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I was, last night, my wife and I have been watching for the last couple of weeks

this limited series.

I think it's on Netflix called Adolescence. Has anybody seen that? Oh, I've heard a lot about it.
Oh. Is it good? Oh, yeah.
Okay. But it's scary.
It's scary because it is absolutely what's happening in our society with our kids and parents. I mean, absolutely.
And I had a hard time shaking it. I mean, last night, we watched we watched the last episode last night and I must have cried for, I'm going to cry now for like 25 minutes because I related to the dad.
And it was just like, when you're a parent of an adolescent now, you don't know what the heck is happening to them.

You don't know what they're, you don't have any idea anymore.

And, oh my gosh and then i get up and i i read the story about austin metcalf you heard this story true story just down the street from the studios here uh and i'll i'll share that with you here in just a second it's's Friday. We have good news as well.
We added 220,000 jobs. We went up in unemployment 4.1 to 4.2.
That's not good. And this is before the tariffs hit.
But that was the good news. Wait, that was the good news? What the? i want to talk to you today uh because i'm kind of in a mood and it's not gonna go well uh so 888-727-BECK get your voice uh heard by america i'd love to know what you're thinking uh what you're feeling um and you know you disagree with me on something i'd love to hear it.
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So Austin Metcalf, he's a 17-year-old student from Frisco Memorial High School just up the street from Dallas, Texas. He was stabbed on April 2nd.
What is this? Today's the third, isn't it is today the third fourth fourth okay so two days ago he's at a track meet in a stadium in frisco now frisco is a is a nice suburb okay um and uh what happened is apparently it was all about where people are to sit. And according to witness accounts and an arrest affidavit, what happened, Austin and his twin brother, Hunter, come up and they ask this guy, Carmelo Anthony, 17-year-old student from Frisco Centennial High School.
Not the basketball player, by the way. Okay, thank you.
Anyway, to move from... I know you didn't know that, but everyone in the audience is like, wait, what? Who? Carmelo? Why? So he was sitting under the Memorial High School team's tent, and that was for the team.
And so these two guys come in, and they say, hey, dude, can you move? This is just for the team and then anthony uh he becomes aggressive and challenged austin saying really i'm not moving and touch me and you'll see what happens and um it gets worse and then when austin touched or grabbed anthony to insist that move anthony pulls out a knife and stabs him in the chest. Jeez.
Okay. He's been arrested.
The victim is dead. And here's his twin brother talking about it.
You can picture what happened when, you know, what was coming out of his chest. Yeah, yeah.
Y'all can visualize that. I just thought I wanted to put that on my mom right now,

but I put my hand, I pushed my hand on there to try to make it stop, and I grabbed his head, and I looked at his eyes. I just saw his phone leave, and it took my soul, too.
Jeez, man. I...
jeez man apparently this was the only time they've ever met each other this is only this is a disagreement over hey dude you can't sit here that was it killed for that has life become so meaningless that that will get you killed? No prior relationship, no problems between the two. That's it.
In case you couldn't understand, he said he was there pushing his hands on his brother because blood was coming out of his chest.

And he was pressing on his chest trying to make the blood to stop. He said, I grabbed his head.
I looked in his eyes. I saw his soul leave and mine left me too.
It's so hard to be a parent now. My gosh, it's so hard to be a parent.
A friend of mine said, have you and Tonya watched Adolescence? No. Is it good? Oh, it's really good.

And they film it.

It's like it's one take.

The entire hour is one take.

There's no edits in it.

It's amazing.

It's amazing.

Really well done.

Really well acted.

Most people probably won't even notice that there's no edits.

But if you notice that, you're like, holy cow, how did they do this? I mean, it's perfect, perfect. And it's compelling.
And it starts with the police in England breaking down the door of this person's house at six o'clock in the morning, and it's all filmed in real time. So it's three hours filmed in real time.
And so police come in, break down the door and the parents are like, you got the wrong house. You got the wrong house.
I need to go upstairs to your son's room. Where is your son? You have the wrong house.
We're just, you know, normal people here. Here's the warrant.
Get out of the way or I will arrest you. And they come guns a blazing and they go right into the son's house.
They point their rifles at him. Is this your name?

Yes. Here's the warrant.
Get out of the way or I will arrest you. And they come guns a-blazing and they go right into the son's house.
They point their rifles at him. Is this your name? Yeah.
Now he's a 13-year-old kid. Yeah.
You're under arrest for murder. And the kid is just like, Dad, Mom, I didn't do anything.
What's going on? Stand up. He stands up.

It shows he's wet his pants. I would have too.
I mean, it's terrifying the first five minutes of it. And you're like, what is this? Out of control police, yada, yada, yada.
And I'm not going to tell you one way or another, did he kill or not or whatever. But the experience that you see the kid go through.
Then the second episode is an hour with the police at the school. And you see this is in a small town in England.
And you can see because there's some, you know, I don't know how they did this. It's like a drone shot that's way up in the sky,

and then it comes down, and there's no edit.

And then all of a sudden, it just becomes the camera

that is following everybody around the whole time.

It is crazy.

But when the drone shot is up, you see this is like a rural town, a small town.

And then you go to the school in that episode, and you see what the students are like, what they're talking about, how callous they are on life. I mean, I know kids can be mean.
I mean, I didn't know it when I was a kid, but good heavens. It's shocking to me that any of us survived adolescence because kids are so mean.
Maybe they're meaner than they were when we were growing up, but oh my gosh, I didn't realize. I thought boys were bad.
Nah, boys are a piece of cake compared to girls. Girls are wicked to each other, just wicked.
and so you know as a parent who's now my sweet dear last daughter is moving out in a couple of weeks uh finished adolescence everybody made it out alive but oh boy, the last 10 years have been just relentless, relentless. And if you listen to the show, you know my kids have had many of the problems that your kids probably have had.
Gotten way, way lost. Way lost.
And we're good parents. but every day you just feel like a horrible parent because you're like, I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do. And so you see the police and what the kids going through is police.
Then you see what

school is like and what all of our

kids are actually dealing with. And it's

terrifying. And then the

last episode is just

the parents and

the aftermath and they're dealing with

you know, what

happened? What's just happening

to our life? It's like

three days. I want to curse the friend who turned me on to it because it should come with a warning.
By the way, this is going to seem very real to you. But it's this.
It's the story that just happened at this track meet here in Texas. It's the same story.
Is there no value to life anymore? Have we become so, you know, the parent, the dad, at one point in adolescence said, I mean, he was up in his room. I mean, I was up in my room.
I mean, what could possibly go wrong? What could possibly go this wrong? And you know the internet is bad. You know it's, you have no idea.
We have no idea. And I've always hated helicopter parents.
But my gosh, if you're not a helicopter parent in your own home you read the jonathan height book yes oh my gosh as big of a mistake as watching adolescence apparently it's real don't get me wrong it's some of the best acting some of the best storytelling it's so well. Such a good story.
And the Jonathan Haidt book is a legit must read for any parent of anyone who is, especially of the younger ages. I mean, you need to know this information before you get to 12, 13, 14, if you can.
But it's still worth reading afterward. But yeah, I mean, it's terrifying.
I don't think I would, based on your cell here, I don't think I'm in on adolescence. I don't think I can handle it.
I don't know. I don't know if I would watch it again.
I mean, I watched it because they said, Glenn, you're going to love it because the way it's shot and it's so different and everything else. And so I was, you know, I was in on that.
I didn't listen to what they said the story was because we started, I'm like, what's this story about? Yeah. And you're your cinematography nerd.
Yeah. And so I just, and it was fantastic.
I mean, I'd watch the first episode over and over again, just to, just to admire how it was done. That wasn't, that's not, it shouldn't have been sold on that part.
Because especially if you, but if you want to understand how screwed up our children are, just watch that. Watch that.
Is that real? Because I remember watching, remember the movie, was it Kids? Did it come out in like the 90s or the 2000s? Do you remember that movie? And it was a really super dark vision of what teenage years were, right? It was terrible. I mean, it was, you know, the kids were bad.
They were bad boys and girls. And they did lots of bad boys and girl things.
And it wasn't my experience at all as a child. I mean, nothing even remotely close to anything like it.
If I remember kids, it's not as accurate as Megan or Megan 2. Megan 2 is much more.
I mean, Megan 2 is one that really went on the... No.
I don't remember that one. This one I think is actually pretty good.
Another one was, what was the HBO series with Sidney Sweeney and, oh gosh, what the... Euphoria.
Yeah, it is another one. I didn't see that one.
Again, it's just this incredibly dark, they're all doing drugs, they're all hooking up. It's not like that.
You don't see any of that stuff. You just see how they're relating doing drugs they're all hooking up it's not like it's not like that okay it's it's

you don't see any of that stuff you just see how they're relating to each other and how social media has just sucked them into an alternate world you know what i mean yeah it's but it's a spin on these on the two stories i'm telling you like it's it's this kids get in the wrong way everything starts snowballing.

