FH Mini 120 - Coming Attractions in 2025

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This time, it's personal.

Hey, everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse.

I'm Dan McCoy.

I'm Stuart Wellington.

I'm Elliot Kalen, and I'm a robot for some reason.

Oh, that's cool.

Well, you know, we're trying out something different here.

Normally, we have Elliot as a human, but this time we have a robot Elliot because he doesn't need money.

Oh, what's that mean?

AI Elliot.

AI Elliot is a thousand times more efficient than Flesh Elliot.

But don't look at his hands.

But he doesn't.

Don't look at my six-fingered hands.

And of course, I cannot come up with original ideas, but can only repackage things that have been said by Elliot before in the past.

R-O-C-K in the USA beepoop.

And also, of course, it takes one full rainforest for one minute of Robot Elliot.

But I think that's

you weren't using that rainforest to begin with.

Hey, this is.

I'm just kidding.

It's me.

Oh, thank God.

Oh, bummer.

Wow.

Different reactions.

Yeah, a little rainbow of responses.

Sure.

Of course, the Flophouse is often a podcast where we watch a bad movie and then we talk about it.

It's always a podcast.

Oh, never mind.

Yeah.

But then on every other week, we do these...

improperly named many mini episodes.

They're often very long.

And we do something different.

And in this case, I am leading the charge.

This episode comes after Stewart's Mini

that when we're recording this, just got released, where he looked back on the films of 2024 in sort of a game form.

And of course, as this will be coming out in the new year, I will be looking forward in my many.

about the movies that are scheduled to be released in 2025.

Okay, Elliot's going to crush this one.

Unlike last year.

LA struggled a little bit.

Oh, yeah.

If I didn't get to the movie as much this year, I'm certainly very aware of what's coming out next year.

This is less of a game and more of a bit of a discussion.

Is it just

a discussion of the billboards in LA that talk about movies that are coming out?

That's the only way I'm going to be pretty good.

Guys,

I did see some trailers a couple days ago when I had to take my children to the movie Mufasa, a movie that neither of them really liked very much.

But we saw some trailers for some other movies.

So I know a couple other movies that are coming out.

Did you know, guys, there is not a cartoon in existence which is not being live-actioned right now and released for you?

Well, some of those may come up.

Okay, let's move

on.

And yet, no Black Cauldron live-action movie.

What's going on, Disney?

Yeah, so consider my breath baited, Dan.

I mean,

that would actually be pretty good.

I mean, that's the one they should do, Black Cauldron live-action.

Do it right.

Sure.

Sure, not Lilo and Sticks.

Peridon series, maybe, or like a live action, not even live action, do a full-length, hand-drawn Don Bluth Dragon Slayer movie.

Do it, sure, yeah.

Just do it.

Uh, I don't know why that triggered my Siri.

My Siri on my phone.

When I said do it, it just like

make a yeah, Dan, what have you been doing with your Siri?

Nothing.

Um, okay,

so this is broken down by month.

And for each month,

I've assembled a pair of movies.

And I'm just going to be asking you which one you might be more excited to see.

You're like a cinemalier with your movie pairings.

So in January,

we've got, here are a couple of movies that are coming out.

And maybe you can tell me which one you're more excited to see.

We've got

Presents.

directed by Steven Soderberg.

Family discover they are not alone when they move into a new house.

Soderberg is doing a horrible horror.

Not with a T, with a C.

a horror film.

Oh,

he's never, well, he's never really done a horror movie before.

He's done thrillers.

Yeah.

Right?

But he's never, he did side effects, right?

But he's never done like a horror movie.

Yeah.

I'd say I was excited about it, but I also have I've not really gone out of my way to see the last four or five Soderbergh movies, and they're all on Netflix, I think.

So yeah, I mean, they're a lot of them.

I've heard they're good.

I mean, they're, yeah, they're good.

Uh, he has gone smaller, but that's kind of, you know, I think the industry

not making his sort sort of movies.

And he's like, well, I'll go where I have the control.

Yeah.

But so either that or, of course, Screamboat, which is, of course, an edgy slasher reimagining of Steamboat Willie.

Whoa.

Finally.

Finally, he's in the public domain, so we can do this.

Public domain.

We can do a swimming topic.

Did you hear the thing about so soon Popeye is going to be in the public domain, the original Popeye?

And people are like, we're already doing horror movies of him.

It's like, there's got to be a thing other than horror movies to do with these characters.

And you know, it's going to be called Bloody Spinach or something.

They are changing.

The only thing that can be done is we need to take beloved characters and turn them into murderers.

That is what we do.

Or take beloved murderers and turn them into characters.

And then send those characters to

USA.

In my new public domain movie, Lil Jack.

So Lil Jack has a problem.

He can't stop stabbing prostitutes.

Aren't they doing like Lil Dexter?

Isn't there a show, Lil Dexter?

And they got Michael C.

Hall to be like the framing device or something.

Did they?

I don't know.

So it's like the Wonder Years, but Dexter?

I think so.

Yeah.

Young Sheldon, but Dexter.

Like Young Sheldon, but Dexter.

Yeah, yeah.

Might be a great show that's going to run for like 40 seasons.

Okay, so what I'm hearing is a lot of enthusiasm for Screenboat.

I'm leaning toward, yeah, I mean, I'm talking sincerely or ironically.

The trailer for presence looks interesting enough, and it looks very like,

you know feels very tied to the form of it, right?

It's like shot really weird.

