FH Mini 132 - Stu Brings Down the Hammer

Hey, it's me, Stuart Wellington, one of the hosts of the Flop House Podcast.

And you are listening to the Flop House Podcast.

And this is not a main episode, this is a Flophouse podcast mini-episode.

That's right.

On the off weeks, instead of watching a bad movie and talking about it, we kind of do whatever we want.

And today, I'm in the driver's seat.

That means the lore master has returned.

I shall be sharing one of my passions with my co-hosts.

Introduce themselves now.

Dan McCoy.

Elliot Kalen, very nervous.

I am introducing one of my passions to my co-hosts, and that passion is Warhammer 40,000, or as we fans of Warhammer call it, whammer.

So guys, we're going to be talking about whammer 40k.

I don't know enough to know if that's a joke or if that's actually what Warhammer fans call it.

So

you're you're going to have to trust me, I think.

So in order to, I've explained a little bit about Whammer 40K to them in the past, but what we're going to do today is I had them watch a episode of a television program on the Amazon Prime Network.

It's a program called Secret Level.

This is an anthology animated show where they are, each episode is about a different video game or gamers or things like that.

And each one has a different theme.

And there is the fifth episode in the series is themed around Warhammer.

It is titled Warhammer 40,000.

Yep.

Well, the title is Warhammer 40,000 colon.

And they shall know no fear.

Since this was a relatively short thing, I feel like this would be an interesting way to introduce my two buddies to a thing that I love.

And we're going to see how it goes.

So before we get into this, guys, did you have any background with other than me briefly explaining it

on a what hour and a half long podcast?

Do you have any understanding of Warhammer 40,000?

And at least one live show presentation also, yeah.

Stuart, I can say that even after

you explained it on a previous thing and a presentation, I have no understanding of what Warhammer is other than a thing that is played with little figurines and sort of a strategy game thing.

I mean, like, it's, it's, it kind of exists in the nether realms between, you know, like a

tabletop game and like a

role-playing thing.

Kind of.

That's pretty close.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And as you can see, the uh, and also because this is a this show, Secret Levels, all about video games, there has also been a number of video game adaptations of Warhammer.

So, Elliot, you answer the question.

What's your familiarity level?

I've never played it.

I know it partly because you talk about it.

I know a little bit, very, a tiny amount of the basic concept and premise and lore.

And it's the kind of thing that I feel like I have enjoyed more as a thing that I only know little bits about

rather than a thing I really immerse myself in.

Because I know there's a

there's a certain aspect of it that is, as they say in Warhammer itself, in this show, and I know is the most important aspect of Warhammer, that it's in the grim, dark world of the future.

And it gets a little, I think in general, the more I, the deeper I try to delve into it, the grimmer it gets in a way that I find not fun.

And let's also say, I mean, since you said specifically about like video games, this show, Secret Levels, is about various video games.

Secret Levels, sorry.

I had not watched it.

We discovered that an old acquaintance of Elliott and mine, J.T.

Petty, a nice, nice guy.

He directed our friend and former guest on the podcast, Eric Marzak, in the movie Sandman, which is a creepy fake documentary horror horror movie.

Yeah.

Glad to see him getting work, but I had not watched any of this show because also in video games, like I kind of tapped out around the Super Nintendo.

I do have a Switch, but mostly just to like continue

playing Mario games,

whatever new Mario game comes out.

And that's basically it.

Elliot, you have two young boys.

Are they super hardcore gamers yet?

Are they big video gamers?

They certainly want to be.

We've held the line on not having a video game system in the house, but we recently, recently they've been really getting into Minecraft, which, you know, which kids love.

And they saw the movie and were inspired.

Yes.

I got to know what this chicken jockey is.

They were so excited.

I mean, they knew a little bit before they saw the movie, but the movie only fed that appetite more and made them hungry for more.

But yeah, we don't have a lot of video games in our house.

I was a big video game player when I was a kid.

I was a big Nintendo guy, but I just don't have the time in my life these days, which is sad, really.

