Defunding Woke, Once and For All

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, one of the things that

Charlie loved most was Hillsdale College, and he took all the online courses.

You should check it out: CharlieForhillsdale.com, Charlieforhillsdale.com.

But more than that, he just loved some of the great thinkers that were a part of that amazing institution.

And, you know, we just talked about Oxford Union, which is not part of Oxford or Cambridge, but it is, you know, sort of by name, it's connected to it.

But it's an institution that's really important.

And Hillsdale is tremendously important here in the United States of America.

We have Dr.

David Azrad from Hillsdale.

He is an assistant professor and research fellow at Hillsdale College's Van Andel Graduate School of Government.

And he's probably of all the professors been the most frequent guest from Hillsdale on the Charlie Kirk Show.

So we're honored to have him on our show today.

Dr.

Azrad, thank you so much for making the time and joining us.

No, thank you for having me.

And I'm glad you're carrying on Charlie's legacy and you didn't cancel the show.

Good for you.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, we, you know, I'll never forget, and I don't know if i've said this on the show but you know it was basically a day or two after i remember erica looked at us and she's like you have to keep the show going they will not cancel my husband's voice they will not and you know i do feel and i know we've talked about this we we feel like we have a like a charlie gpt

thing in in in my head it was because we were having a discussion about something yesterday and i was like i know charlie would disagree with me on this but this would be my perspective and then everybody's like charlie would definitely disagree with you on that i was like i know i hear him in my head

but this would be our little collision of ideas.

Yeah, but look, you knew him much better than I did, but wasn't he all about disagreement?

I mean, isn't that the saddest?

I mean, aside from the personal human tragedy,

is that they murdered someone who dedicated his life to dialoguing.

And, you know, I have hot Mediterranean blood in me.

I could have never demonstrated the patience and the forbearance that Charlie had listening to these morons ramble, say the dumbest possible things, and the genuine patience he exhibited in talking to them.

And that's who they murdered.

I mean, they killed the guy who I think best represented the conservative ideal of dialoguing with the other side, which really raises the question whether, you know,

We should keep on dialoguing with these people.

Oh, interesting.

Well, yeah, let me know what are your thoughts, Doctor?

I mean, you know, we just watched this No Kings rally, and I confessed

I was having similar thoughts.

I mean, if you're going, and we just had the Oxford Union folks on talking about what they saw, there was a president-elect that celebrated Charlie's murder, said, let's effing go on a private WhatsApp group message.

And there's a vote of no confidence that succeeded to oust him from this role.

And it's not that we're anti-free speech, but there is a line that you can cross.

And polite society, whatever you want to call it, common decency, common values in the West, look, there is a line where we say, I'm not arresting you for doing that.

We're not suggesting that,

but you do not deserve to represent this debate.

You do not deserve to hold this position.

You do not deserve to be a teacher of...

And by the way, we're still waiting on Lucy Martinez, STEM teacher at Nathan Hale Elementary School, who motioned to her neck

with her hand, mocking Charlie's assassination.

we're waiting for Lucy Martinez to be fired.

There is a line, and so maybe explain what you're what you're thinking there, Doctor.

I mean, look, I'm not trying to suggest that everyone on the left uh longs for violence and it's completely unreasonable.

There are still some, I think, genuine liberal voices on the left.

You know, the famous line, I disagree to the death with you, but I'll fight, or rather, I disagree with what you say, but I'll fight with the death for your right to say it.

There are reasonable Democrats.

The problem I see is that there is a growing chorus of radical, fundamentally illiberal voices.

We should not call them liberals.

They're opposed to free speech.

They don't believe in democracy.

They don't respect the outcome of elections.

And what worries me is that the supposed centrist, liberal, sane voices on the left don't stand up to them.

They always see threats coming from the right.

So the people on the left who say that I believe in dialogue and free speech and democracy, you know, Victor Orban, Donald Trump, Bukele, Charlie Kirk, immediately full-blown freak out.

