What Gen Z Thinks About Israel — Thoughts From Our SAS Focus Group

Speaker 1 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio. What do young people think about Israel? Israel has a disproportionate amount of time and attention in our media.

Speaker 1 So I thought we'd go straight to our Turning Point USA students and ask them what do they think about Israel? Are they supportive? Are they against?

Speaker 1 What do they think of all this rise and this disgusting, repulsive Jew hate? We moderate a focus group at our Turning Point USA event in Tampa, Florida. I think you'll love it.

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Speaker 12 Tee, we're going to play a word association test.

Speaker 13 What's the first word that comes to mind when you hear Israel?

Speaker 12 Judaism.

Speaker 9 Aid. Aid.

Speaker 8 Manyahu. Tax dollars.

Speaker 14 Liability.

Speaker 15 Sacred.

Speaker 16 Tax dollars.

Speaker 7 Conflict. Complex.

Speaker 17 Controversial. Scary.

Speaker 8 Strategic.

Speaker 18 Masad.

Speaker 20 So, Mossad, of all the different things that would come to mind, why does their intelligence service come to mind?

Speaker 17 Reminds me of the CIA.

Speaker 24 You know, it has the CIA, you have the CIA involved with RFK.

Speaker 24 I mean, there's rumors going around, maybe Massad was a part of the Epstein files, if maybe Mossad was a part of things that we don't know about. And

Speaker 24 just like the Central Intelligence Agency, they are out there doing things that none of us know about.

Speaker 2 So to say Mossad first, that would basically imply your first impression is one of doubt.

Speaker 26 Is that fair to say? Yes.

Speaker 18 Okay.

Speaker 27 When you hear like Epstein, right? Do you connect the Epstein issue initially, like immediately, like first connection in your mind, that's also connected to Masada and Israel? Or

Speaker 27 they feel separate in your mind?

Speaker 22 Sufferance.

Speaker 15 I think there's a growing consensus that there's a connection there among Gen Z.

Speaker 20 Yeah, I think that's definitely gaining velocity.

Speaker 18 Who used the word aid?

Speaker 29 You did.

Speaker 23 Why did that come to mind first?

Speaker 9 It's

Speaker 30 very similar to our support for Ukraine. We're sending a lot of money over there,

Speaker 30 not really getting,

Speaker 30 in my opinion, a huge return on investment.

Speaker 30 And so that's like the first thing that comes to mind because when people talk about their distrust or dissupport for Israel, that's the first thing that usually comes up is all the money that we're sending them.

Speaker 15 I think we have a lot bigger issues at home.

Speaker 15 I think we should be spending most of our tax dollars on securing our border, keeping our home people safe, rather than, I mean, we've seen illegal immigration that Joe Biden let through our southern border come in and we've seen thousands of Americans die because of it.

Speaker 17 I think we have a much bigger problem on the home front rather than sending money to foreign countries.

Speaker 32 I think it's critical that we remain friends with them. They remain our ally.
I just don't think we should be subsidizing them as much as we are.

Speaker 27 When you talk about return on investment, I think that's an interesting way to frame it.

Speaker 27 The supporters of Israel will say they're doing a lot of America's dirty work from intelligence gathering, things like that, within the Middle East.

Speaker 27 Is that compelling to you? Are you persuaded by that argument?

Speaker 30 The reason why I'm not super persuaded is especially, it's mostly because of here recently. We were kind of drug into it.

Speaker 30 We were negotiating, we were having negotiations, and then they struck, they killed the people we were negotiating with, and it kind of derailed everything and sped up the conflict a little bit.

Speaker 6 It was the State Department's stated goal that we were working on negotiations with Iran. You can say they wouldn't have panned out.

Speaker 6 You can say that maybe they were imminently about to collapse, but we were still in active negotiation and yet Israel launches Operation Rising Lion to go in and strike Iran

Speaker 6 while we are mid-negotiation.

Speaker 13 How many of you guys would say you think Israel got us into that conflict?

Speaker 18 You would say yes.

Speaker 13 You would not say so much?

Speaker 36 I think we were willing to join that conflict. I don't think we were pulled in unwantingly as if we were dragged by a leash, you know, in more uncertain terms.

Speaker 36 I think we have the authority and the say of whether or not we want to be involved in that conflict. And I think we saw the prosperity that we would would unleash if we joined the conflict.

Speaker 27 When you think about Israel's history in the region, and even with Hamas or Iran, these nations have sworn to destroy and annihilate the nation of Israel, right?

