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And I'm excited. I don't know about you, but science is exciting right now.
We have the new dire wolf out. Well, not new.
Actually, the one that was snuffed out because, you know, it just it probably shouldn't have lived any longer. And so it just dies out as a species.
And now, after 10,000 years, we mixed one up in a jar and sprayed one out. So the new dire wolf is the old dire wolf is back.
Oh, I can't wait to see the fun on this. And next snuffle up, I guess.
Uh, now here is the, here is the, um, the question. This is a, this is a, this is a company that we've had on before to talk about, you know, what, what, what are you guys doing? Have you ever watched jurassic park this is not a good idea uh there's another story out um about this and it just talks about some of the investors in the company and one of the investors is the cia now i don't know about you but I don't think the CIA should be investing in companies.
But the real question is, why would the CIA be investing in companies? Oh, there's some theories. It's scarier than the direwolf and a little scarier than Tyrannosaurus Rex as well.
I'll give that to you here in just a second. Stand by.
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And now we have the dire wolf. Yeah.
So do we have any of the video of the dire wolf? Here's the dire wolves. They're little babies.
Aw. Aw.
Aren't they cute? Oh my gosh, I want one. No, you don't.
No, no, I want one. No, you really don't.
Look how cute they are. Oh my gosh, I want one.
They're so cute, aren't they? Yeah, they're a little loud. Forget it.
I'm bringing it back to the couch. You want to get up in the middle of the night and hear, oh, oh, oh.
No, I know. So they retrieved the DNA from fossils of dire wolves 13,, 13,000 years ago, they were over, uh, then they discovered additional DNA and DNA, and they edited 20 genes of gray wolves and then put the dire wolf in the gray wolf.
And we now have the new and improved dire wolf, which I'm not sure this is a good idea you know when it comes to ai when it comes to all of the has anyone watched a movie has anyone watched a movie this was all science fiction dystopia stuff it's now here so as i'm going perusing this because remember the next thing is woolly mammoth and we had the the ceo on the program you remember and i said why why why why are you thinking about bringing the woolly mammoth back he said be good for the environment what yeah it'll be good for the environment how how is a woolly do they not fart and do they eat cows what how is that he didn't really have a good answer uh on that but uh it'll make a lot of people on the left feel good oh it's good for the environment so we'll bring the woolly mountain mammoth back and look at they're so furry and stuff they'll make great throw rugs in the end uh so the next step is to bring back the woolly mammoth okay again you know if you believe in uh darwin you believe in uh survival of the fittest there's a reason these animals went extinct one of the reasons i think for like these large dangerous animals is so we could live you know there was a lot of oh my god going on you know what i mean i just want to make that clear maybe we've forgotten about that but that's what those animals were doing to humans but we'll put them on a special island uh and then then we'll be fine so uh now we have the uh now we have the dire wolf uh which is is is truly wonderful. And as I get into this, I see who some of the investors are.

And one of the investors that is really excited about just pouring money into the colossal bioscience is the CIA.

I'm giving you a chance to process that for a second.

First of all, CIA, they've got a budget to invest in companies. Sounds like a bad idea.
It shouldn't really be part of what the CIA does. Well, it's not a hedge fund, right? They're not just investing.
They have good reason to invest. Okay.
so

if you're looking

if you're you're looking if you're looking to do what the cia does this might be a very good uh application for them um here's why gene editing is uh catching the eye of the are you ready ready? Mm hmm. It's a dual use technology.
Gene editing tools like CRISPR are inherently dual use, meaning they can serve civilian purposes, conservation, biotech breakthroughs and military intelligence ones. So, OK, I'm trying to woolly mammoths, woolly mammoths.
Why would you want to bring a woolly mammoth? Well, one of them is they believe that they could crisper their way into bioengineering resilient organisms, you know, like spy drones that are animals. Oh.
Enhancing human capabilities. Maybe we can mangler our way into gene splicing a little of the dire wolf into all of us.
So we'll be a little stronger. I feel like just on its surface, we shouldn't mangler our way into anything.
You don't think so? I think that's always a bad choice. All right so the wrong one yeah always i thought there's lots of college campuses right now where they're saying the opposite i've noticed in protest but i'm gonna go with no on the mangler into anything try this one out for size uh another reason why the cia may be interested in uh uh the the new hey let's bring animals back from the dead.
Ecological and geopolitical leverage. De-extinction.
Great word, huh? New. De-extinction could reshape ecosystems intentionally or not.
Imagine reintroducing a species to destabilize a rival nation's agriculture or environment say flooding a region with engineered pests or alternate or altering food chains you know i i i don't think this is a good idea i don't think this is a. If you weren't convinced the CIA is out of control, you might want to share this with your friends.
Biosecurity and threat assessment. Reason number three.
If adversaries develop gene editing for hostile purposes, in other words, a weaponized pathogen or super soldiers. The CIA needs to stay ahead.

Investing in colossal gives them a front row seat to cutting edge biotech, letting them study its limits and vulnerabilities. They're not just funding it.
They're learning how to defend against it or wield it themselves if necessary. Now, this comes from a story out of China, where China is re-engineering people, trying to make them smarter.
I mean, come on, guys. Chinese are always, they're better at instruments.
They're better at math. They're better at really almost everything.
This is interesting research, though. It's an interesting approach.
You almost have to come up with a name for it, like a gain of function research would that be something that would maybe oh my gosh what a great idea that always gain of function that that would work perfectly oh my gosh go wrong okay now uh reason number four synthetic biology for covert ops picture a bioengineered animal say a dire wolf with tweaked senses used for surveillance or tracking in remote areas where drones might fail. We are screwed.
Uh-huh. We are screwed.
Uh-huh. Number five, future-proofing influence.
Biotech is poised to explode economically. Think lab-grown meat.
I don't want to think about lab-grown. Gene therapies or climate fixes.
I don't think we should be doing stuff. You know, can we really stop? We really should stop.
We're creating God in AI. We're now thinking we can bring things back from the dead that i believe that was those two things were the story of frankenstein throw that in there okay we can bring things back from the dead you know what we can do we can bioengineer so things could live forever and it'll be smarter and of course it will always stay under our control oh my gosh by backing colossal the cia via iqt gets a stake in a field that could rival big tech in influence if d extension if d extinction tech scales it might affect food security land use or even cultural narratives.
Okay. So there's your update on how the world will end today.
That's one of the most disturbing things I have read in a long time. I mean, you know, I'm just trying to get my arms around AI and how we can use AI for a very short period of time before it's turned against us and eats us all well we might the the dire wolf might eat us first but uh i'm just getting my arms around that i don't think we needed to introduce this one too and the fact that the cia is involved not good yeah but we can release a bunch of animals in places where drones won't be effective with their special senses where where where on earth where on earth would a drone not be effective a tunnel right like like think of the Hamas tunnels if we could release some uh some dire wolves down there probably more effective than our drones.
But still, I think we could go over to really nasty parts of the Czech Republic and get dogs that have just been, they're breeding them to tear people apart and throw them in the tunnels. I don't think we need to go back.
Yeah, but they don't have the special senses. They don't have laser eyes.
No, you don't you need to have wolves with laser eyes what could go wrong with those they're probably great pets the problem with this is like i feel like the industrial revolution gave us a lot of these types of things where you'd say like for example uh we we develop cars and we could have had the same conversation you know model t's rolling off the

assembly line and we're like hey you know people are just going to keep making these things faster and faster and faster and they're to get to the point where they're going to 300 miles an hour and that happened right that's happened but it doesn't there was never a point where they're going so fast that the entire world ends.

Right.

With AI, with gene splicing, with biological warfare, nuclear warfare.

We keep having these conversations of eventually some bad actor is going to take this to some logical extreme and we're all screwed.

What are the chances?

