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Yesterday we told you that the Epstein videotape was out.

And you could see that

they had put a

video on the door.

And

okay, good.

I accept that.

Today, we find out that they edited the videotape and didn't tell anybody.

They just found out because there was a time stamp jump of

about a minute, just over a minute.

Now, I don't think that somebody was waiting right off the camera.

Came in, and in a minute, opened the door, went in, killed him, rushed out, closed the door, locked it back up, and was out of the camera.

Did it in a minute.

I had that minute.

I don't believe that.

But why on God's green earth would you edit a videotape where you're trying to prove to everybody that it's all on the up and up?

Why would you do that?

Now,

yesterday, I didn't call for anybody's firing, but I think Pam Bondi needs to be fired.

Now, because she's covering anything up, I frankly don't know if anyone is covering anything up.

What I do know is this is the worst rollout of information I have ever seen in my life.

You roll out an edited tape.

All you had to do is say, by the way, there is

one minute that is missing from the tape.

It was a jump at the very last.

You don't let people find that out by going and looking at the timestamp the whole time.

What is wrong with you people?

Honestly, what is wrong with you people?

Now, I want to start with just a quick definition, check here.

There is a difference between a theory and a conclusion.

A theory is something that we have when we're trying to fill in the blanks.

We don't have all the facts.

A conclusion is what we reach when the facts are sitting right in front of us.

A conclusion requires some courage.

Now,

last night I was going through some of this stuff and I did a tweet thread on the evidence,

just the evidence collected, okay?

And you look at the evidence list, not the headlines, not the spin, look

at the list of stuff that was collected.

And

it just doesn't read like a man who is living a double life.

You know what I mean?

It reads like a logistics, a logistics log for an enterprise.

That's what it looks like, a system, something built to last, something built to be controlled, and most of all, something built to be protected.

Now let's take this slowly because I want to build a case here for you.

If we are to hold on to even the faintest glimmer of hope of justice, then we need to be able to think and we need to be able to ask questions that demand answers, not comfort, actual answers.

So, let me start with a simple one.

Does a single guy need dozens of hard drives, multiple servers, cloud backups, and hundreds of CDs and USB sticks, many of them, most of them, labeled, categorized, and stored with care?

Who needs that?

For their house, for their house.

Now,

it's not normal it's not accidental

it's very very deliberate but what does it mean well we'd have to know what's stored on them

okay well let's look at what how they're at least labeled because we can't see what's stored on them but let's look at how they were labeled nude girl pics

photo albums of girls with Epstein, folders marked with names.

Then they had surveillance videos, audio tapes, handwritten notes, even trip logs and boat schedules.

Now think,

when you go out on the boat with somebody, why do you log who's on the boat with you at all times and keep a meticulous log?

I mean,

it's almost done with the German efficiency of the 1930s and 40s.

Why do you, why do you, I mean, unless you intend on proving, track, or recall who was on the boat, who was on the plane, who was in the house at all times, and you need to know where they were and when they were there.

I mean, does that sound like a guy who is acting just himself and was only, you know, I keep these logs because,

well, I'm didddling with little girls and I need to know who was in the house.

Why?

Why?

So here's the next question.

Photos of Epstein with girls.

Now, I don't know if it's just me, but let's say I just have a whole bunch of pictures of me with cats.

I don't label it myself

photos of cats with Beck.

Now, maybe somebody I work with would,

but I don't.

So

labeling it that is a little weird, but more importantly, who took the photos?

Is he Stretch Armstrong?

Was he diddling with little girls and then his arm could stretch way out and take photos of the two of them having sex?

Who took the photos?

Who categorized?

Who labeled the albums?

Who maintained the backups?

Who digitized the files?

Who operated the surveillance systems?

Because all of that that is listed too servers camera systems remote video feeds that doesn't happen by accident and certainly one guy doesn't do it

that takes staff it takes technicians it takes somebody who knew something and did nothing

here's another detail buried in the list a foreign passport with epstein's photograph Large stashes of cash, massage tables, sex toys, not one, multiple, different locations.

Now, is this the profile of a disturbed individual?

Yeah, it is.

It is.

But is it only that?

Or does it sound more like a system?

Something engineered to be efficient, repeatable, and survivable?

A system of redundancy, with documentation, with contingency?

Why the backups?

If I have all of these things on all of these servers,

why do I have to have backups of all of those servers?

Why the surveillance?

I mean, generally you don't surveil yourself.

You surveil guests, associates, clients.

Now, here's an uncomfortable thought.

What if those devices hold proof of others involved?

See, the only thing that is more disturbing than, you know, know what's in the evidence list and what has is what really hasn't happened with the evidence list.

It's been years,

no one else is indicted.

We're supposed to believe it's only those two.

That's it.

That's it.

It doesn't seem to be like there's a lack of evidence here.

It seems like there's a lack of will.

Now,

I'm going to ask you another question.

If

we found, let's say, a pastor in Omaha, Nebraska, or a tech worker in Ohio, or a factory foreman in

rural Alabama,

do you think

all of this would be proceeding exactly the way it's being proceeded with

with Epstein?

Or do you think we would know every name, every detail, every photo that didn't include a kid?

We would be asked and asking and answered the questions of who took the photos?

Why did he have this surveillance?

Wouldn't we know all of it?

But with Epstein, we don't know anything.

And we're told, you know, maybe he was alone.

That's the official line now, but is that logical?

One man.

orchestrated decades of abuse, maintained detailed records, employed countless staff, trafficked in minors, flew dozens of people in and out of his island where he was personally just trafficking these children for himself.

And no one knew, no one participated, no one enabled it.

Hmm.

Okay.

I want you to listen carefully because

there is a line in the sand.

And to me, this is very personal, and I'll explain why.

But there is a line in the sand, and it's right in front of us.

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Oh my gosh, I just thought of something.

Oh my gosh, I forgot.

Epstein was working for the Mossad, and that's why I don't have a problem with all of this, even though I have a huge problem with all of this and are saying it every day.

Because he's a Jew.

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Okay,

I don't want to speculate anymore.

The problem is speculation, but I have to ask questions.

And I want to make it very clear.

I don't care if he was a Mossad agent.

I don't care if he was a CIA asset.

I don't care if he was just a common man that just flew too close to the sun.

I don't care if he killed himself or he was murdered or he spontaneously combusted.

None of that is the point, at least not yet.

What does matter is the truth.

Not my truth, not your truth.

Not the curated, sanitized, spoon fed to us by committees and cable news truth.

The truth.

There comes a time where there is a line in the sand and you have to start saying, I don't care what the truth is.

I just want it.

When a society loses its grip on reality and the facts, when facts become optional and the narrative becomes the currency, trust dies.

I don't know.

I don't even think it's in the hospital.

I think trust is on the way to the coroner now in America because this matters because if there is no trust, there is no nation.

There is no justice, there is no we the people, it's all over.

It's just power and

those just desperate enough to hold on to it.

And those of us who will just accept whatever is spoon-fed to us one way or another.

I want you to understand, everything that I'm saying today is really not about Epstein.

He is just the symptom.

This is really about us.

Because if the government, if the media, if the intelligence services, if the institutions meant to serve and protect the people are capable of either getting something like this so wrong and then not apologize for it, not show us how they could be this wrong.

or they're capable of concealing something of this scale, then silence isn't just complicity.

It is corruption.

And if we allow this to stand, we become part of it.

I refuse to be Jake Tapper.

I have been on this boat with you for a very long time, questioning this, thinking there's absolutely no way that this is what they now say it is.

Well,

then I demand to know all of the evidence, and I demand to see all of the evidence because I've been complicit in a lie.

That this guy was somehow involved with all of these celebrities and powerful people.

I've been complicit in that because you convinced me of it.

Not you, but those in government, those now in power convinced me of that, that it was true.

And it logically made sense.

And now you're telling me to stop all the logic

and just trust you.

I won't.

I won't trust you because you were part of the people that told me to trust you last time because you knew.

You knew.

