Should We Talk To Marjorie Taylor Greene?

Speaker 1 Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find Out podcast.
A little announcement.

Speaker 1 We were going to have Governor Janet Mills with us today, but apparently, Donald Trump is doing something to screw with the state of Maine and probably a bunch of other states.

Speaker 1 So she had to clear her schedule to deal with that today.

Speaker 1 So we will be rescheduling with her, hopefully, here in the next few days. But we have plenty of things to talk about because, well, since we dropped our last episode on

Speaker 1 Friday,

Speaker 1 MAGA has sort of been at war with itself.

Speaker 1 Trump's breaking up with Marjorie Taylor Greene. Trump was railing on the Epstein list, and then last night just decided to say release it, even though he could do that.

Speaker 1 So is MAGA breaking, guys? Are we maybe starting starting to see some cracks in this

Speaker 1 in this impenetrable cult-like thing that we have dealt with for? I gotta stop you. I gotta stop you.
You is breaking up, railing, and impenetrable in the same 30 seconds. You gotta stop.

Speaker 1 I don't, you know, have you, have you ever seen the movie The Other Guys? Yes. Yes.
Where he's always like making those things about TLC and they're like, those are the reference.

Speaker 1 I am really going to do, what's his name? Keaton.

Speaker 1 Michael Keaton. I have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm just saying it. We have listeners who actually believe that you are like part of a conspiracy.
You're like, you're gaslighting people with

Speaker 1 your comments that you act like you don't understand are

Speaker 1 as sexual as they are. Like, let's be honest here.
Like, these are really

Speaker 1 deeply inappropriate. Like Michael Keaton says, I mean, I'm just, I'm just saying the words.
I don't, I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 Don't go. Yeah, don't go, Chasing those.
No, there's no scrubs here.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well,

Speaker 2 so your question was, is MAGA in a civil war?

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay, that's absolutely not. No, MAGA is stronger than ever.
I mean, what are you just talking about? MAGA is the future.

Speaker 2 I think the biggest thing that happened over the weekend was Donald Trump gave Marjorie Taylor Greene, not one, but at least two.

Speaker 2 Marjorie Taylor Brown, because as he explained in his Truth Social, because grass turns brown when it dies.

Speaker 1 When it rots. When it rots.

Speaker 1 Yeah. When you guys play a joke, it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 Yikes. And Marjorie Trader Green, which I actually think is much more devastating.
That is better.

Speaker 1 But that was the second one, right? He, he, he threw the, the, the, um, you know, the brown one out there and then had to, like Luke, you were saying, like, had to explain it, which is

Speaker 1 the best, the best way to know if your joke is working if you're having to explain it.

Speaker 1 But I didn't see the Trader one, but that's, that's a, that's a good idea. I just mostly saw other people that said, you could have said this, but you went with Marjorie Taylor Brown.

Speaker 1 That's like horrible. Maybe the worst thing he's ever done.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I think the most exciting thing about the whole MTG thing, like, no, she's not. I mean, who cares? I don't care.
I'm not voting for her. I don't live in her district

Speaker 1 whether she's like, whether this is genuine or not, whatever. But Trump already went on.

Speaker 1 Trump already went on True Social and said he's going to back whoever wants to primary,

Speaker 1 Marjorie Taylor Greene. Within like seven seconds, the local,

Speaker 1 the Republican Party leader was like, no, we got Marjorie Taylor Greene's back. Like,

Speaker 1 people don't fully appreciate

Speaker 1 Donald Trump losing Kingmaker status in Republican Party politics. That's the whole thing.
That is 100% of the whole thing.

Speaker 1 MAGA is broken in half, and everyone is going to, like, rats fleeing the ship. Like, they are going to be desperate to figure out who is

Speaker 1 the Big Daddy now that Big Daddy is inept and out of power. now inept.

Speaker 1 I think Tucker Carlson is ready to step into the spotlight.

Speaker 2 He had his disastrous interview with the white supremacist Nick Fuentes a few weeks ago. And just this weekend was the first time that Trump

Speaker 2 acknowledged it because the Heritage Foundation had people quitting over it. And the president of Heritage came out and defended Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 2 And Trump basically came out this weekend and he's like, hey, you know,

Speaker 2 I don't know these guys. People should just listen and decide for themselves.
And it's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 So you're encouraging your base to listen to a Nazi and decide for yourself if you want to side with the rabid anti-Semite. But one thing that should be notable is that,

Speaker 2 at least as of the time that we're recording, the Anti-Defension Defamation League, the ADL, has not yet addressed this at all, but they have posted three times about mayor-elect Momnami.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, I masks are off.

Speaker 1 To be clear, Donald Trump knows Nick Fuentes because in the two social shows

Speaker 1 for dinner, right? He, well, not only did they have dinner together, they had dinner together at Mar-a-Lago. Yeah.
And he sat next to him. This is widely reported.
He's even admitted it.

Speaker 1 So in this, in this like Tucker Carlson versus who are we claiming is the other side side of this? Is that Ted Cruz and Shapiro?

Speaker 1 And Ben Shapiro, Donald Trump has sided with the white supremacists, which should not be surprising. And if

Speaker 1 go look at what Nick Fuentes has said over the course of his career, I don't want to do that. There is, well, you know, you don't.

Speaker 1 But like, if it's important to see which side of this he is actually backing, it is the white supremacist fascist side.

Speaker 1 And I can't believe I'm agreeing with Ben Shapiro, but like in this particular instance, like he is right.

Speaker 1 But, you know, it kind of like, I don't know if this, I don't know how much this matters anymore because I think what we're seeing is that people are realizing that Donald Trump is a lame duck.

Speaker 1 And they are all, because they're all grifters. No one's doing this for altruistic reasons.
They are now all trying to jockey forward power, which I think is exactly what Tucker Carlson is doing.

Speaker 1 And frankly, winning at the moment. I mean, you got the president to back him.

Speaker 1 But it is interesting because Marjorie Taylor Greene also comes from that side of the party. And I don't actually know what she's trying to

Speaker 1 do because she has not seen the light. I want to be very clear.
She has not seen the lights.

Speaker 2 So she wants the Georgia Senate. Right.
And

Speaker 2 Trump told her, no, you should not run.

Speaker 2 And I think she's on a revenge campaign.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was the beginning of the end for that relationship, for sure. 100%.
Yep. 100%.

Speaker 1 She was interviewed by, well, first first of all i saw the view thing which was i can't believe they put her on there but like you know she played she put her smiles on it whatever but then she was on with cnn this weekend with with dana bash and she apologized for her role in the toxic politics role in the toxic politics this is a woman who chased down gun violence uh survivors on the hill before she was in congress to yell at them like people who lost friends and family i think was that david hogg who she chased around yeah like a kid at the time like you say what you want about him now but like he was 17 18 when that happened she was chasing him around and then today she came out with this america first thing which we all know what that's code for so please wipe any democrats

Speaker 1 she has not seen the light she's not our friend it's still fine for her to war with donald trump yeah but like this is the personal vengeance thing this is not a i've seen the light and i'm like you know i'm going to become a better person power hates a vacuum and uh there's a vacuum um and so it's gonna get backfilled and everybody is going i mean it is they're gonna all be going to war with each other to claim the mantle of MAGA.

