Dear Dems: This Is Exactly What Democracy Looks Like

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I am just so happy to have this day because, you know, President Trump is putting up win after

win.

And, you know, it just occurs to me that this is exactly what democracy looks like.

So if you guys could just play that clip, please.

This is what democracy looks like.

This is what democracy looks like.

This is what democracy looks like.

this is what democracy looks like this is what democracy looks like

yes I totally agree this is what democracy looks like

and with that let's play 151.

Deportation numbers hitting record highs since President Trump's return to office his administration booting more than 515,000 illegal migrants so far 1.6 million illegals have left the country on their own with immigration agents arresting 485,000

thousands excuse me dhs saying that trump is set to shatter the u.s deportation record by the end of 2025.

and what is that this is what democracy looks like can we get it again i just straightened my bank what democracy looks like yes

this is what democracy looks like this is what democracy looks like yeah record deportations gentlemen that is exactly right because what democracy looks like that is what this is what democracy looks like and you know i will say that this this was perfectly perfectly on cue with what Charlie often talked about.

He was very passionate about this issue.

So let's put it in Charlie's own words, cut 156.

You should not have to compete against a foreigner for your job.

American college graduates should come first.

And that starts with President Donald Trump, and this will affect everybody in this room regardless of age, it is time.

For the largest deportation effort this country has ever seen.

If you are here illegally, you are deported from the United States of America.

Period.

No amnesty.

Repeat after me, no amnesty, period.

End of story.

We will not put up with any exceptions, any carve-outs, any loopholes, any exceptions, any asterisks, any iotas.

I don't care if it's 10 years or 15 years.

We voted for mass deportations.

We did not vote for mass amnesty.

And we expect our leaders to deliver it and bring back our country to a place of citizenship and Americans being put first.

I mean, I just love watching the way he was so firm and clear, and he was really channeling the base energy.

This is what democracy looks like,

Mikey McCoy.

Now, Charlie hated the word democracy, actually.

He loved, he loved, well, he preferred talking about America as a constitutional republic, which is exactly what it is.

And we have a Republic of States.

They agreed to be part of a union, right?

The states made America when they agreed to join together into the United States of America.

And we have this constitution

that governs the way the country works.

And the Democrats love to say that we are anti-constitutional, that we're just empowering Trump and egging him on to do everything he wants.

And we better watch it because when a Democrat's in power, that is not what's happening here.

That is not what's happening here.

What we have is, now you see this from the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals, as it's often referred to,

that is over the western United States.

It is not traditionally a conservative court.

Now, it was a split decision, but they still did an emergency stay, a motion that says, yes, President Trump can deploy the National Guard in Portland, right?

Because they said that, yes, he's within his

authority to do so, which means the same thing is probably going to hold true in Chicago and other places.

And again, this is what the democratic process in a constitutional republic looks like.

He's hemmed in on, he has bounds to his power, but it would not be against the rules for him to declare the Insurrection Act.

He's even been teasing that he might declare the Insurrection Act.

And actually, Democrats might be surprised to understand that 33%,

about one-third of presidents, have declared the Insurrection Act in the United States.

If Democrats really were pro-democracy, they would realize and acknowledge that President Trump was elected by the Electoral College and the popular vote for, as Charlie said, not mass amnesty, but mass deportations.

So he is fulfilling the mandate that was given to him by voters to deport people.

And border crossings are 99.9%

down, which is a huge win.

We voted for this.

We voted for this.

He is more pro-democracy than they are.

And if they're going to go around and chant no kings, they don't understand that he is fulfilling the mandate that the voters placed him to do so in.

And so this is something that I'm cheering on.

And that speech that Charlie gave us from our student action summit, and that room was all full of students.

Yeah, and so he sees these students that are graduating colleges with degrees and tons of debt to go get jobs that don't exist because illegal immigrants are taking.

Well, get this.

So there's a new story breaking this morning that Amazon is planning over the course of the next, let's say, however many years, let's say the next two, three, maybe four or five years, but it's happening, imminent, brace for impact.

They're going to

engage in a mass automation process at their shipping facilities.

This means that 600,000 Americans are about to get laid off in the next couple of years.

600,000 from Amazon alone.

You're going to see this across the board.

Now, this is not Trump's fault.

This is not Joe Biden's fault, to be perfectly honest.

It is a new move of technology that is going to displace workers.

And this plays into the immigration debate because we do not need to be importing tens of millions of foreigners that are only going to increase job pressures, especially on working class Americans.

