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Hello, everybody.

And welcome to Geek Enders.

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Hello.

Welcome to a very special Geek Enders.

We have an amazing guest today.

Very, very excited.

Sorry, the old ones are the old ones, aren't they?

Gentlemen, boys, girls, children of all ages.

Today,

we are blessed by actor, performer, BAFTA nominee, all-around nice person, Samantha Bayart, has joined us.

You may know Sam from the excavation of Hobbs Barrow or the Ace Attorney Chronicles or even

This little game.

I haven't played it yet.

I hear it's good called Baldur's Gate 3.

I guess it's doing pretty well in some circles of the internet.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I hear it's fine.

I hear it's all right.

It's a slow burn, Jesse.

It's a slow burn.

Right, right, right.

Yeah.

It's one of those, I hear it takes a while to get into.

Like, I haven't, yeah, I haven't.

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't create a character that at some point had to be held down by Carlak in order to save him from his own dark urges that were going to threaten to kill everyone.

And it formed a love story that stood the test of time.

And we went into the pits of hell in order to defeat evil for the rest of eternity.

I certainly wouldn't do that.

That seems very weird.

But for our purposes, I'm at Samantha at what I can only describe as a darkly lit, secret, I'm assuming cult meeting featuring Sam Lake and musical recording artist Poe.

So I assume like that, you know, I feel like that's a normal thing in LA that happened.

But

because of that,

here we are.

Yeah, and now we're here.

Welcome to the show.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That was back in November.

it's been a while it has been a while oh my goodness you were very shy and then i realized who you were when i went home i went mother of

you messaged me and were like why didn't you say something because i am terrible at promoting myself i always feel awkward being like hi i do stuff on the internet and i'm i never do that I'm just bad at it.

That's what you literally were like, yeah, I do stuff on the internet.

And it was like trying to get blood out of a stone because I'm going, I know the face.

And you know, when someone's in front of you in three dimensions, it's not in a box on a screen.

You know, it's really hard to place you.

And it just took me that, yeah, they call it a spirit d'escalier, spirit of the staircase.

As you're going away,

you go, ah,

that happens frequently.

All the time.

Normally, with like clever comebacks, right?

The perfect thing to say.

Always afterwards.

Yeah.

No, I vividly remember being like, I'm a big fan.

I think your work is great.

I was like, okay, I'm going to go now.

Yeah, it was pretty much that.

Well remembered.

Jesse is very rarely shy.

So I love imagining this.

Well, now I know about the dark urge romance.

It's all making a lot of sense.

Yeah.

That's what it is.

I don't want to, like, I don't.

I always feel weird being like, yes, I definitely, with the character that you played in this game, had a ongoing romance.

Like, it just, I don't, I'm like, don't make this weird.

Just don't make it weird, Jesse.

Don't make it weird.

And I'm like,

hello, it's so nice to meet you.

I'm used to it.

When I do signings at cons, you know, everyone's confessing their sins, their love, or things like that.

Yeah, you to know the impact.

They really want me to know and to, and to okay it, to sanction it.

Right.

They, they search your face for approval.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm like, it's your game.

You do what you need to do.

I don't need to know necessarily everything,

like really everything, but I'm glad you're having a good time.

Yeah, I will say I very much enjoyed the fact that

it wasn't, I think some of the other playthroughs of that game I've had, it's been like.

an extremely, I'm evil.

Here's my evil girlfriend.

We get naughty together all the time.

This version was like, I'm a bad guy who wants to be good and I found love and a person who's also broken and we're just going to go to hell and beat the crap out of demons together for eternity.

I was like, that rules.

That's it.

It was like a totally different vibe.

And I was

here for it and loved every minute of it.

It's conflict.

That's drama.

That is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You want a swell to the story.

And I love how, I don't want to see spoilers, but I love how

the Daxine you were talking about where Carla will take control of the situation.

She's so ride or die at that point.

Early on in the game, she's like, I didn't sign up for this.

I'm out of here.

And then by then, she's like, oh my God, we've all made mistakes.

It's fine.

I've murdered people in cold blood too.

Yeah.

I'll work it out.

Yeah.

True love.

True love.

We all murder people every now and again, but it's always after that.

That's oddly sweet, guys.

That's right.

Yeah.

Amazing.

I'm so excited to have you on here.

I'm excited that you said said you brought books to talk about.

You told me to bring things to talk about.

Like outside of the book.

Like, I've been reading.

I love that so much.

If you caught me a few weeks ago, I'd be like, I haven't read a book since I graduated from my English literature degree many years ago.

But now that's changed.

I started reading some books recently and I watched a movie.

What?

Yeah.

I

didn't change my movies very much.

I saw the substance and now I'm obsessed.

You know how, like, you know, how like with people with ADHD, you give them amphetamine and they calm down.

Like, they have the opposite effect of what it is on a neurotypical brain.

That's me and Extreme Horror.

Uh, it's very calming.

I find it quite hard to watch gory or slasher films because I'm like, yeah, special effects are good.

But this has such like the sort of main tale.

It's kind of like a very dark fairy tale if you haven't seen it.

Well, I watched the first half.

I fell asleep on the plane.

I had, I slept the sleep of bastards.

It was full out, just out.

Then they woke me up for breakfast.

Okay, I'm not that hard.

I made the mistake of having a bacon roll with lots of ketchup for the second half.

But I got through it.

And I think it's a masterpiece.

I've come out and watched that.

I'm watching interviews with Coralie Fargo, the director.

I just, yeah, it's been amazing.

Lots of ketchup for the second half of that movie is a mistake.

You're absolutely correct.

Eating.

It's a bloody ending.

Yeah.

I loved it.

The substance.

It's what Demi Moore and Margaret Qualey were nominated for Oscars and all.

Pitch it to me.

Body horror.

Extreme body horror.

That's the first thing.

Because if you don't like that, you're not going to have a good time.

Yeah.

Imagine a tale about

a Hollywood actor who has aged and is looking at the world of Hollywood around them and thinking, I remember being beautiful and young, and I would give anything to have that again.

And that anything leads to

one of the craziest but awesomest movies I've seen in a long time.

Yeah.

Very cool.

Yeah.

You've given her a lot of status there, though.

She's like a fitness instructor.

She's like a kind of Jean Fonder.

And she looks amazing at 50.

That's that's that's kind of the sad

film.

She looks incredible.

It's Demi Moore, who's 10 years older than the character she's playing.

Right.

And she's she's being, you know, at the very beginning, they fire her.

She's too old.

And so that's the end of her world.

And she's given, well, it seems a sort of devil's bargain.

Would you like to be a younger, more beautiful version of yourself?

It's very good.

It has that new thing that a lot of great horror movies do.

I'm nervous to watch.

You should be.

You should be.

It's freaky.

It's super freaky.

But

it's just insane.

It's bonkers.

I love it.

Absolutely bonkers.

Yeah.

And it's nothing like

that.

Cronenberg, Susperi, I think, is another instance.

Elephant Man's in there.

There's so many great horror.

Yeah, Carrie is in there, really, as well.

But, you know, a lot of Cronenberg, the fly and video drone scanners, it's all in there.

But I think if you're, you know, if you don't like long sequences of gore, it might not be the film for you.

I got you.

I feel like it depends on.

how they're going about it.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, well, I mean, again, because I've been thinking about it, it's like, it's as if the gore is like a manifestation of the inner turmoil.

Right.

Because it's so, um, it's so eating her up inside.

And I think that's quite hard to show on screen.

So then you have that body physical side and it is grotesque and it's unbearable.

And he will have feelings.

And I think that's, that's the genius of using that genre rather than trying to fit in within that genre, if that makes sense.

And I think that's what Cronenberg always did really well as well with his more extreme horror as well.

If that makes sense.

It has a point to it.

It isn't just like a slasher film.

It's one of those movies by the end, you're like, I got a moral message out of this, which I think is always good for horror, where it tells you something more than just a bunch of people died and the bad guy, maybe he got away.

There's like a layer to this that's great.

Yeah, very great.

If you've recently gotten back into reading,

there's a novella.

It will take you like no time to read.

There's a novella that I would recommend called Help Meat

that

is a little body horrory

and very like introspective about like the human experience, but

it's really, really good.

It's by Naban Ruthnam.

It's like a hundred pages, but I still think about that book all the time

because of the way that they used the like body horror element in it, you know?

So that's, that's why I'm like, depending on how the body horror feels in the movie, I might really enjoy it, but some

it depends.

So you'll know pretty quick.

I mean, it doesn't pull its punches.

You'll know pretty quick.

Yeah.

Fair enough.

I've got two very different books.

If you want me to talk about them briefly, come back.

How much time you've got, really?

So this is like the really serious one.

On camera, Lives of the Stoics.

Some of us are quite naturally stoic.

I think I'm naturally stoic.

But this writer, Ryan Holiday, and his great presence online, little quotes every day, he normally writes about the same three people.

And this is about, you know, 20 people that were part of that early school in Greece.

And they're really fascinating because

you've got Marcus Aurelius, he was an emperor, right?

And you've got Epictetus, who was a former slave, and they both come to the same conclusions.

I think that's absolutely fascinating.

How would you, really quickly, how would you describe stoicism?

For people who are like, I don't know what Stoics is.

I would say it's actually the basis of modern therapy.

I think if you see it that way, you know, one of the first things they say is to, you know, control the things you can control and let go of things that you can't.

You know, there's no point in working yourself up into an emotional turmoil when there's nothing you can do about it.

Unfortunately, a lot of people interpret that as have no feelings ever.