I mean, this is fascism coming to America.

Meanwhile, BLM, Antifa, no Kings rally, assassinating or trying to assassinate public officials, murdering Charlie Kirk, silence, muted condemnations, or basically the sense that, well, he practically deserved it or we're better off without him and you know the real threat to democracy in america today comes from the left i think the right recognizes it uh and

i would basically call on the reasonable voices on the left to realize that the threat today is on the left but it's almost as if it's in their dna

And they have a very, very hard time recognizing threats to their left.

They're just comfortable fighting, quote-unquote, fascists.

I think that's spot on.

And

I did a whole segment in hour one, doctor, where I listed off all the tyrannical impulses or actions of the left during the last four years of Joe Biden that we don't hear anything about now.

All we're told is that

we are enabling this dictator and we're going to rue the day when they get power back.

It's like we already rule the day that Joe Biden was elected and all of us got targeted.

Charlie had to be questioned from the J6 committee.

I mean, this is what we had to do.

And, you know, it was a, there's other examples that we could discuss.

But, I mean, here's the thing.

I mean, they targeted grandmas.

They went after Catholic schools.

They said Hunter Biden's laptop was

Russian disinformation.

They obscured or hid or censored the origins of COVID.

I mean, there is example after example after example after example.

Tried to throw Trump into prison.

So we've already lived through their totalitarian impulses, yet they have the gall to tell us that we're the ones.

So this is what's fascinating.

So, Corinne Jean-Pierre is on this book tour

media blitz, and she's kind of making a fool of herself everywhere she goes.

I mean, even Colbert last night was like, you lied about, you know, President Biden's mental decline.

She's like, No, I promise I didn't.

And it's like,

even Colbert's like, okay, I want to be really sweet to you, but you're leaving me no choice because, like, even we've given up the goat on that.

So, here, but here's what's crazy.

She goes on MSNBC this morning, and she's saying

we need to see more teeth, more fire.

Play cut 167.

Right now, in this moment,

there's an existential threat.

Our democracy is hanging by a thread.

Some people would say we're already an authoritarian regime.

And I need to see teeth.

I need to see fire.

And not just me, many people are worried and concerned.

Dr.

Azerad, we heard a lot of people say that, you know, maybe after November 2024, we're going to see the Democrat Party moderate.

But no, they they want more fire, more teeth.

I guess they want to see more activists in the streets celebrating political assassinations.

I don't know what she wants.

And look at the unhinged diagnosis.

I mean, what evidence is there that we live in a tyranny, that Trump is trying to be a king?

I mean, the guy ran on, we should secure our border.

I'm going to deport illegals.

I'm going to go after the worst excesses of wokeness.

And I believe in economic growth.

You may not agree with these ideas, but he was duly elected.

He won the Electoral College by a decisive margin.

Not that it matters, but he also won the popular vote by, I think it's 2 million votes.

And so,

where exactly is the threat to our democracy?

You brought up the list of things that happened under Biden.

I always ask my students, setting aside what you think about the particular policy, what do you think is a greater threat to democracy?

To enforce the existing laws on the books that were duly enacted by Congress and signed by presidents that say that if you enter the country illegally, you should be deported,

or to basically announce de facto open borders that we will no longer enforce the laws, not on something that doesn't matter crucially, let's say underage drinking or, you know, an adult smoking pot in his basement,

but rather in allowing the country to be flooded by third world immigrants.

I totally agree with you.

If, you know, they don't look at just, you know, turning a blind eye to legitimate laws and asylum laws, immigration laws as a form of tyranny, but it is because they are laws that govern our society.

If you're going to ignore whole sets of laws outright just because you don't like them anymore, then you are, that is a dereliction of duty.

That is a treasonous act, certainly.

And that is a form of tyranny, is it not?

Yeah, I mean, mean, look, I mean, I guess it goes down to, look, what does tyranny mean?

What does democracy mean?

I don't think you need an advanced degree.