And you're going to see this at farms.

You're going to see this at factories.

Robotics is coming.

And we need to get a handle on making sure we're not letting in cheap, unskilled labor into this country for jobs that are no longer going to exist in a couple of years.

Yeah, yeah.

Between the labor market shrinking, illegal immigrants coming and taking jobs, H-1Bs, and then the technology boom, which is in, yeah, a lot of people will disagree with me on the H-1B scam.

Oh, I agree.

Yeah, but with the AI boom, you're going to see the labor market shrink in a way we've never seen before.

And so, why do we need to expedite that with illegal migrants, too?

We don't want to see it.

No, we don't.

And by the way, the H-1B scam is really infuriating because they pitch it as a program that brings in high-skilled tech workers.

But if you actually look, it's like McDonald's is hiring

$40,000 a year salaried accountant.

That's what they use H-1B.

It's completely rigged, and it's rigged against

the United States citizen.

And Charlie was very keen on the fact that it was rigged against young people.

So check out this clip.

Let's look at this.

This is President Trump signaling that he could, it's within his power, to declare the Insurrection Act.

And the Insurrection Act obviously comes from the Whiskey Rebellion when the country was just getting started.

George Washington sent troops up to quell an insurrection.

They were rebelling against taxes

on whiskey.

That's where it gets its name.

Let's go ahead and play cut 150.

And don't forget, and I haven't used it, but don't forget, I can use the Insurrection Act.

50% of the presidents almost have used that.

And that's unquestioned power.

I choose not to.

I'd rather do this.

But I'm met constantly by

fake politicians, politicians that think that

it's not like a part of the radical left movement to have safety.

These cities have to be safe.

Our cities that are Democrat-run, exclusively, just about,

are unsafe cities.

And of course, he's 100% right, Mikey.

I mean, it's like you are, you know,

you're safer to walk the streets of some, probably some war-torn areas of the world.

You're probably safer in Kiev, probably, than South Chicago.

I mean, Oaklock, I haven't, that's why they got Shirack, right?

You know, so his focusing on this crime problem is totally justified.

We don't have to live this way.

It's insane.

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All right.

So we should ask the question, you know, if this is what democracy looks like,

you know,

what does the alternative look like?

And I think we've seen a pretty good image of what the alternative looks like.

In the Democrat Party, for four years, we lived under tyranny, somebody that didn't respect the rule of law, didn't respect the Constitution.

So I put this out yesterday on X, and I got a lot of great feedback on it.

So, I mean, let's just go through a list.

This is a partial list.

This is just what I could think of off the top of my head.

I spent like three seconds on it.

Oh, well, there it is.

Thank you, team.

So, the same party that's calling Trump a king and a tyrant and calling conservatives fascists and Nazis for supporting him.

This is what they did.

They locked kids out of school for nearly two years.

They forced experimental jabs just to get to work, go out to eat, serve in the military, and then if you refused, you got dishonorably discharged from the military.

Thankfully, we've fixed that.

They completely ignored and bastardized our immigration and asylum laws to allow over 10 million illegals just to stream into the country.

They sued.

These are things that you kind of forget.

They sued to remove President Trump from the ballot.

They've tried to make it so he couldn't run for president.

They tried to imprison him for 700 years in federal prison.

They tried to bankrupt President Trump for what?

Successfully paying back a bank loan.

That's right.

He paid it back.

The bank made money.

The bank was on his team.

They were a witness on his behalf in the trial.

They worked to disbar the lawyers that...

tried to defend President Trump against this law affair.

They spied on at least eight U.S.

senators and at least one congressman that we know of in Operation Arctic Frost.

They spied on Catholic churches that dared to do Latin Mass.

They investigated concerned parents and school boards as domestic extremists.

They rewrote Title IX to force men into playing women's sports.

They tied federal funding to it.

They forced and coerced social media companies into censoring the origins of of COVID-19 on social media platforms.

They recruited this thanks to Tony Blinken.

They recruited over 50 former Intel

officials to lie and say that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation, even though they'd been gaming this out for years.

They cooed a sitting president.

They forced Joe Biden out of the race, even though he didn't want to go.

And by the way, I still have questions about that when he was in Vegas and there was that emergency health situation that we sort of heard about and and then it disappeared, and they rushed Air Force One back east from

Las Vegas.

All the police officers were like, they thought that Joe Biden was dead.