It's not about that.

It's more about being your own therapist and the answers are within.

Some of it was living a good life.

You know, how do we live a good life if you aren't religious?

And it's about making your own rules and sticking to them, really.

And that can be anything.

You could be a really bad person, as long as you stick to those rules.

I guess you're stoic.

So

it's it's not a religion it's a kind of philosophy but it's it's loosey-goosey for that reason and that we are supposed to find our own meaning in all of it

i watch chat tell me i'm wrong um and then i've got another book

this is a fun story i was at um san diego comic-con and you know uh peng penguin were there the publishers which i'm not used to seeing at any comms it was very fancy

and um i saw this book I hope I'm just a little bit delayed on the feet.

There we go.

This is Gail DiCarius, right?

This is Gail.

Very clearly.

Yes.

Yeah.

And he's got dice around him and all that.

And I was cracking up.

I put it on Instagram and I said, oh, of course, of course, Gail's in a romance book.

The author, Lenora Woods, tracked me down a couple of weeks later, as is her right, at

Fan Expo, Boston.

I've just come back from that.

And she said, no, it's not Gail.

It's got nothing to do with Gail.

But thank you for mentioning it.

And we signed each other's books.

So I wrote some quotes from Gail at how much, quotes from Carlak about Gail and books in general.

And she wrote happy adventuring without Gail.

But I will be imagining Gail.

That's very cute though.

There we go.

Yep.

I'm glad.

That's but I've posted it again and that's become quite quite a hit on Instagram with a lot of people going clearly Gail.

I was nervous that once tracked down, the conversation was going to be more like, please don't misrepresent my book.

So I'm glad that it.

Please wizards are Hasbro are after me now.

She never said Gail.

I didn't even know what the character's called.

But it's about Dungeons and Dragons and romance.

Right.

Well, that's.

And a man who reads books probably has a cat.

He looks like he's got a cat.

He has books that, um, where people have realized or the author themselves have admitted that it originally was a fanfic about like pre-existing characters, right?

That then the names got changed so that, it could be published as like a book on its own.

So I think, you know, I don't think that it's out of the realm of possibility.

Who knows?

I mean, if Wizards has broken, see how popular this post is.

Can we commission her to write some romance books about the characters?

They would do well.

It would do well.

I mean, they were right next to the official books, all the salvatory books.

They're right next to them.

So, there you go.

Yeah, if you want money, what we're saying is make some

great Baldur's Gate fanfic, throw in the characters.

It'll do well.

Yep.

We're just saying, that'll print.

Get on it.

Yep.

I have recently.

Jesse, did I talk at all about trying to read the trying to read?

Trying to read at all.

You can do it.

I believe in you.

I see.

Did I talk at all about trying to read

the Warhammer books?

I can't remember.

And how they're impossible to read because they throw in words like, Empericus Dedicatium of the experiential fleet of the 13th Legiorium and you're like what the hell yeah yeah yeah

so I've gotten a little bit further in Eisenhorn now and Eisenhorn is definitely easier to read than Infinite and the Divine

so anybody who is with me on on that same journey of like I would love to read a Warhammer 40k book but not one that's gonna make me feel like I'm waiting through goop to try and understand

have you ever listened to the audiobooks I haven't.

You know, Emma Gregory, who plays Mindara, narrates a lot of them.

Really?

I love an audiobook.

There we go.

And then someone else has to read the really horribly long words and you don't have to.

Yeah.

And they do the voice is where everyone talks like this.

Yeah.

Yes.

There we go.

No, I'm here for that because I always, when someone says it, so I know Dodger and I are currently playing through Rogue Trader.

Yeah.

And when there's voice acting, super easy to follow along.

I understand everything's happening.

The minute it asked me to read the things, I'm like, I don't know what this says.

I have no idea what this is supposed to be.

And I try to sound it out in chats like, that's not even remotely correct, dude.

What you just said is nonsense.

Yeah.

Maybe one of the, one of the benefits, aside from just being able to like listen to it and vibe.

With an audiobook, is maybe there's like a clockwork orange sort of element to it.

Anybody who's read the clockwork orange book, they sort of make you learn the lingo as make you learn that sort of modern Russian thing going on.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's a lot of.

Have you read Train Spotting by Irvin Welsh?

No.

You'll be Glaswegian by the end of it.

Don't worry.

And it's set in Edinburgh, but it says that sort of thing.

Those sorts of books are so interesting, though, right?

Because you, as the reader, are trusted to commit to reading the book and eventually understand what everybody's talking about.

And like you won't at the start, and you're not necessarily supposed to so i guess if i were to listen to an audiobook of like warhammer 40k i would have to just

like

know that by the time i get a certain ways in i will understand more than i do now and it'll be fine you know yeah yeah i believe in you thank you that's so sweet

i would believe in myself it's like being immersed in a different language is really what it is you sit there and you hear it enough and you're like oh i know what that is.

Even though it's an entirely made-up word, you're like, no, I get that.

I know what that's supposed to be.

And yeah, after a while, it's like, oh, right, right, right.

Well, I got to get my servitors and bring them back so I can access the machine spirit with the mechanicum because otherwise, you're like, yeah, no, that all checks out.

I know exactly what that means.

Sure, of course.

Yeah.

We all play games with very strange vocabularies.

It should be easy for you, Dodger.

Come on.

Yeah.

It's just like those TikToks where

people are goofing about the beginning of fantasy novels.

It's the same thing.

They're like, yep, they sure are throwing out a lot of fake countries right now.

I'm sure I'll figure out what they are eventually.

Let me ask you a question because I've always wondered this, and I think this is the perfect time.

When you are reading a fantasy novel or playing a fantasy game or a sci-fi whatever,

do you prefer when

the things they talk about in the story have real-world analogs, or do you prefer when it's like this is not the same?

So, a great example is one of my favorite games of all time, Ace Combat.

The series has multiple settings.

Like, it's just, you know, it's a flying game, but they tell stories in it.

And in one of them, for example, it's like, oh, yeah, this takes place in this world.

And here's the, the, the, you know, the different continents and they're a war, da, da, da.

But in another version of it, it's like, this is Osia, and this is the, and they're all just like renamed, but very clearly the US and the Soviet Union.

And like, right.

So, do you like it when there's some sort of, you know, like in Star Wars, they're like, gotta drink my calf, right?

You're like, okay, you mean coffee is what you're saying.

Do you like when they do that, or do you prefer when it's something like, I drink my sporchka, and they just talk about it, and you very clearly get it's coffee?

I can't say I particularly care, Jesse.

But Star Wars is a great example because I think for years, I think people still think that fantasy and sci-fi are fantasy, as in they have nothing to do with this life, when in fact they are the closest to telling tales about the times we live in.

And for me, particularly sci-fi is about what it means to be human.

And I think what,

say,

what has been done with Andor,

which is about an occupation and it's about the sacrifices you have to go through to make sure revolution happens.

Now, it fits into Star Wars, but my God, it's relevant for life on Earth.

It's very clever.

And it's not, you can't fit it in a particular region or anything like that.

Whereas I think when Battlestar Galactica did it, it seemed to be, because of the timing, it did seem to be the occupation of Iraq, but of course, told the other way around that our main characters were the ones being occupied.

And I think that made people question it.

But yeah, I suppose it's up to the author and what they're trying to do.

But if I can't see the scenes, I think that's better.

But I don't want to come away going, oh, that was a nice escape.

That's got nothing to do with real life.

Sure, sure.

I'm going to be annoying and say depends

yeah it it is hard though because you don't want to if it's a book you don't want things to ping weird right you don't want to read something and be like

okay

if that's constantly happening where you're going yeah all right um yeah just said it now if you're gonna do that just just said it now and that's fine We have speculative fiction, which isn't too far away from where we are.

It sort of sits between sci-fi and sort of modern.

Yeah, it's very clearly up to the author and what the author is trying to get across.

But there are some times where, for example, going back to Star Wars, where if you read a Star Wars book, for example, it might be like

Luke ordered some buckwheat noodles with raincor sauce.

I'm like, they have buckwheat noodles in Star Wars?

Yes.

It's like raincor sauce idea.

That kind of pulls you out, doesn't it?

Yeah.

If you're going to rename everything, you got to rename everything.

I hear you.

Yeah.

Yes.

That's reality.

Yeah.

And so it's that kind of thing where I'm always just like, I mean, I guess if you're going to go for it, go for it.

But if you're going to, in some way, connect it back to us,

then just set it on, like, it's Earth, but it's an alternate reality or whatever.

At least then we can be like, oh, no, I get this.

I know what this is.

Rather than,

what do you mean?

Buckwheat noodles.

I do.

Are we on Earth now?

Yeah, because you might start thinking we're on Earth.

Yeah.

I do think space makes a huge difference as well.

Are you in space?

Because if we've started exploring the vastness of space and we're still using a bunch of Earth terms, that doesn't track to me.

Like, what do you mean?

Although, I will say my favorite Star Trek thing is when they talk about the past, or someone's in a uh, like Picard's in his room listening to music, whatever, and they're they're always playing like uh, oh, this oldie, but a goodie.

And it's like, you know, the Beastie Boys or something.

And in my mind, I'm like, damn, they survived hundreds of years.

Like all beastie.

That would be like us right now listening to something, you know, like

it.

All we have is classical music.

Yeah, yeah.

As that example.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think it's really interesting.

I love when, for some reason, that's fine with me.

When they're like, oh, yeah, but I,

you know, someone in the future in their starship listening to Nirvana, and you're like, okay.

