S2 E6: Magnets: How Do They Work?

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Speaker 35 I'm Hannah Berner, and I'm also thinking about underwear, but I prefer full coverage.

Speaker 36 I like to call them my granny panties.

Speaker 34 Actually, I never think about underwear. That's the magic of Tommy John.

Speaker 37 Same, they're so light and so comfy, and if it's not comfortable, I'm not wearing it.

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Speaker 37 Yes, Lord knows the girls need to breathe.

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Speaker 54 Okay, so I'm going to make one of these protein shakes.

Speaker 54 Okay.

Speaker 5 That's gross.

Speaker 56 It's early October and I'm headed out to the first of many wellness treatments I've booked around LA.

Speaker 60 Sure, I've tried yoga and meditation and CBD and all the sort of normal or at least not outright criminal sounding wellness stuff.

Speaker 61 But I wanted to try the wilder ones.

Speaker 64 The ones that Gwyneth Paltrow and her friends know about but that I've never heard of.

Speaker 65 And in order to do that, we have to go to the cartoonishly wealthy part of LA.

Speaker 61 The part where enough people have enough expendable income to have really great health insurance and a house call service where they drip vitamins into your arm via IV while you sit on your beautiful couch in your formal living room filming your reality television show with your daughters.

Speaker 57 That's the stuff I want to see.

Speaker 68 Though not that one in particular, because gross.

Speaker 69 So off we go on what we're calling my tour of hellness.

Speaker 17 Dan's here.

Speaker 53 Hi.

Speaker 63 Dan picks me up a little past 9 a.m., which is rush hour, yes, but every hour is rush hour when you're heading from the east side of LA to the uber wealthy west side, like we are.

Speaker 3 The upshot to sitting in traffic traffic like this is that I'm going to have a lot of time to explain to Dan what little I know about what's about to happen.

Speaker 74 Thank you for driving me, first of all.

Speaker 5 No problem.

Speaker 75 But yeah, okay, so

Speaker 75 why am I driving you to Brentwood? What's happening here?

Speaker 51 Well, I actually, I do want you to drive because I don't know what's about to happen and I'm not sure if I'll be able to drive after.

Speaker 75 What treatment is this, though?

Speaker 5 Hang on.

Speaker 52 All right, here's here's what happened.

Speaker 3 I

Speaker 74 started following a lot of wellness people and looking at wellness products and hashtags on Instagram and on my phone in general.

Speaker 74 And since Instagram knows everything you're doing, stuff started popping up in my feed.

Speaker 79 And the service showed up called Reggie.

Speaker 63 See, here it is. How beautiful is that?

Speaker 58 Discover aesthetic and curated beauty treatments.

Speaker 3 And so you put in your location, which is Los Angeles,

Speaker 68 and then you can scroll between like injectables,

Speaker 76 massages, body contouring, nails, and wellness.

Speaker 51 So I went to wellness, I searched, and it lets you like instantly book a bunch of weird wellness things.

Speaker 3 And that's how I'm getting all my stuff done.

Speaker 74 So let me scroll down to the one that we're doing today.

Speaker 66 We're headed to a place called Sauna Bar.

Speaker 69 And on the booking site, there's a very cubrician photo of something glowing.

Speaker 75 Is that the pod you're going to be in?

Speaker 71 I have no idea.

Speaker 5 I know what I'm just seeing.

Speaker 75 It looks like a butterfly. There's two red pods opened up like you would lay in them.

Speaker 3 Oh, you're looking at the whole thing.

Speaker 51 See, I see two clamshells.

Speaker 3 It's a wellness Rorschach test.

Speaker 77 Here's what I'm going to do today.

Speaker 68 It's called the Magnosphere.

Speaker 77 Magnetic resonance technology to enhance relaxation while relieving stiffness, pain, and stress.

Speaker 69 I banged my

Speaker 74 calf this morning when I was putting my shoes on.

Speaker 77 I sat down on my couch

Speaker 74 on the corner of my couch. I hit my calf.
That's how I'm going to judge if the Magnosphere works.

Speaker 74 Because I can feel the soreness in my calf like I'm going to get a Charlie horse.

Speaker 62 If I walk out of the Magnosphere or roll out, I don't even know if you go in it. I don't know what if I hold, maybe it's the thing you hold.

Speaker 75 So is there something like, are we magnetic?

Speaker 77 That's what I was going to ask the person when I get in there.

Speaker 51 I'm assuming so because we stick to the earth.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 But that's also just gravity.

Speaker 81 Sanabar is in a multi-level mall with an open-air atrium in the middle. There are a few sushi restaurants, a blow-dry bar, some offices.