Now, I willingly went with you, but I'm not going to be Jake Tapper, who I'm just going to observe this,

be part of it, and then when it's proven to be wrong, apparently, you just go, oh.

And then you listen to the same people who convinced you of it the last time.

How many times have we said, How can you, how can these people have lied to you?

How can you keep going back to these people and say, okay, what else do you have for me?

No,

you lied to me.

Or at least you made an honest mistake in your assessment.

But I need to hear that from you.

I mean, am I the only one who, I mean, I've said this over and over again.

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No, but he doesn't look fine.

No, ignore your eyes.

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I'm there.

I see it all the time.

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Every time you look away, every time you shrug off a lie, too big or too dark to face, we teach ourselves to live with less, less truth, less justice, less moral clarity.

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Okay, I want Pam Bondi fired.

I want Pam Bondi fired.

It's escalated quickly.

Yeah, well, no, and here's why.

Here's why.

Do you release a tape?

that is supposed to be the evidence.

Do you release a tape and then

let the public find out for themselves that there's an edit in the tape?

That's an inexcusable mistake.

I mean, I don't know that she did it, right?

I guess

you know what?

It could have been just a digital jump in the tape.

It's a minute lost.

Okay.

So let's just say, let's just give them every benefit of the doubt and say it was just a digital jump in the tape.

Okay.

Do you not put an intern on it just to say, watch the clock and make sure there's no jumps or edit in the tape?

Because we know

300 million people are going to be watching it and somebody's going to take the time to watch the clock.

So watch the clock.

Is every minute accounted for?

You didn't do that.

You didn't do that.

I think you could pretty easily say that if you

wanted to,

right?

And your goal was you wanted to edit out a minute, it would be very easy to edit in a minute of footage

that no one would notice, just make the clock continuous.

Correct.

It would be clear.

If you were trying to cover that, it would be easy to cover.

Yeah.

However, incompetence.

This is incompetence.

Highlighting your point to incompetence.

At the very least, if you have a jump, you admit it.

You say at the beginning,

there is an error at this point.

We know this is there.

The fact that you release it as proof without acknowledging that minute is, I just don't understand how you could make a mistake like that when your goal here is supposedly to put everyone's mind at ease.

Right?

I don't know.

I don't know.

But there's more to it than that.

You know,

but hang on just a sec.

Let me just go back before we leave just this one.

Remember when I said yesterday, your wife finds receipts.

for you buying presents at Tiffany's that she never got.

That, you know, you were at a hotel that she's never been to.

You were not coming home for dinner.

You had long weekends and everything else.

It doesn't mean you were cheating.

You could be a traveling jewelry investor.

Right.

But

she should demand the evidence because you don't want that hanging there on your relationship.

It will just fester.

Now you give her the evidence, but then she finds out that, oh, well,

it's the wrong receipt.

It was a receipt

that you explained away, but but what you used as proof was not the same receipt.

You were like, no, see, honey, this is when we went to the hotel together.

And she looks at it and she's like, oh, okay.

And then she has it for a while and she looks at it and she's like, wait a minute, the date is different on this one.

This is not the same receipt.

That's a problem.

That's a problem.

And it doesn't mean that he was cheating on you.

It just means, what the hell is going on?

Are you this stupid?

And it certainly would make you have legitimate questions

about this.

It just makes you question things more.

Now, if it wasn't for the jump in the tape, and I'm going to call it, I'm not even going to call it an edit because I don't think it was an edit.

I think it was a jump in the tape.

As if the jump in the tape wasn't incompetent enough for you.

Listen to this one.

Jason is here with us.

Hi, Jason.

Hi, Glenn.

What a morning.

Wow.

What a morning it is.

Okay.

So, Jason, what else have you found?

Okay, so the more and more we looked at this tape, I started looking.

It was just weird because it looked like a janitor's closet.

So doorflop.

And you were like, shut up.

This is not a janitor's closet.

I don't know what this is.

Well, I was like, I can tell you there's a woman that looks like a janitor that comes out of supposedly the person, this cell that they're saying is his cell, which they're not, by the way, this is like people on social media were saying this was the cell, is coming out with a

trash can.

So

I looked around to see if there was any confirmation on what this cell was.

And I found an OIG report from the Justice Department two years ago that shows the camera angle and the one camera that was actually working.

So you can see the diagram, and I think we actually have it if you're watching this right now.

There's a diagram that shows where this camera is.

It shows where Epstein's cell is.

And the big thing that stands out, Glenn, is this camera doesn't even have eyes on Epstein Cell at all.

Like, not at all.

That's incredible.

There are four different wings here.

There is a service wing, and that's what we're looking at with that door 46.

That's like a service entrance or staff entrance.

Now, you can't see on the lower level Epstein Cell at all.

So this is what makes it look even crazier for that one minute that's missing.

And I will say that, okay,

let me just say it this way.

I've spent years and years and years looking at surveillance and security camera footage, as you know, in my previous job.

I've never seen an over one minute jump right at a time that would be very, very, I don't know, just convenient.

I've never seen that before in all my years looking at these things.

There's no reason why, why do you say that minute would be convenient?

You're just saying that one minute being gone is convenient.

You're not saying that particular minute

in this entire timeframe based off of this this camera angle so it's convenient like let's say 60 seconds would be great for someone walking across that lower level 60 seconds would be perfect for if you wanted to like conceal the fact that someone walked across that area here's that's why i would here's why could here's why i didn't buy into this at first okay 60 seconds to get in and open the door and then kill him and then leave okay but look at the diagram if you look at the diagram where the camera is,

there is a just a maybe a foot

space where the camera is not able to see where there is a door from the staff area.

Okay.

Are you looking at because I think it's hard to tell from this?

Are we looking at, is this diagram the top floor or the bottom floor?

Jason, do you have any idea?

So

it looks like Epstein.

So I think Epstein cell house is on the sand on the top floor.

Yeah.

So the stairs.

These are the upper floors.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I'm looking, I'm looking at where the staff area is.

Okay.

See the yellow triangle in the red box where it says zelle.

Okay.

So

there is one way out of the staff area and it's right below the camera.

Like underneath the floor, essentially, of where the camera is.

Yeah, on the floor.

If the camera's up on a ceiling, is that what you're saying?

Yeah, the camera's like, yeah, the camera is

the camera is from above

on the second floor, shooting down.

And you can see what the evidence that they're basically proclaiming here, and this is true, you know, what Jason's saying is true, that you can't see the door of the Epstein cell.

What you can see is a common area that, in theory, you would need to cross to get to the cell.

What you're saying, Glenn, is the camera doesn't actually show 100%

of the potential paths to get there.

You could come cross, if you cross right in front of the banister here on the bottom floor, there's no way you could see.

There's no way you're going to see.

Okay, so wait a minute.

So I just want to make sure.

We are talking about the same thing.

If you look at the videotape, it's the white room

downstairs, right?

So it's where the garbage can is down there.

Below.

So Epstein's room would be below the garbage can.

No, the Epstein's room, if you look out, if you the area that you can see, and I apologize for radio listeners here that aren't seeing this visual, but I want to make sure we get this right.

There's an open area where the banister is like the

and it shows the common era behind it, right?

If you go to the right side of the common era from area from our view, outside of the view to the right is where the entrance to the cell is, the stairs up to the cell.

So all you have to do, you don't have to cross the floor.

Why do you have to cross the floor?

You could stay close to that wall.

You can go through the door.

You can go through the door and see and just stay against the wall.

Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe, and Jason, maybe you know this.

If they, maybe it's explained somewhere else in the report.

But, like, is it possible that they're saying all the other entrances to get to that area have cameras?

And so they didn't see anybody walking into those areas?

If that were true, of course, you should show that.

So, why wouldn't you show the other

proof that anybody did anything?

No.

This is proof they are absolute.

Pam Bondi needs to be fired.

Who is rolling this out?

The little rascals?

Pinky.

Look, I got some videotape.

What are you doing?

This is ridiculous.

This is such absolute incompetence.

Incompetence.

It's incredible.

And the fact that they would release that, because I think everyone had the same assumption.