Hang on a sec.

Do you know what?

I don't think you ever saw classical music.

I don't even saw Red Dwarf, which was a British sitcom set in space.

It was very good, actually.

And they were always doing that, right?

But all their references were late 20th century.

And they never said, oh, yeah, we're obsessed with the late 20th century, or this is all that's survived from the past.

But it was always a very specific, like 40, 50-year period, which I always found weird.

I found that very strange.

There was not never anything from beyond 2000 or beyond when it was actually being written.

I'm always here for that specific thing because the minute they start to do like, ah, the 2040s, a dark time for the world.

And you're like, when 2040 hits and it's fine, you're like, well, now I'm taken out of it.

And that's forever in your story.

No, I'm going to, I'm sorry, but no, Blade Runner.

Blade Runner date is past.

We're all fine.

We're all fine.

Same with Battlefield.

Same with Alien.

Pacific Alien.

Back to the Future has ruined hoverboards for everybody.

The fact that we have a thing called hoverboard right now, and it is not what we were promised.

What we were promised by filmmakers.

Yeah.

That's all I wanted was flying cars.

That's all I wanted as a kid.

I still want it.

We still want that.

Instead, yeah.

Instead, nothing.

No.

Actually, that's a lie.

There are dudes riding flying hoverboards right now, which is close.

We're almost there.

I believe in the dream.

I just have to hang in long enough.

I got to live long enough to fly in a hover car.

And, you know, then I'll be like, all right, I've done it.

Send me, send me off to the corporate wars or whatever the hell we're involved in in the future.

I'll, I'll be all right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which we can just put on non-disclosure.

Corporate

and they just become the right size for us.

And then I can have some

hoverboard that my shoes automatically

hook on to hook on to.

Yeah,

I'll be good.

I'll be good then.

I won't complain about anything ever again.

I look forward to catching up with you in a few years' time.

Hey, dudes, let's go.

I'm doing,

yeah, yeah.

Like, guys, my life is perfect now.

I don't know what to say.

I don't know.

Everything's great.

A hoverboard is all it took.

Man, I'm jealous.

Well, so am I.

Dodger finally has the perfect life hoverboard and all just a hoverboard that's all that it took apparently for me to ignore the other horrors of the universe good for you good for you find your joy

oh my goodness what about you jesse i'd use a hoverboard as long as like no one else used one i don't know i too

I too watched a movie on the plane this past week as I caught a cold.

I didn't know this existed.

I had no idea it was out.

Apparently it came out in theaters, which I was unaware of.

A movie called Freaky Tales.

It is an anthology film featuring this.

Again, I had no idea this didn't exist.

Pedro Pascal, Tom Hanks, Ben Mendelsohn, like just a

crazy, yeah, a crazy cast.

And it is...

An homage to the 1980s in Oakland.

And here's the premise.

It is as silly as it sounds.

It's an anthology film about the fact that in the 80s in Oakland, there was like a crazy green glow in the sky, man.

And at that time, some weird stuff was going down, some sort of freaky tales.

And so it's basically four short stories all connecting at the end, like a good anthology, where

in the middle of it, something happens that this green glow affects one of the characters in a certain way, giving them a power.

And that power changes the story.

So for example, the first story is about the punk rock scene in Oakland.

And

it's literally about these punk rock kids versus Nazis.

There is a, the second story is about, oh man, my brain just died.

What is the second story?

It is about,

oh, the rap scene in Oakland and these two women who are invited to be part of a like a rap rap battle.

And it's them trying.

And over the course of these like characters, so ben mendelson's a cop and he weaves through the story like he goes to the ice cream parlor that the two girls work at that kind of thing and he like harasses them the usual like uh oakland cop thing and then uh the next story is born to mac and that's pedro pascal and he plays a guy who is a um like an enforcer for uh some bad dudes and he is reckoning with a spoiler that happens in his life during this time.

And then the last story, the entire, like the entire trilogy, or not trilogy, but the entire anthology is taking place over, I think, like 48 hours.

And there's a basketball game that is happening.

And the guy who you see in the background on TV, who's like, he scored the most points in any quarter of basketball history.

That's the main character of the last story.

Okay.

And in that one, all the stories come together.

And I don't want to spoil it, but it is like

every story has its own theme, but the last one is basically like killbill levels of violence.

And it's awesome.

It is so cool.

I was like, yo, what?

How have I never seen this movie before?

It is so well done.

I enjoyed it from start to finish.

Loved, didn't know this existed.

Had no clue this was even out.

I guess it was at Sundance and then they released it limited, I guess, in April of this year.

And then I saw it on the plane and was like, how is like there is a, there's an entire scene featuring Tom Hanks and Pedro Pascal.

And they're just talking about the top five movies ever made.

And it's them just being like, here's some amazing movies and just rattling off trivia.

And I'm like,

did I, did they know I wanted this?

How did this happen?

Oh,

loved it from start to finish.

Couldn't believe it exists.

Like, it's not a normal movie by any stretch of the imagination.

It is super bizarre because, again, all the plots hinge on the fact that it's 1980s and everything's super retro and there's magic green lightning in the air.

I loved it.

I am, I thought for a second, I, I got Tom Hanks and Nicholas Cage mixed up in my mind.

I'll put some.

Because,

because,

you know, there's that, there's that gif of Pedro Pascal in a car.

Like,

you know that, you know that gift?

Yes, yes, yes.

From

another amazing movie.

Still have no idea what movie that's from.

So I was like, babe, is this the movie?

No, that's

the unbearable weight of massive talent or whatever that's called.

It's the Nick Cage, Pedro Pascal movie, where it's literally Nick Cage playing Nick Cage, which by the way,

he always plays Nick Cage.

Yeah.

And then Pedro plays his biggest fan, and he pays him a million dollars to hang out with him.

And that's the premise for the movie.

And it is

so good.

It is hilarious from start to finish.

Love that movie.

Yeah.

Good stuff.

But freaky tales.

It exists.

So just put it out there.

I had no clue.

That was great.

I love that.

A strange movie.

Very similar to the substance.

A strange movie to watch on a plane.

Because you're just around other people and you're like, are you watching this too?

Because it's like that time I watched Ex Machina on a plane.

And it was just, I'm like,

are there kids around me?

Because I feel like I shouldn't be watching this in front of them.

Yeah.

I always appreciate when the screens do that thing where like, you can't see them unless you're directly in front of them.

I foolishly watched Magic Mike on a plane next to an old man on the way to Vegas, and it may have awakened something in him.

If I've helped there, I'll take it.

I'll take the credit.

He was like, I'm going to switch it off.

I'm not switching this off.

I'm not switching it off.

Watch your own damn screen.

Yeah,

absolutely.

He puts on Magic Mike too and syncs it off.

That's right.

Don't spoil it.

I've got to finish this one first.

Wait a minute.

I'm working on it.

I don't think I watched.

i'm trying to remember if i watched any any like good movies on the plane i don't think so and i was coming back oh god i watched i watched a fantastic woman which completely slipped me by it's from 2017 it won i think best foreign language film at the oscars ugly crying just ugly crying on the on the plane that was great great what is ugly crying on the plane is the worst

a film from uh chile

about a young trans woman who finds herself probably in the worst week of her life.

Don't really want to spoil anything.

It's beautifully done.

She was the actor was she was consulted as well because it was it was written and directed by more people who weren't trans, but she was very heavily involved in it.

So all those little micro, all those

just the little microaggressions, you know,

that clearly come from lived experience are all in there.

And it's so beautifully done.

I was just telling, I've got very rather evangelical about it and I want to watch it properly in the comfort of my own home so I can ugly cry even more, maybe even make some sound this time.

Yeah,

it's great, and it's from it's from years ago, and it completely

completely passed me by.

And it looked, I just remembered the title for some reason, and it was an excellent film.

Fantastic Woman, is what it's called, right?

Yeah, yeah.

When we'll have a

shout out to long plane rides, where you're just kind of like scrolling through, like, I have never seen any of this.

Screw it, let's go.

And you find some gems.

Yeah.

Yes, you do.

Yeah, you think, you think you'd be stuck there eating

fine food, yikes.

And, you know, in a hot.

This is escapism, isn't it?

It really is.

Focus on the film.

Don't think about the food.

I will never, ever forget the time I flew back from the UK and it was,

man, I don't remember what airline.

That's a long flight.

They deserve a shout out for like the true hell I went through.

Power went out on the flight.

So they could keep the plane, but we're over the Atlantic.

So there's no turning around.

Power goes out.

And they're like, well,

we have no air conditioning.

We have no TV.

We have no lights, but the plane's fine.

However, for the next seven hours, we just have to hang in there.

It was, when you see those guys online who are like, raw dog in a flight, bro, and it's just them staring.

I had that for real.

It wasn't some online thing.

At a certain point, they brought around all the food because they're like, we have to get rid of this.

Do you want cold food?

And everyone's like, no.

And they had ice cream that was all melting.

So everyone's just like cramming down food.

That's cool.

There was a moment I remember staring at like a speck of dust for what seemed like 45 minutes.

That's where I was mentally.

They had broken me.

And when we landed, I was like, I'm going to get a refund for that.

Oh, my God.

That was a terrible flight.

And they're like, thank you for your patience.

Here is 125 bucks or like whatever they gave us.

And I was like,

well, I'll have that memory for my entire life.

Thank you.

Like, it was

sucked.

It's coming across very British airways.

That's what I'm hearing.

No comment.

Yeah.

No, you can.

We don't work for them.

I just fly Virgin now.

