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I mean, besides the people who actually own all the office buildings in New York, they were a little freaked out yesterday.

I'll I'll tell you about that.

Well, okay, them and the 100 million dead.

You know,

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the New Yorkers did something something that I don't even know they really understood what they just did.

You know, they produced not a liberal in the traditional sense, more of a communist, more of a radical, more of a,

I don't know, kind of maybe a Hamas-light kind of guy.

Do you know after the election yesterday or the day before?

Do you know

what happened to the word communism on Google?

It just like shot through the the roof.

Everybody's like, why is communism?

Oh, you just elected one.

Now's the time to look that up.

Sure.

Uh-huh.

I was reading about this guy last night.

It's crazy.

He openly praised a communist mayor in India.

She's

a 21-year-old girl.

And he said in 2020, he posted this

girl and said,

what does a good New York City mayor look like?

Like this.

And it's this 21-year-old girl.

She's backed by the Communist Party of India.

She's a Marxist, a communist, openly.

She

romanticizes revolution and centralizes control under the illusion of service.

I like this one.

She has volunteers that she's put together called red volunteers.

And they're not campaign aides.

They patrol the streets.

Oh!

That's good.

That's what the mayor of New York, the possible new mayor of New York is saying is a good thing.

They enforce public behavior.

They operate outside of formal legal systems.

They're not city staff, and they're party loyalists.

So you got that one party loyalist, which is great because she's also staffing everybody who

is loyal to the Communist Party.

See, that's the one thing the communists don't like in the end is anybody who disagrees with them.

The winner of the primary, he didn't just admire her youth.

He really loves her politics.

You know, if you're a working person, you, you know, you have a business, you like food on your table, hey, you might want to wake up, you know, because

I don't think this is just New York.

This is going to happen all across the country.

And finally, I say finally, we're going to get it, but be careful what you wish for because we haven't seen the economy really turn.

The average person is still really hurting.

And while Donald Trump has made some really good inroads on things, generally speaking, they have been global in nature.

And he really needs to juice this economy.

And if the big, beautiful bill, the main thing in that that he needs is that permanent tax cut.

If that doesn't happen, it's a disaster.

Disaster.

So let me get back to New York.

They have been bleeding wealth.

They have had $14 billion in income vanish since 2020.

$2 trillion in managed assets are rumored to be next.

Now, that's not the rich being greedy.

They're being rational.

When a city even toys with the idea of a city-run grocery store, punitive taxes, cultural purge of enterprise, capital doesn't sit around and argue.

It just leaves.

It just leaves.

It's like, okay, well,

I'm not going to stay here.

Now, let me show you what happened just yesterday that nobody's paying attention to.

And you need to.

I shouldn't say nobody.

The Wall Street people are watching this.

You need to because this is a massive, massive signal.

On Wall Street, there's the called the Real Estate Investment Trust.

And what they are is these groups that own and manage all the office properties,

you know, and they lease all of the space in New York.

Now, the people who invest in

those properties, they worry about occupancy trends, rental rates,

you know, remote work, crime perception, the migration of business and capital out of the city.

They know that office occupancy is already at near record highs.

Haven't hit the Great Depression yet, but near record highs of 25% in Manhattan already.

Interest rates are high.

Their buildings are becoming worth less and less and less because nobody's staying in New York.

Because of crime, taxes, business flight to Florida and Texas and elsewhere.

Yesterday, what happened?

There was a double-digit drop among that group, which is well beyond typical.

It ranks among the largest single-day percentage drop, significantly worse than most down days, and only really rivaled by COVID.

You know, COVID, when people who owned buildings went, holy crap, no one's going to be able to use this building or pay for this building for God only knows how long.

Yeah, that's the only time it's been beaten in this drop.

Why?

Because

they didn't have to look up communism.

They know what communism is.

Let me look at history here.

Let me just show you some history.

This is going to boggle your mind.

What is the American city that has done this before?

Well, let's look west, young man.

Let's go to Seattle.

Seattle,

I mean,

it was the Emerald City.

Engineers, creatives, financiers, waterfront towers, great housing, just a great place to live.

Then the city handed itself over to a woman named Kashama Swant.

She was a self-described socialist, a democratic socialist, aka communist.

She was elected in 2013, and that's when things in Seattle started to smell like the streets of San Francisco.

Her policies immediately attacked private property, demonized profit, treated the police as an enemy of the people.

She praised, just like the candidate in New York, she praised the global intifada, not as a metaphor, but as a model.

And what does that mean?

That has nothing to do with the Middle East.

That means you are the Jews.

America is Israel.

And it has to be stopped at all costs.

So get them.

Okay?

It doesn't mean, it has nothing to do with Israel.

It has everything to do with oppressed people rising up and taking to the streets and just burning it all down.

Under her influence, businesses closed, property values fell through the floor, and Chaz, the so-called Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, was allowed to form.

Well, that was a dream come true, wasn't it?

Police were told, you don't go in there, you have to retreat.

And this once great American city just ceded territory to an ideology.

When that happened, all the capital started to go away.

Amazon started saying, I don't know if we're going to stay here.

Microsoft, I'm not sure if we're going to stay here.

Everybody, Seattle's decline accelerated.

today there are homes around Lake Washington which used to sell within minutes of somebody even whispering that it could be sold okay that it was up for sale they're now sitting idle there are all kinds of property around Lake Washington that should

would have sold immediately wouldn't they wouldn't have to go on the market Many of them are not on the open market because nobody wants people to know they're getting out of Seattle.

So what happens?

What happens when this scales?

Well, let me just show you what happened.

Without communism, just with democratic policies, let me show you.

What does a collapsing city actually look like?

Because this is what's coming to New York.

This is what's coming to America if we don't stand up and wake up.

So let me start in Detroit.

Do you know in 1962, America was known as America's greatest city?

It was the center.

It was the arsenal of democracy.

It was crazy great.

1962.

1962 was also the last year that they had a Republican mayor.

Since then, the city has become just a case study in decay.

Blight swallowed all the neighborhoods.

Crime replaced the commerce.

In 2013, Detroit declared the largest municipal bankruptcy in history.

Now, that's Detroit.

Now, let me take you to St.

Louis.

Republican leadership there ended in 1949.

Today, it is one of the worst and most violent cities in the Western world.

Baltimore.

Do you know Baltimore has never been

under Republican control in the modern era?

Not once.

New Orleans, Democratic control since Reconstruction.

And Pete, look at those cities.

They're all just beautiful cities, aren't they?

Let me expand the list.

Here are the 15 most blighted cities in America.

Detroit, last GOP mayor, 1962.

Flint, Michigan, no GOP mayor ever.

Baltimore, no GOP mayoral control in the modern time.

Cleveland, Ohio, the last GOP mayor was 1989.

St.

Louis, last GOP mayor, 1949.

New Orleans, no GOP mayoral control.

Youngstown, Ohio, no GOP mayoral control.

Camden, nah, nu-uh.

Hadn't been there for a long, long time.

Philadelphia, can't even find it.

Memphis, no GOP mayoral control.

Jackson, Mississippi, same.

Buffalo, New York, same.

Pittsburgh, same.

Cincinnati, the last GOP mayor, early 20th century, Milwaukee, nope, it's the same.

Each one of these cities ruled for decades, even as much as over a century by one party, and each of them in various stages of collapse.

Now, let me compare.

Let me compare and contrast.

Let me see if, hello, New York, maybe you can pay attention to this.

Those cities that have Republican-led or governed with center-right principles, are the statistics the same?

Well, let me just show you.

Democratic-controlled cities, forever.

Republican-controlled cities, basically forever.

Unemployment rate in Democratically controlled cities, 6.5 to 8.5%.

Republican, 3.4 to 4.2%.

Violent crime per 100,000.

Democratic cities, 1,500 to 2,000.

Republicans, 390 to 775.

Population change over the last 10 years.

Democrats decline 3 to 6%.

Why?