I hear friends of mine and they're like, oh, yeah, I just played through this game and now I'm playing through it again to all the extra stuff.

And I'm like, huh, I wish I had time for

hobbies.

Like, I wish I had time for this is, and this is, I dug my own grave when it comes to my schedule, so I'm not complaining about that.

But yeah, so I'm outside the video game mainstream and my kids are not yet into it, but they really want to be in it.

They want to be in that.

Someday, someday they'll do what Nintendo.

Wait, no, that's Genesis.

Genesis does what Nintendo's.

I was a Genesis guy growing up.

I just remember Genesis.

It was

the next level, right?

Or whatever it was.

Was it Genesis or which one said you are not ready?

And that was their slogan.

I don't remember, Dan.

Do you remember?

I know that now you're playing with power when you have the power glove, which is a lie because it barely works.

It's actually not a very great accessory.

Yeah.

Oh, it could have been.

It could have been something special.

Yeah.

That and the gyro bot.

Okay.

So

before we get into the plot, what there is in this episode,

this is a tie-in to the space, I think, Space Marine and Space Marine 2 video games.

Okay.

Space Marine 2 just kind of recently came out, which feature the main

protagonist of those games is

Lieutenant Titus, who is featured in

this little character of Titus from the Unbreakable Kimishmit.

Yeah.

I thought it was,

yeah, the character Titus, not the actor.

Not the actor.

Or Christopher Titus, the comedian.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Okay, so

as we said, in this,

Warhammer 40,000 takes place in the grim darkness of the far future, 40,000 years in the future, okay?

And we follow a,

to give a quick summary,

we follow a squad of Adeptus Astartes Ultramarine Blade Guard veterans.

Oh, they're blue.

As they go...

Yep, you're a double-dumpy, dumb die.

As they are sent down on a mission to a planet that is held by the forces of chaos, and

they have have to identify and destroy a relic before,

in turn, they themselves are going to most likely die.

They believe going on this mission is a suicide mission.

Says at the beginning, mortality, 100%.

Uh-huh.

So,

the actual episode begins.

We get a voiceover narrative from

the leader of this Blade Guard regiment, or this Blade Guard unit, Sergeant Metoris,

who is explaining a little bit about how a child, a human child,

the psychological and physical training and changes that go into making them into a space marine soldier, a member of the Adeptus of Stardes.

Were you super excited about this idea, guys?

What do you think of the art?

There's explaining.

I don't remember any plot to this thing.

At the beginning, he talks about how, like, you know,

you make them obedient, you break them, but what if you took a child who never knew fear?

That's the thing.

if you what could they be capable of if they were made into one of these giant monster marines wearing armor that is unstoppable and they can i will have to say that having no particular context for warhammer uh 4k uh 40k 40k it like warhammer 4k is 36 000 years cool i took i took a i took a bunch of k's off uh i'm like this this seems like 4k to me um too many k's

i just like without the here's my first note do you need all the k's Yeah.

It's a lot of K's.

I mean, all the budgets are going to go to that.

Like, without any context, I'm sure that fans love like that there's no hand holding.

Me, I was like, what the fuck is going on?

Especially because you call this Grim Dark.

It might have been Grim.

I can't tell because it was so goddamn dark.

I could not see any fucking thing that was going on.

This goddamn dark.

Were you watching it on your laptop on the beach, Dan?

I will say, I did not watch it on like

our like nice TV.

I was watching it on a computer monitor that does not get as bright, but I would argue that,

you know, maybe test it out on various screens.

And if it's impossible to see on anything but the highest quality screen,

send it back to the drawing board.

Were you watching this on

your laptop while doing dishes?

No, I was watching it on an iPad while eating, while eating lunch.

So I was paying full attention to it.

It was dark, but I knew that I was not giving it the best opportunity to shine.

But I found I did differently.

It wasn't until the credits that I realized that these characters had names and were like characters.

I thought they were just kind of generic Uzits.

I didn't, it was very unclear to me.