I can't stand it.

It's been a thing.

That was my flight back.

I just flew back on Virgin.

It was a, so shout out to Freaky Tales on Virgin Airlines.

Here we go.

Virgin Airlines.

Chat says a book could have really helped you out there.

I always bring a book with me now.

always i it's always in my bag it's a backup just in case yes oh yes lesson learned yeah yeah for sure it's anytime i touch my steam deck actually yeah if it's like a film i can't uh or something's gone wrong because that does happen yeah yeah otherwise i don't touch the steam deck

i yeah it's it's one of those things where i very much like a switch 2 or just in general handheld things in theory i'm like yes

yes i need that and then in reality, I have it, own it, and never touch it.

Which is why I don't have a Steam Deck.

I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, in theory, I think I'm not going to ignore.

Yeah.

Like, I really want to play it, but I know me.

I will find a million other things to do.

The A to D will kick in, and I'll be like, I could do that.

Or

I could do all these other things.

Yes.

Or I could just be caught in the middle trying to work out what I'm going to do.

That's my happy.

I'm not very happy at all.

But yeah, that's where I live.

Yeah.

You and me both.

Anytime anytime I'm sick, the Steam Deck gets a lot of work.

Oh, that's cool in bed and play on the Steam Deck.

But I, I do,

I do have an issue with the fact that all of the handheld systems are just getting bigger.

Like, why are they getting smaller?

And our hands aren't getting bigger, are they?

Yeah, what's happening here?

We got my kid, who's seven.

Uh, his hands are small,

yeah, has uh, we got one of the switch lights or whatever, the smaller ones.

And I was like, this is awesome.

This is the size I want the Switch to be.

This is it.

We did it.

Well, that's because you have tiny hands.

Me, on the other hand, switch one, terrible.

Switch two, brilliant.

It's bigger.

And my hands don't cramp when I use it.

I love it.

Yeah, it's great.

I've got one of those like adjustable things.

You can put, you know, you can put the little controller cores on them.

So you've got something to grip onto that flat surface is not great for the old carpal tunnel or developing it.

It doesn't feel nice to try trying to hold that up.

I don't like it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I guess, but yes, carrying things that don't require battery or signal.

Thing is, we mentioned the word Luddite before we went live.

Come in useful when the power goes out across the Atlantic.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah.

I mean, it also, I'm at that point in my life where I used to, if I went to like a coffee shop or whatever, I would sit down and I'd either be on my phone or I'd play something or I'd read something.

Now I've hit old man status where I just watch.

I sit there with my coffee and I just look at everyone, watch the world go by.

And I realize I enjoy that tremendously.

And I'm like, oh, I get it.

Oh, old guys, I get it.

I'm there.

I'm like, oh, what a lovely dress she has on.

I'm like, oh, look at those two.

They're having a conversation.

That's lovely.

I just sit there and sip i'm like oh i wonder what's going on over there which is the nosiest thing in the world it is

i'm just a snoop but i enjoy it a lot dude that's wonderful you're you're switching your brain off from the electronic nonsense that we're all trapped in i think it's a great break for your brain and you've got your own headcanon we'll do it we'll go we'll make our own stories up about who you see don't we yes i love hearing just snippets i love hearing like someone say a thing a little too loud and have no context for it but be like, oh, yeah, no, I know what's going on over there, which is totally not true.

Yeah, it's fun.

It's fun.

I have been trying to

bring books with me if I know.

I have breakfast by myself a lot, and sometimes I'll go out to eat breakfast, which is nice.

And I'll just sit and I'll bring a book.

And

yeah, sometimes I'm not really in the mood to read a book though.

And I sit down and I opened it up and I start reading.

I'm like,

no,

it's not the day for that.

And I do wind up doing a lot of people watching against my will.

But it's also good for your brain.

It's

that diffuse part of your brain working when you're not concentrating.

It's really good for you.

And that, of course, is when you come up with a perfect song lyric or idea and nothing to write it down with.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've been trying to not bring anything with me, like on the dog walks and stuff.

And just enjoy, you know, just enjoy.

Sweet relief of leaving your phone at home.

Yeah.

Oh, no, I've left my phone at home for an hour.

Whatever will I do?

How awful for me.

Yeah.

I, um, this is, I have notes on my phone for this very purpose where I will sit down in a coffee shop or I'll sit down in a restaurant or whatever and just like take my time and eat.

And then I'll have weird epiphanies.

And I write things down.

And I have no knowledge of what I was thinking of at the time because clearly I've forgotten.

like this gem from a few days ago I was at a coffee place in London and I wrote this down Wrestlevania wrestler versus Castlevania that's what I wrote

yes I love that

I don't I don't know what that means for me

sounds like a franchise to me Jesse That's what I'm saying.

I have like all sorts of stupid things in here.

I'll write down like this one.

I wrote

Koopa equals poop,

which I guess is Polish.

Koopa is poop.

But for some reason, I was thinking of Mario.

So I was like, Koopa equals, that's what I wrote down.

That's all I wrote down.

That is it.

It's its entire, it's its entire thing on here.

Why'd I do that?

This is where I'm at.

This is, I'm like, well, one day this will make sense.

This will

be a good thing.

It will be a good brain exercise, though, because you're going back through and you're forcing yourself to remember: why did I write that?

Yeah, I have this one before a dangerous voyage, sailors drank rum and shared one regret as a tradition.

Why did I write that down?

For what purpose?

Because it's interesting.

What was

you wanted to remember that fun fact?

For what?

Like, that's what I'm like, but why?

That's where I'm at.

Like, why did I do this?

Clearly, there was a reason, and now it's lost to time.

Yeah, like tears in rain, Jesse.

My mom and I were talking about like getting directions to go to a place.

My mom will not use GPS.

She just refuses because

she's been driving in the same area for long enough that if someone gives her verbal directions or written directions, she's like, yeah, I know how to get there.

Right.

Okay.

And I was talking with her about how I use GPS for everything because I don't really like even this

like area that I've been living in for the last five, six years in England, I still get confused about where stuff is, you know?

And she was like, do you think potentially you're still confused about where stuff is because you keep using GPS instead of trying to rely on your brain at all to like get places?

I'm like, I don't like that.

I think it's true.

Probably.

I don't like that, though.

I don't like thinking that I'm like holding my brain back by like.

Yeah, I work with a graphic designer who went out to the shops to get special stationery and everything.

We go, oh my God, where did you find that?

And he went, I don't know.

What's the name of the street?

And he's like, I don't, I just found it on Google Maps.

I can't remember like how we got there, how I got back.

And it went, great.

Next time when you need something, you're going to have to Google it again.

Right.

Which you'll immediately forget.

It's fantastic.

Yeah.

Although, admittedly, the roads in which you drive, Dodger,

having just ridden in a car with you to a wedding this past week,

those roads are crazy.

It's all crazy back roads.

Yeah, that is true.

I don't know how you memorize any of that because it's all tiny roads in the middle of a forest.

And there was one, there was one point, roundabouts.

To Americans, we don't know how that works.

But in the UK, I've seen plenty of roundabouts in the UK.

I've driven on many of them.

But the one we we had to go on.

He hasn't seen any of the ones in the country that are like.

I've never seen it.

Yeah, it was, there's a little white circle and people are driving over it.

There was no rules.

I was like, how the hell?

I don't know how you do that.

And so the fact that you have to have a thing that's like, no, please go this way.

I would rather have that than just be like, screw it.

Let's go.

We're just driving.

That was crazy.

The roads are big enough for one car.

So at one point, we're driving on the grass on the side.

I'm like,

this is this is dangerous.

I don't like this at all.

Yeah, it's interesting because places where in America we would just put a stop sign in England, they'll say, well, as long as everybody's sensible, we'll just put an extremely minuscule road about here.

And that tells everybody, check and see if somebody's there.

If they're not, go for it.

Yeah.

Yeah, generally.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sensible in 2025, though, is something else.

Yeah.

Do you disclose whereabouts in the country you are?

Because if not, obviously you don't answer the question.

Okay, fair enough.

We'll talk afterwards.

Don't work out if I've been there.

Yeah,

a bit north of London.

Okay.

We'll talk after that.

And I'll go, no,

no way.

Excellent.

Yeah.

Yeah, Ireland can be a bit like that, Jesse, and Wales and bits of Scotland just becomes one lane.

Sometimes they have a mirror.

Oh, great.

Yes, you can see what's about to T-bone you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was telling my husband, I would, I would really love whatever

car we have in our life next.

I want it to be still safe, but so small.

Because the roads will go from a normal size to like, I don't know, maybe a car can fit through this so fast, like so suddenly.

And it drives me crazy.

Well, you're welcome, world, for Americans giving you bigger cars.

So you can thank us later.

Appreciate it so much.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Having trouble parking?

Shouldn't have bought that SUV, haters.

How did we get here?

Oh, GPS.

GPS.

I remember

books lead to roads.

I did it.

I did it.

Yeah.

There's a lot of chat has exploded.

And what you said, it's got something all very controversial.

They're talking about GPS.

And

roundabouts.

Traffic.

Yeah, we love it.

Everyone loves a good roundabout.

Yeah, I was being scolded because we have some here in the States.

We're like, yeah, but they're not the same, y'all.

They're just not the same.

And they're new enough that Americans are still like, I'm not sure what to do here.

There's one is in my old hometown, which is very small in Oregon.

And every time my mom pulls up to it, she's like,

I guess if no one else is going, I'll go.

And I'm like, that's not how this is to work.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's fine.