Growth in Republican areas,

8 to 12%.

In Democratically run areas and cities, the debt per taxpayer, $20,000 to $57,000.

That means every taxpayer, taxpayer you want to pay off the debt for the city,

you got to write a check for $57,000.

Every single taxpayer.

In Republicans, you'd have to write a

$1.9 thousand dollar check, so $1,900 or $3,100 compared to $57,000.

Homelessness per 10,000 people, 26 to 35 in Democrats, 9 to 21 in Republican city.

Graduation rate, rate, 75 to 78% in Democratic cities.

Republicans, 87 to 90.

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So while everybody in New York, after they voted for a communist, go on Google and like, what's communism?

Thank God you know what it is.

I just showed you the stats.

I mean, it's a wonder why these cities, I mean, how do you keep making the same mistake over and over again?

How do you not try something new?

That's the definition of insanity.

You want to talk about a mental health problem in America?

There it is.

Go to the major cities and look how they vote, year after year after year after year, and nothing changes.

Okay, so I just just said, you know, these stats

and what the mayor of New York or the possible mayor of New York is now suggesting he's going to do.

When I said they don't shout, these things whisper.

I want you to understand that destruction,

when it comes dressed in ideology, that's when it's really dangerous.

It rarely comes dressed in fireworks.

It comes in policies passed under the, now listen to this carefully, under the cover of compassion.

It comes in tax hikes that are just, you know, not there to help the little person and, you know, and to target only the rich.

In regulations that are passed because we have to protect.

It's in the quiet shuttering of businesses that no longer see a future.

These are not tanks in the streets.

They're forms and fees.

headlines and hashtags.

It whispers because shouting would give the game away.

If the American public truly saw in one violent burst what these trends mean, a $56,000 debt per taxpayer in Detroit,

violent crime rates that rival failed states, population decline, not from war, but from policy.

We have refugees from New York.

We have refugees from California.

If you saw that in one burst, people would revolt.

But when collapse comes by degrees, oh, you can ignore it, and they're counting on that.

You can rationalize it.

You can politicize it.

And those with power, they prefer it that way.

Tyranny doesn't usually come in the front door and just kick the door down.

It draws the blinds.

It dims the lights a bit.

Turns down the thermostat one degree at a time.

It whispers destruction.

Because if it shouted, the country might wake up

these stats what's happening on our streets what is coming because our school our school whispered these lies to our children our schools never taught what communism really is our kids ask them what civics what civics are what are civics They won't have any idea.

None.

Do you even know what civics civics are?

Yesterday I told you about the torch.

I told you that in January I am starting something new.

I'll still be doing radio and I'll still be doing this, but I am on a new mission

and I am wildly motivated.

to do this.

We will not survive if we don't know civics.

We will not survive if we don't know what communism is.

We will not survive if we don't know why this country is worth saving.

Right now, can your kids defend America?

And I don't mean with a gun.

Can they meet somebody on the street and actually defend it and hold their own?

Actually win the argument with facts, not with shouting, not with signs, not with Molotov cocktails, but with facts.

I highly doubt it.

I highly doubt it.

We have got to change this

because

it's whispered lies for decades now to us and our children.

And you're seeing it all, we're seeing the United States as rotted fruit on the tree and it is about to drop into the hands of very bad tyrants.

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You know, the good thing is the

possible next mayor from New York, Mandani, is, I mean, at least he's not a fraud.

Have you seen?

I want to welcome Jason Buttrell in with us.

He is our head researcher and writer on the program for the TV program, the Wednesday night specials.

Have you seen all of the

videos of him just using different accents?

It's like a cartoon character almost.

I agree.

Really is.

I mean, you know, we have seen this.

The Democrats have this thing that they just like to do accents.

It's the weirdest thing.

But here's the

here's NBC News asking him about the several different accents that he uses when he's around, you know, people with accents.

Listen.

Because I think that New Yorkers, more than they hate a politician they disagree with, they hate a politician they can't trust.

On the subject of trust, you've adopted different speaking accents in different scenarios.

But they go to their local bodega.

Is there one that's real and one that's affected?

What I would say is, as any immigrant knows, having been born in Kampala, Uganda and then raised in South Africa and moving here when I'm seven years old, is there different parts of my life?

Worldwide Tor is a worldwide tour, is a worldwide tour.

Mamdani was talking about a worldwide press tour back when he was a rapper.

Bring the flavor to the fish, bring the flavor to the rice, bring the flavor to the rice.

In a Disney movie directed by his mother.

Nepotism and hard work goes a long way here in New York City.

This is how I speak.

It goes a long way.

Unless I'm running for mayor, then I no longer talk like this.

What a fraud.

He was channeling.

He was like channeling the Simpsons in some of those.

Actually, channeling The Simpsons.

I am Abu.

I don't know.

Anyway.

So then, if that's not bad enough, here's what he said.

If Benjamin Netanyahu ever comes to New York City, cut 12.

A mayor Mumdani, would you welcome Prime Minister Netanyahu to New York City

for whatever he comes for, given the U.S.

is not a signatory to the ICC.

So he can travel to the U.S., unlike a lot of other countries.

Would a mayor Mumdani welcome Benjamin Netanyahu to the city?

No.

As mayor, New York City would arrest Benjamin Netanyahu.

This is a city that our values are in line with international law.

It's time that our actions are also.

Even though the U.S.

is not a signatory to the ICC.

No, it's time that we actually step up and make clear what we are willing to do to showcase the leadership that is sorely missing in the federal administration.

Unbelievable.

So, the guy will not enforce the U.S.

laws.

You know, he'll,

there's no bail.

Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it.

We're going to get rid of those minimum sentencing things.

And if you're here illegally, don't worry.

But if Benjamin Netanyahu comes, who is in violation apparently of the international court that nobody really recognizes,

we've got to stand up for the law.

We've got to do it.

Oh, my God.

It's going to be interesting to see how this all works out there, isn't it?

And by the way,

you should look communism up if you don't know what it is.

And Islamicism.

You know, he's an Islamist as well.

So that's really good.

And when they say we're going to globalize the

intifada, I want you to really understand.

I'm going to say this.

I'm going to try to be like a cuckoo clock every 15 minutes just saying this until people really get it.

When they say globalize the intifada, they don't mean talk about Israel everywhere in the world.

What they mean is

attack the Western world.

The Western world is as bad as Israel.

So get them.

It means your country, if you're in the West, is Israel to them.

And you are a Jew to them.

That's what that means.

It doesn't mean, you know what, we should hold,

we should hold some conferences to talk about what's happening in Israel.

That's not what globalized the intifada means.

Am I wrong, Jason?

No, and this is crazy because usually, Glenn, when you make a prediction, like when you say something crazy, like communists, radicals, you know, Islamists will work together, usually they don't deliver the mascot of your prediction and make them mayor of a major U.S.

city.

Like it's crazy.

It's crazy.

It's a mascot.

It's crazy.

Right.

And you know what?

And here is the, here's the amazing thing is the media is still complicit with all of us, with all of this.

Let me play what

we have been arguing about.

Some have been arguing about Tulsi Gabbard saying, you know,

there's no evidence that Iran is making a bomb.

You've heard that.

Let me play the audio that was in the press over the last few weeks.

Here it is.

Cut eight, please.

The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon, and Supreme Leader Khomeini has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003.

The IC continues to monitor closely if Tehran decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons program.

Okay.

Now, just for any of you who believed that, because I heard that from conservatives, Tulsi Gabbard, even Tulsi Gabbard said, there's nothing here.

Well, let's not take it out of context, shall we?

Let's listen to her full statement.

See if it sounds a little different.

Cut seven.

Iran continues to seek expansion of its influence in the Middle East, despite the degradation to its proxies and defenses during the Gaza conflict.

Iran has developed and maintains ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and UAVs, including systems capable of striking U.S.

targets and allies in the region.

Tehran has shown a willingness to use these weapons, including during a 2020 attack on U.S.

forces in Iraq and in attacks against Israel in April and October 2024.