And by the end of it, it was like, okay, this is about the relationship between this guy and his protege, like the kid he trained who is now a space marine and is reaching the next level of...

strength and confidence and power.

But I didn't get that relationship until the very end of the end of the thing.

Like it was, it was, I was like, like, okay, oh, I guess I was supposed to be tracking the relationship between these characters because so much of it is just guys in armor killing the shit out of randos and then blowing things up.

Yeah, I'm only getting it now that you are explaining it back to me.

So we,

after this brief introduction, we are then on a Space Marine battle barge where the Sergeant Matoris is getting the mission information that's come through this like kind of one of the one of the themes of the human empire in warhammer is that everything is like both a mix of high fantasy like like fantastical and also like old-timey and kind of like junky like they have latched on to technology and they're just trying to keep the same technology even if it's like breaking and looks kind of a little bit crappy and a little bit like and very religious like they uh space marines treat the act of war and preparing for war very religiously.

So there's these like little guys hanging around that are like, you know, wearing like monks' robes and they're like putting the armor on the sergeant.

And then he and the rest of his squad, after all being geared up, they climb aboard a drop pod, which is like a giant bullet, which is then fired at the planet and it lands and then they come stomping out.

That was pretty cool, right?

They're in like a giant flying bullet, right?

Yeah, I mean, these are all hearing you describe it.

And when you've described the concepts and the past store, each time you've described it, I've been like, this sounds pretty cool.

These sound really fun and like neat.

And the amount of work that's gone into figuring out every detail of it, they don't just take a drop ship down.

They take, they're shot down because all this world knows is war.

All this universe knows is war.

So everything has a war aspect to it.

Even their vehicle is a bullet.

There's something kind of like cool and coherent about that.

But seeing it, I'm like, oh, kind of unrelenting.

Kind of unrelenting and wondering.

It is.

Yeah.

Today, yeah, there's not a lot of joy.

Unless you're talking about battle joy.

But even then, they're so, they do not have the, when I think battle joy, I think of like a Viking berserker, where there's a certain amount of like, ha ha, we shall swim in blood today and we may die, but we may die gloriously.

Whereas these characters are so

are so kind of emotionless, so joyless, even in the fight that I was like, oh, so nobody's liking this.

Like, no, even the people, even the characters are not liking what they're doing, you know?

Yeah, I feel like there were like maybe 30 words spoken in this episode.

Like, I, I, I, I appreciate trying to tell a story visually, but if you're going to do that, maybe turn some goddamn lights lights on lights on.

Yeah.

Yeah, this old man, Dan, he has trouble with his eyes.

His eyes can't see him so well.

And this is something that I think we'll talk about as we go further into the story, but I have to mention it now so I don't forget.

If you see like these invincible bruiser guys in armor who are totally joyless and they are and they are just slicing their way through unarmored humans, to me, those are the villains.

Like, and maybe that's the way it's supposed to be.

Maybe I'm not picking up on the kind of like British kind of like dark humor of this kind of, this Judge Dredd type stuff that I've seen in British comics.

But here, it just felt like I obviously cannot sympathize with these guys because they are never in danger until the very end, I guess.

And it's just evil guys mowing their way through

people in masks and in jeeps and humvees.

Yeah,

I think you touch on a thing that the Warhammer intellectual property has kind of struggled with translating outside of the game is that initially, you know, it was very 2000 AD, like tongue-in-cheek, dark humor.

Like there's a dark humor to the, like the grimness of this future for humanity and these

effectively like emotional warrior, emotionless warrior monk superhuman soldiers whose act of worship is battle.

Yeah.

Like there's something very...

There was something very tongue-in-cheek initially, but as time has gone on.

I feel like in British, British fantasy science fiction stuff, there's a lot of over-the-topness where you're supposed to get this is so over-the-top that there's an element of irony to it.

Yeah.

Yes.

And but as time has gone on, that line has blurred.

Also, I think translating it to American audiences, which is the largest consumer of Warhammer stuff at this point and Europe.