Speaker 1 They'll probably certainly try to rebrand it or something. But like, essentially, what they're trying to do is harness the power of that cult.
And so all of these people are going to be, it's good.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be really bad for a while.

Speaker 1 Maybe they'll have somebody who's next person up for 2028, like in time, but it's just going to be, I mean, the soul of the, this was generous to say that there's a soul of the Republican Party, but like the pith of the Republican Party, the black hole where there should be a soul

Speaker 1 is not going to be defined for a while. It's going to take people to pull the numbers that Trump pulled.
And right now, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, like Marjorie Taylor Greene,

Speaker 1 these are not polished national leaders who are going to do what Trump has done. So it's just going to get worse.
Nobody can replicate Trump.

Speaker 3 Some people disagree with me on it, but I really don't believe. Like, I think MAGA doesn't, MAGA doesn't die with Trump, right?

Speaker 3 Because it's a gigantic movement and a lot of people believe in the tenets of it. But MAGA's momentum dies with Trump.
There's no question about it.

Speaker 3 Nobody can take the mantle that Trump created because Trump is enigmatic. Nobody's enigmatic like these, like JD Vance is just a loser.

Speaker 1 Like he's just an annoying, weasly little loser.

Speaker 3 Nobody else has the personality adaptability that Trump has. Trump is a snake oil salesman at its best, which means he's charming and able to get into a room and convince you of things.

Speaker 3 Nobody can do all that. But the bottom line of it is MAGA made a very distinct promise that what it can deliver on and what it's going to do for regular Americans.

Speaker 3 And the reason this is all happening now is not Epstein. It's Epstein crashing into none of the promises coming true.

Speaker 3 That's what it really is. And the more that goes on and the less their promises get fulfilled, the more they're going to just fucking hemorrhage people.
That's the bottom line of it.

Speaker 3 They can't fix that problem unless they actually do good things, which they won't.

Speaker 1 Well, Luke, I want to ask you as our resident youth ambassador. God damn it.
You're supposed to stop saying that. A lot of people do not like it.
Youth ambassador. It's deeply ageist.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you fucking

Speaker 1 shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Luke, what are your thoughts as a grown-ass man? Oh, there we go. I like that.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, I find myself in right-wing places. There's a lot of right-wing fuck faces at the gym.
And they, I mean, once a week, I wear my fuck Trump hoodie to the gym.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 It's been in the last two weeks that I've had two people that I've never talked to ever.

Speaker 1 One of of them has We the People tattooed across his fucking chest, which side note, there's never, there's a 100%

Speaker 1 correspondence between people who have we the people tattooed on them and dickheads. I have yet to miss.

Speaker 1 But he came up and he was like, you know, I've seen you wear this before, but this is the first time I'm agreeing with you.

Speaker 1 You know, he hasn't done anything he promised and this Epstein stuff, it really seems like he's involved. And I was like, it took everything in my power not to go, I

Speaker 1 told you.

Speaker 1 But I was like, Yeah, it's pretty sketchy, man. Like, props to you for being able to say that you were wrong.
Yeah, it's a lot like uh, your kid comes to you and they're like,

Speaker 1 Dad, I don't want to be friends with the bully anymore, and you're like, Okay,

Speaker 1 one part of me wants to say, like, that bully was a piece of shit for the last two years. You should have been smarter than this.
The other part of you says, This is a moment, please.

Speaker 1 Don't fucking teachable moments.

Speaker 1 Don't ruin the moment with your own personal feelings about it so yeah it's like yes that's a great this like i totally agree with you i'm really proud of you for coming to that realization yeah great great job we got a gentle parent these years oh 100

Speaker 3 epicenter like great job little guy if we don't welcome them in with at least some version of that we're because i saw this thing yesterday about how like We're not like, it's hard to, you know, it's annoying, but we're not winning.

Speaker 3 Trump is just losing. Like, we need to capitalize on them playing poorly.
Like, they're playing a terrible game. We're not playing a good game either.
We're just sort of like watching them.

Speaker 1 We were for like two weeks. We played a really strong game.
Yeah, right up until the shutdown.

Speaker 1 Right, exactly.

Speaker 3 So, we got to capitalize, man. I mean, that's the thing.
And I think this is part of the strategy.

Speaker 3 It's like fucking wrangling all the people that are going to fucking just go at these people and say, No, you're never welcome. It's like, right.
Okay, where do they go then? They're going to vote.

Speaker 3 Who the fuck you want them to vote for?

Speaker 1 You know, I mean, I think it's right. And Luke, that was a very mature response from you.
So, well done. A little out of character.
He also weighed like 400 pounds. He could have ripped me in half.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that's smart. That's smart.
But I think this, this is the thing that I think Democrats are finally realizing. Like, we all kind of were like on the Epstein thing for a long time.

Speaker 1 It was like, why, why are we talking about this? It's a criminal investigation. I don't understand why this is like a national issue.
Call me when there's news, right? Right.

Speaker 1 But like the reaction that we have seen to Trump basically saying, no, don't release it. Then yesterday being like, release it, I don't care, which he could have released it himself or any moment now.

Speaker 1 They're just trying to force him to release the file. That's all that is happening there.

Speaker 1 But what's really interesting is that that is that coupled with the price stuff, I think is a deadly combination for him. I don't know if he's going to get out, which is why this week

Speaker 1 he wants to talk all about affordability, which, of course, his affordabilities are like... 50-year mortgages.
I'm going to give you $2,000 of tariff taxes back to you,

Speaker 1 which he can't do without your own goddamn money.

Speaker 2 Is affordability the new new infrastructure week?

Speaker 1 Yeah, apparently. Oh, it definitely is.
If it is,

Speaker 2 it can only go downhill from here.

Speaker 1 For those of you who are buying groceries, it's a new groceries. Affordability.
It's a word no one ever heard of.

Speaker 1 It's kind of an old-fashioned word. And for those of you who don't remember, for four years, Donald Trump was promising infrastructure week over and over again.

Speaker 1 And then literally, because he was the builder, right? He was the guy that builds everything, even though he doesn't. And then Joe Biden was like, you know,

Speaker 1 hold my beer. Well, I'm here to drink, but like, hold my beer.

Speaker 1 And literally did infrastructure week and passed significant infrastructure legislation, which of course Donald Trump railed against, which it's hard to imagine what Donald Trump would want from an infrastructure bill other than what they did in the infrastructure bill.

Speaker 1 But regardless, like, I do think that the Epstein thing, and I think we're all getting wise to it now. I think it really matters.

Speaker 1 And I think for that group, you know, for a cult, it is a cult at this point.

Speaker 1 You know, I think some of the people like Luke Cassing are like, he lied to us. And then if you lied to me about Epstein,

Speaker 1 why are my prices going up? You know, I think those two things, not for everybody, because we've also seen, frankly, pedophiles like admitting their pedophiles and to defend Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 There was this guy who posted on Twitter. He was like, you know, I got, I have a, I have a

Speaker 1 sex abuse charge because when I was 22, I was dating a... I think it was a 15 or a 16 year old.
And he's like admitting this online that he's like, yes.