Speaker 27 At what point does it become,

Speaker 27 given the context, at what point are you going to be okay or would you never be okay with the U.S. defending Israel's right to exist and essentially saving the country?

Speaker 30 I think they absolutely, I mean, first and foremost, they have a right to exist. They have a right to defend themselves.
That's not

Speaker 30 my issue with it.

Speaker 30 I can kind of give an analogy: that

Speaker 30 our house is burning down, and so is our neighbors, and we're trying to put their fire out before we put ours out. That's kind of how I view it.

Speaker 27 So, when you guys find out, and I don't know if you're aware of this, but when you find out that we're basically every year we send about almost $4 billion to Israel, does that make you upset, or do you understand it given that they're under sort of crisis ongoing?

Speaker 24 I would say upset, and the amount over since 1948, it amounts to 319 billion adjusted to inflation.

Speaker 24 And I'd say that I can think of multiple things that we could have spent at home that would have been a better allocation of our taxpayer dollars.

Speaker 24 And I feel like this money could have been well spent in supporting an economy that would support our generation being able to afford homes rather than military strikes for Israel.

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Speaker 18 What else?

Speaker 20 What would you want to see from their government?

Speaker 39 If their government came out and said, we have a five-year plan to decouple from U.S.

Speaker 19 aid, would that help people's view of Israel?

Speaker 3 If they said, hey, we want to be self-reliant?

Speaker 22 Yes, one reason.

Speaker 9 Absolutely.

Speaker 33 Do you think that would help? Yes.

Speaker 13 If they're like, thank you for the help since 1948.

Speaker 25 We're a rich country.

Speaker 18 We've balanced our budget.

Speaker 29 We have money in our sovereign wealth fund, which they actually do.

Speaker 35 Thank you.

Speaker 39 We're now going to decouple over the next five years and basically transition.

Speaker 13 Do you think that people would think higher of Israel?

Speaker 8 At least we'd stop talking about it so much.

Speaker 3 Would you put that as a primary?

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 41 I would say that can kind of follow up with a lot of other things.

Speaker 41 Even European nations, I feel like they were kind of like, even Trump

Speaker 41 had to even out NATO so that everyone was kind of paying the same, not the same amount, obviously, 5%.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 41 But just because

Speaker 41 nobody wants a, a lot of Americans do not want people freeloading off the United States.

Speaker 31 And as you said, $319 billion being sent to Israel over all these years, that's comparable to the amount we've sent to Ukraine.

Speaker 31 And there's been a lot of controversy over that, and yet not as much over Israel.

Speaker 18 And people are judged very heavily if they critique that aid that is given to Israel.

Speaker 31 I think I'm pro-Israel. I support them.
I believe Israel has a right to exist. I believe that they are the only state in that region with the right to exist.

Speaker 31 But why are we treating them differently than any other ally?

Speaker 42 Should we not be judging them, holding them to the same standard?

Speaker 29 Your view is articulated by a lot of young people and held by a lot of young people. Because let's now take a step back and let's now broaden it.

Speaker 13 How many of you guys think when a lawmaker and a man I respect, like Ted Cruz, uses the Bible to justify aid to Israel, doesn't even know the verse, do you guys think that's like not the best way to approach this?

Speaker 4 Raise your hand.

Speaker 28 Okay. I think Ted Cruz is Genesis 12, 3.
I think a lot of people see that as off-putting when you look at the New Testament. Why?

Speaker 28 Because I think a lot of people, they look especially at the writings of Paul where he talks about how the new flesh is not the same as the people in the old covenant.

Speaker 28 The new flesh is everybody, is everyone's included.

Speaker 27 You care about Romans 9. Yes.

Speaker 2 Are you Catholic?

Speaker 28 Converting Catholic from Judaism.

Speaker 31 This is my next question. Oh, from Judaism?

Speaker 34 Yes. Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 you're ethnically Jewish. Ethnically Jewish, yes.

Speaker 43 And you have concerns about APAC.

Speaker 19 Yes, I do.

Speaker 18 I'm told that, by some people, that if I criticize APAC, I'm anti-Semitic.

Speaker 17 I think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 28 I feel like it's great to have a concern for your country.

Speaker 22 Do you think that

Speaker 23 APAC represents,

Speaker 39 again, I'm not saying I believe this, but I think this is what you're saying, that it represents a kind of cutting in line of prioritization away from the American people.

Speaker 18 Would you guys say that's a fair summary?

Speaker 18 Meaning that, like, okay, we vote, we're citizens, but a separate group gets higher priority because of whatever reasons.