And until recently, the best country in the world.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the

So as it as time has gone on and they have

like the elements of humor have kind of been shaved off a little bit and it's been flattened out so it isn't quite as

it isn't intended to be quite as silly as it actually kind of it is when you step back and look at it as an adult yeah i think the the uh it reminds me of um the

a couple different i mean one is the way that judge dread has been handled where like when you read those british comics clearly like judge this this judge dread is not a good thing like if any society that has judge dredd in it is a failed society you know and you're supposed to take that for granted but if you make a movie of it it's like well of course he's a hero and he's the he's just the toughest cop in the world.

And that's why he's so cool.

He's the only one who can bring law to the to the super blocks.

Okay.

So these Space Marine veterans arrive.

There's four of them.

They're fully equipped in armor.

They're carrying massive shields as well as high-powered ranged weaponry.

And Lieutenant Titus

is dragging along, has a chain, and he is dragging a large sarcophagus along with him.

That was the one element that was kind of funny to me that I liked was the idea that they've got to keep dragging this thing no matter what they're doing.

And every now and then, just a reminder of like, and they're going to pull this thing behind them.

Yeah, well, it's a sign of like the, there's a regular element of space marine stuff where it's like, there's a sign, there's like an element of duty.

Like it's a duty and worship.

And they

attract the attention of a bunch of humanoid worshipers of the ruinous powers, the gods of chaos, who are, I would argue, the primary antagonist in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

Now, I have told you guys multiple times, so this will really upset me if you don't remember.

Can you tell me the names of the four gods of chaos?

Of course, sure.

There's Glympus,

the god of where'd my keys go?

There's Porpus, the god of the waters.

He tweaks a lot, yeah.

Yeah, there's Shelfis, the god of the chaos of poorly organized stores.

You can't find what you're looking for.

And there's also Krimpus, which is like Krampus, but his hair is crimped.

Yep.

And Dan, can you name the greater demons of each of those four chaos gods?

Well,

was Chaos the in Get Smart?

Was that the organization?

Yeah, I believe it was.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was a

Don Adams.

And the powerful greater demon.

And Barbara Felden.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thank you for reminding me who Agent 99 was.

I couldn't remember.

And of course, Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't believe Carl Reiner was involved in the show, but Mel Brooks was.

I don't think you, and Buck Henry.

Buck Henry was the.

Maybe I was imagining.

Maybe I was mixing them up.

That was the one where Buck Henry was always like, I created that show.

Not Mel Brooks.

So these.

Did we get it right, Stu?

You nailed it.

No question.

This was another, this is a confusion.

At a certain point, I'm like, okay, they're on this planet.

These guys who keep just showing up and to get killed must be their opponents.

But the idea that they were worshippers of a chaos god or something,

that didn't come through to me.

Yeah, humanoid cultists of the forces of chaos so they they arrive and they're very mad maxi right they're uh mad maxi pad yeah and they

they uh that was a short-lived tie-in to the original movies yeah yeah didn't didn't sell super well um the uh so they they attack these four space marines these four space marines are horribly outnumbered seems like they're in trouble no what happens elliot they just kill all of them they just mow their way through these guys they're chopping them in half they're blowing them up they're shooting shooting them with big guns

Like, motorcycles are ramming into these armored giants only to explode or go fly.

I wish I had seen this.

This sounds really cool.

Yeah, their shields are strong enough that like a tank type or some kind of mounted artillery gun is fired at them.

And they just, it, it just bounces off their shield.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a, it's a tank with a, like a heavy gatling weapon.

Uh, and the, the shells are bouncing off their shields.

There's a lot of chopping people in half or like stabbing a, stabbing a, a, like a sword straight through somebody's body, impounding them on it.

Doesn't someone's head get

just exploded with a headbutt or something like that?

I can't remember.

Exploded with a headbutt.

One guy's head gets crushed under a Space Marine's armored gauntlet.

Yes.

And

they are both,

despite their size, they are very fast and they're very efficient.