And then within five days,

he stepped out of the race.

Well, then what did they do?

They crowned Kamala Harris, their new candidate, without a single primary vote.

They weaponized the DOJ against J-Sixers, even grandmas that took selfies in the Capitol Rotunda and then walked out peacefully.

They've issued over 100 national injunctions from rogue judges, black-robe tyranny, challenging anything the president is trying to accomplish, and this administration is trying to accomplish.

Only, I don't know, about 15 against Barack Obama, far fewer against Joe Biden.

Joe Biden forgave billions in student loan debt, even after Scott said it was unconstitutional to do so.

So, yeah,

that party that did all of those things has the audacity, the gall to label President Trump a tyrant and a king.

But here's my word for you.

This is what democracy looks like.

This is what democracy looks like.

This is what democracy looks like.

This is what democracy looks like.

This is what democracy is.

That's right.

So this is what's crazy.

So did you know JFK used 3,000 Alabama National Guardsmen in June 1963 to desegregate a university there?

I believe it was a university.

LBJ,

in 1965, 1,750 National Guardsmen and 11,000 federal troops.

Eisenhower did the same thing in September 1957, 270 National Guardsmen, 1,000 Army troops.

So

this is all with precedent.

This is all within the Article II muscular executive branch

realm of the Constitution.

Yeah, and it's just, it's crazy to me because for those of you watching this program, would you feel safe with your kid at night walking the O-block of Chicago?

Would you feel safe with your kid walking the streets of Memphis or St.

Louis at nighttime or riding the subway in New York City?

And if the answer is no, that's a big problem because this is the United States of America, not Somalia or some third world country, and that's a big problem.

And you guys are going to label Trump.

as using the Insurrection Act saying this isn't an insurrection.

He's just trying to keep your kids safe on the streets.

Well, Well, and by the way, the people that aren't completely infected with TDS appreciate it.

And you see that from clips of normal people in Chicago being like, yes, please send the people you know, the guard, or in Portland where they can't get Antifa to stop harassing their neighborhood or respect noise ordinances.

You see this in D.C., where so many people are walking the streets again and restaurants are open.

You can take your family out on the streets.

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James Orr, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

So let me just try and set the plate here, set the table for everybody.

What's going on at Oxford Union?

Because it's a whole other country for us, right?

We're America First Show,

but we have a special place in our heart for this story because Charlie was there just before he was taken from us, and it was a really big deal.

And he actually debated this gentleman that ended up becoming the president-elect.

And when Charlie was assassinated, this gentleman, it was leaked, these WhatsApp group chats or whatever, where he is celebrating.

He's gleeful.

He said, let's effing go

after learning about it, which is disgraceful.

You passed the human decency test.

And then he calls a...

no confidence vote on himself, a true act of humility and virtue from this gleeful celebrator of death and destruction.

So they had the vote.

There it is.

There's Charlie actually debating sweatpants, bro, as we call him, because, you know, why wear a suit at the hallowed halls of Oxford Union, the epicenter of free speech and debate within Europe and the UK.

And he has been ousted.

But wait, there's more.

Now he's contesting it.

Dr.

James Orr, please explain what's going on.

Dr.

James Orr, of course, from Cambridge, which is another university, but we want to know all the details, please.

Well, Andrew and Mikey, it's great to be with you.

Yes, I am now at Cambridge, but once upon a time I was at Oxford.

In fact, I've been a member of the Oxford Union since 1997 when I first went up as a fresh-based undergraduate, aged 18.

And so I've been taking a very close personal interest in this.

Not just because Charlie was such a dear friend, and I know he was thrilled to have had the opportunity to debate there as well as at Cambridge.

And my goodness, didn't he do well up against

Sweatpants Bro, as you call him,

who should never really have been admitted to the University of Oxford, just to be clear.

I mean, difficult to translate his admissions grades, but they were very, very poor.

I'd certainly never let a student in with grades that bad.

I'm afraid it

looks like he was

a diversity admission, and this is

the kind of the admissions process, sadly, in Oxford is pretty corrupt.

And I'm very glad that this case, if nothing else, has drawn attention to that.

Yes, look, we may be another country, uh, but my goodness, the rules of the Oxford Union are labyrinthine, Byzantine, pretty arcane.

It's very hard for us Brits to follow what's going on.

Uh, but yes, I should stress, it does look as if Sweatpants Bro

remains president-elect for now of the Oxford Union, even though he lost by 70%

the vote of no confidence, which he called in himself on himself.