Speaker 1 and he's saying how ridiculous it is megan kelly did you guys hear what megan kelly said last week yeah so yeah

Speaker 1 15 15 that's that's barely legal

Speaker 1 barely legal you know

Speaker 1 barely legal types right 15 year olds are what freshmen sophomores in high school yeah i was in junior high i have a seven to ninth grade junior high i was 15 the whole year yeah ninth grade junior high like

Speaker 1 these are these are children with braces

Speaker 1 children if you look at a fucking 15-year-old as anything other than a child, you need your hard drive checked. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 The thing that

Speaker 1 really struck me was like, okay, they're barely legal types, right? It is illegal for a 15-year-old to drive at night in all 50 states. Or to get a license.

Speaker 1 They can't. Well,

Speaker 1 even the states where you can get a learner's permit or you can drive with supervision during the day, unsupervised 15-year-olds are not allowed legally to drive at night in any of the 50 states or DC.

Speaker 1 Like, if you can't drive to the grocery store at 9 p.m.

Speaker 1 and get, what, rubber bands for your braces, but you can be groomed by an adult billionaire, like

Speaker 1 this is the argument. This is the argument that they are making on the right

Speaker 1 so that they can desperately normalize whatever the fuck is about to come out about their life. That's what they're seeing up, right?

Speaker 2 They've chosen a lot.

Speaker 1 It's okay.

Speaker 2 They've moved a lot of Oberton windows, but this one I'm pretty sure is

Speaker 1 real fucking heavy.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's moved.

Speaker 1 It's a motherfucker's budget.

Speaker 1 Did you see the clip that Dean Withers posted? I was just going to ask. So, Dean, for those of you who don't know, he's

Speaker 1 in his early 20s. He's pretty well known.
And he debates MAGA folks on, I think, mostly on TikTok, but maybe it's all over. I don't know.

Speaker 1 He had one guy on. Now, and seemed, when you hear him before he says the crazy thing, you're like, okay, like this guy seems to have his thoughts together and all of this.

Speaker 1 Like, whatever, where's this going? He literally was like, well, say Donald Trump did like that to a 15-year-old. He's like, he literally said, what's wrong with that?

Speaker 1 And Dean, like, I mean, you know, Dean deals with some, I mean, we all deal with crazy people, right? Our mentions and all this stuff. But like, he was like speechless for like minutes.

Speaker 1 And the guy was like, what? Like, say, basically, like, what, Kat, got your tongue. And he made some homophobic remarks as well.
But like, Kept, he like said it like four or five times.

Speaker 1 What is wrong with an adult being with a 15-year-old? And it's like, and then Dean finally goes, it's happening. They are defending pedophilia in order to defend the president of the United States.

Speaker 1 But I don't think they're all going to do that. I think there's a good group of them, but I think this is where the Fissure starts.
At least I hope. The Fissure started a lot.
Dean had a rough week.

Speaker 1 Did you see his other thing that he got last week? No. Ooh.
He got tagged in a video of someone

Speaker 1 with another, like a phone of Dean who was pleasuring himself to the picture of Dean and

Speaker 1 posted it online. Oh, and then came up on live.
And Dean was like, You want to tell everybody what the video was you posted? Wait, he came up on live?

Speaker 1 See, Luke, it's not just me, not just me, everyone.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that Dean's had a rough week.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 when you play in that space,

Speaker 1 that's, you know, those are the people who come also to play in that space. So, like, Dean

Speaker 1 did it again.

Speaker 1 Dean has a long history of having a great time with Rage Bait. And this is what happens.

Speaker 1 But I mean, he's pretty good at, he's pretty good at managing his way through it. But those are not the people I want to talk to.

Speaker 1 I mean, again, 15-year-old can't have a license, can't vote, can't join the army, can't drink, can't drink, can't smoke. Can't smoke.
You can't even sell alcohol to somebody at most grocery stores.

Speaker 1 Can't go to a fucking R-rated movie. That's true.
Yeah, that's true. And this is what they're doing.

Speaker 1 It's just like, and they're saying, like, the guy on Twitter, because of course it was on Twitter, was like, just like out in the open. I'm like,

Speaker 1 are you, are you bragging about being on the sex offender registry for life? Because that's what he did say in this clip.

Speaker 1 To just, to do what? To defend Donald Trump instead of admitting fault? That you're going to like basically just admit that.

Speaker 1 You committed a crime that has put you on the sex offender list for the rest of your life? Like,

Speaker 1 it like,

Speaker 1 I don't, I don't even miss that.

Speaker 2 I think that a lot of people are struggling with the concept of the internet is forever and one day our country will not have a pedophile as commander-in-chief, and the FBI will not be wasting all of its time chasing down fucking migrants.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 2 really look forward to taking all of those receipts and making sure that these people are investigated because you don't defend pedophiles unless you think it's acceptable.

Speaker 2 And if you think it's acceptable, you're probably doing some shit you shouldn't do.

Speaker 1 Well, and have you seen, I don't remember where I saw this over the weekend, but essentially the Trump administration, either through DHS or ICE specifically, are diverting funds.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was just from that article.

Speaker 1 Diverting funds from, you know, anti-terrorism and child trafficking investigations to round up more

Speaker 1 brown brown people to throw out of the country.

Speaker 1 How is that making us safe?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was pulling that up because as soon as you mentioned that, I was like, oh man, I just read that too. It was in the Washington or no, New York Times.

Speaker 1 Homeland Security investigators worked 33% fewer hours on child exploitation cases from February through April compared to their average in prior years.

Speaker 1 And this was only because they put in a FOIA lawsuit to force them to release the data. So like we're talking about child sexual abuse.

Speaker 1 There's also, there's everything has been defunded, the domestic violence, all of the things that the Party of Life says that they, that they want, so that they can go and deport like dads dropping their kids off at daycare, which happened in Portland, so that they can deport house cleaners and nannies and farm workers.

Speaker 1 Some people have been here 10 years, they've literally done nothing wrong but overstay a visa. And we're saying, no, no creditors are okay

Speaker 1 as long as we get those those migrant workers out of here right that's a report that's the trump administration and then there was a report uh that came out this weekend from the ford motor company ceos basically said they have they have jobs sick five or six thousand jobs that are in the either either the 90 or double or uh six figure salaries they can't fill the jobs because there's not enough people like this was the thing we said was going to happen with mass deportations it was going to starve American businesses of workers.

Speaker 1 And that's going to obviously make prices go up because you can't make as many things. And it was so obvious that this is what was going to happen.
We already had a labor shortage, right?

Speaker 1 Like, we were already, and we were near effectively zero unemployment, but now they're starving these companies.

Speaker 1 And these are good jobs, which then means those people have are, you know, six-figure jobs in those towns buying things with six figures.

Speaker 1 And none of that is happening and it's just the chain reaction that is was so goddamn like obvious to anybody who looks at this shit but the but the racism of this America first you know we're gonna kick all the immigrant stuff out is is now showing people what that actually means which is like it's worse for everybody yeah I mean the hardest part of all this is that the like the ultimate outcome of all of it is slow And that is the worst, like narratively, it's like we can keep saying this shit and it's all true, but it won't be like effectively true in data today.

Speaker 3 It'll be effectively true in data like six months from now. And then we'll be talking about different shit at that point in time.

Speaker 3 And everybody will go, well, it's not you can't correlate to just like, of course you can't.

Speaker 1 You just have to. Everybody talking about how some pictures are AI or something at that point.