Not a lot of additional movement.

Yes,

despite the fact that they're wearing this enormous bulky armor, they move like John Wick.

You know, it's just, yeah, no, no wasted movement.

And that is they're always where they need to be.

Yeah.

I will say that this is fairly accurate to the background and lore.

These space marines are faster than you would

expect, both because of their training,

as well as the

accentuators and servos in their Serumite powered armor.

Yep.

But this is one of those where the violence is very gruesome and over the top, but not so far that it becomes ludicrous.

It always looked to me like it was supposed to be cool.

And I kind of of wish if it was they're like mashing people up in their hands by the dozens, you know, or they're like, you, you run your sword through four guys at the same time, you know, like that, that's the kind of stuff where it might have, for me, at least, might have started getting to that level of like, oh, okay, this is tongue-in-cheek, or like, I'm not supposed to take this straight.

Yeah.

The, uh, and then, of course, uh, after killing all these guys, uh, the sergeant hands Titus the chain to the sarcophagus, sarcophagus, so he has to keep dragging it.

Duty is not over.

Only, as they say in Warhammer, only in death does duty end.

Duty, D-U-T-Y, not D-O-O-T-Y.

I mean, in death, duty also ends.

I mean, like, there's one big one.

There's the one big one in death.

Actually, in death, you can get their biggest one yet.

Yeah.

But then at the end.

Is it known as being the biggest, biggest one?

I guess it was the biggest one.

You're voiding everything.

Everything.

Well, because that's the uneaten food in your body trying to get out so it can find a new host.

So all of it's coming right out.

Yeah.

I've only cleaned up one death turd in my life, and it was not necessarily the largest but oh boy howdy it did not smell good i'm sure it smells bad so stuart you know what the name of your band is going to be death turd

uh yeah and uh it's uh you know like a dance pop type situation yeah yeah yeah interesting you're trying to do you're trying to do what for america what what k-pop has been doing for the rest of the world which is

spring fun and kind of big emotions yeah yeah dance routines yeah yeah a lot of like uh like a lot of like hand hearts yes yes but you do hand turds like what you do like kind of a more more of a more of a poop shape with your body.

Show me your hand.

Show me with your hands what your turds look like, Elliot.

Yeah,

immaculately formed, you know, just what you want them to be.

You're a lucky middle-aged man.

I said, you're a lucky middle-aged man then.

Yeah, yeah, no.

It's one of the things I excel at.

Yeah.

Elliot high-fiber Caelin.

So in the grim poop world of the future, only the elites have the best turds.

That's a different chaos god there.

Or pooper 4000.

Or do Space Marines then slide down?

Or Pooper 40-year-old thousand?

That's what it is, yeah.

The Space Marines then have to slide down what seems to be like a massive chasm.

Massive chasm is another great name for a band.

It's great, right?

The Chasm is a great death metal band.

And for a button.

It's not a great name for a butt.

Massive Chasm magazine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Massive chasms with massive chasms.

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Let's get back to Warhammer, guys.

So the Space Marines find themselves in a lightless cavern that has tiled, like stone-tiled floors.

There's no dialogue through all of this.

It's entirely visual fighting stuff.

There's no talking.

Yeah, no communication.

The only communication is through,

I guess, body movement.

And the Space Marines are ambushed by a squad of mutant creatures.

Just, can you describe these creatures?

I'm not going to ask Dan because he couldn't see it.

Kelly, can you describe it?

That was funny to me when you said lightless chasm.

I'm like, oh, that was different from.

Were there more than one of these?

I thought there was just the one.

This was so they got ambushed by a group of like bird-like mutants referred known in lore as Zangor,

as they are worshippers of the chaos god Zinch, the trickster, lord of deceit.

And that's where the space marines slaughter them, and their blood or icker splatters everywhere in like a neon blue, right?

Oh, that's right.

Because you know what?

I totally forgot this part.

So I thought about afterwards when the Space Marines seem to have met their match.

That's what I was thinking.

I don't even remember these characters at all.