I think even Jason, as a super duper skeptic on this, even you had the assumption that what they were saying was

the green doors were the cells, or at least to the cell area.

That's what I thought.

That's what I thought.

That's what everyone, I think, thought when they saw it.

Now, to be clear, like the report, as you point out, Jason, previously had stated and shown this diagram that shows that they're talking about the common area.

So that's not like it's, but like they should have been very clear about that.

What we're talking about is the common area, right?

They should have put that in the announcement.

Stu we are going upstairs.

We're going upstairs today.

Okay.

Okay.

To my house.

And, you know, I have that balcony upstairs by the fireplace.

You haven't really seen the house.

You came in.

Stu arrived here like at midnight last night because it's like a day's journey from anywhere.

Right.

But

we're going to go upstairs and you put a camera

down into the great room.

Do you want to recreate the Epstein video in your house?

I do.

And I want to show you I can get to places in the room

because there's a whole floor.

The balcony shows part,

but it doesn't show the door.

I could.

I'll wait until I got to prove that we're going to do this live on YouTube or something on maybe on X today as soon as we get off the air.

Because

this is ridiculous.

It's unbelievable.

Again, it doesn't prove that this, you know, he was killed.

However, it is the fact that they're releasing a video that has this many holes in it to a passing.

Again, the person you're trying to

make feel better about all of this is someone very interested in the detail of it, right?

It's not someone who has a passing interest.

You're not releasing this to some person who kind of knows who Jeffrey Epstein is.

This is intentionally designed to try to push down some, what you're arguing is a conspiracy theory.

You're also, also, and you know what?

I'm not arguing anything.

I'm arguing this is incompetence.

Yes.

I'm not arguing that he killed himself or he didn't kill.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But this isn't helping.

You know, not only are you saying, you know, that these people have some interest in it.

Well, you know, these people are, you know, interested in the details.

No.

You're releasing it to a bunch of people who many of them have the details, but many of them are hostile to what you're saying.

So you better have a buttoned up case.

You better not have anything that they find out later.

Wait, wait a minute.

What?

Right.

And it could be, you know, you could make the couple of arguments that you probably could make here.

One, they don't actually care about this and they're annoyed they have to deal with it.

So they just threw it out there.

Terrible incompetence.

And if that's the truth, it's just inexcusable.

The other thing they might argue, and this could be part of it, part of the rollout, there were reports at least that this got leaked, that this came out essentially earlier than they wanted it to come out.

And so their rollout was not as well planned as they thought it was going to be.

Axios reported this exclusively.

Now it's possible, right, that they leaked it to Axios, but it's not exactly a typical location of a Trump hoot.

The Justice Department or the FBI?

That's what I want to know.

First of all, this administration has no leaks.

We just bombed Iran without any leaks.

Yeah,

different wing of the government.

Still, I get what you're saying.

A lot of this has been tight, but there does seem to be, you know, there's a lot of big personalities.

There's always reported squabbling going on.

Who knows how this was released and who did it?

I mean, and it may be true that part of the rollout was hurt, right?

Because it was released before they were ready or something.

That might be true.

It still isn't really explained.

I mean, the video is the video.

They definitely posted it.

Yeah, they posted it like that.

They posted it.

They had a memo that explained what the video was and did not mention any of that,

any of the issues we're talking about.

That's all you had to do.

Hey, there's a one-minute jump.

Here's why it's there.

But again, like,

even with that explanation, which would make me happier, right, that they were at least available.

You're not,

it still wouldn't make you a person who believes in this theory.

Right.

I can tell you for a fact, nothing is going to satisfy everyone.

Right.

Okay.

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I have never seen such incompetence.

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I've been watching Washington for a long time.

Just when you thought they couldn't get more incompetent, they released the videotape of the Epstein cell and try to sell something that is insane, especially when you start to look at all of the details like the missing minute of video that was edited.

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And we're also going to talk to Celine Azito.

She is the author of the book, Butler.

I started listening to it yesterday.

It is really good.

I think I'm up to chapter six.

She is a great storyteller and she also explains America in a way I've never heard anybody else explain it, the Trump voters, and what happened that day in Butler, how President Trump's assassination attempt has affected his second term.

It's Butler.

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Selena, congratulations on your book.

It is so good.

Just started reading it or listening to it last night.

And

I wish you would have read it.

But, you know, the lady you have reading it is very good, but I just enjoy the way you tell stories.

The writing of this is the best explanation on who

Trump supporters are that I think I've ever read from anybody?

It's really good.

And the description of

your experience there at the edge of the stage with Donald Trump is pretty remarkable as well.

Welcome to the program.

Thank you, Glenn.

Thank you so much for having me.

You know, I was thinking about this as I was waiting to come on, and you and I have been along for this ride together for what, since 2006, 2005, like 10 years right

and and and I've been chronicling the American people for probably 10 more years before that and it is really remarkable to me as watching how this coalition has grown right and watching how people have be have become more aspirational and and that's that is what the trump the conservative populist coalition is, right?

It is the aspirations of many, but the celebration of the individual.

And chronicling them, yeah, has been has been a great honor.

You know, I was thinking about this yesterday when

Elon Musk said he was starting another party.

And somebody asked me, well, isn't he doing what the Tea Party tried to do?

And no, the Tea Party wasn't going to start a new party.

It was to

coerce and convince the Republican Party to do the right thing.

And it worked in many ways.

It didn't accomplish what we hoped, but it did accomplish a lot of things.

Donald Trump is a result of the Tea Party.

I truly believe that.

And a lot of the people that were with it

were with Donald Trump

are the people that were with the Tea Party.

That's absolutely right.

So that was the inception.

So American politics has always had movements that have been just outside of a party or slightly within a party that galvanize and broaden the coalition, right?

They don't take away and walk away and become another party.

If anything, if there is a third party out there, it's almost the Republican Party because it has changed in so many viable and meaningful ways.

And the Tea Party didn't go away.

It strengthened and broadened the Republican Party because these weren't just Republicans that became part of this party.

It was independents, it was Democrats, and unhappy with establishment Republicans and unhappy with Democrats.

And

that movement is

what I see today, what I see every day, what I saw that day in Butler when I showed up at that rally, as I do so many rallies, you know, throughout my career, and that one was riveting and changed everything.

You made a great case in the opening chapter.

You talk about how things were going for Donald Trump and how this moment really did change everything for Donald Trump, changed the trajectory, changed the mood.

I mean, Elon Musk was not on the Trump train until this moment.

What do you, what, what,

what changed?

How did that work?

And

I contend that we would have had much more profound change had the media actually done their job and reported this the way it really was.

You know,

and people will find this in the book.

I'm laying on the ground with an agent on top of me.

I'm four feet away from the president and

there's notices coming up on my phone saying he was hit by broken glass.

And to this day, that

remains part of this subculture in American politics because reporters

were so anxious to write what they believed happened as opposed to what happened.

And it's been a continual frustration of mine as a reporter who is on the ground all the time.

Now, I'll tell you what changed in that moment, and it's a nuance, and I believe nuance is dead in American journalism, but it was a nuance, and it was a powerful conversation that I had with President Trump the next day.

He called me the next morning, but it's also a powerful conversation I had with him just two weeks ago when he made the decision to say fight, fight, fight.

People have

put in their heads why they think he said it, but he told me why he said that.

And he said, Selena, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump the man.

I was a former president.

I was quite possibly going to be president again.

And I had an obligation to the country and to the office that I have served in to project strength, to project resolve, to project that we will not be defeated.

And it's sort of like that symbolic eagle that is always, you know,

that symbol that we look at when we think about our country.

He said, that's why I said that I didn't want the people behind me panicking.

I didn't want the people watching it panicking.

I had to show strength.

And it's that nuance that

I think people really picked up on and galvanized people.

So he told me when he was laying down on the stage, and you can hear him.

Let me get up.

I got to get up.

Let me get up.

Let me get up.

He told me as he was laying on the stage.

I asked him, I said,

What were you thinking?

What was going through your head?

Now, Selena, I don't know about you, but with me, it would be like, How do I get off the stage?