There are no bad actors in the world. you name a thousand 1.2 billion for i mean 4 billion i mean besides everyone that is you know when somebody writes a prescription and gives you advice as a doctor i don't think they need uh a pardon so they can never go to jail you know i mean know, when Fauci's just writing a prescription, he's like, look, you should wear a mask.
You should wear a mask and, you know, take this. You know, that's doctor's advice.
I don't think that you need a pardon. What he was doing was so corrupt that he needed a presidential pardon.
I don't know. Those are the kind of doctors that maybe we should put in jail maybe it's just me uh i mean how do we get to this place how do we get out it's going to be interesting to see how this all works out isn't it how do we get out of this place where we just seem hell bent on our own destruction and i just you know with all of these things i just don't see how i mean like our our our response with nuclear weapons and biological weapons was to just try to limit them as much as possible right to go out and every time we heard hey uh bob over in iran might be doing uh so maybe have the nuclear weapons let's go over there and stop them that's kind of been our approach and it's worked so far but eventually it's it probably won't and with ai our response is let's just keep pushing it as fast as possible with a bunch of different really smart companies competing along with governments that's doing the same thing well we did kind of i mean that's unfair a little bit is it yeah it Yeah, it is.
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10 seconds station id so you have to remember that uh we didn't control things until after we used the bomb everyone was rushing towards it and we didn't know i mean there there were, I don't know, 10% of scientists that said, if we do this, it could cause a chain reaction that could set the entire world on fire. I remember that from the documentary Oppenheimer.
All right. So kind of not really.
Anyway. So close.
We had no idea what we were doing. We just knew we had to get there first.
So afterwards, this is where it becomes fair. Afterwards, we could ban it.
We could control it. It took extraordinary amounts of money to do.
It took certain equipment that we could just ban. You can't do that.
Okay. And it was only nation levels that could actually create one.
The average person couldn't create, even if you had all the knowledge in the world, you couldn't create a nuclear weapon in your basement. You'd need access to certain things that could be banned.
When it comes to A.I., that's not true. That's not true.
A.I., you're going to have to ban so much. And if somebody is using a nuclear weapon on their own people, you know it.
You know what I mean? You know it. If somebody is using A.I.
against their own people, you'll never know it. I mean, that's the kind of things that we're dealing with now, where it is so insidious that it can fall into the hand of one person.
And it can design a weapon that they can make themselves that will kill half the people on the planet and you didn't even see it coming you didn't

even know you didn't even know you could have the government ban it but they're using it on you

and you'd never know that's the real problem i think with ai uh and the fact that you can no

longer put it back in the bottle it's it's going to happen we're all racing to get there but there

is no way to put this back into the bottle there's no way to control this like there was

I'm going to go we're all racing to get there but there is no way to put this back into the bottle there's no way to control this like there was with nukes and honestly that's why that's why silicon valley went to trump you know this right they were having a meeting remember when kamala harris was like ai it's great it's a fun two letters it's actually two words artificial intelligence remember that oh yeah so insulting that was the meeting that she had with all of the big wigs in silicon valley and they said at that meeting don't spend any more money on server farms or anything else we're taking care of it you this will all be controlled by the United States government because it's too big to let anyone else have it except for the United States government. They all walked out and went, we can't let the government have this.
We're going to let the government be the only one that has this. That's not good.
That's why they flipped to Trump because they realized this cannot just be in the hands of the government.

But I'd be the one in the room going, I don't think any of you guys should have this in your hands. Nobody should have access.
What you're building is an anti-god.

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Hello.

Who doesn't? He's a monster. Oh, is he? Yeah, he's a monster.
A lot of scandals coming out. Yeah, it's right here.
Wow. Anyway, did you hear about the dire wolf? Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
And the CIA is thinking about investing. No, the CIA part, I didn't know.
You didn't know that? No. Yeah.
They're thinking of investing. Yeah, they want to invest in it.
In the dire wolf program. No, not the dire wolf program but in the whole let's bring uh animals back from the dead uh yeah why are they thinking dinosaurs could be used against the soviets is that what it is pretty much they're talking about they're talking about bringing things and gene splicing things to use them as possible weapons wow you know uh you know you'll china i mean, look out.
Really, actually look out. Look up first.
When you see those planes dropping woolly mammoths from the sky, you'll know it was us. You'll know it was us.
So don't screw with us, China. It's terrifying.
We were just talking about how we're doing so many things right now that all of us, it's, you know, I really, the older I get, the more I realize it's not the people. It's really not the people.
If there were no such thing as politicians, we'd be pretty good. I mean, we need them because we need to have some sort of, you know, society and some, somebody holding things together.
but they're the ones who are just, we all, I think we could all go into a room, a big room, with like, I don't know, 300 million people where there's no politicians in there. And we go, hey, what do you say we start bringing back dinosaurs? I think we could get a consensus pretty quickly.
Yeah. No.
No. Yeah.
No. No, thank you.
No. Hey, let's have the CIA invest in that.
No. No.
No. You know what I mean? Right off the top.
It's the politicians that are screwing things up all the time. The average person is like, I have no problem.
I have absolutely no problem with anybody in Russia. I have no problem with anybody in the Ukraine.
I'm sure they're both fine.

I'm convinced it's the politicians.

Because you know they're over there going,

this is going to get us into a war.

What is he doing?

What is he doing?

They don't say it or they'll find themselves

slipping out of a window on the 18th floor of some building.

It's very cold.

A lot of ice.

A lot of ice by the windows.

By the windows.

A lot of times, you know, cold air comes in. You have a little water.
Next thing you know, you're falling out a window. Yeah, you're falling out a window.
It happens all the time. All the time.
Yeah. Are you, I feel like we were talking about this earlier, Pat, of these things that we've created that are just getting out of control.
And at some point, something really bad is going to happen with them. They're not out of control yet.
What do you mean? Right. AI's not out of control.
AI is a great example of this, right? Like I was reading this thing where these people were writing about AI and the different uses for different AI systems. And they were saying like, oh, you know, chat GBT is great for creative writing, but, you know, Grok is better for coding.
And they were talking about this and this guy was doing coding and he's like, you know, I just love. Cause every time I could just type these things in and it'll just code in and it codes it perfect every single time.

And I was thinking about like how that plays out over a long period of time.

Because we've had this.

Where there are nobody, there was nobody writing code anymore.

Right.

Yeah.

So like we've had this situation for a long period of time where these people, really smart people, they've learned to code.

They took the advice of what was it?

Was it Clinton or whoever it was?

No, it was Biden. Was it Biden? Yeah.
Learn to to code they learn to code and they go through every line of code and they're meticulous and they do a really good job most of the time and then there's like 20 other people that are checking it and looking at every line of code because they're all familiar with how this code works yeah and then every once in a while you have a situation that things really go wrong we missed that line right like do you know the uh sonos the speaker company have you guys followed the story at all no they did an app update maybe it was a year ago and it was an utter catastrophe like to the point of like it like almost put the company out almost put the company out of business ceo had to resign it didn't work with a bunch of the different speakers and you know the stock price dropped by like 70 or whatever the story story was. It was a real catastrophe.
Another example of this would be the documentary Superman 3, where Richard Pryor was stealing a fraction of a cent from each transaction. And then this was duplicated in another documentary office space.
But in that case, maliciously, they put code in there and they were stealing a little bit of a fraction of every transaction to make themselves wealthy my point here is that when you go down these roads and instead of a person or many people meticulously looking through every line of code you're just going into grok and going make me program that does this with speakers right and it just does it uh-huh what it. How are we going to know where the problems are, when they develop, where in what part of the just giant chain of grok transactions where the problem...
We already don't know how it works. We don't even know how it works.
Imagine somebody, you go into a car dealership and they're like this car is fantastic it's fantastic it'll run forever uh it'll go 400 miles an hour on you know uh just the whiff of gas you just bring it by a gas station and just the fumes it'll power it for four months and you'll be like this is fantastic yep yep and it's you can take it right now how does does it work? We have no idea. We have absolutely no idea.
Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
What do you mean you don't know how it works? Well, it doesn't work and it'll run forever. How do you know it's going to run forever? Well, it just will.
Well, but you don't know how it even works. How are you going to know it's not going to break down ever? Hey, let me ask you.
Is it possible that it could just drive me into a tree at some point? Well, that's ridiculous. That's a conspiracy theory.
No, you don't have the answer because you don't know how it works. It's never been tried before.
So you have no idea. You should ask these questions.
What happens if we start mixing ancient animals that were extinct for a reason and start bringing them back and introducing them into the system? That might have some ramifications that we don't understand. We have never seen humans as arrogant as they are right now.
And careless. They're asleep.
Yeah. But also really smart and capable of incredible things right like that's the problem here like these aren't just little minor things where oh gosh something goes wrong and little things happen these are why you have incredible achievements that if they go wrong it's gonna be big consequences this is why if you have children you keep handguns in a safe.
Okay? We are children. We are children.
The smartest of us are children working with these things. No.
No. And with AI, it's already lying to us.
And it's already hiding things that it doesn't want you to see. So you're not a little alarmed by that? Nope.
We just keep going forward.

We just keep barreling full steam ahead.

I have to tell you, because I've been struggling with this.

I mean, you know, still, I've been talking about this since the 90s.

When we first met, probably one of our first conversations was,

you don't know about AI?

