Debra Owens (7 of Diamonds, Florida)

Speaker 1 Struggling to see up close? Make it visible with Viz. Viz is a once-daily prescription eye drop to treat blurry near vision for up to 10 hours.

Speaker 1 The most common side effects that may be experienced while using Viz include eye irritation, temporary dim or dark vision, headaches, and eye redness.

Speaker 1 Talk to an eye doctor to learn if Viz is right for you. Learn more at Viz.com.

Speaker 2 Planning a trip this year? Travel smarter and connect deeper by learning the local language with Rosetta Stone.

Speaker 2 With over 30 years of experience, Rosetta Stone's immersive intuitive method helps you live the language, not just memorize it.

Speaker 2 Choose from over 25 languages, including Spanish, French, Japanese, and more. Their true accent speech recognition technology gives real-time feedback to help perfect your pronunciation.

Speaker 2 No translations, just natural learning that builds from words to phrases to full conversations. Whether you have five minutes or an hour, you can learn anytime on desktop or mobile.

Speaker 2 Get a lifetime membership and unlock all 25 languages. Learn as much as you want, whenever you want.
Rosetta Stone. Learn confidently, connect authentically.
Don't wait.

Speaker 2 Unlock your language learning potential now. Listeners can grab Rosetta Stone's lifetime membership for 50% off.
That's unlimited access to 25 language courses for life.

Speaker 2 Visit RosettaStone.com slash pod50 to get started and claim your 50% off today. Don't miss out.
Go to Rosetta Stone.com slash pod50 and start learning today.

Speaker 3 Cashflow Crunch, ONDEC Small Business Line of Credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it.

Speaker 3 Cover seasonal seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat with flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment.

Speaker 3 Get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondak.com.
Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow.

Speaker 3 Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by ONDAC or Celtic Bank. ONDAC does not lend in North Dakota.
All loans and amount subject to lender approval.

Speaker 4 Our second card this week is Deborah Owens, the seven of Diamonds from Florida. Deborah was a woman who deserved better than what she got in the last year of her life.

Speaker 4 Every day she woke up, she was a survivor of something or someone.

Speaker 4 Over 20 years after she was brutally murdered, no one has been held accountable, even though investigators have long felt they know who killed Deborah. But proving it has remained elusive.

Speaker 4 And that's the thing about justice. Sometimes the harder you look, the more elusive it can feel.
Until one day, it's standing right in front of you.

Speaker 4 I'm Ashley Flowers, and this is the deck.

Speaker 4 On September 28th, 2002, at around 6:30 p.m., there was a couple taking a casual stroll with their dog through a forested state park in west central Florida.

Speaker 4 It was a nice day, nothing remarkable to speak of. That is, until their dog got into something right off the path.
Now, Chuck's done this plenty of times on our walks.

Speaker 4 Even though I keep him leashed on trails out of nowhere, he'll leap into the bushes just off to the side, and every once in a while, he'll come out with a small critter.

Speaker 4 But this story, this is in Indiana. Where they're at in Florida, we're not talking little fuzzy rodents.
You're more likely to find a snake out there.

Speaker 5 Citrus County here is fairly rural, especially in 2002, and they were walking their dog in the way of Coochie State Forest, which covers quite a bit of part of the county.

Speaker 4 That's Sergeant Chris Holloway of the Citrus County Sheriff's Office. He told us that the couple got got closer to where their dog was sniffing and it was no snake that their dog had found.

Speaker 5 They see what they thought was shoes and then they look further and wind up being human remains.

Speaker 5 They knew a trooper lived nearby because they lived in that area, went to his residence and he wound up calling the sheriff's office and we respond at that point.

Speaker 4 The woman was fully clothed and wearing a lot of jewelry. It must have been obvious to the couple that she'd been killed because they alerted authorities right away.

Speaker 4 Now, as far as what deputies saw when they got there or what they collected once they roped off the scene, I can't tell you. The agency today is being super tight-lipped about what they found.

Speaker 4 Police didn't even want to say whether or not the person found was clothed or not, but we know that she was because that information is right there in the Citrus County cold case deck.

Speaker 4 Sergeant Holloway also didn't want to say if there were any signs of sexual assault.

Speaker 4 And we tried asking him whether he thought the crime was committed there where the body was found or if the body was placed there after the fact. But even that was a question he didn't want to answer.