You know, that would be my first

is survival.

Okay.

Yeah.

He said, What was going through his mind was, you're not pathetic.

This is pathetic.

You're not afraid.

Get up.

Get up.

And

so

is that what informed his fight, fight, fight of

by the time he's standing up, he's thinking, I'm a symbol?

Or do you think he was thinking, I'm a symbol, this looks pathetic, it makes you look weak.

Stand up.

How do you think that actually happened?

He thinks, and he and I just talked about this two weeks ago.

He, you know, he's, and this is something he's really thought about, right?

You know, and he's gone over and over.

And also

purpose and God, right?

These are things that have

lingered with him.

You know, he thought,

yes, he did think it was pathetic that he was on the ground, but he wasn't thinking about, I'm Donald Trump.

It's pathetic.

He's thinking, my country is symbolically on the ground.

I need to get up and I need to show that my country is strong, that our country is resolute.

And I need people to see that.

We can't go on looking like pathetic, right?

And I think that then goes goes to that image of biden

you have been with so many presidents

how many presidents do you think that you've personally been with

would have thought that and reacted that way

probably any reagan would have

reagen probably would have thought that um and you and if you remember how he um was out like standing outside um you know waving out the window right after he was shot.

Right.

At the hospital.

Right.

Had he had not been knocked out, like, you know, unconscious, he probably would have done the same thing because he was also someone who deeply believed in American exceptionalism.

And American exceptionalism

does not delay on the ground.

Yeah, that symbol.

The symbol of the presidency.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I think that affects him today.

So let me go back to God because

you talk to him the next day in your book, Butler.

He calls you up.

I love the fact that your parents would have been ashamed of you on what you said to him.

The language you used.

You just have to read the book to hear this.

It's a great part.

But he calls you the next morning and wants to know if you're okay.

And you...

you then start talking to him about God.

And I was thinking about this as I was listening to it.

You know, Lincoln said,

I wasn't a Christian,

even though he was.

I wasn't a Christian when I was elected.

I wasn't a Christian when my son died.

I became a Christian at Gettysburg.

I mean, I believe Donald Trump has always believed in God, et cetera, et cetera.

But do you think there was a

real profound change at Butler with him?

Absolutely.

You know, he called me seven times that day.

Seven times the day after.

Seven.

Talked about it.

And I think he was looking for someone that he knew that was there and could try to sort it out, right?

And I let him do most of the talking.

I didn't pressure him at all.

I believed that he was having, you know, he was struggling and he needed to just talk.

And I believed my purpose was to listen, right?

I know other reporters would have handled it differently.

And that's okay.

That's not the kind of reporter I am.

And I myself was having my own, like,

why didn't I die, right?

Because it went right over my head.

And so I let him, he led the conversation about God.

I mean, he was also funny.

He's like, I thought it was the biggest mosquito in the world that hit me.

But he talks profoundly about purpose,

you know, and God and how God was in that moment.

In the book, I love the way you said that as he's kind of working it out in his own head, he was like, you know,

I always knew that there was some sort of, you know, that God was present.

He said, but now that this has happened, I look back at all of the trials, all of the tribulations, literally the trials, all of the things that have happened.

He's like, I realize God was there the whole time.

Yeah,

he does.

And it's fascinating to have been that witness to history, to have those conversations with him.

Because I'm telling you, and y'all know I can talk.

I didn't say much of anything.

I just listened.

I just listened.

I felt that was my purpose in that moment, to give him that space to work it out.

I'm someone that is, you know, believes in God.

I'm Catholic.

I follow my faith.

And

so I thought, well, this is why God put me here, right?

And to have that, to hear him talk about purpose, to hear him say, Selena, why did I turn my head?

Why did I put a chart down?

I'm like, I don't know, sir.

I thought you were Ross Perot there for a second.

Because, you know, he never has a chart.

And he laughed.

And then he said, why did I put that chart down?

Why did I turn my head?

I never turn my head away from people at a rally.

And that's true.

That relationship is very transactional.

It's very, they feed off of each other.

It's a very

emotive moment when you attend a rally because he has a way of...

of talking at a rally that you believe that you are seeing.

And he said, and I never turn my head away.

I never turn my head away.

Why did I turn my head away?

I don't remember consciously thinking about turning my head away.

And then he says to me, Goslina, that was God, wasn't it?

I said, yes, sir, it was.

It was God.

He said, and that's why I have a new purpose.

And so, Glenn, I think it's important when you look at the breadth of what has happened.

since he was sworn in, you see that purpose every day.

He doesn't lit up.

He continues going.

And it brings back to the beginning of the book where you find out that there was another president that was shot at in Butler.

And that was George Washington.

And how different the country would have been had he died in that moment.

And now think about how different the country would be had President Trump died in that moment.

There would be no

steel workers.

We're talking to Selena Zito about our new book called Butler, the Assassination Attempt on President Trump, and it is riveting.

And, you know, it is so good.

I wish the press would read it because it really explains who we are, who Trump supporters are, who are, you know,

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Selena, I have some news that we're trying to take care of today.

Is it possible to have you back on tomorrow to continue our conversation?

Because I want to get into the killer.

You went into the family, and this is all the far as I am in the book.

You start talking about

him and how he trained and his family

and

it's fascinating stuff.

Can we have you back tomorrow to talk about more?

Absolutely.

That would be an honor.

Yeah.

Okay.

Absolutely.

Give one pitch on what you think people need to know about this book and why it's important.

I think people need to know that there was a completely different election going on, one that you didn't see in the news, one you didn't see on social media or in cable news.

And I really bring that story to life and how much the country has changed in a way that you're not seeing in the daily news, but I see every day and continue to see every day on the ground in the way that I cover American politics.

Nobody covers it like you do, and I wish they did.

And, you know, I know they're not going to, but I really think everybody,

this is a book that I would love to give to friends and relatives that just don't understand.

I don't think they'd read it because they'd be like,

but it really truly explains.

I mean, just you're talking about leaving the area in the parking lot and the difference between, you know what I mean?

The difference between Trump supporters and how people interact with one another.

It is such an important book.

Selena, we'll talk again tomorrow.

I want to get into the killer and

what happened and all of that on tomorrow's broadcast.

Selena Zito, thank you so much.

The name of the book is Butler.

You want to read this book?

It is great.

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Well, there is

a news story out today.

Several Democratic laws, listen to this, several Democratic lawmakers have expressed concerns as their constituents,

Democrats,

have concerns about their own constituents

growing increasingly frustrated with what they view as inaction.

Okay, so we're on that, right?

I'm concerned about our party.

But what are we saying?

We're saying next time they are up for election, we vote them out, right?

That's not where the Democrats are.

According to Democrats, quote, this is Representative Brad Schneider of Illinois.

We have people who are desperately wanting us to do something.

No matter what we say, they want more.

The expectations, I'm quoting, are not just unreal, they are dangerous.

Some of them have

suggested what we really need to do is be willing to get shot.

What I have seen is a demand that we get ourselves arrested intentionally or allow ourselves to be victims of violence, and a lot of times that's coming from economically very secure white people.

Not only would that be a gift to Donald Trump, not only would it make the job of Republicans in Congress easier if we were all mired in legal troubles, we are a group that is disproportionately people of color, women, LGBT people, and people who do not fare very well in prison.

Democrats are concerned because of the historic victory and what it is all meaning.

I'm quoting, our own base is telling us that what we're doing is not good enough.

There needs to be blood to grab the attention of the press and the public.

It's like the Roman Coliseum.

People just want more and more of this spectacle.

That's from the Democrats about their own supporters.

I told you this would happen in 2008.

It is only going to get much worse.

You cannot

do two things.

You cannot embrace radicals and communists and anarchists and expect them to calm down when you need them to calm down.

You can't do it.

It's not their nature.

You cannot use people because if they figure out that they've been used,

they come after you.

They are willing to die, but you're not.

And so they will turn on you.

This is my warning to them forever.

Since Michael Moore was put in the box in, what, 2006, the presidential box, 2004?

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and the violence is coming from the Democrats, not all Democrats.

