Redistricting Wins Wars

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We're going to be talking all about redistricting in this first hour.

This is a big passion of Charlie's throughout this year, and it's going to be a very important topic for

all of 2026 and beyond. We have

something very special. We got a very special opportunity for our country last November, and that opportunity was a trifecta in government.

It was a House majority, a Senate majority, and the White House. That is, in these days, it's basically what you need to get anything done in Washington.
And we fought very hard for that.

And if you lose even one part of that, possibly the House, it greatly limits what a president is able to do, what is plausible for you to do.

And so we have to be looking ahead to the 2026 elections And

what's so useful about President Trump, what has made him such a formidable political figure, is he's very good at poking up against a lot of things that are just traditionally done in Washington and saying, wait, why are we doing that?

Why aren't we seizing a bigger advantage? We say this country is in a big state of crisis because it is. We've talked about the border.
We've talked about the foreign wars we're enmeshed in.

We've talked about the rapid decline of a lot of things in American life that need big resolutions. So, if the state of the nation is in a crisis, are you going to treat it like a crisis?

And President Trump has looked at that and said, okay, it's a crisis. We should try to get political wins.

And one of the most obvious is he looks at the house map and says, well, okay, they say we could draw house maps to win more seats for our party. It's legal to do that.
It's

not a violation of democracy in any way. Why aren't we doing that? And Trump is the one who finally had that light bulb moment.
Wait, we should do it.

And so throughout this year, we've seen campaigning in red states around the country, in Texas, in Florida, and we're going to be covering Indiana in just a moment here, where

we look at a map and say, well, okay, if we were to move these districts around, instead of having 60% of House seats, we could have 65, 70, 75% of the House seats in this state.

And we know Democrats already do this. They've done it in New York.
They did it just this last cycle. They've done it in Maryland.
They've done it in California.

They call it nonpartisan districting, yet they found a magical way to make it incredibly partisan how many Democrats are in California's seats.

And so President Trump looked at that and said, we should behave the same way because if we lose the House in 2026, we're going to get a new order in Washington where it's going to be endless subpoenas, endless investigations, probably endless impeachments.

You know, why not go for a third, a fourth, a fifth, a tenth impeachment of Donald Trump? Just impeach him every single week. Impeach him every single day.
They would love to do that.

It would be a distraction from the things we need to do for the country, and it would mean no more reduxes on the big, beautiful bill, no more, no more passing anything.

Let's say Trump wins over Republicans to getting rid of the filibuster. Well, if you don't have the House, you still can't pass legislation because Democrats can block it.

So we've been fighting to change House seats to get more Republican seats so that we have more of a potential margin in these upcoming midterms. We'll be having Ken Paxton on.

He had a big win, a very important win for the state of Texas. Texas lawmakers got their ducks in a row.

They passed a new map that looks like it should be able to deliver Republicans four or five extra seats in the House of Representatives.

Now that was very predictably blocked by a federal court judge who said, actually, you can't do that.

Democrats are allowed to do it, it, but you're not allowed to do it, basically. But the Supreme Court yesterday struck that back and said, nope, Texas's maps are good to go for this election.

And we're going to talk to Ken Paxton about how that happened and what we'll have moving forward.

But there's still unfinished business. And one of the biggest sources of unfinished business is in Indiana.
In Indiana, we've had... more difficulty, unfortunately.
There,

you're not going to get as big of a win, but you have a state that is very republican one of the most republican states in the country but they have a house map that has carved out safe seats for democrats it would be doable in the state of indiana to make a fully republican state and just so far they have chosen not to do this and so we're we're we're putting pressure on that on them to to change their minds charlie's point of view was always we should have state lawmakers and federal lawmakers who are as conservative as the voters that they represent.

And if you talk to rank-and-file Republicans in Indiana, conservatives in Indiana, Trump voters in Indiana, they want to have a House majority that can enact what President Trump ran on in 2024.

And if they can redo their house maps in order to do that,

they will support that. If they can do that, they want it to happen.

And so

I think we reasonably believe rank-and-file voters in Indiana want a new house map.

Yet, state Republicans have so far declined to do that. They've come up with excuses for why it can't happen, why they're failing to do it, why they're refusing to do it.