So, before anyone talks about this being an example of cancel culture, he called the vote.

Nobody else.

He called the vote, and this was not about his right to speak freely.

This was simply about whether or not the members of the Oxford Union had confidence in him as president-elect of the premier university free speech debating society in the world.

Its history speaks for itself.

And

the

almost sadly not unanimous, unanimous, but the overwhelming majority of those who voted decided that he was not a fit and proper person to uphold the institutional ethos and values of the Oxford Union.

But he is contesting the vote.

He is appealing to, wait for it, Rule 47, subsection H,

subsection 5,

which

invokes the rule that where there may have been some disciplinary issues with the way in which the proxy votes were cast, he's claiming that some were tampered with.

And so, for now, until that investigation is complete, he remains president-elect.

But look, I think his days are numbered.

And what a sorry saga,

how far the Oxford Union has fallen.

And it fills me with shame and embarrassment.

And I know all of my friends on both left and right from Oxford and beyond

are delighted that he seems to be on his way out.

I mean, I've got one or two friends.

Lord Toby Young, General Secretary of the Free Speech Union, is a dear friend of mine, is taking a very absolutist line here, saying that he should not be penalised by the union or the university for saying something offensive but lawful, and that that's free speech.

You know, I understand that, but I do think that you do not have the right to be president of the Oxford Union if you think, as I think was obvious from his reaction, from what he said in those private texts, if you think that violence and assassination are justified,

I think that just,

you know, he claimed that it did not represent

his values, but I think actually, you know, it's when we it's in the heat of the moment that very often we reveal who we are and what we think.

And, you know, I think he was roundly defeated by Charlie in that debate.

And,

you know, I think he nursed some grievances and expressed his true feelings there.

So, you know, I'm looking forward to him being, you know, formally stepping aside.

It's probably going to take another few days, but I don't think there's any realistic chance of

this disciplinary inquiry finding that the vote was

not conducted properly.

And even if it turns out that there were some irregularities, the vote will simply be held again, and I suspect he would lose by an even greater margin.

Yeah,

this is definitely student politics at its most ridiculous, and I think it gives a really bad name to the Oxford Union, which for student politics used to be an institution that gave them a lot of credibility.

But you look at the vote, it was 1,228 to 501.

So there's still 501 people that wanted to see the Oxford Union, this historic institution that used to be a place of class and hierarchy and beauty and debate and free speech, get absolutely destroyed into a husk of its former self.

Yes,

absolutely right, Mikey.

I just would add, it's not just any debating chamber.

It's not just any university.

The number of prime ministers and cabinet ministers and influential politicians who've been through that debating chamber

is

countlessly many.

So, you know, it really is an indicator of the future leadership of the United Kingdom.

And so, you know, it covers us not just the Oxford Union in shame, but the nation too and the nation's...

primary sort of elite forming engine room.

Yeah, you said something really important, which if they are no longer going to be a serious institution that used to have prime ministers and presidents and serious people come, then we will no longer take them seriously.

And we will contact every American politician and speaker.

I know Mike Pence is supposed to go there.

I've already contacted him about not going.

And so there's a lot of other people that are supposed to be debating and speaking at the Oxford Union.

If you guys are no longer going to be a serious place for free speech and debate, serious people will no longer attend.

Yeah, well, that's

absolutely right.

Dr.

James Orr, I wanted to ask you a question because I know there has already been some speakers that have said they won't attend, and there's been donations.

Apparently, the Oxford Union

is in debt.

There's financial issues.

They have a facility that needs like 4 million pounds to update it and renovate it.

There's a bunch of issues that they are facing, and this is flying right at the wrong time.

This is coming right at them.

And if they make the wrong choices in the next few days about how to deal with his appeal,

there could be be serious ramifications for the institution.

You're absolutely right, Andrew.

Membership has collapsed.

There are lawsuits all over the place.

Staff are leaving.

Trustees are resigning.

It's in a terrible state.

It's facing bankruptcy.

It's got losses of hundreds of thousands of pounds this coming year.

huge maintenance bills.

You know, I honestly think that this is the worst moment for it, reputationally, since that famous debate in the 1930s

where the motion was was this house would not fight for king and country, and

that vote was sustained.

It was a terrible moment, probably the worst moment in the history of the Oxford Union, until the last few weeks.

I really can't think of a time in its long history, it goes right back to the middle of the 19th century.