Speaker 3 Exactly. It'll just like that's the most frustrating part about politics in America in general is the average person doesn't understand lag time.

Speaker 3 It's the same reason why we had fucking inflation as high as we did globally in mid-2021. It's because the effects of 2020 took fucking time to play out.
It's like all this shit takes time.

Speaker 3 I think more and more people are learning it as we go along, but still, it's like, how do we possibly make it clear that like, we're not talking about right the second.

Speaker 3 We're talking about like long term, this is going to be horrendous and it's impossible. We just can't.

Speaker 1 Well, I think, I think I can speak for all of us that at least we know we'll have good government data. to talk about, right? Like

Speaker 1 all of the government data will be legitimate and will be very easy to make our point with.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think the studies show that facts facts don't matter. These people are impervious to facts.

Speaker 2 And in fact, facts that contradict their preconceived biases are perceived as attacks that send up their defenses and just make them cling to being an idiot even more tightly.

Speaker 2 What we need to connect with these, and I'm not fucking doing it because I hate these people, but what someone needs to do is connect with these people on values.

Speaker 2 That's what the science says when it comes to

Speaker 2 connecting with these people and influencing them. Again, I refuse to do that because fuck these people.

Speaker 1 Well, there are better people than us.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I mean, values, but I'd also say vibes, which I hate that word, but it's true.

Speaker 1 But this is why, like, I think I saw this weekend, Dave Portnoy was like, I'm tired of being called this word and I'm tired of calling that. So I'm moving my business from Manhattan to New Jersey.

Speaker 1 And this is

Speaker 1 a distinct point that we've talked about before. All these people keep saying, Democrats are calling me racist.
Democrats are calling me sexist. And the answer is, no, they're not.

Speaker 1 Now, maybe individual people are doing that, but no elected leaders, no politicians are doing that.

Speaker 1 But conservative media is telling them over and over again that that is what's happening to the point where they actually, I don't think that they're lying.

Speaker 1 I think they actually believe it because they're getting a diet of it on Facebook. They're getting the Andrew Tates and the Ben Shapiros are telling them this and the Dave Port noise.

Speaker 1 And this is, again, why it is so important to have a left-leaning ecosystem because nothing, like there's no like mainstream media is not going to say

Speaker 1 Democrats aren't calling you racist and sexist, but like someone needs to show that like that they're not.

Speaker 1 And I don't know how to break that without like you know creating a large ecosystem where people will eventually get some of this content because they're believing things that are just not real.

Speaker 1 It's just not real.

Speaker 1 Trump was looking at fucking AI videos of Portland.

Speaker 1 Trump was looking at a photoshopped picture of knuckle tattoos, convinced that it was real. Like we got a really times new romance.

Speaker 1 We got to baby step this guy into recognizing AI deep fakes.

Speaker 3 One of the things that, like, I agree with you Tim, mainstream media is not doing it, but I think, like, now, like we say, mainstream media is kind of dead.

Speaker 3 And, like, the ecosystem we live in, yeah, let's accept that.

Speaker 3 And, like, that's said all the time in our ecosystem. Like, people on the left who are content created all the fucking time, we're calling them racist and misogynist.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to pretend I don't.

Speaker 3 I know. And that's what I'm saying.
So, like, I think that that's maybe not true. Like, I do think.

Speaker 1 I'm also not going to pretend it's not true. Right.
At the very least, these motherfuckers are standing shoulder to shoulder with racists

Speaker 1 and bigots.

Speaker 3 100%.

Speaker 3 But I think like it's the, you know, coming from the place where I come politically, where I'm sort of in the middle of the timing, not with Trump, but generally, you know, politically Republican.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Why are you so racist? Let's unpack that first. Yeah,

Speaker 3 the challenge I have with this is that whenever I hear those big words, I go, eh, don't go that far unless it's like that you have it.

Speaker 3 If you have something where it's like clearly that's racist, call it racist, but don't just label it racist because it's like you could stand shoulder to shoulder next to it or there's like a way to draw a line.

Speaker 3 The line has to be fucking clear for it to mean something. And we've used it so much that it doesn't and it's turned into an attack for the other side to come back and go, hey, I'm not a racist.

Speaker 3 And it's like, you know what?

Speaker 1 I think that those people who say that, they believe they're not.

Speaker 3 Like they may not see the correlation of standing shoulder to shoulder with a racist or voting for a racist as making them racist because they sit back and go, I don't dislike black people.

Speaker 3 And for them, that's the end of the conversation.

Speaker 1 I agree. They're just not a racist because they support ICE.
They're just, you know, not a racist because all of the things they support. That's that's where I come from.
I actually, I actually agree.

Speaker 1 But I think I agree.

Speaker 1 But I mean, obviously people are calling, like, this, you know, people have called them racist and sexist, but I don't think it's the individual people that is causing them to believe that on a grand scale, though.

Speaker 1 I do believe that's from the large voices who are telling them that. I think it's a mixture, but I agree with you for the most part.
Yeah. And I, but, like, you know, anyways, go ahead.

Speaker 1 I once worked with a guy years ago, and he came up to me,

Speaker 1 two bearded white men and a straight white married men in a red state and he walked up to me and and uh something had prompted it at the at work at the time and he said um

Speaker 1 i feel like it's a four-letter word to be a straight white man in this country anymore and i was like

Speaker 1 does it really like based on what and he was kind of like well

Speaker 1 and i said

Speaker 1 We we we have it pretty good, though, right? Like, like if you really like, I know that you might feel that way about some specific things, but like, really, there, we have it pretty good.

Speaker 1 And he was like, Yeah, I guess that's true. But I guarantee you, I can't figure out what this four-letter word is.

Speaker 1 You know what it is?

Speaker 3 It's, I was watching an episode of a show.

Speaker 1 I feel like a victim, though.

Speaker 3 There's, I was watching this episode of Silicon Valley where this one character is like an objectional piece of shit who was like just barely a billionaire, and then he lost, he went like a $900,000 or $900 million.

Speaker 3 That's what that feels like to me. It's like white, straight white men can't call themselves billionaires anymore, but you still got like 950 million dollars.

Speaker 1 Like, you didn't just become fucking poor, you have a ton of money.

Speaker 3 Maybe you lost a teeny bit of power. Boohoo, you still got a fucking ton.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't understand how that's the thing, right?

Speaker 1 When you're uh used to privilege, equality feels like a fucking loss, right? Right, right, 100%.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. I mean, I say it all the time: like, these people don't realize that they're being racist.
Right. I mean, I

Speaker 2 recognize today at the age of 40 that the views that I used to hold when I was 20 in Iraq were pretty fucking racist.

Speaker 2 But like, if someone called me a racist back then, I would have like, you know, gotten in a fistfight with them.

Speaker 1 Because I truly believe that I did not fucking believe it.

Speaker 1 I mean, I was homophobic as fuck in the 90s. I think everybody was homophobic as fuck in the 90s.
Like we all, we all find our way. And

Speaker 1 there's an expression that I heard years ago that I loved that is you stand for what you tolerate.

Speaker 1 And I think that's something that the left takes upon themselves. Like, no, you actually have to confront injustice.
Otherwise, you're just allowing it to exist. And that's something that

Speaker 1 that's the part of the woke fight that we will never win with Republicans because you can't convince somebody

Speaker 1 to take it upon themselves.

