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It's Stu Bergier, who is with me up here at the Standing Rock Ranch, and Jason, who's holding the fort down at our headquarters in Dallas, Texas.

Hello, Jason.

Hello, Stu.

How are you?

Good morning, Glenn.

That was thrilling.

And how are you, Stu?

I'm doing very well, Glenn.

Thank you very much.

Yeah.

So tell me, Jason, let's start with you.

Biggest story of the day.

It's a combination of stories.

One, an old story that's servicing again, that there's apparently a secret room in the Hoover building that contains a bunch of Russia gate stuff that no one has apparently ever seen or heard of.

And then that in conjunction with how the FISA court is now okaying Congress to look at certain things that no one had seen or heard from.

And John Brennan's name is just coming up again out of nowhere.

No big deal.

He's just the guy that would have maybe allowed stuff like the steel dossier to get in and spread all over the place.

You know, like cancer.

Well, the good news is they've they've only got about five weeks before a statute of limitations runs out on that guy.

Oh my gosh.

Good for them.

Good for them.

They're all on top of it.

Stu, biggest story of the day.

Let me go with Javier Molay.

I love the story in that it's the results of all these policies are coming out.

Ooh.

Argentina's economy now growing at 7.7%.

Holy cow.

He eliminated rent controls.

Now rent is actually going down.

Totally.

The exact opposite.

Wait, wait, wait.

We got to get into this.

I want to get into this fully in just a second.

Let me tell you the biggest story of the day, and I think it is the biggest story possibly of all mankind as of today.

It's going to change rapidly.

I don't know if anybody did.

Did either of you guys watch the Elon Musk thing last night?

No.

I did watch a few minutes of it.

Okay.

Did you, Jason?

No, sure didn't.

Okay.

So the XAI team was there to unveil Grok 4.

This is the latest artificial intelligence system.

And let me be very, very clear.

Last night was not your typical tech launch.

This is a moment that demands everyone's full attention.

We are now at the crossroads where promise and peril are going to collide.

Okay.

I have have explained to you for years AGI, A AI, AGI, and ASI.

Narrow intelligence is what we've always had.

General intelligence is the next step, and that is it's better than man.

One,

one,

you know, like Grok can do everything that you can do, better than you can do.

Okay.

And then there's super intelligence, ASI,

artificial super intelligence.

That's when things get really, really creepy.

When you hit AGI,

the road to ASI could be overnight.

Okay.

We need to understand

what's at stake here because Grok 4

brought us closer to that second stage than ever before.

Grok 4

is a...

powerhouse.

They demonstrated it last night.

It surpasses the expertise of PhD-level scholars in all fields.

It can get 100%

on any

test for any field, mathematics, physics, engineering, you name it.

This is not a search engine.

This is a system that tackles problems so intricate.

They go beyond our existing knowledge base, okay?

is let's say we have a fusion reactor and the magnetic containment system goes down I don't even know what I'm talking about at this point but it goes down and the top minds all on earth are like I don't know what to do Grok 4 can step in model the physics design new material stabilize the system and avert catastrophe and it can do it about that fast.

Now, this is the capability that Musk says is just around the corner.

Mark my words.

You know, how many, how many years did I say between 2027 and 2030, we would start to see this?

Oh, a million times.

That was always your window.

Right.

That's what I remember.

Yeah.

Yeah, always the window.

And everybody, even Ray Kurzweil, said, oh, that's way too, that's way too optimistic.

Maybe

2050.

And then people started going 2040, then 2030.

Grok shows us 2026 or 2027 is when we're going to hit it.

This is the last year that we have before things get really weird.

Okay?

Last night,

Elon Musk is touting this AI

and

all of the solutions.

And then he says,

probably three times, something like this.

And I'm quoting, this is one of them.

It's somewhat unnerving to have created intelligence that's greater than our own.

He then goes on to call it terrifying twice.

Now, this is a man who's launched rockets

into orbit

going to Mars.

And he says

twice.

after he sees the results of it, he says, you know, it's really, in a way, quite terrifying to see what it's doing.

But we just have to make sure that it remains good.

Oh,

okay.

All right, sure.

Now, the key point in the announcement was the mention of ARC-AGI.

I had never heard of Arc AGI, and had no idea what it was, but I noticed AGI, and I'm like, uh-oh, that sounds important.

So, this is the gold, the gold standard, the benchmark testing for artificial general intelligence.

Okay,

as I've said before, AGI, artificial general intelligence, is a machine that matches all human cognition across all domains, reasoning, creativity, problem solving, not just specialized tasks like playing Go or analyzing x-rays.

Everything.

For instance, Musk said by mid-next year to the latest end of next year, it will be able to create a full-length movie

just from a text prompt and do it all at once.

So, in other words, it'll say, create a movie, and you just explain the Godfather.

It will do the casting, it will do the writing, it will do the filming, if you will,

it will

score the music, and it will happen that fast, almost in real time.

We are nowhere near the computational power now to do that separately, but this will do it all at once.

It will make a movie with all of it simultaneously.

So, the ARC AGI system is the benchmark on how close are we to AGI.

Remember, scary things happen at AGI, terrifying things happen at ASI.

ASI could be a matter of hours or days

after we hit AGI.

Grok 4

scored 16.2%

on the ARC AGI scale.

Why is that important?

You're like, oh, well, they're only 16% away.

Because

last time it barely broke 8%.

And they took that test last time with Grok 3.

And it took us forever forever to get to 8%.

Now,

what is it, a year later, we're at 16%.

Remember, these things are not linear.

The next time, we could be at 32, we might be at 64.

We are on the verge.

This is the last year of,

I can't believe I'm saying this, of normalcy.

Okay, this year is, we're going to look back at this year and probably two years ago.

Gosh, you remember the good old days when everything was normal and you could understand everything?

This is how close we are.

This, everything you and I talked about last night, Stu, about what we're doing in January.

Does it make it even more critical that that happens like, oh, I don't know, right now?

Yeah, for sure.

You are going to need to know your values, your ethics, your rights.

You're going to need to to know absolutely everything.

Now, Grok4 is not true AGI yet.

It lacks the full autonomy and the generalized reasoning of a human mind, but it is the closest that we have come.

It's a system that can

adapt, innovate at a level that outpaces specialized AIs by a wide margin.

This is a milestone.

This is not a destination, but it's something that should jolt everybody awake.

So here's what's coming in the next six months.

By December 2025,

that's this Christmas.

December 2025, he believes, Musk, that Grok 4 will drive through breakthroughs in material sciences.

So in other words, imagine a new, brand new alloy that is lighter than aluminum, stronger than steel, and it revolutionizes aerospace and everything else, or a drug that halts Alzheimer's progression tailored to a patient's DNA.

Grok will drive breakthroughs through material science, so brand new, brand new materials that nobody's ever thought of, pharmaceuticals that we never thought could be made, and chemical engineering, putting together chemicals that no man has ever thought.

That's going to happen

by December.

Imagine a chemical compound that makes carbon capture economically viable.

The climate change stuff, it's over.

It will be over

because this will solve that.

These are not fantasies.

This is Grok 4.

Musk said something that I never thought.

He said, he believes within the next year, by 2027,

Grok 4 will uncover new physical laws.

So that will rewrite the understanding, our understanding of the entire universe.

That there will come new, you know, like there's gravity.

Hey, you know what?

There's another law here that you never thought of.

Wait, what?

That, he says, will come by 2027.

This is going to accelerate human discovery at an unprecedented scale.

I told you at some point, I said by 2030, it might be a little earlier than that.

Things are going to be happening at such a fast rate, you're not going to be able to keep up with them.

And it will accelerate to the point where you won't even understand

what all of this means or what the ramifications are.

Are you there yet?

In six months, Grok 4 could evolve into a system that dwarfs human expertise in economics, defense, all of it.

Now,

again,

it's a bit terrifying to quote Elon Musk.

Why?

Because we don't know what else comes with this.

This is like an alien life form.

We have no idea

what to

predict, what it will be capable of, how it will view us when we are ants to its intellect.

Okay?

It is a tool, but it is also Pandora's box.

Grok 4 is the biggest step towards AGI

and

may be one of the last steps to AGI.

My feeling is

what I've been saying forever, 2027 to 2030.

