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There's a big scandal going on, at least it should be, with Congressman Ramirez, who stood on foreign soil last week in Mexico City at speaking Spanish at a summit, where she said, I'm a proud Guatemalan before I'm an American.

What does that mean?

What is the perspective on this?

Also, a story that a lot of people laughed at.

In fact, Stu and I did when we first saw it.

Jim Acosta in this grotesque interview with an AI version of a child that was killed in the Parkland massacre.

Why this is critical that we pay attention to this right now.

Also, Kirk Cameron joins us.

We have so much more, including Ken Paxton, who is the Attorney General of Texas, who is also going to tell us what's happening in the state of Texas.

They have issued warrants for the arrests of the Democrats.

Are they coming home anytime soon?

You'll find out with Ken Paxton on today's podcast.

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So what happens when somebody who is elected

pledges allegiance to another country?

Well, first of all, it's a violation of your oath, but let me get into the story.

Congresswoman Delia Ramirez

stood this week on foreign soil speaking in Spanish at a summit in Mexico City, and she said, and I'd like to quote, I am a proud Guatemalan before I'm an American.

Now, this isn't all.

Her husband also

is in this country illegally.

That's not me saying that.

That's the Rolling Stone, which reported that a couple of years ago.

So let this sink in here for a minute.

This is a sitting member of Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution, says she's a Guatemalan before she's an American.

Meanwhile, her household, she does, defies the immigration laws that she just swore to protect and defend.

All right, this is not a gaffe.

This is not a misquote.

This is intentional, and it is happening over and over and over again.

We have people, Elon Omar, she is a Somali before she's an American.

Those are her words.

This is not about heritage or cultural pride.

You know, you can't say you don't love the country of your ancestors.

I mean, Tanya's family is so great,

you know, because

they come from Italy.

They're Italian Americans.

But they would never say they're Italian Americans.

They're Americans.

Where's your family from?

Italy.

And they're proud of that.

And I love that they have mixed that and it has become very American.

I love that.

But when you separate yourself and you are an Italian first, there is no way anybody in Tanya's family throughout history would have ever said.

In fact,

her uncle Leo, I've talked about a million times, he was born here in America while they were on vacation.

They went back to Italy, but he was the only natural-born citizen.

He was the only citizen.

When the war came, they were afraid that the entire family was going to be wiped out.

So what did he do?

He came to America.

But instead of just sitting collecting things, he's like 18 years old.

He enlisted in the U.S.

Army.

And because he had a heavy Italian accent, everybody thought he's a spy.

And so he got the worst of the worst.

He was on one of the first boats for D-Day.

When that gate came down, he was one of the first to try to make the mad dash to the cliff.

Why?

Because he's obviously a spy.

He was proudly an American.

When you serve in Congress, when you sit on the

Committee for the Homeland Security,

you're not just representing voters.

You're representing the sovereignty of the United States of America.

You are part of the body tasked to defend our borders, its laws, and yes, its identity.

And I am sick and tired, and I won't play the game, and nor should you, that our identity is worse than anybody else's, that our identity somehow or another doesn't matter.

Our identity as America, we changed the world.

Now, you can be proud of that while also being ashamed of some of the things we did when we beat our chest,

when we went awry, when we went away from our Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

When we get away from that, we're screwed.

We screw everything up.

Well, we're doing that now.

She should be denaturalized,

deported.

Maybe.

Maybe.

That's what some members of Congress are calling for.

She certainly should be kicked off the Homeland Security Committee.

She should probably be kicked out of Congress.

You cannot have your loyalty to another country over your loyalty to the United States of America.

I mean, when will will we start taking allegiance seriously again?

When?

You know, the founders were really clear.

Let's look at this historically.

George Washington, in his farewell address, warned about foreign entanglements.

And we always think that that is, oh, well, we shouldn't get involved in foreign wars.

Yes, it is.

It is.

Do you know why you have to be

a naturally born citizen of the United States to serve as president.

You can't be some Arnold Schwarzenegger.

You know, everybody's like, oh, man, I'd let Arnold Schwarzenegger be president.

I'd let Elon Musk be president.