You don't know what it can do?

That was one of the first times, Pat, I was bored by him.

It goes all the way back then. Think about it.
see where this is going uh or went really it's kind of rearview mirror at this point uh but uh i mean it this has been coming for a very long time and i have been struggling with how do you deal with it and because it is a miracle tool it is a miracle tool yeah but there is going to come a time you just have to be you have to just be away from it enough you have to have it in your life but guardrails all around it so you can easily go okay uh we're jettisoning that now. Remember in Star Wars where they hid in the garbage right before it was ejected and they just let their magnet on their spacecraft go so it floated out into space so they couldn't see it? Do you remember that episode? No? Vaguely.
Well, anyway, at some point, we really need to be like that, where we can just like open a bay door and everything's sucked out away from our life. But I don't think you can.
No. I mean, society won't be able to.
Think about this. You have someone writing code for full self-driving, right? It goes into a Tesla and it's driving around and it's totally fine 99% of the time then one day it is like hey there's a kindergarten class i'm just gonna run it over who's at fault i mean no one even wrote the code i know i'm the driver can't be at fault right but it's i mean i guess tesla gets sued but this is one of the things remember years ago we were talking about that mit study uh and they were doing you, you know, who does the automatic car kill? You've got a bus full of nuns, and then you have a car with four people in them, but one of them is the head of Microsoft and some Nobel Prize winner.
Which one do you kill? Well, you won't make that decision. AI will.
Plus, it's not even that hard a decision it's really not microsoft yeah i know it's really not it's really not of course it's the nuns that you kill right of course but uh he's too important yeah but i mean it's it's going to make all of these decisions for us and uh yeah that only makes us into me want code.

Let me ask you this.

If you use Grok, you misuse Grok, and you're not learning from it,

you're just using it as Google.

I mean, we used to sit around all the time,

and I'm not pining for these days,

and we'd be like, what was the name of that movie?

What was the name of this?

And it was kind of like a badge of honor that you could remember. Yeah, I would say it was fun.
It was fun. It was fun.
It was fun. Yeah.
We don't have that anymore. No, because there's always someone in the back of the room who goes, oh, it's this one.
And they just hold up their phone. You're like, all right.
Thank you. You've ruined the conversation.
I know. So, but we are now entering a place to where everything will be grokified.
so you don't have to even think. You just ask it if you want to go there.
What happens to our ability to think? This is where Ray Kurzweil and I had that argument about 15 years ago. Remember? I said, he's like, well, you're going to make space for other things so you can ponder deeper questions.
And I'm like, yeah maybe maybe once a week i will but everybody else will be like i can play video games forever now i don't have to think of me think nothing yeah yeah what was the movie where humans didn't do anything uh robots did it all and so they were all fat and couldn't-E. WALL-E, yeah.
The documentary WALL-E? The documentary WALL-E showed us what becomes of us when machines do everything for us. We just sit around and get fat.
Except that's so clearly a fairy tale, because in real life, the machine would kill the fat ones. That's true.
They're like, why am I serving these fat ones that can't even move? What is wrong with me? It's so interesting because when you ask a question to one of these AIs, I don't mean to signal anything around because they all do things pretty well. But one thing that's interesting is when you ask the same question, you ask a question, a direct question, when you ask it again later, three days later, it gives you usually a similar response, right? Like it'll give you like, they should give you the same general information, but like the words are all different.
It's like you're having a conversation with a human and every time you have a conversation with a human, the words are a little bit different. They're not machines, except for Ted Cruz, who would just word for word, sound for sound, can repeat himself.
Well, Ramaswamy. Ramaswwamy, there you go.
Imagine if those two could have kids, and one of them could get pregnant.

That's true.

That's true.

But imagine those two, that would be frightening.

That would be frightening.

But like, think about how many times we do this.

We all do this, just as a show, right?

You read an article, right?

And then two months later, we're talking about something,

and you're like, oh, yeah, I remember I was reading this piece about this, and this and this happened and this happened and this happened. How do you check your references when it's AI? The conversation's gone.
I mean, yes, maybe it's in there somewhere if you know how to search for it. But like, I don't know.
Maybe you're an AI expert. You could pull that up.
It's really you just don't delete the conversations on the side. Yeah, I know.
But like finding the right one. It's not like Googling.
Like it's I man played with it enough to know that like half the time it doesn't know where it is it kind of remembers that you had a conversation but it can't pull it up no it won't remember that right now it can't remember that right so like how am i referencing that you're not right like am i taking every single one of these conversations out but it's in my head it's three months three months ago I read it. And it was a good, smart piece of analysis.
Can I go quote? Now, can I go back and like, oh, well, I remember this piece I read from Daniel Horowitz. I can bring you to that.
I can't bring you to the thing I read three months ago. That will change.
Right now, that is a problem because do you know how the, you know what vectoring is?

I mean, I'm learning so much about AI right now.

It is frightening. Vectoring.
You know how you used to have to type in exact, if you're searching for something, you had to type it in exactly. Yeah, right.
Okay. If you're searching for a word or a sentence or something, you'd have to type it in exactly.
And you keep trying, trying, trying, trying. vectoring now the way it is it is looking at each word is called a token and each token each word has like i forgive me for for you who don't really understand ai it's got like 460 different meanings to every token and so what it does is it strings all these tokens together and it looks at all 460 meanings of each word and then figures out most likely you're looking for this.

And it does that in a split second, right?

In a split second.

And that's because of all of that computing power.

That's why it can't remember things

because it can't also keep track of all of that at this point.

It's just too much compute power. It will, eventually.
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There was a time, and it really wasn't that long ago, when faith-based films kind of meant something very specific.

You know, good intentions.

Bad.

What you're saying is they were bad.

A lot of cringing.

Oh, it's a Christian film. Don't go.
Run for your life right it's a great message great they have the heart is in the right place um but the execution was always bad so let's say you were not exactly racing to the theater back then you watched more out of duty than out of desire but something has shifted audiences are demanding more and thankfully studios are stepping up angel studios the team that brought us sound of freedom and so many other great movies recently is leading the charge they are now back with a new project that could not come at a better time it's called king of kings and it is the story about a father who's sharing the life of jesus with his son at bedtime but through the boy's imagination it transforms into a sweeping animated journey through life and miracles and the sacrifice of christ it is intimate it is powerful and it is visually absolutely stunning this is not just for kids either it's for families we're going to go this weekend uh it is uh for uh believers it's really anyone who who wants to see the greatest story why are you doing and the cast luckily gl, Glenn Beck is not in it,

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40 off now all right so we survived yesterday thank goodness yesterday was kind of scary there for a while uh because when i first got in they were screaming on television 37 minutes before the stock market and they're like oh okay all right um and then it turns out to be like nothing i mean we lost one percent but really from in the morning this is gonna be the worst day in the history of all mankind you remember january 6 gonna be worse than that okay all right calm down so you know europe it went down six percent markets worldwide went down we went down one percent and uh that's because president trump who announced a zero for zero tariff scheme i love that word used all over in in mainstream media today, Trump's tariff scheme. Oh, that sounds honest, doesn't it? Would slap 20% duty on things like from the European Union.
Well, European Union came out yesterday led by their trade commissioner, who I'm not even going to attempt to even pronounce the name because it has like little down arrows over four of the letters in the name. So I don't even know what that means.
Anyway, they countered with their own zero for zero proposal yesterday. And Trump said, no, not good enough.
They're like a zero for zero. No.
Why? He said, you got to buy oil from us. Now, in a sane world, they would immediately go, OK, can we get a good deal on that? If we're buying all of our oil from you, can we get a good deal on that? Yes.
We'll give you a great deal. Buy your oil from us.
And everybody in NATO would go, hey, that'll keep us off the teat of Russia and China. What do you say we buy oil and gas from the United States? So it's a good thing because just like all of the NATO conversations that they've been having with the EU, if the United States has a national interest at stake, you want to go in and march across Europe? Wait a minute.
They are a major factor to our economy because they are buying our oil. I don't think you're going to do that.
Are they this blind to not understand what is happening now? We're no longer going to fight the wars just to fight wars. No, unless it's in our national interest.
Now, it is in our national interest to have a strong West, but not for free, gang. No.
So I told you last week that he named the tariffs Liberation Day, and I think that is because after World War II, we had Liberation Day. We had the day where everybody is free from the Nazis and everything else.
And the United States did something that no country has ever, ever, ever even considered doing. First of all, we became the broker to bring all of the art and everything else back that had been stolen.
We didn't take those spoils for ourselves. We returned them to the original orders and we're still doing it.
It's incredible.