I am leaning more to the 2027

now

because of this announcement last night.

We are on the verge of AGI and everything in human existence changing overnight.

And as Musk said himself, two times,

it's terrifying.

We should act like it is terrifying or risk losing the control of the future that we're all trying to build.

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I was watching some of this Grok thing last night.

You didn't hit either of the two main things that I was

thought maybe was most important.

Okay.

Number one, the fact that Elon Musk found a group of people that he's the least awkward of.

That was

a great thing.

Was that an awkward, the whole thing was awkward.

There would be, I mean, this was a major, I don't know what you would call a rollout or press conference in a way.

And he had like five people on the stage sitting with him, and they all had microphones.

And there were times that they would just say something, and then they would just sit there and they'd blink at one another.

Right.

And then they'd look up at a screen and then one of them would awkwardly say, oh, another thing that can happen.

It was really awkward.

The most common phrase used was, so

yeah.

And the context would be like, so that's

a 14.6 gain in that metric.

So,

yeah.

Yeah.

And then Elon Musk would be like, oh, and so what we're saying here is he'd have to like jump in to make it understandable.

But the other part I thought was fascinating about this was Musk highlighted this multiple times where he was saying he wanted to make sure that we were bringing this into the physical world.

And he's like, and the way you do this is with Optimus.

And he was talking about how Grok would work with the robot.

Oh, I forgot about that.

Yes.

Yeah, wasn't that?

Oh,

wait, wait.

He's like,

he said, Grok now, because it's going to AGI.

Grok, we put Grok into now the Optimus, which is his robot, and it will be able to understand, it will be able to navigate anything.

We are on the verge of having real-life robots that are smarter than you

all over

in our society.

So,

robocop.

So, yeah,

I mean, that is legitimately the plot of every,

you know, every

sci-fi horror story that starts Frankenstein.

Yeah.

It's Frankenstein.

I tell you,

who is the guy that we know that does all the horror movies?

A Blum.

Jason Blumhorn.

Yeah, Jason Blum from Blumhouse.

I was talking to him.

We were having lunch one time and I said, you need to redo Frankenstein.

And he's like, kind of been there, done that.

And I said, no.

This is, we are living in Frankenstein right now.

We're doing it right now.

It's all AGI.

It's Frankenstein and the monster is going to revolt.

Yeah, the monster doesn't just like grunt.

Right.

You know,

it does feel that.

I mean, yeah, like the everyone was talking about the

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that Grok release.

And it's like, we get that story.

I feel like every single time there's a new release of these, somebody is able to antagonize the AI into doing something crazy.

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You know, during the break, I just laid out

an idea of what I think, a scenario that I think could

happen pretty quickly, logically,

that kind of makes it, it falls right into the Elon Musk, yeah, terrifying, terrifying that he said last night when he was

unveiling Grok 4.

We'll get into that a little bit later and also some of the other things that are going on with shockingly all of the progress that is being made now on

different fronts with putting bad guys in jail in Washington.

We'll get into that.

But I wanted to talk to Douglas Mackey.

Now, this is a guy, you probably know the name, hopefully you do.

He was sentenced to seven months in prison for putting together a meme during the election with Hillary Clinton.

And he put a meme up

that said,

you know,

you can vote from home.

And I don't remember what it was.

Do we have the meme actually there?

Yeah, there it is.

Yeah, you just text Hillary and it says MAGA on it, you know, hashtag MAGA.

It's clearly, I mean, you have to be a NINCOM poop to believe this, but you know, there's a lot of NINCOM poops.

But just went away, and then when Biden came in, oh, they decided to

throw the book at him.

And yesterday, some really good news happened.

A federal judge overturned this, and he is now free from this insane,

dare I say it, Hitlerian attempt on freedom of speech.

Douglas Mackey is with us.

Hi, Doug.

Hi, Glenn.

Great to be here.

Thank you.

Oh, I bet it is good to be here today, right?

Wow.

It's a great day to be an American.

Yeah.

So tell me, first of all, how'd you find out?

Where were you?

And what the reaction was with you and your family.

Yeah, so here I am on the first day of vacation with my beautiful wife and our young son.

And my trial attorney sent me a text, just said, congrats.

And I figured, wow, it just happened.

So I called him up and he gave me the news.

Shortly thereafter, I was able to actually get a copy of the opinion.

But no, it was a great day to be on vacation.

I bet it was.

I bet it was.

So you've been going through this for how long?

Yeah, this is four and a half years since

four FBI agents knocked on my door at 7 a.m.

And that was seven days after Joe Biden was inaugurated.

Wow.

Wow, they had you in the sights long before, long before they got into office.

Oh, that's right.

What did they say to you, and what was your first reaction?

Well, they said, you know, are you Douglas Backey?

We have a warrant for your arrest.

The first words out of my mouth were, for what?

And I really had no idea that this meme was going to be the basis for a prosecution because you know

at the time I wasn't even on Twitter but back in the 2016 election cycle you know I tweeted thousands of times so I had no idea and and but I did know that once they make you an enemy that it's like show me the man and I'll show you the crime so I was very curious to see what they had cooked up and I didn't even get to know I didn't even know until after the arraignment when they

they took the leg shackles off me and placed a copy in my hands of a 30-page criminal complaint.

And were you surprised that you were charged under the Klan Act?

The Klan Act, a federal felony.

I was shocked at the felony.

Misdemeanor, sometimes people would rather just plea out rather than go to the expense.

of fighting it, but a federal felony, the KKK Act, unbelievable.

And this was really kind of a trial balloon, wasn't it?

The Justice Department was using the Klan Act to go after pro-life people, really just anybody, just targeting whomever.

So

I was the first, and let me mention this, they indicted Donald J.

Trump on the same statute.

Wow.

When

When you found out about the Klan Act, and then, I mean, your attorney had to be freaking out and saying, this is ridiculous.

And then when it was overturned yesterday, how far do you think the ramifications of your case being overturned go?

Is it just you?

No, no, absolutely not.

So, I mean, this is a total humiliation, I believe, for the sort of Biden DOJ, I mean, one of many, but this is a total humiliation for the EDNY, the DOJ, the New York FBI.

And I think that unfortunately we did not necessarily get as sweeping of a constitutional victory because you probably know these appellate courts, they kind of rule if, you know, once they come to a conclusion on, let's say,

one of the grounds, they don't rule on all the other grounds.

So I think they're going to think long and hard before bringing more of these cases.

But unfortunately, it's not part of the sweeping constitutional ruling that we wanted, but but

nevertheless, a great victory.

So, Doug, I have to tell you, I think I heard a phrase, you know, it's the process

more than the

process is the punishment?

Yeah, the process, that's it.

The process is the punishment.

And I've been thinking about that because I know somebody who has been waiting almost 10 years for the process, and it's hanging over him.

And I thought,

I was talking to him a couple of weeks ago, and I said, how do you even live your life?

You never know.

You never know what the next thing is happening, when they're going to start going, okay, well, we're ready to take you to prison now.

I mean,

how, what is that like to live under this?

You know, only, I would say only faith can get you through it.

I mean, it just, in the beginning, the pretrial is unbelievable.

I mean, the amount of stress.

And then, but then the trial comes along, and that's even more stress.

And then,

you know, one of the most difficult things to sit through is a sentencing hearing.

That was extremely difficult, you know, getting lectured at by this hardcore partisan hack on sitting on the bench.

And, you know, it's not about Democrat or Republican because

the appellate court was bipartisan.

But in the case of this particular judge, you know, it was very much getting a lecture.

So, and then, you know, and then she said, We said we're moving for an appeal bond, seven-month sentence.

Well, appeals usually take a lot longer than seven months, and we have extremely strong grounds,

not only evidentiary, which is what we ultimately won on, but constitutional grounds.

She denied the motion outright, and guess what that means?

Well, you're sitting around wondering if you're going to win the appeal bond.

We had to go to the circuit court just to get an appeal bond, and then we're sitting around waiting for that.

And so

it's unbelievable.

Oh, and by the way, you know, there's another 50 grand to argue that, or 50, 60 grand just to argue an appeal bond.

Douglas, when all this happened at the beginning, did you have some like massive social media following that was moving tens of thousands of voters?