Yeah, but seems like he's doing something new.

Yeah, it looks interesting.

I'd be more interested in that.

As

bored as I am with haunted house movies, I'm curious to see what he'll do with it.

Okay, well, let's move on to February, where I've got a pairing here.

I'm curious to see where you land here.

Paddington and Brook.

Are you more interested in The Monkey, which is, of course, the new film by Osgood Perkins, who directed Long Legs and is based on a Stephen King short story?

Okay.

Or The Unbreakable Boy about an autistic boy with brittle bone disease and his father, who's played by Zachary Levi, a man who has made no career or personal mistakes recently whatsoever.

I'm out of the loop.

What did he do?

Well,

just look it up.

I don't know.

Okay, I'll look it up.

But well, I mean, everything you said about that second movie is a a red flag for me.

Uh-huh.

Yeah, so wait, which one was made by the Harold and the Purple Cray team?

That would be the same.

I don't know if it's by the team.

Yeah, it's the same star.

Yeah, I guess.

Wait, what was the first one?

The monkey.

I'll see that one.

Yeah, why not?

I like Long Legs.

I like Black Coat's Daughter.

I still haven't seen Long Legs, but I'd rather see that one first.

So that Herald and Purple Crayon movie, did that come out?

Did that happen?

It happened.

It is available.

It is on, I think it's on Netflix or some streamer already.

We probably should talk about it.

We should probably do it at some point.

Mega flop.

And such a, such a misguided, the idea of, I mean, Harold and the Purple Cray, we'll talk about this when we do that movie, I guess, at some point, but I love that book.

It's a beautiful book.

I find it be such a beautiful, poetic book about creativity.

And the idea that like, Now he's grown up and he's in our world.

It's like, what the fuck?

Like, come on, guys.

It's It's the little prince, but now he's grown up and he's on the run from Space Pirates.

It's like, come on, man.

Like, what are you doing?

Ugh.

Yeah.

And Stephen King on film has had, there's been a mixed bag, but I like the trailer to the microphone.

I mean, it's good to see.

Stephen King on film.

Yeah, you never know what you're going to get.

It could be a great movie.

It could be a terrible movie, but it's worth the risk.

Okay, in March, coming up on March, we have Sinners, which is the new Ryan Kugler film.

It's also

his first horror movie.

It stars Michael B.

Jordan as twin brothers encountering a mysterious evil.

Or

you could go see, if you're interested, Snow White, the Walt Disney live-action remake starring seven horrifying CGI dwarves.

So who plays Snow White?

That's Rachel Ziegler.

Okay.

That was the first movie star

choice.

Yeah.

I was busy reading about Zachary Levi's politics.

Sinners, the new Ryan Kugler.

Yeah, I mean, I'm more interested in that.

Although a misguided CGI dwarf extravaganza could be fun for me.

I mean, ask me which movie I'm more interested in seeing.

The Ryan Kugler one.

Ask me which one I am more likely to see in the theaters.

The Snow White one.

I will give it that apparently Greta Gerwig was one of the screenwriters on the Snow White one.

So it might have something going going on.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe.

Who knows?

Who knows?

So that means that automatically Noah Bombach did a little bit of punch-up as well, perhaps.

We are.

I think that's...

That's the kind of thing that you mean as a joke, but I think could edge into misogyny, Stuart.

So let's, so I would, I would avoid

it.

I know they work together a lot and they're partners, but I don't want, I know that there's some, I don't want any listeners to be like, oh, Stuart thinks that Greta Gerwig Girlie can't do it on her own.

She needs no

man.

That is not the case for me.

I know you don't mean it that way.

Yeah.

But that being said, you're probably doing, right?

You're probably just wife.

That part where the dwarves are like smearing jizz all over books and shit in the library.

The part where they're listening to Led Zeppelin.

Yeah, sure.

Guys, I've said this before, I'll say it again.

Two things I have issues with in Squid and the Whale.

One, that Jizz on the Books thing is too much.

Two, none of the other kids in his school recognized that song.

None of them knew that that was not a song that he wrote.

Come on.

Come on, on, Noah Bombach.

There's no way.

I can't believe it.

I can't imagine it.

Come on.

It was a huge song.

Well, huge album.

Well, it was a big deal.

Put in the IMGB goofs, I guess.

Put in the goofs.

Yeah.

Put in the goofs.

All right.

So squid in the whale.

More like the squid and the goof.

Oh, but that makes it sound like it's a squid fighting goofy.

Oh, no.

Now you've got to have that problem.

That's a great movie.

20,000 goofs under the sea.

Disney, do it.

Come on.

Yeah.

Well, in April, you guys have a tough choice to make.

It's going to be really hard.

Do you want to run out to see Mickey 17, which is, of course, the next movie from Bong Joon-ho, the one that Warner Brothers and David Zaslov keep pushing back despite the fact that Parasite, his last movie, literally won the best picture.

That's Mickey 17.

And it's got Robert Pattinson doing a fun accent.

And you know that after someone wins an Academy Award, they always do their best work when they can do anything they want.

A little movie called Babylon that was a little divisive, according to some.

Okay, I'm not going to get that.

There might even be a whole podcast about when someone gets that kind of a blank check and whether it works out or not.

Or your other choice, of course, is you could run out and see a Minecraft movie starring Jason Momoa and Jack Black, directed by Napoleon Dynamite Knights Jared Hess, which is, as the title suggests, a Minecraft movie.

