Where the Grassroots Goes Next

Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

How do we keep the Republican Party strong?

Happy Labor Day.

It is my conversation with Tyler Boyer, COO of Turning Point Action.

I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation.

That is the chief operating officer of Turning Point Action, tpaction.com.

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Here we go.

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

I want to thank Charlie.

He's an incredible guy.

His spirit, his love of this country.

He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

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Tyler has been with us, everybody.

Count him, for 10 years.

He has been with us for 10 years.

He is the mastermind of the Campus Victory Project and also the CEO of Turning Point Action.

I want to, we have about 35-ish minutes with Tyler.

Is that about right?

Guys, we're going to blow all of our time today.

But I do want to be able to get to some audience questions.

And this is going to be all, I want to talk about politics in particular, elections, what did we learn, the state of like what's happening right now, the state of the RNC, the grassroots, the establishment.

So much happening.

So, first, Tyler, how you doing?

Charlie's going to be here.

I got to match Alex's energy here.

Good luck.

That's Maha energy.

I'll tell you what.

That's Maha energy.

But I'm actually following a lot of those.

Protocols.

You look great.

Tyler looks great, doesn't he?

I'll tell you.

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That's big for you.

Yeah, huge.

That was the end of the last election.

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I totally agree.

It just kills you.

So

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so tyler what you you ran the largest ever ballot chasing operation in republican party history 1 000 full-time people i i was able to take credit for it and kind of watch it from afar but you hired the people you sourced the people what did you learn through that entire process we had I mean, for all of those that are listening that run a business, that have housed hundreds of people in a business, you know that that comes with a lot of struggles.

The hiring process alone, identifying the right people to be able to accept, adopt, a culture, and then get into the job is what's part of building a business.

That's why we've done at Turning Point so well on the backs of a lot of really great advisors that have helped us for along the way.

So it's great that at Turning Point, we had a brand that we could attract people to and that we had a culture that we could attract people to.

A lot of political operations don't have that.

And so we've been really blessed because people could look at Charlie and see the Charlie Kirk show every single day and go, I want to be part of that.

They could see the brand that Turning Point USA had built and say, I want to be part of that.

That's unique.

And that's what I think enabled us.

I mean, you and I sat down and talked about this.

And we said, we looked around and we said, there's nobody actually doing the whole political operation the right way.

C-Force, PAX,

they've just for years just kind of come in at the last minute, raise a bunch of money from donors,

and then they just throw whatever they possibly can in the sloppiest way possible at an election.

And that's not enough to win.

You have to do it the way that the left does it, which is the left has for years been talking and harping about the community organizer model, the relationship building model.

Every customer that's out there that's a voter, you know, trying to get them over the line to vote for maybe the first time in a long time or for the first time ever, especially when we talk about the youth voters and why we had so much success and such a dramatic increase with youth voters, is because when you focus in your conversations that right way, then it works.

And for us, that blends with the hiring process because anyone that understands that and actually gets drills deep into the process, the brand,

the culture of what we're trying to do, it becomes easier.

But hiring.

A thousand people.

What period of time did you have to hire a thousand human beings to go chase ballots in the Arizona summer?

Well, we were very, very lucky because we have, again, a lot of people who are already near and dear to us.

College students.

But college students,

volunteers, members of TPSA.

People who used to work for us, people who used to work for us, their parents, uncles, aunts, siblings.

So, again, that's why it's so important to establish long-term, credible organizations in places that matter, like Arizona, like other places, other swing states.

We need a turning point-esque operation in every swing state.

Yes.

But to the point is, you still have challenges.

You still have to vet every single one of these people individually.

You have to look at their entire social media background.

You have to pull all of

their past.

You do a background check on every single person.

You can't just hire willy-nilly.

And then when they got hired, you know, as you know, you're aware of many of these issues, is you have people who do crazy things.

Why the full-time model?

Why, Tyler, did you not say, let's just hire people part-time and use volunteers?

Why did you make the argument that full-time labor was essential for this operation, the successful operation?