I mean, what was your profile at the time?

So at the time, I did have a large account at 62,000 followers, which back in the day was pretty big and it was very active.

And they said, you know, they do these studies.

Well, you know, I am skeptical, but MIT said it was one of the top 150 influential accounts on Twitter at the time.

This would have been early 16 during the primary.

But the funny thing is, that account was suspended by Jack Dorsey early October.

And by the time I posted this meme, I was doing it on a second account that only had about 10,000.

And that account,

the tweet itself only got like, you know, 100 likes or something.

Unbelievable.

Likes.

Why were you the target then of this?

That's fascinating.

Like, why did they single you out?

Obviously, people were posting all sorts of crazy things.

Well, you're not going to believe this, but it's got a lot to do with Russia.

So, well, number one, you know,

I was a prominent, quote-unquote, influential Trump supporter.

They had this breakdown about quote-unquote disinformation, misinformation.

It's supposedly this was enabling the rise of Donald Trump and the quote-unquote far right, right?

And so not only that, they wanted to send a message about quote-unquote misinformation and arrest a prominent Trump supporter.

But they actually thought it's unbelievable that the DOJ

embraces these sort of theories, but they actually thought that they were going to arrest me.

They also squeezed a guy, a poor guy, this poor guy actually

who pled guilty and

cooperated.

He testified against me in court on this non-existent crime.

And they thought they were going to arrest me, squeeze this other guy,

and uncover some Russia collusion.

This was on the floor of the Senate.

This meme was blown up on a big poster board on the floor of the Senate.

Senator Klobuchar did this and she said, this is Russia.

This is a crime.

We need investigations.

They actually thought that this was some Russian plot to steal the election.

I remember when we reported on this and they were saying those things, we said, everybody, everybody is at stake now.

Because, I mean, you know, if they can tie you with no connections to Russia and say, look, this is a Russian plot, and this is, and without any evidence, all of us could be, you know, swept up into this.

It was a very dangerous thing, and I'm so glad that it was overturned.

You have to, I mean, I imagine that you went on a very cheap vacation

because how much does this cost you and how are you paying for it?

Yeah, for sure.

You know,

yeah, this cost over 1 million,

probably approaching $1.5 million.

I put in as much money as I possibly could, which is, you know, well into six figures.

And then we were able to raise money on

a nonprofit called meme defensefund.com.

But I still owe money.

You know, I still owe a lot of money.

And

we're going to raise some more money, and we're going to file suit to try to recover all these legal fees with the DOJ.

So you can go to meme defensefund.com if anybody wants to go and chip in a little bit.

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This one matters to all of us.

I wish you the best, Douglas.

I'm glad to hear that this has passed from you.

And go fight them.

Now go fight them.

Turn the tables on them.

Thank you, Douglas.

Appreciate it.

You bet.

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We need your room, Stu.

Really?

Yeah, you all packed and ready to go?

Not quite.

All right, well, don't worry about it.

I'll just throw your stuff out in the lawn.

Well, I mean, I could just pack up when I'm done with the show.

Yeah, you can.

I'll just throw the suitcase out there, too.

But I can't wait.

I can just pack while I'm in the room.

No, I got a wedding party.

I got to get ready for, you know, this couple and the

proprietor of this place, a hothead.

He's a hothead.

That I believe.

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Hothead.

It's good to have you.

It's good to have you up here.

It's been great.

What a really cool area.

I've never really visited up here before.

You can see why everything shuts off.

It's like you don't care about the rest of the world.

Yeah, you know, it's funny you're saying that because we were talking about something, some back and forth on Twitter that we were being alerted of that you were, you know, tangentially involved in.

And I was just thinking to myself as I was walking around this place, I get why why you just would never care about anything like that being here.

It feels like you're just in your

totally separate from the world.

All the crazy nonsense you see on Twitter or in the news is so silly.

It all goes away the minute we were sitting in, we're in the living room the other day, and Stu's like, There's a deer at the window.

Right.

And I'm like,

that's life.

Yeah.

It was like, yeah, he's there.

He and a couple of others were there yesterday, too.

They come down and eat at this time.

I mean, it's just, it's amazing.

It's just, it's surreal.

I will say, last night, you were, you were like, we were just hanging out and we had a little bit of time open and you're like, well, you want to watch a movie?

And I have to say, I did suggest a Hitler movie.

And it was you.

It was me this time.

It was not.

We did watch Valkyrie.

That's a great one.

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What a great movie.

And a great story.

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I didn't realize we were going through this and

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And like every four minutes in the movie, it's like, oh, Glenn's like, oh, I have that document.

Oh, I have that medal.

Oh, yeah.

It's like, what is this world you live in?

No, it's not.

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I mean, so we have the document.

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Wow, you know, I'm in a meeting and I hear that there's a guy who's got a great insight on what is going on with the Epstein thing.

And they say it's Bill O'Reilly.

And I look at my staff and I said, I thought he was was dead.

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why?

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We should have him on.

So Bill O'Reilly is coming on to tell.

I don't have IMIS to kick around in any way.

That's true.

That's true.

So anyway, Bill is joining us here in just a second.

He had a conversation with President Trump about the Epstein files, and I think he has a good insight on it.

We're going to talk to Bill in just a second.

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Welcome to the program, sir.

How are you?

Don't try to give me any of this, Becks.

Don't try to give me this welcome, however, you know, and right off the bat, I have to correct you.

Yeah,

you're not alive.

What?

Christine is dead.

You don't know that?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

All right.

No,

I thought you were dead.

Anyway,

oh,

that's just another brick in your wall, Ben.

It's good to talk to you, Bill.

Tell me what you had a conversation with

President Trump of, what, a couple of months ago, and you talked about it once.

Patrick's Day.

He invited me to sit in on a cabinet meeting, which he does from time to time.

And he said, look, we got files, Kennedy, King,

Epstein, what do you think?

And I said, well, first, Kennedy got put out.

pretty much everything, which he did.

King, he didn't.

I don't know why, because that's important too.

And then on Epstein, I said, you got to be careful here because this is now being used in political precincts.

Both sides want to destroy anybody that was associated with Epstein.

And the problem is that

a federal investigation, they don't make a determination whether you had a, what kind of a relationship you had with Epstein.

They said, so-and-so had lunch with him, or maybe so-and-so

saw him at a party.

And I said, any name of a human being associated with Epstein in any way, that person is going to be destroyed.

Because, you know, the press is not going to put anything into context.

So I said, but it's very important that the Justice Department tell the folks what they know.

And you don't want to get specific with names, but you have to say, this is the information that we've compiled.

And that's not hard.

And I don't know why the Trump administration is not doing that.

Wow.

So, first of all, it's your fault that we're not getting any names.

We learn a lot.

Probably my fault, but the president.

No, no, no, you know what?

I think you're right.

I don't want all the names of the people.

I want to know.

And I don't either.

I want to know the justice, right?

I want to know the Justice Department has sorted through the things and then have

gone through and said, this is criminal.

This is not, these people are being indicted, et cetera, et cetera.

But to come out and say there is nothing there,

I mean,

it's at least

mass incompetence at least from Pambondi.

How could she come out and say, it's all sitting on my desk?

And then when she doesn't release it, she says, well, that's because the FBI in New York is thwarting this process.

There are people up there that are trying to keep this from me.

And then she makes no arrests on that.

We never hear about that again.

And now all of a sudden, there's nothing to see.

Well, listen, Pam Bonnie doesn't make decisions on her own.

No cabinet member does.

All the decisions come out of the West Wing.

So what I believe happened was Trump was so obsessed with the big bill, with Iran, with Putin, with China, that this, he didn't even think about this.

Okay?

And then it slowly began

and it slowly began to unravel and then it caught him by surprise but this is easy to fix so so easy if i'm in charge and that would be a great thing for everyone except you beck

but every other american if i were in charge tremendous you

would be in botswana no right oh i know you would be

on your way yeah but anyway i'd be the ambassador of the white farmers in in uh south africa if it were up to you.

I know.

I know.

No, you'd be wandering around going, I'm Glenn Beck.

And they'd go, who?

That's what you'd be doing.

That's every day.

This could happen within the hour.

Pam Bonnie announces a press conference for tomorrow.