It's fine.

Oh, chat.

I love you.

I played a couple games.

I played a couple games.

Did you games on this show?

Talk about electricity.

Yes, I know.

On this show.

We just talked about disconnecting.

I reconnected to play some games.

Yes.

So there's a game that I played the demo of a while back, and I thought that it seemed very fun.

And so the full thing has come out now, and I've nearly beaten it.

I'm pretty sure.

It's called Is This Seat Taken?

It's a puzzle game in which you are given a place, like in in the modern world a place where a lot of people would be sitting it could be a bus it could be waiting for a plane it could be a classroom and you're given a bunch of people and they all have specifications about where they would like to sit it's one of those sorts of puzzles you know Mary doesn't want to sit next to John.

John has poor eyesight and wants to sit closer to the gate, right?

Like that sort of stuff.

And you figure out their perfect place to be sitting so as the game goes on it it adds more and more variables adds more and more people

everybody gets more specific right

um it's really fun and infuriating i had a level that took me forever

because

where are you going i'm gonna blow my nose okay because i'm sick I wasn't sure what this meant.

Is there something on my shirt?

No, I'm sick okay

so at the point i'm listening i'm listening don't worry

at the point that i'm at in the game now it'll be like this person wants to sit next to this other person

but not near the ac they're very sensitive to the cold and they also don't like when people wear too much cologne but also

they're nervous about being near their boss.

They don't want to be like caught not working, right?

So it'll be like a big list.

And you're like, okay, so I have to put them where there's no AC that's not close to where I put the boss that, you know, has no one wearing cologne at the same table.

It's, it, it'll, it'll expand in that kind of a way.

It's like me working from home when I was asking for accommodations.

I'm too sensitive for a rush hour.

It's really fun.

Don't make me working in an office.

I spent two years working from home, switching servers off and on again.

There's no no reason for me to go in there's other people

you are not the only person that feels that way for sure yeah i was about to say

yeah i would highly recommend that game if you like puzzle yeah it sounds cool if you like sort of like logic puzzle stuff yeah it's it's really light in the logic puzzle area because you you place everybody and then like two people will be mad and then it very quickly turns into like okay well then everybody out we're starting you know you just just get, I know it.

Yeah, nice, nice.

Um, it's very cute.

So there's that one.

And there is like an overworking story, which I wasn't expecting.

They're like, there's a specific character that, that follows the entire thing.

And you're like going on sort of a,

you know, cute journey with them.

And then a not so cute game that I played actually just today.

And full disclosure, I was sponsored to play it, it, but I loved it is a game that's in early access called Ovis Loop.

Oh, it is an action roguelite

where you are playing a sheep.

You're sheep with a giant sword.

As you do.

It is post-apocalyptic.

It's

super like

cyber-aesthetic.

I think I'm a robot, actually.

I think maybe everybody's a robot.

They're all animals, but they like glitch.

I think everyone's a robot, actually.

Okay.

And you are a sheep that is like

trying to defeat wolves.

The wolves have like taken over and are like over-consuming resources and all of these other things.

And you, as a sheep character, maybe a sheep character, have taken it upon yourself to try and destroy

the wolf that is sort of running all of it.

It's really, really cool.

I've played a lot of roguelites.

It's a side-scroller, but it's really rare for any of them to do something kind of new and interesting with the abilities that you pick up.

So in this one, you pick up an ability, you know, say like, ah, when you hit left bumper, you do a big slash.

And then next time that you're picking up up skills, it might offer you that same skill, except it would be

something that adds on to it.

So instead of it being like, okay, it's that skill, but it's stronger,

instead it'll say, okay, do you want to add a passive element or another

like activation that happens on this thing?

So for example, if if I said, okay, and then also I want to do like a big stomp, it would be when I activate that big slash, if I press it again fast enough, I'll then follow up with a stomp.

So you have all these opportunities to do like really big like synergy things because every

ability that you take can have

two or more extra abilities on top.

And I think up to three passives that activate.

as you just keep using it.

So the combos get crazy.

You can like synergize like all sorts of different, you know, like dots and effects and stuff.

It's really cool.

And it's very polished for early access.

So I'm excited to keep playing it.

Also, because I don't think I'm a sheep.

And I want to

take your quote out of context and use it forever.

I think everyone is a robot should be the thing that I just use for all the time.

I think everyone's a robot.

I think everyone's a robot.

Yeah.

Electric sheep dream of androids.

That should be

really is.

Yeah, it's really, we're all coming back to the same movie.

Everything connects us back.

Everything goes back to the movie.

Harrison Ford.

Yeah, it's all lame robots.

To be fair, we mentioned Star Wars.

Yeah, you've got a point about Harrison Ford.

Whoa.

Harrison Ford all the way down.

Yeah, yeah.

It's always Harrison Ford.

We have to stop playing these Patriot games.

Yeah, love it.

I've played a game

before I left, before we took a week off for the wedding.

Little game in the horror genre.

Very, I would say, the substance adjacent in what the story is trying to tell.

Dead Take.

It is a

FMB style horror game where the premise is you play as

good boy Neil Newbin, who in this game is, I can't remember his name.

It's like Clancy Javis or something like that.

You know, like a crazy name.

And he is going to a very famous Hollywood producer slash casting director slash bigwig.

He's going to his house and a party is happening for a movie in which Chase Lowry was his name.

That's very close to Clancy Javis.

Chase Lowry.

Anyway, you're going to this house and when you get there, of course,

It appears a party happened, but nobody's there.

And

the real conceit of the game is you find video clips and can edit together things featuring other people and their performances and their interactions with this producer.

And so for the most part,

it is a game of walking around, discovering things, getting jump scared by Ben Starr, which I don't think has ever happened before unless you've met him in person.

The man jump scares.

And so this is a

what's really brilliant about this, the thing that I love, besides just being a scary game and like a critique of Hollywood and looking into how actors perceive their roles and that kind of thing.

One of my favorite parts about this is

the conceit is that Neil's character and Ben's character are both going for the same role.

And so you get to see, which I think is really fun, both of these men as actors do the exact same character, but differently.

So they're doing the exact same performance.

You get to watch it, but it's two totally different performances.

And it's like, yo, acting's cool.

Because you get to see the way they perceive that character being and how they would interact with the actor who's, you know, opposite to them during that scene.

And based on how they do it, it's entirely different vibe, which is super fun.

And then you have this producer who's like

essentially a complete psychopath.

Like, basically, not a good dude.

And he is, you know, everyone's like, he's the worst person ever.

But man, does he make good movies?

And you're like, how does he make those good movies?

And what's going on here?

Really cool stuff.

The cast is awesome.

The acting is really good.

And

yeah, it's one of those games where when I beat it, I realized I missed some things because there's certain like

you're locking.

yourself out of stuff by proceeding.

And so there's definitely a book that I should have opened and just didn't because I was caught up in the story.

And when I beat the game, I was like,

and because it auto-saves, you can't just rewind and get back to that point.

So you had to replay it.

And I was like, you know what?

Go buy it.

Go pick it up yourself.

You go figure out what the hell that said.

Because there is clearly a story that is dark and weird.

And it's kind of like...

Without spoiling it, because that's not the plot of this, but you know how like it, if you play like an Eldritch horror game, most of the time things can be explained relatively easily.

Like, oh, yes, no, those were just murders.

But if you dig enough, it could be like murders for Kthulu.

You know, like that.

Same thing here, where there's clearly something going on.

And if you dig deep enough, you can find out what that is.

But

if you don't, you still walk away with like, okay, I got a story and that was good.

But there's something I'm missing.

And I want to know what the.

It's awesome.

It takes like four hours to beat, depending on how much you're just going to walk around and be like, what's that?

How's that work?

You know?

Well, you should play it again then, Jesse.

It's that short.

I really should.

I read the book.

I got 14 out of 19 achievements, so I feel pretty good.

Okay, you did great.

I feel like I did pretty good, but man,

there's some moments where you're just walking.

And then what's great about it, which I think is very fun, is the game is clearly inspired by Sam Lake's work.

And so since Sam Lake is in the game, it's very, it's like a cool homage.

But yeah, if you played Alan Wake 2, you know that sometimes you walk into a room and then like,

a thing appears in your face.

It's that, except it's just Ben Starr, which again.

I tried turning that down on that.

Yeah, I tried turning that down on Alan Wake 2, the intense jump scares.

I tell you, that slider didn't work.

Yeah, especially with Cynthia.

That was terrifying.

Yeah,

to make it less intense didn't work.

I hate her.

I hate that old lady.

Oh, I hate her so much.

I was thinking more Sam Barlow, actually, what with the unreliable narrative,

the fact that it's all split up so much and

the idea that your playthrough will be different from mine because of the order you put things together in.

So, yeah.

Yeah, there's, there's, it does a really good job of uh, like it has a mechanic that is very similar to like uh

her story or immortality, immortality, yeah, yeah.

I'm imagining a lot of Easter eggs in there, yeah, yeah.

It's I love that kind of stuff.

I loved immortality, so those types of games, the minute I saw this, I was like, oh, a game specifically made for me?

Great.

I had to play it before I left.

loved every minute of it very good stuff you should check it out oh yeah

i used to wonder why a lot of fmvs are like so short and then jesse and i off and on tried to put together an fmv before we've both had like a big interest in making one someday and

I really appreciate now how hard it is to make a good FMV game that isn't just a visual novel, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's, it's, and it's so much like acting.

It's so many things to film for people.

Well, it's so easy when it's voice only.

You know, you can just pick it up very quickly.