Speaker 71 The inside of of this place is very white.

Speaker 54 White desks and walls and white furniture.

Speaker 69 White is often the interior color of choice among very rich people.

Speaker 71 Go figure.

Speaker 66 Kim, a self-described wellness coach, is helping me out today and hands me a clipboard.

Speaker 69 I sit down to fill out my paperwork and there, right in front of me on a shelf, is a display of essential oils for sale.

Speaker 82 doTERRA essential oils, the MLM.

Speaker 67 When I'm finished, she walks me past those clamshell-looking things Dan and I were puzzled by.

Speaker 57 And I guess that's not where I'm headed.

Speaker 61 Instead, I'm in a tiny room along with...

Speaker 53 This looks cool. I didn't expect...

Speaker 57 So it's like a...

Speaker 53 It looks like a

Speaker 53 captain's chair.

Speaker 83 Spaceship? Yeah. Starship Enterprise captain's chair sort of view.

Speaker 64 With, yeah, like, it looks like being inside of a giant wheel well.

Speaker 83 What you're going to lift up, kind of like a captain's chair, and you're going to be leaning back. Now it goes all the way back.
It's not going to tip over.

Speaker 83 But it does feel like you're going to tip all the way back. It's a zero gravity position.
So it's taking the pressure off your cardiovascular.

Speaker 58 And what are you putting in the...

Speaker 53 What is this?

Speaker 83 That's what runs the different protocols. So it's connected, but that's what tells us what to do.
Okay. Okay.
So this is an electromagnetic resonance machine, basically.

Speaker 83 So what that everything in life has an electrical sort of impulse current to it, including that's that's how our cells talk to each other, our nervous cells, they send millions and millions of these signals every single day, minute, second, pretty much, depending on what we're doing, is how they communicate.

Speaker 83 So the body has this electromagnetic energy, computers have a different type of electromagnetic energy, and what happens is these invisible forces actually do play a role on our own health and well-being.

Speaker 83 So this here is designed to help try balance out and calm some of that energy in the body then our body will naturally start to do all of the things so these machines don't heal people but they create the environment that allows your body to do what it does best okay right

Speaker 83 so if people are claiming that these are healing you it's actually not it's creating the correct environment where your body can actually calm down and when we're out of that stressed state

Speaker 83 our body you know it knows what to do it knows exactly what to do and how to do it its primary function is to find homeostasis balance and find the path of least resistance. Right, right.

Speaker 83 So that's what we get in the way.

Speaker 57 I appreciate Kim's disclaimer that this magnosphere isn't actually going to do anything, that the way it quote works is to get my body in the mood to do its own job.

Speaker 59 But then I start to wonder if that's mostly because I'm going to spend a half an hour in a room with dim lighting and calming music.

Speaker 63 And if that's the case,

Speaker 78 if that's the real treat, the real way my body will get in the mood to do its own job,

Speaker 67 then why is she charging me 70 bucks for it i have chairs and light switches at home

Speaker 58 okay and do i need to take my earrings off no that's fine

Speaker 75 What happened?

Speaker 5 Jesus Christ. All right.

Speaker 61 Well, first of all, would you like a hydrogen-infused water?

Speaker 86 Wait a second.

Speaker 75 Like the hydrogen in H2O?

Speaker 86 Like, isn't there, isn't water two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen?

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Speaker 81 All right, where do I begin?

Speaker 58 Um, the jig was up when she didn't make me take my jewelry off

Speaker 62 inside of a magnetic thingamabobber.

Speaker 86 That's weird.

Speaker 51 The main thing was I had to be in this chair where I was like leaned all the way back and my legs were up.

Speaker 51 And I think that's the whole thing that makes you feel anything because you're like upside down a little bit with your head back and your feet up in the air.

Speaker 5 I was trying the whole time to feel like to sense something, but nothing was happening except for one thing that did happen a lot, which I am embarrassed to admit.

Speaker 81 But if I was someone who was like, oh, I need this to be doing something to my body and I wanted it, I wanted to believe, it makes you fart.

Speaker 5 And they spray a bunch of lavender stuff in the room beforehand because she's like, oh, this will make it like a more sensory experience.

Speaker 5 And I'm like, no, you're just covering up up all the farts in the room,

Speaker 82 and then my feet went numb because I was kind of upside down.

Speaker 62 So, there was a lot of stuff happening because of the chair.

Speaker 67 So, that was a total waste of time and money.

Speaker 54 One, my leg felt the same after I left, and two, if you need to get a fart out, just tip upside down.