Speaker 33 You look like you want to

Speaker 43 chime in.

Speaker 4 The entirety of the idea of a PAC is to represent a group, but the fact that

Speaker 4 we're allowing a group that doesn't even represent American interests to influence the people who are supposed to be representing us, I have a huge problem with.

Speaker 4 And that's why I've said this before, and a lot of people don't like when I say it.

Speaker 4 I actually think there's probably like 20 representatives between Senate and House who I think are actually fully doing the work of the American people and don't have the interests of some group holding their sway.

Speaker 27 But when you hear that lots of other countries also are lobbying,

Speaker 27 do you think, I mean, that you probably don't know the names of those countries, but it's happening. Does that upset you equally? Or is APAC just get all the press because it's so top of mind?

Speaker 4 If those other ones are doing the same thing, of course. I do not think that other countries should be telling us how to spend, you know,

Speaker 4 telling our representatives and people who are here to represent all of us that they should be focusing outside of the United States.

Speaker 17 America first.

Speaker 9 Thank you.

Speaker 6 I find prophecy as policy generally to be theologically problematic.

Speaker 6 I mean, there's plenty of things that the Bible says that have been done throughout parts of history that certainly a nation state doing today we would see as a bit of a problem.

Speaker 6 When it comes to sending these, what, you said 300

Speaker 6 to any foreign country, all I can think about is across our own southern border, we have an actual military in the form of the cartel that kill thousands of people, and that's leaving out the hundreds of thousands of Americans that have died to drug overdoses due to drugs that have come across our southern border.

Speaker 6 And it's insulting that that money goes anywhere else because we have such a huge problem here.

Speaker 27 Yeah, I have a, I want to kind of flip this word association game around just slightly because we haven't done it yet. When I bring up Gaza, Gazans, Hamas, let's just keep Hamas out of it.

Speaker 27 Gaza and Gazan.

Speaker 7 What comes to mind?

Speaker 9 Complicated.

Speaker 34 Life. Destruction.

Speaker 32 I'd say differences. Parish.

Speaker 44 Parish.

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Speaker 19 What is the impression that you guys have of what's been happening in Gaza?

Speaker 40 It doesn't have to be a singular word.

Speaker 41 I would say like a severe loss of life.

Speaker 41 I feel like that's always a bad thing, no matter which way you look at it, no matter who's, I mean, yeah, basically no matter who's dying, it's never really a good thing.

Speaker 31 And you perish.

Speaker 18 So would you say that on social media you see a lot of maybe

Speaker 38 kids dying or death and destruction?

Speaker 18 Is that getting fed into your algorithms a lot?

Speaker 45 Yes, and actually on our school's campus, they'll have these little missing kid posters and at the and in those posters they'll read about these kids who have died to

Speaker 45 They try to have us to have more sympathy for them. And it's like, at the end of the day, as you had mentioned, they are humans.
We already have sympathy for them.

Speaker 43 So on campus, now let's do something we haven't done.

Speaker 39 Has there been any awareness for the Israeli hostages?

Speaker 18 Is that... No.

Speaker 29 I think that's also important to talk about, right?

Speaker 27 Or the 1,200-plus that were massacred that day.

Speaker 34 Yeah,

Speaker 21 nearly 1,300.

Speaker 8 So that's a factor, because I think we need to have a balanced conversation about it.

Speaker 27 Word association game. One issue you wish we were focused on instead of Israel, what would it be?

Speaker 9 I've got to say, continue on the border.

Speaker 34 Border.

Speaker 15 Deportations.

Speaker 42 Housing.

Speaker 44 Housing.

Speaker 24 Families.

Speaker 23 How many of you guys at least get the impression that Israel matters more than having young people be able to own homes?

Speaker 2 Raise your hand.

Speaker 46 It's divide and conquer. We can do a lot of things.
This is why there's so many cabinet secretaries.

Speaker 46 This is why we have a government that can do a lot of things is because we can focus on foreign stuff stuff and we can also focus on domestic stuff.

Speaker 46 I personally am pretty all right with a lot of what we have been doing, but I do understand where a lot of Gen Z is coming from with a lot of this because, like I said,

Speaker 46 we can't buy homes, we can't afford anything, we can't really afford anything.

Speaker 23 Do you guys see Jew hate increasing amongst your generation?

Speaker 30 I think that there's a lot of collusion between criticism and hate.

Speaker 30 I think that there is legitimate hate out there, but a lot of criticism is being framed as hatred or you don't support this because you're criticizing it.