There's no resetting.

You can pick up mid-sentence.

I can splice it.

No one's going to notice.

So yeah, a lot easier when you haven't got the visual.

Dead Take does a fun job of

utilizing FMV in a way that isn't FMV.

Most FMV games was like actors, then you make a choice.

Acting, make a choice.

This is you're walking around a 3D environment, you're doing the stuff, but the FMV stuff is video clips you find that then you can play to give you background information.

And based on what you see, you can connect two clips and it'll give you a new clip that will give you more information.

So it isn't as complicated as FMV games are where it's like,

you have eight choices and each eight choice can branch off to all.

It's not that at all, which is very smart and probably something we should have thought of, Dodger, years ago, but absolutely didn't.

Yeah.

Well, I've been playing.

Yeah.

I think you were going to say something, Dodger.

No, it's okay.

It was not an impressive thing.

Sure, it was.

Save it for later.

I've been playing a game called Fading Echo on my Steam Deck, which isn't out yet, hasn't been recorded.

I'm in it.

But the devs are very unusual.

Yes, very much so.

I don't have an NDA.

They've given me a copy of the game, so I can talk about it authentically.

We've got Jasmine Bullar and Matt Mercer and Laura Bailey who are are going to be supporting roles in it.

I'm playing the lead role.

Jasmine or Jasmine?

Yes, you're Jasmine.

She's writing it.

She's writing it and she's going to be in it.

And we premiered it on the Future Game show because

weirdly, Matt and Laura presented.

So I got to gate crash that and we showed it.

And if you look up Fading Echo by New Tales, they're a French outfit.

They're former Blizzard.

And I've been really enjoying it.

So one, my character, she's sort of very light, very roguey.

And when she faces puzzles, she turns into water.

It's so cute.

It looks very, to me at least, it looks very

a Zelda Wind Waker.

It's super cute, very anime in its style, very bright and colorful.

And yeah, it seems to be a lot of

adventure, but it's also, yeah, there's shape-shifting when you work with the environment.

So you can, if there's a lava monster, turn into water, can petrify them, or you can incorporate poison to beat other enemies.

And it's just really, it's really cool.

And hopefully, we'll be talking about a bit more at Gamescom.

But yeah, it should be out early next year.

Plug.

But I have been playing it.

I've genuinely been playing it and going, yeah, okay.

I'll see what it's like when they've put my voice in there.

Right.

Oh, man.

We're going to bring back.

It's a great team.

Yeah, you should.

Yeah, it's a great team.

We've already done a podcast about it.

We haven't made it yet, but there we go.

But, you know, it's not often the lead animator sits you down ahead of the session for half an hour to go, this is what she's going to look like.

And that's going to change my performance.

And it's just wonderful to get all that information ahead of time.

Sure, you've had it with other actors on your podcast saying, like, you know, please give us as much information as you can because you get a better performance out of us.

So, um, yeah, they're really cool.

Yeah, the more context you have, the more you can place like who this person is.

Yeah,

yeah.

Absalom is, I'm going to plug mine because I don't, apparently, I don't play games unless I'm in them now.

But Absalom is in, that's by Super Monks and some other folks.

There's quite a few Dotimu as well.

They did Street Fighter, Streets of Rage 4, not Street Fighter, Streets of Rage 4.

If you think of more of Golden Axe, sort of fantasy version of that, I play a rogue character with a telescopic arm to punch you in the face with.

And

that's in a demo form.

I wouldn't say it's early access, but that's demo.

And of course, you've got a dwarf called Carl.

I thought he's the best named person in the whole game.

And I play Cider.

I'm thinking what else.

And then there's Tron Catalyst, which I'm in, but I'm not playable in that.

Tron Catalyst by Bithyl Games, Devolver, etc.

And that is out.

I'm allowed to talk about those.

There's a whole load.

There's about six, seven games.

I'm sitting there.

I'm not allowed to talk about it, but that's the active strike for you.

Yeah.

Just been waiting.

Just been waiting.

Because I've been allowed to record my bits because I'm not in the US.

I'm not Psych After.

So I've been recording my bits.

I've been ready.

Like, come on, guys.

Yeah.

It's been right.

What is going to happen?

If anyone's going to PAX West, I've got War of the Western Deepers in demo.

That's a great game by Sunsgrove Studios.

We'll be doing more, but it's about the first hour of the game you can play.

Nice.

That'll be cool.

Oh my gosh, there's so much coming out.

It's just if you played, if you played Excavation of Hobbs Barrow, it's Thomas Cena as a squirrel without the trauma.

Oh, there you go.

I loved Hobbs Barrow.

That was a great game.

Did you?

I made that here.

I made that round the corner with COVID in a heat wave.

So

that whole letter, you know, that letter.

Yeah.

yeah, yeah, I had a full-time job as well because this was happening.

This happened just before Boulder's Gate.

I did that with the full-time job.

I was doing this from home, and of course, it's voice-only, so it's a lot quicker, but it was pretty intense.

And

without ruining it, there's a letter that goes all the way through it.

She's reading a letter, and as it goes on, she gets more and more exhausted.

And I remember Dave Gilbert, who directed and produced it, said, Okay, Sam, at this point, you know, there's nothing left, it's just an empty shell.

I did it in one take

because there was nothing left.

Just read the words.

There you go, Print.

There you go.

Then they used that.

So, you know, an accidental method.

Accidental method there.

That's good.

Yeah, good player.

It's coming up to spooky season.

I know in America it's going to be Halloween for the next four months.

So

yeah, do check it out.

Even here, I went to sale, isn't it?

Tesco, I think.

And there was a bunch of stuff.

They went Halloween stuff out.

I went to Tesco the other day and there was a bunch of people.

Yeah, yeah, because they do that.

Now that's over, I guess summer's over.

It's back to school and then they've got nothing until halloween and then after halloween it'll be christmas immediately after christmas it'll be easter immediately immediately henry the first

yeah i'm just i'm just trying to find out some summer of screams 2025

um on uh i think there's some sort of deal on it on steam at the moment if you want to check out hobbs barrow because i think it's still a good game it's very good The thing that I was going to mention earlier that really doesn't matter.

You said it was unimportant.

you said it was unimportant.

I knew it wasn't.

I knew when I interrupted you that, like, I was like,

we'll come back to this.

Go on.

I appreciated you giving me the prompt to be able to come back.

I would not have.

I've been like, it sounds unimportant.

Jesse, you were, you were goofing about like

the names and games and stuff sometimes.

And it reminded me, there's an interview with Mike Scher, who made like Parks and Rec and I think Brooklyn 99 and shows like that.

And he was talking about how in like sitcoms and TV shows,

there's this weird like mid-ground on names where like you can't have a name for a character that's too common where like too many actual people have it because it creates like a weird legal thing.

So

you like when making names for stuff, a lot of times people will be like, okay, how do I make this still sound like somebody could be named this, but no one is named this, right?

It's It's like just slightly,

just slightly a weird name.

And it made me wonder if that's also the case in games.

If for games, you also have to, or are encouraged to not choose a name that's like John Smith, you know?

There is

one of my favorite thing ever in games.

These are names from a famous meme at this point, but I just want to stress that I love these names.

These are the names from an old Japanese baseball game for American players, and I think we should use them for all media from now on.

Oh, okay.

Sleeve McDickle,

Onson Swimney,

Daryl Archideld,

Anatoly Smorin, Ray McSriff,

Glenn Allen Mixon,

Mario McRalway,

Raul Charlanane,

Kevin No Gilny,

Tony Smerick,

Robson Dugnut, Robson Dugnut's the best one, Robson Dugnut,

Willie Dustis,

Jerome

Grid,

Scott Daruk,

Shawn

Fercate,

Dean Wesray, Mike Truck, Dwight

Dwight Rortugal, Tim Sandele,

Carl Dan, Dantelton,

Mike Cernandez, Cernandez is a great one, too, and Todd,

Todd Bonzalez.

Shout out to Todd Bonzalez.

Doing it well.

Yeah, those names.

A round of applause to Jesse for getting through that list.

That should be the names we'll use from now on.

Like, oh, stealing away from my next DD game.

That's so good.

I'm a dwarf named Bobson Dougnut.

That's a good name.

Right?

I'm trying to find, I don't know if you guys have seen it, that video that's like what Americans sound like to other people.

And it's, it's like a dramatic scene between like a husband and wife.

And they're, they're like this whole like back and forth, but they're.

speaking gibberish like they're just they're making american sounds but not words and it's so strange.

It's, it's like just, it's on the same tree as Simlish, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That sounds like something.

Anyway, those names reminded me of that.

Like those could be American names for sure.

Isn't there a very famous Italian song where it's done in English, but it's not real English.

But because it was done in Italy, none of the Italian speakers knew it wasn't English.

Like, it's a famous song, and I can't remember what it's called, but I'm pretty sure it exists.

And it was like a number one song in Italy.

Chat will deliver.

Chat will deliver.

I know this.

Chat is definitely saying yes.

I have no idea what that is.

There we go.

It's there.

There it is.

Seconds.

The power of the

high mind.

It's all just made-up nonsense words, but it sounds English.

And so everyone just thought it meant something.

which I love.

I love that.

Yeah.

It's true, though, about about this image.

They did it in Animal Crossing, didn't they?

Like Japanese Animal Crossing sounds different to,

you know, American English English.

Like, because they sound, it does sound like our own language, whereas when you hear, like, I don't know, Danish version of it, it doesn't sound quite right to our ear.

So it's, there's something in it.