And so we have a story in Politico today that turning point action, we've always said we are going to put pressure on Republicans to reform themselves.

And so we are prepared to back primary challengers to Republicans who are not willing to follow the to assist the president by redoing our house maps. And let me get this up.

I know Andrew was just sending it to me.

Do we have Andrew, by the way? Yes, you do. I'm here.
We have him. Oh, we've had him.
Andrew, welcome. Welcome from Mar-a-Lago.

Andrew, I was just telling them about this politico story that we're taking action in Indiana. Yes, we are.
It's a huge deal. We have a big rally today.
So that's happening right now.

Turning point action is at the Capitol in Indiana. And Blake, this is one of these dynamics that is really, I think, going, you're going to see it shift.

Yeah, we still have to keep a focus on, you know, the swing states. That's what you got to do to win a national election.

But what I have observed, what Charlie knew, was that the fact that we had spent so much time in swing states, that sometimes these solid red, predictably red states

have not gotten enough attention, especially nationally.

And what happens when you see that dynamic play out is that the voting public, the grassroots, the base begins to sometimes get out of alignment with their elected people, right?

You have incumbent political machines. You have incumbent elected leaders that just sort of stay entrenched.

And so you get this Bush-era early 2000s conservatism in a MAGA world where Trump is the president and there's a misalignment.

And so when President Trump says, hey, let's get these maps so that we're more competitive in 2026, you see senators in the state of Indiana that are standing in the way.

And so this is a rally to say, listen, the base is on board. The grassroots is on board.
The president's on board.

Many, many organizations, C4s, PACs across the board are on board to get this done. We see the importance.

And we're going to, you mentioned, your audio was cutting in and out for me, but I heard you mention Texas. And we're going to have Ken Paxton on with a huge win on the Texas

redistricting maps. But we have to all be rowing in the same direction.

And so when you see senators, for whatever reason, whether it's because Trump used a naughty word and he didn't like it or whatever the reason is that they want to give.

We have 40 Republican senators in the Hoosier state. We only need 26.

So, you know, this is something we should be able to get done, Blake. And this is the message we're sending.

It said, hey, get on board, or we're going to use the levers at our disposal at turning point action. We're going to align with other groups that are like-minded

within the Trump ecosystem to primary you if you don't get on board. And that's politics.
It's not personal. This is just simply politics.
It's what Charlie would say.

We need Republicans as conservative as the people who elected them. Bingo.
Bingo, absolutely right. And that's what we're committed to.
And, you know, honestly,

our people

are ready for this. They're excited about a new challenge like this.
And so bring it on, Indiana. We hope you get on board.
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So, Blake

got it. The event is just getting started in Indiana, and it's amazing.
I guess, like, MSNBC, now called MS Now, is covering it, and they're very upset about it.

And so, I'm getting that clip in just a second. It's going to be great.
They're very, very upset that we could be pushing forward with a redistricting

plan in Indiana. But you got to check this energy out.
This energy is amazing.

390, Brett Galaszewski, our national enterprise director at Turning Point Action, is kicking things off. 390.

We cannot afford to give power back to Nakeem Jeffries, AOC, Alan Omar, and all the radical leftists that will stop our ability to make this country great.

Yeah, and so Blake, I mean, I'm told the energy in the room is like through the roof, and that on MS Now, you can barely hear the reporter over the roars of the rally in that state house.

That's great. You know, when we tell you the grassroots is fired up, they are fired up.
They want to get wins.

We see this so often. We saw this with a lot of our discussion this week over the heg Seth and the boat drama where you have some Republicans that say, oh,

we might need this investigation of this whole thing. We might have to spend weeks, maybe two years investigating this.

And then the response from the people who email us, Freedom at Charlie Kirk, is overwhelmingly, no,

I support them taking out drug boats. I support them being able to execute their agenda.
I definitely don't want Republicans getting in the way of something that, reminder, we ran on.

And I think it's the same thing with this. The rank and file would say we want our side to win and to get wins.
Why would we not do things that get us wins?