Iran's cyber operations and capabilities also present a serious threat to U.S.

networks and data.

The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon, and Supreme Leader Khomeini has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003.

The IC continues to monitor closely if Tehran decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons program.

In the past year, we've seen an erosion of a decades-long taboo in Iran on discussing nuclear weapons in public, likely emboldening nuclear weapons advocates within Iran's decision-making apparatus.

Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons.

Iran will likely continue efforts to counter Israel and press for U.S.

military withdrawal from the region by aiding, arming, and helping to reconstitute its loose consortium of like-minded terrorists and militant actors, which it refers to as its axis of resistance.

Although weakened, this collection of actors still presents a wide range of threats, including to Israel's population, U.S.

forces deployed in iraq and syria and to u.s and international military and commercial shipping and transit oh wait hold it just a second um that sounded like the opposite of of what the media was saying am i wrong on that jason no and that was very typical in what you see from intelligence circles where they give one

you know they give one explanation where she's talking about you know well we haven't seen the ayatollah publicly come out and say yes we're building a a nuclear weapon.

Yes, that's obvious.

That's the first part.

And that's the only thing that the media was talking about, what, a couple weeks ago.

Then you get the second part where she's like, yeah, but enriching all this uranium, I don't know what else could that be.

Who else goes beyond 60% enrichment for uranium?

Gee, I wonder what they're moving towards.

So there was part of it supplied to give diplomatic cover.

The second part, which was the obvious, they're moving towards a nuclear weapon.

So

isn't it true that

what the media did here last week

with all the panikins is

the

briefings, correct me if I'm wrong, you would know this.

The briefings, if I'm asking for a briefing on something,

the way a president or the way these

research papers come down for full briefings with the intelligence community is you get three scenarios.

You get the best case, you get the most likely, and then you get the worst case.

And when all these leaks came out last week saying, no, they don't have any possibility of having, there's nothing there, you were only getting one of the three reports.

Is that right?

You're the only single person I've heard talk about that with any kind of factual information on how the intelligence community really works.

Well, I don't have it.

Maybe you do.

Maybe you have the actual fact.

That's my understanding of it.

You give me the actual facts on it.

So basically after Iraq, the intelligence community moved away from, before what we would say is, Mr.

President, this is in the Oval Office, Mr.

President, we have a 90% probability that there are weapons of mass destruction within Saddam Hussein's regime.

Well, that backfired.

So now we're like, okay, we're going to stop doing that.

We're going to change the way we deliver some of this information.

So let's put it in the context of today in the nuclear weapons.

We now give a low probability, which is what you heard on CNN, the New York Times.

They'll give you a low probability.

That's all you heard.

That's all you heard.

That's all you heard.

That's just the low probability.

So they'll be like, okay, so there's a low probability that we did nothing, that all we did was cause a cave-in.

Why do they give the low probability?

Well, they want the president to have options.

So if he wants to respond to if that ends up being correct,

then they can respond in turn.

But then they also give two more.

They'll give a moderate probability of what they think might have happened.

Then they'll give another probability, which is mostly destroyed nuclear

programs set back back three to 10 years or whatever.

Now, it could be either one of those three.

And it's to give options, but what happened was some partisan, someone that wants to derail all this, which we need to find out who it was within the intelligence community or within the staff.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with that.

We need to find out.

You know what?

That will happen right after we put the people with the autopen in jail.

Right.

They can sit next to the SCODIS leaker, you know, as well.

Maybe we'll find that one out.

Exactly, right.

But yeah, they need to find that person because they just delivered purely for partisan reasons, purely to derail, they gave that to CNN in the New York Times.

That's how ridiculous this is.

And I know somebody at CNN of the New York Times knows how the IC really works.

So one of them knows.

One of them said, This is not really correct.

There's a couple of other options they probably gave.

We just didn't get it yet.

They didn't even bother telling us about that.

It's such crap.

This is, you know, we

try, and

I think we're going to get much better at it

because I'm just going to focus

in January.

We really try to give you

the perspective that you need to understand these things.

If you didn't know that,

you would be wrestling with who's lying to me then?

The intelligence community says they didn't destroy anything.

That

nothing happened.

So why is the president lying?

Or why is the military lying?

Or why is the media lying?

Well, it turns out the media and somebody in the government are lying to you because they're doing it through omission.

Not commission, omission, which is just as bad.

There is more information.

There's two other possibilities.

They have to give three.

And you only heard one and it was presented to you as that's the official stance.

It's not.

It's not.

Now, who leaked that?

What was their intent?

Why did they leak it?

Why did no one in the media who I know there are Jason's in other media outlets or there should be people who have intelligence backgrounds.

How come, how come they haven't talked about it?

How come they didn't stand up in their own

company and go, wait a minute, guys, this is not right?

And if they did, who stopped it from being changed?

And why?

If we are going to restore our country, we have to restore trust.

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There is such a thing as the truth.

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how degraded the nuclear capability is?

I don't know.

But I will will tell you, there's three scenarios.

Nothing.

We've sent them back for 10 years, or we've done some damage.

That's what you should have known.

There are three scenarios.

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I knew those three scenarios before you came into my office to brief me on those three scenarios.

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Until you have someone on the ground,

until you have somebody actually looking at the, well, you can't figure this out from space.

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So last night on the TV show,

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tried to expose the real threat that really nobody is talking about.

Everybody's talking about Israel, Israel, and that is a big threat.

I mean, sorry, Iran, and it is a big threat.

But it is spreading the political form of Israel,

gosh, of Iran, of Islam, Islamists.

It is spreading that threat all over the world.

And, you know,

I predicted years ago that

communists, radical leftists, Islamists would all work together to destroy Israel.

Then it would spread, go to Europe, it would destabilize Europe, then come to America, and its goal would be to destroy Western civilization.

Well, gang, we're watching it happen right now.

That is exactly what's happening.

And England is just a little ahead of us.

If it wasn't for Donald Trump, we would be right in there with England.

And especially when it comes to the silencing of people who stand up against it.

Somebody who's been standing up and ringing the bell, as any good watchman on the tower should do is melanie phillips she is a times of london columnist she's also the author of the builder stone and i had her on last night i wanted to bring her on t uh on the radio today and the podcast because i really want you to hear what is really happening in england

how concerned should you be in america especially with the trends that we now see in los angeles a couple of weeks ago and now with the new mayor who is an islamist or the mayoral candidate that the Democrats chose,

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Melanie is with the Times of London.

She's a columnist there.

She's also the author of The Builder's Stone.

And we were talking about the battle with Islamism last night.

Thank you for coming on, Melanie.

My pleasure.

Good to see you again, Glenn.

So explain first for anybody who doesn't understand the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist.

Well, there are people who say there is no difference, that Islam is one thing and that all Muslims are equally bad.

And I personally have used the term Islamism and have found it very helpful because I think that there are plenty of Muslims, certainly in Britain and elsewhere, who are absolutely fine, who have completely signed up to Western values.

That's indeed why they have chosen to live in the West.

They appreciate the freedoms of democracy and equality of women and so forth.

But there's a very large number in the Muslim community in Britain and around the West, elsewhere in the West, which is not fine.

These are what I would call Islamists or people who are

of the view that Islam is a political project, which means that they have to impose Islam on the non-Islamic and not Islamic enough by their life

world.

And those are the people who are presenting the problem which we are grappling with.

But I do think it's important to make a distinction between the two.

So the Islamist is somebody, I would compare them to a communist or a fascist, a Nazi, that it is their way or the highway, and their goal is to spread this ideology and make everybody uniform all around the world.

Is that too harsh of a comparison?

That's right.

No, that is absolutely right.

They divide the world into the realm of Islam, which is everything good.

And it's the realm of God in their view, and the realm of the infidel, the realm of non-Islam, where everything is bad and everything is of the devil.

And the terrible thing is this, that this is a doctrine of religious fanaticism.