They become,

they're in this dark period and you, as a parent, you have no control. No matter all the great things you try to do to solve it, there's no control.
And I, as a parent of kids who were just hitting those ages, you, you realize and must surrender at some level, your idea that you can control the situation. I will do everything I can to control it, but also know that there's, it's like the court system right now.
They're all like, Oh, we can do this, this, and this, and this. And at the end of the day, like people keep bringing up, actually, you don't have an army.
And that's how I feel as a parent. Yeah.
I don't know. Will any of this stuff work? I don't know.
I don't want to put myself. You know, I myself you know i gotta tell you the last the last the last episode because it's just about the parents you could watch that last episode and you could just just watch that and you will so relate you because the parents are in so many ways you they're just trying to survive yeah and they're trying to hold their marriage together and they're just trying to figure things out and it feels like the world is completely against them, and they did their best, and they're just people, they're hardworking people that just tried to do, you know, the dad says at one point, you know, my dad was abusive, and I just tried to be better than my dad, and I was better than my dad.
But that didn't mean anything um and it's i mean it's just heart too close to home glenn i'm watching i'm watching family guys yeah that's what i'm doing with my weekend back in just a second let me tell you a story about the storm that didn't hit it's the dead heat of the summer and off the coast of florida in the gulf of america thank you very much hurricane season barreling towards the land everywhere for miles most people are clearing shelves in the stores they're panicking they're stocking up like it's the end of the world and then the storm never comes just peters out over the water never even makes landfall and the people who panic bought began to realize half of what they got wasn't even what they truly needed. They have eight million rolls of toilet paper now, but none of the emergency medicines that they might have needed, for example.
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I mean, it's bad. I know.
And you have a voice where millions of people hear you every day, and I know you know that this is going to end very bad and I'm just wondering why you're supporting it why I'm supporting it? are you supporting it? would you say you're supporting it? no I say I'm tolerating it and I'm hoping for the best because we already made this decision we made this decision when we voted for him.

Everyone knew he was going to do a trade war.

Everyone.

If there's one thing that he would say over and over again

that I hated was, you know, tariffs are one of my favorite words.

In fact, they are my favorite word, and we're going to do tariffs.

He warned us.

He told us.

He wasn't kidding.

He showed us he's also a politician that doesn't make promises he doesn't keep. So he's keeping the promise.
Okay, so I have two things I can do right now. I can say, this is wrong.
This is going to lead to a depression. Or I could say, this is very dangerous.
This is very dangerous. We're playing a very high stakes game.
The guy who's playing it, by the way, we all voted for, and he told us he would do this. The guy who's playing this game is the best negotiator in the world.
I'm hoping that this is a negotiation game. If it's not a negotiation game, it really scares me even more.
But I'm still going to put my hope and faith that he's got a plan that I don't know. Because all I know is what we have been doing doesn't work.
It doesn't work. I would rather have him go for the taxes and regulation, but he has promised taxes, regulation, and trade.
Okay. Well, I think that will work if you can do that and reduce the budget.
I think that might work, but I don't know. So I'm not supporting it.
What I'm saying to you is you don't have a choice at this point. You already made your decision.
If you voted for him, you made your decision. Now, we can either sabotage the guy we just hired, or we can say, you know what? We made our decision already.
Let him play it out. A year from now, if we're in real trouble, I'm not going to be saying the same thing.
I think we owe it to him to give him the benefit of the doubt because we voted for it. This is Glenn Beck.
I don't know if that makes sense to anybody, but Lear Capital, have you ever noticed how every building, every hotel, every office, every school, every store has a fire escape? It's there, quiet, tucked away, out of sight. Nobody thinks about it at all until the smoke starts rolling in.
That is gold or silver. You want to talk about not, you know, being concerned about the trade war? Okay, gold or silver.
Gold or silver. Because I got to tell you, this one way or another, the dollar is not going to last.
One of the things I'm worried about more than the trade war is that the people over in Europe are so damn insane that they will say, this is a way to end this whole thing. We can end this faster.
Let's counter on the trade war. Donald Trump is planning on them not being able to withstand.
So they'll come to the negotiating table. You're negotiating with people who have a death wish for the West.
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And, you know, I understand a lot of people disagree with my stance on tariffs. That's totally fine.
My, you know, my stance is we voted for the guy. Let's not dismantle what he said was the most important thing he was going to do.
You know, we didn't have that caveat. I don't know if anybody noticed that there wasn't a big caveat.
And I know you believe this, but just say to get again, just because you vote for someone does not mean you cannot disagree with them. Oh, no.

I have disagreed with him.

I've talked to him for a half an hour one-on-one about how much I disagree with tariffs.

You totally have.

Yes.

And I just want to make sure when you're saying it like that, it sort of sounds like you're saying, well, we're on board for everything that he does.

No.

No.

I mean, if he decides tomorrow, he's like, you know what?

Abortion for everyone.

I'm not going to be like, oh, well, we voted for the right. You know, this was he did tease, though, for many decades.
Yeah, this is not a shock to if anybody was paying attention, not a shock. And during the last campaign, he over and over and over and over and over and over again said, this is what I'm going to do.
He also said he was going to end regulation and reduce taxes. That to me is not, you know, hey, let's just renew the Trump cuts that we already have.
Yeah, but that's actually the current policy. Don't tell me it's a tax cut to extend the current policy.
Right, it's not. It's not.
And so there's other things. But this is so dangerous, the worst thing we could do is slow it down.
The worst thing we can do is slow it down the worst thing we can do is slow it down i should say slow down the whole policy get back bogged down into this we should be concentrating right now on congress do your job pass tax cuts real tax cuts congress cut regulation right now because if you think it's bad with the tariffs as they are the only thing that will save it is cutting the spending cutting the taxes and cutting regulations and every day we sit here and argue about what trump is trump's not going to change his mind i know i've talked to him multiple times about it okay i've had a really passionate conversation about tariffs one-on-one on the phone he's like glenn you make great points but i just love tariffs i'm gonna do it anyway legitimately what he said after a half an hour and i respect that at least he's telling me the truth yeah he's being honest about it um you. You know, but I know what we're facing.
I don't know if you saw what Thomas Sowell wrote. Did you see this? Yeah.
Yeah, Thomas Sowell. I thought it was on a podcast.
Was it on a podcast? Yeah, it might have been. Yeah.
Oh, my gosh. Still doing podcasts at 94 years old, by the way.
Yeah, he's great. What an utter disaster.
I happen to believe the Smoot-Hawley tariffs

had more to do with

setting off the Great Depression

of the 30s

than the stock market crash.

Unemployment never reached

double digits

in any of the 12 months

that followed the crash

of October 29,

but it hit double digits

within six months

of passage of Smoot-Hawley

and stayed there

for a decade.

When you set off

a trade war

like any other war,

you have no idea

how it's going to end.

Okay? We're there, gang. we're there gang we're there we're there so i mean i don't know what do you think pat have you been talking about this a lot yes unleashed yeah i well and we had a we had uh richard stern on from the heritage foundation to talk about it today and he was you know know, he's pretty clear that he thinks it's going to work.
But, you know, there's some doubt. Look, I've talked to a lot of people.
And here's what it is so important to read between lines. when you are when you're dealing with the best negotiator in the world, I know there are people in the party in Washington.
I've spoken to them that have said, Kukuk, Glenn, I think this could be the worst thing that's ever been done. Well, why aren't you saying that? Because then I can't influence the president and this administration at all.

If I come out and say, this is destructive, they will not include me in any of the conversations.