My favourite made-up name was, was

Michael in Arrested Development, Charith Cute story.

That name haunts my dreams.

He's really nervous

around Maggie Liza, who's a fake lawyer, like Maggie Lies a lot.

And he's making up a name.

It's Jared Cute story.

I love that.

That's so good.

I love bad, good names are amazing.

Names are like, who would have that name?

It's so much better than

you should come to England, man.

All these little towns, they've got such weird names.

I love them.

Oh, especially if it's on like, over something bridge or on the river or like when it has a little addition at the end.

We're like, just in case you were aware, it's not that other one.

It's the one on the river.

You're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

North Upshireshire upon Vale.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's the one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Fun.

The names out here are very fun.

For the first like year that I was here, my in-laws would say like, yeah, we're going to be going to this village.

Do you want to try to pronounce it?

So I got pretty far off figuring out the pronunciation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The ritual humiliation will do that to you.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's one, there's one on the way to Cornwall.

It's two different towns, but for a long time, we thought it was a, it sounds like a 70s porn style.

Hazling Mislet.

It's two different towns.

Hazing and Mislet.

And we're like, that's a name.

That's someone's name now.

I've decided.

He's English.

Hazling Mizlet is a great name.

Yeah, it's weird because in the States, like, it's either named after something that was native to here,

or colonists just added new in front of it.

Yep.

Or it is

the stupidest thing.

It's the original name, and then they've anglicized it because that's the thing as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm learning.

We don't have that kind of like

there's like a quaintness to some of the names when you drive through the UK.

You're like, oh,

I love that.

That's so sweet.

And here it's like, yeah, you go up to Uptonburg Uptonburg and over to Biggsville and turn a left at

Towntown.

And you're like, okay, cool.

Yeah, nice.

Towntown.

Stealing that as well for my next game.

Towntown.

Towntown.

But they have to be spelled a little bit different.

Of course.

Right.

Of course.

And that's me looking at my notes going, what did that mean?

Why have you seen that?

What was that about?

I was meeting every D ⁇ D game.

I had a DM just give me like, you know, like a letter from a character.

I didn't know what he was talking about because I was writing everything down wrong.

I didn't have a clue.

Are you a big note-taker for DD?

Yeah, yeah, I'm a big old SWAT because I'm scared that I'll, you know, you don't want to go up and make a bad impression on the NPC because you've forgotten their name.

I was searching, there's a guy we met in a tavern.

Oh, what was he called again?

No one knows.

You know, just embarrassing, really.

Yeah, I try and make

generally names.

It's generally names that I can't spell.

Yeah, good times.

Yeah, thankfully in DD, it's less about the spelling and more about the, like, oh, you were called Gorgoth.

Sure, sure, sure.

Gotcha.

No one's gonna ask you how to spell that.

Dodger, are you a note-taker in DD or are you a drawler?

It depends on your character.

I do like to doodle.

Yeah, I will take more notes if I'm expected to be a smart character.

This is why my first character was a barbarian.

Yeah,

I'm supposed to be a dumb stuff.

I don't bother, really.

Yeah, just here for vibes.

Yeah,

exactly.

If I'm here to just show up, make a couple goofs, like flirt with somebody, and then move on.

I'm not

going to have a fight, maybe.

Yeah.

Somebody else at this table took great notes, I'm sure.

I will say, I don't know if you took notes during this, but one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen in my entire life.

I'm going to give you all the credit in the world, Dukes.

I'm going to just,

it truly confounded me how you pulled this off.

So, years ago, in the pre-COVID times, long, long ago,

we played a it wasn't DD, but it was like another style of, you know, whatever it was.

I don't remember what the format was, but it was a space thing that we were doing.

And, like, I was a big religious lizard, and Dodger was a giant slime.

I was a slime, but

mechanically, for some reason,

Dodger decided that when the slime is split,

each portion of the slime possessed one part of Dodger's vocabulary.

So at one point in time, Dodger was kind of blown apart and was missing the letter E

for multiple sessions.

And so every time you talked,

you somehow managed to speak, leaving the letter E out.

And it was one of the most brilliant things I've ever done.

I don't know how you did it to this day.

You nailed it so well.

And it was great.

I still don't know how it was done.

And the fact that you were like, I don't, I don't really do notes.

That was brilliant work.

I don't know how you did it.

But I love it.

Still think about it.

Oh, yeah.

I think, I, I think it was that

I pitched the system was fate.

And so you could basically say, like, my character can do this.

And our DM was like, okay, I'll let you split yourself into like small sentient parts,

but there has to be like a drawback.

And we settled on, okay, if a piece of me is missing, then that piece, we would roll, I think, didn't we?

Yeah.

It was a D26.

What letter was missing with that little bit of me.

Oh, amazing.

Yeah.

And I lost a vowel.

It was horrifying.

And you lost the most popular vowel in Scrabble.

At least.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's quite nice.

I like that.

That was, that was fun, though.

Yeah.

I really like the fate system, actually.

I just like that you can kind of make whatever you want.

I realize now that you and I, whenever we play together,

we always end up being insane.

Like we never just pick.

Like the very first time we ever played D and D,

I was a hobgoblin shaman who, in order to summon, like, my totems were I collect the balls of my fallen victims and I would summon them, but they never would help me because I literally cut off their balls.

Like, why would we help you, idiot?

So that was terrible.

And Dodger's character was a pyromancer who could only self-emolate.

Nice.

But you had to roll to put yourself out.

And when you failed your role, we had to like dump water on you.

Like, that's, that's what we did.

And I realized, that's what I think I understood.

That at the end of the day, it's kind of D and D is

a, a, like a piece of bread, but what you put on the bread is what's important.

Yeah.

Like it's, you know, what you layer that with.

Are you making a sandwich?

Are you making some toast?

What are you doing?

But it's the bread is the, like, this is the vehicle for your journey, but you're about to determine what it's going to be and how you're going to eat.

And I love that stuff.

That's so much fun.

I do think since starting to play Pathfinder, I'm in a Pathfinder game now.

I feel like Pathfinder has kind of a bad rap for making you do too much math, which I have not found to be the case so far.

But Pathfinder really does not take itself seriously at all.

The sort of things that it lets you just be like, yeah, my character can do this now are sometimes so silly and like maybe useless.

And I love that.

Like

it's fine to just make a character that is kind of useless.

And I enjoy that.

I don't know.

Yeah, I hear you.

At a game the other day, I played a kobold cleric called Melton John because it was a musical DD game.

And it just went backwards from there.

Amazing.

He'd been a blacksmith.

He's naturally talented with his hands.

He can't like helping people.

He wanted to heal them.

of course he melted people because he was melting john and then now and then you know to to to summon his god to to do the healing there would be an elton john song in there but that's just coincidence obviously um yeah it was it was very it was very cool we destroyed a lot of things i actually think he was a warlock i think if i played him long term he'd be a warlock who thought he was a cleric yeah didn't quite realize he'd been cursed with the melting hands

um

yeah i'll think about it but sometimes you just go sometimes the name is so strong you can just go backwards on it.

Yeah, this is all very Douglas Adams, isn't it?

Missing vowels.

Again, no idea how you did.

Like, you didn't, there was never a moment where you messed up.

Yeah.

And that's what shocks me:

my brain can't compute not using certain vowels in words and being able to speak full sentences.

Your name was Eugene.

Think about the amount of ease in that name.

Yeah.

it little uggin yeah old uggin

oh my goodness um jesse do we have any news is it that wrap up today it is yes

of course we have news oh my goodness hey in the news to start with

games comms next week hilariously games come

then followed by packs then Tokyo Game Show.

So to all the devs and PR teams and anyone going to all of those, Rip.

It's awesome.

Wish you luck.

Enjoy the con crunge that you're definitely going to get.

Yeah.

Thought some press.

Yes.

And now that E3 is gone, Gamescom has become the biggest, if not the biggest, one of the biggest shows in the world.

And as a person who's been there, it is like, not just big, it's like apocalyptically big.

400,000 people big.

So much.

It's overwhelming.

Crazy.

And

Felix Falk, who is the

managing director of Game, which runs Gamescom,

has pitched the idea that kind of Gamescom is the newest E3.

And especially now that in the past, E3 would be the announcement, Gamescom would be where you'd play.

Well, now there are more announcements happening in Gamescom than ever.

I guess 1,500 games are going to be there this year, which is the biggest it's ever been.

God.

Massive.

And some of the games that...

Everyone's been waiting for are finally going to show up, like we talked about in the past.

Silk Song will actually be there.

We got confirmation.

They said it's going to be there.

We'll wait.

We'll wait and see.

It may not exist, but we'll wait.

And so that's going to be huge.

And then, if you're curious, what's going to actually show up in the announcement part of that?

Jeff Keely, once again, doing his opening night live on Tuesday, the 19th, 11 a.m.

Pacific time, 2 p.m.

Eastern, 7 p.m.

British.

And if you're in Aussie, 5 a.m.

on the 20th.

So rip.

Rip.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Speaking of very very topical for us today,

our favorite, one of our favorites, one of the best, love him to death.

Larian CEO, Sven Vink says, hey, I want to share with you what's coming in the next game, but I can't.

So deal with it.

I really want to.

Literally, I really want to share with you what's happening, but please be patient.

So,

yeah.

We have no clue what's coming next, but my hope, fingers crossed, fingers crossed, we get some sort of dragon commander again because that was one of the craziest experiences I've ever had in my entire life.

Again,

I found and dated a demon, used her to conquer the world, and then sacrificed her for more power.