The Democratic leaders are now expressing that their own constituents are saying, you need to get shot.

There needs to be blood in the streets.

That's not American.

Now,

a few of these Democrats are coming out and saying this.

But what was the other warning I gave you?

The Democrats will then cower in fear because

they'll have no place to run.

Do you remember that monologue I did on Fox off the top of my head when I said, you people in the press, you think you're fine.

You think you're fine.

You

Democrats that are cozying up to these radicals in the streets, you think it's going to come out on us.

They are going to drag you and me out into the middle of the streets and beat you to death on live television and they will celebrate it.

This is why this is why the truth

on Epstein is so important.

And I

this sounds so stupid because

Epstein, that's not going to change anything.

It's not going to change anything.

Whether people go to prison or not, it's not going to affect the operation of the government.

What will change things is the truth that there was no cover-up, that he acted

by himself, or that there was a cover-up and that everyone is involved and that he is a Mossad agent or a CIA agent or whatever.

The details don't matter at this point.

This is so important.

And I haven't, I've tried for two days to try to explain this, and I haven't found the right words yet.

The details don't matter.

What matters is that people start to believe there is justice.

We were talking earlier, and I'm afraid to go back to Jason because he's been doing more research.

And, you know, just what he found just, you know, yesterday is shocking enough.

The tape that is out

is, of course, not those two green doors, those aren't the doors.

Everybody just assumed those were the doors.

Those are not the doors.

They're not even looking at that floor.

They're saying, look past the guardrail to the floor downstairs, and you will see a couple of jail cells.

But those cells, those aren't even

his cells.

Then, also, it was discovered yesterday that there is an edit in the tape.

And

let's just say nothing happened.

Let's just say nothing happened.

Listen, I don't believe this, but let's just say that there was no edit.

It was just a digital jump in the tape.

Now, I've not seen that happen, but let's just say it did.

Who is so unbelievably incompetent in Pam Bondi's office that they release this tape?

You did not have an intern look and say, there's a minute missing here.

You didn't, you didn't, if you want to say, well, it was just a minute, it was just a jump, it was no big deal.

You say that when you give it to people.

Now, here's the one thing that I just cannot, I can't excuse.

The people that are involved in this, many of them

are very good with the press.

They know what they're doing.

They know how to tell stories.

They know what they're doing.

Why?

Why, for the love of everything good and sacred?

Why, for the good of the republic, wouldn't you say this when you're releasing it?

Hey, there's an edit.

You're just adding fuel to the fire.

What is wrong with you?

Pam Bondi should step down.

She She should be fired or she should step down.

This is the worst rollout.

First of all, I've got it on my desk.

All of the names, everything that's going on, I got it on my desk and we're going to be releasing it.

Okay, let's just take the most innocent.

She didn't read it.

She didn't know what was sitting on her desk.

She had a bunch of papers on her desk and there was nothing in it, but she made it sound like there was something in it.

Okay.

Mistake.

Then how do you cover that mistake?

Remember, it was a couple of days later.

We can't release it because

there are forces inside the FBI in New York that are stopping us from getting this information.

I said at the time, then why aren't you up there arresting those people?

Why isn't there a SWAT team up there?

Why aren't you taking those people out in handcuffs?

Well, the logical conclusion there is because that wasn't happening.

Now, I gave Pam Bondi Bandi the benefit of the doubt and said, well, let's see.

There's, you know, I'm going to give her a year.

I can't give her a year.

I can't give her a year.

This is absolute incompetence at the very best.

Jason doesn't believe.

I'm trying to give everybody the benefit of the doubt.

I'm trying not to go down a conspiratorial road

because I don't know what to believe now.

Jason will not give Pam Bandi the benefit of the doubt on that.

I don't, the way, and I want to address like some of the social media reaction and I think most of the country's reaction over the past few days, because a lot of us were told this video was the definitive proof.

It's like, ah, we've seen the video, you know, he must have killed himself.

But as you're looking, if you, when, as you look at this video and you compare it to the OIG report from two years ago, I don't see how you can say definitively that this video shows you anything at all.

For one, this is the only camera angle that is actually on this floor that is recording any video.

As we said before, there are four other cameras that were recording a live stream or were showing a live stream, but weren't recording anything.

So there is no record what they had.

And I want to read this part from the OIG report.

It just kind of struck my funny.

It said, quote, as the OIG has noted in numerous prior reports, Bureau of Prison staff and inmates are aware of where prison cameras are located and here, listen to this, and often engage in wrongdoing in locations where they know cameras are not located.

So did they all know that the other four cameras, they were there, they just were not showing any proof of what may or may not be happening?

I don't know.

But I think it's interesting that I don't see how you can say, look, this video proves anything, because as you're looking at the video,

If there's that figure that shows the actual diagram, even when you're looking at the OIG report and it shows where the camera is focused and the field of view that it has, it shows that the stairwell leading up to Epstein's little block, little cell area, is in full view.

Well, it's not.

You can barely see the left side of the staircase that actually goes up to his cell block.

Barely see it.

So if you're hugging the right side, you could easily just hug up and go right up to the cell.

Very easy.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

I don't understand what you said.

Go back to that video you were just playing.

You're saying the staircase in this video is going up to his cell block, but you just told me, because that's what I originally thought.

But then we were talking about earlier today, and you said

his cell is down below that

stairway.

It's down on that floor below.

So you see the downstairs area is like the common area.

You have to walk up the stairs.

You see, like in the left-hand side, that's a stairwell going up to the cell blocks in that one little wing.

It's the same thing on Epstein's side.

There's a little stairwell that goes up to his little area on the right side, but it's not fully in view.

Okay, I don't think I.

I think

that stair on the other side of

that little gate there, of the

banister.

On the other side of that, is there a floor that is there or does that go down?

It's a lower floor.

So it's a lower floor.

Yeah, so the lower floor is like the common area where the security guards like hang out.

You know, they have their little desk.

You can see it right there.

That's the lower floor.

Then you go up to the actual cell.

That's insane.

That's even worse than I thought it was.

That's worse than I thought it was.

That's even.

I mean, I thought, oh my gosh,

that's worse.

I don't know how you can say, like I said, I don't see how you can say this is the entrance and so we can therefore rule out any wrongdoing because you could even, it doesn't even address if there was an inmate that was in one of the other cells across or next to Epstein's cell that was was let out to go do something to him.

You can't even confirm that.

And any of the other cameras that could put any context to this, again, four,

four others were not recording.

But a lot of this is older news, but it's now a lot more relevant today because we were told this camera was the definitive proof.

It's not.

Right.

And again, it does not prove that he was murdered.

It doesn't.

It does just does, it doesn't do the job that they're trying to make it do, which would be to disprove it.

And Glenn, like, and that's that's the problem.

You can't just keep adding weak things that make you question more.

Stop it.

Is it possible, Glenn, they're looking at this and saying, we have

a campaign promise that was made that we're going to release this stuff.

So we've got to get it out the door.

Let's check the box on that.

At the end of the day,

the only people who

really care about this are a bunch of talk show hosts and like political obsessives on Twitter.

Really?

We are not.

And I will say this, to back that theory up, there's no evidence that this is hurting Donald Trump.

Because it hasn't hit Donald Trump yet.

People understand this is the Epstein case now.

They don't understand that this is all about justice.

And I don't think that anyone, Pam Bandi certainly does not understand

that

this just started a clock ticking on all of the other things that people are expecting somebody to be arrested for.

Okay.

Or to be explained.

This has started the clock.

It would have been better not to to say or do anything and let people go, well, maybe they're working on something.

You know what I mean?

This is bad.

And Donald Trump has a lot of credibility with his supporters.

I'm not bringing this to Donald Trump's level at this point.

But when if this is the way they're going to handle everything, it's eventually going to get to him.

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You know,

we're going to go through the schematic here on this video because, you know, we looked at the floors.

Stu's been putting together something.

I assume you're going to do this on your show today.

No, I mean, I know.

I was doing this to show.

All right.

So he's put this schematic together and he's outlined how easy it is to get past this to get to his cell.