Speaker 30 And that's like, I think that that's a little inseparable from what they're doing.

Speaker 23 Yeah, do you guys think it's anti-Semitic to say you don't like Bibi Netanyahu?

Speaker 9 No. No.
I don't believe so.

Speaker 18 There is a rise of Jew hate, but it's not the majority mover.

Speaker 20 I think the majority mover of Gen Z and Gen Z conservatives is exhaustion.

Speaker 24 Precisely.

Speaker 13 Would you guys think that's a fair categorization?

Speaker 21 Yes,

Speaker 25 again, there is like an isolated like weirdo, I hate Jews.

Speaker 29 We don't like that.

Speaker 20 No one in decent society wants that.

Speaker 22 But instead, it's kind of like, can we just, I don't know, make it so I can buy a home?

Speaker 22 Or like deport people? Exactly.

Speaker 35 Does that resonate with you? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 34 Exactly.

Speaker 18 You're not anti-Israel.

Speaker 21 You don't wish them harm.

Speaker 23 You're not cheering on Iran.

Speaker 14 No, I support Israel. I think they're our ally.
I want them.

Speaker 25 But you would be called an anti-Semite by some people for saying this.

Speaker 14 And I think that's ridiculous. I don't hate Jews because I think a nation should defend themselves.

Speaker 9 Exactly.

Speaker 14 Like, I think that's the most ridiculous thing ever. I feel like it's becoming like the word racism.

Speaker 15 Like, we just disagree with them, so we just have to call them a name. I don't think they're actually anti-Semitic.
I think people just can't agree with them and they can't prove them wrong.

Speaker 15 So they just throw a word out and be like, you're anti-Semitic for because you think that we should stop spending our money there.

Speaker 14 Something that I see amongst the people I'm around, I do see more like general disdain towards, I mean, just being honest, Jewish people. That's correct.

Speaker 14 Just because they're constantly being told that you hate Jews, and it's like, fine.

Speaker 14 If you're going to say I hate Jews over and over and over again, like, if I'm going to be convicted of the crime, I might as well do the crime. I fear the same thing happens with all the talk of race.

Speaker 14 The more we talk about it, the more we bring it up,

Speaker 9 the more racism actually happens.

Speaker 35 This is like, I try to tell,

Speaker 25 thank you for saying this.

Speaker 25 Because like, this is, I try to tell these people, and they're like, we must get more aggressive. And so, like, let me ask a question.

Speaker 38 If we were to say, if we were to remove, like, if people said what Tucker said is anti-Semitic, I don't hold that view but it's like a lot of people on Twitter are like calling us out and like whatever that's not gonna happen but um if we were to cancel Tucker would anti-Semitism anti-Semitism increase or decrease I think increase because that means any supporter of Tucker Carlson's statement therefore makes them anti-Semitic

Speaker 13 association 100% exactly but the binary that's presented is that if you don't passionately talk about it, you are a hater.

Speaker 8 That's probably destructive for everybody involved.

Speaker 22 So for me, I'm trying to find this new path, which is I love Israel.

Speaker 17 I visited there. My wife and I had the best experiences ever.

Speaker 43 I saw where Jesus rose from the dead and he walked on water.

Speaker 43 But also I'm an American, and I represent a generation that can't afford anything, and that we are like flooded with illegals, and no one speaks English, and our hospitals are clogged.

Speaker 25 I think we need to have the prudence to reject the Jew hate.

Speaker 17 Like, okay, we're not going to put up with that.

Speaker 8 That's dumb.

Speaker 25 But also, if you call everyone an anti-Semite, if they don't take a puritanical view of the Netanyahu government, then I think that's it's bad for everybody.

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Speaker 27 So would you guys all basically safe to say welcome us not talking about Israel nearly as much?

Speaker 9 Yes,

Speaker 9 every day.

Speaker 25 A cope that is often found in broken institutions, and I found this now over 13 years.

Speaker 23 It's a great truism you guys can learn for the rest of your life.

Speaker 18 Anybody that tells you we have a messaging problem, you should go a step deeper and ask another question.

Speaker 29 Being like, what, are you actually doing something wrong or are you bad at messaging it?

Speaker 18 Because people that are doing bad stuff will sometimes be like, well, we're just not presenting it correctly.

Speaker 9 Sometimes that's true.

Speaker 25 Or sometimes there actually might be something beneath the surface that you're not doing well. So do you guys think that it's a messaging problem or that it's

Speaker 23 an actual material concept problem?

Speaker 31 It's a values and priorities problem.