I apologize.

So that's fine.

So the Space Marines dispatch these foes again pretty handily and they make it to this large, almost cathedral-like structure, deep underground, it seems.

There's a golden statue inside of it.

There's a huge statue.

This is clearly their target.

Upon arrival, before they try to destroy the statue, they finally open up this sarcophagus.

Can you describe what's inside, Elliot?

Inside, there's just a dude.

There's a monk dude, and

he's going to murmur some prayers in order to create what, like a shield for them, a kind of force field barrier for for them uh to protect them against the unholy power of this of this chaos statue is this a non-moving shields is that like why do you use that

yeah because i was like why does this have to wait until this point

this is why they this is this is when they're i assume at their it's a it's a spiritual shield this is this is for a uh this is a thing this is to protect them from the from the occult powers rather than from i see the guys on trucks with guns which they are totally good at you know i'm wondering why he has to be dragged in a sarcophagus i mean obviously

to protect him, but also to protect him.

Well, obviously, protect him, but if he had shield powers, I'm saying, like, couldn't he have just.

But again, his shield power is only for the mystical properties, which is how he gets killed so totally easily.

No, I just this is yeah, this is a uh this is a sanctioned psyker in the war in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

Uh, there are human humans and other races that have uh are blessed by being touched by the warp, so they have access to psychic abilities.

Ah, And does he have, are his eyes covered, right?

Yes.

He has like a steel-like

covering over his eyes.

Because he reminds me a lot of the character.

I think his name is Eggplant Man from Akira, from the comic books, who has, his eyes are covered and he has an eye drawn on his forehead.

And he's the guy who's always like, I can see over there.

They're over there.

And he's just a real dude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Similarly, he has psychic powers.

Yeah.

And he's like, there's this element of like techno-arcane type machinery.

And yep, as he is chanting an imperial prayer,

it creates a shield around them and the Space Marines begin attacking this massive statue.

The statue has a defense mechanism.

It releases a mutated

chaos demon sorcerer character that flits about on these bone wings and it uses its powers to conjure up this like spear of dark energy that it rams through the psyker and then gives the uh and that that moment, that shield is gone, and it then is able to use its massive power to stop time and attack the space marines one by one.

And it does it, because so its face kind of unfolds, you know, to open it, to reveal this eye, and then it's getting, like, getting into their minds, right, and kind of destroying them from psychically.

It opens up, its face unfolds to this singular, a singular, massive eye with a pupil down, like split down the center, and then that opens again to form like a weird mouth.

Yeah.

What do you think of the design of that?

I mean, that's there's that's undeniably cool.

This, this whole character, super cool.

I don't love the bone wings too much and the way he kind of like struts over to do it.

I feel like this is one of those worlds where every character is always strutting, like I'm super tough.

And I get my fill of that, but

this is a great monster design.

I love any monster that has no eyes, but then its face opens up, and there's an eye, and then the face opens, the eye opens up for a mouth with two.

Extra, extra, extra eyes.

I love that stuff.

Dan, you love this stuff.

were you were all over you could do a montage of the dubious and confused looks that i am

like i i i gotta re-watch this thing i guess on like yeah

tv this time because like

i

thought it was absolutely madness how little i could see in i mean it is it is the madness of the far future when there's only war yeah but i've this i mean one thing so a reason that i wish i could get onto the warhammer wavelength a little more is i do like a lot of their monster designs like yeah, they have great monster and creature designs, and this one looks really cool.

Um, and it's cool that finally, the ultramarines or whatever they're called, uh, yes, they are ultramarines, sons of ultramar, have uh, have met their psions, have seemingly met their match of Rubute Goulaman, their primer.

Okay, uh, that was just, I, you could just be making it up, it's possible.

Um, and the but they finally something can hurt them because it's not trying to hurt them physically, but you know, psychically, you know, psionically.

Yeah, so it, uh, it

their their strength, their strength of arms is of no use as this sorcerer is able to get into their minds.