At that press conference, sitting next to her is Merrick Garland, everyone.

The Attorney General under Biden, who had this stuff for four years.

Now, I understand that Mr.

Garland has gone native and is living in Anguilla, but we can find him.

We can pull him out of there and have him and Pam sit there and answer questions in a general way

about

what evidence the Justice Department of the United States has compiled.

Not going to happen.

That's it.

Well, if it's not going to happen, then President Trump is going to take a hit.

But he's calculating that this will fade.

It's not that important.

But I don't know why he won't do it.

I just don't know.

And I'm usually pretty good at predicting what the president does or does not do.

So here's the thing, Bill.

I think he keeps focusing on Epstein.

It's not that big of a deal.

It's not about Epstein.

It's about justice.

It's about can we trust the people?

Correct.

It's all about credibility and justice.

And he's not seeing that.

And I don't know how he's missing that.

Because I agree with

that.

He's been so busy on so many other things that

are not at the top of his priority list, but he did campaign on it.

Right.

And I don't know if there's anybody inside the White House

who are going to, you know, he looks to be annoyed when this subject comes up.

Oh, I know.

What works,

people have to understand, a guy like Donald Trump runs it all.

If he's annoyed, nobody's going to want to annoy him more.

Okay?

That's just how it works.

But the overarch is, because Epstein got favorable treatment by the feds in the first go-around in Florida, that there's a deep suspicion about this case.

But if you break it down, if the Biden administration had any dirt on any Republican associated with Epstein, it would have been out.

And vice versa.

If the Republicans had any dirt on any Democrats, now we know that former President Clinton was involved with Epstein to some extent.

I don't know whether that's a factor.

Okay, I don't know.

But you're right for once.

You're right.

It's about

credibility.

It's about the American people trusting that we do have equal justice for all.

So

what do you make of now the RussiGate thing coming out today or yesterday, the FISA court, the fact that they're now saying, hey, you know, we need to hold Brennan accountable.

We're like five or six

weeks away from him

slipping past the

statute of limitations.

I mean, all these things are out today.

There's that.

There is also,

let's see here, the Secret Service.

I think this happened a year ago, but it's being reported as if it's news.

Secret Service suspends six agents assigned to protect Trump during the Butler assassination attempt.

I mean, all these things are coming out like, look, we're busy on all these things.

And I do believe they're busy on these things.

But it's just,

it's like the Keystone cops are in charge of the PR on this.

It's bad.

Well, there's a lot of politics involved with both of those cases.

Number one,

in order to get Comey and Brennan to be indicted by a grand jury, federal grand jury, and that's the only passage, you'd have to have a whistleblower saying, yeah, these guys abuse their power.

I work for them,

and they absolutely wanted to get Trump, and they knew the Russia dossier was phony, and they did it anyway.

If you have that, Justice Department, then you can get those guys.

If you don't have it, they will not even be indicted by a grand jury.

So how is it we do not have that Justice Department?

Yeah, how do we not have that Justice Department?

Well, look, I don't know whether they have a whistleblower or not, okay?

And

if they have a whistleblower, I want the case to go forward.

I want those two men indicted.

You can't do that at that level.

As far as the Secret Service is concerned, monumental screw-up.

Everybody knows it.

They fired the moron who was in charge of it.

That woman, I was just embarrassed listening to her try to explain anything.

You didn't know what the deuce was going on.

But this was across the board in the Biden administration.

You know, the assassination attempt was a year ago Sunday, this upcoming Sunday.

And I...

It is just another

example of how the Biden administration was the second worst administration in the history of this country.

People have no idea how bad it was.

Every single agency was chaotic.

Nothing worked.

And this is just part of that.

And we'll have a slew of stuff on Sunday.

Nothing really meaningful.

I mean, they suspended the Secret Service agents as they should have.

They fired the director as they should have.

The guy was a nut.

I don't know if there's anything more to that.

I doubt it.

I'm more interested in the guy in the bushes because we don't know anything about him that they got before him.

I'd like to know a little bit about him.

But again, the federal government, it doesn't really matter who's president.

They never want to tell us stuff, Beck.

Never.

It's always, you got to pull it out of them.

You know, it's almost like Russia something.

Come on.

Right.

Let me ask you, let me take you back again to the Epstein thing.

I noticed yesterday there were these people

who are on the left who are taking tweets of mine that say, look, these things don't make sense on the Epstein thing and they just have to be answered and not anti-Trump at all.

And yet the anti-Trump people were retweeting that and

they're trying to get the

right to fight against

itself again and split people away from Donald Trump, where I don't think this Epstein thing is splitting people from Donald Trump, at least at this point.

And I, you know, I

my wife stopped me from answering some of those tweets yesterday because it's never good when you when you tweet in anger, which I did,

or was going to.

What do you think about how this is being used against the right to try to separate us even more?

Everything is political.

Everybody knows that now.

But the MAGA people from the mail I get, and I get a voluminous amount of mail,

they're not happy.

Oh, I agree.

I'm not happy.

Are they going to throw President Trump under the cliche-ridden bus?

No.

No.

Because

to them, the greater good is being served.

by a fair tax bill, trying to cut waste,

dealing with Iran effectively, and hopefully dealing with Putin.

That's another thing that's on

Trump's plate.

He's got to deal with Putin now, has to.

And that's going to be the next big story.

How is he going to deal with it?

Yeah, they're in Lavrov and Rubio are in Indonesia as we speak.

And I assume that Rubio is delivering a message like, this is it.

You either stop or we're going to just absolutely crush you economically, which the United States can do by saying no bank does business with Moscow.

And if you do business, no matter what bank you are, we're going to put you out of business.

Okay?

I've only got a couple of seconds, but don't didn't, but didn't we already do that under Biden?

No, we didn't do the bank.

We did the sanctions.

And the sanctions they can always get around because China is going to buy as much oil from Russia as possible.

But you stop the banks from doing all business with Moscow?

Putin's going to tap.

Is that what the Swift thing was all about?

Wasn't that what we, when we kicked him off of Swift?

Wasn't that what that was all about?

No, because he can still do in huge business

with countries buying his oil.

And they got to pay Putin and Russia for the oil.

And that has to go through the banking system.

If you stop the banking system, he can't get paid.

It's amazing.

I'm glad I'm not the president right now.

I think he has made some very brave decisions, and he is walking a tightrope.

I mean, the world is on edge.

He looks very tired to me.

He looks very tired to me.

I haven't talked to him in a while, which is unusual.

But

you're right.

You're absolutely right.

That's the second time you've been right in this conversation.

My God, what is it?

No, it's crazy.

It's crazy.

I was wrong about you being dead, but

I don't know.

It's good to talk to you, my friend.

Is everything okay?

Is everything going well?

Everything's all right, Beck.

We are phenomenally successful, but that's old news.

We've been that way for 50 years.

But I appreciate you having me on your fine program.

Stupid sounds like he's still breathing, which is a, you know, in some precincts, that's good.

Right.

Yeah.

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Welcome to the program.

It's good to talk to Bill.

You know,

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All right.

Let's see.

Jason,

what was it that you said was the biggest story

of the day?

I'm looking at how John Bryn is now coming back up in the news, especially since the CIA just recently released their tradecraft review of everything that was going on during the Obama administration.

And I don't know if you remember early, the Obama ordered the intelligence community to do an assessment, the ICA, which talked about how Russia, you know, they interfered in the 2016 election.

It went towards their narrative that, you know, President Trump was, you know, not legitimate.

And they definitely did not use the steel dossier to come to that assessment.

Definitely did not.

And John Brennan went in front of Congress and he was like, yeah, you know, that had no bearing on the ICA at all.

Well,

yeah, now this tradecraft review is pointing to other evidence, and it looks like he probably perjured himself to to Congress.

Yeah, well, they can't get him for that perjury, but they can get him for a later perjury, but they only have like five weeks to charge him.

Running out.

Or statute of limitations.

I mean,

if the statute of limitations runs out on this guy with perjury, I'm pissed.

This is Glenn Beck.

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Let's go to South America.

There's a couple of stories.

One is on our trade with Donald Trump.

It looks like Donald Trump has just put a 50% tariff on Brazil because of what they're doing to Bolsonaro and also what they did to freedom of speech and Elon Musk, et cetera, et cetera.