I can't think of a time when it has covered itself in so much shame,

when it's sort of horrified

the conscience of the world to the degree that it has over the last few weeks.

And I think the sooner this business is resolved and it can move forward, the better.

Dr.

James Orr,

we've still got more time with you, so I'm excited to do this, but we're going to play cut 165.

This is a clip from Charlie where he just went off at Oxford.

165.

I'll give you a thousand pounds right now if you could tell me the U.S.

citizen that was deported under Donald Trump.

You said that twice.

Yeah, the U.S.

citizen that was deported under Donald Trump.

Can anyone tell me a thousand pounds?

I'll give it to you right now.

Yeah, name?

Wrong.

Not a U.S.

citizen.

Salvador, Salvador, citizen El Salvador.

Anyone else?

U.S.

citizen, deported under Trump.

Nope, that was a lie.

You should know better than that.

You go to Oxford.

So that is a correction.

Number two, can you tell me when it comes to Charlottesville, something you said when Donald Trump said that there were people on both sides, he was actually talking about the statue debate, not what you said.

So that's a hoax.

That's line number two.

Oh, yeah, you said that somebody over here said something about Pete Hegseth being nothing more than a TV host.

You should also mention that he was a service member of the military.

And he goes on.

He goes on.

It was a great moment from Charlie.

And it went really viral, too, at the time.

I mean, and just so you know, Charlie had prepared remarks, and he listened to them at the time.

He listened to all the arguments because I think he went last.

He listened to all the remarks, and he's sitting there jotting notes down and just lie, lie, lie, deconstructing the lie.

And it kind of reminds me of that clip where Charlie says that he felt called by God

on the planet to confront evil, to confront lies, and proclaim the truth.

And so you could just see Charlie stewing there in his chair listening to all these pretentious little snot-nosed Oxford students lying about American politics.

And he's going, they don't know what they're talking about.

So anyways, Mikey, 10 seconds if you want, real quick.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just remember Blake and I were telling him, calm down, because we thought he was going to come way hotter.

And so he kept it together.

His Scottish blood was brewing.

He kept it together.

Let's welcome Daniel into the conversation.

Mikey, I'll let you take take it.

Yeah, Daniel, so for those of you who don't know Daniel Ogoloma, he had the opportunity to debate with Charlie.

They're on the same team at Oxford.

And so Daniel,

you've met George.

You've seen him before.

You missed it, but I said this is student politics at its most ridiculous.

Would love for you to weigh in on what's going on at the Oxford Union.

I think, you know, Firstly, let's be honest, you know, when he celebrated, you know, Charlie Kirk's, you know, being shot, you know, I think he crossed the moral line you know and you know no serious institution should tolerate that so I think what's happening right now is very important

you know the Oxford Union has been around for two centuries you know it's it's it's one of the last places where opposing ideas and opposing ideas um can can meet and clash without violence so for um aboronye to be chairing violence um i i think i think it's silly i think it was very silly of him and um definitely what's happening right now is is it's it is is due to him you know um i i've always thought he's he's a strange fella.

I don't know him personally, but I've seen him around the union once or twice.

And he's always got a do-rag on his head,

looking really strange.

He doesn't adhere to the dress code policy.

He's always looking scruffy.

And I've always asked myself, how is this gentleman,

the person that's going to lead this organization?

So once, you know, he said that I personally wasn't surprised once I saw his face.

and I could put

a face to the name.

And thousands of alumni and students have come out, you know, for the vote of no confidence.

And I don't think that's cancel culture.

I think that's simply just accountability.

You know, that's democracy in action.

You know, and he's now saying he won't step down because of procedural flaws, you know, in the vote, you know.

Yeah.

And George is claiming that part of this is racism as to why this no confidence vote is being placed against him.

What's your take on that?

I think it's just

it just shows his level of immaturity, You know, for him to be able to say what he did, you know, Charlie Kirk just got effing shot.

Let's go in a public WhatsApp group already shows you the kind of human being that this person is.

So, you know, when

he's ousted and he's calling it racism, you could already tell, you know, the kind of angle he's going to go down.

So I think it's a bunch of nonsense.

I know many students of color, many alumni of color who voted in the no confidence debate and are not fans of him because of what he said.

So I think it's total nonsense for him to say it's racism.

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We're talking about Oxford Union, which many believe is the most prestigious debate society on the planet, certainly within the UK and within Europe.