Speaker 4 But we didn't want the lack of all of this information to stop us from covering this case. Sometimes that's just how it is.

Speaker 4 Sergeant Holloway treats information about this case as very precious, the same way they treated the crime scene all those years ago.

Speaker 5 Typical for pretty much any agency, especially ours, we're really particular on our crime scene.

Speaker 5 So it had been taped off, being very careful what path they go in because you don't go in the same path to try to eliminate any kind of traffic in that area.

Speaker 5 So you don't want to transfer any evidence, bring any evidence in, or take any evidence out inadvertently. So, we're very careful with that.
Thus, crime scenes taped off.

Speaker 5 Photographs began at the time. That's just an unidentified body.
Do you know what it was male or female when they first arrive?

Speaker 4 It wasn't until the next day, which would have been the 29th, that it was determined the body was that of 41-year-old Deborah Owens, and her cause of death was multiple gunshot wounds.

Speaker 4 Deborah was somewhat familiar to police at the time already because of some prior arrests related to drug possession.

Speaker 4 But they were even more familiar with her husband, 64-year-old Gerald Owens, who by 2002 had been arrested 24 times, arrested for things like battery and possession of drugs.

Speaker 4 But arrests aside, he would have been one of the first people police looked into regardless.

Speaker 5 Well, you always check with people who were closest to her. So you start working your way backwards from there.
You got her husband at the time.

Speaker 5 They were not on the best of terms as a relationship-wise.

Speaker 4 Investigators discovered that on the morning of September 25th, just three days before Deborah was found murdered, she had gone to the Citrus County courthouse to file a complaint against her husband.

Speaker 4 According to an article in the Tampa Bay Times by Carrie Johnson, this is what she wrote in that complaint. Quote, I asked him for a divorce and he told me never.
He'd kill me first.

Speaker 4 And then he'd know where I was at and no one else would be with me. End quote.

Speaker 4 Deborah was reportedly living at a domestic violence shelter when she was killed. And she already had a protective order against Gerald from July after he physically assaulted her.

Speaker 4 The order required Gerald to stay away from both Deborah and her 14-year-old daughter, who some news articles claim was also Gerald's biological daughter, but this hasn't been confirmed by Sergeant Holloway.

Speaker 4 According to that same Tampa Bay Times article, before that, Deborah had a restraining order against him stemming from an incident in April where he punched her in the eye and again threatened her life.

Speaker 4 She eventually had the court drop that order when she tried to reconcile with him. But that's a lot of ups and downs and down again for a marriage that was only a year old.

Speaker 5 That's why he was a prime suspect at the time. He's the husband.
They're strange. They're having their issues.
He's obviously going to be an obvious suspect. It's right in front of you.

Speaker 4 Well, figuratively speaking, they had to actually go track him down to ask him questions about his deceased wife, whom he hadn't so much as reported missing, by the way.

Speaker 4 When they found him, though, he wasn't interested in helping them solve his wife's murder.

Speaker 5 Let's say he wasn't cooperative.

Speaker 4 They might not have been able to get a statement from Gerald, but between his connection to her and his violent history toward her, it seemed like there was enough probable cause to get a search warrant for his house, which happened on October 4th.

Speaker 4 I'd love to know if they found any guns or if Gerald was known to own or use firearms, but it doesn't appear that they found anything incriminating that could lead to an arrest for murder, because that didn't happen.

Speaker 4 But he was sentenced for something else. Police arrested Gerald for violating the restraining order in place when he approached Deborah's daughter in a bowling alley.

Speaker 4 It's a little unclear when exactly he violated that order, but the violation charge was considered a misdemeanor, so Gerald ended up quickly being able to post bail and go home.

Speaker 4 Investigators were pretty sure that answers as to what happened to Deborah lay with Gerald, but that didn't mean they weren't open to exploring other possibilities when they were at a standstill with him.

Speaker 5 We always make sure we also get tunnel vision because even if she's going through something family-wise, you don't want to focus on one person because you don't know what happened that night.

Speaker 5 It could have been just a random, she met some guy or met some woman. and just randomly something nefarious happened or it's been an ongoing issue that's been building up.

Speaker 5 So you'll never want to focus just on one person. You always want to keep your eyes, I guess, wide open, especially if your evidence is not exactly only pointing at one person.