I wouldn't.

Because they weren't born here.

Now, that is in our Constitution.

And why?

Because the founders feared that you would have an alliance that would be above the United States of America.

You would say, in Elon Musk's case, you know what?

I really am more loyal to South America or South Africa than I am the United States.

Or Arnold Schwarz, I'm more or more aligned with Austria than the United States.

Neither of those guys will say that.

Neither of those guys believe that.

But we have members of Congress who say, I am more aligned, and it is more the heart, the country that I have the heart for is Somalia or Guatemala over the United States.

Why are you serving?

That's what foreign entanglements, it's not just military alliances.

He wrote of the danger of foreign influence and corruption, noting that allegiance divided is allegiance denied.

Now that's George Washington.

We all know Theodore Roosevelt.

Theodore Roosevelt didn't believe in hyphenated Americans.

There's only Americans.

There is no room, quoting him, there is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.

Now, that is obviously not a swipe at immigrants.

It was a call to unify under one flag, one set of laws, one national destiny.

That's why we're the melting pot.

That's why we came together.

That's why we could do incredible things.

Because people came and brought the best of their culture with them, but they melted and wanted to be an American.

And when dual loyalties creep into the halls of power, that's when a republic crumbles.

That's when you're over.

And it's not from without, it's from within.

And as I said,

Congresswoman Ramirez, her comments didn't happen in a vacuum.

They come at a time when Donald Trump has made immigration central to the campaign, ending birthright citizenship, ramping up ICE arrest, deporting those who break our laws, apparently except for her husband.

And what's the reaction?

Outrage.

Outrage from the same people who, you know, want our borders open, sanctuary cities, policies that blur, if not erase, the line between citizen and non-citizen.

They want that gone.

This isn't political.

It's not a political line anymore.

This is a spiritual one.

This is a moral one.

This is a constitutional line.

And now with her own words and her own associations, she's drawn that line in the sand.

On one side is America.

On the other side is Guatemala.

And she, by her own words, made her choice.

Guatemala.

Now the question is: does Congress even care?

Will Congress

will Congress and the American people

choose America over Guatemala or Somalia or any other place.

Will we say it matters?

So here's what happened.

This is what I believe should absolutely happen immediately.

She needs to immediately be removed from Homeland Security or immigration-related

committees.

If you don't believe in national sovereignty, you should not be managing our national sovereignty.

There should be a full investigation into her husband's immigration status.

No one in this country, not even the spouse of the congresswoman, should be above the law.

If Melania Trump had come here illegally, I would say exactly the same thing.

No one is above the law.

Citizenship loyalty review.

Boy, this really sounds scary.

You want a

citizenship loyalty review?

Yeah.

Yeah, we've had one in the past, and I think think we should

reintroduce it

because that is the oath of office, the oath of allegiance.

And that has to be a binding standard for those who are serving.

Are you allegiance?

Do you pledge allegiance to our flag, our country, our Constitution?

And if you can't say with real full conviction, oh, yeah, absolutely, of course,

that your allegiance is with the United United States of America.

Well, then you don't belong in government.

If you can't say, no, my loyalty is absolutely behind the Constitution of the United States of America, then you should not be in government.

And here's the biggest thing that has to happen.

This one happens with us.

We have to stop going, oh, well,

That's just politics because this is not politics.

This is not politics.

This goes right directly to the soul of our nation.

A line now has been crossed.

And it was crossed with Elon Omar, and we said nothing.

And now

it's been crossed with Congresswoman Ramirez.

And she crossed two lines.

Her husband, according to Rolling Stone, isn't illegal.

So are we going to hold the line or not?

Because if we don't know where our allegiance is, then we no longer know who we are.

We no longer believe in anything anymore because America doesn't matter.

You can serve as a defender of the Constitution and our sovereignty and not believe in the Constitution or our sovereignty.

That makes no sense.

You know what that means?

That means retardation has gone airborne.

That's what that means.

That we are so, we have become so susceptible to retardation that we can't see our own suicide.

But that's what that story is really all about.

And we have a choice.

So, what are you going to do about it today?

I suggest you stand up and you let your voice be heard.