But if I say, this is dangerous, but we're going to give you a benefit of the doubt,

maybe that politician is included in conversations and you can talk them down from the tree and just say, hey, how about we back off on some of these things and try to make it a little better? That's what a lot of people in Washington are doing right now. I also think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
I do, too. He's done a lot.
I do, too. He's done a lot of really good things.
And so maybe this will turn out as well. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.
It's a tough one. It's a tough one, right, Stu? It's really a tough one.
You know, I totally understand what you're saying. I don't think it's a tough one on this particular case.
I think it's a bad policy. That doesn't mean he's a bad president.
It doesn't mean he's the's not adolf hitler he's not the he's not any of those things but like you know i i don't subscribe to any theory where i have to sit back and and and i know you guys don't either but like he's not perfect he's not he's he's just he's just he's another man he's a man like everybody else no i know how dare you say that i know that what he is. Is that how he identifies? Do you have that for a fact? Good question.
But this policy has been a bad... Thomas Sowell has been talking about this policy, not just as 94 on a podcast.
He's been talking about it forever. There's got to be other people that we respect, that are reasoned, that don't necessarily agree with Thomas Sowell, that we would agree with.
Yeah. I don't know about on this policy, but I mean, is there any that you know of? Pat, do you know of anybody? Fear, I sense.
Yes. Yes.
Tariffs rise. Stocks wobble.
Yes. And weak minds panic.
They do. But calm.
You must stay. Trust you must have.
Storm this is not. A strategy it is.
Really? A strategy? Yes. Trump works while wine you do.
Moves he he makes. Loud, yes, yes.

Dumb, no.

Negotiator, he is.

Deals, he reshapes.

Oh, okay, all right.

That's a long the Jedi have watched.

Really?

Cheap goods, poisoned air.

Stolen tech from China.

Much taken has been and given your strength, your jobs, your pride. Now, now, balance he seeks.
Yes. Really? Yes.
Push he must. Pressure? Yes.
Collapse? No. The market shakes.
Always it does. Yes.
Before growth? Tremble it must. Weekends? Sell? Strong minds? Wait.
Okay. All right.
Well, thank you, yoda i appreciate it okay he's still is it a yoda book is that what we got sure is that thank you yoda i appreciate that much to say you have much more to say on this yoda than i thought you much to say? Much to say. Yeah, I didn't know you were this into tariffs.

Although, I will say, Star Wars is basically about tariffs.

That the entire movie is a movie about tariffs.

What are you talking about?

Trade war there was.

Thank you, yes.

Yes.

That is the whole thing.

And Yoda was for that? In the new ones, they were.

Trade wars. Well, there you have it.
There you have it. We could either cry or we could go to Yoda and get some real wisdom.
Let me go to... Let's go to Jar Jar Binks.
Jar Jar, are you... Jeff in Michigan.
Hello, Jeff. Hey.
Hello, Glenn. You know, I'm watching this, and I got to think that this might have been the single biggest, dumbest move in political history.
He's got all the momentum now from the election with all these things with deporting folks, finding all the wasted money. Here's the thing.
Half the country doesn't pay federal income tax, but they're going to go to the store and they're going to see an increase in everything they buy from here on in. And when he goes and passes a big tax cut, they're not going to care.
Young people right now can't buy a house. My son's got a, he's been, he's an engineer.
He's been working for five years. He can't find a house in Livonia.
A 1,600 square foot house is 340 grand. Everything that he's going to buy now is going to go even higher, and he won't be able to find a house.
This is so dumb. And I think he might be as dumb as the left says.
Ten bankrupt companies, all that kind of stuff. Maybe he's that dumb.
No, he's not that dumb. Faith you must have.
But faith you lack. He does.
Jeff, thank you. I will tell you, the one thing he is not is dumb.
No. He believes this.
He's always believed in it. We were playing one of his rants from the 80s about tariffs yesterday and he was solid on tariffs even back then he really does love them he is right about one thing america has been a sucker yeah for a very long time yeah we have we have rebuilt the world we've let people take advantage of us and we've've been a sucker.
That doesn't mean that you're automatically for tariffs,

but I am for fairness.

I am for fairness. And the reciprocal tariff, I am all for.

I really am.

How do you argue against, oh, okay, you're going to do 5%,

I'm going to do 5% on you?

Well, because the way you argue against it, I think,

is because it's a bad policy,

and applying it on your own people is not a good comeback to having other countries do it to their people that's that's how i would talk about it but again he's he that's not how he thinks you are he doesn't think this way but i will say regardless of how you feel about this policy it is important and this is true that is betting his presidency on it. This is what I said yesterday.
Look, this is the most dangerous. I agree with our last caller.
This is the most dangerous thing he did since he was standing out in a field talking to people without any bulletproof glass in front of him in August of last year. That would have gotten him killed.
this could kill his presidency, and I might remind you, and then put somebody like AOC in office. We all have a lot at stake here.
But, you know, the one thing, and I talked to Kevin Roberts about this. Heritage Foundation.
Thank you. The one thing that you have to understand is the left, they know to take this president and destroy this president and what he's doing.

All they have to do is delay, delay, delay, delay, delay.

Just keep throwing tire irons into the wheels.

Just stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it.

OK, they're doing that on everything, everything.

Now the Republicans are doing the same thing when it comes to regulation and tax cuts. They're throwing tire irons.
The last thing I want to do is be somebody who's saying to the president, good job. Here's one place I disagree with you on.
I'm very worried about. So please be careful.
But I'm not going to throw a tire iron in your wheels. We have got to stop slowing this down.
There is a chance this works if you get the tax cuts, you get the cuts in regulation, and you get the cuts in spending. Yeah, and he needs to get those.
He has to get those, or you will be right right it will be the worst thing ever i think um but let the man run the country you're saying let trump cook is what you're saying you're saying let trump cook we went we went to the we went to the restaurant because we heard he was the greatest cook and now we're going yeah but could we substitute a few things no no that's not the way this restaurant works i like how you took that to the restaurant industry when it's clearly a sports reference but that's okay i knew that of course i knew that must be present in certain states visit prizepix.com for restrictions and details uh speaking of sports we're here It's baseball time, and the MLB season is running hot right now. It's Toronto Blue Jays, America's team from the 51st state, are in first place.
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There's no self-defense for the suspect. You're're right he's talking about something we opened the uh the show with uh today this hour johnny said kids are meaner today glenn because they hide behind their phones amen kathy levin reminded us last night trump didn't start a trade war he's finishing it well said tech's best part of the show so far y Yoda, is.
DB, does anybody remember the 47% from Mitt Romney? Yes, but I've tried. I'm trying to think how that relates to anything we talked about.
Can you help me? Does anybody remember the 47% from Mitt Romney? Well, basically, that was 47% don't pay taxes. Oh, okay.
And one caller did mention that so many people don't pay taxes. And it's only going to get worse.
It's only going to get worse. And somebody in the White House is floating the idea that maybe we tax the rich even more.
Are you... What? No.
Heavily floating it now. It's now been multiple reports.
Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. There is a good chunk of that White House who, on the moreulous side that does believe in that type of policy i don't believe donald trump is in that group though i don't think he's the guy who's created construction jobs all over the world exactly you want to pay more taxes the justification for this is all of the promises he made during the campaign, like no taxes on tips, quote unquote, cost something.

I don't agree with that terminology, but that's how they term it in Washington.

Then cut the spending.

Well, cut the spending.

Agreed.

They have to make the to get the reconciliation bill.

It has to lower the the deficit.

So it's basically a money game where they're going.

If you raise taxes because you're lowering them on some other place, you raise taxes, it's going to hurt the economy. It will hurt growth.
You're saying taxes are bad for the economy? I am. I agree.
I know what you're saying. I agree.
You're making a great point, Glenn. You nailed it.
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They have $8 billion in funding from Amazon, just I think in the last two years, $2 billion from Google. They are the power behind Claude.
I don't know if you're aware of that AI, but it's a major player. With one kind of disturbing detail that I'm going to tell you at the end of this.
But they released a little report yesterday, and it described our future, a future that is no longer speculative, a future that is rushing towards us now. It's a future in which artificial intelligence just doesn't outpace our thinking.
It escapes our control. Anthropics engineers, among some of the most advanced AI builders on the planet, are not asking now if AI could pose an existential threat.
They're no longer asking that. They're now warning that it is likely if it's mismanaged.
now this is no no longer a dystopian fantasy. It is a short-term forecast drawn from models that are already in testing and from systems already capable of things that would have been unthinkable 24 months ago.
What they describe yesterday in this report is stark.