Yeah, it's there's a part in that trailer when, which, again, I've seen because the kind of movies I see in Theater now are the kind where they're in the middle of the moment.

Wait,

What's it look like?

Yeah, what does it look like?

It actually looks much better than the video game Minecraft, but it's just a bunch of people walking around in a mine.

It's the same Jumanji, you know, type story where a bunch of real-life people get sucked into Minecraft.

And they get to Jack Black and he goes, my name is Steve.

And I had to turn to my children and be like, what does that mean?

He said it as if it's a big thing.

And they're like, Steve's like the most famous character in Minecraft.

Like, that's, come on, you don't know that.

But

again, I would rather see the Bangjun ho movie, but I will be seeing Minecraft because my children have asked me about it many times.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but in Jumanji, wasn't it like they opened the game and all the shit came into the real world?

In the old Jumanji, in the new Jumanji, it's a video game that they're sucked into.

Yeah.

In the Jumanji, that also means Jack Black.

Why don't they call it Jumanji Tron then?

Because that's kind of what that is, right?

Jutranji?

You know,

Jutmanji

like a slur or something.

yeah jutranji does sound like it's tron but they're jewish yeah

um okay well you know we're we're getting into we're getting into uh blockbuster territory now yeah heck yeah let's find now that my favorite

still around video

movie is so the minecraft movie so which one wait so which ones do you guys want to see you didn't answer the question stewart minecraft or uh or the other one

uh i get the other one's the bong movie right yes yeah i'm gonna watch i'm gonna take a hit

yeah i mean if you so the Minecraft movie, you watch the trailer for that.

And actually, I want you to, Stuart, I want you to write down your script for a Minecraft trailer.

And then I want you to watch the trailer and see how much it exactly matches exactly what you think it's going to be.

Yeah, I'm going to do that.

Okay.

Not a lot of surprises in the movie.

I'll film it and I'll post it on my TikTok.

I mean, so Elliot will never see it.

I got to tell you,

if I do it.

Stuart, look, I don't have TikTok.

I'm just doing what the American government wants me to do and not use TikTok.

Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, yeah.

You were saying that, yeah, that's what you say.

time you get in your Elon Musk created car and fly and you spend your Trump bucks on things.

If I did that exercise, it would genuinely be wild because I have no idea what Minecraft is.

Is that the one that's all blocky?

It's all blocky.

You're just building things occasionally.

That's as much as I know.

What do you,

you think I'm like.

I feel like you play more modern video games than I do.

Is Minecraft a modern video game?

I mean,

what counts as modern?

It's still a thing that I get.

You're right, actually.

I mean, modern art would be art from the early 20th century up to like the 1960s, 1970s.

I'm like officially like the

gaming nerd correspondent on this show.

So I should do my research, guys.

Before some

research, somebody younger will replace me on this show.

Oh, almost certainly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We have a gaming correspondent and we have a hedgehog correspondent.

Those are the two correspondents we have on this show.

And we have a Cat's Premiere correspondent.

That's true.

Okay, in May, in May, you have the option of going out to see Thunderbolts, Asterisk,

Marvel's first big team-up movie in a while, with sort of an anti-hero Avengers.

Or you can see Final Destination Bloodlines, which is dubbed a reimagining of the Final Destination series, series which has reached the point in every horror series life cycle where they add bloodlines to the title.

So this time, the people are going after death.

That's the reimagining.

Yeah.

I definitely have seen the Thunderbolts trailer and it looks fine.

And I mean, Florence Pugh, I mean, I'll watch, I mean, she's so charming.

She's great and lots of stuff.

And you love

David Harbor?

Right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love big old David Harbor, and I want to support him in this difficult time since he's separating from his longtime partner.

But I'm

you guys are so much more up on the personal lives of famous people than I am.

You guys?

Just love me.

You knew all about Zachary Levi.

I guess that's true.

Yeah, well, Elliot,

yeah, I mean, I don't have children to waste time on.

I've

been doing it.

That's true.

That's fair.

That's fair.

When I'm lying in bed, I'll look at my, when I'm lying on my deathbed and I'm dying, I'll look over my phone.

I'll be like, I just wish I had more time with you, little kid.

Now,

I'll be honest.

I just wish I could just watch one more trailer.

Yeah, I'll be honest about the selections here in May.

Clearly, at this point,

you've tweaked to the bit, which is that one movie is less appealing than the other film.

But May, it was a harder one.

Like, Final Destination has been a pretty consistent series, but

it's being reimagined.

A reimagining, and it has bloodlines in the title.

They're huge red flags, but guys, I'm not very good at saying no when something is that attractive and still has red flags.

And Final Destination

is the hottest horror franchise, I would argue.

It has the fewest misses.

Yes.

Wait, what is it?

The ceiling isn't that high, even though I do love a couple of them, but the floor also isn't that low on the Final Destination.

Yes.

And the high moments,

I mean,

some of the best set pieces are like late in the series.

Yeah, that's true.

The fucking gymnastics set piece is incredible.

That's a, that is a great one.

That the gymnastics one is great.

That is, yeah.

That is fucking, that proves the fucking magic of cinema, right there.

Yeah, this is a hard one.

It's hard.

The original Thunderbolts comic book, I loved, but I don't think they're, they're not doing it the same way.

So Thunderbolts, the original concept was they are villains who are pretending to be superheroes and nobody knows it.

And some of the villains are feeling the urge to actually become heroes and others are not.