Speaker 1 It's an enormous burden to carry to think I have a personal responsibility to confront injustice wherever I see it. Otherwise, I stand for that injustice.

Speaker 1 That's a high bar to clear every every day.

Speaker 1 But if you approach problems with that, especially when you're from a person

Speaker 1 with a lot of privilege, like frankly, all five of us are,

Speaker 1 it's a big burden to carry, but like you're kind of responsible to carry that anyway.

Speaker 1 And you're not going to be perfect every day, but like do anything, like confront anything ever and you're better off. Well, and there's layers to it, right?

Speaker 1 And I'll give you an example of, you know, the Grand Plattner interview last week and my personal experience where I was pretty proud of what we did.

Speaker 1 And I thought Chris in particular, like asked him a very, very difficult question. And I thought we did well.

Speaker 1 But like I posted this on Blue Sky and I thought, you know, I'm patting myself on the back for doing such a great job.

Speaker 1 And many trans people, you know, came to me very angry about the fact that he had said some anti-trans stuff in the past. And I.
I didn't ask him or we didn't ask him about it.

Speaker 1 And I'll be honest, like I, I did not know that he did.

Speaker 1 But I think it's a, that's part of the challenge in this world where you're trying to move people over is that like, you know, how do you make it okay for everybody?

Speaker 1 And I think the answer is that's very difficult to do. But it's also important for us in the world that have a lot of privilege to acknowledge that.
Because like I said, I was, I was,

Speaker 1 you know, I was very upset about that happening to me because I see myself as somebody who will always defend the trans community.

Speaker 1 But they didn't see it that way. And, you know, I have to also understand that there are, there are groups that aren't going to feel the same way about some of these things.

Speaker 1 And that's some of the difficulty that we face on our side, where we believe that everybody deserves human rights and equality.

Speaker 1 And it's hard when you talk to somebody who in the past at least disputed things that were not equal. And, you know, well, we also.

Speaker 1 Sorry, go ahead. No, go, no, no, no, go ahead.

Speaker 2 So we also assume perfect knowledge, right? That I don't think that anyone was coming after you from the trans community because you platformed someone knowingly.

Speaker 2 They were coming after you because you didn't know. And what that means to

Speaker 2 some folks, to the people who are the targets of this hate, is that you don't care enough to educate yourself.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 And what I, and I totally understand that feeling, but you know, as an as a new dad, I have learned that I don't have enough fucking time to have any idea what the hell is going on, you know, with everything that Graham Plattner is doing.

Speaker 2 Like the Nazi tattoo shit, obviously that's my fucking lane. So I know that people were coming to me about it.

Speaker 2 But until Tim, until you brought up what happened this weekend, I had no idea that he had a history of

Speaker 2 anti-trans comments.

Speaker 2 I just had no clue.

Speaker 1 I mean, I am as chronically online as it gets. I mean, my screen time's through the fucking roof.

Speaker 1 I had done done research on everything he'd said, and I still didn't know anything about the anti-trans stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I, yeah, I don't, I don't,

Speaker 1 I don't know all the details still. I, you know, I have a son, so like I was busy this weekend, but like, I'm certainly going to look into it more.

Speaker 1 But I just, I just think it's, it's, it's a challenging dynamic that we have, and especially as five white guys, you know, maybe, you know, there's more onus on us to do more research to make sure that people are covered if we're going to do this, which I think is totally fair.

Speaker 1 And I think I'm happy to to make a commitment that I'm going to do that,

Speaker 1 especially when it comes to. I think we can speak for all of us and say that's the case.
Oh, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think that we understand that we are privileged and like some of that stuff that may be very painful to others, like in a mountain of things that come out at any one time, we miss that one.

Speaker 1 And I think that's fine. And I'm, you know,

Speaker 1 I didn't like being hit over it, but I think it was a fair point and enough people were upset that, you know, I think it's, it's, it's totally warranted.

Speaker 1 But, you know, I think all we could say is that we're going to try to to do better as we're like going along in this project of trying to move more men left and finding ways to do that without also like enraging uh people who you know feel some threat to some of those those guys who may be coming over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 What I'm curious about is whether the people that are writing us angry messages uh saying that we are Nazis because we platformed Graham Platiner is if they are listeners or if they are just random people from blue skies they're not who are they are not listeners, they're not listeners because because i i just find it so wildly

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 i don't know uh it it it it doesn't make any sense to me at all it's like if you knew anything about anyone on this podcast especially the fucking guy who runs two nonprofits to train people how to literally fucking hunt nazis and get them locked up and sued to write a fucking email to me saying that I am a Nazi is

Speaker 1 you you need to have your head examined if you truly fucking believe that that that is the dumbest thing ever i agree but i would also just say especially for the trans community who i think feels very unsafe right now

Speaker 1 and i mean the overwhelm right it's the overwhelming majority of the people who are making them unsafe are white men now they are conservative white men but they are white men so i i they do right they i mean they do and so that's why in particular like i mean i was upset because i was not seen in their eyes as an ally that they saw me as problematic.

Speaker 1 I'm not mad at them for saying those things because I think that they are rightly scared. And there is all this shit that's going on, especially in red states.

Speaker 1 You know, you can't even tell your class that you're gay in Florida. Yeah.
Like, but you could tell your class you're straight.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, there's there, and there's these bathroom bills, which are just, just meant to target and push into the shadows the most vulnerable groups among us.

Speaker 1 I understand that defensive crutch or crunch, not crouch, crouch, not crutch, crouch, because they're getting it from everybody, right?

Speaker 1 This is one of those things for me where

Speaker 1 the left has gotten a little bit better about this.

Speaker 1 We will backslide into our gatekeeping and the partisan purity and all that shit if we start seeing more success. But right now, we have to understand how many things are simultaneously true,

Speaker 1 that where half of them just shouldn't be true, but you have to accept that they are.

Speaker 1 Like we've built this world on the left where if you like gatekeep language and you say all the right words and you, and you're like, well, that's problematic and like that's that could impose harm on somebody.

Speaker 1 Okay, sure. We create this perfect utopia where we only say the right things and we only talk to the right people and we only platform the right ideas.
And then we get 6%

Speaker 1 of the vote in the next election because we have taken our culture so far from what

Speaker 1 normal, regular average people are talking about that we've completely lost efficacy. And so, yes,

Speaker 1 it is true that trans people should wake up every day and leave their house as absolutely unafraid of the world as Donald Trump leaves his house,

Speaker 1 just feeling like the world is my oyster.

Speaker 1 It is also true that in order to get there, We have to talk to people who maybe six months ago were afraid of trans people, maybe two years ago, maybe maybe 10 years ago.

Speaker 1 We talked about this before, but before the episode, but like everybody watched December Ventura in the 90s and everybody laughed at it.

Speaker 1 And now when you watch it again, you go, holy fuck, this movie is 90% anti-trans humor. And it never occurred to anyone that that was harmful in the 90s.

Speaker 1 Does that mean that we're all terrible people, that we laughed at it back then? No, it just means that times have changed and our opinions have changed.

Speaker 1 If Grant Plattner was transphobic or accidentally made some jokes or intentionally made some jokes. Like all of those things can be true.

