FH Mini 140 - Halloween Costumes on Film, with Hallie Haglund

Speaker 2 Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Flophouse Mini. It's the day after Halloween, so we're still doing Halloween stuff.

Speaker 2 If you're probably listening to this right now, you probably have a belly full of candy. You're still wearing whatever part of your Halloween costume you didn't have to take off to have sex in.

Speaker 2 But I want you to continue that half-Halloween spirit through this episode. I'm joined, of course, by my post-Halloween ghoulish companions.

Speaker 1 Dan Macabra McCoy,

Speaker 1 Buart Spookyton.

Speaker 2 That's Stuart Wellington. And we're joined by a special guest, Howley

Speaker 3 Hagland.

Speaker 1 Not puns exactly, just kind of a spooky way to pronounce name.

Speaker 1 She like emphasized the howl and the hag

Speaker 1 part of of it. That's fair.
That's fair.

Speaker 3 I was born Halloween.

Speaker 3 I'm a born Halloween pun. I don't even have to try.

Speaker 1 That's true. Yeah.
Halloween.

Speaker 2 Halloween. Oh, that's what we should have done.
I should have done a mini where it was Halloween, and it's just all about we all dress as Hallie, you know, especially last week.

Speaker 2 We talked a lot about what Hallie used to dress like when she was young. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not now when she's now we know how to do it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I wanted to use this mini because Halloween, when you're listening to this episode, is technically probably over, but the Halloween spirit continues all year long unless you're a Halloween spirit store in which case you're closed for much of the year but then you open up around what August you know

Speaker 1 all important stuff

Speaker 1 in July used to be a forever 21

Speaker 1 it was turns out

Speaker 2 forever didn't last as long as it used to um so

Speaker 2 they're dead at forever 21.

Speaker 2 So I'm going to talk about Halloween movies, the Halloween movies, but not necessarily the Halloween movies you might be thinking of.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 there's the Halloween movies, yes, the series of films that are mostly about masked slasher Michael Myers, but from movies supposedly set.

Speaker 1 From Fire Night Live?

Speaker 2 Yes, yeah, it's about Mike Myers

Speaker 2 after the failure of the love guru goes on a slashing spree.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But he does it in the cat in the hat makeup and with the Linda Richmond.

Speaker 1 Oh, that is scary. Yeah.
It's very scary. Is he an ex-murderer or did he marry one? He merely married an ex-murderer.
yeah

Speaker 2 um although he doesn't the movie he doesn't really marry an axe murderer no no

Speaker 1 uh what this

Speaker 1 spoil the end of the twist ending of someone married an axe murderer

Speaker 2 it's there's a big sign up at the box of it says does not actually marry axe murderer no refunds

Speaker 2 but uh for movies supposedly set around halloween These so-called Halloween movies, they don't have a lot of the best part of Halloween, which is costumes, right?

Speaker 2 There's the one Halloween movie that's at the third one that's about the masks, right?

Speaker 2 And Mike Myers wears a sheet in the first one at one point, but there's not really a lot of like Halloween dress-up in the Halloween.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, he's wearing a mask at all times as well.

Speaker 2 If you wear it at all times, it stops becoming a costume, just becomes his face, you know.

Speaker 1 It's his way of life. Don't we all wear that?

Speaker 1 Shatner costume.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like this, it's a, it's not exactly, it stops being a costume when you just wear it all the time.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 2 like Rorschach, that's his real face. What's underneath it is the mask.

Speaker 1 True,

Speaker 2 So I wanted to talk about other movies set around Halloween that have Halloween costumes in them that really bring their costume game.

Speaker 2 So today on the Flophouse, I want to talk to you guys about these Halloween movies. And for each one, I want you to rate the costumes in the movie.

Speaker 2 And I want you to tell me, how would we turn this actual Halloween movie into a part of the Halloween movie franchise? How do we make this a Mike Myers Halloween movie?

Speaker 2 So I'm going to share some visuals with you that the audience at home will not see, but that's okay. I'm going to have

Speaker 2 describing Dan McCoy and

Speaker 2 Stuart Word Picture Wellington and maybe perhaps even Hallie. Hey, can you tell us what this looks like, Hagland, telling us what these costumes look like and describing them.

Speaker 2 So let me just share this. Hold on.
Oh, you know what? I have to open up this. Let me make this file.

Speaker 1 How much of this do you think is? Alexis. Stretch space.
Yeah, stretches out. Stretches out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's great. That's good.
I had it open before.

Speaker 1 So, Stuart, what are you up to?

Speaker 1 What do you got on tap for the rest of the day? Yeah, well, I gotta take a shower, probably hit the treadmill first.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in that order, probably

Speaker 1 then put on some clothes and then head to the Alamo draft house where I'm

Speaker 1 watching Death Stalker for the how many times was it the third time this week, yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay, so we're gonna start with the first of our Halloween movies. That's right, it's Karate Kid from 1984.
Guys, can you see this visual right here?

Speaker 1 Yes, we can.

Speaker 2 So can you, Dan, can you describe for me what are the classic iconic Halloween costumes from Karate Kid?

Speaker 1 Well, I'm going to start with the bad kids first. Of course, the Cobra Kids.

Speaker 2 Okay, not the way the pictures are ordered on the slide, but that's fine.

Speaker 1 Okay. The Cobra Kai dojo is wearing some skeleton costumes.

Speaker 1 It's like a bodysuit with

Speaker 1 all of the torso and leg bones on it. And then they've done makeup.
for the faces to make it look like they've got eye sockets rather than eyes, noses, et cetera.

Speaker 1 They have like a like a white hood to give the impression of a bald cat well one

Speaker 2 like yeah one of them is a skeleton with hair well that that's because the hood came off the the cow the bald calf came off uh how would you

Speaker 2 well first how would you guys rate these costumes before we go on to danny's costume how would you rate these skeleton costumes

Speaker 1 What's the rating scale?

Speaker 2 The rating scale goes from zero, which means bad costume, to 10, which means, is that a real skeleton walking towards me?

Speaker 1 What a costume.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with seven there's not like this is not like a fancy costume but it's a good execution of like a classic costume like these are you know pretty menacing skeleton guys yeah i'm i'm a sucker for something that looks like a classic costume that's still a costume yes uh and uh so yeah i'll say a seven as well yeah yeah

Speaker 1 spooky i mean

Speaker 1 i would have gone high

Speaker 2 i think i think what what really tips this over to me is the group aspect of it.

Speaker 2 There's only two of them in this picture here, but there's at least, I think, four of these guys wearing these costumes.

Speaker 3 Well, how do we know that?

Speaker 1 Because you've seen Karate Kid.

Speaker 2 But it's a, I like the idea that they all coordinated. We're all going to play skeletons.
We're going to jump around and kick this other guy's butt. And I think the as skeletons do.

Speaker 2 And I have to assume that they practice the skeleton dance from the Disney cartoon of the same name.

Speaker 2 We just don't see it in the movie. I think this is a great skeleton costume.
Dan, why don't you tell me about the other main costume people may remember from Karate Kid?