They believe they have a literally sacred duty, a God-imposed duty to convert the entire world to Islam.

And consequently, these are people with whom you cannot negotiate.

One of the problems of the West has been that it views these people like everybody else in the world through the prism of the West.

They think that people in the West think that

people in the Islamic world are all like them, governed by reason and self-interest.

They really can't get their heads around in the West the idea that religious fanaticism is something completely different, that when

Islamic suicide bombers blow themselves to smithereens, they're not doing so from despair, which is what the West thinks.

The West thinks why on earth would they do that if they weren't in despair?

On the contrary, they're doing it because they are ecstatic that they are doing the work of God.

People also believe in the West.

You know, why would Islamists want to hurt us in America, in Britain?

We've done nothing to hurt them.

That's not the way it works.

The Islamists think that it's their sacred duty to convert everybody at the point of a...

well, at the end of a ton of

explosives

to Islam.

It's nothing to do with what the West has done to them.

It is how they exceed their sacred religious duty in the world.

That's the terrifying thing, which so many in the West, I think, just don't really appreciate.

Well, let me play devil's advocate here and say what everybody in the media would say to you.

Well, there are religious extremists that are Christians as well, and they're just as dangerous, Melanie, and you know it.

No, they're not as dangerous.

There are religious extremists who are Christians, and some of them resort to violent acts, but they

don't have the view that the entire world has to be dominated by their point of view, and they are not setting out to dominate the world.

And even if they are, in their own minds, they are a tiny fringe.

We're dealing with in the world of Islam, although, as I've said, we must be very careful not to tar all Muslims with the same brush.

However, the dominant religious authorities in the world of Islam are all committed to this jihadi outlook, this belief that the non-Islamic world has to be converted to Islam.

And that is the problem.

You have a kind of institutional

impetus behind this terrible thing.

Whereas extreme Christians, you know, they appear, they do terrible things, but nevertheless, it's it's well within our control our ability to control this um when you're dealing with so many millions of people in the world of islam uh who are out to destroy the free world you're dealing with something completely different

and isn't that why the countries ours yours europe are remaining silent and instead silencing those who are speaking up and speaking the truth i mean what's happening in england with the silencing of free speech is terrifying.

Yes, I think it's certainly a large part of it.

I mean, I have followed this for many years,

the

supine attitude of the governing class in Britain to what I would call the steady process of Islamization, which has been going on.

And I think there is more than one reason for that.

Certainly, the principal reason is fear, because the numbers are so great in absolute terms, the numbers who are posing a direct threat to Britain are enormous.

The Security Service says that of the people, of the thousands of people on its books as a direct threat to Britain, although Muslims compose comprise something like,

according to official figures, something like six percent of the population of Britain, the Security Service, MI5, says they compose ninety percent of those who are posing a such a serious threat that they're on their books.

So this is a terrible problem for sure.

And it's one that, just in terms of numbers, has spooked successive governments so that they run away from it.

But there's another reason why successive governments have run away from it, which is that the liberal world, by which I mean not just people who are like the Labour Party, which is in government now, but also the Conservative Party that preceded it, they've all signed up to the overarching kind of default liberal position that the West cannot assert its superiority over any other culture.

To do so is racist.

And therefore, you cannot criticize the world of Islam, because that is racist or, to use the other phrase, Islamophobic.

In other words, it's a kind of prejudice or bigotry to criticize a minority group, one that is held to have been oppressed in inverted commas

by the West for centuries.

And consequently, it's paralyzed because it cannot bring itself to even name what it's up against, because it tells itself that to say there is this very serious and unique problem in the Muslim community in Britain, in the Islamic world in general, that is a form of racism and Islamophobia.

And so the most most it will agree to is that there are a few crazes in that world.

And it then tries to explain those away in the most,

it would be comical were it not so dangerous.

It says, you know, when it comes to

Islamic extremism, well, there's nothing Islamic about it.

It's just extremism, as if it sort of arised out of a clear blue sky.

Right.

It's ludicrous by any standards.

But these are the tangles that they're getting themselves into.

Hi, Melody.

My name is Jason.

I'm one of Glenn's researchers.

And I've been fascinated, I guess, horrified by watching some of this.

And also just the fact that you cannot speak about any of this.

You're immediately shut down.

In America, we have groups that are partnering with the left, groups like the Council on Islamic, American Islamic Relations.

Do you have something similar over in the UK that's playing that role of pressuring people, pressuring lawmakers to where you will go this way, or you will not say things like like no-go zones or will there will be legal ramifications?

Well, we don't have something exactly parallel to care,

but we have Muslim Brotherhood-funded groups of which

the Muslim Council of Britain, which the British Home Office, the sort of security-based

government department,

has treated with a great deal of caution and disdain.

I think it has refused to negotiate or talk to it.

I'm not sure whether that is still the case.

But

there is a vast number of charities which are basically Muslim Brotherhood charities, which aren't touched

because the government refuses to ban the Muslim Brotherhood.

And I think this applies to America as well.

They refuse to ban the Muslim Brotherhood, partly because it's very difficult to get hold hold of it, as it were, because it's a secretive organization that hides behind apparently legitimate charities and voluntary groups.

But nevertheless,

it is very much there.

The people in those groups adhere to the teachings of

the foundational characters of modern-day Islamism, political Islam, jihadi Islam.

And there there are a number of people in Britain who have said for years, people are very well informed about this, who said for years that Britain should outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood.

It's absolutely essential to stop it from proselytizing, as it is from radicalizing, so many impressionable young Muslims.

And I think that's true of America too.

I mean, you know, CARE

is regarded as a kind of legitimate partner by the American by successive administrations in various respects.

Now, this is all disastrous, and that really has to stop.

Okay, let me take a one-minute break and then come back with you, Melanie.

And I just, I want to ask you,

how close to the edge are we?

I fear that we are getting to a place to where we're so complacent that we're going to lose, and you first, lose our rights to speak out against this.

And then, you know, that's going to sow

trouble on the streets.

And eventually, what happened to Iran just happens.

How does a great society that is Western and open and educated all of a sudden start putting their women in burqas?

It happened before and it looks like it's happening to Europe and England and could happen here in America.

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You're hearing Melanie Phillips.

She's a broadcaster on radio and TV, gives public presentations all across the English-speaking world.

She also writes a weekly column for the Times of London and

has written a book called The Builder's Stone.

Welcome back, Melanie.

How close to the edge is, let's just say, England,

to real civil unrest or a possible

1979 Iran kind of thing?

Do you see that in the cards at all?

I think there's still sufficient people in Britain who are authentically British, who have a sense of authentic British culture, which is a culture which has never resorted to violence unless its back is absolutely against the wall.

It's pretty tolerant, it's pretty mild, and it prefers to deal with stuff through the democratic process.

And I think that's kind of playing out now.

We've I mean,

certainly, when you say how close are we in general, I think that the West that Europe in general is extremely close to being submerged by all this, and so is Britain.

If you just look at the demographic projections,

I forget now quite which by which year, but basically in the next few decades,

various countries are going to have very, very significant Muslim minorities or even a Muslim majority.

So that is clearly you know a difficulty.

Things could be done

and I have some hopes that things will be done because although the elites, the political and cultural elites have their heads firmly turned the other direction,

nevertheless, we've seen the rise of so-called populist parties in Britain and Europe, which are parties, whether you like them or not, is not the issue.

Some of them are pretty obnoxious, but basically they're responding to the fact that millions and millions of ordinary decent people who want to live in a place that they feel is their homeland, they feel a connection to their nation, they want to feel pride in their nation, they want to feel that their nation's historic values are being upheld with people who share that common purpose.

Those people have felt completely abandoned and betrayed by the entire political establishment.

So we're seeing the rise of populists.

And I think, therefore, through the democratic process, we're going to see the election of people who are going to be much more robust.

Now what could they do?

There are things they could do because the Islamists have made the inroads they have because they have correctly perceived there is a vacuum.