Speaker 3 Gas rises.

Speaker 64 You can Venmo me 70 bucks if you want.

Speaker 76 All right, today we're going to Beverly Hills.

Speaker 71 And I'm getting ear seeds.

Speaker 75 What is an ear seed?

Speaker 87 These 24 karat, this is on Neiman Marcus's website. These 24 karat plated ion seeds stimulate reflex centers of the brain to help you achieve your calm, happy, detox, and pain-free experience.

Speaker 87 Wait, detox-free or detox and pain.

Speaker 61 What? Enjoy the golden look, the nourishing feeling, and this unique approach to easing your symptoms.

Speaker 76 Should I flag all of these reviews on Neiman Marcus as inappropriate?

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Speaker 81 This is a review.

Speaker 75 From Goldear.com.

Speaker 5 Uh-huh.

Speaker 77 My feelings are pure and honest. The pressure points are spot on, all caps.

Speaker 63 I couldn't be more at peace with myself.

Speaker 7 These are fat

Speaker 75 buwless.

Speaker 69 Not quite sure, says Judith.

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Speaker 35 I'm Hannah Berner, and I'm also thinking about underwear, but I prefer full coverage.

Speaker 36 I like to call them my granny panties.

Speaker 34 Actually, I never think about underwear. That's the magic of Tommy John.

Speaker 37 Same. They're so light and so comfy.

Speaker 38 And if it's not comfortable, I'm not wearing it.

Speaker 39 And the bras, soft, supportive, and actually breathable.

Speaker 37 Yes, Lord knows the girls need to breathe.

Speaker 40 Also, I need my PJs to breathe and be buttery, soft, and stretchy enough for my dramatic tossing and turning at night.

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Speaker 75 Do you know where we're going? I'm sorry.

Speaker 62 Yeah, you're supposed to be taking a left on Beverly, which you just passed.

Speaker 5 So go left on Rodeo Drive.

Speaker 5 This is so stupid.

Speaker 81 Oh my god.

Speaker 5 Prada.

Speaker 69 Gucci. Prada.

Speaker 5 I feel like I should start rapping, but I don't know how.

Speaker 64 I guess. I am.

Speaker 51 Another St. Laurent.
There's two Saint Laurents on the street. Botega, Venita, Valentino, Doljeng, Gabbana, Dior, Piaget.

Speaker 51 Okay, so there's Barney's.

Speaker 5 It's, oh, ha, you know what?

Speaker 51 It's inside the Neiman Marcus.

Speaker 74 That's why they're selling them at Neiman Marcus.

Speaker 53 Okay, I want everything.

Speaker 54 Where is so?

Speaker 3 It's VIE.

Speaker 60 We're in the jewelry department, but nobody seems to work here.

Speaker 58 Look at that sequin coat.

Speaker 68 Hang on.

Speaker 48 $12,000.

Speaker 2 I headed for the jewelry department based on the photo I saw of the ear seeds, which looked like tiny gold earrings stuck to supposed pressure points on your earlobe.

Speaker 60 But no one knew what I was talking about when I was asking them for this service.

Speaker 73 Eventually, a woman sent me downstairs to a weird corner of the cosmetics department where there was a reception table set up with macaroons and champagne flutes full of water.

Speaker 78 And I waited and waited and waited about 15 minutes for someone to show up.

Speaker 61 Eventually, someone did, but she didn't have great news.

Speaker 62 I got stood up.

Speaker 86 By who?

Speaker 81 I don't know.

Speaker 81 Someone who works for that company.

Speaker 62 Today I learned that there is a spa in the basement of Neiman Marcus.

Speaker 3 That says it's a spa, but really it's just like three rooms off of the cosmetics department.

Speaker 72 And they said, She's not here yet.

Speaker 74 And then 10 minutes later, they handed me a phone, and a guy was on the phone.

Speaker 72 And he said,

Speaker 67 The service that you used to book the appointment booked you at 11.

Speaker 74 And I said, No, they didn't because they texted me and emailed and gave me a calendar alert that my appointment's at 10 because I asked for an appointment at 10.

Speaker 3 And he said, No, they booked you at 11.

Speaker 56 This next procedure is what I I have heard of because my aunt, not Amy, but another aunt, her sister, owns a machine similar to the one I'm about to get hooked up to.

Speaker 61 It's called a Rife machine and it was invented in the 1930s by a guy named Royal R.

Speaker 52 Reif.

Speaker 62 His name was Royal.

Speaker 73 And it claims to work in a way that's similar to those essential oils, you know, vibrating frequencies and whatnot.