You know, I think 10 minutes on Wikipedia could allow you to figure out that democracy should mean that you have elections, the people choose a leader, and then within the bounds of the rule of law, he gets to carry out his agenda.

And then tyranny would be the naked abuse of power with complete disregard for the rule of law.

We were not a tyranny under Biden.

I mean, otherwise he would not have lost the election.

But there are clear tyrannical impulses on the left, which, by the way, go back a long time.

You know, there's, if your readers want to do a bit of reading, it's a tedious essay, but it's quite insightful.

Herbert Marcusa, who's considered one of the founders, the fathers of the new left in the 60s, another bad German export to America, wrote an essay on repressive tolerance, in which he basically redefines tolerance and democracy to mean what the left wants and justifies violence and censorship against the right in the name of their conception of democracy.

And it's a revealing essay because he just says the quiet part out loud: democracy means the left, democracy means violence and censorship against the right.

And that's basically the way they look at it.

I think Karin Saint,

what's her name?

Saint-Pierre or Saint-Jean.

I don't remember.

Yeah.

Jean-Pierre

has never, I mean, I don't think she's read many books.

I can't even believe she wrote one, to be perfectly honest with you.

But

that idea is alive in well.

They've come to basically redefine democracy as our policy preferences.

And if you disagree with this, you're a fascist.

And they just, I mean, at this point, I think I saw a poll, 87% of Democrats think that Trump is a fascist.

What does that mean?

But what it does is, it lays down the predicate for justifying violence.

Because if he is a fascist, then why shouldn't we kill him?

Wouldn't we have been better off had we murdered Hitler?

Yeah, you're 100% right.

They dehumanize so they can justify.

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Actually, I want to welcome him into the conversation, Dr.

Azarad.

He's with me here in the studio.

Mikey, go ahead.

The floor is yours, Mikey.

Doctor, I think there's a place place where you graduate beyond reason, and the left is really good at doing this.

Men being in women's restrooms is beyond reason.

Teachers that you entrust with your children doing finger guns at their neck at a no-Kings rally to mock Charlie Kirk's death is beyond reason.

And arresting grannies for being on the steps of the Capitol during January 6th is beyond reason, especially when those same people who celebrated the arrest of old ladies for being on the steps of the Capitol then

hit Trump saying that it's not an insurrection and he shouldn't try to stop crime in some of our biggest cities by enacting the Insurrection Act.

And so, Doctor, the left is headed

to

increasingly to a place where they just do not care about common sense or reason.

And I'm a little worried.

There's institutions like Hillsdale, but at these woke universities, I'm worried that these teachers are continuing to teach their students that reason no longer matters.

And this isn't just on the universities.

This is a thing as a whole when it comes to the left.

What are you seeing when it comes to that?

But let me give you some good news.

The 60s radicals,

where a lot of these ideas basically entered the American bloodstream and became mainstream.

Look, the 60s was a failure because they failed to destroy the country.

But it succeeded insofar as these people grew up, got PhDs, cut their hair, and became the professors who run the universities that are the nerve center of the regime and that credential and train the elites.

But the 60s radicals, I think, were genuine revolutionaries who, all in all, did not want to be another brick in the wall if you're old enough to get a Pink Floyd reference.

I think the professors today and many of the students are, for the most part, small soul.

They do not have the courage of their convictions.

They talk a big game, but if you were to apply the slightest bit of pressure, I believe most of them would fold like lawn chairs.

Let me give you maybe a flippant example.

Threatened to revoke their parking privileges

at the universities, say at in red states at public universities.

If they don't start behaving, if they stop pushing the crazy trendy agenda, most of them will fall.

fold we're not we're dealing with an enemy that in a sense appears impressive because their pieties appear to be authoritative, they make so much noise, they control the institutional high ground.

But on the other hand, my experience from debating them, reading their works, interacting with them suggests that most of them are not true fanatics.

They're just not used to encountering real opposition.

And I think Trump's agenda and the second term on the universities gives us a glimpse into what could be possible.