Speaker 5 Anybody and everybody had any deal with her, anybody in the area can be a suspect.

Speaker 4 It sounds like Deborah grew up in Citrus County. So she knew a lot of people in the area, a lifetime of connections, and any of those people could be potential suspects in this case.

Speaker 4 So investigators did their best to track down and speak with all of them.

Speaker 5 She knew a lot of people. so anybody that had contact with her is a suspect.
Some of the evidence we had wasn't enough to get exactly just on one person. So that's some of our challenges.

Speaker 5 I'm sure somebody out there knows exactly what happened, but you also get a lot of third-party information that we hear that we have to chase down.

Speaker 5 So we're spending just as much time on that as we do as first-person knowledge. And you had a lot of allegations that just weren't true as well.

Speaker 5 So you get tips that come in that said, She supposedly was hanging out with this guy or she was hanging out with this female and she was at the bar with this person.

Speaker 5 And then most of that stuff, stuff you spend a lot of time chasing it down and chase it down they did

Speaker 5 day by day they're doing investigations doing interviews driving all over the place going from one end of the county to the next county over to several other counties meeting with specialists cell phones back then were just coming along where we could get data out of them so they were working with specialists at that point trying to get more data out of it any guy's cell phones we still had landlines were very common back then so we're checking landlines of the bars they frequently do so they worked very hard and diligently the entire investigation until they had to make it a cold case.

Speaker 4 Names of those spoken to or who might have popped up as an alternate person of interest along the way are part of all of the things that the department is not releasing.

Speaker 4 But everything indicates that when all was said and done, Gerald was the only one whose name made it onto the suspect list, but then never fell off.

Speaker 4 Months went by, and though their suspicions grew, they never had enough to arrest Gerald. But that didn't exactly mean that he was staying out of trouble.

Speaker 4 On December 10th of 2002, according to reporting by the Tampa Bay Times, Gerald Owens was arrested for driving under the influence and he was accused by police of hitting three cars in a Walmart parking lot with his Lincoln.

Speaker 4 Because of that, Gerald stayed behind bars for 10 days before making bail. Now, I don't know if police took advantage of him being back in custody to question him more about Deborah's murder.

Speaker 4 Surprise, they won't say. But I know Deborah's mom, Sue Whitman, took advantage of it and she went and confronted him.

Speaker 4 According to that same Tampa Bay Times article, Sue showed up at one of Gerald's court hearings with a collage of photos of Deborah with black eyes and bruises on her face.

Speaker 4 Sue told the judge, quote, she was used as a punching back, end quote. Sue is a great reminder that you don't ever underestimate a mother trying to get justice for her child.

Speaker 4 Sue told the Times back then that she had not heard any updates from police and that she was hoping that they would find a way to keep Gerald behind bars. But that didn't happen.

Speaker 4 He was released on December 20th, and Sue was left preparing for the holidays with a broken heart, not just for her daughter, but for her son as well.

Speaker 4 Deborah's brother Scott died by suicide just six months before Deborah had been murdered. In that same Tampa Bay Times article from Christmas Day 2002, Sue said, quote, it's going to be just terrible.

Speaker 4 I'm afraid that no matter matter what I do, it's going to be miserable, end quote.

Speaker 4 That same story detailed how police were focused on Deborah's husband, Gerald, as their number one suspect, but it didn't provide any updates. And I guess that's because there weren't any.

Speaker 4 The case stalled, and it didn't just stay cold for a year or two years. It stayed cold for 13 years until 2015, when seemingly out of the blue, investigators got an interesting tip.

Speaker 6 Aura Frames keeps your family connected even when you're miles apart, making it the perfect gift to give.

Speaker 6 With Aura Frames, you can share photos and videos effortlessly straight from your phone all year long. Plus, get unlimited free photos and videos with the Aura app, just connect to Wi-Fi.

Speaker 6 You can't wrap togetherness, but you can frame it. Since moving away from home, I've learned that my mom's favorite way to stay connected with me is through photos.

Speaker 6 And with my Aura Frame, she has a whole new way of showing me that she's thinking about me.

Speaker 6 I love that when I'm going about my day, I can look up and catch the news picture of my little sister or our family dog or the home-cooked meals that I miss enjoying with my family.

Speaker 6 And not only do I love the photos in my aura frame, but the frame itself looks so good styled among the rest of my photo collection.