And I feel like this is just going to be kind of like suicide squad, you know, type stuff.

Probably.

I'm worried that it's going to be.

What's funny is that Final Destination is all about people getting killed.

And I'm like, I want to see it.

Elaborate, kind of crazy deaths.

This is also, I'm sure it's going to kill a lot of people and I'm not going to like it.

It's going to be a lot of killing people and making jokes about it.

And it shows my duality when it comes to movies where a lot of people get killed.

On the other hand, Wendell Pierce is in Thunderbolts and I love Wendell Pierce.

So I don't know.

I don't think he's got a big role, but, you know.

What if, I mean, the thing is.

And I got to find out what that asterisk means.

What does that asterisk on the title mean?

You know,

what are they referring to?

So maybe it's asterisk

from asterisk and obelisk.

What if

that was the like asterisk and oblix?

Have you heard about the Thunderbolts initiative and they only speak, they only speak ancient French, like ancient Gaelic?

Like, come on.

Then I'd be more interested.

Yeah.

And they are 100% hand-drawn animated characters.

That is,

I have, yeah, no win room on this one.

So I think I want want to see our version of Thunderbolts Asterisk that has asterisks and old looks in it.

We'll say that's an option.

Let's move on to June, where you've got an interesting choice.

You can see 28.

All of these are fascinating.

You can see 28 years later, where the creative team behind 28 Weeks Later returns for

a decades later installment of pseudo-zombie horror.

This is with Sandy B, Sandra Bullock

no you're thinking of

the rehab no no no just 28 days

28 days how to lose a guy in 28 days no that's

or you could run out you're thinking of you're thinking of 28 days the condor no

you could run out and see and this is the whole title

from the world of john wick ballerina which is of course the movie the movie that asks what if we remove john wick from john wick but added the director of the Underworld series?

Well, it didn't work to remove Spider-Man from all those Spider-Man bad guy movies, but maybe John Wick's not as important to these characters.

But the title includes the rules of John Wick.

I'm glossing over Madam Webb, and I do not like this Madam Webb erasure.

Madam Webb is the one movie that kind of does have Spider-Man in it because he's a baby at the end.

It's true.

It's true.

That's why it kind of works.

Guys,

guys, you know, and we got to do Craven, right?

We got to do Craven when it's available for reviewing.

I'm also Kraven Kraven.

I'm also Craven Craven.

I've kept away from reviews because I don't want to be spoiled.

I want to see it as bad as it's meant to be.

I had a friend who was going to see it, and I'm like, you know what?

In another world, I would come out to the theater and watch Craven with you, but I know we're going to have to watch Jupiter.

We got to do Craven.

Yeah.

Yeah, he sees everything.

So this is either the.

I'm the fucking watcher.

From the world of John Wick, The Ballerina.

Now, is this a character from the later John Wick movies, The Ballerina?

Or is this a new character?

I don't know.

Was she in the early ones?

I don't remember her.

So, Wick was associated with that kind of like those Russian mob ballerinas.

I don't know what the actual.

Again, I have to stress that I don't pay that much attention to the John Wick movies after the first one.

I watched at least one of them entirely on mute because I didn't want to wake up my wife and just seemed I could follow the

totally fine way to watch them.

I've seen all of them and really liked them, but seen all of them once.

So I am not a in, you know.

Okay, so

have you, have you watched any of the John Wick movies?

I've seen the first two.

I just haven't seen the third or the fourth.

Because when

the alert went out for John Wick that he that they had to stop him and every single person in New York checked their phone, I was like, I can't see, I can't buy this world where everyone is a hitman.

It's weird.

There's, if anything, you should at least watch some

the action sequence.

I will say.

I'll watch the action sequence.

They're incredible for me like it's like Final Destination.

I just want to see the scene the death scenes.

I don't need to see any of the other scenes in the Final Destination movie.

I still liked two, but for me, two was like the dip and then like I like three and four more than two.

So if you okay, if you have any affection, I don't know.

But

as you said before, there's limited time.

So what are these two movies?

We have Ballerina and what's the other one?

28 Years Later.

I'll probably see that.

I thought the last one,

the first two were good.

Yeah.

I don't think I ever saw 28 weeks later, but

28 days later, I liked a lot.

Yeah.

It was like pretty brutal.

Yeah.

Who's the

baddie in it?

From Train Spotting and Ravenous.

Robert Carlisle.

Yeah,

he's really scary in it.

He's a scary guy.

Yeah, no, it's good.

It's a weird one where, you know, like

other zombie movie, the Dawn of the Dead remake, I don't think it ever gets better than the opening, which is amazing.

Yes.

Yeah.

But the rest of the movie is pretty good.

I don't know.

The moment in 28 Days Later when he falls down, he looks up and there's a plane flying over the sky.

That's a pretty powerful moment.

Well, no, I'm talking about the 28 weeks.

Oh, the sequel.

Sequel.

Yeah, yeah.

Because that's because there's a part, certainly by the end of 28 Days Later, when he's using the zombies for his like revenge fighting, I was like, all right, well, he's kind of turned into a superhero now.

I don't love this, but I love seeing that plane.

And it's just being like, everyone just forgot about England.

They don't care about it.

They don't give a shit about it.

Everyone's living their life on other countries.

So because we're halfway through the year, I'm going to just take a brief break to mention a couple of flop house things.

Of course, last week was our ski school 2 flop TV.