Speaker 59 I've never seen the machine in person before, but in pictures, it looks a lot like an e-meter.

Speaker 57 Those machines that Scientologists use with cans you hold onto while someone grills you about your childhood trauma.

Speaker 62 Kind of looks like that.

Speaker 57 So, to find a clinic that has one, we end up driving to a not super rich part of town.

Speaker 62 The office building this clinic is in is all brown glass and metal, about four stories with no real signage, and it's on a dusty corner opposite a gas station.

Speaker 65 It feels more normal.

Speaker 57 That is, until I step inside and I'm assaulted by a sound that I can't immediately identify.

Speaker 57 how are you all? Good, how are you?

Speaker 84 First of all, the place is tiny, which is fine, but not super fine when I'm told the procedure I'm getting is going to take place right next to the front desk, which is right in front of the waiting area, which was currently hosting a pre-teen boy playing his Nintendo Switch out loud.

Speaker 84 Though you can't quite hear the pre-teen dude on his Nintendo Switch because there's an oxygen chamber sitting right next to the waiting area and it's running full blast.

Speaker 84 And by oxygen chamber, I mean a domed enclosure made out of what looks like it's trying to look like Kevlar. It's got a zipper on it and hoses running hither and yon.

Speaker 90 I am doing the rice.

Speaker 90 Oh the ride? Yeah, I think I have a 1.30 appointment because I booked through a service online.

Speaker 91 Do you know what you want to do on the ride or you want to look through?

Speaker 68 I think it's just depression and anxiety.

Speaker 91 Depression and anxiety. Do I do it myself? Well, you literally just sit and hold onto paddles and you cannot close your eyes.

Speaker 86 Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 84 All right, guys, I don't know how to say this, but this place was a fucking mess.

Speaker 84 Stacks of paper all over the front desk, smudges on the walls, things held together with duct tape, and severely faded posters touting the benefits of various alternative therapies the clinic offers.

Speaker 64 The receptionist pulls out a three-ring reference binder of codes for the Rife machine, each ailment with its own special set of numbers that she must plug in.

Speaker 68 34 minutes?

Speaker 68 Okay, Ready depression for IMD.

Speaker 12 So you might feel a little tingled, but other than that, you're going to take my jewelry off?

Speaker 53 No, it's fine. Okay.

Speaker 53 Oh, whoa.

Speaker 92 It'll sniff. Yeah.

Speaker 93 It feels fine. So right now it's on like a three.

Speaker 53 Uh-huh.

Speaker 32 Which is, that's what I do, like a three.

Speaker 93 But if you wanted a higher eye trend, you don't want to start too high.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 93 But if you feel it now, then we're good.

Speaker 53 We don't need to go up that fire. Okay.

Speaker 14 But you do feel it. Yeah.

Speaker 91 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 93 So it says you're at a good

Speaker 88 pulse.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 57 I asked for help with depression and anxiety.

Speaker 61 And when she enters the code for depression and anxiety, it says that it's going to run for 50 minutes.

Speaker 59 But then I explain that my appointment is only 30 minutes.

Speaker 52 And she says, okay, no problem.

Speaker 7 We'll do 30.

Speaker 59 Very scientific.

Speaker 73 As I sit there holding on to the things, One person exits the oxygen tent and three different clients come out of rooms that I later find out are where the colonics are performed.

Speaker 56 And as they leave, every single one of them lingers at the front desk, chatting about how their colonic went and what service they'd like to book next.

Speaker 73 It's clear that these people see a lot of each other, and it feels like eavesdropping on very body-focused therapy sessions.

Speaker 59 Not one of them leaves without booking another procedure. After 30 minutes, I run out of there as fast as I can and rejoin Dan.

Speaker 72 Anyway,

Speaker 49 woof.

Speaker 77 She thought I was there for some other treatment, which was like a liver and kidney cleanse, detox. Sorry, liver and kidney detox.

Speaker 68 She's like, well, what we do is we put a couple paddles on, and then it breaks everything up and flushes it out in your feces, urine, and blood.

Speaker 67 And I was like, wait, blood?

Speaker 72 How does my blood come out?

Speaker 65 So enough of me knowing less than the people I keep accusing of knowing nothing about the stuff they're doing to me.

Speaker 57 I have a million questions about what all of that was.

Speaker 68 Every person I spoke to at these facilities kind of reminded me of my Aunt Amy in that they all had a spiel involving frequencies or magnetic forces, things like that.

Speaker 23 I considered asking a doctor if any of these treatments were legit, but I'd have to talk to a hundred physicians and I know they'd all tell me the same thing.