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 This is a shower costume.

Speaker 1 You've got a sort of a circular

Speaker 1 frame from which a shower curtain has been hung, a polka dotted shower curtain. And then you've got the shower head poking out on top with, I think it's sort of like streamers, like sparkly streamer

Speaker 1 simulating the water. And of course, in the movie, this is functional because it allows Daniel to go to the Halloween party hidden from the Cobra Kai who want to kick his ass.

Speaker 1 And he can, you know, pull Elizabeth's shoe inside this shower thing. For canoodling? Yeah, canoodling.
Making a shoeer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, maybe not a great costume for the people around this shower. It takes up a lot of space, but

Speaker 1 otherwise, very clever.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So, Stuart, give me your rating on this costume.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I think this is a great costume. I think it was probably pretty hard to see what's going on outside of the costume.

Speaker 1 I mean, for accuracy, this is clearly like an eight. Like, that's a pretty impressive thing.
It does look like there's just a shower in the middle of the room. It doesn't seem like that.

Speaker 3 I didn't even know that was a costume, honestly.

Speaker 2 You just thought that

Speaker 1 all these people were waiting around to shave their costumes.

Speaker 1 They want to shower off the makeup that they have on from their costumes.

Speaker 2 That makes sense. So, Hallie, you thought it was that, would you give it a high mark for?

Speaker 3 I would give it, yeah, I would give it, let's go nine.

Speaker 3 I love a homemade costume. Like, that's my objection.
The skeleton one, you can buy that at a store. But someone who is Daniel put a lot of effort into making that shower.

Speaker 2 You don't know that the Cobra Kaiser guy didn't screen print those skeleton body sockings. Maybe they did that.

Speaker 1 The school screen printing layer.

Speaker 3 I gave it a seven, but I'm giving the shower a nine. I love it.

Speaker 2 And Dan, what about you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm also going to give it a nine. It's clever.
It's well executed.

Speaker 1 If I was around it again, like it takes up a lot of space. I wouldn't necessarily like it.
But,

Speaker 1 you know, if...

Speaker 1 ralph macchio pulled you inside the canoodle you'd be a great place to canoodle with ralph macchio but also

Speaker 1 dan um

Speaker 1 but also like

Speaker 1 you know if you're wearing this thing and you're not hiding from cobra kai it has the advantage of there are a lot of uh costumes you could wear that make it very hard to drink or eat He's like basically just like in normal clothes inside the shower.

Speaker 1 So that's convenient. And Dan, you're kind of shy.
So it's a nice costume for a shy person.

Speaker 2 You could pretend to to be somebody else while you're in it. Oh, yeah, it's me, Bruno.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And suddenly you're the most popular guy in the party. Yeah.
Usually the harmonica.

Speaker 2 I'm surprised because I have to say, my opinion of the shower, I would give it like a two, this costume. It looks like a real shower, but one, it is a pain for both him and everyone around him.

Speaker 2 He has trouble seeing out of it. People are bumping into it all the time.
But also,

Speaker 2 what's fun about...

Speaker 2 a shower? Like, what's fun about being a shower for Halloween? A skeleton?

Speaker 1 Cool. A shower?

Speaker 1 What? No, what? Why don't you just be an ironing board for Halloween? Why don't you just be a toaster for Halloween?

Speaker 3 My son was a washing machine for his first Halloween costume, and he loved it, and it was a great costume.

Speaker 3 I feel like that's the funniest thing to be something for Halloween that nobody expects you to be.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 the fun of it is you're a shower where a shower is not normally. Yeah,

Speaker 1 disruption. Oh,

Speaker 2 I understand.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 we certainly have a disagreement opinion here, but how would you make this movie into a Halloween horror movie?

Speaker 2 How would you get Mike Myers to get it?

Speaker 1 I feel like the answer to all of these Elliot is to add Mike Myers, Michael Myers to them. Yeah, but then what happened? Let's go a little bit further.

Speaker 2 But how did we have, do we have, so do Michael Myers like, does he go after the Cobra Kai guys first and they try to fight him and they're defeated? And then at the end, Danielson.

Speaker 3 What if he steps out of the shower in a towel?

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh, Michael Myers did? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or

Speaker 1 Michael Myers is, you know,

Speaker 1 he's been, I guess he doesn't really die the way that Jason does and get resurrected i was i but i was thinking like maybe cobra kai like summons michael myers somehow to try and take daniel down not realizing that michael myers is not discerning and who he's gonna okay could be it's more of like a pumpkin head type situation yeah yeah or like the yeah i mean of course michael myers would show up and then the cobra kai guys would try and defeat him using their karate doesn't work you can't switch his leg can't uh but then daniel is able to defeat him by using because he is a more soulful fighter and mr miyagi is he aware of michael Myers?

Speaker 2 Like, oh, no, I've got to, I've got this, I have to teach you the ways of stopping this guy. Or is that a

Speaker 1 he learned about him back in

Speaker 1 the war he was involved in?

Speaker 3 And then Michael Myers is walking by and he catches him with chopsticks.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, he does. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There you go. We figured that one out.
All right. Well, let's move on to the next Halloween movie.
That's right. It is to kill a mockingbird from 1963.

Speaker 2 Hallie, can you describe the spooktacular costume that Scout is wearing in this scene?

Speaker 3 Scout is wearing something that looks kind of like a bowling pin without the very top knob of it, except it's, I mean, it's gray because this is a black and white photo, but I'm assuming it's brown in, you know, technique color.

Speaker 3 And it's labeled ham.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yep. And there's like a little slot for her to look at.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 There's a little eye slot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So this is her ham costume from the Halloween pageant and To Kill a Mockingbird. My favorite thing about this this costume is that it's straight from the book.

Speaker 2 And in the book, there's something very funny about her having to dress as a ham. And in the movie, they just go with it.
They don't try to make it cool.

Speaker 2 They just give you this big, clumsy ham costume. So thank you for the description.
Hallie, how do you rate this costume? Man, it's adorable.

Speaker 3 And it's so funny that it's labeled ham because you wouldn't know what the fuck it is.

Speaker 3 So, you know,

Speaker 3 it's so endearing.

Speaker 3 I give it a seven.

Speaker 2 Okay, Dan Stewart, how do you you feel? Do you agree?

Speaker 1 I'm going to say this doesn't look anything like a ham. I'm giving it a two.
Oh, wow. Wow.

Speaker 1 I'm gave it here, folks. I'm going.
I can hear Scout's tears.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going way far in the other direction. I'm going to give it a 10.
Okay. Oh, congratulations for Stewart.

Speaker 2 I was like, Hallie and Stewart were on opposite ends of the scale. Are you going down the Z axis this time, Dan, to the third dimension?

Speaker 1 No, I love this. I love this costume.
I disagree that it doesn't look like a ham. Like, it looks like, you know, like one of those big, those big hams, like the full ham that you would get.

Speaker 1 Like it doesn't look like a John ham. Yeah.
Like your full hammer. It looks like John Ham as Fletch.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I like this, you know, it's like this old-fashioned, like, I guess, paper-mâché costume of a ham that also is labeled ham on it.