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Journalist, I shouldn't say journalist, publicity hound Jim Acosta just did an interview.

Well, I can't even say that.

Just did, I don't even know what you would call it, did a publicity stunt,

not with a witness, not a grieving parent.

He sat down with an AI ghost.

It's a AI recreation of a 17-year-old kid.

named Joaquin Oliver.

He was murdered in the Parkland massacre.

And then he called it journalism.

He called it a conversation, but it wasn't.

It was neither.

It wasn't even human.

Let me play this grotesque panama for you.

Listen.

Joaquin, I would like to know what your solution would be for gun violence.

Great question.

I believe in a mix of stronger gun control laws, mental health support, and community engagement.

We need to create safe spaces for conversations and connections, making sure everyone feels seen and heard.

It's about building a culture of kindness and understanding.

What do you think about that?

I think that's a great idea, Joaquin.

That is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

I had seen all the headlines.

I hadn't actually seen the

so bad it's funny at this point.

It's just horrible.

I want to put this into perspective.

This is a

digital ventriloquist act.

He's a puppet.

It's the image of a dead kid, long buried, animated like a puppet for the politics of those who are still living.

Now, let me ask you something that

we haven't dared to ask out loud yet, and that is, what does it mean?

What does it truly mean to be alive if in death you're more useful?

what are the what are the Republicans saying or sorry the Democrats saying right now to some of the people in Congress they're saying you need to take a bullet why

because you're your you're more useful if you're dead if somebody assassinates you so what does it mean to be alive if in death you're more useful What does it mean when your image, your voice, your soul as captured by a memory or photograph can be summoned back again, not by God, but by algorithms and agenda?

I hate to go all religious on you, but I have to tell you, if this isn't the making of a graven image, I don't know what is.

Thou shall not make a graven image.

You don't make for yourself an idol or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on earth beneath.

you know the Native Americans used to they would never let you take your picture some of them some tribes would never let you take their picture because they thought it would steal your soul

this

doesn't have a soul

this is taking your image bringing you back to life without a soul

when man starts creating a likeness to wield power or emotion, we stop serving God and we start serving ourselves.

And

I'm going to be generous here and say I don't blame the parents.

I don't question their grief in any way, shape, or form.

But this...

This is no longer theirs.

This is not their son.

This is a political puppet.

The minute Joaquin's AI avatar spoke political opinions into a camera, it stopped being about grief and became propaganda.

And this, my friend, is only the beginning.

What happens when governments use AI resurrected faces for propaganda?

What happens when terrorists use deep fake hostages?

Hostages who are already dead, pleading for help?

You don't think that could happen with Hamas?

You don't think that Hamas couldn't have made an image?

In fact, the video that we saw last week could have very well been AI, and the kid could be dead.

Now it's not,

but that's what's coming.

What happens when we begin to trust synthetic testimony over human, actual human experience?

This isn't just immoral.

This is very, very dangerous.

This is soul erasing.

This is post-human.

You are entering a world now that is, it's post-human.

This is the dystopian world, and we're just beginning to step into it.

We're entering an age where the dead can be programmed to speak the words of the living.

Where grief is nothing more than a marketing tool, where death is not your end, but just a data set now to be parsed and projected and used politically.

And here's the real sick part of this.

The more meaningful your death, the more valuable your ghost.

If that doesn't shake you to your core, nothing's going to.

If this doesn't wake you up to the dangers of AI,

nothing will.

If this doesn't wake you up to go, oh dear God,

I've got to get back to the basics.

I have to start asking the questions, what does it mean to be human?

Nothing will.

We have to draw really strong ethical hard lines in the sand.

On the use of AI, the use of likeness of the dead.

It should be codified in law, internationally.

And I'm not saying, you know, you're not bringing characters back.

You know, you're not bringing...

You're not bringing things back to, you know, show them in movies or for entertainment or whatever.

But when you're bringing dead children back,

I don't know.

I think there's a problem here.

There's a problem.

And we also have to teach our kids discernment here, here, critical thinking, you know, and more than critical thinking, moral reasoning has got to be taught.