And the uh, and one by one, it is picking them out and taking them into this like mental uh vortex where they are forced to face uh their darkest fears or shortcomings.

And one by one, they are collapsing

until it finally uh it takes out the sergeant.

The sergeant's fear in this case is that he has not trained his, uh, that in somewhere in the process, his uh, his protege titus will be turned to chaos and in that vision it that's what defeats him so that's why i have to admit i have to admit i did not understand any of that when i was watching it i didn't i didn't quite follow what was going on in it but i knew it was something bad that the uh the sorcerer then attempts the same maneuver on titus but we realize titus was the youth in the beginning who has never known fear and so this this sorcerer's uh psychic attack is worthless and is uh his uh the illusion he has created created is shattered as Titus destroys his staff and then cuts him right down the middle, splitting him in half.

The kind of thing that you wonder why none of the Marines did.

I guess time was stopped.

That's why.

Because

that's why.

Because I was like, why didn't Titus do this when he was attacking all the others?

Like, he could have just walked up to him and killed him.

I guess time was stopped is what you're saying.

I don't think I fully understood that.

Yeah.

So

the mission has been completed.

They knew that

it was going to be a suicide mission.

Their efforts has drawn the attention of what appears to be a massive army of chaos cultists.

Titus drags his sergeant out

of the temple, and the sergeant's like, our job's done here.

And Titus is like, no, no, no.

And he runs off to fight this massive army of chaos cultists, seemingly by himself.

And knowing that he is in the video game, he's going to survive, guys.

Unless this takes place after the video game.

Unless this takes place after.

Yeah, this is.

Unless there's going going to be a third space marine game where you play Titus, in which case, it would have to take place after that.

Yeah, that's true.

Um, so

guys,

that was our trip through Warhammer 40,000.

Do you feel like you know more about Warhammer now than you did before?

I feel like every time you say anything new about Warhammer, like I understand less.

Like, a piece of my brain falls out of my ear every time

this happens.

I don't,

it's just certain things in this world were not meant for me to the degree that like

my body rejects them.

Elliot?

I don't know if I necessarily understand more about Warhammer.

I guess now I know there's like characters.

Like there's characters, there's like named characters.

It's not just like Grimmelmob, the

Grimmelmob, the Defenestrator, and stuff like that, you know?

Yeah, I feel like it would take, it would be good for the USA network because characters are welcome in Warhammer.

I mean, they've been trying to make a Warhammer show for a long time.

They made a deal with Amazon.

Yeah.

So you know that there's a little bit of background in characters.

Now,

having seen this episode, how inclined are you to look up more Warhammer content?

I mean, I guess I'm inclined to, again, go back and try and watch this again to see if like

it was,

you know, see how different it looks.

I feel like, Dan, you need to go back and watch it again.

And then if it still looks the same, I think you need to see your optometrist.

Probably.

That's true.

Yeah.

I am, I am not particularly inclined.

Again, I found it, I found the,

as much as I like the idea of the grim, dark world of the future, actually spending time in that world, I find, I find a little, not for me, a little unpleasant, you know, especially if I, I think I, maybe if I lived in a real world that felt less grim, I would be able to take more joy in being in a over-the-top, depressing kind of like dark world of war, you know.

Who at the beginning of this said that I have a switch mostly to keep up with the further adventures of Mario?

I like happy light.

Yeah, clearly.

Yeah, I mean, uh, I think all these things are fair.

And I think it hurts, it's, and this shouldn't hurt my enjoyment of it, but it does hurt my enjoyment of it, knowing that there are fans out there who are not engaging with it on an ironic level, but think that when they're watching this show, they're like, Yeah, fuck yeah.

Look at them, you know, just slice their way through those guys.

Shit.

Oh, they're so tough.

Man, oh, they don't know.

He doesn't know fear.

Oh, God.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Like, that's,

it hurts me to know that there's people watching it who are just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, yeah, but does that affect your

opinion of, you know, other things that are just taken on the most surface of values?