Speaker 1 What could be better than that?

Speaker 2 All right. I love this costume.
I think it's great. It is not the best costume, though, for when you're being chased by Michael Myers.

Speaker 2 So how do we, how, to kill a mockingbird, how do we make this title literal and insert Michael Myers and the Halloween franchise into this movie? And now this is, do we set it? It's set in the past.

Speaker 2 Is this a, is this, did Michael Myers fall through a time warp? Is this some sort of a prequel? Or is this Michael Myers' grandfather? How do we, how do we deal with that?

Speaker 3 Michael Myers is on trial for raping a white woman.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, that is engaging with the plot of to kill a mockingbird.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 2 it's not the best way for us to do it, but it really upends

Speaker 2 the novel and the movie's plea for tolerance if the

Speaker 2 if the accused party, the falsely accused party is a slasher killer.

Speaker 3 Hey, he's a slasher killer. He's not a rapist.

Speaker 1 Good point.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's got to be for the right crime.

Speaker 1 I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Michael Myers Sr. Sr., maybe is the one perpetrating these crimes.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's because the tainted bloodline of Michael Myers. And I was thinking you end up with a Boo Radley-Michael Myers fight because Boo Radley is kind of like a good guy, Michael Myers.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And he takes his

Speaker 1 doll.

Speaker 2 And his name says has Boo in it, which sounds scary.

Speaker 1 Automatically scary. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then maybe it turns out that Boo Radley's a ghost. I don't know.
I'm just throwing ideas out here. Let's move on to the next movie.

Speaker 2 So there's another spooktacular Halloween classic that's about children doing things they shouldn't on Halloween, perhaps playing with things they shouldn't. And that's Meet Me in St.
Louis from 1944.

Speaker 2 Classic movie musical, one of the greatest of all original two-film musicals.

Speaker 2 And in the Halloween scene, this for people people who haven't seen it,

Speaker 2 Margaret O'Brien and one of the other sisters, I forget their little kids, they dress up in costumes from the era when Halloween costumes weren't specific things so much as just putting on whatever.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 they

Speaker 1 prank.

Speaker 2 the one neighbor in the town that's coded as an immigrant or perhaps non-Christian.

Speaker 2 And then they gleefully have a bonfire and then throw a mannequin in front of a trolley and they get in trouble for it, but they're just so gleeful.

Speaker 2 Even while Margaret O'Brien is being spanked for that, she has this smile on her face because she's so happy that she threw a mannequin in front of a trolley and made everyone scared.

Speaker 2 So, guys, first, first, Suart, can you describe these costumes that these girls are wearing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they look like a couple of ragamuffins wearing oversized coats and hats and scarves and sweatshirts. And they have like soot or something smeared on their faces, as well as

Speaker 1 one young lady is holding a skeleton mask, and the other

Speaker 1 child has a large nose, maybe a fake nose, and a a pair of glasses.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and a kind of a bowler hat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, yeah, I'd say the shorter girl. The other one's wearing like a blossom hat.

Speaker 2 It's like a pirate hat with two big flowers on it. It does look like a blossom hat.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The shorter girl looks sort of like a hobo with an Orson Welles nose added to the mix. And then, yeah, and then we do have this mask that looks like kind of like a Tim Burton stop motion

Speaker 1 project figure.

Speaker 3 Is that supposed to be a skeleton mask or a gorilla mask?

Speaker 1 Maybe it's a gorilla skeleton.

Speaker 2 So guys, what are your grades for these costumes? Dan, I'm going to start with you again.

Speaker 1 I mean, I really like that mask. I think that mask is super cool.

Speaker 1 The rest of it is just kind of a mishmash. So I'm going to go with a three.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 I don't want to knock them points just for maybe not having the resources to get some really nice costumes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, or the know-how. This is pre-even bad ham costume technology.

Speaker 2 This is made in the 40s and set at the turn of the century. So they really didn't have the kind of costume know-how that we have to do.

Speaker 1 There's just not enough of a singular vision here presented. So

Speaker 1 I will also say a two.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 I think that this smaller one is being handicapped by being...

Speaker 3 grouped in with the bigger one because I think that the smaller one's costume is better who who's wearing the bowler hat and actually looks like a hobo.

Speaker 3 So I feel like that could be Wallace Sean, and I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 3 I think that I would give her a six and the other girl two.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. Okay.
And so now is the question. Have any of you seen Meet Me in St.
Louis? Are you familiar with this movie at all?

Speaker 1 No. I've seen clips from it, but I've not seen it.

Speaker 2 You are missing out. It's a beautiful movie.
It's really fun. It's really wonderful.
So then I guess it's going to be hard for you to tell me how to insert Michael Myers into this. So it's the story.

Speaker 2 It's set in 1905.

Speaker 1 Michael Myers

Speaker 1 wins a free ticket to St. Louis.
I love it. Okay.
He's going to the St. Louis.

Speaker 2 So it's all about there's getting ready for the St. Louis fair that they're going to go to, the St.
Louis, you know, World's Fair or whatever. So you think Michael Myers ends up there.

Speaker 2 And the big thing is, the big thing is that.

Speaker 1 Wait, it's a World's Fair? Something like that, yeah. So Michael Myers builds a murder house.
Okay. And he drinks people who come to the World's Fair and he kills them.

Speaker 2 Not usually known for his architecture skills, but that's an interesting wrinkle at the edge of the thing it is an interesting and and the big thing at the world's fair in this one is electric lights so maybe the lights all go out at some point you know michael myers realizes how to turn off the electricity um but anyway i would recommend it of all the movies on this list that we've been talking about today i think it's probably my favorite so it's not just a lot of people know this movie for uh the song have yourself a merry little christmas and they say oh that's a christmas movie it's a halloween movie everybody A lot of the movie takes place at Halloween.

Speaker 2 Fight me about it. I don't care.
Meet me in St.

Speaker 1 Louis. Anyway,

Speaker 2 you know, I know what you guys are thinking. There's a classic Halloween movie with a classic costume that we have not gotten to yet.
Don't worry. We're just about to.
I wouldn't put it off for long.

Speaker 2 So here it is. Jura number two from last year.
Right. This is Jura number two, directed by Clint Eastwood.

Speaker 2 And there's one scene that's set at Halloween where our main character and his wife are dressed as the American Gothic couple from Grant Wood's classic painting, American Gothic couple.

Speaker 1 That's supposed to be a father-daughter, I learned recently, not a couple. Well, Dan,

Speaker 1 I can't tell. All I can say is I'm not going to stop.
Just dropping some art trivia, that's all.

Speaker 2 Well, take it up with Grant Wood and take it up with Clint Eastwood.

Speaker 1 Hey, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 Grantwood? Clint Eastwood?

Speaker 2 The same guy.

Speaker 1 You blew this whole thing wide open.

Speaker 2 So what do you think about this costume? Let's talk about it. Dan, why don't you describe this costume?

Speaker 1 For anyone who hasn't seen American Gothic. it's, yeah, I mean, it's a little obscured by trick-or-treaters in the forefront of the frame, but it's, you know, it's a couple from American Gothic.