It wasn't even us that made the argument.

The left made the argument for us, right?

Because the left actually years ago, about 25 years ago, started putting full-time people and everything.

Blueprint was part of that here in this state.

Yeah.

So where we are right now in Colorado, this is where it was born.

You have the combination of Arabella and Democracy Alliance.

And without getting into all the

details.

Arabella's essentially the funding mechanism that's able to go out and do a bunch of special projects that enables the left to do a bunch of crazy things.

Whenever you see something crazy, you're like, how did that enter the zeitgeist?

It probably came from Arabella's infrastructure.

And we have full presentations on this.

But here in Colorado is where CODA started, the Colorado Democracy Alliance.

And that was intended to replace the Democrat Party in Colorado.

Because what the Democrats realized early on that the Republican Party still hasn't figured out is that the party itself, the apparatus, is actually pretty useless.

It actually is worse than useless.

It gets in the way more times than it actually helps.

And so, what the Democrats here in Colorado did was they realized, oh, we are going to create an alternate party structure outside of the party.

And again, we're going to call it Democracy Alliance.

And this is the permanent infrastructure that we're going to build because we can't count on the Democrat Party to actually show up and do all the right things.

And they did that, and they did it very well.

And they did it so well, they were able to spread it across the entire country.

And Colorado Democracy Alliance became Democracy Alliance.

And our side is still kind of going oh well we got to check in with you know with you know again not to throw mitch mcconnell mitch mcconnell all of the i don't think there's any mitch mcconnell fans here establishment establishment checkpoints yeah before you fund

this is an important point so the democrat infrastructure was always outside of the party and one of the reasons we were able to win in 2016 and 2024 is not because of infrastructure we helped, but because Donald Trump is a once in a hundred year candidate.

Would you agree?

It was just so outrageous, so, I mean, in a good way, like so overwhelmingly positive and popular that it forgave all the sins of the Republican infrastructure.

So this is the most important point, Charlie, is that you have to have a candidate that enables that outside organization organism to actually survive.

So if you don't have candidates that are actually exciting for those people to come take the job and work, for those people to show up and knock the doors and build relationships two years out.

You can't do it.

Donald Trump actually unlocked something because, for the first time in a long time, maybe ever,

the general populace was like, I want to go work for that guy.

And that's what enables that relational organizing, community organizing model to work.

And so the Democrats have actually been focused on this.

And this is what Obama unlocked for them.

Obama was able to get people up out and get people excited.

This is actually where they're struggling is because they're at the national level really lacking that interest.

Our side has to realize that and realize, hey, moving forward, you know, after Donald Trump, you're going to have to make sure that the people love and want to get up and work for that person who's running.

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So part of what we are building, and more specifically, what you are building, that we're doing together, is trying to build an outside party organizational apparatus that is not at odds necessarily with the establishment Republican Party at all times.

We'll pick some fights every so often

if they go out of control, like Liz Cheney or McConnell.

Yeah, destructive stuff.

But instead, it is an outside organization.

What can an outside organization do that the party itself cannot do?

Again, I'm not knocking the RNC.

I get along with Chairman Watley.

He's running for the Senate.

We've come a long way since Ronna

McRomney.

And Tyler deserves credit because he picked the fight first.

We just finished it.

And I believe that if she would have remained chairman, Donald Trump would not be president today.

I'm sorry.

I could prove that point.

I think if Rana would have stayed and ran the RNC, Donald Trump would not have won in November.

I think she would have prevented Donald Trump's victory, believe it or not.

No question.

Anyway, and that's not a knock at Trump.

That's just a knock at Rana.

But Tyler, what can an outside organization do?

Why is it different?

How is it funded differently?

What are the flexibilities?

Why does it matter?

So everybody knows there's a number of different things that the party

can't do that outside or non-profits can do and and the first and foremost and the first big problem is just funding uh limitations parties can only accept so much money in most states nine hundred thousand dollars a year yeah and and and but then it drills down into candidates so it's very complicated candidates can only only collect so much per person per year uh when you get into the outside obviously we know independent expenditures things like that but this is the problem that exists is candidate the candidate candidate cycle in America is essentially two years, right?