And Charlie was just there, and they're trying to put in place, or they were, a man who celebrated Charlie's death.

Charlie actually debated him at Oxford Union.

Why this is a big deal is because if we allow this to stand,

we understand in America that we probably wouldn't exist in our current form, and we definitely wouldn't have, if it wasn't for what we inherited from England and from the Commonwealth,

you know, the Christian society that we inherited here.

We have to maintain this posture, I think, globally, Dr.

Orr and Daniel.

I think that it's important because if we start becoming an island with the only place where we have the First Amendment that people believe in free speech, then we are going to be increasingly pressed upon by this transatlantic alliance where we're going to have our speech curtailed.

And we've seen that already, especially in Joe Biden's tenure.

So we need to insist that a robust free speech ecosystem exists within Western allies and Western countries.

And that being said, celebrating somebody's death is completely across the line.

Nobody's saying he needs to go to prison.

Nobody's saying that he's going to get a knock on the door because he tweeted about migrants or something like happens in the UK.

We're just saying he's not fit to serve in this prestigious role.

And I just want to present this to you, Darvo.

I want our audience to understand Darvo, it's an acronym for deny, attack, reverse victim, and offender.

It's a manipulative tactic used by people that have done something wrong or perpetrated

an ill or evil to avoid responsibility.

So it does not surprise me that he would deny that he did apologize.

I will say that.

But then he will reverse victim and say that now he's the victim of racial attacks and this old, you know, white institution or whatever he's saying.

But that's that is the that is the sequence of events that we're seeing.

That is the pattern that is unfolding.

Dr.

James Orr, do you believe that

George is a victim of something here?

You know this institution.

Well, listen,

look, yeah, look, nobody is victimizing him.

Nobody, he called the vote of no confidence himself.

And so, you know, nobody is forcing this on him.

He simply put this motion to the membership, and it is therefore

a matter for the membership to decide how they want to vote.

And it turned out that, you know, by a majority of 70%,

they wanted him out.

And I think the view is, look,

it's not, I think, that, you know, there's this wonderful institution of free speech, and yet, you know, yet also, you know, there are limits.

No, actually, the reason the members have taken the view that they have is precisely because it is such an important cradle of free speech.

And any such important cradle needs somebody at the helm who is publicly celebrating the values and the institutional ethos of the Oxford Union.

If you are celebrating the violent assassination of a free speech hero, somebody whose free speech credentials were obvious to everyone and certainly obvious to Abreonier because he debated him himself, then that is simply that that undermines the

institution.

It brings the reputational shame on the institution.

And so, I just one more thing I want to say, Andrew, is that I don't, we mustn't think of Abreonier's conduct as representative of the attitudes of Brits and particularly young Brits towards Charlie Kirk.

I was with my son and a few students opposite Downing Street on Whitehall two days after Charlie's assassination.

It was so moving.

There were thousands of people there with pictures of Charlie.

There were candles everywhere.

There was worship music.

There was prayer.

It was a celebration of his life.

And the following day, at this big rally in controversial rally in London, really was just a celebration of Charlie.

And it was just wonderful and very moving to see what an impact he'd had so many thousands of miles away on young Brits, people on the left and the right.

People had enormous respect for him.

So, let's not let this incident make your viewers think that somehow this is anything other than a terrible anomaly in terms of how Charlie was celebrated, how he was respected,

and how grieved so many of us are on this side of the country, this side of the Atlantic in the mother country,

at his shocking death.

And we honor him, and we're so grateful to you for carrying on his legacy.

And we are cheering Turning Point USA on from afar.

Well, thank you for saying that.

And that is something that we've brought up a lot, actually.

I brought it up with Vice President J.D.

Vance

just last week.

And yeah, there are these instances, these anomalies of people that are espousing just vitriol and hate and really evil stuff.

And they're doing it publicly.

In this instant, it was a private chat, but they are doing it publicly in the United States.

That is a small fraction of of the overwhelming amount of love that we have seen pour in from the country, this enthusiasm, and you see it in turning points growth.

I do want to just broaden this really quickly.

And Daniel, I would love for you to chime in on that.

You know, are you seeing that love for Charlie at a more sort of grassroots level, closer to the people?

Yeah, this is a bad anomaly, a bad example.

But tell us what Charlie has sort of meant more broadly for young people in and around Oxford, but all over the UK.

Firstly, I'll start.