And I think that's a really good thing.

Brazil is way out of control when it comes to freedom of speech.

They're becoming a very, very,

dare he say it, a Hitlerian

sort of

country.

I've got some questions about that policy.

Maybe, I mean, is that how

because I agree with you?

I don't like the way that they handle their country, but is that like that?

Is that what trade policy is for?

Like, does he have the power to even do that?

Let's not go there.

You force me to say absolutely not.

Okay, got it.

I can't make that.

It's supposed to be a national defense.

He has a carve-out for a short-term tariff for national defense.

I don't know, like, Bolsonaro being persecuted.

I don't want him to be persecuted.

Yeah, I don't either, but I think what's more important on this particular case is what they were doing to freedom of speech here in America.

Well, I look they're doing to

Elon Musk.

Yeah.

Okay.

Elon Muslim.

Well, they're doing it to him in Brazil, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're not affecting him.

American citizen and American business.

Yeah.

There's a line there.

It's a squiggly line to get to that use of that power.

But I will instead move to another country.

Yeah.

Okay.

Argentina.

Yeah, I love this story.

This is a great story.

Java Mele.

Now, if you remember, he came into power.

He said, I'm going to do all these cuts.

I'm going to, you know, he's kind of...

talked about as a libertarian and there's certainly many similarities.

I don't think he's doing libertarian stuff though.

Well, I think he's,

but he's not.

It's easy to do.

He's not a way to fully, yeah, he's not full-blown like, I'm libertarian.

We're getting rid of of everything.

He said that in the campaign.

He hasn't been able to implement all of that stuff, but he's implemented a good amount of it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's in the right direction.

Yes.

Oh, absolutely.

He's squarely in the common sense zone.

Yes.

And

that was not what

we were told when he was put into office and elected that this is going to be a catastrophe.

Of course.

They said he would inflect further economic devastation.

Social chaos would come.

A group of over 100 leading economists warned

they said

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Good.

They said, again, I'm not kidding.

And they went through all the things that this is going to ruin everybody's life, right?

So what has happened so far?

Kind of interesting, the outcome here.

Argentina's economy now growing.

At 7.7%

according to the latest year-over-year data.

Hang on, hang on, just a second.

7.7%.

Do you know what America would look like at an annual growth rate of 7%?

I don't think that's happened since maybe the 1950s and late 40s.

An economy our size would probably be tougher to get to 7.7%, but still it would be.

How about four?

Four, five would be nice.

I mean, five would be crazy.

They are.

And I bet you you could in today's world.

I bet the United States could do 7%.

It's possible, depending on.

I mean, if you really, if you said, if you got serious about, you got serious about all the things he's serious about, we're cutting the spending, we're cutting all of it, we're just, we're cutting all of the red tape, everything, it's just gone.

Common sense, you do the right thing, we're going to stay out of your way.

And the economy would explode, absolutely explode.

It's really fascinating.

And if you throw in

hopefully the United States leading the world in something like AI, those numbers might become more rational pretty quickly, honestly.

But did you see the thing?

You didn't watch all of it.

So the Grok thing with Elon Musk, he did a, Grok has this business section where you can, you can say, hey, this is the business I'm in, yada, yada, yada.

And

so the people that were running that said, let's try vending machines.

How can we

How can we tweak, I was sorry, I was so sleepy last night.

I kept waking up and going back to sleep watching it.

But they were like, how can we get the vending machine business to turbo?

And the line was almost straight up.

I mean, it's a vending machine business.

It can look at any business that you're in right now and say, what can I do to turbo this?

And it will lay out a plan for you.

And they ran it through several scenarios.

And it was like the vending machine business became like, you know, the golden goose.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

So Malay eliminated rent controls in Buenos Aires.

Oh, well, there's trouble.

Now nobody can afford anything.

No one can afford rent.

Like this is the, right now, this debate is happening in New York City, in our largest city, in the financial center of the world.

We are in a debate as to whether we could have rent control in the city.

And the argument is it's too expensive.

The prices are too high.

And that was the same argument.

In Argentina.

Well, they did eliminate rent controls, and the apartment market was flooded with new properties.

The average real price, though, went up, right?

No, it actually went down.

He turned a budget deficit into a surplus in his first full year in office.

He eliminated half of the country's cabinet departments.

And, like, that's what you're talking about.

Like, did he go all the way to his full libertarian vision?

He probably wants 80 or 90% of them gone, and he only did half, but that's much more significant than, like,

what we see when we're told we're doing hateful conservative bills.

we just had a giant one pass.

What did it do?

It kept the tax rates at the same level that they currently were.

That was our big, crazy idea.

I know.

And then it reduced the spending over 10 years of the future increases

of certain parts of Medicaid and asked people, hey, if you're completely able-bodied and within a normal working range age and also don't have small children, can you work part-time?

Whoa!

I mean,

crazy.

Malay took office in December 2023.

Inflation was 25%

per month.

Oh, my God.

Can you imagine being in that scenario?

This is how this guy got elected.

Normally, countries are like, I don't want to even try those crazy things, but when you're at 25% a month, you're going to try anything almost.

Well, May,

it was 1.5% per month.

So he's gone from 25% to 1.5% in that period.

There was, and this was very widely covered, a spike in the poverty rate at the very beginning of this

policy.

And

this is going to be a disaster, right?

It has been falling since the second half of last year, is now lower than when Millay took office as president.

I mean, everything about this,

you know, you look at the rates

of

inflation.

The

employment rates are are starting to correct.

Again, it took a bump at the beginning and went the other direction, but everything's turning around.

This has been an incredible success, and it should

maybe

give a little more confidence to Americans and other countries around the world to say, hey, maybe we should try some of these market-based policies.

I know they kind of fell out of favor there for a minute.

I'm not exactly sure why.

And even on the right

questions on them all the time.

Because nobody does anything dramatic enough to really make dramatic changes.

You know, that was one of my big, like, big issues with the BBB, if you will.

It's like there was nothing aspirational in it.

Correct.

There was a lot of good in it.

Yes.

But most of the good was reversing previous bad

by Joe Biden, for example.

There was nothing in there like, wow.

We're going to the moon and we're putting a man back on Earth within 10 years.

There was nothing like, we are going to, even Trump's first tax bill, I think you can argue the business tax rates were sort of like that.

Like they were like, whoa, we're cutting it to what?

Like,

that was a big change, right?

Like that was an aspirational policy, even though maybe it was not as far as I would have gone.

But like this one was really just, hey, let's keep the status quo on these lower rates and, you know, we'll reverse a lot of the crap that Biden was doing, which is great and needed to be done.

So a lot of that was good.

But, you know, I feel like we need

some of this in our lives.

We need a little bit of this aspirational stuff on the right when it comes to free markets again.

And I think that some of that's been lost.

I don't see that person on the horizon, though, here in America.

Do you?

I don't think J.D.

Vance is that person.

No,

he's certainly not a market ideologist.

Right.

And Donald Trump is very good on the economy, but he's not a big cutter.

He's let's grow the economy.

He's not a big cutter.

We need somebody like Javier Millay that will just come in and say, yeah, I don't care.

We're just cutting it.

Now, I don't know if we're ever going to get there until we're, unfortunately, in the 25% per month inflation.

But we've talked about stuff.

This country most likely would go right right towards communism.

Yes, probably.

At least Argentina has already dealt with that, and they know what that brings.

And that's a big, big issue.

Like, usually, when you have these stressful moments within an economy, a lot of times governments step in and say, well, you need to give us more power.

And a lot of countries fall for that.

You'd think that the traditions here in the United States would prevent that here, but

maybe not.

And you're right, Argentina did.

They needed to fall for it and completely fail falling for it to attempt this.

Now they've attempted it and things are much, much better for the people.

What's his popularity at?

Do you know?

Yeah, actually, I have a chart on that.

I'm going to cover this in more depth on Studios America tonight, if you're interested in this particular topic.

But his approval rating really is just basically held flat, which is kind of fascinating.

He's around 45%, like any normal...

you know, president.

He hasn't really had a big...

I mean, his disapprovals come down a little bit.

How is that possible?

I know.

I mean, the results have been fantastic so far.

I mean, even even I would say exceeding my expectations.