Well, you mentioned drug boats, Blake, and I just have to give a shout-out

to

our good Secretary of War, Pete Pete Hegseth.

He gave a little shout out yesterday. And so I saw a tweet from Chuck Schumer.
And

Chuck Schumer said, Pete Hegseth has to resign now. And I replied to Chuck Schumer.

I said, every new attack aimed at Pete Hegseth makes me want another narco drug boat blown up and sent to the bottom of the ocean.

And as if it was like Christmas morning, The Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, replied to yours truly and said, your wish is our command, Andrew, just sunk another narco boat. So, you know,

there you go. We have a very responsive administration.
The feedback loop is working. And you guys tell us that you are supportive of the immigration moratorium.

When you guys tell us that you are in support of President Trump blowing up these narco boats before they can deliver poison to our shores, when you guys tell us that you're actually pretty supportive of this forward-facing, more,

I would say, aggressive posture when it comes to the Western Hemisphere.

We communicate that back. The feedback loop is working.
It's alive and well. That was something Charlie was really good at, and that's something we want to be really good at.

So, please keep sending your emails. What do you want to see get accomplished? What do you want to see get done in this country? Freedom at charliekirk.com, freedom at charliekirk.com.

We're listening. Blake literally spends the entire show, and I spend large chunks of the show looking at that inbox.
So, that is a really important touch point for you guys.

So, what do you think about Indiana? Do you want to see Indiana senators get on board with this?

Are you skeptical in some way? I don't know. I would assume you're supportive.
And if you are supportive,

this is what I want you to do. If the team could put the URL up on the bottom.
So we have a URL, tpaction.com forward slash act Indiana. So again, that's tpaction.com forward slash act Indiana.

You can send emails. You can send notes.
You can send this to your friends in Indiana if you're listening in Indiana.

I know Citizen Free Press could probably blast this out if he's listening.

That we want as many people sounding the alarm, raising their voices, and saying that we, the grassroots, demand action. We demand counteroffensive against the Democrats' power grab.

If this was happening in a blue state, they would absolutely do it. Look what they did in California.
Look what the New England area is basically blue. There's conservatives up there.

It doesn't matter. There's no congressional representation if you're conservative.
We absolutely have to get this done. And here's the last thing I'll say.
And Blake, I'll give you the last minute.

Charlie was big on this, huge on the redistricting fight, which is why we had Ken Paxton booked this morning after his big win at the Supreme Court.

This was something he was absolutely committed to, and this was something he was messaging on in the final days before he was taken from us far too soon. Exactly.

Charlie was a fighter. Charlie was...

a guy who always wanted to be in the trenches. He would always want to ask, what can I do to help meaningfully to change things?

It's very easy to it's very easy to talk it's very easy to tweet it's very easy to have an opinion on issues Charlie would say what can we actually do to get wins on the board whether that was in legislation whether it's in elections whether it is laws we can change one of my favorite Charlie moments was when he went out to Nebraska to try to get them to change their electoral vote map another a thing that should still happen a thing we have not forgotten about.

We are going to keep nagging you, Nebraska, about this.

But Charlie would say, pick up your political wins at the state level. Make your red states red.

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So I am very, very excited about this conversation. This was a really big win.
It was what we were talking about in the first few segments.

We want to see wins on the board and Attorney General of the great state of Texas, Ken Paxton, joins us now. Welcome, sir.
We're grateful to have you. Well, thanks for having me.

It is a big win, and it's like an early Christmas present, not just to the state of Texas, but the entire country. Yeah, absolutely.

So this went all the way up to the Supreme Court. I mean, we don't have to get into the legal weeds here, but they granted an emergency stay, correct? So

this had been blocked

by a federal judge, and then so you took it from there, and that's how we got the big win last night. Yeah, so we were sued of our maps, which we always are.
They claimed it was based on race.

We said, no, it's political, just like all these other democratic states around the country that are gerrymandering based on political points of view.

And we had a three-judge panel rule against us 2-1, arguing that because there was some letter from DOJ that it was based on race, we said, no, our legislature had no intent.

It was all based on political considerations. And that's the truth.
And

when we lost at the

lower court level with the three-judge panel, we appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court directly.