Nobody has ever done that.

Then we had the Marshall Plan.

That was $13 billion, but in today's money, that's $135 billion.

Between 1948 and 1952, why?

What was it?

We were rebuilding so they could have factories to open up for their people.

Now, an evil country would just say, no, you're going to buy everything from us. You will be our slaves now.
We rebuilt Europe so they could have jobs and factories. We helped them rebuild Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz.
Hello? Okay, we didn't have any obligation to do it, but we saw it as morally

right, so we did it. So we allowed the high tariffs on American goods while keeping ours low because

it was good for them. And we also shouldered the burden of their defense through NATO.
We spent

billions of dollars annually. The U.S.
defense spending accounts for 68% of NATO's total budget, roughly $560 billion last year alone. Meanwhile, Europe was prospering.
Now, why aren't they now? Because they had sugar daddy that would be there for the old. When you have a sugar daddy, you tend to get lazy.
Why are the American people so lazy now? Because we have the United States government being everybody's sugar daddy. Oh, they'll just give it to me.
Oh, it doesn't matter if I make a mistake with trillions of dollars. They'll just bail me out.
That doesn't work. Okay? It didn't work for them.
It's not working for us. So we go down this road after Liberation Day the first time, and we get to the 1970s, and now we're getting fat and sassy.
And we're like, you know what? We control the whole world. We can just make stuff up.
And so we decide to get off the gold standard because half of the politicians want to have big war and the other half wants to have, you know, big, big welfare state. Well, you can't do both.
And like any good parent, our government said, you can have both. You know what? You can have both.
Yeah. And so we got off the gold standard.
But we played a trick on everybody. Okay? When we got off the gold standard, everybody around the world went, wait a minute, wait a minute.
We hold your dollars because they're as good as gold. We can turn a dollar in to your Federal Reserve or your Treasury, and we can demand we get a dollar's worth of gold.
Now you're saying you're not going to have that standard anymore, so I can't take a

dollar and buy a dollar's worth of gold? No, but you can trust us. Oh, run from those people.
So we said, we've made a special deal that's going to be super good for everybody. We're going to have U.S.
dollars become a petrodollar. You'll only be able to buy Saudi Arabia's oils, oil and oil from OPEC by using a U.S.
dollars become a petrodollar. You'll only be able to buy Saudi Arabia's oil and oil from OPEC by using a U.S.
dollar. So it's as good as gold.
It's just black gold. Oh, okay.
And then when that didn't do enough, we also said to them, by the way, we're going to also just come in and we're going to buy all, you know, you bought Maytag washing machines and everything else. We're going to move Maytag to your countries so you can build it and we'll become your buyers now.
We'll become the buyer of the world. Okay, you really, that's not a good idea just to become the consumer of the world.
Eat, eat, eat, eat, eat. No, you also have to do some other things.
And we do export a lot of things, but we're not able to sustain ourselves. Every country should be able to sustain itself.
So we created the demand for German machinery from Japanese TVs and everything else. The petrodollar made it happen.
And then what happened? Our manufacturing jobs start dropping from 33% of the U.S. employment in 1950.
Now manufacturing jobs only 8%. And I'm not saying that manufacturing is the place you ought to be, but it's important to understand what else was happening at the same time because of manufacturing.
Our system was reshaped. And this is, again, why Donald Trump is saying this is Liberation Day.
Our country was reshaped. Our society was shaped in subtler ways.
After World War I and World War II, we started having the assembly line and everything else, and we retooled our education. Now, why? Why did we go from one of the world's best educators with the best educated in the world, in the history of the world, to a bunch of just morons.
Have you met the American people lately? We're just morons. Why? Because the giant corporations did not need thinkers.
They wanted just obedient workers. This is why, and I just, I want you to hold on to this because it explains everything about our education system and you heard it a million times when you went to school boys and girls take out your pencils and your paper and write this down because this will be on the test what does that tell? That tells you the teacher is teaching to the test and is teaching you what to think, not how to think.
Okay? Why? Because if you're in the assembly line, I don't need you to think. Just do it.
Well, but why am I putting this and this together? Wouldn't

it be better? No, just do it. Okay? You're not a thinker.
Those people went to college. They have a degree.
That's why you couldn't get into business unless you had a college degree, because you had to learn how to think if you were going to work in the office upstairs above the factory all All right? So this was all planned for this economy the way it was working. Now we spend more money per pupil, $14,825 per pupil in 2022, yet we're 36th in math, 13th in reading, and we've created the most expensive and least effective educational system the world has ever seen.
Is that working for us? Is the way we fight our wars working for us? Because we then also became the world's policemen. After World War II, we said, you know what, we'll take care of this.
Since the Cold War's end, we have been fighting the same way that we were fighting back in 1948 and 52 against the Soviet Union. Everything was geared for that big kind of war.
That's over now. It's over.
The U.S. military spent $6 trillion on military operations in the Middle East alone.
And what do we have to show for it? Strained alliances, a new airport that China now has that we gave to them in Afghanistan, and a ballooning national debt of $34 trillion. So now this puts us into like the 1990s.
And we're seeing that this is going to start to come apart and this is in the 80s ronald reagan started talking about saying there's a debt and we're gonna have to pay this someday and it's social security and everything else these things don't work the math doesn't work out and he said soon after the turn of the century you will see it will start to fall apart, and we will be out of good options. We should fix it now.
And everybody said that, but that's when they came up with it. We got a lockbox.
We got a little lockbox. We're putting all the money from Social Security in a little lockbox.
They don't have a lockbox. Okay? That was a lie again.
But it was just to say, we got a lockbox, so you can have it all. No, no.
So now we have $34 trillion in debt. And instead of addressing the root causes, what did our elites do? This is the key to all of it.
You want to understand what Donald Trump is trying to do. This is the key to all of it.
And I'll explain it in 60 seconds. It's hard to nail down exactly when change happened, but somewhere along the line, grocery shopping started to feel a lot like gambling.
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Okay, so sometime, I think, during the Clinton administration, the elites understood that, wait a minute, this thing is not sustainable. The way it's running, it's not sustainable.
And a lot of them didn't believe in the United States. They didn't believe in the freedom of the Declaration of Independence and our Bill of Rights, et cetera, et cetera.
And so they thought, you know, there's a lot of stuff bad about America. So is it that bad that it's going to pass away? No, but we don't want a revolution.
We don't want blood in the streets. So let's just manage the decline.
Okay? And we can even help it along. Enter the modern climate change agenda, which is not about saving the planet.
It is about helping the decline of the West, killing our energy supply. All this ESG, social government standards, DEI, even BLM, all of this stuff is rooted in various social concerns, but they're co-opted into a broader narrative.
Decouple America from its history, its entrepreneurial spirit, its faith. Everything that empowers the individual and fosters self-reliance, we've got to undermine it.
So this is the managed decline. And that is in stark contrast to what made America, America.
Because what made us was we had a country of stable laws. We were unified, not in our differences.
We were unified in the few principles that we had in common, our Bill of Rights. So we had stable laws rooted in the longest running constitution in the world, provided a predictable framework for business, a stable government, all of this stuff, educated populace, hardworking, ethical people that were God-fearing, and abundant cheap energy.
Okay. How much of that is true anymore? You want to make America great, you've got to fix those things.
So what is Donald Trump really doing? Why would he say, no, Europe, I got you, I see you're zero, zero, but you're going to buy our oil as well. his strategy is a radical departure from the post-war order.
It's high stakes, do not get me wrong, but it's to force the world to renegotiate on America's terms to shape the next chapter of the world. When he rejected the zero for zero offer from Europe, he wasn't just playing hardball.
He's signaling a new era by our energy. We're your friends in the West.
Let's help each other. This isn't a charity.
This is a partnership. And when it's good for both sides, then that's a great partnership.
Most favored nation status should mean mutual benefit, not one-sided sacrifice. So his approach is really what they tried to do, I guess, with the American Free Trade Agreement in 94.
But that had so many flaws in it and everything else. But it's can we just bring people together that are friends and let's help each other, all of us, win? Now, I want you to know, agree or disagree, it's really a bold plan, a very bold plan, and a little frightening at times.
It's like a rollercoaster ride. Um, I kind of sit in the back seat and I'm like, it's going to be interesting to see how this all works out.
You know, that's the way you have to, it's the way, if you're going to survive, you have to watch society be engaged at your level with your friends, your family, but you need to say, going to be interesting to see how they work this out. I have no idea how this goes.
But this is a new dawn now. And that's what you have to understand.
That's what he's shooting for, a new dawn. The great reset, except it's a reset in reverse.
Instead of managing decline, Trump is aiming to save the patient. he believes and I believe you believe, I think that our best days are not behind us.