Speaker 1 If you've seen American Gothic, there's a woman with like sort of a

Speaker 1 well, what I kind of think of as like a Puritan collar,

Speaker 1 black dress, and she's got her hair parted down the middle, slicked down. We've got Nicholas Holt over here as the man in the pair.
She's got a pretty

Speaker 1 ball cap on,

Speaker 1 And she has

Speaker 1 a pitchfork that looks like it's got like spider webs on it or something. I don't know what's going on there.

Speaker 2 I think he tried to Halloween up the idea of American authority. And also, I think it's hard to see in this image, but I think he also is wearing, he's wearing overalls.

Speaker 2 I think he also has like fake belly or something like that.

Speaker 2 But yeah, so how would you guys rate this costume? And you can rate it on scariness or you can rate it on authenticity to the original painting.

Speaker 1 I think this isn't very good. I think that, you know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It's just like it doesn't, it's not a super well-done representation of the painting.

Speaker 1 And I guess that's all I'm ranking it on. And so I'm going to give it a two.
Wow. Okay.
Still gets a two, though.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give it a four because I think this is a really good representation of a couples costume made by people who have a little bit of enthusiasm about it, but they don't go all the way to really do a very good job.

Speaker 1 So I think it's a very believable couple's costume.

Speaker 2 Realistic. And also Nicholas Holt, at this point, he is still grappling with the fact that someone, he is on the jury for a trial for someone who is accused of a crime he seems to have committed.

Speaker 2 And so I don't think he has a lot of emotional energy for a more in-depth, you know, complicated costume than this one right now.

Speaker 1 Hallie, what do you think?

Speaker 3 Well, maybe then I'll say this is sort of a meet-me-in-St. Louis situation.
I think the woman's costume is way better than his because clearly it's the bald cap that's ruining his.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have to, he should have shaved his head. It's hard, it's hard not to notice this very bad bald cap.
With a bald head, we've seen him recently with a bald head. It's true.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he looks good with a bald head, face all painted, silver teeth. You know, he could, he could, uh, he doesn't, he could shave his head, but you're right.

Speaker 2 I think it's, I think the bald cap really is the real weakness of this costume.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I'll give her a five and him a one.

Speaker 2 Wow, someone's finally broken the two barrier. Amazing.
Sorry, juror number two. You've got, I I mean, again, getting a low score in the costume content.

Speaker 1 Juror number one.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I thought you were going to say this juror number two's costume is number two.

Speaker 2 So how would you bring Michael Myers into this movie? I don't know if you guys have seen it.

Speaker 2 It's a taut, almost Paul Schrader-esque

Speaker 2 examination of guilt and the need for repentance and what happens if you don't repent.

Speaker 1 I feel like Michael Myers is also one of the jurors.

Speaker 1 I think you're giving this movie way too much credit. But also,

Speaker 1 I would say, what if Michael Myers is on trial for the killing? Because why wouldn't you suspect Michael Myers? And this guy

Speaker 1 sort of like feels a little less guilty because he's like, well,

Speaker 1 if Michael Myers goes to jail instead of me, that's probably all for the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like, maybe he might not have committed the crime I committed, but you know what?

Speaker 1 We got to take this guy down somehow. Yeah, it's a real

Speaker 2 tax evasion thing where it's like, maybe this isn't the crime you thought you'd get him for, but it's something.

Speaker 2 I like the idea of him being on the jury, too. So maybe it's a little bit of both.

Speaker 2 Maybe Michael Myers is, it's like a secret of my success type situation where he's pretending to be more than one person

Speaker 2 on trial and on the jury.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, real the clumps.

Speaker 2 It is a real the clumps. Put that quote on the juror number two box.

Speaker 1 Mr. Williams says, a real the clumps.
We've got one more movie before we're going to go to a break.

Speaker 2 So, guys, there's another movie that no, no joke this time is a real great kind of like Halloween scene movie. And I'm sure you've all seen it.
And of course, that is E.T. from 1982.

Speaker 2 So many Halloween costumes, so much stuff. Similarly, kind of the, this is pre when kids were expected to go out and buy really good costumes.

Speaker 2 This is when kids are still throwing their own costumes together. So why don't each, why don't each of you take a turn at describing one of these costumes that we're seeing on screen.

Speaker 2 Hallie, you want to go first? Pick whichever one you like.

Speaker 3 E.T. is dressed like

Speaker 3 a lady, maybe like a grandma. It's sort of a grandma vibe.
Also, wearing a, would you say that's a bowler hat?

Speaker 1 A flower and a

Speaker 3 blonde,

Speaker 3 luxurious wig, a string of pearls, a shawl, and

Speaker 1 sort of like a

Speaker 1 floral gown.

Speaker 3 Looks kind of like a nightgown a little bit.

Speaker 2 There's elements of it that are kind of like if he's, he couldn't decide whether he was going to go as Carol Kane or Stevie Nicks for Halloween, so they both kind of ended up in the same instant.

Speaker 1 Never mind,

Speaker 1 yeah, E.T. drag icon.

Speaker 1 Did you hear what I said? No, I didn't.

Speaker 3 Oh, he looks like our friend Delaney.

Speaker 2 You know what? I could see, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 2 I could see this as a Delaney costume. Yeah, this is a person we know.
So

Speaker 2 if Delaney is listening, which he's not,

Speaker 2 great E.T. costume every day.

Speaker 2 So, Stuart, why don't you take a costume? Which one do you you want to take?

Speaker 1 Well, we got a

Speaker 1 little kid dressed up like a hobo with a bowler hat and a knife sticking in his head. Got a five o'clock shadow.
Is this a reference to something I'm not understanding?

Speaker 2 I don't think so. I think some of these costumes are supposed to be like, again, you're throwing stuff together.

Speaker 2 Later on in this movie, I should have put these ones up too, that you see people just walking by. One of them is like a dog who's also a sailor.
Like they're just

Speaker 2 throwing things together, you know? And Dan, why don't you describe,

Speaker 2 why don't you describe Elliot's mom's costume.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we got Dee Wallace being what she is, which is a sexy mom. She's got like a cheetah print cat suit on.
She has a,

Speaker 1 you know, like kind of a Lone Ranger style mask. Her hair is up sort of in two,

Speaker 1 like two parts. Like there's like scrunchies or something.
Like, yeah, like almost like ears. It looks like she's got

Speaker 1 like a magic wand, like a fairy godmother magic wand, which doesn't really go with the rest of the thing But as we're saying these are thrown together costumes

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, it's a good look and I'll describe Elliot He's wearing a hooded sweatshirt and he's just painted his face like he's a zombie It's kind of green with kind of like black circles around his eyes

Speaker 3 I was like is he supposed to be ET? I couldn't figure that out.

Speaker 2 That would be very funny if he was like I'll go as E.T. So when people are chasing E.T., go get me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you go as me.

Speaker 2 And E.T.

Speaker 1 will go as this old lady.