Speaker 68 No.

Speaker 73 And that's not what my burning question was anyway.

Speaker 2 My burning question was, is this actual science?

Speaker 73 Do these frequencies and magnetism actually do anything to your body?

Speaker 73 So that's why I found a real live quantum physicist who understands how frequencies and magnetism and all that other junk really works on a molecular level. Dr.

Speaker 64 Liam Dodd studies antimatter physics and he did his PhD work at CERN, you know, where the Large Hadron Collider is.

Speaker 53 Hello, Liam. Hi.

Speaker 85 That's coming up.

Speaker 88 My name is Dr. Liam Dudd.
I have a PhD in physics, specializing in experimental antimatter physics.

Speaker 88 I worked at CEA in Paris, which is the atomic energy facility in Paris that does lots of research there. It's where they built the first experimental reactors in France.

Speaker 88 And after that, I moved and carried on my doctoral research working at CERN.

Speaker 54 Can you tell us a little more about what CERN is?

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Speaker 33 Hey, I'm Paige DeSorbo, and I'm always thinking about underwear.

Speaker 35 I'm Hannah Bruner, and I'm also thinking about underwear, but I prefer full coverage.

Speaker 36 I like to call them my granny panties.

Speaker 34 Actually, I never think about underwear. That's the magic of Tommy John.

Speaker 38 Same, they're so light and so comfy, and if it's not comfortable, I'm not wearing it.

Speaker 39 And the bras, bras, soft, supportive, and actually breathable.

Speaker 37 Yes, Lord knows the girls need to breathe.

Speaker 40 Also, I need my PJs to breathe and be buttery soft and stretchy enough for my dramatic tossing and turning at night.

Speaker 43 That's why I live in my Tommy John pajamas.

Speaker 44 Plus, they're so cute because they fit perfectly.

Speaker 45 Put yourself on to Tommy John.

Speaker 46 Upgrade your drawer with Tommy John.

Speaker 47 Save 25% for a limited time at tommyjohn.com/slash comfort.

Speaker 48 See site for details.

Speaker 88 It's got a French acronym, but it's basically the center of European nuclear research. It's the single biggest particle physics experiment.
I think the biggest physics experiments

Speaker 88 on the planet.

Speaker 88 It's most famous these days for the LHC, which is the Large Hadron Collider, which is a huge accelerating ring that goes underneath France and Switzerland, where they accelerate protons to 99.9999999% of the speed of light, and then smash them together and see what comes out.

Speaker 88 They discovered the Higgs bores on in 2012, which was obviously the major discovery they were hoping to find.

Speaker 88 But they also do lots of other work.

Speaker 88 And the group I worked for was part of the Antimatter Factory, working for an experiment that was hoping to produce stable charged anti-hydrogen ions so that we could then trap them, cool them, and then measure the gravitational acceleration of an antimatter atom in an Earth field.

Speaker 55 Okay, so Liam knows magnetism, quantum mechanics, vibrations, positive and negative charges in the body.

Speaker 73 To someone like him, did any of these treatments make sense?

Speaker 78 So you heard our first episode where we were talking about essential oils and their frequencies.

Speaker 61 What did you think of what we read in the Young Living Oils handbook?

Speaker 88 It was the

Speaker 88 major issue I have with the way that bonus centers and essential oils and all those co-opt quantum mechanics is that they treat the word quantum as if it means weird or spooky or like something that's like hard to understand.

Speaker 88 They suddenly think, well that means everything weird we can now explain with quantum mechanics.

Speaker 88 When all quantum mechanics, like the name comes from, the energy is quantized at that kind of level of that level of physics.

Speaker 88 So when things are very small, for example, for an electron to transition between two states in an atom, it has to have an exact energy transition.

Speaker 88 It can't have nearly the same amount or a little bit more. It has to have the exact kind of amount.
So that's all the quantum mechanics means.

Speaker 88 So it's a very, very rigorous mathematical branch of physics.

Speaker 88 So when I hear in things like the Young Living Manual, when they talk about how, well, you can take this oil and it will balance your vibrational frequencies to something that's better or whatever.

Speaker 88 It drives me nuts because there's enough science-y words that people who don't know anything about quantum mechanics will assume that there must be some science behind it, which ignores so much basic rudimentary biology and quite basic quantum mechanics that it's ludicrous.

Speaker 88 And you have people tricked because they assume that like an MRI machine uses quantum mechanics,

Speaker 88 cancer treatment uses quantum mechanics, so there must be something in this oil that also uses quantum mechanics when there isn't. There's just nothing there.
It's just a lie.