And next month will be our Flop TV Season 2 big finale.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, The Secret of the Ooze, a movie that I have somehow never seen in its entirety, so I don't know what the Secret of the Ooze is.

I will be learning the Secret of the Ooze.

I saw the movie multiple times in the theater when it came out.

Yeah.

I just missed it on the box office game recently.

The Secret of the Ooze was not in my head.

So I think you're familiar with Toka and Razar or no?

The other mutants in it?

I don't know.

Okay, don't let me spoil the existence of Toka and Razar.

Yeah, but if you're interested, of course, go to theflophouse.simpletics.com.

And if you get a season pass, you can watch all the old shows until the end of February.

So that's coming up.

And of course, as you are listening to this, if you're listening to it when it was released,

next week is our live show at San Francisco Sketch Fest

on January the 19th at 7 p.m.

at Cobb's Comedy Club.

We will be talking about Cutthroat Island and doing our presentations.

I have

an idea for a presentation that I think is pretty good.

I don't know if I saw it.

Pretty good.

Can't wait to see what's pretty good.

I've been working on it.

That's been my big project lately.

So if you're interested, you can go to sfsketchfest.com for tickets.

Presuming we haven't sold out, but then who knows?

We'll have to check.

It's possible.

Yeah.

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Let's get back to the series of

infernal choices you have to make.

To 2025.

Sophie herself would have trouble making these choices.

So in July,

Sophie Tucker, that is, the last of the Red Hot Mamas.

Yeah.

Sure.

In July, would you prefer to go out and see Superman, which was the most watched Warner Brothers trailer ever or some nonsense record like that?

James Gunn, of course, taking creative control of DC, returning Superman to the tone of Superman.

It's got the same, pretty much the same music in the trailer, right?

Or a variant of the music.

Yeah, well, they use a heavy metal version of John Williams theme.

Oh, it's

crypto's in it.

It's a dog.

It's got superpower.

I haven't seen the trailer yet.

I hear it's really good, actually.

Or there's a lot of kissing in the trailer, at least the one that I saw.

Surprising amount of soups and Lois kissing.

Yeah.

Stuart, you love kissing.

I love kissing.

And your favorite character, Mr.

Terrific, also appears in it.

Oh, yippee.

Or you have the option, of course, to see Jurassic World Rebirth.

It's born again.

Did you miss it in the whole three years since the last one?

Elliot, you love dinosaurs.

You must be thirsting for this one.

I do love dinosaurs.

I got to admit, this is now

we're in the real world that young Elliot never thought he would find himself in, where I'm so bored by both superhero movies and dinosaur movies that I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

Or specifically the Jurassic World, Jurassic Park movies.

Like, if there's another movie with dinosaurs, I'll go, I'll eat that up.

But I feel like both of these, I'm like,

let's let these franchises, you know, just lay low.

Guys, what was the last non-Jurassic movie that had a dinosaur in it?

The 65 that we were doing.

Oh.

And Tree of Life.

Tree of Life also has some great dinosaur footage in it.

I understand what you're saying, although

because I have disliked the Zack Snyder characterization of Superman so much, it does feel like that character, in my mind,

has been dead for years.

Oh, yeah.

That's true.

I definitely am curious to see a Superman movie where he does not snap people's necks or just allow thousands of people to get killed during his fights.

As far as we know,

maybe that's James Gunn's surprise is that his Superman is kind of a bumbling Clark Kent in the light-hearted soups, but he still kills people.

Is he doing like a movie version of All-Star Superman or something?

What's he doing?

It looks very all-star Superman-y, you know, color-wise, color palette-wise, but it's not the same story.

Because like in the trailer, the thing that threw me off at the trailer is that there's also like,

I think, like, Hawkman or someone shows up in it, and there's Green Lanterns in it.

Mr.

Terran.

He's going in there as one of the Green Lantern guys.

He probably plays Guy Gardner.

It's like, I kind of would love to see a Superman movie where it's just Superman and it's not all these other characters.

Yeah, not carrying the weight of an entire IP, like a whole franchise.

Yes, exactly.

But I'm curious about what's rebirthing about Terracent World.

Rebirth is another one of these really lazy title subtitles.

Like Rises is probably the laziest one because it means nothing.

It's so incredibly meaningless, you know?

I think that the real answer is it is the studio being like, okay, we understand you didn't really like those last couple of ones.

We're doing something different.

I feel like at this point with a number of these franchises, they should just be like Jurassic World 2025.

Yeah, we're just next time they make just or just Jurassic World 4.

Just put a number at the end of it, you know?

Yeah.

But, yeah, but that's the way they used to do the airport movies, was it would be like airport 75, you know?

And you'd be like, oh, the new airport is out.

The new model of the airport movies.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, in August, you have a choice to make, and that is,

could you, would you, with a bear?

I don't think we made a choice in July.

I don't think we ever actually chose anything.

I don't know.

Do you have a choice to make?

I'll see Superman.

I'll go see the Superman movie.

I'm going to see Jurassic World Rebirth, probably.

August.

You could watch The Battle of Bactan Cross, which there's no plot details yet, but this is Paul Thomas Anderson's next film, and it is apparently the biggest budget he's ever had, in part because he's got DiCaprio as his lead.

And so the Zoom is like, oh, well, I sure loved that last movie of his.

No.

Wait, you didn't like

Licorice Pizza?

Oh, I thought you were talking about DiCaprio's last movie.

No, no, no, no, no.

You didn't like Licorice Pizza?