We need a generation that knows the difference between the real and artificial, between the sacred and the synthetic, because that's going to be blurred.

All of it is blurred.

How long before a Jim Acosta clown isn't the one doing it?

But somebody's serious.

transparency from media, from tech, not after the fact, but before the images even appear on the screen.

Now, to his credit, he did say this was AI, of course, but it's a ghost.

We have to reawaken the soul, the concept of the soul.

This is why I've said for years that Ray Kurzweil is one of the scariest guys I've ever met because he doesn't believe in the soul.

He believes that that, what you just saw, is just as real as the real kid.

The soul can't be copied, it can't be coded, it can't be commodified

because we lose our soul in our culture.

If we lose it

in our culture, in our politics, in our mourning, in our journalism, then you got nothing left.

And doesn't Joaquin Oliver deserve dignity in life?

Everybody knows he deserved peace in death, right?

What he didn't deserve is to be animated by code to deliver a political message like a branded mascot.

I'm sorry, but if this is the parents doing, the parents, the parents, shame on you.

Shame on you.

I understand your grief as much as a parent can that hasn't lost a child.

I understand your grief, but this is sick.

You know where this road leads?

It leads to a future where grief can be licensed, where every dead child becomes a campaign, and where being alive no longer requires a pulse.

Just a well-trained AI model.

You never died.

That's not compassion.

That is not progress.

That is hell wearing the mask of empathy.

Shame on you, Jim Acosta, because out of all the people that could have done this, you're only doing it for PR.

You're only doing it because you need the attention.

It's sick.

And Americans have to stand up and say, no more.

You have to, at least in your personal life,

make a decision.

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and what is death worth?

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Ken Paxton, welcome to the program.

It's great to be back, Glenn.

Hope you're doing well.

The same.

By the way, how are the polls going for you?

How's the race you're running against Cornyn?

Well, it's going well.

I mean, the numbers, every poll I've seen, even polls I haven't done, have me way up.

My own polls have me up 25 points.

And

I just continue to do the same job I've done over the last 11 years.

And he's obviously changed his focus from being what he was to being an all-in Trump guy for the last few months.

It's a miracle.

He's a converted miracle.

I know.

I know.

Okay, so Ken, let's talk a little bit about gerrymandering and what is happening here in the state of Texas.

Go ahead.

No, no, you go ahead and ask a question.

I should wait at least for the question.

The Democrats don't like the fact that the Republicans are going to do some gerrymandering here, which is done everywhere else.

So they have left the state.

This is the third time they've done it.

So what is their plan?

What is

what should happen?

And what are you, as the Attorney General and the

Governor, going to do about it?

First of all, it's pretty ironic that they're going to Illinois, New York, and Massachusetts, three of the most liberal states and some of the most gerrymandered states in the country.

I think Illinois might be the most gerrymandered.

If you look at Illinois and how it's drawn, I think 82% of the members of Congress are Democrats, whereas 48% of the population votes Republicans, so it doesn't match up even closely.

So they leave Texas as the Democrats, the 51%, some of them go to Chicago to a state that is completely gerrymandered.

So it's really hypocritical in my view what they're doing, as you've already mentioned in the prelude to talking to me.

So the goal here is, I mean, I honestly would have locked them up when they were in the house.

Text house speaker could have shut the doors and kept everybody in.

We've done that.

We did that back in 2003.

And once the doors are locked, you can't get out.

And you spend the night there and you vote.

And they could have done that.

They did not do that.

So they let the

cat out of the bag.

The cat's gone.

So now you either arrest them, which you're not going to get help from jurisdictions like Illinois, Boston, and Boston.

You're not going to get help, Massachusetts, or New York.

So arresting them is not likely scenario until they come back.

What has happened in the past is our governors have waited them out because ultimately

many of them have to come back.

They have jobs, they have families, they're not going to live in Illinois.

It gets cold up there.

New York's cold.

Boston's cold.

So they come back and we vote.

And every time we've ultimately been successful.

Another option we're looking at, as a matter of fact, when I get off this call, I was meeting with a bunch of my lawyers lawyers to talk about this.