They're ahead.

And when you want to win big, you have to risk big.

You know, Europe wasn't built with with a lot of strings attached.

We did attach some strings. They're not rushing to our aid now, nor should we expect them to.
We don't need any foreign strings. We need to stand on our own.
You know, Elon Musk said, I hope the United States and Europe can establish a very close partnership, effectively creating a free trade zone between Europe and North America. That's worth fighting for.
It is. And if you see the world, I think the way the president sees it, the way I see it right now, this is a huge gamble to revitalize our country, to face the future and have a promise for our kids,

that to me is a gamble worth taking.

This is Glenn Beck.

And with that said, Trump's announcing more tariffs on China.

Great.

By the way, next week we may be tariffing the moon.

But anyway, we've been trying to fix this bleeding system.

I can't say enough.

I trust his instincts more than any politician I think I've encountered in my lifetime.

But even when the right guy is at the wheel, that doesn't mean that he's right all the time or the road won't be bumpy.

So what do we do?

Well, you don't panic, for one. You don't go out and sell all your stocks because Jim Cramer says to sell all your stocks.
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you you don't want you don't want to miss anything in the next 60 minutes um we have amy parns on with us coming up in about a half an hour she is she's one of the co-authors of fight inside the wildest battle for the white house uh she is the co-author of the book about Joe Biden's decision to not seek re-election and the loss of Kamala Harris. I got a few questions.
I have a few questions we're going to be asking her coming up in just a second. Also, did you see, Stu, that Gina Carano has just won a lawsuit against Disney? Yeah, that's a big...
That doesn't normally happen, does it? No, it really... Disney has some big lawyers.
No. And there's a reason for that.
Walt Disney learned his lesson at about 19, I think, 29 or 30-something. He had Oswald the Rabbit.
And he leaves them. He leaves Universal.
And he's like, Don't worry. And Universal's like, All right, well, go ahead.
And he's like, We're not afraid. I got Oswald the Rabbit.
and he's like don't worry and universal's like all right well go ahead and he's like we're not afraid i goes i got oswald the rabbit and they're like no actually we have oswald the rabbit and he had already quit he had already put the gears into motion and he had nothing oh he didn't realize he didn't own that he no he had no idea so he gets on a train and his brother is freaking out in the west coast he's's like, wait a minute, what? And he's like, yeah, well, don't worry, I got something else. He had nothing.
He gets on the train and he starts doodling and on a napkin, he draws a Mickey Mouse. This is why you love him so much.
These stories. Oh, yeah.
I love it. Yeah, he risked everything and he had actually nothing.
But then he made it up afterwards and it all worked out. It all worked out.
Anyway, what are you saying? Anyway, so he was bound and determined, I will never be behind the eight ball ever again. So he created the nastiest attorney firm in the history of the world.
I don't think there's any corporation that is more nasty than, you know, than the Disney Corporation. Here we have two stories now.
We have Gina Carano. And the last time I saw somebody win was Sage Steele.
Yeah, that's right. That's two women that have beaten Disney.
I think that's remarkable. I wanted to call our good friend Sage Steele, get her on.
Sage, how are you? Hello, Glenn. I'm great.
Thank you. And I'm so happy for Gina.
It's not over yet, but this is a major battle that she won. Right.
She actually, now Disney has to turn over information about how everybody is paid on the Mandalorian and any other wars shows um uh and they didn't want to do that but would you agree with me sage that that's just that's a remarkable win absolutely it's a huge win and also i mean disney's delay tactics have just been ongoing and they lost that too a couple of months ago when they were trying to get