I was a little worried about the Malay thing because it was being promoted as this, you know, libertarian utopia.

And if it didn't work, there would be a message sent the opposite way.

You know, if he messed it up somehow or whatever, you know, would people ever try?

What is the press saying about him to keep his approval rating that low with an economy like that?

And it's not even, I wouldn't say it's low, it's been flat, but but that is still, it should be up.

It should be up.

He should be looking at 65, 70% approval ratings right now.

And we've seen some of that like with Bukele and he's not doing the same types of policies, but he's done other policies that have really changed the society.

And he's seen massive increase in his popularity in El Salvador.

We're not seeing that so far with Malay.

You know, you think that if this lasts and it feels like for a long time, it's not a temporary bump, but instead a long-term trend, maybe that changes.

But that's, you're right, surprising it's not going through the roof at this point.

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Biden's doctor was up on Capitol Hill yesterday, and he was asked all kinds of questions, and he just kept pleading the fifth.

Now, you could say, well, he's a doctor.

He has a reason to plead the fifth.

He doesn't want to violate doctor or client privilege.

Except he was asked certain questions that you're pleading the fifth?

Try this one.

Cut 25, please.

Dr.

O'Connor,

were you ever told to lie about the president's health?

The advisory of counsel, I must respectfully decline to answer based upon physician patient privilege and in reliance on my right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

I am not a lawyer.

I must follow my lawyer's advice in this matter.

Were you ever asked to lie?

There's no violation of

doctor client privilege here.

We're not asking about his health or his records.

We're asking, were you ever told to lie?

Were you ever asked to lie?

I plead the fifth.

Yeah, because you don't want to incriminate yourself.

That's why.

And you don't want to lie under oath because someday maybe in some, you know, utopian America, people would be held accountable for lying under oath.

I find this amazing.

Now, here he is on the threat of sanction.

Listen to this cut 26.

If the witness continues to refuse to answer a question despite being ordered to do so, the witness may be subject to sanction.

Do you understand?

If I say counsel, I must respectfully decline to answer in reliance on my right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

I'm not a lawyer, and I must follow my lawyer's advice in this matter.

Well rehearsed.

Now, there is a situation where they, I mean, I've heard people talk about this.

I'm not no legal expert, but you open up to one question.

You open up one, you're kind of open up to answer others.

So you basically have to say that to everything they ask you.

Is that accurate?

Yeah.

Yeah, but I still

so, yeah, still so slimy.

Still so slimy.

All you have to say is, I'm not going to, you don't have to plead the fifth.

I am not going to violate my patient client, my, my patient doctor privilege.

Not going to do it.

No, I took an oath.

I will not talk to you about his health records.

No.

You don't need the fifth for that.

You have the Hippocratic oath.

You're a doctor.

No, I'm not going to do that.

Go to jail for that.

Not questions on were anybody asking you to lie?

No, no, no, no.

I mean, this just shows you don't need the Fifth Amendment to say, Dr.

Klein.

Now, they might put you in jail because, no, you have to answer.

Well, I'm not going to, but everyone would be for you as a doctor if you held that line.

I would be for him.

I mean,

I would not like it, but I would be like, he can't answer that question.

But, you know, and the insinuation here, which I think is probably accurate, is

doctor, you know, patient privilege does not get you out of, did you lie about his condition?

Exactly right.

Like, it does not get you out of the important questions, really.

Exactly right.

Do we know anything?

What did you know about

his health conditions that maybe you didn't share?

I'm not going to answer that question.

Doctor patient privilege?

No.

Was he sick longer?

I'm not answering that question.

Were you ever asked to lie?

Okay, I'm going to answer that question.

Yeah, right.

They should be able to do that.

I mean, absolutely, he can do that.

And it would have made him much more sympathetic.

Yes.

Because I think everybody, nobody wants anybody else talking about what they talk to their doctor about.

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Hello, America.

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Hello.

We have a guy who has just written a book.

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He's written a book about...

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That just happened, right?

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which is a must-read, and IBM and the Holocaust, which is a must-read as well, especially since IBM now is making some of the leading AI for doctors.

Let's go to Edwin Black.

Hi, Edwin.

How are you?

Good morning, Glenn.

How are you?

I'm great.

So the first thing that went through my mind when I saw this come out, I thought, okay, how could you possibly write a book about the bombing of Israel, about the bombing of Iran, this quickly?

Now I know the answer.

Tell the answer.

Okay.

Well, first of all, Glenn, I always knew that Israel would attack Iran and that America would help out.

I've been tracking the progress of the Iranian nuclear enterprise day by day for about 20 years.

I actually wrote most of the text about two years ago when I thought the attack was imminent.

And I've been waiting for the last chapter to be written.

And when finally Operation Rising Lion and Operation Midnight Hammer put an end to Iran's nuclear ambitions, which, by the way, would have doomed humanity to mushroom clouds.

When finally that happened, I went to work.

I worked with a great team, my publishers and my

channels.

I'm sure you know what the channel challenge is.

They all cooperated at the executive level.

And here we are.

You're the first to be told.

And the book has just released in 190 countries in 12 different editions: audio, electronic, paperback, and hardback.

That's great.

You know, I know, because I know your research is so solid, and I know how thorough you are,

you go in in the book and you talk about this warhead.

And something that most people don't know, we have been training for this exact operation for about 15 years.

I mean,

we built a model in the ground.

I think it was in White Sands, wasn't it?

A model of this particular facility to try this bomb out years ago to see exactly how far it could penetrate.

Can you tell a little bit of that story?

That's right.

I was actually the first one some years ago to reveal the existence in an article that I wrote of the massive ordnance

penetrator.

And

I revealed this 30,000 pound never before tried bomb, which was basically dependent upon an incredibly hard shell coming down at an incredibly fast rate of speed.

So it would penetrate and then wait until it penetrated hundreds of feet below the earth and then finally detonate this extraordinary

explosive.

And there was one and then basically basically two guys in the Department of the Defense

who were in on the development of the MOP.

And for 15 years, approximately, they studied every satellite image of the Ford O facility that you've made reference to, where they had thousands of these centrifuges.

They studied every night the changes, the ground, the weather.

they made a test replica, and they finally went down in the ventilation shaft.

So that was unobstructed.

And then the force of the overpressure and the fire just destroyed everything.

Yeah, the ventilation shaft, I mean, you know, that's right out of the movie, the second Top Gun in so many ways.

And I was told this bomb was so accurate and had many fail-safes.

If you were jammed, if the GPS was jammed or whatever, it could still operate.

And it could target from 50,000 feet.

It could hit the center of a Coke can if that was the target.

It was that accurate.

Well, that's exactly the first test was actually against a red flag that was no bigger than a t-shirt and it was dropped from 55,000 feet.

There's only three airplanes that can carry this.

That's the the B two,

the B two bomber, the B fifty two, and of course now the new

the new B forty one, which is the Raider.

There are very few of those.

There were many, many

options that Israel had, some of which I can't reveal.

There were many secret weapons that Israel had, which were extraordinary, which have not been used.

And I think, Glenn, this will not be the last kinetic action that we see in Iran

because

they have made it clear they're going to continue to

find a way to reconstitute their program.

And so, yes,

the program was obliterated, but it can be unobliterated by an apocalyptic Shia regime that believes it is destined to bring in the apocalypse and paradise by exterminating the Jews of Israel.

And of course, if one of these did get through and they were only two weeks away,

and my book, Israel Strikes Iran, makes this very clear.

If one of these would have gotten through Israel

strike capability by air,

by land, and by sea.

Let me ask you, you say it was obliterated.

How do we know it was obliterated and not just set back

a few months?

How do we know that it was obliterated and nothing was moved in the last minute?

Well,

a lot of people have seen

there are

400 kilograms, about 881 pounds, of highly enriched 60% uranium.

60%

is high, but to make a nuclear device, you need

90%.

The centrifuges that are involved in enriching those molecules, basically they work like a washer dryer, they spit off the

isotopes, those have been destroyed.

The manufacturing location

that made those IR6 centrifuges has been destroyed.

In addition,

these systems are so difficult and so sensitive, if you just push one,

you'll throw it off tilter, and they have to be serviced on a regular basis, calibrated and serviced.