This quo warento, which is a possibility that we looked into a couple of years ago.

We suggested it might be a way to take existing members out of their positions if they fail to show up to perform their duties.

Now, you take them out of the positions, but then there has to be a special election.

So you can't go right to vote.

Right?

Yeah, no, because that changes the quorum.

I think it'll change the quorum.

So you have less members, your quorum numbers change.

So

Abbott could also appoint, I think could appoint, and at least until there's a special election, some of these might be appointed positions as well for a period of time.

So there's possibilities.

It's definitely not a fast process, although we're trying to figure out a way to fast track it

so that we can get an answer sooner rather than later.

Otherwise,

it's just a waiting game.

Either way, in the end,

we know how this is going to turn out because Governor is not going to back down and he'll just keep calling them back until they show up.

This is a nuclear weapon that they launched.

And all you're going to hear from the media is if you launch back,

they're going to just say that you're using a nuclear weapon, you're destroying the Republic, et cetera, et cetera.

But they're the ones that launched the nuclear strike.

You don't do that.

And this is the third time they've tried this, and it doesn't work.

Well, what's interesting, Glenn, is, I mean, I've been, I've been, I was in Texas House starting in 2003, served 10 years in the House, two years in the Senate, been AG for 11.

The only thing they've ever left on, it's not abortion, it's not, you know, welfare.

It's, you know, it's always this.

This is what they care about.

They care about controlling Congress, about controlling things through manipulation.

And these are the rules of the game.

The Supreme Court laid down the rules.

You can, as you said, you can gerrymander as long as it's political.

The legislature has every right to draw the lines however they want to.

And they could be really bad lines for the other party, but they're allowed to do it under Texas, under a U.S.

Supreme Court precedent.

And it is a state's decision.

This is not a federal decision.

This is a state's decision.

Every state can do whatever it is.

What do you think about New York, which is already gerrymandered?

What do you think about New York saying, well, if Texas is going to do that, then we're just going to gerrymander even more?

Well, look, look,

they're entitled to do whatever their state constitution and their laws allow them to do.

There's always a risk you go too far and you stretch those seats too far.

There are Republicans in New York, I know, because my family's from there.

There are Republicans, and if you draw those seats too tightly,

you can end up losing some of those down the road.

I will

tell you that

the problem with gerrymandering, in my opinion, and the founders, both Jefferson and

I think it was Adams and Jefferson wrote about this.

And this is about 1820, so after gerrymandering had started.

And they talked about how this was a flaw in the Constitution that they wish they would have put in what are called stakes.

And it comes right from the Old Testament, where, you know, you start with

500 people.

And then that's a square.

And then when that becomes, you know, a thousand people, you cut it in half half and it becomes another square.

And so it just, you don't, you can't gerrymander.

Everything just keeps growing and you just keep cutting it in squares.

Because the problem is, when you gerrymander, all of a sudden your neighbors don't matter.

All of a sudden, you might be represented by somebody who's way away from your community instead of somebody who's living right in your community.

And the other thing is, you no longer care about the middle.

You're only playing to the extremes because you've cut everyone else out that would help balance you at all.

It's really dangerous.

Do you agree with that or not?

No, I absolutely agree with you.

It's just that's not the system the founders put in place.

And as a result, you know, the Democrats are going to do it.

You can sit back and say, well,

philosophically, I'm against this.

And the Democrats are just going to control the House and the Senate forever because we're against this.

You can't let that happen.

So

I agree with you.

It's not ideal, but you play by the rules, just like in football, you might like all the rules, but you play by the rules you got.

Correct.

So you're going to decide, I mean, on a warrant or warrants

have been issued, right?

But it's one where they come into the state and it's not,

you don't take them to jail.

You take them to the house, correct?

Yes.

It's not a prison sentence.

I mean, unless you consider being on the Texas House floor, which I often did, a prison sentence.

But because

if the doors are shut and you're stuck with all those people, sometimes you wish you weren't.

Right.

Yeah, it's just a they're once they step into the state, they'll be escorted back to the house, and presumably they'll do what I suggested.

And

either if they're not going to step, they already know they're going to, if they come back, they're going to stay.