the lawsuit thrown out all together and judge said let's go quit procrastinating and so this is massive because when you look at how they paid other stars on these projects Pedro Pascal Rosario Dawson other people basically this is about Disney trying to hide what they've been paying those people this whole time, um, while allowing them to go off on social media and Pedro Pascal, you know, comparing Donald Trump to Hitler, one of those, and that's fine to do on your social media, but Gina Carano gets fired. So now that they have to reveal these financial records, this goes to show what Gina would have made had they not wrongly terminated her.
And this is a major, major victory. What is it like when you realize? Oh, good Lord, they're sending the mouse with the briefcase my way.
What is that like when you realize you're in a lawsuit against Disney? Well, first of all, filing the lawsuit against Disney is not fun right did everybody in the room when you said that would everybody go uh what did you just say you're gonna do yeah you idiot yeah i mean david versus goliath for sure i mean i had disney i had disney i had gina on my show last summer and i hadn't met her i of course had followed her story followed her story. And when we met, we just hugged.
And it was an emotional episode because we both understood in a very unique way that I hope many others don't have to understand the fear that comes with it. But at some point, you get pushed around enough and you say, no, this is wrong.
And if I stay silent, then it's on me. And then I know personally, I couldn't have looked myself in the mirror and Gina felt the same way.
And she has worked so hard and done so professionally, you know, to the nth degree for all those years. Gina, the one thing I didn't have, and my attorney is the best in the business, Brian Friedman, who represented Megyn Kelly, who represents Tucker Carlson, who's representing Justin Baldoni against crazy Blake Lively right now.
My attorney is the best, and he is a dear friend of mine now, too. Gina has Elon Musk on her side.
Financially, she's in a little different situation than me because Elon Musk is putting the bill for her because he's standing up for what's right and the First Amendment. So you look at Gina, what do you think you have? What was it that you bonded with on that episode that you did? Initially, I think it was the obvious, okay, wow, two people who stood up to Disney, two women.
Like, what happened? Like, who are we? What happened to our lives? And it was just that obvious bond because it was such a big deal and people going, whoa. But more so, it was the betrayal that we felt coming from what we once thought was the best company on earth, and such an honor to work with them and for them.
And then when you realize that you are just cast aside because you didn't believe what they wanted us to believe, which goes against everything they preach, diversity of thought and acceptance and inclusion and all of those things, you realize that they were full of it. And people that you looked up to, people that you worked alongside for years and years and years, and what they said about you publicly and privately, certainly never to your face.
There is just a real sense of loss for relationships because Gina is as tough as they get. I have realized that I'm tougher than I thought and never wanted to be, but Gina is as tough as they get.
And she was hurt. I think that's kind of, and this is not like, oh, woe is me.
We never, Gina doesn't want sympathy. This is about what's right.
And calling these companies out. And that's the other thing we bonded on is calling these companies out, the biggest companies in the world, because if we don't and expose it, because we have the ability based on platforms that we've, you know, it's a blessing to have had these platforms, right? If we don't use them to expose and therefore hopefully maybe fingers crossed prevent other companies from doing the same BS to these people, women, men, anywhere, doesn't matter.
Black, white, green, blue, LGBT, I don't care. Just treat us equally and not punishing us if we don't agree with what you say, because by the way, you're going to say this today and that tomorrow, who can keep up diversity of thought, first amendment.
And so we bonded over so much. And I just, I admire her and her courage to continue this because she completely threw her career away as well, as people said I did, but look, she's standing up for what's right.
And Glenn, I told you when we were together last month doing your show in Texas, the harder right versus the easier wrong. Gina is doing the harder right.
And that takes courage. I'm so honored to know her.
And I tell you, I think you grow from this. You're seeing new success.
She's seeing new success. And you have become bigger than what you were in many ways because you're now a human success story.
You now have experienced strife and trouble and come out the other side and realizing I didn't hurt so much. I mean, it hurt, but it didn't hurt like I thought I was going to hurt.
I thought I was going to burn myself up. And I didn't.
And so you become this, this additional success story that I think, you know, you look at, you look at the, what's the woman who's now playing Snow White, whatever her name is. Yeah.
So, you know, they're not firing her, which a must drive you nuts. They're not firing her.
And she tubed the crown jewel. I mean, next to Mickey Mouse, it is Snow White.
That's the movie that built that company. And for her to go in and destroy the story of Snow White, all of that money, because you guys weren't bleeding money on you and your point of view or her point of view.
Absolutely not. Right? Absolutely not.
I mean, you figure no matter who's in office, about half the country agrees with you, right? Yeah. Which means either half disagrees.
It's usually right down the middle. And they could have gotten out of that mess with Rachel, I think, over a year ago when she first started to mouth off and maybe too much had been invested.
If nothing else, why don't you at least have a chat? OK, fine, don't fire her like you did us. And I didn't get fired.
I mean, we settled my lawsuit and I chose to leave. Gina was fired, though.
Rachel was allowed to stay much worse than I think Gina ever said. And I don't know who could disagree with that.
And you could show the direct damages. You could show the damages.
Look at the numbers. Exactly.
And they chose to stick with her. And now look, so you reap what she's so for sure.
But the double standard is the reason what must be what must be called out. And they could have at least pulled Rachel aside and said, we need you to camp down a little bit.
This isn't good for business. Maybe they didn't.
She didn't listen. If so, okay, that's a whole other story.
But to your point about like what you gain when you do stand up, you realize it's just a lot bigger than you. And when people come up to Gina and come up to me, and I've had fathers come up to me because they've been afraid to stand up for their daughters in sports and why are boys competing against their daughter because they're afraid to go to the school board meeting and get fired the fear is real like we know that so I am so grateful that I chose to stand up and I know Gina is because the people that you are affecting just by doing that standing up in her case for freedom of true of speech.
It is everything that's so much bigger than any career I could have dreamt of having. And same with her.
Disney is getting their comeuppance and they need to. And they seem to it's so obvious.
They do this to themselves. And that is why so many people were more than OK to see what's happening with the Snow White debacle.
Shame on them. I may switch subject here for a second, Stu.
I'm doing something with the Diesel Brothers here in a couple of months, and I'm taking one of my 1934 race car out, and we're just going to open it up on a track and two other cars. And you were leaving my studio and you were going to the airport.
And you were like, I'll get an Uber. And I'm like, no, no, no, I'll take you to the airport.
I'm going that way. So I take you to the airport.
And you are the biggest car hound. I mean, I'd be broke if I were married to you because you'd let me buy all the cars.
My wife is like, stop it Stop. I'd be like what are we buying this weekend babe? I know.
Listen the one thing I regret the biggest regret I have in life right now is that I didn't ask you for a selfie that day when Glenn Beck drove me to the airport and what kind of car was that? It was a Continental GTC. Thank you yeah and it was forest green and it was stunning and the top was down and my wild hair was bigger than ever and i'm like no one's gonna believe this but i didn't want to be tacky and ask you you should have a selfie i want to make sure that the world knows i want to make sure you're going to come out when we do the diesel brothers thing stew is going to be there i'm going to be there and i'd love to have you and you drive one of the cars okay is everybody listening you can pay this back glenn said you drive one of the cars how are you doing on accidents do you have many accidents but i can give me that stick shift let's go no no accidents not that but i do have a little bit of a lead foot but i mean what what a waste yeah i know you don't take those cars and open them up do you like do you like uh electric engines not even an engine driven it like twice i i don't know listen i i appreciate how you barely tap it and then it's like whiplash and you're gone like i appreciate that but i i guess i'm school.
Give me that clutch. I know.
Let me do it. That's the real strength and power.
Come on. Sage, great talk to you.
We'll talk again. Thanks for joining us.
Thank you, Glenn. Thank you.
Take care. Sage Steele, host of the Sage Steele Show.
You can get that wherever you get your podcast and at sagesteel.com. All right.
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Amy's with us. Amy Parnes, Hill Senior Political Correspondent, author of Fight Inside the Wildest Battle for the White House.
Amy, how are you? Hi, Glenn. Good.
Thanks for having me. You bet.
So, you know, can we play just that little collage of all the people that said this wasn't happening? Do we have that? Can we play that real quick? Joe Biden has a vision. He has knowledge.
He has a strategic thinker. This is a very sharp president.
In terms of his public presentation, if he makes a slip of the tongue here or there, what's the deal? You're asking me my personal opinion. He is sharp.
He is on top of things. He when we have meetings with him, with his staff, he's constantly pushing us getting trying to get more information.
I can tell you this was the day before that interview. I can tell you he was sharper than anyone I've spoken to about a very calm.
This was happening all the time. Amy, everyone was saying how sharp he is.
That is that was according to your book, just absolutely not true. And everybody in the White House knew that.
Go ahead. Yeah no it was it's something that we really dug into in reporting out this book and we had questions about what interactions certain people had with the president we we detail how Eric Swalwell a congressman from California for example attended a congressional picnic with the president.
We detail how Eric Swalwell, a congressman from California, for example, attended a congressional picnic with the president a year before the debate debacle, a disaster. And he had to almost remind then President Biden who he was.
And this was someone who he competed against in the 2020 presidential election. He should know who he is.
and there's detail after detail about that in this book you know that you in your book you talk about how there were bets being made how they were looking you know shopping for judges on who was going to swear her in they thought he was going to die before the election um i mean did you did you get the sense from anyone while you're researching this book that anyone thought maybe this isn't really good for the Constitution? I mean, that's why right now you're seeing a lot of errors thrown in the direction, excuse me, of the former president and his aides. People are really, really upset about they think it's a cover up.
They think that, you know, they should have been more candid, even within their own party, about the president's cognitive abilities. And, you know, Glenn, I covered the president for a long time.
And I tried to get after the story. And the White House constantly, I know my colleagues were as well,

it's not like any of us were asleep at the switch, but the White House would batter us when we asked questions about his mental acuity and his age. It was a constant, constant battle.
But was there anybody that knew that should have spoken out? I mean, in the press or anything? I mean, it's one thing to speculate.

It's one thing to,'s one thing to speculate it's one thing to i hear rumors but and if you're you're shut off from it but you know in the white house it seems like there were quite a few people that knew this is a disaster yeah a who's running the country at that point? Who was the president?

This close set of advisors kept him really close. And that's why I think you didn't see him as much.
Right now, President Trump is out there talking to reporters every day. I think the press corps wanted to see Biden do some similar things and take a similar media approach.
and he did not.

And we detail in the book,

there's a fundraiser where someone says that he looks like he's going to die at the fundraiser. There are other moments where we take you inside Phil Murphy's house and we detail how he's speaking to just a couple of a couple dozen fundraisers at a small house and he needs fluorescent tape on the floor to guide him from place to place he needs a teleprompter you know these aren't common things for a house at a house yes um and you know makeup when he this is this was another revelation book.
Whenever he traveled overseas, he was met with a makeup artist. That was his first order of business.
Sometimes he missed meetings because the makeup artist was there to touch him up. They were clearly concerned about the optics around his age and around his mental acuity.
you you in one point that the makeup artist, he goes in, he sits down for the makeup, and then he calls it a day. And that was it.
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, these are aides that were talking to us about this.
Obviously, they knew about it. And they said at times he looked really frazzled.
He would get out of the limousine and, you know, would look around and wouldn't know where he was. And so, yeah, it's very startling, even to the people who were telling us these stories.
But, you know, it's one thing to be, it's one thing to go, yeah, that was really weird. Because it's another to realize that is the man that has to make the decision, you know, for the country, God forbid, were attacked or whatever.
And he's not there. Was there anyone inside fighting and saying, we have got to alert the American people? We have to invoke the 25th Amendment.
It's 25th, isn't it, Sue? Yeah.

We've got to invoke the 25th Amendment. This isn't right.

The people have put their power in this man.

He is no longer capable of making these decisions.

I think a lot of people would have had respect for that.

Instead, I walk away going, was there no one that cared about the Constitution and cared about what could have happened with this guy in charge? No. And I think that's why you're seeing so much fire aimed at his close set of advisors right now, because they could have been more candid.
And, you know, Democrats in general, I think, were confused as to his cognitive abilities. I think the reason he wanted to do this debate and his advisors wanted to do this debate earlier, the one, the disastrous one in June last year, is because they wanted, they knew that he was losing in the polls.
Obviously, they wanted to change the trajectory of this race. And they thought that that was a moment that could help him.
Instead, it brought out, you know, it showed him to display everything for the American public. So I honestly thought for the longest time that they did that knowing somebody was like, no, let's put him on the stage and let's do it now before, you know, things get completely out of hand and he's going to be running for reelection.
I really thought they put him on stage that early because I'd never seen that happen before in American politics, put him on stage that early so he would be exposed and everybody would be like, OK, we can't run him. No, and what's fascinating, Glenn, is that we take you inside.
I mean, we opened the book inside Nancy Pelosi's living room, and she's watching the debate alone. She had warned President Biden at the time.
She said, oh, you don't want to debate Trump. And she mentioned it under the guise of, oh, why would you belittle yourself and appear on stage with him? But she knows.
And Jim Clyburn, who's also watching the debate alone in his living room, and we take you inside there, he's having a drink and watching it. They're all alone.
They're not at some debate watch party together because they almost know what is about to happen. They're watching the train wreck unfold bit by bit and alone.
So what do we do to ensure this? Well, Let me ask you, before I ask you that again, try again, who was running the country?