So most people don't announce that they're running more than two years before they're actually going to run.

It's typically less than that.

The average is usually less than a year, believe it or not.

And there's no possible and fundamental way that you can build a campaign infrastructure that can do all the things that are necessary to win

if the other side is doing them full-time.

So the first and foremost is hiring door knockers, hiring people that are going to to make build effective relationships for you out in the field.

The second is legal.

There's no way that you're going to be able to fight a fight with someone in the remaining 60 days of the election if your opponent's been basically crafting an entire legal strategy against you for two to four years.

And this is part of what the lawfare thing has been done to Donald Trump that nobody ever talks about.

And to you.

Is the outside, yeah, and to me, which is, you know, we're winning this thing.

But, you know, you have a real struggle with that.

The third thing, which is most critical with parties that people never talk about to, is that most people don't realize those that have been involved, who here has been involved with their local Republican Party?

Okay.

A little more than half the room.

If you've ever walked in,

when you walk in, how has your experience been in

that fundamental time?

The DMV is better.

It's a little crazy.

I'd rather go through TSA.

It's a little gritty.

Sometimes you walk in, there's like kind of just fighting happening that's going on.

You don't really know what's going on.

And people down there.

They have fax machines, everybody.

Some of it's really old.

So when I took over, when I was the county chairman of Maricopa County over 10 years ago now, it's amazing.

10 years ago, I was in my mid-20s, and my average precinct committee man was 71.

So there's sometimes a cultural divide that happens.

But the most critical part is that most of those jobs for leadership are two years or less, right?

So they're two years.

The average state party chair, Charlie, only serves for a year.

States like Hawaii have gone through like five or six the last couple years.

So you have a real problem when you have the party leadership only being able to survive for months.

And by the time they get in, they get their feet wet, they're figuring it out, it's our six months down the road.

They're almost checking out by the time they check in.

So there's no way for the party itself to actually do the job that everyone claims when they become chair that they're doing.

Yes.

And that was the Ronda problem that you brought up.

The fundamental problem with Ronda, she was going across the entire country, telling everyone she was doing all the work that was necessary to win.

And upon further inspection, none of that was being done.

So then, how are we at Turning Point Action going about fixing this?

Yeah.

So the outside model works.

We proved that this last election cycle.

The largest swing of any state was Arizona.

And it wasn't by any mistake.

It was hard, nose to the grindstone, boots on the ground, as Charlie says, tennis shoes and clipboard work.

We gave it all we had.

That was throwing absolutely everything you possibly can.

We threw everything we had.

Everything, everything.

I mean, we literally just like unleashed on the state.

And the outcome was exactly what we expected.

was that there was a we had a body of about 400,000 people who did not vote in 2016 or 2020.

And Charlie brought up something earlier today.

That was a really funny story.

We had people that we knocked on their doors.

They were the biggest Trump fans that you've ever seen in your entire life.

In fact, there was one story that I tell all the time.

A guy, we knock on his door.

He did not vote in the last two elections, including 2020, knock on his door and start talking to him.

He's like, What do you do for work?

And our person said, Oh, I work for Turning Point.

They're like, Wait a minute.

They close, slam the door, run around to their garage, open up their garage, open up their garage.

And it's like, oh, a shrine to Trump, every Trump flag that you can possibly have.

And on top of that, Turning Point, point, because in 2020 and 2022,

the Republican Party ran out of yard signs for Trump.

So we started producing our own.

We produced tens of thousands of yard signs in key target states and gave them out.

This gentleman had every single turning point action yard sign for Trump.

Did not vote in that election.

Did not vote in that election.

The real thing, guys.

And Charlie, the number one thing that we asked people, we assume that when we talk to people, their number one reason for not voting was they just didn't care about voting.

Not true.

That's not true.