But we need a lot more of that and we need red state governors to start putting pressure on their universities it is completely unacceptable that public universities in red states are subsidized by tax dollars and continue to promote and teach completely unhinged theories you know i would say to governor de santis shut down every sociology department at a public university in florida it's a free country if you want to study sociology go to rollins college or go to another state but we the taxpayers in florida will not subsidize these corrupt disciplines Same things with environmental studies, women's studies, queer studies, black studies.

If it's got studies in it as a rule of thumb, it's a corrupt, bogus discipline.

Shut it down.

Charlie would be cheering you on right now, Doctor.

So what do you say to the rebuttal, though, where then they just say, well, I thought you were pro-free speech.

This is like Nazis burning books.

Well, I'm not forbidding the teaching of these disciplines.

I'm saying they will not be subsidized by tax dollars.

So I brought up Rollins College as a private liberal arts college in Florida.

Let them teach whatever the hell they want.

But why are red states subsidizing

entire disciplines that are corrupt and don't contribute to the common good?

Look, why do we have public universities?

They're meant to serve the common good.

We can exercise a judgment and say that certain disciplines do not, and we won't subsidize them.

We'll shut them down.

Go teach it somewhere else.

It's not, you know, not teaching a book.

is not the same thing as forbidding its distribution.

You know, when you go to Barnes and Nobles and they have these BS displays of banned books, removing a book from a public library is not forbidding Amazon to sell it.

It's saying the tax dollars are not going to be wasted on this garbage.

You wrote an article in 2016 talking about the new red scare.

And you basically made the argument that most people, most Gen Zers and millennials, when they say we like socialism and they, you know, these polls that we've all seen, they don't actually know what kind of social, well, they don't know what it means.

They think it just means we like being nice and maybe a little bit more subsidized healthcare or whatever.

So, you wrote this article 2016.

I read it this morning.

I was like, wow, I just, I mean, talk about holding up.

I mean, this thing just aged like a fine wine.

What, uh, what are young people when they say they like communism or socialism, they're out with the, you know, protesting or they're on TikTok or whatever?

What do they actually mean?

Yeah, so my point was simple.

I wrote this when Bernie Sanders really first flared up nationally and became a big thing.

And conservatives were, you know, ripping out their hair saying, oh my God, have we learned no lessons from the the Cold War?

Marxism is coming to America.

And my point was simply that Bernie Sanders and the overwhelming majority of people who say that they like socialism are not Marxist communists.

They don't want the government to nationalize the means of industry.

They don't believe in dialectical materialism.

They don't think that the state will one day wither away.

They've never read the Communist Manifesto.

And I don't think they have the IQ to read it.

And if they tried to read it, they'd find it boring because it doesn't talk about gays, climate change, women, contraceptives, abortions, and minorities.

My point was simply that a lot of people post-financial crisis in 2008 are very angry at capitalism.

And that what Bernie Sanders calls democratic socialism, I think, is really just New Deal liberalism, i.e.,

you keep the private sector, the government doesn't nationalize companies, but you have a lot of taxes on the wealthy, you have a lot of free government programs, and then you heavily regulate the private sector to prevent it from polluting, discriminating, abusing workers or consumers.

Doctor, you're preventing it from growing.

That's what you're doing.

Yeah, but continue on.

I apologize.

Yeah, so look, that's not free markets.

It's not capitalism.

but it's not Marxist communism.

I think the interesting question, the challenge would be, would, in the long term, will it lead to actual communism?

So this was Hayek's argument in the road to serfdom, is that this ensneering of the market by the government, ratcheting by ratcheting, step by step, inevitably will lead to full-blown socialism.

I don't know about that.

That's, you know, to quote Yogi Berra, I hate making predictions, especially about the future.

But I just see in the young people who clamor for socialism, I mean, what they're basically saying is, give me free stuff.

And by the way, you know, there's a lot of that in America already.

I mean, we have a huge welfare state.

We give a lot of quote-unquote free stuff to the poor, a lot of quote-unquote free stuff to the elderly.