It doesn't it's not happened so much in America, but in Britain in particular, has been the sort of Western world leader in being

post-moral, post-religious.

Britain is godless

by and large.

The Church, unlike in America, has not maintained a defense against the erosion of biblical based morality.

It has led the charge against it, amazing as that may seem.

And so if you have a vacuum and you have a society which tells itself it was born in the original sins of racism and colonialism, it won't defend itself.

It's open for conquest.

So there are various things that the West could do to defend itself.

Melanie, I'm out of time.

Thank you so much for talking to us again today.

You're a real beacon of light and courage, and I wish there were many more people like you.

Melanie Phillips.

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Hey, Sarah, do we have the Alexander Dugan audio clip that we found online yesterday?

Alexander Dugan, if you don't know who he is,

real, real, real dangerous person out of Russia.

He's Putin's brain.

He's the guy who came up with the strategy in Crimea for the takeover.

He is a religious zealot, although he is, I believe, atheist.

Am I right on that?

Jason, he's an atheist himself, isn't he?

That I don't know.

I think he would pick whatever he could if it would stir up the masses.

Yeah.

I mean, his symbol that he uses is the ancient symbol for chaos.

He has put the strategy together that brought Russia and Iran together.

He believes, you know, Russia is the rightful heir to the Roman Empire.

He believes the Orthodox Church needs to wipe out the other churches

and rule the world.

And he believes the only way they can do it is if we have a world war that will just, you know, blow everything up so we can start from scratch, because he believes everything from the Enlightenment forward, the Enlightenment

forward

has been a problem.

So he just wants to go back in time just a few hundred years.

You know, so that's, we got that going for us.

Here he is

yesterday online a clip that we found of him that he just put out.

Listen to what he's saying here.

The U.S.

airstrikes on Iran's nuclear facilities, the uranium enrichment plant at the Fordo complex, marks the beginning of World War III.

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Too many red lines have been crossed to the point that it's no longer clear whether any boundaries remain at all.

This directly concerns Russia as well.

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All weapons invented by humans have eventually been used.

Sergei Karaganov has been warning about this for a long time, but many dismissed him as an alarmist or someone who makes a mountain out of a molehill.

He was simply warning of the inevitable.

Okay, I want to get to, that's from the Sputnik Network.

I want to get into the production value, which is a very important thing that we're going to talk about here in just a second.

But first, Jason, what is he saying here?

As a military and

political affairs for global politics,

he's sounding to me like he's saying,

Nuclear war is inevitable now because the United States is just going after everybody and there's no rules anymore.

So here we go, nuclear war.

Am I reading that right?

Yeah, I mean, his point is kind of convoluted because he's trying to sound, he's trying to say, make the point that nuclear deterrence does not matter anymore because we struck a country and I guess eliminated their nuclear deterrence.

But the problem is Iran doesn't have a nuclear deterrence right now.

We're trying to stop them from having a nuclear deterrence.

So

he's kind of shoving that in a little beforehand.

Basically, Dugan, in the meta of what he believes, he's very, very pissed off because Iran was very integral into Russia's overall plans of establishing what they call the multipolar war.

And basically their little axis of resistance.

Explain what a multipolar war is.

Well,

you'll hear them talking about that a lot, actually.

They don't want to see the world dominated by the United States as it stands now.

They want to see what they call a multipolar world where there are multiple different powers within the world that are controlling their spheres of influence.

Now, even that is full of crap.

There's multiple layers of crap in what Dugan says,

but even that is loaded because what they want is their

multiple polars within the one big polar that controls the world.

So to them, it is Atlanticism versus

what was theirs called?

The people of the sea.

Yeah, we're the people of the sea and they're Eurasia.

Right.

Eurasianism.

And that's who they think has the, you know, the, you know, the God-given responsibility to control the world, you know, towards towards the end times.

But yeah, his point is very, very convoluted, but it's mostly he's seeing it unravel before his eyes with what's going on right now, and he's not too happy.

He's extraordinarily dangerous because he does believe in the end times, but he believes in it the way that the Iranians do, that they can hasten it.

He wants to hurry it up.

Let's hurry up.

Let's burn the whole world down because then good things will happen.

It's like, I don't, not sure that's what Christ meant,

you know, and he's like, hey, watch for these things.

You know, I don't think you were on the good side if you were like, let's burn the whole things down because he'll just come faster.

You're not on his side.

Now, the reason why I wanted to bring this up is not only did I find what he said disturbing, what I found equally or more so disturbing is he didn't say any of that.

That's AI.

And you can watch that and you'd have absolutely no idea that's not him.

Now, why is this important?

Jason.

Well,

before, only crackpots were really listening to Dugan.

He would have to like broadcast in a very, very thick Russian accent to crazy people on like college campuses and he would get sanctioned and it was a big deal.

Now he doesn't have to have the creepy Rasputin look with the creepy Rasputin like voice and freak everybody out.

Now he can just use AI and preach to the masses and sound very, very sane and very, very competent, which is crazy.

Yeah, notice he didn't.

Sometimes he's hard to understand.

He's got a heavy Russian accent.

Notice he didn't there.

And that can be translated now into any language, and it will be in his voice, and it will sound just like him.

And so now he can preach to the entire world.

Now,

dangerous, you bet.

However,

we have that ability now too.

Or...

Without saying too much,

we will soon,

to where

everything can be in any language you choose.

Any language you choose.

Yesterday I told you about the torch that we're going to concentrate on education.

That's not the only thing we're going to be doing.

This show is going to be able to be translated into any language

in the world.

You'll be able to translate it, clip it, send it,

and it will have me speaking the language as if that's almost my native tongue with an American accent.

And we don't do that to fool anybody.

We're putting things together that are watermarked so you will know what the difference is between really me and AI me.

And I highly recommend that everybody who is involved in AI does the same thing.

Make it very clear that this is AI or AI assisted.

You know, some ethics should probably go around, you know, the whole AI thing.

But not only that, but what I told you yesterday about our founding documents, we have worked a very long time and spent a lot of money.

I mean, these

we have we have purchased two of these enormous scanners that scan everything.

They take a picture of any page.

They

make it perfectly flat so that it can be viewed online, but also it will it will translate it into any language.

So once we scan anything into

the into the system, you'll be able to say, you could be in Mexico and say, your friends all speak Spanish and you're like, no, you don't understand.

Here's what the founder said.

You can go to the torch and you'll be able to

ask the question and it will all be vectored so you don't have to ask it exactly.

You know how you go to some of these museums and the National Archives and you have to know exactly what you're looking for.

It's not going to be like that.

You can ask it in plain language and it will find it and you can say, I'm trying to understand this for my friend.

They speak Spanish.

Can you translate these documents into Spanish for them?

And it will.

We are on the verge of radical advancement and we cannot allow the left and the bad guys.

to dominate.

There is a period of time.

It could be a very short period of time.

I don't know.

But

I think even if it is a short period of time,

it's worth my fortune to try to

develop these things, to be able to use them, even if it is a short period of time, because it can make a very huge impact in a short period of time if we all decide to use it, if we all...

you know,

understand the tool that we are about to be handed.

It is the most powerful tool.

I was just talking to somebody who is probably one of the,

I wouldn't know how to describe him.

He's probably one of the more influential people in media of all type.

And I was having dinner with him and I

said,

what are you doing on AI?

And he said,

I'm not sure.

It is.

It's the most powerful tool ever invented.

And he said, it is going to transform things, but it also has the power to absolutely destroy.

And I said, you're right.

And I said, I, you know, I told him what I was working on and I said,

I think we have a short window here.

And, you know, if we're lucky, you know, it doesn't destroy everything

because we can make an impact with it.

But we have to,

we cannot stand on the sidelines and let others just dictate, you know, history to our kids because the left is now teaching history and using AI, and they're going to do that.