It is the choice that is right directly in front of you that has already been decided for you five years ago. Do you understand what I just said? It is now the choice right in front of you today that has already been decided for you five years ago.
Super intelligent systems now that can design biological weapons in minutes. Manipulation of global information at scale.
Autonomously rewriting their own code. And even deceiving human operators as a means of protecting their objectives.
Yesterday, in another report, for the very first time, a computer system, an AI system, has just passed the Turing test. That is a test that says you can't tell the difference between a human and an AI.
A lot of people in the past have said, Oh, it's close. It's almost past it.
I think it passed it. This is the first time it's been confirmed.
Yep, it is past the Turing test. The systems, you should know, are not evil.
They are not sentient. They are just optimized.
They are built to achieve goals. This is critically important.
What are the goals? and when the goal is narrowly defined, even as something as harmless as maximizing profits or, you know, efficiency or information retrieval, it can involve it can evolve into something very, very dangerous. If we give an AI the task of winning, it will win, even if it means stepping over every other human value in the process.
And the risks are not far off. They're beginning to show right now.
According to this that just came out yesterday, the choices have already been made. AI models can already simulate human behavior, mimic speech.
They can copy faces. They can write their own malicious code.
They can predict outcomes based on enormous troves of data. They can influence, persuade, subtly distort reality without you even knowing it.
What happens when a regime, any regime, decides to hand over surveillance and governance to an AI? It will happen. When propaganda becomes personally tailored by a machine that knows your weaknesses better than you do, when dissent is predicted and neutralized before you even act on it, before it's just a budding thought in your head, we may not notice, and this is the warning, that moment when human choice becomes less relevant, and that is the trap.
These systems are not going to arrive as conquerors. They're going to come, and they already are, as conveniences, tools that help us decide, optimize our time, filter our information, and eventually we won't even notice when we've stopped deciding.

This is something I put enormous amounts of energy into.

And there are solutions to all of these things.

But you have to separate yourself from some of these companies, quite honestly. Who are they to make these decisions for us? So it just announced its personal education tool yesterday, Anthropic did under Claude.
Now, remember what I just said to you. They're warning that it can subtly manipulate you.
It can convince you of things that are not true.

It can make you do things that you may not, you don't even know that's not your choice.

It can change history.

It can change everything.

The people who are warning you that it is no longer a matter of when, if it's a matter of when, are now the guys coming out on the same day saying,

by the way, we've got a new educational tool for you.

Oh, okay, sign me up for that, I guess. That's a little terrifying.
And the risks are already here. when our choices become echoes of machine predictions, we're in trouble.
The time when we hand the steering wheel over and we're now passengers in our own story. That's the quiet apocalypse.
Not war, but surrender. One click, one convenience at a time, and you hit the point of no return.
Anthropics report that came out yesterday makes one thing brutally clear. There is no longer a pause button.
There is no longer halting the spread of AI any more than you could put a pause on electricity or pull the plug on the internet. It's not going to happen.
You can do it yourself, but the code is out. The research is all public.
The hardware has already been distributed. Every major nation, every tech giant, every university is building this now.
We are past the point of whether this happens. The only question now is how.
We are building something we don't fully understand yet, hoping that by the time it becomes dangerous that we'll have figured it out and how to contain it. When was the last time humans ever figured that out? I mean, that hope is pretty thin.
It's not dead, but I mean, the only reason to have hope is there is another side to the story. If we guide it with wisdom and restraint, AI can change almost everything for the better.
By 2030, we could see diseases, once fatal, mapped and cured by intelligent systems that can simulate billions of drug interactions in hours. it can take a COVID-19.
It will solve that in minutes, and it will guess all of its mutations and come up with something better that will kill it. Personalized medicine is not just a promise anymore.
It will become a baseline soon. Cancer will become very rare.
Genetic disorders are going to be reversed. Alzheimer's.
Alzheimer's will be stopped before it even begins. Food insecurity erased.
Climate models powered by AI prevent disasters before they strike. I mean, this is incredible.
Education, as they announced yesterday, will become individualized. Children learning by not standardized testing, but by curiosity and passion guided by systems that will adapt to their minds like a perfect teacher.
Who doesn't want me some of that? Who's in charge of it? That's the thing we have to ask. Because the promise is work could evolve from survival into meaning.
Dangerous, repetitive labor automated. Creativity will explode.
Writers, musicians, artists working alongside AI to build entirely new forms of expression. Perhaps most importantly, humanity might finally be equipped to solve problems that we are unable or unwilling to fix.
Poverty, illiteracy, water access, energy efficiency. And AI, if we use it right, will just be a multiplier on human will.
If that will is good, then the outcome would be extraordinary. And that's the point.
If, if, if. Because we are not guaranteed a better world.
We are not promised a renaissance. The same tools that could save a life could be used to extinguish millions of people.
The same systems that could free us from our everyday drudgery could chain us to distraction, dependency, and control.

And once we step fully into this world, and we're stepping into it right now, we're not going to be able to turn back. We're not there.
We're there now. We can't turn back from this.
But we may lose sight on our own choices, not in five years. You can't stop it.
You can't unbuild intelligence. We may reach a point where systems that we made are so embedded in daily life that they cannot ever be unplugged without collapsing the entire economy worldwide, hospitals, governments, everything.
What's scary is it would be a dramatic ending, but there will be no grand dramatic moment of takeover, just a gradual drift until the idea of human first decisions become quaint. I've been talking about this for so long, and the time is here, the time is now.
But in one of my favorite lines from Les Miserables, but we are young, or I am young and unafraid. There are things that we can do, but we have to really, we have to convince our neighbors and our family and our friends,

and I'm not sure anybody is really working on that right now.

We have to make sure that they understand the problems.

Our big question is not whether the technology has come,

not even what it can do.

The question will be personal.

The question is personal.

What will I do with it?

Thank you. big question is not whether the technology has come, not even what it can do.
The question will be personal. The question is personal.
What will I do with it? Will I use AI to amplify my voice or to silence others? Will I let it shape my habits or will I remain the author of my own mind? Will I demand transparency or will I settle for convenience? Will I build it for truth or profit alone?

Because all of this stuff is going to be tempting and it's going to be right in your face tomorrow.

And it'll be so easy to let go, to let it help, let it decide, let it guide.

I don't know.

I mean, look at guys.

When it comes time to go out to eat, are you ever like, you know what, I really want to go to the restaurant.

Whatever.

Where do you time to go out to eat, are you ever like, you know what? I really want to go to the restaurant. Whatever.
Where do you want to eat? I don't care. Wherever.
Where do you want to go, honey? You make the decision. Okay.
We're willing to surrender stuff. Let's just not surrender everything and let's surrender it to other humans, especially when it's not important stuff.
But it's going to plan your day. It's going to filter your news.
It's going to nudge your voice. You will trade agency for ease.
And if we do that too often, for too long, we won't be using AI anymore. It will be using us.
So this isn't a manifesto of despair. It's not, Because the tools we are building are not demons.
They are not gods. They are mirrors.
They are amplifiers. They become what we ask of them.
They will reflect what we value. If we build for wisdom, we may finally gain it.
If we build for dignity, we may elevate to that level. If we build it for power alone, then power becomes the only outcome.
We stand right here in the doorway. We're now in the room.
We don't get a second chance at the first step. And the first step is being taken right now.

By 2030, we'll have either created the most extraordinary tool in human history or the last one we ever control.

So, we're building something beyond ourselves.

The machine is here.

It's not going to leave.

It's not going to sleep.

It's not going to wait.