They're saying, well, give free stuff to everyone else.

So we have Medicare and Medicaid.

Well, then why not, you know, for the poor and the elderly, give it to everyone else.

We want free college, free daycare, free this, free that.

I don't approve of the longing, but this is not Marxism.

So we should counter it, but

understand it for what it is.

And it goes way back in the American tradition.

I mean, it's basically new deoliberalism.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's right.

I'm glad you got to explain that because that nuance is important.

We have to know the enemy that we're fighting, and we have to address it head on for what it is, not what it's not.

And I think there's just a lot of confusion.

I think you're right.

A lot of young people just want free stuff, and they think, well, why can't we have free health care?

for everybody.

Well, you know, if we could find a way to pay for it, maybe it's not a terrible idea.

But in the meantime, as Margaret Thatcher said, the problem with socialism, you eventually run out of other people's money.

So we're always going to be confronted by the shackles of reality.

Dr.

Azerad, thank you so much for joining us and making the time.

Thank you for having me.

Enjoy the conversation.

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So, really quick, a couple news items just to get out of the way.

There was a planned meeting between the U.S.

and Russia that has been called off.

Marco Rubes called that off, so I want to make sure the audience knows that.

So, they're having productive calls, but the meeting has been called off.

So, the little saber-rattling and all that.

And then, another news: John Brennan has been referred for criminal charges by Jim Jordan.

So, those are topics that we're going to probably have to unpack tomorrow, but that is all breaking.

And it's very fascinating stuff.

And

we will get to it, I promise.

But in the meantime, we're going to welcome Jordan Harmon from Angel Studios.

Welcome to the set.

You walked in and you said what is, I think,

you know, the first time that when you come to this set and you see Charlie's empty chair, it is a bit surreal.

Yeah, I mean, it's...

I mean, obviously the last time I was here,

we had lunch with Charlie, and I remember talking to him during lunch and asking him,

Do you ever worry about something,

you know, some crazy going and doing something crazy on one of these campuses?

And he's like, you know, if that's the way God takes me, then that's the way I go.

And obviously, that hits differently now because it's like,

you know, he's not here anymore.

And so,

yeah, it's surreal for so many.

I have so many emotions walking into this room because it's, you know, he just, he was one of the best of us.

Yeah, well said.

I mean, Mikey can attest.

I mean, we,

I think we all had our moment like that with him where we talked about that stuff.

And he was incredibly courageous and brave.

And I mean,

with that being said, like over the last 12 years since we started Angel, it's obviously grown over the years, but we've gone through some many ups and downs.

And Charlie, from the moment we met him, became a fan of what we were doing.

And he defended us in the ups and the downs.

I think that's kind of a testament to what many people have said is when they were in their hardest times, you know, I was chatting with Will Sharf a couple weekends ago and he was just saying he was in his darkest moment and the first person to call him and text him was Charlie.

You know, like classic.

It's just, that's just who he was.

And so, you know, there was many times, whether it was through controversies or frustrations or people, you know, Angel going through different times in our company's history.

Charlie was pretty, I mean, he was constant.

Like he was there.

He wanted to support.

He loved what we were doing.

And so, man, I'm just honored and grateful to be here.

Well, thank you for making the time to come out.

But Mikey, I don't know if you want to chime in on that because that's so Charlie.

What you're explaining is like so Charlie yeah when when somebody's down the first person to reach out to them that's Charlie and it's he's also the most loyal person ever and that it didn't matter if you had done something so bad if he was loyal to you he would he would step up for you and be there when you needed somebody the most and it was typical him so I'm not surprised

yeah he's always an uplifting guy yeah and you actually you know you guys put out a video I guess like the week after it happened like maybe a week after whatever and you just you honored Charlie I thought it was so well done, and I thought it was so tasteful, you know, because there were people trying to, I think, I don't know, they just would do it wrong.

They do it in a way that was just not quite right.