That's not right.

You don't remember what they never knew.

They didn't know how, or they thought they already did.

Well, that's the other thing.

Right.

They say, like, I voted for Trump in the primary two years ago.

Doesn't that count?

Can't they just like grandfathered him?

This guy who did not, this guy who did not vote had voted sporadically in primaries.

He had voted sporadically in other midterm elections or not less important elections, like city council stuff that's off the grid and stuff like that.

So he was kind of in and out, but missed the presidential, the big one, because he thought

he missed the Kerry Lake election.

And he swore up and down he had voted.

And so you have a subset.

And we know because we have the voter file.

Right.

So all the data, it's there.

And it wasn't like, oh, well, his ballot got rejected and came back.

He didn't vote.

He did not turn in his ballot.

And so, you know, you have these situations where you have people that are under the impression that they voted.

There's a subset of people who just wake up and it's the bad, it's the worst day of their month or year is on election day.

There's a percentage of America that that's that.

The second is you have a you have a bunch of people who legitimately think that watching Fox News is voting, correct?

Yeah, or listen, listening to the Trump.

Even worse, giving money to Trump is voting.

Like, they're like, oh, I give five bucks a month.

That's my vote.

Yeah, my poor grandmother, my poor grandmother, and this is why I actually believe this.

My grandma just called me again.

My grandma's in her mid-80s.

She's getting up there and she's kind of losing sight of things.

She just called me the other day and she said, I just got another message that I've been taking off the Republican Party roles.

What's going on?

No, it's these predatory emails that they've got to stop sending.

And it's the emails, but this is part of the problem that you bring up, Charlie, is when people donate, then they think that they've done something.

And it's actually replacing voting habits by sending these predatory emails.

I agree.

That's actually really, really bad.

And the RC, when it does it, or whoever else that does it, there's no excuse for it.

You can't do it because it's not.

Does anyone sick those email messages you guys get, right?

I feel like they've calmed down a little bit the last couple months, maybe.

I don't know.

No, they haven't.

They haven't.

My grandma just called me.

Do you guys still, are they still doing it in the summer of 25?

And my grandma will listen to this because she's a Charlie Kirk super fan.

I love it.

And she's on RAV every single day.

It's like her entire,

she watches and listens to you more than she listens to my mom, who's supposed to be taking care of her right now.

So anything you say, she's going to do.

But this is part of it.

So she's going to hear this.

But this is part of it is that it's really critical for us to focus first and foremost.

This is why at turning point and turning point action, when we send out emails, we are talking about the things that we're doing.

Yes.

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So I want to get to some questions because people I know are chomping at the bed on the political question here.

But Tyler, let me ask you a provocative one.

How not

the Republican Party institutionally is out of alignment with its voters.

Yes.

What is the plan?

How do we get the Lindsey Grahams, the

Chuck Grassley's great on almost everything, but he's terrible on this blue sip thing.

This is where the grassroots is the most frustrated.

They're like, okay, we voted voted for Trump, we donate, we knock on doors.

Why are our Republicans so terrible?

How do we fix that?

Well, I'm going to tell you something that you're not going to like.

And first, the first thing is that some of this has just got to time itself out, which is like they have to decide to resign and go back.

I think America was intended to be

what George Washington and Thomas Jefferson intended to be, which was go in, do your job, and get the heck out, right?

Go in, be there for a short amount of time, and then go enjoy your grandkids and

go enjoy your family and your business that you built your entire life.

Totally.

And this is the biggest problem.

And I'll use Arizona as an example.

John McCain was not in good health when he decided to run his last time.

He died in the middle of his term.

People lost their minds when everybody said, are you sure you're in, when a couple of people asked the question, are you sure you're in good enough health to run again?

he could have easily stepped down and you know what that would have meant for Arizona that a consolidation would have happened we would probably still have another Republican senator at least one that's so true because in 2016 we would have had we had the ability to get somebody in there and then the Democrats didn't spend a hundred million dollars each cycle yep and and and so it's a it's a selfless thing to get in I think into public office and then make the self-determination that I'm not going to be there forever and I think that that's that's an education thing that's really important that Turning Point is doing and Turning Point Action is doing.