Speaker 1 And it's also true that we need Graham Plattner to be a trans ally in the future.

Speaker 1 And if he, and I'm sure he's the kind of person, I know he's the kind of person who will learn from those kinds of mistakes. So

Speaker 1 let him learn from the mistake and let's try to build that other world that we need to exist that doesn't exist yet.

Speaker 3 Exactly. I mean, like we, we just need to give people room to

Speaker 3 figure it out, to understand, right? Like I have people in my family who are very progressive, allies of these communities, but don't truly just don't understand what being trans even is.

Speaker 3 And like they'll say things like that, it's a, you know, but they'll make the mistake of they think it's about your sexual preference. Like that has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 3 It's a totally separate topic. And they're like, what? And like, so they truly just don't get it.
And they're afraid to ask questions. That can't be the standard.

Speaker 3 We have to give a little bit of room for those people who can be allies to come in and be wrong about shit and say things wrong and not be like, hey, you said it wrong. Well, I don't know.

Speaker 3 That's a challenging thing. So like that, I think is the only tweak that needs to to be made.
As long as we make that tweak of allowing people to be curious and make mistakes, we're good.

Speaker 3 We're on the side of right. And I think that that's like, we're close.
We're getting close.

Speaker 1 Well, the thing is, at least in my experience, like, I don't pretend to know everything about trans culture or anything.

Speaker 1 I have never once had a trans person that says, you used the wrong pronoun, fuck you.

Speaker 2 Not once. Nope.

Speaker 1 Because I come at it from a fucking angle of I don't fucking know everything and I don't mean any harm. And I just, I'm here to learn.
Never once had a problem with that.

Speaker 1 The only times I've ever had problems with it is people that get mad on the behalf of others. Yes, correct.
And that's some dumb shit right there.

Speaker 3 100%.

Speaker 1 If a trans person isn't mad at me for fucking up, you shouldn't be mad at me on behalf of them. It's a great point.
We look for ghosts everywhere.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 well, you, you might theoretically create a situation that's hostile to somebody from that community. Like, is the, is that community in the room right now with us?

Speaker 1 Because I don't, not, I'm not feeling it from the community.

Speaker 1 I'm only feeling it from the people who are looking for a theoretical fight and i i think we're we're the one thing that i think is is fair for us to do is that like these we're new to this right like we just started in february and so people don't know us so you know when you have a history of thinking or or experiencing that white men are almost uniformly mean and nasty and transphobic it's sort of on us right to to show that we're not right and then when we do that also then uh trying to give give space for people to come and learn, we'll have a lot more cachet to do that or a lot of built-up trust.

Speaker 1 But I understand why they don't trust a bunch of white guys

Speaker 1 to handle this appropriately.

Speaker 1 But I would love to engage with the trans community and find out how we can be. more helpful because I do want to defend that community.

Speaker 1 It outrages me that we have these bathroom bills and I'll be and I think the sports stuff is completely ridiculous. Fucking surprise.

Speaker 1 And because also none, no kids care about this unless you're Riley Gaines, who came in fifth place and like, I guess, was mad about not coming in fourth place, which is still not placing, but now has managed to turn that into a mega grifty career, which is no surprise.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I want to be seen as an ally. So, you know,

Speaker 1 I would love to have that dialogue. And, you know, I think it would be great for us to have

Speaker 1 some members of the trans community on the show and having a conversation with a bunch of white guys and, you know, what that's like.

Speaker 2 so yeah one shortfall that we have is a lack of an appreciation for specialization

Speaker 1 there

Speaker 2 i am a veteran advocate and i am an anti-fascist investigator right like that is veteran

Speaker 2 is an identity that i chose and anti-fascist investigators is a skill set that i developed over years

Speaker 2 i am

Speaker 2 highly fucking knowledgeable about two topics that the vast majority of Americans don't, don't know anything about.

Speaker 2 And I do the best that I can to educate myself on a broad spectrum of issues, but I can't be perfect on everything. I could try really fucking hard.
And

Speaker 2 I think that one of the frustrations that I personally have is

Speaker 2 that some people...

Speaker 2 And it's not just me, some people don't understand that this person is doing so much good in like this category that no one else is is able to do.

Speaker 2 Like Tim, his, his primary thing used to work at every town is gun violence. Like I don't address gun violence pretty much ever on my social media or otherwise because it's not my specialty.

Speaker 2 But Tim does a fucking great job.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 And I think that our side just doesn't recognize the value of specialties and the fact that

Speaker 2 you can be a jack of all trades and master of none, or you can be a master of something and perhaps not as good at everything

Speaker 2 as your primary specialty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's right.

Speaker 1 But, you know, and I also just to take the side of the trans community or any marginalized community, I think the answer would probably be, well, that's great that you know about guns, but then why are you talking to this guy about this other thing?

Speaker 1 You know, and I think that that I think they are worried about people who are anti-trans being raised up, like if they're being raised up in the, in the Democratic Party, which I'm not saying that's what that is, but like that's an existential threat to that community.

Speaker 1 So I understand.

Speaker 1 Also, the problem with all of this happening on social media, you've got, what, 200 characters tops to make a very nuanced point, which is essentially impossible, which inflames tensions on all sides because then you're talking past each other, which was probably some of what happened last week as well.

Speaker 1 And I just think it's a, it is, I completely agree with you.

Speaker 1 I just think it's a really, it's really difficult to have these conversations on social media, which is why it's also important for us to have shows like this, where, you know, we're 45 minutes into this and we're having, we've been talking about this for 10 or 15 minutes, which I think that, you know, you can get through a lot more and you can really start to understand people better that way.

Speaker 1 And I think that's why this is so important for us to do. But I do understand, you know, because we're not known and there are some other bros out there who are not very helpful.

Speaker 1 And so they see us and think, there's just another five white guys, like, you know, having a podcast, which I understand.

Speaker 1 So I am totally fine with earning the trust and the respect of the community, but I, I, it did take me back, but it's a good reminder as a very privileged white man that we all,

Speaker 1 nobody's perfect and we all have a lot of work to do to get where we ultimately want to be. You know, you know what?

Speaker 2 So circling back to our beginning, I want to ask you guys, this might sound like a joke, but I'm serious. Like

Speaker 2 what would Marjorie Taylor Greene have to do

Speaker 2 before you would have a conversation with her?

Speaker 1 Have a conversation with her.

Speaker 2 A public conversation, a podcast or social media.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'd have a conversation with her right now, but it wouldn't go well.

Speaker 1 The Jewish space lasers. I guess there's kind of a question.
Yeah, they mean

Speaker 1 we're going to be like, I'm not going to talk to her like you're a fucking rational human when six months ago you were saying Jewish space lasers. Like,

Speaker 1 no. Well, I guess the question is, is the goal, to talk to her for podcast ratings? Because I guarantee you a lot of people would watch that.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Or, or a productive conversation in which she could theoretically show us that she has changed.

Speaker 2 Well, so we're saying that I'm not saying this, but everyone else is saying that traditional media is dead.

Speaker 2 Traditional media, Dana Bash of CNN, had a conversation, and the view have had conversations with Marjorie Taylor Greene. She is going to be platformed

Speaker 2 no matter what. So, like,

Speaker 2 is it just a hard no? If, if Marjorie Taylor Green's team reached out to

Speaker 2 find out, is it just a hard no? Or do we bring her on and try to teach her something using our platform?