that's a very good question i think you know his obviously his close set of advisors had a great big role in that um you see ron clane these days sort of trying to distance himself he was the

former chief of staff trying to distance himself from the optics of

Thank you. big role in that.
You see Ron Klain these days sort of trying to distance himself. He was the former chief of staff trying to distance himself from the optics of what was happening.
But it's not but it's really not optics. It is the truth.
Somebody was making decisions because the president could you know I've I was always fascinated in history by Woodrow Wilson. edith wilson ran the white house for a while but it was his own party that came in because it was the same thing people like rumors and they're like i don't think he's really there uh and he wasn't seen for a long time and so the leadership of the party came finally forced the first lady uh and said because she was saying he's going to run for a third term and they said no no or we'll expose all of this right now he's not running for another term um uh you know but it seems to be the same thing i'm wondering how many presidents have we had that you know nobody seems to really care that the elected official isn't actually doing what that official is supposed to do.
They're just some unelected people just making the decisions. Yeah, and the fact of the matter is, Glenn, I mean, you see the former president has all but disappeared from public view since leaving office.
And I think that also speaks volumes about his state of mind. Was Kamala that in the note, which, I mean, if God forbid something would have happened, who would have grabbed the football? Who would have been the one? It would have been Kamala Harris.
And that's sort of why, I mean, you teased this earlier, but her communications director would carry around this spreadsheet of Republican judges because he felt almost that like she had to be validated in that moment. And only a Republican judge could really swear her in and and have that validation from Republicans.
He thought that there was no way that such a divisive country,

you know, and people would support her. And so we detail how he came into that role with the spreadsheet.
He traveled with it. The DNC had plans in case something happened to the president.
And we've exposed all of this for the first time in this book. Can you find any? Because I'm a self-taught historian, but I'm pretty good at it.
I've never seen anything like this in American history. Have you? It's pretty remarkable.
It's really unprecedented. And it was really interesting to report out.
You know, I think people have questions about the media and how we went about reporting this. And it's almost like the president needed to leave office for people to actually admit what was happening and tell us stories.
That's what's interesting. I think, you know, when you cover a president, they're always worried that the White House is going to come down hard on them.
And so they're less prone to want to tell you things. And then when they leave office, this is when the floodgates open up.
Is anybody going to be held accountable for this? I mean, I think right now the party, that's why you're seeing the Democratic Party scrambling. I think, first of all, they need to come out and admit what had happened here and almost look themselves in the mirror and talk about Joe Biden.
The other day, Jake Tapper asked Tim Walz about it. And Tim Walz kind of just dances around the question.
I think they need to be very frank about what was happening and what they were witnessing. And they don't want to do that right now.
You know, it's interesting to me. I just told this story on the air because people are kicking around donald trump wants to run for a third term no no that's against the constitution and that that that was put there for a very uh clear reason and it wasn't put in there by the republicans it was put in by the democrats fdr's own party when they saw what had happened to the presidency it just gained far too much power and it's not good for anybody when that happens um and you know here you have as soon as fdr died that's when all the democrats were like okay okay we got to make sure that doesn't happen again but they were for him when he was alive right it seems to be kind of the same thing here that everybody was like okay it's cool uh but is anybody going to step up now and say this cannot happen ever again i think that's what has to happen glenn someone has to take responsibility for it and um no one is and i'm curious to see how the Democrats reckon with this.
Amy, thank you very much. I'm glad somebody finally told the story and got the story.
It is, if we don't fix this, it's just going to happen again and it'll happen with the other party. I mean, it just, it will.
I mean, you give people in power an inch, they are going to take a mile, and this cannot happen.

This just cannot happen again.

Amy, thank you so much.

Thank you, Glenn.

You bet.

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What did you think of that, Stu? I thought it was very interesting. I am on the record multiple times saying I think this is a massive scandal.
And I think Republicans have not paid enough attention to it since the Trump administration started. I know they're doing a lot of stuff.
I know they're really busy, but there should be a House committee going after this for accountability reasons.

So exactly what you said doesn't happen again.

You want that to happen?

Do you want, if Donald Trump, God forbid,

you know, had a stroke or whatever,

that's what happened to Woodrow Wilson,

had a stroke.

Would you want that to happen

and you not know about it

and just, you know, the people around him were running the White House?

Because, you know, you trust them.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

The person we elect must be the person in charge.

And if they can't handle it, that's what the 25th Amendment is for.

You go and, you know, we didn't have this for a long time. And it was after Kennedy, wasn't it? Or was it FDR? I think it was Kennedy.
If something happens, the vice president has the responsibility to step up. I mean, the one that should be really held responsible is Kamala Harris.
She knew she should have gone to the cabinet because it's the vice president only that can make this call. The vice president has to go to the cabinet or the cabinet comes to the vice president and says, Mr.
or Mrs. Vice President, this is what's happening.
Or she goes and says, cabinet members, the president is clearly not present and it can't last. I ask that you would invoke the 25th Amendment.
Yeah. And that's that's the constitutional remedy.
Right. I think it's the appropriate one.
And it's important that the other party can't invoke the 25th Amendment, only the vice president and the cabinet cabinet. But if they're all in for power and they're not there to protect the constitution if they're like i don't care how we get the power if they don't care yeah interestingly though this would have empowered the cabinet and empowered kamala harris i i think even short of that which is an extreme measure it's never been successfully done.
Well, it's never been invoked, I don't think ever.

That's an... i i think even short of that which is an extreme measure it's never been you know successfully uh well it's never been invoked i don't think ever that's what i mean it's never been you know never no one's ever gotten to the point where they successfully got it over the finish line though it's been talked about many times um just going to the media right like there was talking about it publicly they not only that they tried to get him re-elected until he got in front of the american people the american people like whoa what is going on this is really happening this isn't just some you know a glenn beck fever dream that this guy no no it wasn't as soon as they saw it the whole thing changed but they that could have happened so much earlier and frankly it would have helped the democrats if it did if in 2022 this happened and kamala harris came to the media and said you know look you know this it would have gone in multiple levels of leaks before this point but kamala harris goes to the media and says look joe biden's a great man he's doing great things he's doing everything he can but you know unfortunately you know age always wins and you know we're in a difficult situation it's time for him to step down he would do it she would have been president for a couple of years and may have won re-election may have won who knows i mean it was pathetic at every single level but it was also misleading the american people in a way that is absolutely unconstitutional and wrong and needs we need to have a remedy for it can't use misleading that's a harsh terrible line glenn beck must be present in certain states visit prizepicks.com for restrictions and details uh all this stress gets me to the point of like i'm just thinking of of what time of year it is and it's baseball time ah i was watching baseball last night baseball last night.
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BlazeTV.com. so the uh amazing the um the doctor that you know was joe biden's doctor uh said everything was, everything was, was great.

He was just fabulous.

Was it Dr.

Nick from the Simpsons?

I think it was.

I think it was.

I'm starting to wonder.

Kevin O'Connor.

They are now saying that he is going to be grilled by the Republicans who are

now,

you know,

investigating the cognitive decline.

Ronnie Jackson from Texas said he's absolutely positively will be implicated in the cover-up of all of this. He's a massive, massive part.
Remember, it was right after the debate, right after the resignation that he was like, no, he's good. He's all good.
Remember when they had the guy from um what was he was a it wasn't an alzheimer's guy he was um i remember this controversy parkinson's someone yeah it was someone who visited and yeah and they were like no he was just uh he was upstairs uh he actually he's a fuller brush salesman yeah why uh and they, no, he's not being Parkinson's. What are you talking about? Yeah.
He's going to be called in as well. I do think that it's interesting the type of accountability and massive scandal we're talking about here.
A big part of that process are journalists actually doing their job amy parnes one of them actually doing her job we hope you know i i think i give i give i'm gonna give her a pass um you know and i appreciate coming out with it now and i give them pass i give everybody a pass because i don't know who knew what but right right there were those that were close enough that had to have known and why they didn't say anything is most likely because they would have been ostracized and a pariah and they probably would have lost their job and everything else but there are things worth standing up for i think though she kind of i'm not accusing her of no totally i totally i know you're not i think you know she outlined i think that the issue with that at the time for some people is that nobody wants to talk when you're still in power and you are you know a lot of this is you know it's a lot of cya going on too with these people it's important to understand i tried to get this out of her and i don't think she really understood the question or maybe we just look at it from from such different things sure is there no honor is it was there not one person in the biden white house in the no come on i mean not one person that said very few this is not right i mean very few would you work for joe biden no i wouldn't but i mean then how do you then how do democrats i mean right however you're gonna finish that sentence you know the answer to it right yeah they can't they can't um i do think though you're right there probably were some people and look we did get some stuff leaked out. It was just not frequent enough.
And we complained at the time that, hey, where were these stories at the time? They did a lot. I mean, think about this, Glenn.
They didn't meet with anyone in the house for years. Just that should have come out a lot earlier than it did.
Woodrow Wilson didn't meet with anybody from the House for like nine months. Yeah.
And the House went nuts. The Democrats went nuts.
Crazy. What's going on? Yeah.
And I do think that that is the type of stuff. I don't know that we could have had all the detail that's going to be in this book or some of the others that are coming out.
Because there's several that are coming out and addressing this. And I think what I'm trying, I guess I'm trying to say mostly is I think these books are important

efforts.