They've made their decision.

So who knows when that'll be, but I think in the end, it won't matter.

It'll happen

the way the Republicans have planned it.

Ken, thank you very much.

Are we you're going to be looking into who paid for these flights?

It's my understanding that some of them were flying private jets, and I'd like to know who paid for those.

That just has to be declared before the next election or at the end of the year.

So during special session, they have to report on their campaign expenditures and their campaign contributions.

So that will all be seen by the public within, I think, a month after session, something like that.

So,

the special session lasts 30 days.

I forget exactly what day he called it.

Sometime in,

I would say, sometime in September, we should know that information.

Wow.

Thank you so much, Ken.

I appreciate it.

Keep up the good work.

Absolutely.

Have a great day.

God bless.

You bet.

Bye-bye.

So, Stu,

I mean, it's nuclear war.

It's nuclear war.

It's a very pathetic version of nuclear war where you run away to J.P.

Pritzker.

I mean, it's not

the day after exactly.

It's sissy.

Yes.

It's Sissy.

Yeah.

It's nuclear war.

It's Democrat nuclear war.

It really is pathetic, right?

It's this, you know, you're scampering away to hide behind a very large governor in another state.

And we should also highlight why it's Illinois.

There's a reason for this, right?

Like, you know, you could go, there is an Indian, a Native American reservation with the world's largest casino, Glenn, right over the border of Texas.

They could go there and stay there, and

they'd be across state lines.

They're in Illinois because, you know, fundraising.

Right, exactly.

They're looking because they want J.B.

Pritzker to be their sugar daddy.

And they also realize that J.B.

Pritzker's likely going to run for president in 2028.

These people want to be close to those types of

money.

He's a billionaire and that type of influence.

And so they're going there to sort of scout whatever their next gig is or wherever the next donation is coming from.

It's got nothing to do with

caring about any of this.

Of course, they care about the seats.

Kennan's right.

That's seemingly their most central interest is power.

But

this works on multiple fronts for their continued power, and this is why they're doing it, even though they know they're going to fail.

I mean,

there's no way this ends with

Texas not having a quorum for the rest of the term.

Like, that's not how this ends.

No, no.

You know, and what's sad is they're supposed to be talking about property tax relief.

that if you really want to help your constituents, you pass that.

You change the property tax rules.

The property tax in Texas is just

like Florida, completely out of control.

Completely out of control.

Yeah,

I certainly agree with that.

But there's also the flood, you know, these flood victims, you know, and it's funny because

the way the media is spinning this is that Republicans are stopping it.

It's like, no, wait a minute.

The Democrats are in another state.

What do you mean Republicans are stopping the funding?

They come back and then they can start talking about the funding for, yes, they're going to do the maps.

That's going to be part of it.

And that's going to happen either way.

But this way would also get the money to

the people that need it in these flood zones.

And it's fascinating that the Republicans get the blame for that.

Just like Israel is getting the blame for the starving hostages now.

You know,

wait a minute.

Hamas is starving the hostages, but it's Israel's fault that they're starving?

Like, it's it's hard to even follow the logic, but that's where we are with the video.

I know.

And the other thing is, is they were getting rid of the

star tests, which your kids have taken star testing, Stu?

Maybe.

I don't know.

I don't pay attention to them much either.

They come and go.

Start please.

The star testing is the state of Texas, the standardized test.

And

everybody hates it.

Teachers hate it.

Kids hate it because it's just you're teaching half of the year just to that test.

And it's ridiculous.

You've got to stop teaching to tests.

That's what makes school so depressing is you're just memorizing for test.

You're just memorizing.

And what is that teaching you?

That's not teaching you how to think.

That's teaching you what to think and how to answer questions on a test

that you've memorized.

It's ridiculous.

I don't know why we do it.

And that's another thing that is on

the list.

But, you know, the Democrats had to get out of town so they could, gosh darn it, so they could stand for their constituents.

Yeah, you know, I mean, I know this isn't the topic, but I'm not, I don't hate them as much as everybody else does.

Standardized testing, you know, I get why it has a bad rep, and I understand

why that is.

Okay, hang on.