Speaker 1 Well, we are not doing this live. And so I would absolutely bring her on and set the expectations immediately.

Speaker 1 We're not going to platform misinformation or hate. So if you say stupid shit, we're just going to end the recording and then we'll never publish it.

Speaker 1 If you want to have a fucking grown-up conversation about real things and say things that are true and see if we can find any way to agree on anything at any point, then it'll go live.

Speaker 1 She would never agree to those conditions to be gatekept. By the way, we're going to talk about some of the terrible things you've said.

Speaker 3 Right. I mean, that would be a mandate as well.
I mean, look, I think it also depends on how you look at it.

Speaker 3 Cause like I wasn't on the Platiner episode because I'm Jewish and I didn't want to engage in that conversation, but I was totally happy to have us platform him because I don't think it's a bad thing to platform these people.

Speaker 3 You just have to determine how you want to interact with it, right? So, like, I knew I wouldn't be a helpful part of that conversation because I have a very slanted view of all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 Same with Marjorie Taylor Green. I'd say no to that too for the exact same reason.
But it doesn't mean you shouldn't platform her and ask her those tough questions.

Speaker 3 You really just have to be willing to participate or not. And I'm happy to have the team do it, but I would have no interest personally.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you,

Speaker 1 I would do it.

Speaker 1 I will talk to anybody. Talk to anybody, yeah.
But if Donald Trump wants to come on, he can come on. I don't like,

Speaker 1 I would, well, first of all, the rating, like just from getting attention and getting the word out, like I would do it. But we would also ask him really hard questions.

Speaker 1 He would never do it because it would be a joke.

Speaker 1 Marjorie, and the thing about the platforming thing, which in 2015, I kind of got. you know, it's like, don't give this guy air because you're just going to make him more powerful.

Speaker 1 And, you know, but guess what, guys?

Speaker 1 Like, we, Donald Trump can't be be more powerful than he is right now he's he would he would be platforming us by coming right he's platforming us so he's making us stronger which is partially why i would do it right the same with marjorie taylor green we're not gonna excuse her behavior coming if she wants to if she wants to show that like she's really like oh she's so sorry about like you know the like her like negative contribution to the discourse i would be like what about this what about this right she said stuff right right we'd actually

Speaker 1 be our first it'd be our first ever get fucked with the person long

Speaker 1 as Luke is doing it. The notorious GED.
You know, and you got to sit there and take it.

Speaker 1 I don't,

Speaker 1 I have no problem. I will not engage with a Nick Fuentes.
I am not interested in that. Absolutely not.
Well, because that's performative.

Speaker 1 Right. He's not trying to work for people or fix anything or like allegedly represent anyone.

Speaker 1 He's on a mission. I see him as a clear and present threat.
to our democracy. And I am not doing that.

Speaker 1 But these people who are in elected positions, also like her coming on our show in her district, not going to help her. So like we're not doing them any favors.

Speaker 1 Like I don't think that the, I think the view thing. She's going to get more votes because she comes on.

Speaker 1 But the view thing I thought was a bit, they did not hit her very hard. So like I, that was a joke.
But like if she comes on, she is, she would have to answer questions. So here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hi, Marjorie.

Speaker 1 Tim Fuller just for the Find Out podcast here.

Speaker 1 Sorry. I, I, I abhor every one of your beliefs.
I think you're completely full of shit.

Speaker 1 But if you'd like to come on and talk about it on the Find Out podcast, give me a date and we'll be there.

Speaker 1 I'm like, really, like, if she wants to, you know, she wants to clip that and just publish the just clip that and publish that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This could be our open invitation to Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Speaker 1 It is. Or Marjorie Taylor Brown.
That should be your cold open for the show. I like it.

Speaker 1 It would leave. Yeah.
Put it right at the beginning. It's like a Quentin Tarantino film, like you see the ending first.
It's sort of foreshadowing the end of the thing. Yeah.
Marjorie, like,

Speaker 1 you know, and you've even got somebody, somebody from your state is here. Kind of.
That's true. Or you live there.
I'd be a constituent if you really tried to.

Speaker 1 Yep. You know, maybe.

Speaker 1 Well, I guess you said you wouldn't be on it, though, if she was on because of her stupid anti-Semitic bullshit.

Speaker 3 I actually might be on this because with Graham, I didn't want to attack him for it because it's so like immerky and shit.

Speaker 3 But for her, it's like, I could attack the fuck out of you because you were crazy anti-Semitic and like didn't apologize.

Speaker 1 Oh, I will be honestly more open to that.

Speaker 1 I will have a far easier time attacking a Republican because I it's like you said it's so much more nuanced and this one is quite complicated when you actually dig into it

Speaker 1 but on that and also hey Donnie or Junior whichever one

Speaker 1 if either one of you idiots want to come on too junior's got to pull his head out of that pile of snow wow

Speaker 1 I mean have you seen some have you seen some of his live have you seen some of his lives I'm sure he had just finished up when he went on like oh I saw, I saw that picture of the whole Trump family.

Speaker 1 So, is there actually? Here's a question: Is there anybody? Is there any elected official you wouldn't have on the show? Would not

Speaker 1 in the U.S.

Speaker 1 Because we're not going to do dictatorships. I think that Lauren Bobert would be a good guest.
Oh, I would do that. I would do that too.
I would do that. I would not be able to speak coherently.

Speaker 1 I just don't think she's a good guest. I think Marjorie Taylor Greene could at least like she's she could at least hang, but um, and not in a good way.
I just I think I would just play the TikToks.

Speaker 1 No, I don't. I'm saying, like, I would do it.
I don't want to shoot the shit of Marjorie Taylor Greene is what I'm saying. Well, but

Speaker 1 she is a complete joke, and I have no problem making somebody who is that hateful and that racist look like an idiot.

Speaker 1 So, so, Congresswoman Boebert. Well, if you're listening,

Speaker 1 it's called the Find Out Podcast. We're a political podcast.

Speaker 2 Let's set some guidelines, though. So, who would you not have on?

Speaker 2 But the episode is recorded and it has to go out. If there's misinformation, if there's hate,

Speaker 2 you as a host are responsible for addressing it in real time.

Speaker 2 Is there someone that, like,

Speaker 2 I think Rich was the one who said it, that he would have Marjorie Taylor Greene and then cut the interview off when she spouted misinformation, which is guaranteed to happen.

Speaker 2 So that's that's kind of like saying, I would not interview her.

Speaker 1 So let's let's set our rules in this hypothetical. All right.

Speaker 1 You have, yeah, you have to do it like that. I got one that I won't do.

Speaker 1 Paul Gosar. Hard pass.
No way.

Speaker 1 He is such an open, openly racist person and has spoken at white supremacist events. And his whole entire family hates his guts to the point that every time there's an election,

Speaker 1 they make ads for the Democrat to show how much they hate him. There's no redeeming that.
And like, I'm just not interested. Also, he's just like...
bland and a loser and just an awful human being.

Speaker 1 And he doesn't have sway in the party like some of these other people do. So like I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 Who was the guy in North Carolina? Was it Mark Robinson? Was that his name? Yeah. I wouldn't be.

