these guys really just work 24-7, get the job done. The president has a very, I think, you talk to him all the time.
They know that the moment is now, that this is the moment to use up the political capital to basically ensure that the president pushes back on activist judges, pushes back against these incredibly biased so-called journalists. And really, it's the alternative media.
It's the work that you're doing, the work we do at CPAC and these other outlets that people are saying, you know what? I'm going to turn off. I don't need to watch CNN.
I don't need to read The Washington Post. I'm going to get my news somewhere else.
In closing here, Mercy, talk about the event this weekend and the call to action and how it will empower the grassroots. And final details, is it back at the Gaylord? Is that right after all of the circumnavigation back in the Gaylord? Is that correct? Yeah, well, this is, I think, our last year back at the Gaylord because the space is just getting too small.
And so we are excited about just getting it launched on Wednesday. We're kicking off with the CPAC International Summit.
We have leaders coming from across the globe. I think we lost the feed there.
I'll finish the sequence. They're saying they have leaders coming across the globe.
And I think then they're going to keep ramping up. CPAC.org.
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The size of government needs to shrink dramatically, and the president should have the authority to do that. The Democrats are doing everything they possibly can to stop this mandate to shrink the size of government.
Jonathan Turley weighs in constitutionally. Let's play cut one, please.
This government is going to shrink. This president was elected to reduce the size of government.
He's allowed to do that. These employees want this deal.
Their own unions are opposing something they want, but it's not a scam. The government is bound by this deal.
He is allowed to have Musk working through the White House. They have Treasury people and other officials now part of Doge.
Congress has a parallel Doge committee. The IGs are doing their own investigation along the same lines.
All of that is permissible. And what is the response that the left has? They go straight for feelings.
Oh, the people are getting traumatized by these potential cuts. How many millions of you have been fired or laid off before? Do you guys get dedicated cable news segments? They go straight for emotions.
And I'm sure a lot of these people are nice people. But getting laid off is part of life.
Go find another job. You are no longer needed here.
Go find something else to do. Almost everybody in this audience has been laid off, fired, had to find a new job.
It's part of the free market. And yet, for whatever reason, the government is immune from that.
Play cut 20. Most of the information about USAID spending has been available on government websites forever.
If you wanted to know something about it, you could have found out last year. But the goal of doing this seems to have been to traumatize the people who work for USAID and also to traumatize people who work for other government institutions.
This is a very simple principle of the market. If you no longer are bringing value to a job, then you get fired.
Why is it that the government is immune from market principles? Because that's exactly the point, is that the government is supposed to be immune from government principles. This is Amy Klobuchar, who claims that Trump is stopping Head Start and cutting cancer research.
Look, I want to see a cure to cancer more than anybody else, but why should the federal government be involved in billions of dollars of funding this? Why is that a role of the federal government? By the way, this federal is so sloppy it's so corrupt allow the private sector to do it allow private donations to help drive this change that doesn't need to be does not need to be done by u.s taxpayers i'm not even sure what she's saying is true but i don't think that's a role of the federal government has that gotten us closer i don't think so by the way these are the same government researchers and institutions that told us that we need to have six feet to slow the spread or masks for kids or the vaccine was safe and effective or mRNA technology was perfectly fine. Play cut nine.
You know that our policy of our government should not be giving two trillion dollars in tax cuts to the wealthiest and paying for it by cuts to cancer research at NIH,

something that has bipartisan support for years and years,

or stopping Head Start or freezing people who are trying to protect our nuclear stockpile.

I know they are, but what I'm saying is at some point the pressure is on them.

You can go one path or you can go the other path.

Path A, towards a fiscal collapse, the size and scope of government doing things that they should never do. Or B, you take the courageous and brave path and you say, we're going to cut spending.
That is not a role of the federal government. Live within our means.
Balance the budget. This is a reckoning for the overspending and soft money, overspending currencies that we have seen over the last couple decades.
Here's cut 50. Just in one department, $1.9 billion was misplaced from the housing and urban development.
And oh, just wait. You want to talk about what's really going to shake DC at its core? Just wait till Doge shows up at the Pentagon.
They're making their little stops. USAID, Department of Education, IRS.
Wait until they show up at the Pentagon. Play cut 50.
In addition to finding fraud, Doge is discovering lost taxpayer cash. Doge helping the Department of Housing and Urban Development relocate $1.9 billion that had gone missing under Biden.

That's nearly $2 billion that they say the Treasury can now use for other things.

Doge has also been digging into Social Security.

Elon Musk estimating there's about 60 million more Social Security numbers issued than Americans,

saying this might be the biggest fraud in history.

Think about that.

60 million more Social Security numbers than Americans, which, by the way, might be doing phantom social security payments to illegal aliens, allowing them to steal social security numbers. And no one has even dared to look at it, to ask questions about it.
We're going to go the way of fiscal sanity, living within our means, balancing our budget, a country for our children, not towards imminent fiscal collapse.

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