And fortunately, we got a stay, which which means that the original court, the three-judge panel, had put a stay on our map and it threw our primary into chaos because our filing deadline ends December 8th.

It's been open since November 8th. So it would have been really crazy trying to figure out what happens next if the three-judge panel had gotten their way.
And fortunately, the U.S.

Supreme Court blocked it, saying a couple of things. One is they hadn't shown enough evidence of any race-based decisions.
And two,

they were, a federal court was now interfering with state elections at a very late very late in the game and so they blocked that that block and so now we can go forward at least for 2026 we can go forward with these maps and hopefully we'll resolve this over the next year and we'll be able to keep the maps for at least the next you know two elections that's great news huge news especially after the news out of california so it was basically a wash if you look at it that way i i have to have i just have to ask are there any remaining legal challenges the dems can mount uh to block this at least for 2026?

Well, the good thing is we went to the highest court and it was our request. There's nowhere for them to go on this appeal.

They can fight the maps in future elections, 2028 and 230, which I expect they will. But I feel pretty confident we're going to win in the long run.

It's just we have to go through the process of actually having the actual case on the merits. And that's just for the future to deal with.

But for now, these maps should be set for the 2026 elections because our primary is March 3rd and early voting starts February 17th.

So, if we had been thrown off and had to open filing back up and use the old maps, it would have been delayed for months and months and months. Wow.

So, maybe just help. So, there's this issue of precedent.
I know

this particular case was not about racial gerrymandering

that we've heard so much about.

Explain how significant this win is,

I think, politically, but also legally. And

is there an effort maybe in the future to set legal precedent that we can't have these racially gerrymandered maps?

Yeah, I mean, legally it's important because we were able to establish this as political.

I mean, we have Democratic and politically important because all these Democratic states have been doing this for years and years and years. I think the entire New England

state delegation is all Democrat. They've gerrymandered.
They've done it. They've gotten away with it.
It's been accepted. The Republican states have not done that.

We're finally stepping up to the plate and getting it done. Our legislature did a great job in putting these maps forward.
And

our entire state leadership team was behind it, including the governor. And so I think

if we're going to have a fair playing field, we in Republican states need to

be able to do exactly what the Democrats have done. And that's exactly what happened in Texas.
And hopefully, Indiana and Missouri and other states can follow.

If we don't, we're playing on a very unfavorable playing field where the Democrats gerrymander based on political considerations. And we just stay on the sidelines and let them win the House.

Yeah, I mean, I think I speak for all this audience. We're just super grateful for your dogged pursuit of this, Mr.
Attorney General. You have done a fantastic job pursuing this and being dogged.

But there is this memory I had as soon as I saw

this news report last night about these Texas Democrats who fled the state when this whole process was unfolding. Could you just remind us, you know, has any have any of them been held accountable?

How did that resolve itself? or is it not resolved

it's still unresolved we're still in it believe that just takes time but we we went after them first of all we went after bed o'rourke who was funding the whole thing through a for through a private charity and so we started investigating him we were able to get an injunction to stop him from paying because he was funding it all he was paying for their their their fines there was a daily fine he was paying for their hotel rooms he was paying for their meals and their transportation we got an injunction as soon as we got an injunction to stop him from paying out of this charity then they came came back.

So it was, I think, important to stop the funding. Now we're dealing with the consequences of whether these legislators are going to be punished under state law for abdicating their responsibility.

We're trying to get some of them removed for leaving the state when they were supposed to be in the state voting. That's still up to the courts.
We're going to continue to pursue that until it's over.

Good. I'm glad to hear that because I think we need to ensure accountability when people are being lawless in all cases.
So

switching over to politics a little bit, and by the way, your website, you're running for Senate in the state of Texas, kenpaxton.com, I believe I got that right. Pretty easy one.

Kenpaxton.com. And, you know, so there's political questions.
And

this is not necessarily relevant for your statewide race, but is there any concern in the state of Texas that these new maps are going to be, I guess, maybe too tightly drawn, that if we see a pullback of Hispanic support in future races, that we might be actually jeopardizing some of these gains.