Speaker 1 It will go as Delaney.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So how do you guys, how do you guys rate these costumes? And you can rate them as a group if you want, just to save some time, or you can rate them individually if you want.

Speaker 1 I mean, E.T. is clearly a 10.
This is a great look for 10s across the board. Fantastic, yeah.

Speaker 1 And like, you know, D. Wallace, I think, is a seven just because I think she's cute.
But and the hobo kid, maybe a five, and Elliot is like a one.

Speaker 1 I'll give Elliot more than that. There's something about a classic zombie face.

Speaker 3 I love Elliot. He looks so cute.

Speaker 1 He does.

Speaker 2 No, I look hideous, but he looks very cute. But I think what for his older brother, what does it for me is that he was like, I'll be a hobo with a knife through his head.

Speaker 2 And I feel like that takes it to a new conceptual level that he's a murdered hobo rather than just a hobo.

Speaker 1 You start putting a story together, like, what happened to this gentleman?

Speaker 3 Exactly. I feel like this is what every kid does is like for Halloween.
They're like, I'll be a nurse, but a zombie nurse or like a stabbed nurse.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think what I like about this movie is that

Speaker 2 these kids obviously did their own costumes.

Speaker 2 And I think it's, is it Gertie who dresses up E.T. in this way?

Speaker 2 So like, she did a great job if it was her doing that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then they're like, no, we can't do that. And they just put a sheet over E.T.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that I don't like as much. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Although, to be fair, if you, it's, but the idea is that E.T. is supposed to be Gurdy and he does not look like little Drew Barrymore in this costume at all.

Speaker 2 Like to put the sheet over him is the better move for the story.

Speaker 2 The thing about also D. Walsa's costume is within the context of the movie, she's not trick-or-treating.
She's not going to a party. She's just at her house handing out candy.

Speaker 2 And so it's really a lot to go.

Speaker 2 It's a big costume to put on just for that. So I got to give her credit for that.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to give all of them 10 out of 10.

Speaker 2 You know, also, but then the question before we go to a break, and don't worry, there's fewer movies on the other side of the break than there were on the front one.

Speaker 2 Before we go to break, how do we make this a Michael Myers Halloween movie? You've got a telekinetic alien in here. You know, how does that play into it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like this has to be like, you know, know, it is set in the suburbs. That's his natural hunting ground.
That is true. But this has to be like more.

Speaker 1 In the suburbs of Southern California, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A versus scenario, you know, a Freddy versus Jason,

Speaker 1 Cowboys versus aliens. You got Michael Myers versus ET.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no matter who wins, we lose. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Tell me about it.

Speaker 2 So what happens with Michael Myers versus ET? Play out the scenario a little bit. Hallie?

Speaker 3 Well, I had a different idea.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's hear that one. Okay, go on.
Bless it, yes, Andy.

Speaker 3 What if this is

Speaker 3 Michael Myers' redemption story and he comes in and kills all of the doctors and scientists who are holding

Speaker 3 E.T. and Elliott captive?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they can't stop his ass. They had their fucking guns swapped out for walkie-tonkies.

Speaker 1 Even Michael Myers can't resist the charms of E.T., the lovable alien.

Speaker 2 What, Nate, to be honest, I would love to see that movie where an alien comes down, the scientists take him, and the kids are like, no, no, let him go. And then

Speaker 2 unbeknownst to them, a slasher is on the prowl, and he really complicates their alien kidnapping thing. What a, what a fun.
It reminds me of a

Speaker 2 writer that some of us worked with, Mr. Rich Blomquist.
He said once about reading a screenwriting book where the screenwriter said, you have to have one unbelievable thing in your movie.

Speaker 2 You can have a vampire or you can have an alien, but you can't have an alien land on Earth and then a vampire bites him. And he was, and Rich was like, that sounds like a great movie.

Speaker 2 Why wouldn't you do that? I want to see that movie.

Speaker 2 So I think, so Michael Meyer. So they're.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like make a Predator movie where the Predator lands in fucking Transylvania and has to fight Dracula. That rocks.

Speaker 2 Wonderful. I would love that.
That'd be so great. AVP, Alien, Vampire, Predator.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's do it, everybody. Come on, Hollywood.

Speaker 2 Hollywood is the end of the world. Let's just do it.
Let's throw these concepts together.

Speaker 1 Come on, Ronald. Yeah, man.
Fuck. Out of business.

Speaker 1 Just do whatever. Let's do whatever.

Speaker 1 Do a silly one. Just for us.
Just do a silly one.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Just do an oops all monsters movie.
Why not? Let's just do it.

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Speaker 2 Okay, guys, welcome back to this Halloween, spooky post-Halloween, Halloween costume, Halloween movies mini. Let's go to our next movie.
Okay, guys,

Speaker 2 E.T. has a lot of costumes in it.
There's another movie that famously has a lot of Halloween costumes in it. That is, of course, Mean Girls.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about the 2004 version, not the musical version.

Speaker 2 I have not seen it. I do not know if they have Halloween costumes in it.
They probably do. It's pretty much the same movie.

Speaker 1 It is the same ones.

Speaker 2 This is the movie Mean Girls. As our resident Mean Girl, Dan, would you like to describe some of these costumes?

Speaker 1 Well, there are many of them fetched.

Speaker 1 The idea of this, of course, in the movie is that Katie, having come from uh from being homeschooled in africa does not realize that among uh these these girls the uh point of halloween is to dress up in sexy costumes and so they are you know like various sexy animals i guess like your your cats and your uh it looks like regina is like a rabbit uh

Speaker 1 but uh it's a regular zootopia just sexy animals just running around but our heroine is uh dressed as a disney's robin hood as sort of a zombie bride with a big

Speaker 1 guys.

Speaker 2 I hate to interrupt you, Dan. This is not perfect.
Do you think Disney's Robin Hood and Zootopia are set in the same universe?

Speaker 1 Probably, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, at least a few years later, different eras.

Speaker 1 A few years later.

Speaker 1 The zoo society, you know, advances so quickly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's true, because animals are smarter than people.

Speaker 1 What if it started? And they live shorter lives.

Speaker 2 You go through the generations much faster. So, Hallie, would you agree with that? Then Robin Hood must be, what, like, 40, 50 years before zootopia

Speaker 3 yeah

Speaker 1 all right

Speaker 1 what are you guys talking about again no i i mean i remember zootopia better than robin hood is that sad

Speaker 1 is it sad is it sad i don't know what's sad anymore so much sad that it's hard to say

Speaker 2 are these mean girls costumes sad hallie as our other resonant mean girl how do you feel about these costumes I feel

Speaker 1 oh, you know what?

Speaker 2 Never mind. Nope, go on the follow that tangent.
Where's your mind taking taking you?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I was going to anticipate a movie.

Speaker 1 Oh, but it might show up later. Yeah, it might show up.

Speaker 2 You can see my list. So don't talk about that.

Speaker 3 No, yeah, I don't think. Okay,

Speaker 1 whatever.

Speaker 3 I will say these are, you know what? I love Amanda Siefried's costume because that's a dress that I would have worn in the 90s.

Speaker 1 That kind of baby doll dress? Yep.