No,

not a big fan.

Didn't really like it.

I kept waiting for the movie to kind of kick into gear and do something that I liked, and it just never did it.

I don't agree with you, but you know, he's got a good track record in general, even if you didn't care for that.

He's someone, I have to admit, I admire his movies more than I like them, to be honest.

Your other option, of course, and of course, there's only one other option.

There are only two movies being released in all these months.

So Hollywood really is in trouble.

They're releasing 24 movies this year.

The whole industry.

Your other option would be untitled Insidious Sequel.

With a title like that, anything's possible.

Wow.

They still haven't untitled it, and it's coming out next year.

It's going to be a tough box office weekend, I got to tell you.

Yeah, I'll have to go see.

I'll have to go see Back Sidious.

That'll be the way you watch both of them at the same time.

Yeah.

You'll have to watch all of the previous titled Insidious films so you're going to understand this untitled one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I'm going to go.

And as much as I didn't like

Licorice Beats, I think I'll go see Battle of Bactan Cross.

Okay.

If only because it makes me think of Bacta Tanks.

Yeah, sure.

Most losing Bacta Tanks.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, in September,

here's some interesting ones.

You could see The Bride exclamation point.

It's not the words, but it's just The Bride.

The Bride.

A musical adaptation of The Bride of Frankenstein, which is listen to this, written and directed by Maggie Gillenhall with an all-star cast including Jesse Buckley, Christian Bale, Penelope Cruz, Annette Binning, and of course Maggie's husband, Peter Sarsgaard.

Sure.

Or

Saw 11.

What new fiendish traps a shill in the ideas notebook?

This is like when Ogami Ito made Daigoro choose between the ball and the sword.

Yeah, this one's a tough one.

To be honest, Saw's doing it right with the titles.

Just slap a number on there.

Just do it.

We know how many Saw it throws is great.

It has gotten confusing briefly in there.

They're awful from the numbers.

Yeah,

we had to go pick up the Book of Saw.

Yeah.

It's the one that we just called Jigsaw.

Yeah, I think Spider-Man.

I think that's the worst one.

But yeah, they're all going to have the same music in the end.

I hate them all and also kind of like them.

And you also love them.

I mean, I got to see the Bride.

I got to see a musical version of Bride of Frankenstein.

And I love Jesse Buckley.

She's great.

I got to admit, I know that it's not a good movie, but Spiral from the Book of Saw was one of the first movies, like, after that you ever saw?

No, after like,

I was fully vaccinated for COVID and like things were quieting down.

He was vaxed and waxed.

Theaters were reopening.

He went, he got vaxxed.

Then he got a waxing.

This is the first time he could really go to the waxer.

I was just so thirsty to see a movie in the theater that I saw Spiral from the Book of Saw and had a good time because I'm like, oh, you know, God bless seeing a movie in the theater.

Yeah,

not being able to do that.

I think there was nobody for me, the Bob Odenkirk action movie, and that was a blast.

In October.

This is an interesting one.

You got,

this is from the director of The Place Beyond the Pines, a movie that I didn't, you know, I haven't seen it on, but it's interesting.

It's too bad.

The Place Beyond the Pines, it's too bad the first third of that is the most interesting part of the the movie.

And then it gets kind of less and less interesting as it goes on.

But they've made a movie called

Roofman, which is a true crime story about another superhero movie.

It's another powers of a roof.

Great.

He can cover things.

Fantastic.

It's a true crime story

about an army officer turned thief of McDonald's franchises.

All right, now I'm listening.

It stars Shanny Tatum and Kristen Dunst.

Kirsten Dunst.

Or you could run right out and see Tron Aries, where they decided that what the Tron franchise needed was Jared Leto.

They put Jared Leto and Tron now.

He makes every movie better, Dan.

Name one movie he made worse.

You know what?

I can't just name one movie that he made worse.

I challenge you to limit it to one.

So those are some...

saucy options.

I will say, like, Jared Leto is often in good movies, though.

Yeah, look, I don't think

it's possible for him to put in a bad performance.

He's also, he can be a good actor.

Yeah.

Yes.

But I'm just saying that, like, whoever

puts him in movies generally picks good projects for

whether it's Blade Runner, Panic Room, et cetera, et cetera.

Yeah.

I think

he is best deployed as sort of a spice.

on the side.

Sure, yeah.

Not the main dish.

Yeah.

There's a reason that he did not play the main lead in House of Gucci, but instead was the wacky sidekick, yeah, yeah.

Um, okay, uh,

so I'm gonna say the first one, yeah, Ruth Man,

say Ruth Man, yeah, yeah, all right.

Well, uh, in November,

what we've got on the plate is uh

days are getting shorter, they sneak

leaves are falling off the trees, going to the member.

Yeah, turkeys are hiding.

Um, they certainly

like we're really starting to kick into a word season, You know, people are starting to think

word season?

Yeah.

Word season.

And here's an award season movie for you.

The Running Man.

Edgar Wright's new adaptation of Stephen King's Richard Bachmann novel of the same name, starring newly minted star Glenn Powell.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Running Man.

Hey, they'll make America love him.

They're just going to keep trying.

No, I was a doubter, but then,

you know, between Hitman and to a lesser degree, Twisters, I'm like, yeah, I get it.

Well, here's, no, no, here, I get it.

I think he's he's super handsome.

He's super charismatic.

I think he's a good actor, but I feel like it's starting to have the feeling to me of when Hollywood loves somebody, but America is not like, Yeah, we love this.