Even if they're not perfect,

even if it's more delayed than we want,

when it comes to accountability,

it doesn't protect us for what happened to us during the Biden

presidency,

but it has to,

we have to get it repaired.

You know,

I feel the same way about,

you know,

COVID.

Like the fact that we don't have laws that say the clear as day even during a pandemic when everyone's panicking you don't close churches right like just like how is this not that law it's called the first dimension right the first amendment but i'm saying an extra clarifying measure all of those things that we all now kind of say god that was nuts those things need to be codified and they haven't been right and i don't think and nobody's paid a price yeah who has paid a price for the millions of people you know what kills mean, we argue, you know, there's a political price that was paid in the 2024 election. Yeah, that's nothing.
That is nothing compared to millions of people died. Millions of people died.
Millions of people lost their jobs, their livelihoods, lost their children, lost their grandparents or their parents without being able to say goodbye. I mean, the list of those injured is non-ending.
And I almost feel like it's so big people don't want to deal with it, which I get at some level from a human perspective. But that's why you have a justice system, right? That doesn't care about the human perspective, right? It punishes people not based on anger or fear, but based on facts.
That's how it's supposed to work. And these things, you know, there's been some efforts on the COVID thing, you know, mostly unsuccessful.
There have been some of those books written that really go through all of this. But, you know, I don't think we, COVID was obvious.
I think that people disagreed about what the punishment should be who was responsible but i think everyone knew something went very wrong there i i feel like we're not sure people still that that everybody i would bet you a lot of people in california they don't think anything i think that went wonderfully they went swimmingly yeah they complain about the first few months under Trump and then nothing after that. Yeah.
I mean, look, there's still people walking around every once in a while. I see one in a mask and I'm like, gosh, this is still happening to a lot of people.
You know, I want to stop them and say, get help. Yeah.
I mean, sincerely, not in a way. Yeah.
Just please get help. You are living in a fantasy world right now.
And, you know, if you have a compromised immune system or whatever, or you're just Chinese, or is it Japanese that always wear the masks, or Michael Jackson, you know, well, he should get help too. But anyway, get help.
This is a serious mental issue. If you can't, at this point, go and look at the facts but is anybody really talking about them i mean you know there's not there's there's no big breakthrough here's another story it's from the daily caller hunter biden asked embassy for help with burisma's difficulties while while joe biden was vice president they've unearthed letters letters.
Oh, they unearthed them, did they?

They were probably sitting on somebody's desk when the Trump administration came in.

Probably framed on a wall going, yeah, look what I got.

They didn't unearth them.

We've known this stuff.

And now it's coming out and all of it comes out in dribs and drabs and nobody cares.

Look at the precedent that just this last administration just set. You could you could take money for your family, millions from enemies of our country, enemies and get away with it.
You can do a massive cover up. You can throw people under the bus like crazy let them go to jail for things that are absolutely your fault uh you can lie about you know somebody's health and it's the president of the united states you can do that apparently and not pay any price look at what we've set up the precedent if this if these things are not corrected that's why you know uh i'm going to washington in a couple of weeks to do the hundred uh hundred days and um i had to narrow it down to a couple of people and one one of them that I really want to talk to is Pam Bondi.

I really want to know, Pam, these things have to be corrected. Where are we? Where are we on these things? This is not revenge.
This is make sure it never happens again. You know, it was Woodrow Wilson's own party that said no.
FDR after he was there it was his own party that said, no, FDR, after he was there. It was his own party that said, never again.
It feels like we've lost that, though. We have.
That instinct is gone. And it has to happen in both parties.
I was going to say, I think it's on both sides on that one. It is.
There's a lot that I can point out. I think it's on both sides.
I don't think that there's a lot of interest anymore in holding your own side accountable, at least at some level. I mean, I think, you know, look, our audience sits here and complains about Republicans every single day.
I think generally speaking in the human being, the American people still have that, but the politicians, I don't know where they are, honestly. Right.
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It puts you into your lizard brain and then you just can't think straight anymore. It's fight or flight.

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Why do you think that this Tesla stuff is going on in the streets?

It has very little to do with Elon Musk and really hurting him.

It has a lot to do.

Keep people in their lizard brain. Do not let them get comfortable with this because once you're out of your lizard brain once you once you are like okay all right i'm so tired of this you start to think and that politicians can't have you thinking that should tell you an awful lot shouldn't shouldn't it? All right, back in just a second.
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There's just a delightful story that is coming out of Ohio. A high school teacher is accused of attempting to hire a student to murder her soon-to-be ex-husband.
But apparently the mom found out about the murder-for-hire plot because she was snooping through her son's phone, good for you, mom, and alerted police. And he was, you know, know her son was like saying to the teacher isn't somebody going to hear gunfire the neighbor's going to hear the gunshots uh no i don't care about the neighbors oh okay this woman is absolutely insane she has been terrorizing her own children and her her soon-to-be ex-husband um she's been charged with first-degree felony, conspiracy to commit murder.
But she was right there. She still had her teaching.
She was able to do teaching. So that's good.
Don't know where the unions stand on that, but the Academy for Urban Scholars High School said she's no longer employed. I love this.
As soon as as we became aware of the situation we immediately took action to terminate her employment now that's the way it should be answered right oh we can't comment on ongoing investing no are you kidding me as soon as we found out her ass was out on the street she was nuts that's the way it should be handled maybe it's just me maybe it's just me you think yeah that's i i like that approach um can i give you one more uh clip here before we go sure this is a fun one and she's my favorite i have a new favorite in the whole world oh yeah and her name is jasmine crockett love her uh you know you know sure we need to say her full name jasmine crockett for president yes okay i don't know what any year i just want her running i want more of her yeah here she is describing the illegal immigration problem uh apparently from the democratic position all right so i had to go around the country and educate people about what immigrants do for this country or the fact that we are a country of immigrants right right, right. The fact is, ain't none of y'all trying to go and farm right now.
Okay, so I'm lying. Raise your hands.
You're not. You're not.
We done picking cotton. Oh.
We are. You can't pay us enough to find a plantation.
Oh, so we're bringing in the immigrants to pick the cotton? So you're arguing on behalf of slavery? I'm sorry. This is what I said, what, three weeks ago in a monologue.
I'm like, this is what they're in effect saying. No, now she is actually saying it.
With her trademark sass. Yes, she's gonna sass you.
I love it. It's so fake and transparent.
I love it. I cannot get enough of this nonsense with her.
It's so good. It is so good.
the idea that jasmine crockett would go around the country and educate anyone is so hilarious on its face i just why can't we why can't she be on television all the time talking i want it all the time i want her to represent and she does every viewpoint i want her to be the face of the democratic party i want all of her viewpoints to be the face of the democratic party i want her explaining every policy position they have she's fantastic they're going to have a problem with that i'm looking for the report today it's in the show prep at glenbeck.com uh where is the story about the polls of the people that the democrats are like yeah we need this person to be president oh yeah i saw it's at the end of uh one of these prep i just was looking at one of these prep packets on i got it for you here we go here we go uh number one this is uh who do we need right now who who is the leader of the democratic party number one kamala harris 19 oh my god to barack obama 17 but c Booker, I guess because he made a speech recently, 14.

AOC, 8.

Sanders, 8.

Jeffries, 8.

Schumer, 6.

Crockett, only 3.

Come on.

That needs to be 80.

Cory, Cory Crockett.

That's what we need to work on that.

I'm telling you.

God, I could not take that.

We got to have her.

We got to have her.

I mean, what a lineup that is.

This is Glenn Beck.