Speaker 3 With

Speaker 3 the high ribbon.

Speaker 2 Very, very like kind of regency period to have that ribbon very high, not at the waist, but

Speaker 2 below the bust slightly.

Speaker 2 What about the ears? Would you have worn those little, what are they like? Mouse.

Speaker 1 Mouse ears?

Speaker 3 Yeah. No, I wouldn't have.
Okay. I mean, these are like whatever.

Speaker 1 Maybe because you didn't wear the ears, though. There's like no costume.

Speaker 3 I know. I just like the dress.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. So you get a 10 because you like that dress.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I think that I like Lindsay Lohan's costume.
It's kind of funny.

Speaker 3 Which one? You think that was your mom's wedding dress?

Speaker 2 Oh, she's the bride. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You don't know who Lindsay Lohan is?

Speaker 1 I don't remember which one is which.

Speaker 3 You're looking at them.

Speaker 1 You're literally looking at their pictures. She looks different.

Speaker 2 She's in costume with a wig and everything. It doesn't look like her.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. They're fine.

Speaker 1 They're fine.

Speaker 2 Okay, so Stuart, what's your opinion? As our third resident Mean Girl, what do you think about these mean girl costumes?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say

Speaker 1 Regina George's costume, obviously, is incredible. Everything she does is perfect.
She rules. Katie didn't quite get the brief.
She didn't realize she was supposed to be a little bit sexy.

Speaker 1 That's not scary. Nobody wants a scary costume.

Speaker 2 You're saying it's less sexy,

Speaker 2 a woman with blood pouring out of her mouth is less sexy than, say, like a mouse or a cat or a bunny.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've never quite, I mean, like, I get that they're low-cut and whatnot, and there's like it's an excuse to wear a bodysuit, but the sexiness of the animal side of it has always eluded me.

Speaker 1 But I have some very interesting artworks I would like to show you after the.

Speaker 1 I'm aware that, like, other people have there's a certain tiger from Zootopia that I'd like to show you, Dave. That's fine.
If that's your thing, I'm not trying to say it's wrong.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying it's wrong. Well, I mean, if you if you act on that with an animal, there is a wrongness to say, there is a better danger.

Speaker 1 Once it leaves the realm of

Speaker 1 play acting, then yeah.

Speaker 1 So, what did you say, Stuart? We got off on it. Yeah, I don't remember.
Regina George rules the restaurant is great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, well, I'll agree with that.

Speaker 3 What about the man dressed as a soldier behind Lindsey Lohan?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Just kind of a standard soldier.

Speaker 1 Disrespect for our armed forces.

Speaker 1 Let's dance.

Speaker 3 No, thank you for your service.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the girls who are dressed in sexy outfits, like, look, I'm pro the idea of sexiness in general, but these are sort of pro-forma, like sexy Halloween customers. Why don't you dress a little sexy?

Speaker 1 Why don't you dress a little bit?

Speaker 1 What about darkening up a little bit? Yeah, I know. And I can smile more too.

Speaker 1 Dan, let your naughty side out. Smile, not smell more.

Speaker 1 He smells enough. Whatever you want, baby.

Speaker 1 It's just kind of standard. Like, those ones are like fine.
So

Speaker 1 how would you make them more interesting, Dan, for you personally? I'm just saying there's not a lot of

Speaker 1 innovation here or interesting.

Speaker 1 You're saying Lacey, that's Lacey Chaber, right? Yes. Yeah.
She should have like a whip or something, so she's more like a cat one.

Speaker 1 I didn't say that. No.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Katie.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Like it's a little more interesting, but it's also not like that different.
So I'm going to give it a five. Okay.
Yeah. All right.

Speaker 2 There you go. And how would you, I feel like this is one of the ones where it's the easiest.
How do you make this a Halloween movie with Michael Myers?

Speaker 2 I feel like there's such a thin line between mean girls and a standard slasher movie in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 You see, you have the girl who's the outcast. You have the mean girls.
The slasher kills the mean girls one by one, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 3 I feel like Michael Myers is a new student student at the school.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 he would show up in a scary costume, which is not what he's supposed to. He's supposed to dress sexy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but then Lindsay Lohan is like, I get you. We both come from different worlds.
And then they have the romantic storyline.

Speaker 1 Not Aaron Samuels. Or let me pitch you that Michael Myers

Speaker 1 becomes the most popular kid in school and everyone else wants to be a slasher to be like Michael Myers. Because he does like a cool skateboard trick at least, probably.

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 2 So he's just, everyone's just killing each other all the time in this school.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you call it slasher high. This would be fun.
This is a fun movie. Yeah, we did it.

Speaker 2 We did it. Okay, guys.
So that's Mean Girls coming up next. We've got another movie that's also about a teen who can't quite fit in.
That's right. It's Donnie Darko from 2001.

Speaker 2 Now, I'm curious what you guys will think about this costume because it's a little reminiscent of something we've seen before. Stuart, can you describe this costume?

Speaker 1 So you have Jake Gyllenhal. He is wearing...

Speaker 1 And that's not part of the costume.

Speaker 2 That's the actor. He's not dressed as Gyllenhall.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The main character, Donnie Darko, is wearing a like looks like a black bodysuit with a print of a skeleton to make it look like you're just seeing straight through his flesh to just the bones.

Speaker 1 And on top of that, he is wearing a gray hoodie. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So it's a little bit of a mashup of the Karate Kid and ET costumes in a way.

Speaker 1 Kind of, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So do you guys give this more points for being a clever combination, or do you take off points for being a kid?

Speaker 1 It's clearly a reference to the fact that Drew Barrymore is in this movie and in E.T.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But how does the karate kid aspect?

Speaker 1 Because he's wearing a hoodie.

Speaker 1 That's what I said. The trademark hoodie from E.T.

Speaker 2 Everybody remembers.

Speaker 3 I'm telling you to this conversation. I'm getting very confused.

Speaker 2 That's fair. And I also hear my special guest, Elliot Gould.

Speaker 1 Come on in.

Speaker 1 No, I give this a one because this is a lazy man's costume. He's just like,

Speaker 1 I'll put on this like thing that has a skeleton on it and then I'm not going to do any makeup for my face at all. And I'm going to put a hoodie on.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you see he's still wearing a watch. Like he really,

Speaker 2 what skeleton is wearing a watch? Skeletons don't care about what time it is. They're dead.
It would fall right off. Yeah, thank you.
You can't make it tight enough. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I agree with you. I feel like this is a lazy costume.
Again, Donnie has some things going on in his life emotionally at this time.

Speaker 2 Not juror number two type emotional stuff. I mean, he's not on, he's not in a jury for on a crime that he committed.
Yeah, but he's supposed to, like, he should have been dead.

Speaker 1 Like, that's, I feel like that's a pretty high level.

Speaker 2 You'd think it would inspire him to have a better Halloween costume, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, how do you include Michael Myers? Yeah,

Speaker 3 you got another day. You got a new lease on life.
Throw that joy into the Halloween costume.

Speaker 2 Live every day like it's your last end of that day is Halloween. Come on.