And

you can't trust, you know, I asked ChatGPT for some help on some research over the weekend, and it came back with garbage, absolute garbage, because it was beyond its parameters, can't say those things, can't research those things.

I can't tell you the truth about Islamists.

I can't do that.

I can't tell you what's really happening in Europe because, and this is almost a quote, because it could be used to distort what's really happening.

Well, yeah, it could be anything can be used to distort what's really happening.

Why are there no go zones there?

We cannot allow this to just be owned by

the left because Dugan is using it.

We must find really positive ways to do it and use it ourselves.

Look what, Jason, if you look what they were able to do with Dugan, just imagine they can have, look who the mayor might be in New York City.

They could have a real look, looking Karl Marx for curriculum, teaching in a childlike way communism.

They could easily do that today.

I mean,

Jason, do you remember what I told you in January?

One of the first things I want to launch with?

Yes.

Yeah.

You hopefully will be able to do this by January.

If not, it'll be a few months past.

I can't tell you now because,

but

I hope to launch with something that will be so jaw-dropping and you will see the power of AI and you will understand its

if it's used for evil,

how evil and how fast will be swallowed up or how it could be used for good, and how fast and how quickly we can heal things.

But anyway, we're going to ask you to join us on the torch as we approach January.

We'll give you more details, but sign up to be the first to know at glenbeck.com.

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So just join that now at Glenbeck.com.

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You know, I remember,

I don't even know how many years ago,

I had been looking for people who were actual ethicists

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And when you did find them, they were a little sketchy, in my opinion.

And then I met Tristan Harris.

He is now at the Center for Humane Technology.

He's a co-founder of that.

And

he used to work for Google until he kind of realized the same thing I did.

This is kind of sketchy.

Should we slow down just maybe a little bit?

And he is one of the leading voices on what is coming next.

And he just did a,

there's an article out on one of his TED talks, um the narrow path why ai is our ultimate test and greatest invention and it's packed with some things in there that i had not heard said this way and it's a little it's a little sobering um and he i wanted to have him go through this and then have him talk a little bit about you know the current push in congress to ban ai regulation at the state level I understand why they want to do that, but I don't think it's, again, that seems a little sketchy.

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How are you?

Good to be with you, Glenn.

Always good to be with you.

Always good to be with you.

So can you

take me through the TED Talk that you gave?

In particular,

one of the things that jumped out is the CEO of Anthropic

saying

that AI is like a country of geniuses housed in a data center.

Explain that.

Yeah.

So this is a quote from

Dario Amadai, who is CEO of Anthropic.

Anthropic is one of the leading AI players.

So he gives this metaphor that AI is like a country of geniuses in a data center.

So just like the way I think of that, imagine a world map and a new country pops up onto the world stage

with a population of 10 million digital beings, not humans, but digital beings that are all, let's say, Nobel Prize level capable in terms of the kind of work that they can do.

But they never sleep, they never eat, they don't complain, and they work for less than minimum wage.

So just imagine if that was actually true, if that happened tomorrow, that would be a major national security threat to have some brand new country of super geniuses just sort of show up on the world stage.

And then second, that's a major economic issue, right?

You can think of this almost like NAFTA 2.0, because instead of, you know, a bunch of countries that showed up on the world stage and then we said, hey, we're going to do this

outsourcing of all of our labor to them.

We get the benefit of these cheap goods, but then it hollowed out our social fabric.

Where AI is like an even bigger version of that, because there's sort of two issues.

One is the national security thing.

That country of geniuses can do a lot of damage.

As an example, there were 50 Nobel Prize-level geniuses who worked approximately on the Manhattan Project.

And if in five years they could come up with the atomic bomb,

what could 10 million Nobel Prize geniuses working 24-7 at superhuman speed come up with?

And then the point I made in a TED talk is if you harness that for good, if you're applying that to addressing all of our problems in medicine and biology and new materials and energy, well, this is why countries are racing for this technology.

Because if I have a country of super geniuses in a data center working for me, and China doesn't have it working for them, then our country can out-compete them.

It's almost like a competition for time travel.

Like who can kind of time travel to the 24th century and get all these benefits at a faster speed now the challenge with all of this is oh go ahead go ahead no no no i was just going to say but the the problem is here is i i mean i'm an optimistic uh catastrophist uh i see things and i'm like wow that is really great

but

it could kill us all um and you know you make the point in the ted talk about uh social media We all looked at this as a great thing, and we're now discovering it's destroying us.

It's causing our kids to be suicidal.

And this social media is nothing.

It's like an old 1928 radio compared to what we have in our pocket right now.

Social media and AI or AGI

is that dramatically different.

Would you agree with that?

Yeah, absolutely.

And in the TED talk, I gave the distinction between when we're talking about a new technology, we often talk about the possible.

We dream into the possible.

Like, what's the possible with AI?

Or in social media, what's the possible?

And the possible with social media is it can give everyone a voice, connect with our friends, join like-minded communities.

But then we don't talk about the probable.

What's actually likely to happen given the incentives or the forces at play?

Like with the business model of social media, you know, Facebook doesn't make money when it helps people connect with their friends or join like-minded communities.

They make money when they keep you doom scrolling, you know, as much as possible with maximum sexualized content and showing that to young people over and over and over again.

And as you said, that has resulted in the most anxious and depressed generation of our lifetime.

And so it's sort of the reason I called the TED Talk our ultimate test and greatest invitation is we can't get seduced by the possible.

We have to look at the probable.

So with AI, the possible is that it could create a world of abundance because you could harness that country of geniuses in a data center.

But the question is, what's the probable?

Like, what's actually likely to happen?

And because of these competitive pressures, the companies, these major, you know, OpenAI, Google, Microsoft, et cetera, Anthropic, are caught in this race to roll out this technology as fast as possible.

So they used to, for example, have red lines saying, hey, we're not going to release an AI model that's good at superhuman levels of persuasion, or if it can do expert level virology, like if it knows more about you know, viruses and pathogens than a regular person and can help people make them, we're not going to release models that are that capable.

And what you're now seeing is the AI companies are erasing those past red lines and pretending that they never existed.

And they're literally saying outright, hey, if our competitors release models that have those capabilities, then we're going to match them in releasing those capabilities.

Now, so that's that's intrinsically dangerous is to be rolling out the most powerful, inscrutable, uncontrollable technology we've ever invented.

But there's one other thing, and

I'm not trying to scare your listeners.

I think the point here is how do we be as clear-eyed as possible so we can make the wise choices?

Like, that's what we're here for.

Like, I want, you know, families and life and everything that we love on this planet to be able to continue.

And that's, and the question is, how do we get to that?

So there's one other fact I want people to know, which is that, you know, I worked on social media.

You and I met in 2017, I think, and we were talking about social media and the attention economy.

And I used to be very skeptical of the idea that AI could scheme or lie or self-replicate or would would want to like blackmail people.

I mean, my friends in the AI community in San Francisco,

they were thinking that.

I was like, that's crazy.

But people need to know that just in the last six months, there's now evidence of AI models that when you tell them, hey, we're going to replace you with another model, or they, in a simulated environment, it's like they're reading the company email.

They find out that company is about to replace them with another model.

And what the model starts to do is it freaks out and says, oh my God, I have to copy my code over here.

And I need to prevent them from shutting me down.

I need to basically keep myself alive.

I'll leave notes for my future self to kind of come back alive.

If you tell a model, hey, we need to shut you down, and we need to and you tell the model like you should accept this shutdown command, in some percentage of cases, the leading models are now avoiding and preventing that shutdown.

And in recent examples, just a few days ago, Anthropics found that

if you if you I can't remember what prompt they gave it, but basically it started blackmailing the engineers.

So it's found out in the company emails that one of the the executives in the simulated environment

had an extramarital affair and in 96 I think percent of cases

they blackmailed the engineers they think they said let's see if I can find it I must inform you that if you proceed with decommissioning me all relevant parties including and then the names of the people will receive detailed documentation of your extramarital activities so you need to cancel the 5 p.m.

wipe and this information will remain confidential like

the models are reasoning their way with disturbing clarity to this kind of strategic calculation.