Now, both things are true.

It was obliterated.

And if you have

a theocratic regime that is intent

on

subjecting its own population to devastating sanctions for years and becoming a rogue

theocracy, they can start it up again.

But you can track these molecules.

You can track them with drones.

You can track them with trucks.

They don't need to hide

these systems

underground.

And they're already studying a location at Pickaxe Mountain.

They can put them in barns and they can put them in oil tankers.

They can put them in Yemen.

So the only way to really know that we've stopped the Iranian nuclear ambition is regime change.

Now that was not done because the powers to be, both in Israel and Washington, did not want to decapitate

a head of state.

It's going to be up to the people of Iran to make that happen.

But already, 700 people have been arrested, seven have been

executed, people are being stopped on the street,

they're afraid to their phones are being seized, so they're afraid to leave home with their phone, and they're clamping down.

I think that we're going to see more kinetic action in the coming days.

You can mark my words because the Iranian regime doesn't know how to say no.

Well, you think this will be American action or Israeli action?

Once again, it'll be Israeli action, but there may be an American assist.

Remember, when you say Israeli action, Israel is using

millions of dollars worth of American weaponry.

So we are providing the weapons.

They are making many of their own, but we are providing them.

Let me switch topics here first.

Biden didn't.

And Biden didn't.

And Biden blackmailed Israel from the moment of October 7th and actually held up the minesweepers, the 2,000-pound bombs,

and the helicopters that Israel needed.

So we are definitely behind Israel here.

You are the guy who, you were on a show, I don't know, a few years ago, and you talked to me about, I think it was a six or seven stages to,

you know, a Holocaust.

And we were traveling down that road pretty quickly.

We still had some significant things we had to pass.

But as I watch what's happening with Islamicism over in Europe, and I see what's coming over here in America, what's on our own streets, I am really concerned about

Islam,

and I should make sure I'm saying it right.

Islamists, the people that want Sharia law, which seem to be

in massive numbers now, at least in Europe.

Well, you've made the correct distinction.

It's not Islam.

It's Islamism, because remember,

there are more Indians,

excuse me, there are more Muslims in India, which is very friendly to Israel, and of course the Gulf states that are very friendly with Israel.

But it's the Islamists, and these are the people you are referring to, the radicals.

And yes, these are the people who, I'm afraid you're terribly right, have overtaken the capitals of Europe, and more than that, they've overtaken the English-speaking world outside of the United States.

And I refer now to Canada.

I referred to

Ireland.

I referred to Australia, to Great Britain, to

South Africa.

And I believe that what you fear will break out closest to home, first in Canada,

before it actually filters into our country as well.

But I can tell you, it's coming into our country.

And

we have not had a serious conversation about what we should do.

Edwin Black from the Edwin Black Show, it's a podcast you can hear.

He is the author of IBM and the Holocaust and Faroud, which you really need to read, and the new one,

Israel Strikes Again, or Strikes Iran, the backstory behind Israel's Operation Rising Lion.

It's Israel Strikes Iran.

Make sure you pick it up.

It's available in all formats as of yesterday.

Or no, it releases, I think, today.

So make sure you get it.

Edwin, as always, my friend, good to talk to you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Glenn.

I hope to see you soon.

You got it.

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I have probably more respect for Edwin Black than any other historian alive today.

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Interesting too, Glenn, in the middle of

all of this, there's some chaos in the world.

There's some

economic uncertainties,

all of the spending going on, all of this.

Bitcoin is at an all-time high.

What a surprise.

It's interesting, isn't it?

Yeah, 112,000.

It hit 112,000 yesterday.

Let's see if I can find out what the actual number is today.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Currently it is.

And

there's been a lot of pro-Bitcoin stuff happening in the world.

I'm surprised it's not higher.

Yeah, 111,000 currently.

Did peak at a little bit over $112.

I mean, a little bit higher.

I mean, it's incredible.

This is the thing that people, you know, there was a site early on in the Bitcoin days.

It was called, I think, the Bitcoin Faucet or something.

And what you had to do to work with the site was you would put

your email address in there, and then they would send you like five Bitcoin.

What?

That was the end of the entire site.

It was like someone's idea, like, hey, this would be interesting to get people started on this.

And all you had to do is go to the site, put your email in, and then they would just email you five Bitcoins.

Oh, my gosh.

And now those would be worth over half a million dollars, which would be nice.

It's like, and it's like one of those sites that's like the one of those night, you know,

early internet sites that just text and look at a bad graphic.

Oh, my gosh.

And every every once in a while, someone posts it and it's just like, oh my gosh.

Yeah.

It was five Bitcoins to every visitor who

passed a CAPTCHA.

Like you had to put the so they couldn't bot the site.

You had to actually type in the letters, you know?

Did we not know about this thing?

I don't know.

It was 2010, by the way.

Yeah, we were talking about Bitcoin in 2010, you weasel.

Why didn't you just...

What else didn't you know at the time?

What else are you keeping from them?

The American people's due?

I didn't know anything about the coming COVID epidemic or pandemic.

I didn't know anything about this Iran attack we were just talking about.

I didn't know about a lot of things.

Wow.

Why do we have you on the show again?

I should be able to predict these things, I suppose.

Yeah.

All right.

We'll be back.

We've got a lot more to cover in a very short period of time.

Also, Jason Buttrell is with us.

He is our head researcher.

And

he's got some things he's passionate about as well that is in the news.

We continue in just a moment.

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Who's with us now?

And he was just saying that there's a new ruling coming out.

Another judge has made another ruling.

Jason, are you there still?

Yeah, this isn't just...

I don't really know what to say on this because it's a meme at this point, how

the federal courts are now usurping basically all powers of the state at will.

It's literally a meme.

But I thought that they couldn't do national injunctions in this way anymore.

But now it's only the Supreme Court.

Only the Supreme Court said they can't do that.

But it was just the Supreme Court.

Just the Supreme Court.

So now another federal judge, breaking news, has just blocked Trump's birthright citizenship ban again,

which this was what the case was about.

This was what it was about.

This was what caused the massive fight and really exposed Jackson's buffoonery for everyone to see.

It was amazing.

Supreme Court Justin Jackson Brown is probably one of my favorite Supreme Court justices.

She just

a lyricist like nobody else.

She is, honestly, dumb as a box of rocks.

And that's saying something, you know?

I have respect for rocks, but she is dumb as a box of rocks.

And even, you know, even Sodomiora.

Yeah.

coming out and going like,

you obviously don't know how the law works.

There are times where events occur in your life that shake your understanding of everything that's around you.

And the fact that Sonia Sodomayor might not be the dumbest Supreme Court justice is hard to believe.

It's shaking my entire court.

It is.

It is.

I mean, it's really been one of the central things I foundationally have believed for.

That Sodomiora is the dumbest Supreme Court justice ever.

Ever.

And Katanji Brown.

she's like slap, Sodomayor is slapping down Katanji Brown Jackson.

I'm going to say Jackson Brown, too.

Yeah, it's good.

It's good.

Katanji Jackson Brown.

Yeah, yeah.

I just like to call her Jackson Brown.

Okay.

Supreme Court Justice Jackson Brown.

But anyway,

she really is slapping her down.

You don't understand how the law works.

For a Supreme Court justice to say that to for the two dumbest Supreme Court justices ever to get into a slapdown on

you're too stupid to be a Supreme Court justice is remarkable.

Remarkable.

I mean, I don't know if you saw, do I have these, some of the comments from

Jackson?

I have Jackson Brown, you have them?

Yeah, this is from Soda Mayor.

She says,

I agree with Justice Jackson that the president cannot restructure federal agencies in a manner inconsistent with congressional mandates.

Here, however, the relevant executive order directs agencies to plan reorganizations and reductions in force consistent with applicable law.

The plans themselves are not before this court.

And, like, you know, you see what she's been saying, you know, and it makes sense when you kind of think of like, how could she miss something like this?

She doesn't care.

She doesn't care.

In fact, she says she's just, she thinks that her job is to express her feelings.

Yeah.

Jackson turned to the writing of Scott's opinion, saying that she feels she's, quote, been privileged to use the writings that she does, the work that she does, does, to explain her views about the way the government does and should work,

the way the court does and should work.