Speaker 1 I know how to do this one. So Donnie's watching, he's at the movie theater watching one of his favorite movies, one of the Halloweens.

Speaker 1 and then Michael Myers just like climbs through the screen, showing the true magic of cinema before he starts butchering the town.

Speaker 1 I guess okay, yeah, I guess there's a scene where Donnie goes to the movies, but otherwise, it doesn't seem to be like linked to the but doesn't he like imagine something happens with the screen or something?

Speaker 1 Uh, no, well, I mean, like, there's a tube that comes out of Donnie's like chest that sort of is like a time to like he can see

Speaker 1 like the paths of time.

Speaker 1 Here's what that is. That time tube is like a purple rose in Cairo situation.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the time tube comes out. Michael Myers pops out of it.
He's slashing around and then it's a fight between Michael Myers and that bunny from that mean bunny from Donnie Darco.

Speaker 1 Frank, yeah.

Speaker 2 Frank, the original bad bunny.

Speaker 1 And I guess Harvey would be the original.

Speaker 2 Actually, Peter Rabbit would be the original bad bunny, right? You know, he's stealing from McGregor's farm and stuff.

Speaker 1 Bad bunny.

Speaker 1 Went to bed without his dinner. And Peter Rabbit did do a halftime show at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah, somebody emailed Benito and tell him to change his nom diger.

Speaker 2 So I think we can, I think we get.

Speaker 2 But how does it end? Who would win at the end? Does Michael Myers just kill everybody? I mean, Donny Darko's going to die eventually at the end of the movie. Spoiler relief.

Speaker 1 It's more like a plane falls on him or something, right?

Speaker 2 A plane falls on Michael Myers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, on both of them. Yeah, it's a real anticlimax of an ending.

Speaker 2 It's a real hell in the Pacific of an ending, yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay, guys, the next movie, This is a director we've already seen on the list, a director who is known for telling tales with intensity, thrills, adventure, a maister of modern horror. That's right.

Speaker 2 We got another Clint Eastwood movie on here. It's a Perfect World from 1993.
This is a kind of small-scale crime drama starring Kevin Costner and a little kid.

Speaker 2 And Hallie, can you describe this little kid's costume?

Speaker 3 Well, he appears to be dressed as Casper.

Speaker 3 He's wearing a plastic Casper mask, but then he's wearing a white sweatshirt with just a picture of Casper on it. So there are two Casper faces in this costume, which is a little confusing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and neither of them is Casper Van Dien, which is even more confusing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But this is what I like about old costumes where it's like, you know, they weren't confident.
They couldn't make the costume look enough like the thing it was.

Speaker 1 So they would also just put a picture of what it was on the shirt that the person wore, which is just a classic Halloween move, I think.

Speaker 1 Elliot's wandered away and he's kind of driving this.

Speaker 2 Sorry, I just realized that when my son had come in earlier, he had left the door open.

Speaker 1 So I wanted to do it. Yeah, you were worried that he might come in and see this spooky ghost on the screen.
He'd get scared. He'd be so frightened.

Speaker 3 And get an idea of a Halloween costume.

Speaker 2 Now, this is clearly a store-bought costume. I think we can all see that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's a big world.
It's possibly stolen. It's a big plum.
Yeah, you never know.

Speaker 2 It's a stolen costume. That's true.
But

Speaker 2 it's not a homemade costume, and it's a big plot point in this movie.

Speaker 1 Have you guys ever seen a perfect world? Yeah, he doesn't have a 3D printer printing out vacuum form masks.

Speaker 2 No, have you guys ever seen A Perfect World? Yeah,

Speaker 1 back in the day. It's perfect.

Speaker 2 Okay, so you know, it's a good movie, and you know, that part of the plot is that this kid is at his family's Jehovah's Witness, so his mom will not let him celebrate Halloween.

Speaker 2 So it's not till he is taken hostage by a man on the run from the from jail that he's able to finally dress up as cast for the friendly ghost.

Speaker 2 Um, what do you guys think about, yeah, but what do you guys think about this costume in terms of scores? What scores you can give it? Not in terms of scores that the strip club, right?

Speaker 2 But in terms of scoring that costume,

Speaker 1 Okay, well, it's going to take me a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 it's store-bought. It's not that fancy.
So, like,

Speaker 1 you know, on the usual scale, it would get low marks, but I have such nostalgia for this type of old crappy costume that I think

Speaker 1 I can't go any lower than a six. Wow.

Speaker 2 It sucks.

Speaker 1 I give it a two.

Speaker 1 And Stuart, what do you say?

Speaker 1 I'm going to say it's a seven for me because it looks just like Casper.

Speaker 2 I mean, Casper does have a picture of himself on his chest.

Speaker 1 And hair.

Speaker 2 And hair peeking out. The back of Casper's head is just a regular kid's head with hair.
And Casper's eyes, where the pupils are, you do see other eyes behind them. You know, he's got double eyes.

Speaker 1 Like a doll's eyes, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is the kind of costume where

Speaker 2 if it was a modern day, you'd be like, oh, it's they went out and got a vintage costume, but it's set in the 60s. So this is, at the time, a current costume.

Speaker 2 And I don't know if that makes me like it more or less.

Speaker 2 If he's the kind of kid who's just wearing whatever costume he buys in the store, or if he's a Rushmore type kid who's going out of his way to get a vintage costume.

Speaker 2 So I think we've had a wide range of feelings about this, and I think they're all valid. How do we make this a Halloween Michael Myers movie?

Speaker 1 They're on the run, on the road.

Speaker 2 Do they run into Michael Myers somewhere?

Speaker 1 What if instead of the kid he takes Michael Myers?

Speaker 1 Well, like little Michael Myers, who also wore like a stupid

Speaker 2 LES was wearing that William Shatner and maybe this explains why how it got painted white like that at some point

Speaker 1 at the beginning of the movie right like that's what he's wearing at the is that why he's like that

Speaker 1 real funny killing people dance what

Speaker 1 maybe that's your idea of hilarity dance

Speaker 1 dance like that

Speaker 2 the famous comedy halloween in which funny man Michael Myers kills all these people um

Speaker 2 what if they're uh what if they're yeah I like that idea Or what if Michael Myers is the one who takes the kid hostage and he's got to learn how to be a slasher?

Speaker 1 And that's how it works. Like Lone Wolf and Cub.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. Yes, like Lone Wolf and Cub.

Speaker 3 What if Michael Myers is just a Jehovah's Witness

Speaker 3 and he's just like sort of an extra in this movie?

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 He just shows up in the background.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It would be funny

Speaker 2 if they're like, they're like, we're on the run.

Speaker 2 We're following this crook on the run. And they're like, we got a news flash.
There's also a guy murdering people at this suburb in California. Let them deal with it.

Speaker 1 We've got our own problem. And occasionally he's in the background just like watching them.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's more of a Where's Waldo than a Halloween movie.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 There's just one movie left on the list. This is another movie that is by a modern day master of scares, someone who brings such tension, such

Speaker 1 discomfort to the movies that they make. That's right.