Speaker 61 In addition to looking into the frequencies of essential oils, we sent Dr.

Speaker 62 Dodd information about Royal R.

Speaker 61 Reif and his machine and how I was quote treated for my depression and anxiety by it.

Speaker 88 The problem with Rife and like other kind of technical snake oil salesmen is that it's really hard to understand what they're trying to do because there's so little science behind it.

Speaker 88 So when you like he describes his like his beam ray that could kill pathogens, which

Speaker 88 There's no real explanation for like how any of that can work. There are certain things like ultrasonic frequencies that can like heat up cells and

Speaker 88 damage them or kill them. There are like ionizing radiation which can kill cells.
But his things seem to be generally that if you found the right electrical frequency to vibrate people at,

Speaker 88 that would somehow kill pathogens or kill cancer or whatever kind of thing it was.

Speaker 88 And I see they've also, because I read his like early 1930s stuff and didn't really talk about mental health, but I assume they've now moved the market there because it's another place to make money.

Speaker 88 But there's just no,

Speaker 88 I just can't understand how it's meant to work. I just don't get any mechanism by which it's supposed to work.

Speaker 71 The thing that I found in common with that and the essential oils is that they, the mode of application would be systemic.

Speaker 79 It's not targeted.

Speaker 51 So,

Speaker 82 you know, like if they plug in a certain frequency and I'm holding two paddles or whatever in my hands,

Speaker 82 how is the vibration supposed to find the place in my body?

Speaker 62 Even if it were, like, this is assuming a lot,

Speaker 79 but let's say it did work or the oil did work. How does the oil find the right spot in my body to, I feel like it's a complete misunderstanding of like how our system works.

Speaker 88 Yeah, because I think

Speaker 88 I'm not a medical doctor. I know stuff, but I'm not a medical doctor.

Speaker 88 And like, I think people can get confused, especially when you think about if you have dental pain, for example, and you take a painkiller, somehow your dental pain stops hurting.

Speaker 88 And if you have a sore wrist and you take an ibuprofen, somehow your wrist stops hurting. And there's a lot to do with how the drugs bind with us and how that affects our pain receptors, for example.

Speaker 88 So people kind of have an assumption that, well, your body kind of works it out by itself.

Speaker 88 Especially when you get a lot of pseudoscience that talks about how our body knows what it needs best and like listen to what your body says. Your body's smarter than people tell you it is.

Speaker 73 So ibuprofen works by inhibiting prostaglandins, which are found all over your body, and they're responsible for inflammation and pain.

Speaker 56 Take one and the thing that's hurting stops hurting for a bit.

Speaker 61 But with a Rife machine, there's no mechanism by which holding onto two low-power electrodes can cure a person of their anxiety.

Speaker 73 That's just not the way the physical world works.

Speaker 64 I also sent Dr. Dodd the website of the manufacturers of the Magnosphere, which even they seem oddly confused by.

Speaker 88 Once again, it's one of the things where they can take relatively real science and then extrapolate it to the point where it is just magic.

Speaker 88 The thing that I looked up this website and I was astonished by the video that told me it doesn't cure anything. and here's how it's going to cure you, which was a great twist of a video.

Speaker 88 But I guess that's a legal thing. So I don't know.
I'm not American. I don't quite know how all your laws work.

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Speaker 88 But the thing that drove me really nuts is that it compared it to an MRI machine, which explicitly shows you that people who are reading that are being tricked into not knowing what an MRI machine is.

Speaker 88 Because the MRI machine is a beautiful piece of technology that was developed in Nottingham by Dr. Mansfield.
And he found that him and many other contributors found that you could

Speaker 88 put the human body or many things under a high magnetic field. and it would cause the protons in this case to fall out of alignment to where they wouldn't want to be traditionally.

Speaker 88 And then when you turn off the field,

Speaker 88 the protons fall back into position. So when the field is on, they deviate from their original position.
And then when you turn it off, they return back to their position.

Speaker 88 And then you have detectors around

Speaker 88 the person or whatever you're scanning that can interpret these photons into an image that can be read by a radiologist.

Speaker 66 I'll try to simplify here.

Speaker 71 An MRI is a way of taking a picture of your insides.

Speaker 62 That's it.

Speaker 2 First, you take your jewelry off, definitely.

Speaker 69 And then you lie in a machine, and a very strong magnet is turned on.

Speaker 66 And that magnet, on an atomic level, causes protons to move just a tiny bit.

Speaker 85 Then the magnet's turned off.

Speaker 73 And as those protons move back into place, they release energy in the form of photons, which are like little light particles.