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There's a lot on our plate today.

Just told you a story about how the Democrats now,

according to Democrats, speaking openly to the press about it,

are now saying that their constituents are becoming a little scary because they are demanding blood.

Blood on the streets, somebody's blood, even politicians' blood.

I think you saw this, and everybody just kind of brushed by it awfully darn fast.

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This is a very dangerous time we're living in, and that's why we must guard our credibility

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Now, we're going to take you through the schematic.

I just tweeted it out, so if you have, you know, X, just go to my X

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I'm going to share it with you here in just a second.

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But it is important to ask ourselves, if this is the video that Dan Bongino saw, what is it we're missing?

Because I believe Dan Bongino.

I must be missing something that he, or maybe this isn't the video that he saw.

This is the video that Pam Bandi

and her people sent out yesterday.

And now that we've had 24 hours to look at it, there's an edit in it.

It doesn't seem to show anything about his jail cell.

And we'll show you how easy it is to get around this one camera.

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I mean, you didn't put it together, but you did a little

squiggly red line.

Right, right, right.

And I think it's important to look because I think, can we put the video up of what they released?

First, the video.

What you're seeing are these two green doors.

Most people think, oh, well, that one of those or the one off to the side by the phone, that must be his cell.

It's not.

It's not.

If you have to look down the stairs and through the guardrail into the next room, that's the common area.

But there right next to the second green door, right by the edge, you see, and I don't even know if you can see it.

It looks like you can see maybe the beginning of the stairs on the other side.

That would lead those stairs would lead up to Epstein's cell.

So

you're not seeing anything.

And when you really understand what you are looking at this video,

you don't have to edit this videotape.

You don't have to edit it.

Because there's no, I mean, there's a million ways to avoid the camera.

If you know that that's the one camera that's on, it's so easy to avoid it.

And let me show you the schematic that Stu put together.

I love that I'm getting credit for a schematic.

This is a schematic from the OIG report.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I drew one red squiggly line.

Okay, so you need to see the upper tiers.

The upper tiers are on the left-hand side in kind of the orange, and you will see where Epstein's cell is.

It's way away from any camera, completely away from any camera.

Well, to be clear, there are cameras, just none of them are recording anything.

Yeah, there's one, two, three, four,

four cameras.

Four cameras that would see

the important area.

All of them are not working.

The one that doesn't see the area is working fine.

It is working fine.

It's working fine.

All right again.

It's a lot

to handle.

Okay.

So

now let me look at the blue section because this is the downstairs in the common area.

This is what you're looking at through the, you know, through the guardrail.

You're seeing down, you're seeing a part of this common area.

So take us through this, dude, because this is incredible.

So basically

you're seeing a good chunk of the common area.

Their argument would be to get to Epstein's cell block, you must cross through through this common area, which is true.

You would need to go through that if these schematics are as accurate as we understand them to be.

You would not be able to get there from any other angle.

However, there is, if you look in the, and I'm explaining this to the radio audience as well.

Did you post this on Twitter as well?

Yeah, it's on Twitter.

Go to my Twitter.

You can see this.

Coming out of Epstein's cell block, staying close to the wall where his cell block is, staying close to the wall that comes under where the camera is, you are essentially taken,

you can exit the entire cell block without being seen by that camera relatively easily if you knew what to do.

Like if you just stumbled through the middle of there, you would be seen.

But if you were someone who, let's say, had a reason to kill a very famous pedophile,

you could easily enter and exit without being seen by that camera at all, at least by my view.

I don't see,

and I don't think that that's, there's a mistake there.

Now, this, of course, doesn't address the idea of potentially another inmate being let out in his cell block, which you can't see at all.

That could easily be

another explanation for someone

killing Epstein and not being seen on this video.

To be clear, this video does not prove that Epstein was killed.

It doesn't.

What it does not achieve, in my mind, quite clearly is to make it impossible for that to have occurred.

Right?

Like, you can absolutely,

there's a path out of a door that comes directly below where the one working camera is, staying close to the

wall as you exit that door.

And you would avoid the camera entirely.

You'd be able to go up those stairs.

You might have to stay on the right side of the stairs, but that's about it.

And then you walk up there and you're there, and you can do the same thing on the way back and exit the cell block, really with no problems.

I mean, like, you could recreate this, Glenn, if you, if you wanted to be, and if you were Nathan Fielder and had a giant HBO budget and wanted to do a rehearsal of the situation and very easily

get there and back without being seen by that camera.

So I think it,

you know, it just doesn't do the thing it's attempting to do.

The only reason to release this video is to persuade people who are very much on the bandwagon that Epstein did not kill himself.

And there's no way this video would achieve that goal.

So there's really no point.

Dan Bongino is a friend.

Dan Bongino is somebody I trust.

Dan Bongino does not lie.

You know, he's not part of Deep State.

I need to know from Dan what is it about this video that you saw, if this is the video he was talking about.

It has to be, right?

Because no other cameras were working.

I would assume so.

Now, if you look at this, the schematic actually shows which cameras are working, which aren't, Glenn.

I don't know if you noticed that on there, on the schematic I put together.

And you see

there's a bunch of cameras, one, two, three, four in the cell block on both floors

that have red boxes around them.

Those are the ones that aren't working.

All of them would have seen

the area not covered by the one camera that is working.

All of them would have seen it.

Which is incredible.

I mean, really.

And now, one other interesting detail is if you look on the lower floor schematic that I created and you walk this path out, there is one other camera in

the non-cell block area, the area where the guards would do things, which is working.

However, would not catch a person walking out to the one exit door.

It is fascinating.

Now, I guess someone would be somewhere there's a camera.

I don't know if it's the parking lot or something.

I'm sure there's some camera, but I don't know that you'd be able to determine who the person was if you want to believe this conspiracy.

And I don't mean even a conspiracy in a demeaning way, but a conspiracy in that

someone was working together to get this done.

And this is such a red herring because,

yes, it's important to know if he killed himself or somebody killed him.

Yeah, it's important.

It's not at the top of my priority list right now.

No, it's not.

I don't.

You know, none of the Epstein stuff is at the top of my priority list.

This is just

symptom when you're not seeing other people go to jail for you watch them with your own eyes commit perjury.

And

they're not even trying to put them in jail.

It seems.

There doesn't seem to be anything from the DOJ moving.

Pamboni's office is not issuing anything.

Congress is doing their part, turning everything over.

And then what happens?

Jason.

Yeah, I think we can all agree that this video doesn't show anything, but can I just to throw another coal in the fire?

I'm just trying to rationalize what the FBI or DOJ are relying on.

So if it's not the video, perhaps it's the prison guards.

Maybe it's the prison guards.

Maybe they had a very detailed report.

Well, if I may, read another portion of the OIG report.

This is talking about multiple different

prison guards that were assigned that night during this, when this happened.

It said during their shift, they each created and submitted falsified official Bureau of Prison forms documenting inmate counts, often referred to as count slips, and completed and signed more than 75 separate entries on an official BOP form documenting 30-minute rounds, often referred to as round sheets, falsely stating that they had conducted rounds when in fact they had not.

So we have people lying, we have cameras not working, falsified reports,

and a video that doesn't really show us what they said it shows.

Maybe the curious mind would want to look into that, possibly.

There's also a sign that was posted.

It's in the report as well.

Camera up here is on.

Make sure you skirt this wall.

No, it says,

here it goes.

It says mandatory rounds must be conducted every 30 minutes on Epstein as per God.

The sign says.

So they were supposed to go see him every 30 minutes.

I guess they said.

And they falsified those.

Yep, they falsified them and or slept through them.

All right, let me go to Ed in New York.

Hello, Ed, line eight.

Hi.

Yeah, hi.

Hi.

Look,

we can all agree that the Epstein sting operation was to get a number of top officials to do what the deep state wanted them to do.

So if I'm Trump.

No, I don't think we can't all say that.

We suspect that, but I don't think that's what we're trying to prove.

I mean, there's a lot of people that suspect a lot of things, and it's definitely a possibility.

Oh, yeah, it is.