Like the legions of people who watch Fight Club and they're like, yeah, I should start a fucking Fight Club.

I mean, it does, honestly.

I think the the difference is there's this, like, I do have that Fight Club in particular, I have, I have that issue with, but there's, I think, um, there are certain things that I got into at a young enough age or early enough that I was able, like Star Wars, for instance.

Like, I don't love a lot of Star Wars fans, but I got into it on my own terms.

And I feel like now it's Warhammer, it's, I know too much about, about some of the fan base to, to get into it just on my own terms and not think about that.

But that's on me.

That's on me.

That's not on the, on the work itself, you know.

Okay.

And then before we wrap up, I had a question from listeners this is this is often asked but uh i think it's very fitting with the uh the upcoming release of the new edition of the horus heresy uh warhammer 30k game where we you get

30k 10 000 years before the events of warhammer 40 000 so this is

when they're strife when they were babies This is the age, in a way, this is the age of darkness where the Space Marine legions engaged in a massive civil war that nearly tore the universe apart wow my question the question that they want to know is guys which of the 20 space marine legions are you going to pick up and play for warhammer 30 000 and why

uh probably the baseball furies baseball furies that's actually a pretty good one i was i was gonna think that that was your choice is it because you uh like their primarch the most what was the name of the primark again of the baseball furies That has like the t-shirts in it?

Yeah.

Why Baseball Furies, Dan?

You know, they just got some Elan, some style.

Yeah, that's Verve.

Okay.

Yeah.

Baseball.

Okay, and that's the Baseball Furies are firmly on the side of chaos under War Master Horus fighting against the God Emperor of Mankind.

Elliot.

Which Space Marine Legion are you going to pick?

I guess I'm going to have to go with the Cushkins.

They're Kushballs with faces and hands.

And there's just the one that's the two eyes on Song.

Super soldiers, yes.

Yeah, exactly.

They're, I guess, genetically manipulated humans or humanoids that have become kind of like fuzzy ball shapes.

And I think they bounce around.

And I think that that'll be a fun power to play.

Oh, they're kind of like the Mad Balls.

Yes, they're very like Mad Balls.

Unfortunately, their mutation...

singled them out as being tainted by the warp and it was a horrible what happened to their home planet at the hands of it, seems like the Imperial Fists wiped out their home planet.

That's terrible.

They destroyed Kushwars.

Yeah, sons of Rogal Dorn.

Always hardline Imperialists.

Well, that's good to know.

I think that's,

I hope that answers our listeners' questions.

Of course,

I am the most duplicitous and dubious of the flopsters.

So that would mean I'm playing Alpha Legion, baby, Alfarius, and Omegon, twin Primarchs.

Uh-oh, that's why I'm doing it because I like two Primarchs for the price of one.

But what is the so what is the difference between two Primarchs or one Primarch?

Just more of them?

Yeah, basically double Parks.

They're also smaller.

Okay.

See, the Alpha Legion Primarchs are smaller so they can kind of blend in with the rest of their Legion because the Alpha Legion, they're being tricksters.

They all, the true identity of who their Primarch is, Alfarius, is shrouded in mystery.

Uh-oh, I like a mystery.

But that's for the next time when I do an entire mini where I explain the Alpha Legion to my two friends.

Okay, so this was Stuart explain Stuart as his role of the loremaster, tries to share one of his many passions with Dan and Elliott to, let's say, mixed results.

Well, I enjoy your enthusiasm.

Thank you.

That's what's important is encourage people's enthusiasm as long as nobody's getting hurt.

Yeah.

This is a mini episode of the Flop House Podcast.

Full episodes are every other week where we watch a bad movie and talk about it.

This episode is produced by Alexander Smith, who goes by Howl Daughty on the internet.

You should check him out.

He does all kinds of great things on Twitch, Bandcamp, et cetera.

For the Flophouse, I've been Stuart Wellington.

I've been Dan McCoy.

I'm Alpha Primarchorious Elliott Kalen.

Oh, full title.

I love it.

Okay.

Bye.

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