Speaker 56 That's what's captured on the image of an MRI.

Speaker 57 And so when we're talking about me getting inside a magnosphere, that is not at all what's happening.

Speaker 88 No,

Speaker 88 because when you get into a static field, like whatever happens happens as you get into the static field.

Speaker 88 And then when you lie in the static field, nothing happens because you're just in the static field.

Speaker 88 And then when you get out of the static field, you just return to how you were before you were in the magnetic field.

Speaker 88 I don't know any other mechanism by which that isn't the case.

Speaker 88 I tried looking and I don't really see anything that makes sense. And their website obviously doesn't tell you how it's meant to work.

Speaker 88 Like, I worked around some pretty heavy magnets when I was doing my

Speaker 88 studies.

Speaker 88 And like, we couldn't go near with credit cards. And these were like magnets that we just had in our lab.
And we had to say a certain distance of a credit card, or you might just wipe it.

Speaker 88 That you could, like, if you moved slowly enough in and out, you could kind of prevent the wiping happening.

Speaker 88 So the fact that they didn't take anything or didn't even check for any ferrous material is a sign that it's not really doing anything

Speaker 40 can we also talk about the distrust of science like i think a lot of people believe

Speaker 64 that scientists like you or doctors um have some secret that you're keeping from the rest of us

Speaker 82 and that

Speaker 82 somehow you're making money by not telling us how physics works.

Speaker 78 while at the same time they think

Speaker 60 you don't know any more than they do

Speaker 88 um i think that the biggest secret science is keeping from the general public is how little money we make um

Speaker 88 just across the board um like

Speaker 88 as a phd student i made about 1300 euros a month and I lived in a city with rent that was a thousand euros a month. So when you do the maths, you realize that I was homeless for periods of my PhD.

Speaker 88 So that's the biggest secret that we're keeping from people is that we don't have any money.

Speaker 88 But I think the general distrust comes from the fact, I think it comes from two places. Firstly, science is actually quite hard, like not in a bragging kind of way.
Like just science is difficult.

Speaker 88 Any subject done to a high level is difficult. And then you add in the complexity that the language of science often isn't the natural language in which you otherwise interact with the world.

Speaker 88 So for example, if I went into an undergraduate history course, I might not know what's going on to a great extent, but I can at least follow what's happening in the lecture.

Speaker 88 I can follow that names are being said and events are being described. If a history graduate walked into an undergraduate physics course, they might not know what the maths on the board even does.

Speaker 88 They might just physically not have the context or learning at that point to know what it does. And that's not to say they're stupid.
It's just to say that they don't know, which is fair.

Speaker 88 I don't know what happened in the Napoleonic Wars, but it generally doesn't affect my life to much extent.

Speaker 88 And then you add on that, like in other fields like chemistry and biology, the wording is quite difficult as well.

Speaker 88 Like we use things like autonomic nervous system or whatever it was that the ANS, that the machine said it would cured.

Speaker 88 These are technical words that have confusing double meanings because if you say someone is nervous and then you talk about the nervous system,

Speaker 88 they're different things. They're not the same word being used for the same context.
So I think to an extent there is a general impenetrability to science when it's not explained well.

Speaker 88 I think these days scientists are trying their damnedest to explain it better and trying to get people interested in science and trying to get them to understand what is happening. Like

Speaker 88 I was in my second year at university when

Speaker 88 the Large Hadron Collider found the Higgs boson and for the first time in like my experiences, everyone was talking about physics. Everyone wanted to understand physics.

Speaker 88 Everyone know what was going on. But in general, physics isn't cool and isn't sexy.
Like I spent four and a half years slaving away, and my contribution will be read by 30 to 40 people

Speaker 88 probably for the next hundred years. You add on to that, that science is then attached in some places to such important parts of life, like cancer treatment.
Cancer is like terrifying.

Speaker 88 I've lost people to cancer. I think everyone I know has lost people to cancer.
And if you were told that there was some secret way to cure it, everyone would jump on it.

Speaker 88 And then even the word the cure for cancer is itself like a misnomer. Like there is no cure for cancer.

Speaker 88 Cancer is a multitude of different diseases, which is often relatively unique to each individual. So there will never be a cure for cancer.

Speaker 88 There will just be better and better treatments until we get to the point where we can effectively have said we've cured cancer because our treatments are such that cancer isn't a cause of death anymore.

Speaker 88 And I think also

Speaker 88 on top of that is that there is a relative snootiness among some in the scientific establishment establishment that they think that spending their time talking to average people about physics or chemistry or biology isn't the best use of their time.