It's a very good possibility.

Yeah, because otherwise,

you look at Epstein had ties to the CIA.

There are not a whole lot of other reasons for doing an operation this big and having private.

So

I'm not arguing with your conclusion, Ed.

I'm arguing with let's not start conversations with we all know.

We all suspect, we all believe, or many of us do, but we do not know.

And that's the problem.

We must have the evidence.

And why are they holding it back?

It only makes our we all feel,

we all know,

you know, it only makes that stronger.

So I'm just trying to make sure that we are not adding fuel to the fire on this.

We have to guard our credibility.

I listen to your show a lot, but this schematic thing, okay, let me finish my thought here.

Okay, all right, go ahead.

If I was Trump, if I was Trump and I had all the names of all of these people,

why release them when I can call these people on the phone and say, I have you on the Epstein list, and now you're going to do what I want.

Wow.

You would do that, Ed?

Yeah.

of course, you guys.

I love you, I really do.

I listen to you almost every day, but guess what?

I love it too.

This is hardball.

This is hardball.

I don't, so Ed, I don't believe ends justify the means ever, and it is hardball.

That's why I have your name.

I call you up.

I have your name.

I have all the evidence.

And I am putting your ass in prison for the rest of your life.

That is what justice is.

When you take a wrong and you then do something else that is wrong and you let, in this case, a child molester get away with it because I can get him to do what I want.

That's blackmail.

That's, I mean, you've become what you're trying to destroy.

No, but people, listen, this goes on.

Law enforcement uses junkies all the time to catch bigger junkies.

Okay?

And everybody knows that if you want to make an omelette, you got to break a few eggs.

Said by Stalin or Mao.

They have crucified this guy, crucified him, 31 convictions, all of that stuff.

And if I was Trump,

do you believe that Trump's agenda is a just agenda and that he has a lot of people?

I can't even go down this road with you.

I mean, you use the word they crucified him.

Jesus didn't compromise, and he was literally crucified.

There are roads, and see, this is where we get into trouble.

There are things when you start to say,

you know what?

The ends justify the means.

The country is at stake, so we will blackmail people.

No, I want no part of that.

Now, you might, but I don't.

And so I can't go down with that road.

I think we agree on a lot of stuff, just not that.

And I got to go hit a network break.

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What?

It's a fascinating day.

It is a fascinating day.

You know,

I worry about everything.

There's something that I'm going through personally right now that is such a grave concern.

It's why I'm so discombobulated here this week,

because there's something going on in my own personal life, and I'm really having a hard time sort through it.

And it's all about this kind of stuff.

And

it's.

You should be more clear, I think.

We're in the middle of talking about Jeffrey Epstein.

Can you be a little bit more?

Oh, yeah, not about that.

Okay.

About compromises, about finding the truth, about knowing what the truth is, and facing the truth, and not listening to hyperbole, whether that is from me or from another source.

You cannot take other people's words for it.

You must seek the absolute truth.

You know, somebody asked me the other day, how do I find out about the Big Beautiful bill?

How do I really know what's in it?

And I said, Well, there's only one way to really know what's in it, and that is read the bill.

Okay, well, that's a lot of work, but that's how you find out what's really in it.

You want to take a shortcut, put the bill in to ChatGPT, and say, based only on this this document, the bill, can you give me an executive summary?

And you can cross your fingers and hope that it doesn't lead anything out.

But if you just ask ChatGPT, what's in the big beautiful bill, it's going to take it from all kinds of sources and you don't know what's true or not.

You must start with the original source.

And that's all I'm trying to get to on all of this.

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Welcome to the Glen Beck program.

We're glad you're here.

Stu is with me.

Also, Jason Buttrill, who is our head of research and head writer for the TV show.

What are we doing for TV tomorrow, Jason?

Do you know, have we decided yet?

Yeah, we're going into the socialist and communist takeover of the country.

We're going to focus in on Mom Dani and everything around it.

It's fascinating.

Geez, I have so many good things.

You know what?

Remind me tomorrow.

I've got, I wrote some stuff up over the weekend on Mom Dani and just haven't gotten around to it yet.

So I want to go into that tomorrow, and then we'll do that tomorrow night as well for television.

Also,

part one of our interview with Selena Zito on Butler.

I started listening to it on tape yesterday.

It is, she is such a good writer.

She is such a good writer, and she really captures.

the

red part of the country.

She really explains it in a way that I don't think anybody really,

I mean, unless you're living it, you don't understand it.

And that's one of the big problems.

I mean, we're going to talk to her about the killer or the attempted killer,

the guy who, the kid who tried to assassinate Donald Trump.

We're going to go into that tomorrow in hour number two of the podcast.

You mentioned a book about, you know, Selena's book

talks not just about that day, but also about the election broadly, right?

I haven't read it yet.

Yeah.

And the assassination attempt.

And the assassination attempt.

It's out today.

There's been several books, of course, that have talked about this.

They're not going to have the same perspective as Sylvia.

She was four feet away.

She was down on the ground with an agent on top of her, looking at the president, having an agent on top of him, and she could hear him talk to the agents.

That's incredible.

It's incredible.

The cover of the book is a picture she took, right?

I think, from right behind the president before the shooting.

Amazing.

I think.

Yeah, her daughter, I think, took that.

Her daughter, yeah.

Okay, so

let me give you a story, a little bit of a story of another book as well.

This one's coming out, and it's more on the realm of, we've seen a couple of these books that came from, we talked to one author from The Hill who came on early.

There's the Jake Tapper book that came out.

There's another book that's the same type of thing, looking at the entire election.

This is from a reporter from the New York Times, the Washington Post, and I think the Wall Street Journal.

So the guy we love.

Three different reporters.

No, three different reporters working together from those three institutions.

so yeah again

certainly extremely left even the wall street journal the editorial page is not right but actually the wall street journal is the most leftist out of those three of the news reporters yeah yeah there's been studies that have shown that yeah so this is an incredible anecdote from this though i believe this uh the reporting comes from axios from about this book tyler pager one of the authors of the guy from the new york times he got a hold of Joe Biden's cell phone number as they're putting this together.

Now, again, this is another book that kind of shows and talks about the

cognitive decline and stuff that went on.

So, they reached out to Joe Biden on March 25th when he had been out of office for a couple of months to ask questions about the book.

Because Donald Trump is constantly answering random calls from reporters.

He does this all the time.

I mean, it's like it's probably one of his favorite things to do, amazingly.

I love it.

This is

what the book says.

Biden said he would be willing to speak for this book the next day, the authors write.

The next morning, he answered and said he was running late to catch a train.

He said he had a very negative view of Trump's second term.

I don't see anything that he's done that's been productive, he said.

Asked if he has any regrets about dropping out of the presidential race, he said, no, not now.

I don't spend a lot of time on regrets.

He quickly hung up and got on the train.

After the first call, the book continues, furious Biden aides repeatedly called and texted the journalist.

After the brief second call, his aides blocked the reporter's calls to the former president.

Two days later, a message from Verizon Wireless replaced Biden's voicemail.

The number you have dialed has been changed, disconnected, or is no longer in service.

So,

again, a New York Times reporter, not Glenn Beck.

A New York Times reporter.

I mean, you're not favorable towards Biden.

There's no secret there.

This is a New York Times reporter who calls calls and says, hey, we want to ask you some questions about the book.

He agrees, answers again, and then just blows him off and, I don't know, maybe fakes a train or is really getting on a train.

And then AIDS.

The former president.

Yeah.

Help me out.

The former president is

getting on Amtrak.

Getting on an Amtrak.

That's like Fox Joe.

Yeah, it is.

And then the reporter...

then gets harassed by aides who are apparently still working for Joe Biden.

These same people that were, by the the way, responsible for hiding all of this

in the first place.

And then they disconnect his cell phone.

I mean, because one reporter is making phone calls to the former president, you're disconnecting his cell phone.

I would assume a lot of people had it.

But apparently, that's enough to just get just one call from a reporter is enough to get your cell phone disconnected if you're a former president.

And look at the difference.