And you just did it in a way where you were honoring Charlie's legacy.

You were honoring what he meant to you, what he meant to Angel.

And you were, it was like a heart cry of just your mourning and your grief.

And I thought it was just really beautiful.

And

I remember I sent it to a bunch of people and I said, like, listen, if you want to honor Charlie, this is the model.

This is how you do it.

Because it really, you could just see it came from your heart.

And I knew that

you were reflecting in the piece of just like everything that Charlie had meant to you guys personally, but

how he had helped champion your company and how devastated you were that he wasn't there to do that anymore for you.

Yeah, I think, you know, it's funny because you say that.

I've read this message multiple times.

And I'm sure that anybody who's had a direct relationship with Charlie has probably gone back through their messages and read messages from him.

But I I remember, you know, one of the last messages he sent me was because we had, you know, obviously King of Kings has blown up.

He had been a huge part of promoting that because he loved it for his kids and his family.

And I, you know, I deeply wish he could have seen David, the movie coming out this Christmas, because it has that same impact.

But his text message said, because I was just saying thanks for fighting the good fight.

And he said, thank you.

And then he always included an incredible scripture, you know, that was always so timely.

Romans 10, 9, because if you confess your mouth that Jesus is the Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you'll be saved.

And he said, Let's share the truth of the resurrection daily with boldness and love.

God bless you, my friend.

Wow.

So he's just, I mean, he's just, that's like

everything he did was his testimony to Jesus Christ.

And it's just like, it's, man, sorry.

I told myself I was not going to get emotional today.

Trust me.

And it's impossible.

My wife and I have many tears.

So anyway.

Yeah.

You know, it's one of those things, like, we have this terrible reality that we live in where, like, people either think we're being too happy or too sad or we're not doing it right.

And it's like everybody's a critic.

Everybody's a critic.

And it's like, you know,

it's one of those things where it's not, I mean,

you know, the morning process is not linear and it comes in waves.

It does.

And

you take it, Mikey.

Yeah.

You got that northern European stoic led.

Yeah.

He

lived his faith every day.

Yeah.

And every morning he would send a scripture to, he would go through his phone and just send off a scripture to everybody.

And

we talk a lot about people just living their faith.

And I've had a conversation with Erica and Frank Turek about how Charlie, when he was killed, died at the peak of his faith.

And it was like he had loved the Lord the most at that moment in time.

And how much he was reading the Bible and how much he was studying it and prepping for it.

That entire campus tour, he had a big notebook of things to reference.

It was the binder, but then he had a second binder that was all just Bible-oriented.

And what Andrew said, these things were prove me wrongs.

They're debates, but they're really tent revivals.

And he was always proclaiming the name of Jesus at these things.

And it's an amazing thing.

It's a challenge for all of us to not just live our faith, but hopefully one day we can die at the peak of our faith.

That's super powerful.

I will say that.

I wish I

there was parts of me that wishes I had been because, I mean, he was in Utah.

He was five minutes from our office of you know when he when he was killed and so that that assassination when it happened I was actually in New York City because we were going public the next day and and I got the message on Liberty Island with my wife and kids and I was standing behind the Statue of Liberty when I got the message like this can't be real like one I knew he was at UVU had we not been going public that week I probably would have been there at UVU with you guys at the tent but I was like

you know I saw the message and I was standing by and just like this huge like like, it settled in, and that it was like, the first, the first thing I thought was like, God, why did you let them take like one of the best of us who's just like driving this forward?

And then it kind of came into my mind, no, it's because he's one of the best of us that God let him take him because, and that God was gonna, it became clear in my mind that God was gonna use that moment to do something special.

And then you look at the last like, you know, month and a half and how incredibly powerful it's been.

I do believe,

oh, I wish I could have been there.

I'm glad Jeff and Neil made it to the memorial, memorial, but I had some conflicts with family stuff.

But I do believe that that memorial service probably,

I say probably as a caveat, but I believe it was the most broadcasted moment of testifying of Jesus Christ that's ever happened in human history.