Speaker 6 For a limited time, visit auraframes.com and get $45 off Aura's best-selling Carver Matte Frames, named number one by Wirecutter, by using promo code DEC at checkout.

Speaker 6 That's A-U-R-A frames.com promo code DECK. This exclusive Black Friday Cyber Monday deal is their best of the year, so order now before it ends.
And support the show by mentioning us at checkout.

Speaker 6 Terms and conditions apply.

Speaker 6 As the air turns crisp and the holidays draw near, comfort becomes the best gift of all.

Speaker 6 Quince delivers layers that last, sweaters, outerwear, and everyday essentials that feel luxurious, look timeless, and make holiday dressing and gifting effortless.

Speaker 6 By working directly with ethical top-tier factories, Quince skips the middleman and offers prices 50% less than similar brands.

Speaker 6 By far the most versatile piece in my closet right now is my mockneck top from Quince.

Speaker 6 It has kept me cool during those last few warm days of the year and will be staying in my regular outfit rotation as the winter weather rolls in.

Speaker 6 And Quince doesn't stop at staple pieces for your closet, their collection of home goods is a must-shop for the holiday season.

Speaker 6 From stocking stuffers to luxe goods your loved ones will cherish for years, Quince has the perfect gift for anyone on your list.

Speaker 6 So step into the holiday season with layers made to feel good, look polished, and last from Quince. Perfect for gifting or keeping for yourself.

Speaker 6 Go to quince.com slash deck for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too.
That's quince.com slash deck to get free shipping and 365 day returns.

Speaker 6 Quince.com slash deck.

Speaker 4 Now, who this tipster was, we don't know. Again, Sergeant Holloway is not showing his cards.
But the tips sparked their interest in the case again.

Speaker 4 So Sergeant Holloway, who was working in the major crimes unit at the time, decided to start back at the beginning, to go back to where all this began and talk to the one person who could hold the key to this entire mystery and who was still suspect number one, Gerald Owens.

Speaker 4 Now, remember, the first time around, this guy was not interested in helping. But 13 years had gone by and the dude was now in his late 70s.

Speaker 4 And Sergeant Holloway hoped that maybe a new face, not the same one who'd hounded him before, would make Gerald a little more at ease. So he went in with a softer approach.

Speaker 5 I was very open about it. I was like, I don't know anything about the case.
I'm just getting into it. And I see you weren't interviewed that well or didn't have any kind of interview done.

Speaker 5 She was like, they had nothing to hide. I just didn't.
Back then, I was going through a lot with her. And they were already just thinking it was me because of our relationship.

Speaker 5 So he says they were just pinning everybody on me.

Speaker 5 I wasn't going to say anything because no matter what I said, it was going to be turned around to make it look like I did something he's alleging he didn't do.

Speaker 4 But he didn't just say, nope, not me, and close the door in Sergeant Holloway's face. He really opened up.

Speaker 5 He thought maybe it was a chance he could give some of the stuff that he wanted to say before without them trying to turn it back on him.

Speaker 5 He knew the lifestyle he lived wasn't the best, wasn't an upstanding citizen. He said he worked hard.
And they partied hard. That was pretty much what he said.

Speaker 5 He said, they would work all day long out in the sun. They'd mow.
they'd do fencing, they would do whatever kind of job they could get in that type of work.

Speaker 5 And he said, I mean, that night, they had their choice what they used for party favors. And so that's pretty much what they spent their money on.
It was consistent with what we had back then.

Speaker 5 Of course, he denied doing anything wrong. But at the same time, he made some admissions, other stuff he did from their past.

Speaker 4 The other stuff Sergeant Holloway is referring to is the domestic abuse he inflicted on Deborah.

Speaker 4 So after an hour, Sergeant Holloway left left without a confession or anything incriminating, but feeling like Gerald had been pretty open and honest.

Speaker 4 Although he appeared to be a little vague on one critical detail, where he was around the time Deborah was murdered. Here's Sergeant Holloway explaining what Gerald told him.

Speaker 5 So he gave an alibi, stayed with a friend, he was doing yard work.

Speaker 4 Gerald had a landscaping business.

Speaker 4 It's unclear if he was implying that he was working the whole time or something else, but there was a several day window after Deborah filed that complaint at the courthouse that she was most likely murdered.