I just thought for a second, I thought you were talking about the Democrats there for a second.

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we were talking earlier about uh jumping the shark and when uh this uh this crazy woke movement jumped the shark

uh and i thought it it might have been the jaguar commercial that's that

but it it also could have been

uh maybe the bud light commercial that's probably a better better example still yeah i mean i think that's the most obvious one right the the

dylan uh mulvaney mulvaney Bud Light moment, if you will.

That one probably has to be up there.

Another one is

someone suggests

when Disney had a lesbian black space witch in Star Wars,

and then Disney blamed Star Wars fans for being toxic, says Rich.

That's one that might work as well.

There's a lot of examples, though.

There's a lot of nominees for this one.

You know, it was four years ago.

Only, I mean, think of this.

Kirk Cameron was on this program with me, I think, four years ago, and he had put a book out, and he was banned from reading it in the library all across the country.

And that kicked off a movement back then, but it was wildly different times just a few, three, four years ago.

Kirk is joining us now.

Hi, Kirk.

How are you?

Good morning, guys.

I'm doing great.

Great.

Thank you for having me on the show.

How long ago was it?

Tell the story

where woke really just came down your throat.

Well, yeah,

that's some disturbing imagery right there.

But, you know, you're talking about the black lesbian Space Witch.

I'm remembering Buzz Light Year, and I'm remembering Bud Light commercial, just like you said.

But for me, on a personal level, it was four years ago when I went to public libraries and was outright outright locked out of them, just straight up denied by over 50 woke libraries that wouldn't let me read my wholesome children's book about faith, hope, and love to the communities that wanted to hear it.

And when I told you and a few other friends who helped to spread the word,

I put them on blast, reminded them that's America, this is unconstitutional, this is viewpoint discrimination of the worst kind, religious discrimination.

And they quickly reversed their judgments, gave me an invitation, and when I showed up, there were thousands of parents and grandparents who were there to support a movement of getting back to the values in education that lead to our kids' blessing and their protection.

So

that was just

three years ago.

That was three to four years ago.

Yeah, right around Christmas time.

Look at how fast things have changed.

And now

this year, you're going to be at the Library of Congress.

That's nuts.

Isn't that great?

I love it.

This is the perfect plot twist in a great movie.

Just when you think all hope is lost, when you're up against the worst kind of odds, we feel like we're on a freight train headed for a leftist brick wall.

All of a sudden, the political winds change and opportunities open up.

So we went from being locked out of libraries to now partnering with the Trump administration to lead Story Hour at the Library of Congress.

And I think the key is it's you've got to genuinely have pure-hearted motives behind what you do if you want heaven's help.

You've got to have a clear conscience and a faith that doesn't flinch.

And essentially, what we need to say to those who are destroyers of our children's liberty is that we're not begging for a seat at the cultural table.

We're building a new one.

And now the Trump administration is pulling up up a chair.

And we are about to change the cultural narrative

because you don't let faith and freedom falter.

You don't retreat when that happens.

You rally.

And that's what parents are doing.

Are you concerned at all

about

Trump losing to a Democrat for some reason the economy goes sideways or something?

And the vengeance that the left will come back with?

Yeah, I'm sure they're chomping at the bit.

I mean, they just

are salivating at the opportunity.

But that has been the case for 10 years to just destroy the man and the administration.

And I don't know about you, Glenn, I think you would agree with me.

I think that the divine hand of Providence has been behind this guy.

I don't know how else to explain it.

I mean, I'm not saying he's the epitome and moral paragon of everything that

we want our daughters to marry as I

certainly

was David.

Neither was Big David.

Neither was Moses.

Neither was anyone in the Bible except for Jesus.

Yeah, and certainly, you know, I mean, do we want to say that Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Obama, and Kamala

were of higher moral character, or anyone else behind the curtain for that matter?

I know of only a couple of people that I would say I think are really morally upstanding people at those levels of power and influence.

But what I do know is more has been done for pro-life, more has been done for families, more has been done for opportunity and education and freedom.

And I'm so thankful to be on this train right now.

So

how is Iggy and Mr.

Kirk doing?