Like, America needs to discover a star for itself in some ways or choose a star for itself.

His name is Paul Giamatti, and America loves him.

I mean, to be honest, Paul Giamatti is one of those actors where Hollywood was not like, We got to put Paul Giamatti in everything, but America was like, We like Paul Giamatti.

We want to see him in movies.

Yeah, I would argue that he has now broken through to uh america with twisters y'all if they made a running man movie saying paul giamatti i would be like damn baby love it i would love it that would be great

I would show up wearing merch for the movie before I'd even seen the move.

Let's table the...

You'd have just sweatpants with Running Man down the leg.

Well, it's got to have a picture of Paul.

Oh, yeah, well, that's on the butt.

Yeah.

Let's table the Paul Giamatti talks until you hear the movie.

other one.

They're rivals, Dan.

Look, they're feuding rivals.

Yeah, he plays Buzzong.

You got to hear the other option available.

We're going to start this Giamatti Powell beef here on the podcast.

Yeah, my question is, do you think that this is going to be a.

Wait, hold on.

There's a second movie.

Okay, fine, fine, fine.

Then tell me what I'm curious to know what you're going to say.

Or the other option is David.

which is a computer-animated movie about David and Goliath from the director of Jungle Beat, the movie.

Okay,

and I'm very familiar with Jungle Beat, certainly.

Yeah.

I was just going to say,

I know,

do you think that this, the Edgar Wright Running Man, is going to be closer to the original short story or more like the big,

almost like the more obvious skewering of reality television that the movie?

Well,

is it like a weird thing to say both?

Because I mean, I do think that it probably

is going to hew closer to the story because like the

Schwarzenegger movie is very different than the novel.

And I feel like there's a lot of meat to do with it.

Yeah.

Novel bone.

But I do think that Edgar Wright could do a lot with

a reality TV.

And it feels like if he's leaning more...

I mean...

Edgar Wright, I think, is a very good action director.

So I'm excited to see him doing that sort of thing.

yeah i mean i'll see that that's certainly the one i'm more interested in seeing i hope that they the running man the story is an attack on a political system and the running man the movie is a is a the old one is a parody of television and i hope this i would like this one to steer more into the political aspect that it's less about can you believe what they put on tv these days and it's more about what kind of culture creates this thing in order to distract people or give them a thing to do, you know, because the exciting thing about the story is that is he's, he's off in the world, you know, and they're like, he's out in public and they're trying to get him and and people have to be either complicit or not complicit with that with that hunt you know so well and i also like you know the casting of glenn powell i mean obviously a very handsome man but more of a normal man than arnold schwarzenegger was where like from the start you're like oh i mean like he'll do fine whereas in the story like it is like a normal dude who has to go through this and but what if they cast More of an every man.

Just hear me out.

What if instead of casting Glenn Powell like that?

Who would you think?

Who would you think?

Someone who's like a little bit less, less kind of like leading man, you know, looks, that kind of thing?

You know, traditional, but like he's got, he's got like a certain charisma and charm that

really catapults him into leading man's status.

Yeah, even though Hollywood doesn't want him in that position, but America just demands it.

It just demands to see him.

Who would be that guy?

Yeah.

Now, don't hate me.

Okay.

I know.

I don't want you guys to get mad at me.

You guys are hateful.

You've gotten really tough on me lately.

No, I feel like I want someone whose last name is Italian, but who doesn't come off as super Italian, you know?

Yes, exactly.

I think that's important.

But at the same time, there's this element of like it adds a little bit of an edge to him.

Yeah, yeah.

There's an ethnic tinge to him that gives him a little air of, you know, not just your milquetoast kind of leading to it.

He's somebody who has like a pretty nice, lengthy career, has done some high-profile television work, as well as

has played a United States president on television before.

Somebody like that.

But also just be like a salt of the earth everyman, you know?

Somebody who's as comfortable playing a guy who has to be a bartender because he has debts to pay and an ape that sells humans as slaves, you know?

Someone who can do both those roles.

Who could that be?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just eyeing the leave button on this TV.

Okay.

So, yeah, I'm going to go see Running Man.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, with Paul Giamatti, hopefully.

Paul Giamatti.

And Edgar Wright is the one director I can think of right now who I don't think they're going to do the climax of the story where he crashes an airplane into a building, which Stephen King has said since then.

He's like, I feel like I can't write that now.

But I wonder if he, but the fact that as he is walking towards the cockpit, the main character is his guts are hanging out and his intestine gets caught on a chair and are pulling out of his body as he walks.

I could see Edgar Wright doing that scene.

So I remember reading that scene and being like, this is amazing.

This is the most grotesque kind of hero climax I can imagine.

All right.

Well, we've reached the end of the year

where all the big movies come out, and here we go.

I should mention, I should mention, I was hard on Stuart about what he said about Noam Bob back earlier and Greta Gerweg.

I should mention, I have nothing against Italian people.

I don't mind if someone's very Italian.

I was just trying to, another way to try to hint at Paul Giamatti, you know, but

in December, you have the option to either see Marty Supreme, which is reportedly A24's most expensive movie, a sports drama about what?

A sports drama about it's not about Martin Scorsese opening up like a diner.

That's the big dish.

Yeah,

Marty Supreme.

It's a sports drama about ping pong and it stars Timothy Chalamet and it's directed by Josh Softie.

Okay, so I like the Softie movies.