Yeah, you never know. I mean, the future is always unknown, right? So we don't know with certainty how elections are going to turn out.
We certainly have to continue

to send our message to not just Hispanics, but all voters, that

the type of Republican politics of low taxes,

border control, protecting the border, giving opportunity for everyone to do well in Texas by by creating opportunity instead of taxation and regulation, and allowing small business owners to create jobs.

That message will continue to resonate with our voters. It has in the past.
People have fleed other Democratic states, including California, New York, Illinois.

Name the Democratic state that people aren't leaving to come to Republican states. So people are voting with their feet.
I envision that helping Republican states. We're going to grow

both wealth and with population. And in the end, I think it's going to benefit our voting base and we're going to become stronger, not weaker.

Yeah, I actually, you know, something Charlie talked a lot about was how this

move to the Sunbelt is changing the electoral math of the United States.

And Blake knows this well because he was the one that did the research when we went into winner-take-all Nebraska because we were seeing the math.

This is only going to continue on as new censuses are done.

And frankly, this is unrelated, but Blake would probably agree. We should redo the census.
The 2020 census was botched. I think states like Texas would pick up additional seats.
What's your message,

sir, to the states like Indiana right now? We have a rally going on, turning point action at the state house rotunda, pushing those senators to pursue this redistricting fight.

What's your message to them? You've just had a huge legal win that's going to benefit the entire country. What's your message to these states considering doing the same? I say get in the water.

It's warm.

We just forged the trail for everyone else. So we know what the results will be if they do it the right way and they do it on political considerations.
They're going to win.

And they won't even have the controversy that we had. It's already been settled by the U.S.
Supreme Court. So I would encourage them to go forward.

We need to make this a fair process as fair as we can, given that the Democratic states have already gone down this path and California is trying to add to that.

So we might as well play the same game. If we don't play the same game they're playing, we are going to lose.
And so it's a simple choice. Do you want to win or lose?

We can win just by doing our job of redrawing some of these maps so that we have a chance to have fairness in this country. Yeah, I mean, that's so right.
So well said. So well said.

We either win or we lose. It really is

on this sort of thing, it's that simple, especially because California has already acted.

That's what really grates on me about so much of this debate is

some people are mad that we...

that President Trump chose to fight this battle, but the left embraced fighting that battle. They have redrawn their lines in California with their rushed ballot measure there.

So at this point, you have just decided, if you were sitting out this fight, you have just decided, nope, I want to sit out. I want to let us lose.
I want to let us get run over.

And that's, frankly, not just politically stupid.

I would say it's morally indefensible. Yeah.

I agree. And listen, you've got a big race ahead of you.
Give us the state of your Senate race. How are things looking? And how can people support you?

Look, I i get in april the 8th uh we've been up in the polls ever since i got in we're running we're running against an incumbent who's been in office since i was in college and i'm about to turn 63 and when i go around the state and ask what has he accomplished uh no one has an answer not one single accomplishment that's good we certainly have him fighting donald trump on the border wall constantly voting for amnesty uh vote spending his time not supporting President Trump running for reelection or in 2016.

And then, of course, siding with Joe Biden on Second Amendment restrictions. So this is not a Republican that should be re-elected in Texas.
And so we just need help financially.

Kenpaxton.com, they have huge fundraising advantages. We're out raising them in Texas, but the Washington money isn't limited like it is for challengers.

We're limited to $7,000 per person, $14,000 a couple. They have special committees that can allow them to leverage literally hundreds of thousands of dollars more.

So we need all the help we can get from grassroots supporters. Well, congratulations, Mr.
Attorney General, on the huge Supreme Court win.

This will ripple across the nation, and it couldn't have come at a better time. We've got this rally in Indiana.
We hope that they will find their courage. And as you said, we hope they jump in.

The water is warm. Thank you so much for making the time.
Hey, have a great Christmas season, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you.
Thank you, sir.

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Blake, I have to, I know there's like weird reports swirling about this guy, but I just have to play these two clips because they're just too good. This is Jake Tapper calling the

suspected pipe bomber a white man. 374.

Ryan Cole Jr., a 30-year-old white man from the DC suburbs, is charged with transporting an explosive device in interstate commerce and with malicious destruction.