Yeah, I definitely believe it's at least one singular moment.

Yeah, I mean, we tracked over 120 million streams just like from our stuff, and there was countless, I mean, I'm telling you, countless of other accounts that were just taking the stream and broadcasting.

So, we had no idea how many, how broad it was, but at least 120 million, but probably, let's just say, double that, maybe triple.

It's like God said, I'm calling you home, and I'm going to accelerate your mission.

You know, one of the things that I heard from multiple people was this vision,

and the fact that you hear it from multiple people almost, I think, actually strengthens the fact that

it's probably true.

Is that, and it's, it's hard for me to talk about, especially because you got the emotions for me flowing, but so I'm going to try my best here.

But,

you know, that they saw this picture of Charlie standing before the Lord, and right as it happened, and that he was perplexed.

He was joyful.

You know, he's standing before the Lord.

Of course, there's joy there, but he's also perplexed.

And he looks back and he said, I want to go back.

You know, I want to go back to Erica and I have this mission.

And God was like, Jesus was like, yeah, you can go.

But before you do,

I want you to see the harvest if you stay and if you come home.

And the Lord showed him the harvest, and Charlie said, Okay, Lord, I'll come home.

I love that.

And I believe that

we are just at the very beginning of seeing what the harvest ultimately will be, and how many more Charlie Kirks there's going to be just born out of this moment, and how much, how many, you know, make heaven crowded was what Charlie and Erica used to always say to each other.

And

I think that Charlie's life is ultimately the embodiment of that very idea.

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I just, you know, for what it's worth, I mean, you know, the King of Kings, Charlie loved promoting that project because it was right on Easter.

And, you know, it was one of the, like, there's, I'll be honest, there's some projects you guys would do that he was more enthusiastic than others.

But King of Kings, King of Kings was one of the top, top ones because, I mean, what's not to love about it was just about Jesus and

it really was like easter inference for you really big and i know charlie played a big role in that because i kept hearing like charlie charlie's you know his reads are amazing and like he's really getting a lot of people out to this thing so maybe just in the minute we have in this segment tell us uh about that particular project and what he did for it and then we'll talk about uh the truth and treason in young washington coming up yeah i mean charlie obviously with king of kings that came out at easter it was it was for us that we the angel guild our membership that has to green light every project before we ever take it out into distribution they gave that one of the highest ratings we've seen to date.

And it really was kind of the passion of the Christ for kids where they could go and experience something that was monumental.

And there were so many moments actually in that movie where we saw people would send in footage of kids just in tears watching Christ be crucified, but in this way that was approachable and meaningful.

And I think Charlie caught that vision like right off.

And so he went into that and just was constantly doing his reads and talking about it more than he ever needed to.

And it did have an impact.

It ended up being the number one biblical animated opening of all time.

And it's coming up on 80 million in the global box office, which is absolutely remarkable.

Oh, that's fantastic.

And our team went and found your tribute to CK video.

So we're going to play that and

watch that.

Our good friends at Angel Studios, I love Angel Studios, amazing new film this holy week.

Phenomenal, in fact.

As I think about Charlie's life and how much of a support he was of Angel, it's hard not to feel so grateful for what he did.

He supported us in our darkest days and in our brightest hours as a company.

Jeff and I and Charlie were doing lunch together.

We asked him, he said, are you at all worried about one of these college campuses?

And he just said, with so much peace in his eyes and so much peace in his heart, if that's how God takes me, then that's how I'm supposed to go.

And I feel like that was a clear message that Charlie's life is a testimony to Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior.

And his relationship with him was the most important thing that he would want the world to remember about his legacy.

Man, are we grateful to have gotten to be a little connection in the multitude of connections that he made throughout his life because it was so impactful to us.

Thank you, Charlie.

Love you.

We miss you.

We're going to continue to drive forward the good news.

Beautiful tribute that you did in the immediate aftermath.

I just thought it was so well done and so heartfelt.

So, thank you for that.