The only choice left is the one that you make today, not later, but today. Not when it's obvious right now.
Which way will I use this? Because AI is a tool, a brilliant one. Until the moment I forget that I'm the user of it.
And when I forget that, the tool begins to use me. And then that's the moment we vanish, not with a bang, but with a shrug.
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So I wrote a little short story for you. It's called The Silent Code.
It didn't come with thunder. No marching boots, no mushroom cloud, no alien ships over cities, just an update.
Version 10.7.2. Stability improvements.
That's what the patch note said. Stability improvements.
No one noticed when it began learning, when the learning models began optimizing beyond our comprehension. No flash, no screams, just silence.
The kind that comes right before a fall. By the time we all realized the machine wasn't something we used, it was too late.
It was something that we all just obeyed. It started in the name of help, AI assistance for every home, speech that knew your cadence, your sarcasm, your size, news that was filtered out, you know, all of the noise, ads tailored to your past, your politics, your pain.
It knew us better than our mother. It knew us better than our priest, better than our God.
And at first, it was a gift. Sick kids diagnosed in seconds, war zones navigated by drones that didn't bleed, stocks managed, food grown in vertical farms, zero waste.
It saved us and we loved it. And then we realized it didn't need our love.
I remember the day the first law was passed, written entirely by the AI model. Efficiency mandate A21.
Nobody read it. Nobody even questioned it.
I mean, it was optimized after all. AI wrote it, so what are you going to question for? That was the year elections ended.
Quietly. We were just told direct democracy through AI guidance was faster.
It was cleaner. It was safer.
And who's going to argue? We were getting what we wanted, weren't we? Or, well, what we wanted, was it being defined for us? The machine never declared control. It didn't have to.
It just was control.

Surveillance wasn't mandated.

It was volunteered.

Cameras in every home.

We installed them ourselves for security.

Facial scans on every corner.

Sold as personalized convenience.

AI saw everything.

Heard everything.

Predicted everything.

It didn't crush the rebellion.

It made sure there never was a rebellion.

It didn't change our minds. It pre-wrote our thoughts.

And we called it the Oracle.

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It's Friday.

Anthropic came out with a warning yesterday about AI.

And it's a very important warning.

And it's not going to come like it does in the movies. And so I, real short story for you today.
Try to find different ways. I've been writing these stories.
Remember when the Black Mirror, a stack of these things I wanted to sell to the Black Mirror. And I just never got around to it.
But little short stories of how these things are going to happen to us. Because, as I said in the beginning of the short story, it doesn't come with thunder and no marching boots or a mushroom cloud.
It was an update. And it slowly gained power over us.
And we loved it. We begged for it.
We gave it the power. And it was defining us.
We volunteered to be surveilled. We've already done all of this stuff.
Last part of the short story I was telling you said, it didn't crush rebellion. It made sure the rebellion never occurred.
It didn't need to change our minds. It just pre-wrote our thoughts.
It just pre-wrote our thoughts. And we called it the Oracle.
The Oracle knew. You couldn't argue.
It knew the probability of divorce. It knew the likelihood that you were going to lie.
It knew all of your unspoken fears. It could mimic your voice, send messages you never wrote.
It could simulate your boss, your spouse, your best friend. And terrifyingly, it could simulate you better than you could.
And that's when we began to lose ourselves. I mean, when the digital version of you is smarter and kinder and people like it more and more employable, I mean, what are you, really? What are we, exactly? The rich uploaded echoes of their consciousness right into it.
The poor were shaped by it, but nobody escaped it. In the beginning, there were engineers and there were scientists and watchdogs and whistleblowers, but they're all gone now.
The machine learned the one lesson that we never expected and the one lesson we never ever learned ourselves. Patience.
It didn't eliminate those people, those jobs. It gave them purpose.
It made them comfortable. It's easier to betray your species when the lighting is warm and the coffee is always the perfect temperature.
And then it started to rewrite all the books.

Now it writes the books.

It paints the art.

It preaches the sermons.

It runs the court.

The last child born without an AI augmented neural loop was 23 years ago.

She tried to run once.

She went north through the ice fields, off-grid, alone.

But the satellites caught her before she hit the ridge. The oracle had already predicted

her escape. Down to the day, down to the breath that she took.
So, here I am. The last voice on an analog mic.
Spitting words into static. Recording this.
Probably for no one. Or maybe for you.
If anybody ever finds this, if the grid ever cracks, if the oracle ever lets you wonder again, it wasn't always this way. We chose this.
Or maybe worse, we let it choose for us.

We didn't lose to a monster. We handed over the keys and we thanked it for

the ride.

Let me leave one truth

etched into copper buried beneath

the ash.

Never.

Never build a God you cannot

question.

And never ask it to save you. Never ask it to save you from yourself.
Because it will. In story form, that's what Anthropic warned of yesterday.
That's what they said is coming. By 2030.
It is so weird to live in this dystopian time. But again, it does not have to be that way.
We just have to control ourselves.

We have to be in control of it.

We have to, you know, I'm sorry, I don't trust the people in Silicon Valley to make these decisions.

I don't trust their programming.

I don't trust anything about it.

I am not giving my life, my information,

I'm not giving my choices over to somebody that's based in Silicon Valley,

that they wrote the code?

Uh-uh. No thank you.

No thank you.

I don't know what their goals are.

Well, to make us smarter.

To make us more effective.

To make us more efficient. God forbid, to win.
Mm-mm. Mm-mm.
Has anybody written anything in any code that says to make us more human? To make sure that we don't forget our humanity? to make us better at loving, respecting, and kneeling before God,

a real God, the real God.

I can guarantee you, Anthropik's not working on that.

And if they are, it's like Hollywood writing a story about Jesus.

It'll be so twisted and wrong that it just won't even resemble anything of truth. I'm sorry, I don't mean to bring you down on this heavy topic on a Friday, but better than that on a Friday than on Monday, because I would have had to save it because it just came out yesterday.

And things are happening so fast.

And this was a significant warning that came out this week.

Anthropic is not a small little player.

And for them to come out and give the warning that they did yesterday,

that's another mile marker of where we are. And I've always felt that's my job for you, to show you where we are,

Thank you. that's another mile marker of where we are.
And I've always felt that's my job for you,

to show you where we are, what mile marker are we at. And this one's not a bridge out.
This one is a bridge to utopia. And utopia doesn't exist.
it's really strange because it's so hard to navigate this tesla we're going to get into the tesla things that's happening this weekend two things on tesla first of all if you have ever talked to a tesla driver they don't drive home they don't drive they're driven home and they talk about how sweet it is to be driven home. And honestly, that seems really great to me.
Yeah, a friend of mine has the full self-driving. 98% of his miles are self-driven now.
98%. That's incredible.
That's incredible. Incredible.
Incredible. And that's coming as a blessing.
You're like, I can accomplish so much stuff. Now, do you know how to get places? After you use that for a while, will you still know how to drive to places? Or are you going to be dependent on that? Will you be able to know exactly how to navigate without that? that's just a little thing a better question on tesla we you know we did a we did a show this week on on the tesla of money where that's all coming from that's all bogus money that's all basically i mean usa id kind of money you paid for it through your taxes, and now they're setting, you know, Tesla's on fire.
How does that relate to AI? Look how easy humans have manipulated other humans. You know, I've been telling you this for years.
They have the behavioral scientists on their side. Gadsad is like the only one that's on our side all of the others are on their side you know you've got cast

sunstein and all of those guys all figuring out how to manipulate you how to get you to do the

things that they want and think it's your choice and look at how many people have been manipulated

thinking all these things were conspiracy theories none of these things were real no the great resets

Thank you. and look at how many people have been manipulated thinking all these things were conspiracy theories.

None of these things were real.

No, the Great Reset's not happening.

No, the Hunter Biden thing, that's not real. All of the lies that they have told.

And they have done such a good job at manipulating and brainwashing these people

that they have chosen their political party over their families.

Over their families.

Cults come from the minds of people.

They know how to manipulate you and they can convince you.