When

Charlie was announced that he'll be speaking at Oxford, the first thing that people were saying, most of the students were saying was, why is he coming to Oxford?

Why is the president platforming him?

And you could almost see the tension in the room.

I mean, even outside the gate, when I was arriving to be, you know, to be part of the speech, there was police there, there were protesters, and there was so much tension in the room.

But what I realized when Charlie was debating is that he's not trying to

make anybody look silly, Because I know we've, you know, we've shown a clip here where he's saying, Give me a thousand pounds and I'll show you.

He's literally just trying to get his point across and show people that, look, what I'm saying is actually right.

You are just a little bit confused.

He's trying to get you on his side.

And I think we saw that with the results, we saw

an ease of the tension with the results.

You know, we got 92 people, 92 students who voted.

for the opposition and you know we were really surprised when the vote wasn't was um announced and I think it just goes to show that

people don't have issues with Charlie's views.

I think what they have issues with is the fact that he's right.

And

they have issues with the fact that he's right most of the time.

And, you know, one thing I'll say is a lot of young people respect Charlie for being

a bastion of free speech and creating platforms as a personality

that is transcending him.

You know, and that's something that we have to also see with Mr.

George Aberonier.

Everybody's saying that he's not stepping down, but I think what we need to do is focus on the platform, which is Oxford Union.

We need to uphold Oxford Union as a credible society and forget the personality.

And I think that's something that we saw with Charlie.

He focused on Turning Point USA.

And yes, he was the main man, but look, Turning Point is here today.

Charlie Kirk show is still going on and platform Trump's personality.

And I think that's what Charlie Kirk pushed.

And I think that's what a lot of young people respect him for.

Well said, Daniel.

Well said.

That was fantastic.

I would be remiss if I didn't bring up this free speech in the UK.

Just briefly, we just have a couple minutes here.

You know, Dr.

James Orr, you are an advisor to Nigel Farage.

We're seeing reform.

The polling is looking like...

I don't know if you even would have anticipated it looking this good.

If a snap election was held today, reform would be in power.

You would form a coalition government pretty easily.

And Nigel Farage would probably be the next prime minister of the UK.

What is the status of free speech right now in the United Kingdom?

And what do you hope to see maybe comes out of this row

at Oxford Union?

Well, you know, it's never been worse, is the true answer to that, Andrew.

And I talked to Charlie about it a great deal when I was out with you guys in August.

And actually, one of the first people I rang was Nigel Farage when I got the news just about an hour later.

I was at this dinner.

I left the dinner.

Actually, I think Nigel was the first person I spoke to outside that dinner.

And we, of course, Nigel have known him far longer than I had and was

so upset.

And

we were just,

you know, we were in a state of shock, but it has reconfirmed our commitment within Reform UK to making sure that we recover England's ancient status as a cradle of free speech, of freedom of religion, of free association, of free conscience, freedom of conscience, and to recover those ancient values that we exported thanks to the settlers and the Puritans so successfully

all around the world, but most of all, of course, in the New World and in the United States.

And I know, I just, you know, Charlie would have been thrilled at how well Nigel was doing, how well Reform UK was doing.

I was telling him already in August as we were pulling ahead in the polls and

just how well we were doing.

And I was getting his advice and just longing for him

to come over and to

give us some cut juice, as I think I said to him

in his last show.

I just had the honor of being his last guest.

And he was just so generous and said, you know, anything you want, any ideas I can give, I'd just love to do that.

And so, in many ways, you know, we're fighting hard here in Britain for freedom of speech.

It's our one of our four or five most important policy north stars and i've lost count of the number of times in reform hq that we've said to ourselves we're doing this for charlie wow that's beautiful thank you for that dr james or that actually gives me a lot of encouragement and um i i remember being around a lot of british kids french kids german kids that wanted to get selfies with charlie and they knew him from his videos online and they followed him and i think that his um it was almost providential that

I don't see I would say almost I'm gonna take that out it was providential that Charlie visited the UK when he did and that he left that his his imprint his imprint on that country because actually deep down Charlie liked to complain and kvetch about the UK and what it's become and all this stuff but he loved it and he respected it and he respected the heritage and the history.

So I'm so glad that happened.

I have to say goodbye to you gentlemen now.

I wish we could have more time.

I wish we could just go forever with this because I just really love talking with both of you.

And I know, Mikey, you share that sentiment.

But thank you, gentlemen, for making the time.

Great to be with you both.

Thank you for loving me.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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