Speaker 16 Yeah, it's definitely a messaging problem. These politicians, they don't need to be car salesmen.
You know, we need the truth. We need the direct truth and nothing but the truth.

Speaker 16 But these politicians, they're not. They're not truthful.
You know, they're digging Gen Z down in the dirt.

Speaker 13 Who represents you best outside of Trump?

Speaker 22 Well, thank you. That's a great question.

Speaker 35 And I don't do that just for the sake of it either.

Speaker 4 I mean, you're here involving us for a reason because we are the important group. We're going to inherit all of these issues.

Speaker 21 No, again, again, the reason I'm doing this is is that the reason we're doing this focus group, and Andrew will attest, I've been trying to tell them that there is an earthquake coming on this issue and in the country, and they don't believe me.

Speaker 22 So I'm like, why don't you just hear it from people themselves?

Speaker 24 If we don't get young conservatives in, we're going to end up losing to the Democratic Party because they're starting to get the younger generation involved within their representation.

Speaker 24 And it's just if we don't start getting these young people from our generation or the next generation above us into Congress,

Speaker 24 then we're going to start losing.

Speaker 13 When this debate pops up on your social media feed or on campus, what is the most persuasive pro-Israel point that you have seen or heard?

Speaker 19 Talk more about how they help us with intelligence,

Speaker 28 especially with this new conflict with Iran. If you want to use that, say, like, hey, Israel is very helpful in us deflecting with Iran and

Speaker 28 give us influence over them because we can have more intelligence.

Speaker 23 Do you find it persuasive when the Israeli tourism board is bragging about how many gay pride parades they have in Tel Aviv?

Speaker 29 No. Does that make you more pro-Israel?

Speaker 18 No.

Speaker 12 So what else is persuasive for you?

Speaker 47 I would try to educate about Islamic terrorism. I think that's major, especially with the fact that we lived through 9-11.

Speaker 47 I think a lot of people in my generation don't understand how big of a situation it was. We know nothing about it for the most part.

Speaker 28 I think maybe one other point maybe is about the Holy Land as well.

Speaker 28 He could make a point going to the Holy Land, filming me doesn't say Israel is a better protector of the Holy Land than if there was a Palestinian state.

Speaker 23 The argument I make more than anything else.

Speaker 43 That's my biggest argument.

Speaker 41 When the United States is like a mostly Christian country, not all Christian, obviously, but a mostly Christian country, a lot of people can sympathize that that is the Holy Land.

Speaker 41 That is where Jesus Christ lived and was crucified.

Speaker 29 And rose from the dead, yes, sir.

Speaker 48 Islamic terrorism is that's a better messaging because it kind of connects Israel. It's a threat to Israel and the United States together at the same time.

Speaker 19 So it brings it home to people.

Speaker 27 One of the conversations we've had is that this Holy Land thing, there is a hunger for the Holy Land, for the old things.

Speaker 27 Yeah, the old things, the ancient things. I think so much of modern life is very feels very transient and new.

Speaker 28 And also just the stability of it for being there for 2,000 years. And also the fact that it's really just been the bedrock of traditionalism.

Speaker 28 And I think you talked about in your speech about how there's a lot of liberal evangelical churches. So it's like, how can I get to a more traditional style of life?

Speaker 32 I mean, I'm Catholic as well and grown up Catholic. And

Speaker 32 one of the biggest things that I do like is that Israel holds the roots of a lot of Western religion and that it is critical for

Speaker 32 us as Americans to keep them.

Speaker 13 So this is very important, and we're going to have to close here, is that American evangelicals tend to be very, very pro-Israel.

Speaker 25 Younger Catholics tend to not be.

Speaker 18 But what you're both doing, you know, soon-to-be Catholic, current Catholic, you're saying that, hey, if you talked more about the Holy Land, the place, the environment, the reality, the artifacts, right, the discoveries, where Christ our Lord bled on, you know, on the Catholic Church, the Via de la Rosa is a big deal, right?

Speaker 12 It's huge.

Speaker 18 The stations of the cross.

Speaker 21 Catholicism is a very tactile religion.

Speaker 2 You'd think that that actually is more persuasive than any theological argument being like, this Holy Land must be protected so we can access, that we can worship, that we can prove, and we don't want a bunch of Muslims taking this place over like they did with Bethlehem.

Speaker 40 Do you think that is a winning argument for evangelicals, for Christians, more so than gay pride parades in Haifa?

Speaker 9 Absolutely. Absolutely.
Yeah. 100%.

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