What are they hiding?

What are they hiding?

Everything.

Everything.

You know, what's amazing to me is what Donald Trump has done.

He is such a genius.

What he has done by answering everybody's questions is he's completely cut the evening news and CNN and everything out.

You know, it used to be that the president wouldn't talk to reporters.

You'd have to wait for these press conferences.

Okay.

And Joe Biden had none.

And nobody said anything.

But every time they would, every president I've ever seen, they've only had 63 press conferences in the last 63 days, you know, and there's never enough.

Donald Trump has invited people into the Oval Office, which they always do.

They take pictures and then they escort him out.

And he'll just sit there while he's working, signing stuff, and he'll just take 45 minutes of questions all the time.

What does that mean?

Why do I have to go to CNN to hear speculation about what he's probably thinking and what he hasn't answered.

I'm hearing him asked and answered all of these questions every single day.

He's cut the news completely out.

You just go right directly to the source, him.

And like, in a way, it's disarmed all the typical attacks against a president because he's always out there talking.

He's always out there, you know, you might argue,

saying things that the media would find controversial, right?

He's always saying things that would light the media on fire.

Like, I love my country.

I know.

It's terrible.

But I mean, what's interesting about it is it's almost a lesson learned by social media.

I remember very early in your career, to bring up a memory that you're not going to love,

you were writing on the chalkboard, and in the middle of a word, you stopped and started a new thought and then sort of came back to the word.

And in that process,

in that process, you misspelled the word.

So you're Mr.

Teacher on a chalkboard, and you're almost doing a

Dan Quayle, right?

Misspell the word.

That was the accusation.

I'm a horrible speller, anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Well, but at the time, that was really rare to see a public official, a guy on TV, misspelling a word somehow on TV.

And so the left went crazy with it, and everyone went, you know, tried to make it into this big deal and say how stupid you were.

Now, in reality, when you watch the video, you could tell you're in the middle of spelling the word.

You kind of stop, you turn back to the camera, you start talking in, you join the word kind of mid-thought, and you just missed a letter, you know, in the process.

Whatever.

It didn't make any difference.

Now,

everybody has seen everyone misspell nine zillion words on social media.

Everyone sees it every day.

And, like, in a way, this is what's happened with Trump.

And that, like, at the beginning, he would say something like when he said, you know,

when he was criticizing John McCain, I remember when he first did that.

I remember thinking, oh my gosh, like, this is going to be huge.

It was a huge scandal for a few days.

But now there's been nine zillion things.

And the zone is flooded.

And he's doing this in a way with reporters.

He's out there telling them stuff every day.

All of them want it to be the biggest story in the world, but it can't be because there's a new one that just happened.

And he's figured out this strategy, almost applying the lessons of social media in a way, and obviously he's excellent at social media as well.

And he's being able to sort of disarm this completely.

There are no controversial statements from Donald Trump because the left finds all of them controversial and they always say it.

And you roll your eyes and you move on with your life.

And his constant communication with the people has disarmed their power.

It really

worked.

It's worked

very well.

It has.

Look at the difference of the power of the press and that's not just because they discredited themselves and everything else.

And not just because of social media's power, but because he has put the final nail in their coffin.

The next president comes up, and if he's back to doing traditional press conferences, it will go back to that.

But because he doesn't do the tradition, he does them, but then he also does all of these.

You know, I'm just going to answer.

I'm on my way to the bathroom.

Anybody want to come with me in the hallway?

We can answer questions.

I mean, he's just constantly answering questions.

So he's disarmed that entirely.

Yeah.

And it's amazing.

We did a

show, I don't know, a couple of months ago.

And I was like, you and Pat were on it.

I was like, hey, like, here's a story that we normally would have paid attention to, and we haven't even mentioned.

And we guys were trying to guess guess it, and then I was saying, it's actually that there was a brand new anchor of NBC Nightly News.

Oh, that's right.

Remember that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was like, I don't know, maybe two months ago,

something like that, maybe a month and a half ago.

And so I was,

we did that on the air and talked about it.

And like, we didn't even know who the person was.

And we just kind of joked about it.

It's like, how irrelevant is the media?

Still haven't seen it.

So I was on with Megan Kelly last week, and the media came up, and we were talking, and that same thought popped into my head.

And I said the same thing to her: like, you know, did you even know there was a new anchor of NBC Nightly News?

And she goes, Oh, really?

Who is it?

Now, Megan's on top of this stuff.

She follows the media stuff really, really closely.

She hadn't even heard.

And that was, I don't know, four to six weeks.

And it just makes the point that these people

don't matter anymore.

They're no longer germane to the conversation.

That's a, I mean, I think overall a very good thing.

So here's who does matter now.

However,

You know, if you look at what's coming out, for instance,

you look at what's coming out about how Donald Trump had cut the budget and fired people at Noah.

And so all these kids died in this flood in Texas because Donald Trump.

And we're not going to, I had somebody in my life actually say to me yesterday, he's going to destroy Noah.

We will not, he's making it, so we will not know if there's any storms coming anywhere in the country.

Be a fascinating approach for a man who owns multiple coastal properties in Florida.

Wouldn't it?

Wouldn't it?

No, but he just doesn't care.

And what is happening is people are just taking it from news feeds, okay, in their social media.

And these,

and I would say this about any of us, you should not take anything from me and not check it Okay,

but if you are if you are listening to the Sierra Club

You should know even if they're on your side It's the Sierra Club

You know if if I get something from the GOP and you know They're not really on my side and I'm not really on their side But you would think that I could get something from the GOP and I would believe it.

I don't I don't.

And neither should you.

If you are on the left, you shouldn't believe something that's coming coming from the DNC.

You shouldn't believe any of this stuff.

Right.

That's where your weakness is, right?

Yes.

You know, I always find that,

you know, you try to check everything.

It's hard to do.

I always try to enter a story with a skeptical eye to make sure, you know, I'm not falling for something that, you know, I have priors.

I have prior beliefs, and I want to make sure I'm not caught by my priors.

The things that I believe, though, most frequently are going to be when the left says something that I agree with.

Yes.

Right.

I'm much more apt apt to say, oh my gosh, wow, they're backing up something that I already agree.

Or when someone on my side says, actually, the left is right on this one.

Yeah.

I'm much more apt to believe that.

When it's someone that I trust, you know, that normally is right and normally agrees with me, and then they're like, actually, on this one, you should check because

I'm much more apt to be like, whoa, I better look at this, right?

You know, when I hear a person on the left say the left thing, like, you know, it could be true, but it's not a good idea.

And the same thing with the right.

And the same thing with the right.

And I think a lot of times people, that's where the weakness is.

Like, if you're on the right and someone on the right says something, it is, you're like, oh, I'm going to go along with that because it's agreeing with me and I trust that person.

It's important to look at some of that stuff skeptically.

You know, you have to be able to

try to spot that idea.

It is also, you know, I get something from the Heritage Foundation, which, you know, I like the Heritage Foundation.

So I get something from the Heritage Foundation.

I'm just making this up, using it as an example.

I get something from the Heritage Foundation.

I am not going to quote the Heritage Foundation.

I will say to a friend i just saw this from the heritage foundation look at this and i will use that to back up my side of the argument after i've done my own homework to make sure that the heritage foundation is right about that yeah you know what i mean because especially if you're using it as an argument i use the heritage foundation nobody's going to believe me on the heritage foundation from the left and i'm not going to believe you because you listen to the sierra club

no that doesn't there's no benefit of that there's no benefit of that if you can find something that's in the Heritage Foundation report, and then it might lead you down a road that might help you with a source that they're more friendly to.

Correct.

That's a helpful correct.

But again, people have jobs and lives.

You know what I mean?

Like,

and a lot of people just don't.

Then you should zip it.

Then you should zip it and just say, this is what I think I know.

Tell me where you think I'm wrong and let me look it up.

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Who's on tomorrow?

We have Selena Zito, and who else

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Chris Ruffo's got a great story.

Oh.

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I've got something to say about that because did you hear about what happened to the Times readers?

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All on tomorrow's program.