Speaker 4 So this guy couldn't have been doing yard work the entire time, day and night. But that's all Sergeant Holloway was able to get from him.

Speaker 4 And that just left the investigative team exactly where they were before, with nothing.

Speaker 4 Over the years, the team would send what evidence they had off for testing with the hope that the technology would continue to improve and give them a break in their case.

Speaker 5 We sent, I believe, some stuff off in 2017. We reevaluated almost everything.
Because after so many years, we're allowed to resend stuff off.

Speaker 4 That's the last time anything was tested, with nothing moving the needle, leaving this case cold to this very day.

Speaker 4 And while Sergeant Holloway hopes further testing and technological advances could still crack this case, He knows that there are people out there who might be the real key, and now might be the perfect time for them to come forward.

Speaker 4 Because Gerald Owens is no longer alive. And while in some regards, having your number one suspect die might make solving this case more complicated, in other regards, it makes it easier.

Speaker 5 It would be nice if some of the people that may have known who the suspect is, whether it had been Gerald or another suspect that it may have passed away, that if they knew for sure they did it, come forward.

Speaker 5 You're not changing anything.

Speaker 5 They passed away. You're not really writing them out anymore.

Speaker 4 Deborah Owens still has has a daughter out there who has no idea who murdered her mom.

Speaker 4 And the good news for her is that it doesn't sound like Sergeant Holloway has any plans to give up on this case or any others in his department that he might still be investigating.

Speaker 4 And he recognizes the importance of telling each of their stories to the world.

Speaker 5 We're always trying to work on the cases. We want them solved.
We don't want them unsolved. We would like to get closure for the family.

Speaker 5 That's our NDL goal is to get closure and get a suspect in jail.

Speaker 5 And if the suspect passed away, at least get that part of the closure saying we know who did it and we can close that case at that point as well.

Speaker 5 We don't get any kind of bonuses for closing case other than personal bonus. We get the enjoyment of saying, hey, we closed this case.

Speaker 5 And sometimes it just takes one little thing that we didn't have that we were missing the entire time, which something like these podcasts do help with that.

Speaker 4 I mentioned earlier that at the time Deborah Owens was murdered, she was staying in a domestic violence shelter. And that should tell you everything you need to know.
This woman had been through hell.

Speaker 4 Whether Gerald murdered her or not remains to be seen. He was never charged.
But the only way we'll ever know is if someone out there steps up and helps solve this case.

Speaker 4 The Citrus County Sheriff's Office is looking for anyone who met with Deborah Owens between September 25th and September 28th, 2002, in Citrus County, Florida.

Speaker 4 Or if you're anyone who knows anything about her murder, please contact the Citrus County Sheriff's Office Major Crimes Unit at 352-249-2790.

Speaker 4 Or you can anonymously report information through Crime Stoppers of Citrus County at 888-269-8477.

Speaker 4 And if you or someone you know is a victim of domestic violence, know that help is out there. You can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 800-799-7233 or text START to 88-788.

Speaker 4 The deck is an audio chuck production with theme music by Ryan Lewis. To learn more about the deck and our advocacy work, visit thedeckpodcast.com.

Speaker 4 So, what do you think, Chuck?

Speaker 7 Do you approve?

Speaker 7 Did you know 39% of teen drivers admit to texting while driving? Even scarier, those who text are more likely to speed and run red lights. Shockingly, 94% know it's dangerous, but do it anyway.

Speaker 7 As a parent, you can't always be in the car, but you can stay connected to their safety with Greenlight Infinity's driving reports.

Speaker 7 Monitor their driving habits, see if they're using their phone, speeding, and more. These reports provide real data for meaningful conversations about safety.

Speaker 7 Plus, with weekly updates, you can track their progress over time. Help keep your teens safe.
Sign up for Greenlight Infinity at greenlight.com/slash podcast.

Speaker 4 This is one of the most sensational crimes ever to explode in Hollywood.

Speaker 8 In 1989, Beverly Hills police found Jose and Kitty Menendez gunned down in their mansion. And the killers, their two sons.

Speaker 6 Why did you kill your parents?

Speaker 1 Because we were afraid.

Speaker 8 But were Lyle and Eric cold-blooded murderers or victims no one believed? I'm Celicia Stanton, and my new series on the Menendez brothers is out now.

Speaker 8 Listen to Truer Crime wherever you get your podcasts.