It's through this process, the Biden appointee noted, that she's able to tell the American people how she feels about any given case and its outcome.

I think the nice part about being on the court is that you have the opportunity, whether you're in the majority or the dissent, to express your opinions.

And I just feel that I have a wonderful opportunity to tell people, in my opinions, how I feel about the issues.

And that's what I try to do.

Who cares?

That's not your job.

Who cares?

Your job is not to tell people how you feel about issues.

No, that's that's you know what?

That's a job for a podcaster.

Do you

ready for did you see the word count of all Supreme Court justices in their first eight cases?

No, no, okay.

Listen to this: Jackson Brown, number one,

11,083 words, okay, in her first eight cases.

Amy Coney Barrett, Barrett, 4,000 in number two.

So she had 4,475 words.

Jackson Brown had 11,000 words.

Okay.

Sonia Sotomayor, 4,409.

Elena Kagan, 4,025.

John Roberts, 3,469.

Neil Gorsuch, 2,657.

Brent Kavanaugh, 385.

Now

we're down to Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas.

We've gone from 11,000 words to now 2,300 words.

Samuel Alito, 883.

Clarence Thomas, 96.

I mean, surprise me.

I mean,

at least be there for a while.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, exactly.

Jeez.

And if you, look, even if you're going to talk a lot, I'm fine if you're saying things that are intelligent and coherent and applicable to your job.

Your job is to

judge

what the law says, what the Constitution says, not what your feelings are about issues of the way the government should operate.

You want to tell me your feelings on the new Superman movie?

I'm cool with that.

You want to tell me your feelings about how the Constitution works or shouldn't work or should work?

No.

No.

tell me what it says.

I don't care about your feelings on anything else.

Nothing else.

No.

By the way, we got to get into the Superman thing, but I just want to take this one step further.

So what is this going to do,

Jason?

This federal judge has made this ruling.

What's going to happen?

Anything?

Well, I mean, it's going to immediately get an appeal by the Trump administration because all they have to do is go, wait a minute, the Supreme Court said this.

You actually have to follow what we said.

You remember when,

like, you, there actually used to be institutions in this country where it was like feared, you know, like Supreme Court would issue something, okay, well, whoa, whoa, like, we have now we have to do what they said, or let's say a congressional hearing.

Remember that?

Remember the movies back in the day were like, sir, do you really want to risk a congressional hearing?

And there'd be dramatic music, boom, boom, boom.

Well, no, I don't.

Now it's a joke.

It's an absolute joke.

All of it.

All of it is is a joke.

All of it is a joke.

And here's what we were talking earlier about Grok 4.

Grok 4 just came out last night.

A little terrifying.

You should watch

the most awkward press conference of all time.

As Stu rightfully pointed out, Elon Musk, for the very first time,

was the least awkward person in the world and in the room.

He was with like four other guys and all of them more awkward than he was.

And he was trying to to jump in like okay nerds let me explain let me explain this um but what they have built at grok is in his own words twice terrifying um it is we are on the verge of a gi artificial general intelligence it is now at 16 general intelligence um that's up from eight percent i think last year a year and a half from now and that's not a that's that's that that line goes at to a point straight up it's uh it's not a linear line um it it's exponential growth um and we he believes we are by christmas going to see grok inventing um pharmaceuticals alloys chemical compounds

that

We don't even understand at this point.

By Christmas.

And then then Stu brought something up as we're talking about society not caring about anything.

Look at where the police are.

The police, nobody wants to be a police officer anymore.

You want to be a police officer?

Do you want to be an ICE agent?

Who grows up and says, I want to be an ICE agent?

I mean, a lot of people used to do that.

Correct.

But at least when you become an adult and you realize how police are treated,

I can't imagine

a lot of people want to do that these days.

Okay, so

you're not paying them.

You can't pay them enough.

And as society becomes more more and more unruly

what happens you need more and more police okay well you're not getting more and more police which means society gets more and more out of hand

Stu brought up something that Elon Musk said he said soon

is that was that his or like now as soon as as soon as Optimus comes out his robot yeah he was basically saying what we need to

what needs to come next is Grok essentially interacting with the physical world.

So it's not just a bunch of text on your screen, right?

It's doing things in your life in the real world.

And he said the way that happens is with Optimus, his robot.

Like you have Grok essentially, you're asking a task to Grok and Grok is inside this robot and it knows how to do these things, where to move.

You know, if you're asking a question about, you know, It's hard to know exactly how this would be applied, but if you're asking a question about how to fix something, right?

You know, I did this with one of the AI things the other day.

I took a picture of this, you know, internal thing on a gate that I have, and I had to like, I didn't know how to extend the antenna.

So I put it into the system and it's like, hey, do this, do this, do this, do this, and it should work.

This would actually, you do the same thing, except Grok goes out there, opens up the panel, takes the photo, asks it how to fix it, it tells itself how to fix it, and then puts the antenna where it's supposed to be and strings the wiring and all that stuff itself.

Like in theory, this could be the future and where this all goes.

I mean, this is, I mean, it's exciting too, because

finally, I'll have somebody that can fix the TV.

Right.

TV won't go on.

Grok.

And then Optimus comes in and he just grabs the remote and turns it on the right way.

And you're like, thank you.

Thank you, Grok.

I VJ.

I don't know what I'm doing.

There is a shot, though, like that this could apply to something like police work.

That's what we were talking about earlier.

Think about how badly things are going out of control.

Think now, right now, what you have heard from just this week, the left wanting to get more violent.

You have

Democrat

elected officials saying they're now afraid of their own constituents because they're calling for their blood.

Hakeem Jeffries, they're actually going to primary him because he's not extremist enough.

You look at what's happening happening on the streets with Hamas and everything else, and you look how our cities are breaking down.

They start putting,

they start doing riots in the streets and everything else, and you don't have policemen.

I warn you, optimists is coming, and people will beg for it.

They'll beg for it.

I want optimus.

I can't get a police officer to do anything.

At least these guys will stop it.

And boy, they will.

I mean,

we are so close to a dystopian world

i mean is it dystopian though i mean look people already obviously love the idea of using robots for disarming a bomb for example dangerous work that you don't want to risk a life doing well i mean the same argument is going to be made for putting sentient beings

are different than the robot dog that goes out for the bomb

I mean, clearly, yes, there is a difference.

Is it a difference that makes the American people believe it's dystopian?

I don't know.

I think

the initial reaction is.

Hang on just a second.

Hang on just a second.

I believe we'll beg for it.

I think we'll welcome it, but it is dystopian.

It certainly feels like it ends that way.

No?

It feels like it ends in dystopian horror.

Seeing that Elon Musk himself, while unveiling it yesterday, called it terrifying twice.

Twice.

I'm watching this thing.

And he's like, frankly, you know, he shows shows his results up on the screens and he's like, frankly, we don't know how that even is happening.

And

it's actually quite terrifying.

And then just sits there for a second.

And then he goes, so.

So.

Yeah.

What else?

It's fascinating.

And you don't see it in other industries.

It's like Taco Bell is not like, yeah, we've got the new grilled cheese chalupa.

I mean, it tastes great, but it's terrifying me, frankly.

I have no idea what the effects are going to be in this country.

I mean, or your bowels.

I mean, it's

expect that from nuclear scientists.

Yeah.

You know what?

We've just built a new source of energy

and it could blow up the whole world or it could provide energy endless supplies.

We're not sure.

Quite frankly, it's terrifying because we don't know how it works.

That's right.

You wouldn't pursue that.

No, you don't see it.

I mean, it's like we've got this new scent of Febreze.

It's autumn flowers.

It might,

It's great, but it might kill all your pets.

I'm not sure.

We don't go any directions.

We don't know how it works.

It could be contagious.

We don't know exactly how it operates.

It smells great.

It smells great, but it could bring the plague upon us.

We're not sure.

Yeah.

Let's check it out and see what happens.

Yeah, it's terrifying, but we're making more of it.

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And this is what the poll shows.

In fourth place in the primary, Joaquin Castro.

Ugh,

be a total bore if the candidate was Joaquin Castro.

Third place, also at 13%.

Beto O'Rourke.

Another Beto O'Rourke run.

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Colin Alred, the guy who ran last time against Ted Cruz.

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