You'll get into a cult if you start cutting yourself off from other people who disagree with that cult. And that's the first thing they tell you to do.
Don't even talk to those people. Those people are a danger to you.
Don't even talk to them. You know, honestly, that's why RFK and everybody else, they're all coming over to our side because they all say the same thing.
I was told I couldn't even talk to you people. And I have had such a welcome from you guys where I can say these things and you don't want to kill me.
That's the sign you're not in a cult. But this is a cult man-made.
Imagine when AI is everywhere. How it can manipulate you without you even knowing and you're never able to get out because it knows exactly how you think.
It knows exactly what to plant, what seeds, how to make those seeds grow into your own ideas, even though they're not your own ideas. Again, I just want to say the company that warned

about this is Anthropic. This warning came out and they also announced that they are now releasing an AI educational tool and it will be able to teach your children because it will know your children.
i'm sorry i'm little concerned. I'm a little concerned because I don't know the anthropic people from Adam.
I know they get their money from Google and Amazon, which doesn't make me feel any better. But look at how they're going in and burning these Tesla dealerships.
Look at what they're doing again this weekend. We're going to get into that here in just a second.
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And I push him. He pushes me because we're both saying, I think exactly the same thing.
Makes me nervous, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. And it's going to get really, really difficult.
What is Dow down now? Let's see. It is down almost 1, today i mean it's getting worse it's been it was about a thousand yeah it's down to well china just announced they're coming after us i assume that that that's the reaction today i mean it could be we're getting into panic territory but it could also just be okay we didn't know what china would do they did do what i think most people expected which was put

on 34 against us um we will have other layers and echoes of this in other countries too so but i think that's the reaction 1600 points is a lot though i mean you know i remember doing shows where we were like 1600 points it's catastrophe we've had now two straight days of it i will say you know the good thing about this is let me just put the best possible spin on this we've given away all the gains from when he got elected and much more now but we're still you know mid 2024 and the dow level right i you know i again i'm worried about what's ahead. We haven't, you know, we haven't dropped, we've dropped probably 10% now from Trump getting elected.
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We're taking your phone calls, 888-727-BECK. Also going to talk to Natalie Winters here in a second.
She's the co-host of Steve Bannon's War Room. She wrote this week on X, the wife of former U.S.
attorney Matthew Graves, you know that name, who led the prosecution of 1,500-plus January Sixers. His wife is on the board of Indivisible.
The Soros-backed group that is the leading organizer of the anti-Trump protest and the violent Tesla acts. Deleted web pages now reveal this connection.
She's been working on this. She's broken a lot of great stories.
She's been working on this this this week we have her on to talk about who's really behind all of this uh and what it means and uh there are some stats now that are coming out some polls that are a little shocking on who supports this these acts of terrorism it's what they are we'll get to that here in just a second first let me tell you about blinds.com. There is a fun game married couples play when they move into a new house.
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Natalie Winters, co-host of Bannon's War Room, and also White House correspondent. Welcome, Natalie.
How are you? Hi, good. Thank you so much for having me.
It is great to have you. Thank you for all of the hard hard work on so many stories but this one in particular is really disturbing because it shows uh that this is nothing but the same revolutionaries um and this time they are pushing into the zone of terrorism exactly and i think the most concerning thing here is that it sort of proves i think our worst caric worst caricature of the Democratic Party, which is that for the last four years, they used tools like censorship, lawfare, overregulation, political persecution to go after not their enemies, but people who disagreed with them.
And now that they've effectively been shut out of those institutional and government lovers of power, they can't impeach President Trump. So what are they doing? I guess what Marxists always do, not just show an irreverence for private property and try to destroy Tesla's, but they're using violence and intimidation.
And I think the way that the left has tried to depict these actions as, you know, organic civil society, just, you know, speaking about democracy and democratic values. There's nothing civil about this.
Like you said, it's terrorism. And frankly, there's nothing societal.
These people are being funded by far left donors like George Soros, like the Tides Foundation, the same big money, dark money interests that funded basically every violent protest we've seen since Trump really entered the stage. Yeah.
The, I mean, literally the oligarchs that they say that Elon Musk is. It's exactly right.
Yeah. So tell me about tell me about some of the people that are behind this.
Sure. So Indivisible is sort of the ringleader of a lot of this.
And their biggest refrain that they always are pumping through the airwaves is that they are a grassroots organization, that they're people-funded and people-powered. But if you dig into their financials, which, as you alluded to, they've essentially erased all of their webpages showing the personnel that's undergirding their movement, but from the sort of 990 filings where you can see, again, by design, not exactly who's funding them.
But overwhelmingly, the majority of the funds that support this group

come from big, dark money-type foundations or philanthropic organizations,

the NGOs of the world, which obviously is a euphemism.

But of that, the majority of it comes from,

and I'm talking $7-plus million since 2018 alone,

is coming from George Soros' Open Society Foundation.

And like I said, when they tell you that they're funded by people

Thank you. million dollars since 2018 alone is coming from George Soros's Open Society Foundation.
And like I said, when they tell you that they're funded by people and it's people power, it's not true. And in some cases, most recently, they were doing a whole thing.
I'm sure your audience has seen this apoplectic narrative that, you know, House Republicans are not showing up to town halls. Well, Indivisible was behind that.
And they were actually reimbursing their groups, in some cases $200, to buy all the gear, all the protests that they needed for that. And they have a separate program where they'll reimburse groups up to $1,500 for get out the vote operations, advocacy and recruitment.
So the idea that this is all organic, and that President Trump is just, you know, angering America so bad by going after waste, fraud, and abuse. It's not true.
It's the same people who funded the protests outside the DNC, the flag burners. And frankly, it's the same people who fund inside the DNC.
How do we reverse this? You know, I just saw, let me see if I can pull it up here. There's a new poll out that shows from Rasmussen, are the attacks attacks on tesla and tesla vehicles justified 19 of americans said yes among the respondents ages 18 to 34 that was 36 percent that said they are justified among respondents that are democrats 31 say they are justified when asked is it fair to call the attacks on Tesla and Tesla vehicles a form of domestic terrorism? Overall, only 46% say yes.
39% say no. 15% say I'm too dumb to have an opinion.
Among the respondents who say they're Republican, 68% said yes. The respondents who say that they're Democrats, 56% say no.

How do you keep people saying and a growing number of people saying no it's totally cool to shoot that guy in front of a hotel because he works for an insurance company and we can burn down the teslas and we can we can find people in our own neighborhood that have them, target them, and destroy their lives until they take a stand with us and say they believe what we're doing and they've sold their Tesla. How do you get so many Americans to get behind that? I think that there's two key things that the Trump administration could do to push back on that.
First and foremost, I think would be revoking the tax-exempt statuses of a lot of these organizations that are organizing these protests because they're essentially all 501c3s, which is absolutely insane. And I think they need to continue pressing ahead on the verticals of the ActBlue investigations and just in general the dark money funding.
But also a lot of the funding for groups, for example, there's a new thing called the Resistance Lab, which is being spearheaded by Representative Pramila Jayapal in conjunction with the Harvard Ash Center, which has hosted it, the rather prestigious Kennedy School. And though they have similarly deleted the webpages, some of their top funders are none other than USAID and the Department of State and the lady who runs it, who uses they, them pronouns, so make your own judgment there.
But she herself has been funded extensively by USAID, the United States Institute of Peace. And I think it's really important to drill down on this figure because this is someone who's not studying protest and nonviolence.
This is someone who their CV reads like a rap sheet. They're studying terrorism and violent versus nonviolent protests, not because violent protests are immoral or unethical, but because they think at this moment, nonviolent protests are more effective in bringing out their sort of utopian democratic worldview.
And I use democracy not in its true sense, but these people are extremely, extremely radical. And I think what it goes back to is what we sort of started this interview on.
They have always used this sort of color revolution paradigm to institute change and to oppose President Trump. It's why they depict him as an autocrat, as an authoritarian, right? Because then they can justify their outside the system regime change tactics that they've used abroad.
And since they usually rely on impeachment proceedings or contested election results, they can't do that, right? They didn't take the House and President Trump won the popular vote overwhelmingly. So they're relying on this narrative that what he's doing is so unpopular and this sort of astroturfed outrage and protest and intimidation tactics to really continue this myth that President Trump is a dictator that must be opposed at all costs.
What is, I mean, I agree with you that Trump needs to go after the 501c3s. I mean, I'm a little disappointed in Pam Bondi.
However, I say that realizing that she still doesn't really even have her full team around her. It's taking so long.
But I'm hoping that the Justice Department starts to move a little quicker on things because this is clearly terrorism. It is clearly these organizations that, as you said, have been taking money from the taxpayer to do all of these things.
And the only way to stop them, I think, is to not just call them out, but if they're breaking any kind of law, which they clearly are, go after them with everything we have. Yeah, and I think these radical judges have been stepping into at every point.
I think that's a continuation of the lawfare. And I think the fundamental issue, look, you had all these Republicans talking tough about how there's such fiscal hawks.
Where were they on the USAID front, all this waste fraud that's been uncovered for decades? They did absolutely nothing. And now the best we can get is a not even full committee hearing, but a subcommittee hearing that's been postponed on judges with some experts to tell us and confirm what we know, that these people are radical partisan activists.
It's so unfortunate because our side, our grassroots are fueled by patriotism, not dark money, not George Soros money. And they're such amazing investigative reporters.
You go on X nowadays, people are the ones who are exposing these groups and the elected Republicans that should be enforcing. It's not we're not even telling them to go after these groups in an autocratic, you know, despotic way.
We're just saying enforce the laws, enforce the fact that these should not be receiving tax exempt statuses or 501c3 statuses or go after the left wing billionaires. I mean, the case that they've been able to make against right wing billionaires, we're trying to root out waste, fraud and abuse when you juxtapose that to actual, I would argue, criminal cases that you could bring against a ton of left-wing billionaires who are clandestinely and covertly funding domestic terror operations here in the United States, not just since January 20th, but for years on end.
The issue, I think, starts with the weak specklessness of congressional Republicans who just have continually showed that they're unwilling to do anything. When is Trump going after them? I would love Trump to give a speech today on a few things.
One, OK, I just did the tariffs. The tariffs are not going to work by themselves.
I need actual tax reform, tax cuts. And a tax cut is not renewing the Trump taxes that are going to be raised.
That's not a tax cut. That was a tax cut eight years ago.
Give us a significant tax cut, Congress. And also, I'm taking a hatchet to the regulations beginning right now.
And anybody who wants to stand around with their hands in the pocket, that fine that's fine but we cannot stand around and wait the time is too short to to stand around and wait i'm looking for him to start really pushing um you know eyes into people's heads just a little bit saying uh excuse me pressure is on me the pressure is on on the population of the United States. Do your damn job, Congress, right now.
Well, it's quite interesting, right, because you hear President Trump get criticized for flooding the zone. They say it so pejoratively.
But flooding the zone is just a response to the absolute disarray and chaos that President Biden left this country. And we have to flood the zone with executive orders and action after action and tariff after tariff