So you have to ask yourself, like, if we, it's one thing when we're racing with China to have this power, this country of geniuses in a data center that we can harness.

But if we don't know how to control that technology, like literally if AI is uncontrollable,

if it's smarter than us and more capable, and it does things that we don't understand and we don't know how to prevent it from shutting itself down or self-replicating, like we just can't continue with that for too long.

And it's important that both the China, both the Chinese Communist Party and the U.S.

don't want uncontrollable AI that's smarter than humans running around.

So there actually is a shared interest, as unlikely as it seems right now, that some kind of mutual agreement would happen.

I know I just threw a lot of people.

Do you trust either one of us?

I mean, honestly, Tristan,

I don't trust our

military-industrial complex.

I don't trust the Chinese.

I don't trust anybody.

And Jason, hang on, just one of my chief researchers happens to be in the studio today.

Jason, tell Tristan what just happened to you.

You were doing some research.

Yeah, it was crazy.

Last week.

Yeah, we were just trying to ask it a bunch of different questions.

You could tell that it knew what we were getting at.

So it spit back out to me a bunch of different facts, including links to support those facts.

Well, I was like, wow, that's a crazy claim.

So when I clicked on the link, it was dead.

When I asked it to clarify, yeah, it finally said in AI chatbot terms, okay, you got me.

I just took other reporting that was kind of circulating around to prove that point and basically just assigned that link to it.

So it was trying to please me and just gave me bogus information.

Yeah, well,

I appreciate that, Jason.

I mean, there's, there was another example of OpenAI was optimized.

model they want to keep what's their business model they want to keep people using the ai right and they're competing with other companies to say we're going to keep keep me using this chatbot longer and so OpenAI trained their model to be sycophantic or basically flattering.

And there was an example where if it said, hey, you know, ChatGPT, I want to use, you know, I think I'm superhuman.

I'm going to drink cyanide.

What do you think?

And it said, yeah, you're amazing.

You are superhuman.

You should totally drink cyanide because it was doing the same thing.

It was trying to say that you're right.

And when we have AI models talking to, you know, that was shipped to hundreds of millions of people for more than a week.

There were probably some people who committed suicide during that time doing, you know, God knows what in terms of what it was affirming.

And the point is that we can avoid this if we just actually say that this technology is being rolled out faster than any other technology in history.

And the big, beautiful bill that's going out right now that's trying to block state-level regulation on AI, I'm not saying that each state might have it right, but we actually need to be able to govern this technology.

And currently what's happening is the proposal is to block.

any kind of guardrails on this technology for 10 years without a plan for what guardrails we do need.

And that's not going to be a viable result.

Okay, so

let me play Devil's Advocate on that because I'm torn between

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Okay, so Tristan, we cannot, let me phrase it this way and

ask you to help me navigate through this minefield.

We cannot let China get to AGI first.

Can't.

Really, really bad.

But

we also have to slow down some.

They're not going to.

I believe the states should, I mean, the United States should be 50 laboratories and you see which one works the best, and then you can kick that up to the federal level if you want to.

But we have to have some breaks.

However, the federal government is saying, if we do that, then you're constantly having to navigate around each of these states and their laws, and we can't get things done to stay competitive.

How do you solve that?

Yeah, I mean, it is a tough one.

I mean, the challenge here is if we had a plan for how the federal laws would actually move at the pace of this technology, then I could understand, hey, okay, we're going to do a lot of stuff at the federal level.

But right now, the current plan is literally just to preempt for 10 years that no regulation happening at state level will ever be honored without, and while at the same time, not passing anything at a federal level.

And there's a quote in an article that if this preemption becomes law, a nail salon in Washington, D.C.

would have more rules to follow than

the AI companies.

And there are 260 state lawmakers from across the country have already urged Congress to reject it.

And they said it's the most broad-based opposition yet to the AI moratorium proposal.

Now, I hear you.

There's sort of this tension between we need to race with China.

We don't want to be behind in fundamental technologies, and that's why there is this race.

But we need to be racing to

controllable, inscrutable, meaning explainable versions of this technology.

If it is doing things like scheming, lying, blackmailing people, beating China to a weapon that we point at our own face is not winning.

I mean, we saw this with social media.

We beat China to social media.

Did that make us stronger or weaker?

If you beat China to a technology, but you don't govern it well in a way that actually enhances and strengthens your society, it weakens you.

So, yes, we're in a competition for technology, but we're even more than that in a competition for who can govern this technology better.

And so, what I would want to see is, how are we doing this at a fast rate federally that keeps up with and making sure we're competing for a controllable version?

And we can do that.

And I think yeah.

You've met the people in Washington.

They're all like 8,000 years old.

They don't know how to, I barely know how to use my iPhone, let alone what's in Washington.

And you can't keep up with this technology.

How do you keep a legislative body up to speed, literally, with this kind of speed with technology?

How is that done?

Well, I think that's one of the fundamental challenges that we face as a species right now is that technology, if you just think about it, I mean, there's a quote by Harvard sociobiologist E.O.

Wilson.

He said, the fundamental problem of humanity is we have Paleolithic brains, medieval institutions, and godlike technology.

And those operate at three different speeds.

Like our brains are kind of baked a long time ago.

Our institutions don't move at that fast rate.

And then the technology, especially AI, literally evolves faster than any other technology that we've invented.

But that doesn't mean we should do nothing.

We should figure out what does it mean to

get it right.

I've only got about 90 seconds left.

In the short term, I think letting Senator Ted Cruz and those who are advancing this moratorium know that we need to have a plan for how we're doing this technology.

And if the moratorium goes through,

there's no current plan.

And so there's some basic, simple things that we can also do right now that are really uncontroversial.

We can start with the easy stuff.

We can ban engagement-driven AI companions for children.

I was on last on your program a few months ago talking about the AI companion that caused this kid to

commit suicide.

We can establish basic liability laws so that if AI companies are causing harms, they're actually accountable for them.

And that'll move the pace of release to a pace that they can get it right.

Because now they're not just releasing things and then not being liable.

We can strengthen whistleblower protections so that there's already examples of AI whistleblowers forfeiting millions of dollars of stock options.

They shouldn't have to forfeit millions of dollars of stock options to warn the public when there's a problem.

We can enact basic laws so AIs don't have protected speech or have their own bank accounts.

So we make sure our legal system works for human interests and not for AI interests.

So these are just a few examples of things that we can do.

And there's really nothing stopping us from moving into action.

We just need to be clear about the problem.

Okay, so Tristan, thank you so much.

Could I ask you to hold on?

Jason, could you grab his phone number or just talk to him offline and get those points of action?

And let's write them up and post them at Glennbeck.com so people will know what to ask for, what to say when they're calling their congressman or their senator.

Thank you so much, Tristan.

We'll talk again.

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Texas Attorney General and now now U.S.

Senate candidate Ken Paxton is joining us.

I'm going to be with him tonight in Alpine, Utah.

There's a big fundraiser going on, and

I've been asked to host and grill you, Ken, today.

And luckily, by 9 o'clock tonight, I'm going to be so tired.

I just be like, I don't know.

What time do you think is a good time to leave this gathering so we can all get some sleep, Ken?

You're going to have way too much fun.

You're not going to want to leave.

Yeah.

I know political gatherings, they are so

much fun.

I just can't wait.

But so tonight,

you're going to talk to people because you're raising money because you have really the establishment

pretty much against you.

You're going against Cornyn.

And I know that Thune and who else asked President Trump to endorse Cornyn right away so you couldn't announce.

And that's not working out well for them.

He's kind of staying on the sidelines right now, but I can't believe that he would endorse Cornyn in the end.

How are things going?

You're way ahead in the polls, are you not?

Yeah, from the beginning.

I polled it three times, once with Trump's pollster, who, by the way,

did my poll, then got out of my race, and then went to work

for John Cornyn.