We have the Mount Vernon Project.

Educate, go really quick.

Scorecard, Mount Vernon Project, all this stuff.

So we have one of the most inclusive scorecards that's in the conservative movement.

What's the website?

tpaction.com/slash scorecard.

And we rate all members of the House and the Senate, right?

All of the federal members.

And then we actually have started in on the states.

So you can go in at the state legislative level now and actually look at how your people are doing.

And we put it all right there, all in real time.

Most scorecards don't do things in real time.

They go back years.

Ours is in real time, so you know how they're doing in real time.

The second thing we have is the Mount Vernon Project, which is we focus mainly on the Republican National Committee because the Republican Party, if it gets fixed, a lot of the country gets fixed.

Part of the reason why, to follow up your question, is like, what do we do about some of these people?

Well, you know, it would be nice if the Republican Party had cajonis every once in a while and would step up and say, hey, you know, Lindsay, your time's up, dude.

Like, it's done.

Like,

wait, your state doesn't have term limits, but guess what we have here at the Republican Party?

It's term limits.

So you're done or whatever, right?

Like that, you don't need laws on term limits if your party's actually enforcing term limits.

And so a lot of people, it drives me crazy when people are like, oh, well, I guess we don't have term limits.

And sometimes we get a good person in and we want them in for 40 years.

It's like, yeah, but that's like one out of a million, right?

Like you only have so many of those.

Most are horrible at the end part of their career and we got to get them out.

And they're totally disconnected by the end of their terms, by the way, with the general public.

Let's do 10 minutes of questions, and we have Dr.

Orr in 10 minutes.

We're just going to keep flowing, everybody.

So let's do some questions because this, Tyler, in particular, I know, elicits a lot.

And I'll say this real quick.

Brian, will you raise your raising hands here?

Raise your hands, guys, if you have a moment.

We're working our butts off.

Our team right now is working their tails off on Arizona, New Hampshire, Nevada.

We've laid the groundwork in Iowa for all 99 counties for heading into 2028.

We have a great amount of work that's going on, too.

So happy to answer questions.

We've got about 10 minutes.

Yes, ma'am.

Are you guys seeing a movement of money from the RNC, from the Republican Party, and individual donors over to Turning Point and other groups that are spending time on the

yeah, let me start there.

Yes, but we're not trying to take donors away from the RNC.

If donors want to stop giving the RNC, that's all of your own agency and ability.

But yes, let me talk more about the NRSC and the RNC because we want to have a good working relationship with the RNC.

It is of no one's benefit, not to the country, the RNC, or Trump's best interest for us to be at war with the RNC.

We were at one point, and that was a necessary fight that we forced, right, Tyler?

But it was a headache, honestly, right?

But we won that fight.

We finished fights and we win them.

However, the NRSC, a lot of donors are coming to us and they're like, Charlie, instead of giving $500,000 to some PAC, I would rather give $500,000 to take a state over for the next 20 years.

So we're seeing a lot of donors come to us that believe, that don't get the same sort of presentation that we had this morning that's in-depth, detail, and metric-driven.

Tyler.

Yeah, I think the craziest thing about the RNC, and this still

takes, you know.

You have to understand the construct of the Republican National Committee.

It's 168 members, and most come from states that are deep red or deep blue, right?

So the people who need the most assets or resources are actually the minority voices there.

And don't forget, and again, no shade on our folks in Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands and Puerto Rico, but they have a vote, an equal vote.

So my vote, whenever I was

speaking up, forget about free speech on the RNC, but when I was voting on things, my vote was getting canceled out by the vote in the Northern Mariana Islands.

And we needed the most assets.