Speaker 2 It is Affliction, directed by Paul Schrader from 1997.

Speaker 1 I remember a recent heartbeat. I remember a recent minute

Speaker 1 where you said, Dan, you can't just keep doing the same joke where you pretend that this is a small indie movie and it's a huge movie. Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 I'm being a hypocrite.

Speaker 1 Well, what can I tell you?

Speaker 2 I've changed. I now see it from the other side of the mirror.
And, Dan, I'm willing to admit I'm the big enough man to say I was wrong.

Speaker 1 You were wrong at the time, but now that I feel this way, you were right.

Speaker 2 And I'm right now.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 I think when the facts change, I change with them. You were wrong back then, but now obviously things have changed.

Speaker 1 And now you're right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So affliction, a story of violence between generations.

Speaker 2 It starts at Halloween. There really isn't a scene with Nick Nulty wearing a Halloween costume, but as you can see in this picture, he does have a kind of costume.

Speaker 2 Hallie, can you describe what he's wearing here?

Speaker 3 He's wearing

Speaker 3 an orange vest that says school. I'm assuming it's a crossing guard sort of vest.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

Speaker 3 And over his heavy winter coat along with orange gloves.

Speaker 2 Yep, that's it. So he's what he's dressed as a crossing guard.
I mean, it's not so much a costume because he is acting as a crossing guard in the scene, but but I think it's good enough.

Speaker 2 It's a movie that takes starts at Halloween, you know?

Speaker 2 So guys, how would you judge this costume?

Speaker 1 And I want you to judge it in two ways.

Speaker 2 But like Dave, you said what you're saying, and I'll tell you there's two ways.

Speaker 1 He's dressed as a crossing guard, but it's not the movie, the crossing guard. So it's too confusing for me.
And I just can't, I would have to give it a zero for that. But go on and say what the.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, I was going to say, judge it as a costume and also judge it as a Nick Nulty costume.

Speaker 1 How is it as a Nick Nulty costume? Yeah, he has

Speaker 1 on. Yeah.
No question. I would say the biggest problem with this is that

Speaker 1 if this is a Halloween costume, he has no bag to carry all the candy he's going to receive. So he gets a zero for me.
Wow.

Speaker 1 This is a new metric I just made up and did not apply to any of my past scores.

Speaker 2 Retroactively, you're not adding that to everyone because none of the others had bags with them, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, for some reason, the lack of bag is terminal to this customer.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I will say, I would give it a 10. You know exactly what he is.
As soon as you see him, he disappears into the role of crossing guard.

Speaker 3 Excellent.

Speaker 1 And I would say it's Hallie, because I would say also

Speaker 2 you know exactly what he is, but also. You would say, oh, crossing guard's not that scary.
If Nick Nulte was your crossing guard, you would be frightened.

Speaker 1 Don't move, don't move. Oh, the cars are coming.

Speaker 2 Like, it'd be really scary. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I think I'm going to. It's a what I love is that we've had such a range of responses for each of these costumes.

Speaker 2 Some of these costumes have big fans, and some have big detractors, sometimes the same, same costumes. And you guys have really made your feelings felt.

Speaker 1 That's what art's all about, Elliot. Exactly.
Yeah, it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Speaker 3 You think AI could do this?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. It couldn't do this, and it wouldn't want to do this.
Yeah, why?

Speaker 1 What could be the possible reason?

Speaker 2 So, finally, affliction. How do we make this into a Michael Myers Halloween movie?

Speaker 3 Michael Myers has to cross the street.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like Frogger, but with Michael Myers.

Speaker 2 It's called Slasher.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I think that's, yeah, the kids are on the other side of the street. Michael Myers is there.
He goes, oh, how am I going to get across? I don't know when it's going to be safe to cross.

Speaker 2 That's when a heroic crossing guard costume wearer

Speaker 1 goes, I'm not a real crossing guard, but I guess I'll step in and take the role.

Speaker 2 And he's like the hero of the moment.

Speaker 3 If you got me, then who?

Speaker 2 I got to be the change I want to see in the world. Better to light a candle than curse the darkness.
So he helps Michael Myers get across. Michael Myers kills those children.

Speaker 2 How does McBelby feel about it? I've got to imagine, probably

Speaker 2 torn because it's like

Speaker 2 he didn't want those kids dead. But at the other end, he did a great job of helping Michael Myers cross the street.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, it's a Paul Schrader movie. So, yeah, the tragedy fits.

Speaker 1 He can't drink or something. Can't look with himself at that point.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And then he falls in love with a robot as in Paul Schrader's masterpiece.

Speaker 3 And Prince of Tides is all just a memory of this.

Speaker 2 Now, wait, so what would it be if every Nick Nulty movie was the same character? So, like, then Prince of Tides comes before or after this one.

Speaker 1 That guy's having some mood swings.

Speaker 3 I mean, I feel like every Nick Nulty is just Nick Nulty.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's fair. It's all the same guy.
Yeah. Well, I'm glad we could enjoy our Halloween, our Halloween post-Halloween discussion and celebration.

Speaker 2 To wrap things up, just to remind you, Karate Kid, surprisingly high marks for the shower. Tequayla Mockingbird, surprisingly mixed results for the ham.
Meet me in St. Louis,

Speaker 2 not a big fan, mostly of the girls' costumes. Jer number two,

Speaker 2 a costume that was pretty roundly criticized. E.T., mixed, mean girls, mixed.
Donnie Darko, unimpressed.

Speaker 1 Perfect world.

Speaker 2 Unsure. And affliction, probably the highest to lowest swing that we've had.
Zero on one side, 10 on the other. Wow, it just doesn't doesn't get more exciting than this.

Speaker 2 I want to thank Dan, Seward, and Allie for being with me on this post-Halloween trip through Halloween movies. I'd like to thank you, the listener, if you're still here.
You may not be.

Speaker 2 And I want to thank our producer, Alex Smith, who has, he's the only person I know who is definitely going to have listened to the whole thing all the way through.

Speaker 2 Alex Smith, take a look for his own comedy and musical work online. He goes, performs, and puts it out under the name Howell Dotty.
His stuff is hilarious and he's incredibly talented.

Speaker 2 And I'd like to thank the Maximum Fund Network for continuing to allow us to be a member of it. If you liked this podcast, why not go to maximumfun.org and check out some of the other shows there.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of funny ones. There's some that'll touch your heart, some that'll touch your brain, and some that'll touch you in ways that you're not comfortable with now.

Speaker 2 But when you're older, you realize you learned something very valuable.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Not everything needs to be said. Yeah, you're right, dude.
It's true.

Speaker 2 Not every thought needs to be said. For the Flophouse, we'll be back next week as we start Movember, our November of all full-length episodes with lots of exciting guests.
Can't wait for it.

Speaker 2 Until then, though, I've been joined by the star of the show and my co-hosts, and they are

Speaker 1 Hallie Haglund, Dan McCoy, and little Stewie Wellington.

Speaker 2 Goodbye, everybody, or should I say, good boo?

Speaker 1 You shouldn't.

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