But you have Truth and Treason.

That one's

the one that's coming up soon.

It just came out this last weekend.

Oh, it did?

Opening weekend was this last weekend.

You can go get tickets right now.

I apologize.

No, no, you're good.

The interesting thing about this film is

the director's been working on it for almost 20 years, and we've been involved for almost half a decade.

And this film,

when the whole Charlie thing happened, it was this moment where

this film is more timely than ever.

It's a, you know, it's about this young man who, and tell me if this sounds familiar, you have this young man who sees culturally his entire society going in a direction that he thinks is absolutely atrocious.

And he takes his faith and truth and words, and he goes and types out these words into pamphlets and spreads them all over Hamburg, Germany to try to get truth out to the German people in a way.

And, you know, anybody who's experienced real fascism, you know,

you can't say what you want to say.

Yeah, exactly.

And so this, but this, this young man, his name is Helmut Huener, it cost him his life.

And so when the whole Charlie thing happened, we were releasing this movie literally in the next month, and we were just like, wow, what, this is Charlie's story.

It's this young man who spoke truth, who was unapologetic about his faith, and he sacrificed everything for it.

Well, and he died at, what, 17?

17 years old.

Oh, my goodness.

He's the youngest resistant fighter to ever be executed.

That's just just uh that's incredible.

Uh an incredible story and terribly tragic.

Um, but a really powerful film here.

Um, 172 is a little bit longer uh trailer, but I want to just want to be able to soak in it because uh these these uh this content is really important for our culture, so I want to soak in it.

172.

Look what I found.

I'm looking at a little red leaflet which caused the fear of the great deceiver of the people.

And enough people find out what's really going on and stand up.

Grenente.

I'm in.

We can change things.

You just have to take the first step.

It must be stated that his treasonous actions are inexcusable.

Here it is.

June.

I think it's just a matter of time now.

I could hide you.

Mr.

Big Shot Resistance Fighter.

You can't even talk to that guy at work.

Careful.

You never know who's watching.

You know what happens if they catch you.

You thought this through before you planned your little coup, right?

You talked about it as well killed.

I'm not afraid to die.

Edna knows that we are beginning to see through him.

The truth will prevail.

Yeah,

I mean, that's powerful.

And, you know, something that Charlie was very well aware of is that if you speak the truth clearly, boldly, and you call out the lies of a culture, in this case, obviously, this was Nazi Germany, but if you do it, and I mean, the same thing happened to, you know, lots of people, actually.

I think it was Socrates, was that?

When you speak the truth and

you attack the gods of any age, the false gods of any age,

then you are confronting powers that are hostile.

And that's what this story is essentially about.

For me, and I look at this story in a very unique way in that there's been this really disconcerting behavior that's been happening culturally where the far left is framing everybody as Nazis and Trump as Hitler.

And this story goes into what real fascism looks like.

Like, what we're experiencing today where people get like, you wouldn't be able to do a no-kings protest in Nazi Germany.

You know, that, that, that, that doesn't exist.

No, and so I do think it's important that we get out there and that we, we put our foot down and we say, enough's enough on the

this branding of anybody who has an alternate opinion or is a conservative or a more liberty-minded person as becoming a calling them a fascist or that they're they're a Nazi.

Well, and we're running out of time here, and I apologize, but you also have Young Washington coming up, right?

Yeah, amazing movie.

And that's going to be huge.

250th.

I want to, yeah, for the 250th anniversary, which also sort of reminds me of Charlie, as I do think of him as a modern founding father.

But I want to make sure people, if they want to see it, where do they go?

They go to Angel.

You can go to angel.com slash Kirk.

You'll see all of our stuff on there.

If you want to specifically look up the Young Washington project, just still go to angel.com slash Kirk.

You'll see all of our projects upcoming.

Anyone that's streaming currently and all the ones that are in theater.

So again, we're grateful, honored to be here.

So grateful for Charlie, his legacy, and what you guys are doing.

Thank you so much.

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