And so that's extraordinarily frustrating i think there's a huge construction error that's at the rnc just with how it operates which makes it really difficult to focus on the key target states that they need to focus on i think the immediate thing that the republican national committee could do that would lend a lot of help to the nrsc and the nrcc is by sitting down the day after the election's over in november and saying we're going to decide right now what our key targets are for and and we're going to go through and then everybody is going to get on board for this and we're going to get everybody to to vote vocalize with a raised hand that they're on board for this so that we don't have knifing each other all throughout the two years heading into the next election cycle and and and I really actually feel bad I felt bad at times for Ron I feel bad for the chair that that's in that position because they sometimes just look like they don't know what to do or they have one moment where they can make a big difference and reset restack the deck in a way that's going to help the Republican Party and the conservative movement, and they're too scared to do it.

And so you got to have a leader that gets in there.

And for the future, just so that everybody knows, we can talk about this at length, but the Republican National Committee getting kind of structurally in a better place is probably going to be good because the Democrat Party's figured out, Charlie, that they don't really need the DNC to do too much.

They just need to do perfunctory things.

And that's what we should be doing.

Yeah, and one final thing, where we've seen the most donor movement, though, is the small dollar donors.

So we have tens of thousands of people that are monthly recurring donors.

And as I mentioned, we have half a million small dollar donors across the country, which are, if we get to a million, that will be more active donors than the RNC.

We think.

We actually don't know how many active donors the RNC has.

But the Trump campaign at its top had about 2.8 million active donors, and that's the most probably ever in Republican politics.

That's right.

Obama, I think, had the most ever at like 3.1, 3.2.

Yeah, Bernie Sanders also had a massive.

Bernie Sanders got to like 1.7 small dollar donors.

So if turning point, a non-campaign, could get to a million, we would be probably the largest nonprofit of small dollar donors.

And all of you guys as investors should be cheering us on to get to that million figure because that's where all of a sudden we become very uncancelable and you kind of have a recurring base.

And by the way, if someone's given 10 bucks a month, they're more likely to show up at our events, get their kids involved, start a Club America chapter.

It is a signal for involvement.

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Do we have any more questions?

Yes, ma'am.

Can you talk about election integrity and how to clean up voter rolls?

What are you doing and what can we do?

Yeah, so I say this almost

incessantly.

We talk about this all the time.

We are big fans of how elections used to run, which were election day was holy.

People showed up.

We don't believe in no excuse mail-in balloting.

So you have excuse and no excuse.

So you have states that like Florida, that you have to give a little bit more of an excuse, and states like Arizona, where they're like literally, you can show up and order a ballot for anyone, and they want to do it.

This is part of the reason why the left pushes no excuse mail-in balloting or motor voter laws all the time.

They want to automatically register everyone and have ballots floating around everywhere because they know they can out, they historically have been able to outperform us on ballot collection.

And this is what's hugely problematic.

One of the things in Arizona, I was just talking with Charlie about this, is the Yokava voters, the uniformed uniformed officer overseas votes.

The left is constantly equipping nonprofits to change the rules and then re-register people from one state to another.

So, you know, we know that the margins are thin.

We went over today: 17,000 votes for governor in Arizona, 280 votes for attorney general in Arizona.

Unbelievable.

In 2016, in New Hampshire, 2,500 votes the president lost to Hillary Clinton by.

2,500.

That's like nothing, right?

It's a drop in the bucket.

And in Nevada, we saw this just recently.

Adam Laxalt.

Laxalt.

Should be a U.S.

Senator.

We would have 54 Senate seats right now if it wasn't for 2,300 votes.

Yeah.

And 15,000 was the Lombardo won by.

So it's like basically nothing.

All they're doing is that, Charlie, they're going to foreign countries and they're taking people who haven't lived in America.

There's millions of overseas voters.

Expats, yeah.

And they're expats, and they're re-registering them to states that matter if they're a Democrat.

And

this is horrifying stuff.

And there's laws, there's federal laws that should be in place on this.

They're not.

The second thing I was just telling Charlie about, these votes,

you can basically fax in a vote.

They want to make it so

you can vote by cell phone

with the overseas voters.