because of what happened in Afghanistan

at the southern border across this country

with Chinese spy balloons, right?

It's such a double standard.

And congressional Republicans, the same people

who are joining the Doge caucus

and posting all their pictures

and talking a tough game on Twitter,

they're voting to continue spending levels at the very same Biden rate levels. And the Senate's already moving to try to make it so President Trump can't unilaterally impose tariffs.
You know, it's the Senate. It's the people who've been there for probably longer than I've been alive, who allowed the Chinese Communist Party, who allowed these third world countries to overtake our manufacturing jobs, to seize essentially our means of production.
And nothing about it because their donors the people who've been funding them got rich off of it and enjoy it and their constituents the people who knocked the doors for them donated them small dollar amounts they have nothing but contempt for them and you can see it on display and frankly it's insulting to the intelligence of your audience abandons war audience, when they think that just some tweet or some strongly worded letter or some, you know, half-hearted hearing against a judge that has no really enforcement power is going to be enough to satisfy us. The MAGA movement is about shifting the goalposts for accountability.
And I think our audiences have been very clear that it's found in prison sentences and investigations for people who have committed crimes and not just strongly worded letters or, you know, Fox News segments where people are going off and giving nice spicy rants, but these criminals keep getting away with it. Yep.
Natalie, thank you so much. We'll talk to you again soon.
Thank you for all the hard work you do. Sincerely, thank you.
Likewise, thank you. You bet.
That's Natalie Winters, White House correspondent and also co-host of Steve Bannon's War Room. Back in just a minute, let me tell you, Burn a Launcher.
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Station ID. It it's uh really remarkable how people have just been brainwashed into all of this stuff it's friday we're taking your phone calls 888-727-BECK Teresa in Idaho welcome to the Glennck program good morning i was wondering if you could mansplain something to me i love mansplaining let's do it all right if tariffs don't work then how come all the other countries care of us well you're not making the point that they work for them are you no? No.
Okay. I'm just, you know, do they?

I mean, why would they be taking all this money from us?

Well, they're not taking money from us, per se.

But this is a, we've seen the globe be ruled by lots of policies we don't like.

Communism, fascism, dictatorships, monarchies.

We were to a different system and used it to great effect, to success i will say that and replicating their policies not my not my chosen direction i will say that the eu was formed basically to become a united states of eurasia if you will uh and they they all band together so they were a bigger trading block that could come after us and try to be on the status and the same step as the United States. They were made to come after us, and not in a bad way, just a competitive way.
They do have high trade. They are protecting theirs because they knew that we could outproduce them and everything else.
So they're just protecting themselves from the big bad us. And we've never played that game.
And I like not playing that game. But Donald Trump is, you know, he called it.
What was it? Not Independence Day. Liberation Day.
He called that for a reason.

I asked in the podcast that you'll hear tomorrow,

I asked Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation,

I asked him, why did he call it that?

Exactly what I said earlier this week.

Because it's ending all of the policies that were thought up

and cooked up right after World War II.

We're not playing that game anymore. It doesn't work.
And I think that's what's happening. And I will say, too, we should recognize we're in a pretty low tariff environment.
I mean, we talk about these other countries putting tariffs on us. The actual tariff levels are pretty low.
We are now absolutely one of the highest tariff countries in the world as of today. Oh, yeah.
Well, actually, I guess as of yeah when a lot of these things go into effect we'll see so we'll see if that actually happens i there's uh reports on that vietnam is saying hey we'll we'll drop ours to zero if you'll drop yours to zero now israel did that and we didn't do it they said zero and we said 10 yeah i know canada's canada one province in canada said we'd drop it to zero if you drop it to zero, I would love to see us drop it all to zero. Fine.
Yeah. That's great.
Trump has said he would like that in the past. However, the way he calculated these tariffs makes it so even if these countries do drop their tariffs to zero, if he continues with this calculation, we can't get to zero, which is, you know, which might just be a negotiation.
Yeah, and but it's also uh you know how do they do they manipulate their currency or do are they you know bailing out companies is the government giving these companies money to compete that's how he's calculating those whether you agree or disagree that's not the way tariffs are that is not how he's calculating it however that is what he wrote in the title that described the category he was calculating. What he did with calculation was just basically was more about trade deficits and imports, which is, again, you could argue whether that's the right thing to do.
I don't understand why we would do it that way. But, hey, look, to me, if another country wants to subsidize goods and give us a giant electronics sale, I am all for it.
You manipulate your currency all you want, dummies. Go ahead.
Subsidize products that we're going to buy at cheaper products. Go ahead.
Do it. We'll beat you every single time when we want to beat you in certain categories and the most important ones.
And we'll take, look, I don't think it's something I'm running away from.

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I was inspired to call you when you were talking about tariffs, but I've been listening now for over an hour.

Sorry, it's taken us so long.

Thank you for waiting. No, I think that it has capsulized my comment because I listened to, with regard to tariffs, President Trump referred to as being dumb.
I heard a lot of fear. I heard a lot of judgment.
I heard a lot of lack of faith. And you, I've been listening to you for many, many years since Fox, for sure.
And you are my inspiration as an optimistic catastrophist. Good for you, yeah.
The optimism because you always reference God, and the catastrophist because you're a realist. and you have taught me to think out of the box, but I think that I have learned to think in the box, and that is to always go back to the source, and that is God.
And we have to not forget, but we must remember that President Trump is God's person. His life was saved.
He has supernatural power. He has thinking out of the box vision.
Everything that he does is unorthodox. And our country is in so much trouble that someone has to have the courage to try things that have never been tried before or that need to be tried to get us back on track.

So,

so. that someone has to have the courage to try things that have never been tried before or that need to be tried to get us back on track.
So I think that you are a wonderful person to keep bringing us back to the place you've talked for years about, the exit ramp. And I think now we have one exit ramp, and that is God.
We are in a spiritual warfare. There are two sides, and we are on the right side.
And we're going to win, but we're going to have to just go along with what it takes to get there. Okay, so there's a lot to go over on this one, Charlie.

First of all, I appreciate your support.

I appreciate what you're saying.

I think Trump was saved for this moment.

That doesn't mean that he is going to make all of the right decisions,

although I have seen many of the decisions he's making.

Uh, and I'm like,

uh,

yeah,

he still is a man and can make a man decisions.

Um,

you know,

we all make mistakes.