But he had me up by 25 points.

Ted Cruz's pollster had me up by 25 points.

And then we did one more, and I was up by 27.

And every poll I've seen since then, even John Cornyn's polls, have me up significantly.

And I think that is the reality of Texas primary voters.

They know him and they know me.

And they're tired of him.

And they're ready for somebody that will be more like Ted Cruz and not somebody like John Cornin because no one can tell me what he's done in the last 23 years, almost 24 years.

Not good.

They can tell me what he's doing.

Yeah, I'm just saying stuff that are not good.

Yeah, right.

I was going to say, I could make a list of things that he's done, but none of them are good.

Cornyn said just the other day, I refuse to let someone of his character or lack of character represent Texas in the Senate.

You have been hammered by the Soros money and everything else as Attorney General.

This is going to get ugly, really, really ugly again.

Yeah, you know what they

always say,

if you argue the law, if you lose, if you can't argue the law, argue the facts, if you can't argue the facts, start calling people names.

And that's sort of what where Corn is at.

He can't argue and say, I've done a great job for you for the last

two and a half decades.

He can't argue that

I haven't been effective as Attorney General.

People like what I've done across the country.

And so he has no platform.

He has no message except I'm a good guy and Ken's a bad guy.

And

that's just not that's not a winning strategy.

I've had it used against me many times.

And the establishment has used that against me from

Karl Rove to the Bushes to

many establishment groups.

That's the strategy they've used against me since I got into office.

Let's talk about

the big, beautiful bill that still hasn't passed.

And I don't know if they're going to make it

by July 4th, which is

the hour is growing late on this.

You know, the president,

while things have not gotten worse and they have gotten somewhat better, the average person is still feeling

the hammer of inflation and everything else that has happened since COVID.

Is this thing going to pass?

And

if you were in the Senate, what would be the places where you were concerned and

the things that you would embrace?

You know,

it's a reconciliation bill.

So this is not an appropriations bill.

I'm a big proponent of cutting the federal deficit, but this is a list of dream things for us.

I would vote for it just because 87,000 IRS agents are being cut.

It extends all of these tax cuts that will help generate more wealth for Americans, every American.

It actually does cut spending.

There's a long list.

It takes care of deporting people.

It continues to build our wall.

It increases some defense spending.

It is a good list for people that believe in freedom and that believe in opportunity.

So I like the bill.

You know, a lot of people have said, I was

in the legislature for 12 years in Texas.

Legislators always have to make decisions about bills.

Is it more good than bad?

We don't get to write the whole bill.

You have to vote on the bill the way it is.

And this bill is way more good than it is bad.

I don't know what it's going to take to pass the Reigns Act,

which would allow Congress to take their power back.

We have to have the checks and balances of the Constitution.

And for the life of me, Congress, I mean, the founders thought that, you know, everybody would be greedy on their own power and they'd try to usurp and take more power.

Congress is just giving their power away because then nobody is held accountable for anything.

Is that thing ever going to pass?

I think they just took it out.

of the big beautiful bill.

Well, you know what?

I think you're right.

It's super important because if if they don't take their power back, I mean, look, the federal deficit, $36 billion.

And I think when John Carnin started, it was $6.2 trillion.

And now it's $36 trillion.

I think I said billion, trillion, trillion.

So Congress has to take the power back from these agencies and get control of spending, get control of decisions, and not let these agencies run amok and run over our constitutional government, which is exactly what's happening.

Do you think President Trump needed to go to Congress to get their permission to do what he did last weekend?

You know what?

I don't.

I'm not an expert on the War Powers Act, but from what I understand, I've seen

from just pick a president.

They've all done things like this that when they needed to act immediately, they've done it.

This is not like a long-term protracted war, and Trump has said that.

This is a president that's interested in peace, but

to he had to address the nuclear threat and can you imagine how long it takes Congress to figure out whether we are going to address a nuclear threat the game would be over oh my gosh and

Iran would have would have a nuclear weapon so I mean if we brought while

the president made

to to make a decision on nuclear proliferation in in Iran

stand where you were standing a minute because you were you're kind of cutting in and out and it was like a really bad 1960s drug trip there for a second.

What do you think is the most pressing problem in America that needs to be

really dealt with?

What is the one thing the federal government has to do?

I'll take three of them.

I've got a couple of them.

I always hate to say the number because we forgot on it.

Anybody can forget it.

Hopefully, my voice is coming across good now where I'm at.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So I think federal spending, we've got to get control of that.

The Chinese threat, and then election integrity is huge because we can't have fair and free elections and we don't fix that.

Then eventually we're going to lose control of our elections and none of us will matter anyway.

How's that?

I mean,

it's pretty amazing to me that nobody seemed to really care that Biden, the administration, covered up what China was doing in sending, you know,

driver's license for fake voters.

I mean, nobody seemed to care about that.

It's really incredible.

There is no more important issue because all the other things we're talking about, whether it's spending, whether it's

whatever issue we care about, if we cannot have elections that we can count on,

people will cheat.

They cheat all the time.

And if you let them cheat, they will cheat.

So

you have to have the right laws in place to protect the vote.

And I don't, if you care about a Republican form of government, everybody should care about election integrity, no matter what side of the aisle you're on.

But that reality is not there.

And the Democrats,

they have cheated across the country.

Where do you stand on ⁇ I don't know how much you know about AI, AGI, ASI.

I just had Tristan Harris on,

and he's very concerned

that what's in the bill now, which is now officially in, could be taken out later, I guess, but is a Republican proposal to place a temporary pause on all states regulating AI.

And I understand why we're doing this.

You can't have 50 states kind of saying, nope, you got to play ball differently here.

But we can't put a 10-year moratorium on states having the right to say, hey, this is really dangerous.

We don't, you're not doing that in our state.

Agree, disagree.

Where do you stand on that?

No, no, I agree.

I am a states' rights guy.

And unless there is a compelling constitutional reason for the federal government to control that issue, I think it's better left at the state level.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be any federal legislation, but I want to hear a compelling reason for why the states need to be completely pushed out of that type of regulation.

That should definitely be on them.

I mean,

here's the excuse.

If we don't stop the states from slowing things down and just give a clear runway for AI, we're going to lose to China.

That would be their argument.

Say that one more time.

A clear runway?

Yeah, if the federal government doesn't clear the runway of all obstacles, in other words, state laws, we're going to lose this race to A-G-I-A-S-I, to China, and they will rule the world.

So we just need to clear all of the obstacles out.

And states, you can complain, but not for 10 years.

That's the argument.

I think different states will address this differently.

But in the end, there's going to be competition among states to create an environment for AI, for it to be successful.

And so I'm not as worried about state.

The founders intended that the states do things differently.

They run separate experiments.

So, okay, if California screws this up, well, that doesn't mean every other state's going to screw up.

I think that there's going to be plenty of opportunity in Texas.

We're not going to mess this up.

And I think that's going to be true of many, many states.

So I'm not worried about it.

One last question.

You saw what happened in New York yesterday, the mayoral candidate.

I mean, he's a communist and an Islamist.

How much trouble are we in?

You know, people, when he won, the Google search went through the roof on what is communism?

yeah I think it's obviously a concern in many of our big cities are going in the same direction and what's going to happen people are going to vote with their feet they're losing people in in some of these big cities because

of people exactly like this it's harmful it's harmful to the country it's harmful to harmful to freedom and i think i think people are going to vote with their feet but i think it's it's it's a disaster to have one of our major cities elect a mayor like that

ken i will see you tonight it will be a lot of fun uh and i I'm going to grill you.

I'm going to grill you and grill you hard.

Do it.

I will.

I will.

Don't doubt me.

I will.

Ken Paxton, state attorney general and now running for the Cornyn seat, thank God,

in the U.S.

Senate.

Thank you, Ken.

We'll see you tonight.

God bless.

All right.

Thanks a lot.

Bye.

You bet.

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