You understand how terrifying this is.

All they'll have to do is re-register five or 10,000 more voters to each of these states that come close.

And they have basically the cheat code for the rest of eternity in these states there's nothing more important and nothing that we should be taking i was so happy to hear the president talking about this yes after putinich said hey you know by the way your elections are still kind of flawed and and so the president was on it the president of russia is telling us that our elections are fraud and and and people are like nothing to see here don't worry about it right and the kgb is like yeah it's it's completely flawed the fesbo is telling but you have a opportunity right now with the president and a republican held congress Congress to actually fix a lot of these things, and they can't even get confirmations done.

We've got to get this done.

There's no question they've got to get this done before the midterms.

But if, you know, I'm hoping for that we can contribute to the midterm so we can complete this.

This is one of the reasons why Trump's got to give this people.

We need to do a lot of civil lawsuits to clean up the DOJ needs to go in, and Harmeet Dillon is doing this to her great credit, and she's a 10.

She's doing

an incredible job.

Yeah, and she needs more help.

She needs to expand her office.

The civil rights office of the Department of Justice needs to sue L.A.

County, Maricopa County for voter role violations violations because they're violations of the Civil Rights Act to get the dead voters off the voter rolls.

Okay, last question.

Yes, sir.

Make it quick and then we got to get to Dr.

Orr.

Yeah, what are you guys doing to manage and understand the biases that are being trained into AI?

Yeah.

Because it doesn't really kind of mostly go our way on that.

So

as an FYI.

Yeah, it's super concerning.

I think, I mean, I'll let Charlie speak to this because he probably has more insight.

But I was most excited about Elon coming to our side because probably like Elon helped fix

the

social media war on Republicans.

He's probably going to be our biggest ally over the course of the next 30 years.

We should keep him on our side.

To solve this problem because that's he's eccentric.

We want him on our team, not their team, period.

Well, we talked about this in our chat, Charlie.

There are what Meta and other groups are funding to hundreds of millions, to billions of dollars.

Individuals, I mean, there are individuals that are working on AI that are getting paid paid $100, $200 million individually.

Like some of the, I mean, I would assume these are some of the sharpest minds that we've ever had.

The AI race is insane right now.

And they're spending a ton of money, and we don't know who these people are.

Like, you know, someone brought up a good point.

I think Blake brought up this good point.

It's like, we know who pro football players are who are making $100 million.

You know, we know LeBron James, right?

You know, these guys.

We probably should know the names of the people who are probably going to be impacting us individually

in such a big way.

So I will say

I'm glad Elon is still signaling that he's not a man of the left.

He still believes in what he said previously.

He's just, I think, had a personal fallout, which I hope can be remedied.

Because Grok is okay, but it's not as good as ChatGPT.

It's just not.

I don't know if anyone cares about this.

I could talk about AI all day long, but Grok needs to grow because we need a non-woke AI, period.

You need a non-woke AI.

And Grok even has some problems.

But yeah.

Well, I was just going to say to you, Charlie, this can come in super useful for us and how we contact voters.

Yes.

Yeah.

And I'm not talking about Elon robots talking to voters.

Like, we don't need that, but we need human-to-human interaction.

But the hardest thing with our voter interaction, and as we've developed technology, is teeing up the conversation.

So your conversation is going to look a lot different than my conversation would be with a voter.

So AI can be actually very useful and helpful to be able to read data, manipulate it quickly, bring it, spit it back and find trends.

And Joe, how Charlie might talk to the voter and how I might talk to the voter might be very different and find different trends that we align with.

Yeah, AI could say, okay, here's 50 things we know about Joe Smith, Plumber, Cardinals, fan, but write a script that has a 90% likelihood of working.

And also take into consideration you and your stuff so your conversation becomes much more organic and natural when you talk to him for the first time.

Tyler, you're doing an awesome job.

He's going to be around late, everybody, for more questions.

I'm here.

Thanks, Charlie.

Great job, man.

Thanks for all the hard work.

Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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