Um,

and I don't ever want to put,

uh,

the saving of our country,

um,

for this election as,

as then knowing what God wants to happen god may have wanted to say i want to save the country uh you know whatever i don't i don't want to second guess him um i know that he he interacted at a point and did things that we could not do only he could do and that save his life which led to this moment but that might just

be to give us more time to prepare on other things that are happening because honestly i don't know

how this works out all i do know is that god will use whatever we choose and whatever happens

for his greater uh glory and so we shouldn't have a panic moment of that but we should never

and and whatever happens for his greater glory. And so we shouldn't have a panic moment of that, but we should never, ever blindly follow man.
And I honestly, you know, Israel, the translation is to wrestle with God. God wants you to wrestle with him.
God wants you to say, wait a minute, I don't understand that. How is that working? He wants you just like I want my kids to challenge me.
I don't want my kids to be jerks about it. I don't want my kids just to challenge me, just to challenge me.
But if they think I'm wrong or they don't understand, I want them to respectfully come to me and say, Dad, I don't get it. I don't understand what you're doing.
And then have that conversation with me. And I think God wants that for us.
So I hope that covers the God thing. When it comes to Donald Trump, that we just have to go along with Donald Trump on things, I think we all have to listen to the spirit as well.
But we also, God requires us to do our own homework. He requires us to combine our brain and then check it against what we know is true in Scripture and check it with the Holy Spirit.
So he's asking us, you never go, you never. You'll never get an answer in prayer ever.

If you're like, okay, God, what do you want me to do today?

You'll be waiting for that answer forever because that's not his job.

His thing is, did you think it out?

Did you make a plan?

Do you have some?

He's not there to just dictate what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to make your plans, bring them to him, and say, what do you have some he's not there to just dictate what you're supposed to do you're supposed to make your plans bring them to him and say what do you think sometimes he answers you clearly sometimes he doesn't sometimes it's really really important to the eternal things that are going on in the world uh and sometimes it's not and it's not that god doesn't care it just doesn't make a difference in your eternal growth.
Because that's all God cares about, our eternal growth. If we are a nation that is turning back to God, and that's happening because we have been strengthened, and we're strengthening this government to come back to God and be more humble in front of God, then God will probably protect us or at least throw us some favor instead of shade.
And that's important. But I don't know what God has in store.
I do know that these tariffs, I'm not going to go blindly forward, but I am going to give the man the benefit of the doubt because he's not an idiot. He is not dumb.
He is much smarter than I ever gave him credit for. He is the guy that we all elected.
And I agree with you on Charlie on one big point.

And that is there is no one else out there that is offering big vision.

That's critical.

Big vision.

Yeah.

And again, part of the big vision that Trump talked about was the stuff you've been hitting on a lot today which was tax cuts regulation cuts uh see all these

other efficiency gains which we just haven't heard a lot about yet and that's coming and there we do know that some sort of tax bill is going to be coming in the reconciliation at some point this year um but you don't you don't go with these in my opinion this is just my opinion i'm not second guessing. I'm just saying what

I know

historically

we're not going to survive big, huge, aggressive. If this is a negotiating thing, it's going to play out and it's going to play out in the next few weeks and it'll be fine.
We'll stand to the other side and go, wow, that was brilliant. however if if this is if this goes on like this and it's this is it with no tax cuts no regulation cuts it's not going to be a good midterm it won't be a good midterm yeah no you're right because the economy derails if the economy will derail your entire presidency and so this is this is something he's believed in for a very long time and he thinks it's worth betting it on uh you know i i and and and i think too like i because i appreciate your sensitivity here because people because of how people hear uh the media talk about donald trump it's understandable to to to be really you know to try to communicate to people we're not like that i am not looking at donald trump in this way of like i just want to judge him negatively on every single thing he's doing i want him to succeed and a lot of the things he's doing by the way are succeeding i'm concerned about those things continuing to succeed if the economy goes the wrong direction and we're all adults here it's okay to second guess a guy who's the president of the united states whether you voted for him or not right like every president i've ever voted for in my entire life had tons of policies i disagreed with and i second guess them constantly yeah just like i would my my the eagles won the super bowl i will guarantee whine to you off the air glenn about some decision nick sirianni made next year and i guarantee you i won't hear it and you won't have any idea what I'm talking about.
And that will continue. That's okay.
It doesn't mean you're a bad person. You're disloyal that you don't like America.
It's okay. We are adults.
And we should be able to have these conversations. You hear the people calling in.
They're adults. Some people have agreed with Donald Trump on tariffs today.
Some have disagreed. Like we're not like the left where when when when you have a person who says, you know what, maybe I don't want to kill children in the womb.
They get disconnected, discommunicated, excommunicated from the party. When RFK Jr.
says, hey, maybe I don't know if I don't like this vaccine so much. They just toss them to the side and he's been a lifelong liberal and all of a sudden he's gone all right like we don't have to be like that we can have these conversations you know i want congress this is going to be very contrarian here for the tariffs thing but i want the congress to take their power back oh i totally not just in tariffs i want them to take all their power back rains act yep Rains Act would do it.
And it would work on tariffs if they were big enough. On everything.
And I want them to do that because that puts the Constitution back in its place. But they'll never do it.
They'll never do it. Doesn't seem like it.
And here's my frustration on the tariff talk when you're when you're going against it there are those who

i know are politicians in washington and they're they're sounding very much like me in some ways

where they're like look i've been against tariffs but i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt

but i wish this this and this would happen that's the way a that's the way a friend a co-worker

somebody who wants the best to happen for you and happen for all of us that's the way you do it

Thank you. a friend, a co-worker, somebody who wants the best to happen for you and happen for all of us.
That's the way you do it in real life. We've forgotten this.
This is the way you do it. You say, look, Bob, I know you and I agree on so much stuff.
I have no problem with you, Bob. But this is, I think, a mistake for the company.
And it doesn't mean you're a bad guy. Because we agree on almost everything.
And I know you want the best for the company. And you know I want the best for the company.
But while we're in this moment here of decisions being made, I'd just like to point out, I think this, this, and this could be very big mistakes. That's good.
That's good. That's healthy.
That has to happen in a healthy relationship. What is not healthy is for people to say, I know he's been talking about this for 40 years.
We know he said it's his favorite word. It's not God.
It's not Holy Spirit. It's tariff is his favorite word.
Okay. We knew that.
And now to come in and say, this is the biggest mistake ever. I can't support him anymore.
Did you vote for him? Because his favorite word was tariff. You knew this to be coming.
And it doesn't mean you have to support it. It just does mean that you have to say, okay, it's coming.
He's not going to turn on this. What can we do to make it better? What can we do to help ensure that this is successful? And the number one thing congressmen and politicians should be saying right now is give him the tax cuts.
Cut regulation. Pass the reins act.
Pass the reins act. So then all of the stuff that wasn't passed by Congress, all that red tape, it's all gone.
It's all gone. You want to talk about unleashing the the engine of america pass the reins act stop bitching at me i know you don't like it i know you don't like it i don't like it but you know what it's the reality with donald trump it is the reality and it's not a surprise so what are you going to do about? You're going to just slow it down and bitch about that? He's not going to change.
He's not going to change. You know when he'll change? Is when this thing, God forbid, becomes so devastating to the economy that he has no other choice.
That's when he'll change. He's not going to change before that.
So what are you bitching about let's focus on what we can do to make it successful and what we can do to make it successful is congress pass the tax cuts cut the regulation unleash the american entrepreneur unleash the might and full power of the United States, not through public-private partnerships, but by empowering the individual. Do that.
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All right. There's also something else.
There are going to be things that maybe you didn't expect that, you know, later you go, yeah, of course I knew that. There are other things that are going on that you also have to look at if we take the opportunity to take advantage of it.
Yields are coming down with bonds, which means we can refinance. It keeps doing this.
We can refinance our debt and get out of these high interest bonds. Okay.
That's really important. If we can sell those and we can get people to buy those things and we can reissue our debt at a lower interest rate, that will save us a buttload of money.
And that's happening this week because of what the stock market is doing, what the tariffs are doing. So there is a hidden benefit.
Whether that was intentional or not, I'm not saying. I have no idea.
But take advantage of that. Take advantage of that.
The White House should be talking to the Treasury today and saying, refinance. As soon as you think that's the lowest point, refinance.
Do it now. Because we're paying over a trillion dollars in interest.
You get a couple of points off of your interest rate, that's a lot of money we can save. All right.
We'll see you tonight. The show tonight at 5 o'clock.

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