Safety.

Or

Five Nights at Freddy's 2.

Five Nights at Freddy's 2.

Do you dare?

10 nights at Freddy's.

Nights six through ten at Freddy's.

So I can't believe that's so many nights, guys.

There's a lot of nights.

Do you take the weekends off?

Like, what's happening here?

I mean, I've probably spent, you know, five nights at Freddy's over the course of my time here at Brooklyn.

Yeah, yeah.

That's a Freddy's bar.

Freddy's bar owned by my business partner, Matt.

Yeah, I mean, the thing is, like, I could only spend one night at McCool's.

More than five nights at Freddy's would be too much.

Yeah, if you spend more than one night at Freddy's, see your doctor.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, and I only spent

the robots cut you up.

Yeah.

I think I only spent three nights at the museum, and those were huge events

there.

And those, and those were spaced out over different times in different museums.

Yeah.

You spent a night at the opera once.

Just once.

Okay.

Yeah.

I spent it and a day at the races.

Don't forget that.

That was the next day.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you think those stacked on each other?

Anyway.

Yeah, what do you think?

Yeah, so Marty Supreme.

I think I'll probably see it.

I'll probably see Marty Supreme.

So wait, was their previous most expensive movie, Civil War, I think?

I don't know.

I really don't.

Also, I feel like Bo is Afraid must have been wildly expensive.

It looks very expensive.

Considering how little money I think it made for them.

So it says, according to this, I'm looking at it right now.

Civil War was the previous one.

It says Civil War's budget, according to Wikipedia, was $50 million.

This is $70 million.

Most of that went to Jesse Plemens for his one scene.

He's like, I'm only available, but you got to, you got to pay.

I know you're going to use this in the trailer, so you got to pay me $50 million.

That's the whole budget.

The best scene is great.

And it's, I mean, he probably didn't have to get paid that much since his wife is the star of the movie also.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Probably not.

But again, we're talking about a different movie than the one we're talking about.

Yeah, so Marty Supreme.

I'm curious how this sports drama could cost that much money.

Maybe they're holding a Super Bowl.

I don't know.

But yeah, Bo's Afraid.

I wonder what the budget for that was.

That did look very expensive.

And Lupone doesn't come cheap.

No,

that's what her business card says.

Yeah, don't come cheap.

So according to Wikipedia, the budget was $35 million.

Wow.

That's a lot for the business.

It's all up on screen.

It is all up screen.

I think more is on screen even than that.

Yeah, I'll watch it.

I haven't watched it yet.

But I'm afraid.

Well,

you haven't watched, wait, Bose Afrid you haven't watched or the other?

I haven't watched Bo's Afraid.

There's some stuff in it that I loved and some stuff in it where I was like, movie, you should have cut this out.

Don't have this in here.

But it's a singular, certainly a singular vision.

You know,

you like movies that are, I mean, I know that you liked, you like, speaking of the Softy Brothers, you like movies that are sort of anxiety, fever, dreams.

Yeah.

And Bo is afraid is definitely that.

Certainly is.

Certainly those opening scenes where it's in the city.

It's non-stop anxiety.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cool.

Yeah.

It's got,

it made me think of, I mean, just the trailer made me think of

Senectokey, New York.

Yeah.

It's, they're, they're very different movies, but they're in some ways they're very similar movies, you know.

But I would say the main character in Senecti, New York, he causes trouble for himself in a way that seemed less like he was a doofus than Bo does.

There are times that Bo's afraid where I'm like, Bo, just fucking do what you're supposed to do.

Like, like, this is not that difficult.

Come on.

Fly right, Bo.

When Nathan Lane is like, Bo, we can't take you today.

Bo should have been like, well, then I'll just go on my own.

Like, I don't need you.

I can find another way to get where I'm going.

I don't need you to drive me.

But Bo's afraid.

He's very afraid.

So he is afraid.

That's one thing we know about him.

That is the one thing we know.

I think the thing that the movie can't quite decide is how afraid he is.

What was the original title?

What was the working title on that?

Bo is not afraid.

And then they made a big change in the story.

It was called like Heartbreak Boulevard or something.

Oh, really?

It was something, it was something different.

That would be a terrible title.

I don't think that was that specific thing, but it was something weird.

Cool.

So that was

your title Disappointment Boulevard.

Okay.

So that's a year of those.

Which are you most excited for?

And why is it

the dinosaur?

Is there a dinosaur one?

What's that Jurassic World one?

Jurassic World.

I don't know.

I love movies, so I'm going to see them all, you know?

I don't have to pick one.

No, this is like the, look, I've made, you know, like I said, I stacked it with some silly choices in there, but there's some movies in there that I'm really excited to see.

You know, it's nice to have

something to look forward to in this.

In 2025, yeah.

Yeah.

And that, of course, was our comprehensive and very serious preview of the next year in film for the Flophouse.

I've been Dan McCoy.

And I'm Stuart Wellington.

And I'm Elliot Kalen saying, even if all the other movies are crap, you've got to believe Hollywood will release at least one good movie next year.

And I can't wait to see it.

Bye.

Okay, let's do this mini.

Let me finish it.

Alex, leave in that

Mortal Kombat techno remix somewhere.

Friendship.

Get over here.

Maybe, maybe at the end, maybe you don't just like stick it in the middle.

Yeah, yeah, just insert it in the middle.

Dynamically insert it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do it dynamically.

Do it dynamically.

Okay.

God.

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