Speaker 88 They're not the majority, but there's a definite strain of disregard for the rest of society.

Speaker 88 And you can feel this a lot when you're at places like CERN in like very subtle ways.

Speaker 88 I was in a room where everyone has a doctorate or higher. Like everyone in the room has that.
And there's like 100 of us in the room. That is not statistically normal.

Speaker 88 That's not statistically average. There's no way that the rest of society will ever do that.
Like I don't know anyone from my girlfriend's circle of friends that is doing a doctorate.

Speaker 88 That's just not the case. But I know obviously hundreds of people who did them.

Speaker 88 So there's kind of an isolationism that builds up within us because we are just in our own circle and in our own separate worlds.

Speaker 88 And then, so you have the mixture of the language we use is complicated at times. We're not always the best at explaining it in simple terms.

Speaker 88 We live in effectively relatively isolated groups because we work among people who have the same qualifications as us.

Speaker 88 Like, we don't, we, apart from outside of HR and secretaries and cleaners, we don't have staff that have different roles and different backgrounds. Everyone has the same background.

Speaker 88 The kind of perception of eliteness among us, and then the fact that, like, a lot of us use public money to do all our research, and then you have that strand of we're wasting the government's money.

Speaker 88 It makes it much more comforting than to say when something is scary in the world, like cancer, to say there's some sort of conspiracy or trick occurring than it is to say that like the world is just random and no one knows what happens for any reason.

Speaker 88 Like

Speaker 88 I think the reason why

Speaker 88 there's a conspiracy that pharmaceutical companies have cured cancer, but they won't give it out because

Speaker 88 it's more profitable to not do that is that it's much more comforting to think that there's a scary bogeyman. and there's nothing you can do about it.
Like you can't do that.

Speaker 88 They're rich, they're released, there's nothing you can do about it than it is to kind of stare stare in the face that you don't have a choice whether you get cancer. Like it just happens.

Speaker 88 There's nothing you can do about it in terms of like, you can obviously lower risk factors. You cannot smoke, you cannot drink, you cannot eat red meat.

Speaker 88 But at the end of the day, there's nothing you can do at the end to stop it. If it happens, it happens.
So I just think it's a kind of trying to understand a world which is scary.

Speaker 88 Scientists are a relatively easy group to kind of demonize for

Speaker 88 treating everyone else as if they're not deserving of what we have, which is kind of not what we're trying to do.

Speaker 60 What are you trying to do?

Speaker 88 Personally, like the professional answer is we're trying to increase humanity's understanding of the world around us and to gain a better appreciation for our position and place in the universe.

Speaker 88 The real answer is that we just like playing with things and we just want to play with bigger and bigger things.

Speaker 55 Do you have any thoughts about

Speaker 79 the personality types of people who

Speaker 79 espouse these sorts of treatments?

Speaker 88 Well, it depends on which level they are in

Speaker 88 the grift.

Speaker 88 And like those people who are like trying to pass off whatever Young Living has told them, I mostly view them as a mixture of like desperation in like to get the product to be successful or kind of a slight bit of will for ignorance or like just kind of general understandable ignorance on the topic.

Speaker 88 I don't view them as any particular level of like insidious or nasty.

Speaker 88 the people higher up i i have very little patience for i i think they're either completely delusional about what they are selling and therefore i don't trust them to have the ability to rationally think about what they're doing or they know it's a grift at which point they are actively promoting a thing which is highly likely to cause someone to die or get worse because they will actively avoid traditional treatment over their alternative treatment.

Speaker 88 And if the health outcomes to the alternative treatment are there are no benefits, you are actively signing death warrants to people who choose to follow and believe what you believe or what you are trying to sell.

Speaker 88 So I think people at the top are generally disgusting and are not worthy of any respect or consideration.

Speaker 88 I know a lot of these, when you read their works like the radionics guys and the early essential oils guys, a lot of it was attached to like religious ideas or spiritualist ideas where they could then blame you for it not working if you didn't believe in it or you didn't take you didn't do it properly and I think the same applies to many of these new wellness ideas that if it's not what if it's not working the fault somehow lies with you not the machine and therefore

Speaker 88 that's in itself quite insidious as a business model but when you start applying it to things like anxiety and depression that's an incredibly like nasty and evil way to approach trying to help someone it's by telling them that they are the reason why their condition isn't getting better when you're just selling them something that you know or either you know or you blindly believe it works, but you should know that it doesn't work.

Speaker 88 It doesn't do anything. So, I don't know.
I just find them as a whole quite a gross industry.

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