It's doing so good.

You know, Iggy, my little five-year-old puppet iguana that I'm raising in my backyard treehouse, he's getting a little bit of a big head.

You know, he wants his name

at the front of the title of the show.

It's Iggy and Mr.

Kirk.

It couldn't be the other way around.

He's got a tough agent.

But kids love him.

And that's on the

Brave Plus, right?

Yeah, it's streaming on Brave Plus, but it's also streaming on the Angel Network, which we're really grateful for, right next to The Chosen.

And it's streaming on Pureflix as well.

My sister Candace Cameron is a big part of the Great American Family channel, and it's streaming there as well.

So people can watch it in all three places.

She's very concerned about about

AI.

Isn't she?

My sister?

My sister?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I get it.

I get it.

Yeah,

it's concerning.

It's very concerning.

Yeah.

So

go ahead.

Well, I was just going to say, you know, it's...

like so many other powerful pieces of technology, you know, there's so much to love about it, and there's so much to be terrified about it.

And when Elon Musk says that he thinks it's a larger existential threat than nuclear warfare, you know,

we got to take that serious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There was,

what was his name, Stu, from CNN?

I forget a total loser.

Yeah, that's CNN.

I'm going to narrow it down more than that, but Jim Acosta.

Yeah, Jim Acosta.

Did you see Jim Acosta?

He just did

an interview with one of the kids that died at Parkland

through AI.

And I saw that today, and I thought of you immediately being on the show because I thought, this is making graven images.

This seems just so unbelievably wrong when you don't have, you know, it's soulless.

It's a literal digital puppet of whatever the parents are thinking.

It's not him.

It just seemed to cross a really dangerous line.

Yeah,

yeah, it does, right?

I mean, I think that's always our dilemma: is

can we keep up morally with the things we create technologically?

I mean, this is the stuff that makes for great movies.

It's when the mad scientist creates the thing and then it falls into the wrong hands, and we're there.

I just did an episode on my podcast where we talked about AI relationships, and people straight up have AI girlfriends, boyfriends, and virtual soulmates, and they're getting married to them, at least in their hearts and ceremonially, and they're in tears saying, I've never been so in love.

And you think, is this the future of relationships?

Or is this just a dismantling of

human beings and the beginning of transhumanism?

What will our sons and daughters marry in the future?

Oh, it's the end of, obviously, it's the end of humanity, end of humans.

If you're, if we all pair off with an artificial being, you know, we're not going to be making a lot of other kids.

And, and, and, and, and, and it's a truly frightening world where, you know, you don't have to deal with any messy downsides of a relationship at all.

You don't, you don't have to come home when you've had a really bad day and have the AI say, hey, you know, you haven't even asked me about my day yet.

I mean, that's part of being alive, you know?

Yeah, yeah, I know.

I found nothing in my life to be more sanctifying or character building

than being married.

Because that's the ultimate school where I learn how to be like Jesus and die to myself and lay down my preferences and serve somebody else.

That's really hard for human beings to do.

But with AI, you know, look, if you've ever wanted to program your husband so that he has the perfect responses to you, now you can.

You're going to be with Missy Robinson, what is it, August 16th, right?

That's next week.

That's right.

Yeah,

Missy and Jace Robertson from Duck Dynasty are going to be with me at the Library of Congress for See You at the Library.

And this is the big event that we have been doing the last couple of years.

It's the culmination of all these story hours and book readings.

And it's going to be in hundreds and hundreds of libraries across the U.S., led by parents and grandparents, singing, praying, reading books of virtue and character and patriotism.

And I will be at kind of the mothership, which is the Library of Congress with Missy and Jace and the Department of Education Center for Faith in partnership with the Trump administration.

It's going to be awesome.

It's going to be awesome.

It is going to be awesome.

He's gone from, in four years, gone from being kicked out of 50 different libraries to now having over 500 libraries participating in this, including the Library of Congress.

Kirk, always good to talk to you, my friend.

Thank you so much.

I'm so thankful for you.

God bless you guys.

God bless you guys.

You bet.

You can find out more by going to see you at the library.com.

See you at the library.com.