What a great story.

Loved every minute of that.

Big fan.

Want more of it.

Please and thank you.

But the next crazy thing is coming.

We don't know what it will be, but I wouldn't expect it to be anytime soon because...

They make them big games.

So, you know, it'll be a while.

Then, i thought this was kind of interesting speaking of the horror movies we talked about today

weapons which just came out uh which has been in crazy good reviews and in 48 hours or something like that made back all the money it costs to make the movie so congrats to them

yes yeah uh looks like the director of that film zach greger is also the director of the new Resident Evil movie that is coming out, which is going to not be a Mila Jovovich one.

It's going to be an entirely reboot thing for Resident Evil.

And

for those of you who are wondering, what's the story going to be?

What is going to be Claire or Jill?

Or you're like, who's going to be?

None of them.

He said basically, go play the games if you want to see that story.

We're telling another story in the world, which I'm fine with.

I'm okay with that.

It's a solid gateway entry into

Resident Evil.

I'm never a fan of when they try to take a one-to-one adaptation of a game and put it in a movie because games are like 12, 20, 40 hours, and a movie's two.

So it never works.

So please, yeah, I'm here for a story that's going to be its own cool thing.

But if Wesker shows up at the end and he's like,

looks like we have to get Resident Evil.

I'm here for it.

I want that.

I would love that.

I don't know why he would do that, but I would love that.

Then in the world of

consumer hell, I hate this, but also it's, I have to talk about it.

McDonald's had a Pokemon promotion that was going on, and it was supposed to last for a few days, and it was canceled because basically

everyone was so hype on getting this new Pokemon stuff, which if you haven't seen it, the cards are straight up just Pikachu eating a hamburger.

He's like trying to get it's so cute.

I understand why everyone wanted it.

However,

people wanted the cards and not the McDonald's, which I also understand.

And so

they descended upon the McDonald's, got the cards, threw away the food.

And it led to so much food waste, they were like, shut it down.

Shut like, they were just like, we can't.

We're just wasting so much product.

Shut it down.

And so now it's been canceled.

And

again, a lot of the reason for those who are curious is it's just straight up scalpers going and buying a ton of stuff.

Again, not a fan of scalpers.

Never will be.

and uh yeah i hate this because in reality

this is for fans and more importantly like a kid who wants to have a pikachu in a hamburger yeah yeah and i hate when it's

like an adult going and buying 50 happy meals it's like dude what are you

not a fan but they're selling online for as you can imagine a ton of money and so they were like nah nah and again this is this happened before In 2023, they had the Van Gogh Museum and they had the Pikachu Van Gogh.

And that caused a chaos thing happening where the Pokemon company had to be like, we're so sorry.

And then this happened again, which, you know, rampant consumerism.

It's cool.

As an agency, I mean, I think they'd learn.

You would.

You would think.

But I feel like, you know, from a corporate perspective, there's someone in a room being like, yes, think of all the money we just made rather than those poor kids, which...

Yeah.

I mean, money's but a lot of the money's made on the resale though the money's made not going to them when scalpers resell it so just stop doing limited edition stuff

yeah

the market then it's worth nothing

yeah that's uh it's so sad then over on the sam lake side of the pond remedy has recently been talking about their new game firebreak which is sort of in the world of control and it's basically like a uh

left left-for-dead style shooter.

They were talking about how they're not really happy with the amount of sales they'd have done, and they're still going to work on it and add more things.

And all I'll add to this is it has the exact same vibe for me as Darktide, a game that when it first came out, I played for a little bit and was like, all right.

And now a year later, I am playing like a crazy person.

They added so much new content and I love it.

And so I feel like this is the same vibe where the game came out.

And the more content they add, the more they create with it, the better it'll get.

And yeah, my hope is that it will end up the exact same way.

Where I am,

I

played Dark Tide for like five hours when it launched.

Now I've leveled every character to max.

So, like,

very clearly, it hit me at the right time now.

So, fingers crossed that they continue to work on it and create more.

Very excited for that.

And then, finally,

this one, I just want to let you know, brace yourself, chat.

This is a Jesse Cox moment of true

just,

you know, sometimes I feel like

some of the billionaires should just not talk sometimes.

Anyway, here we go.

Yeah.

Former PlayStation US boss Sean Layden says the price of video games should have been rising with every new generation to cover the increase in development costs.

I think it's because everyone's afraid, he suggested.

No one wants to be the first one to raise the price because you're afraid to lose traffic.

So what you do is you just end up eating into your own operating income, your profit margin.

There were more sports cars in the parking lots of the PS1 era than there are in the PS4 era.

Because if you're selling 20 million units at $60 for something that only costs $10 million to make, that's different than selling 20 units at $60 for something that costs $160 million to make.

Just let that sink in.

According to the article, Lanan said that the games should have increased in price with every generation, but the industry just somehow refuses to do so.

And as long as we continue to grow, even though we're not making money, somehow we can't die.

This industry is going to fall apart, is what he says.

So basically, this is a please increase the cost of games, which as you know, I am not for and never will be.

But here we are.

And I, I don't, it's insane to me that the, the reasoning is back in PS1 days, we were rocking sports cars.

Today, no sports cars.

All we got, like, what?

Minivans?

Terrible.

Hate this.

I'm like, bro, that's the most out-of-touch statement I've ever heard.

I just can't believe it.

Like, if ever somebody could make a statement that made it really clear that they have zero connection with like normal people and not normal people.

Won't someone think of the billionaires?

Yeah.

God.

If only this guy could have another sports car.

Oh, yes, but a normal car.

Yeah.

I love that.

It sounds like he's almost been held to account.

Almost.

And he's really annoyed that people keep asking him.

Yeah.

Like he's this close.

Yeah.

So

that's yikes.

But again, let me remind everyone.

Boy, do I hate when business guys are in charge of the arts.

Never been a fan.

Do not like it.

It's entertainment.

It should be there to lift you up or make you feel things or tell a story or be like something important in your life.

And when a guy's like,

we'd love what you've created, but it's costing us too much money, or we don't think we're going to get enough money in return.

I hate that.

And I always will.

And it's stories like that.

We're like, we just can't afford more sports cars.

I'm like,

why?

So

there we go.

That's the news.

Oh, my goodness.

Yay.

A round of applause.

A round of applause.

Well done, Jesso.

Sam, thank you so much for coming on the show.

You were an amazing guest.

Thank you for having me.

I didn't seem to have derailed it enough but you got to the news in the end we did next time

um would you like to tell everybody where they could find you what you're up to yeah so i am on blue sky twitter for my sins and now instagram uh where i will be posting new games so i have a little folder that says games so you can see all the new games i've got coming out it's really cool i will be at gamescom but apparently i won't see you because there's gonna be about five million people there so yeah good luck to us all um I'll be at dragon con in a couple of weeks time heard that's really big won't be at PAX West this year no PAX West for me this year boo because they clash but uh yeah that's the next couple of weeks and then some cons in Europe which is really exciting we've got Belgium and we've got Stockholm in Sweden as well coming up so yay yeah come over say hi the water's warm I don't bite without consent obviously

yeah sorry this is me I'm not even drunk anything this is what I'm like

yeah so this is a new one I'm kind of trying it out, seeing what's going on.

Yeah, come over, say hi.

There's some really cool stuff happening there.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Jesse, what are you up to?

Well, as per us over on the main channel, this will be up later today.

But also, there's a new tell-me-about coming out soon, hopefully, about factory games like Factorio and all those things.

Have an amazing guest for that.

And then the next one is Speedrunning, featuring three of the biggest names in Speedrunning.

So tune in for that that'll be super fun also

the weird channel I've created to test the algorithm on YouTube is still going too old for this the last videos we reacted to are all sorts of goofy stuff like laboo boos and some guy who builds secret rooms and homes more stuff is coming so please go check that out but more importantly for the sake if i think i can say this now and if i can't this was a dream and ignore this

at the end of the month at the end of the month at pax West, I'll be hosting a panel called Storytime with Yoshi P.

And it will be

on the main stage at PAX.

So

that should be super fun.

Nice.

It's story time.

So that'll be one hour of the man, the myth, the legend himself telling you all sorts of goofy stories about being in the games industry.

And I get to sit there and be like,

yep.

Yep.

This is crazy.

This guy.

Yeah.

And if I wasn't allowed to tell you that, I'm pretty sure I was.

But if I wasn't,

this was your dream.

Yes.

You heard nothing.

Sorry, what was that, Jesse?

I just wasn't listening there.

I blacked out, huh?

I didn't say anything.

Okay.

This was a dream.

Man, you guys going to all your cool conventions?

I'm not going to any conventions,

but I am debuting my new model on the 24th.

So that's in a little over a week.

Uh, got some really fun stuff planned for that, so that'll just be on stream.

But other than that, just playing games, it's summer, so my kids run in riot, which is very fun, but you know,

makes things a bit harder to wrangle and keep consistent.

So we're doing our best over here.

But thank you all so much for watching.

If you enjoyed this and you'd like to watch other geek underses, they are all on youtube.com/slash jessecox.

And we're on all of the podcast stuff,

apps, things.

So you can just listen to our beautiful voices, but miss out on the visual goofs, unfortunately.

So, and there are just so many.

And there are so many.

They're rampant.

So many.

You should just watch it.

Yeah, maybe you should, you know, maybe listen to a little bit and then watch it as well.

I don't know.

But have an amazing weekend and start of your next week.

And we will see you the following Friday.

Bye-bye, everybody.

So long.

Bye.

Bye-bye.

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