Speaker 1 I would not have a live conversation with him. Mark referred to himself as a black Nazi.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 No, hard pass. What's he? Not a

Speaker 1 black man. Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 This guy's not a like, if it's Stephen Miller would be one. He's not a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Stephen Miller.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I would have stopped him.

Speaker 1 I would have, no, but because I have no problem just calling him a disgusting disgusting piece of shit to his face.

Speaker 1 And like, I know that stuff eats him up, which is why he's now hiding in an army base because he can't stand the pressure. I would say, look, again,

Speaker 1 we can't make these people more powerful. Like, it's just not possible.
I mean, Stephen Miller is basically running the domestic agenda for the Trump administration. That's true.

Speaker 1 So I would have an opportunity to tell him the fuck offline. Ripping him.
First of all, it would just be an hour of talking over, so people would probably hate it.

Speaker 1 Because he is very good at just talking through the questions. Yes.

Speaker 1 But we could, I know how to mute his mic. I am also good at that.
I would do a 30-second conversation with anyone and I would take all the air time.

Speaker 1 It would be like that scene from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. You know,

Speaker 1 Griswold's rant at the very end. Oh, yeah.
That'd be it. Right there.
And then we're done. See you next time.
Where's the aspirin?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, we'd have to do it. There would have been.
Damn, where's the aspirin? Any one of those.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he does the speech and then he gets the big check. So that's kind of like.
a sign that that's the way you should do it. Fair enough.

Speaker 2 Well, I honestly, to answer my own question, I don't think that I'd be able to participate in any of those interviews because I recognize my limitation in, I am very bad at fact-checking and I am too emotional when someone lies.

Speaker 2 And I don't think that the end result, the interview as published, would be helpful to anyone.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 I don't think that I am skilled enough as an interviewer to engage in that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 You don't want to see Chris mad, guys. Trust me.
No, we can all agree you do not want to see Chris mad.

Speaker 1 Guys,

Speaker 2 you've seen bad Chris more than anyone else.

Speaker 1 I apologize. No, it's okay.

Speaker 3 We're still here.

Speaker 1 But, okay, so

Speaker 1 Marjorie, Lauren, Donald, Chris probably won't be on. RFK.

Speaker 3 I want RFK.

Speaker 1 Oh, I would do that. I would do that in a second.
I got such a fucking lie. I was like, I'm going to go to the weekend on that, though.

Speaker 1 That sound for like an hour in your ears oh i would this is

Speaker 1 so bad oh i would love that because i come from pharmaceutical like the pharmaceutical industry i would just have a field day on this guy we could we could do like a super cut of all of the

Speaker 1 so it just it would end up being like 17 minutes of like a gravel truck in a in a garbage disposal bobby bobby junior

Speaker 1 you're hugging him you're grandpa no i'm pointing i'm pointing i my i can't stop my my hands from moving. It's probably a terrible podcast because I'm like doing this all the time.

Speaker 1 But, um, you know, look, if any

Speaker 1 elected politician wants to come on our show that's named not Paul Gosars, or did we say somebody else? I can't even Mark Robinson. I don't want to,

Speaker 1 so like anymore. He was.
He'll try again.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm sure he will.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's like a community moderator at Pornhub now.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 all his Republican buddies.

Speaker 1 I also just love that he tried to lie his way through that. And Andrew Kaczynski at CNN was like, is this your email address? Right.
He's like, uh, it's like Mark Robinson69 at aol.com.

Speaker 1 Something that he had sent emails to other people from before. And they were like,

Speaker 1 wait a minute. I still want to know how they got that.
I want to know who knew, who knew enough about Mark Robinson that they knew about his

Speaker 1 Nazi slash transporn addiction, that they also had his email address. That's a whole sentence.
We want to know

Speaker 2 there are, there are tools that,

Speaker 2 yeah, that I, I use for this. If I have your name, like I can pretty much find, I can find your social security number.

Speaker 2 Um, and and I'm, I'm not like, that's not what I'm doing for a living, but that's how I find neo-Nazis and like when they bought property and where.

Speaker 2 That's how I find like where they registered their car, what kind of car they drive.

Speaker 1 It, if

Speaker 2 the information that, uh, that data brokers have on us is absolutely tremendous. And literally, all I need is your first and last name, and I can find out virtually anything about you.

Speaker 1 Well, on that note,

Speaker 1 on that note, do you guys want to hawk some merch? Give us your personal information

Speaker 1 to get the extra shirt. Wait, wait, Rich, do you have something?

Speaker 1 There's an important thing. Because better.

Speaker 1 We pivoted off of the trans conversation. I just want to put out an ask to the community community because

Speaker 1 the thing that fixed me is meeting and getting to know a trans person really well.

Speaker 1 Over the course of like a year and a half,

Speaker 1 she's amazing. She broke down crying when she talked about like what it felt like to just exist sometimes and then kind of get back at it, you know? And just,

Speaker 1 I mean, you can't, they don't fake it. Like, none of this is a choice.
They're not, this is just, they're desperately trying to be who they are um

Speaker 1 just meet the person get to know them and so that i think that's the best thing we could do so we we'll do our own research how can we you know there are

Speaker 1 probably a handful of of trans advocates who are willing to go and put themselves out there um

Speaker 1 we will find those people but also if there's somebody that people that our listeners uh who our listeners listen to um or they have a youtube channel or instagram reels or whatever um tell us who that that person is and we will gleefully invite them on the show because just normalizing what used to be considered weird and taboo is just the fastest way to just snuff it out

Speaker 1 so that everybody's just like, oh, well,

Speaker 1 maybe I'm just cooking up a fantasy in my head about how scary this all is.

Speaker 1 So anyway, I just wanted to throw that out. No, no, no.
That's definitely a good point. So

Speaker 1 now we're going to hawk some merch. Now we're going to hawks immersion.
Carl real hard times here. Guys, it's cold outside.
That's true. It's really cold.
Today it was like 36 when I woke up.

Speaker 1 Not good. But you know what? Where are you going with this, Tim? I've got my Find Out hoodie.

Speaker 1 This one.

Speaker 1 We also have faces on the sweatshirt, right?

Speaker 1 The five faces.

Speaker 1 Luke has a lovely white shirt on. Yes, with a tree on it.
With a tree on it. He's doing his Newsome on the Find Out show

Speaker 1 shirt opening. Chris has the black and yellow

Speaker 1 tree. And I actually think underneath this, because I just am a shameless promoter everywhere we go.
Good lord.

Speaker 1 I have the Isaac Newton on. So

Speaker 1 you can get these. You're like the singer who wears the shirt for his own band on stage while performing his own music.
It's like a little bit masturbatory. Always be marketing.
Always be marketing.

Speaker 1 It's a little bit of a play on Alec Baldwin's thing. But yeah, it's all Union Made, Made in America.

Speaker 1 It's super comfy and you help support the show and you can get them at findoutpodcast.com you can also subscribe as a as a member at our sub stack at findout podcast dot substack.com uh guys thank you very much and on thursday we are actually going to be back with uh harry dunn who was one of the police officers involved uh in trying to uh contain the january 6th i'm going to call it coup attempt because that's what it was and so we're going to insurrection so we're going to hear from him a little bit about that and and what he's up to now.

Speaker 1 So, until then, guys, have a great week, and we'll be back on Thursday.