Well, you see, it's like whiteness. You become white by becoming a pipe bomber, basically.
I think that's CNN. Was it because he had glasses on? Yeah.
This is ridiculous.

Definitionally,

if he's doing bombings at CNN, he's got to be a white guy. Even if he's black,

he's been infected with some form of whiteness is probably what Jake Tapper meant because he's a criminal because CNN,

there's no other option here.

I think it's because he's in a... I don't want to say, I'm going to get myself in trouble.

I just, it's humorous to me how badly these people want to want this man to be white. He just, like, if Freud didn't slip, he couldn't help it.
Blake,

this is one of the most rich videos clips that you ever see in the history of media. 387.

But I got to tell you, it kind of makes me looking at this crowd doing a victory lap when all the senior FBI officials across all key divisions have been fired for political purposes.

When in some field offices, up to 45%

of the FBI officers who are doing things like counter-espionage and cyber have been assigned to do immigration cases.

It's a little rich that they're saying they're American safer. How much earlier could we have caught this guy if resources hadn't been diverted?

It's a little rich, Blake, that they could have caught him right away if they hadn't done anything at the FBI. We would have caught him last February if they hadn't shaken up the FBI upon taking over.

Huge lack of awareness. They had literally a full four-year term to find him and they got nowhere with it.

And then even in the New York Times reporting, it says the way they were actually able to get it is they

shook up the case. They re-looked at old leads.
They actually kind of did a whole new push on the case to try to solve it. And they were able to do so.
Imagine that.

Yeah, well, and so that's the key here. So we,

and maybe you, you, I'll throw it to you, Blake. What do we know about this guy?

You know, it turns out he's a black guy. Yesterday we were hearing reports that he was connected to anarchist movements.
There was some reporting, maybe Antifa. What do we know today?

So we don't know too much yet. What is being reported is that he has told authorities or it's being reported that he's told authorities that he was upset about the 2020 elections.

So he may have believed there was sort of a

conspiracy to take it away from President Trump. Now,

if he was leaving pipe bombs at the RNC, he clearly is not blaming only Democrats for this. He may have had a very broad vision of who was to blame for his grievance.

But also, if this is just him telling it to authorities now, who knows? It could be, you might already have the case where he would want this to be his statement because he wants to link the case to

what else happened in D.C. that day.
Because what has already been brought up is President Trump's JSIC's pardon was quite broad.

It basically just said he is issuing a full pardon for everyone linked to the events around the Capitol on January 6th. So it's inevitable his defense is going to say he's covered by that pardon.

This case needs to be dropped immediately. And so it would be useful for him to construct a motive that links to that.
We also have some funny information.

Just real quick, real quick, I just want to make a note on that image that's up on your screen right now. That's actually his father.

I think this is a Daily Wire article. They've updated it since with a new image of him.
So I just want to be

editorially clear. That was the original image, but they've updated it.
The image there is actually his father. Yeah, the other image is the one you saw during the Tapper clip earlier.
But

what's also very funny is just because we have a very small world. So this is reported by the Daily Wire that this alleged bomber's family had sued the Trump.

Department of Homeland Security over illegal immigration-related things. They basically asked the Biden DOJ to arrest, to address alleged racism against them.

And the best part is to do this, as you saw in that photo of his father, the other man there was attorney Benjamin Crump, who's practically this forest gump of every

racial grievance story in America over the past decade. He was Trayvon Martin's family attorney.
He was involved in a lot of BLM stuff. He showed up in the George Floyd extravaganza.

He's just been this guy who appears in every one of these cases. And so naturally, he was already involved with the family of the alleged pipe bomber.

It's just, it's very it's just, it just shows, you know, Ben Crump calling on the DOJ to open an investigation into the actions of John Zimmerman.

I mean, this, this is, you know, Ben Crump is a piece of work.

They ran a bail bonds company helping, you know, people that were detained by ICE,

this suspect and his father. Pretty wild twist to that story.

I, Blake, if you would have given me a thousand bucks to bet on which direction that was going to go or to make up what the suspect would look like, sound like, be involved with.

This would not have been on my bingo card. That is a complete surprise.

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