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I need everybody to panic right now.

Just panic.

Because there's some disturbing America's doomsday plane.

One of our doomsday planes has flown into Washington, D.C.

last night.

And this, coupled with the president, approved a strike plan.

Now, he hasn't given a date or anything.

He's just picked one.

But this with the doomsday plane, I mean,

I just have to say it, right?

In the streets, steal from Macy's, burn down houses, because we're all going to die in a fiery nuclear holocaust very, very soon.

Or...

Or none of that.

Sometimes facts don't tell you the whole whole story.

We'll go there.

No, no, no, panic.

It's better for the country if you panic.

We'll get to that here in just a second.

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Well, welcome back, Stu Bergiere.

Hello, Stu.

Glenn, I am so happy to be here in your presence.

Well,

it doesn't sound like you're panicking enough, and I need you to panic just a little bit.

Okay.

I need you to be.

We brought Jason in.

Jason's been with me this week, who we've been working on all kinds of

doomsday things.

I mean, the world is coming apart, wouldn't you say, Jason?

Oh, everywhere.

The sky is is falling.

That's insane.

I don't know if you heard this, Stu, but one of America's doomsday planes made a flight

to Andrews Air Force Base last night, left at 6 o'clock, landed in Maryland at 10.

Now, in case you don't know what this is,

this is to protect the Secretary of Defense and other national security officials to keep the government operating in the time of a nuclear war.

And it was spotted last night by flight trackers and made a very long winding route to the capital.

And it's sitting there, right there, ready, ready to go.

The doomsday plane.

Now, in case you don't know, here's what was really suspicious.

Apparently, it usually uses the call sign of Order 6.

This is Order 6, okay, like Air Force One, Order 6.

No.

What was really disturbing to flight watchers was it was using the unusual call sign of order 01

you see what they're saying there okay

no what are they okay i don't i don't i don't either but it's got to be something nefarious that we should panic about now this is a fleet of four e-4bs

And, you know, yes, they make regular flights around the country all year long just to maintain readiness, but this also serves as an airborne command center for the president and secretary of defense and joint chiefs of staff in case there is a bomb in Washington, D.C.

or all around the world.

It can fly for up to two weeks without landing.

I mean, it'll fall out of the sky if somebody doesn't refuel it every 12 hours, but it could stay up in the sky for up to two weeks.

So, and it has 112 people on board, and it can withstand a nuclear blast, a cyber attack, electromagnetic effects.

It can fire retaliatory missiles.

It can communicate with anybody in the world at any time.

So you could call down back to Earth and you could be like, hey, hey, and they'll be like, I'm on fire right now.

I can't talk.

I'm really on fire.

I got to go.

But

that's on the ground.

Well, it was in the sky last night, but it's on the ground waiting, waiting for nuclear war.

And as if that wasn't bad enough, we find out

from the Wall Street Journal in a quote leak.

Now, I want to say quote leak because it was in the journal's article

in quotes, not air quotes, actual quotes, leak.

According to Pentagon, leaks.

Okay.

What did they leak?

Well, they cited sources close to the President and said he has withheld the final order in an effort to give the Iranian officials to change

a chance to accept negotiations on a peace deal.

But next week, it's going to be very, very big.

Maybe less than a week.

What they did is the joint chiefs came in and they said,

Mr.

President, we have this plan, this plan, this plan, or this plan.

And he chose one.

And they said, okay, so we're going in now.

And he said, no, I just chose one of the plans that you presented us with.

Okay, well, we're ready to go.

Now that sounds pretty ominous, like we should all panic.

You put that together.

And the night watch plane.

And your skin is going to burn off your face at any time.

Your hair will be on fire at any time.

You'll be burned into the sidewalk.

There'll be nothing left but a shadow of you soon.

Because

it's much easier to jump there than it is to say,

wait a minute, doesn't the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs come to the president with plans

for possibilities of war when things start to heat up?

for any country.

I mean, don't we have plans for invasions for lots of countries?

Don't we have that?

And then what he does, so when it happens, the president doesn't have to have a bunch of people in the room debating.

They do it when everything is calm.

They come in and say, Mr.

President, if this happens, we recommend this, this, or this.

And then he chooses one, and then it goes into a file, and it sits in a filing cabinet for a very, very long time until it's outdated or until they have to have it.

And then they pull it out of the filing cabinet and say, Mr.

President, this was the plan we chose.

Do we execute?

Yes, execute now.

Now, it sounds much worse if we will just print that there's been a leak,

that what he's done is he's chosen the plan on how to destroy Iran.

And the doomsday plane is in the air.

This is what I would like to call panikans.

This is what I would like to call the media and their propaganda.

This is what I would like to call negotiation as the reality.

And this is also what I would like to call the reason why nobody watches or listens to the news anymore.

Because

everything is leading right directly to your death.

Now, some things might lead directly to your death.

These two things are not one of them.

Now, I wanted to bring Jason in because he's our military analysis and he, you know, he's, I mean,

am I wrong?

No.

You actually missed one.

Glenn.

I did.

Earlier this week.

Wait, will it make people panic?

Oh, absolutely.

Panic ensues.

Okay, all right.

Good, good, good.

Earlier this week, a nuke sniffer plane.

Nuke sniffers.

Nuke sniffers.

Sounds interesting.

The plane.

Actually lifted off and flew a route, an unusual infinity sign route over the northern continental United States.

Wow.

Quoted from the article: this rarely happens.

Rarely.

Rarely, if you don't count multiple times every single year since they were invented, which was probably sometime during the Cold War.

But they're not flying every day.

No, they're not flying every day.

They're not flying every day.

They're not flying 24 hours a day.

It's rare.

That's kind of rare.

It's rare.

Yeah.

It's very, very rare.

It's relative, I guess, how you say rare.

Yeah, exactly right.

If it's not up there every day, it's rare.

Okay, so we have the nuke sniffer up.

We have

the night watch doomsday plane.

And the president has selected his plan.

It's over.

It's all over.

Why even go to work?

You know, in fact, let me just say, hey, good night, everybody.

You know, just in case it's not over today, maybe I should finish the show.

Okay.

Now, here is the

full report on where people actually are on this.

Because if you listen to, you know, anything on social media, oh my gosh, we all hate each other.

Oh, my gosh, we are so divided.

Oh, my gosh, this president, he is a, well, he's more than a Nazi.

He's more than a Nazi.

He's worse than Hitler.

And everybody is against it.

Okay, here is the, here are the questions.

What is your opinion of President Trump's position that Iran must be prevented from developing a nuclear weapon weapon by any means necessary.

Any means necessary.

No opinion, 2.7.

Now, that is stunning to me that only

2.7, only 3% are like, I don't know.

That's amazing.

In America today, most, I would think that would be 79%.

I don't know.

What's coming out on Netflix this week?

But only 2.7 say I don't know.

Disapprove 22.9.

Approve, again, the question is, Iran must be prevented from developing a nuclear weapon by any means necessary.

Approve 74.4%.

Now, Stu, I'm not good at stats like you are.

But that doesn't seem close to me.

It doesn't seem like we're that divided.

No, it seems like there's a lot of agreement.

That doesn't seem, I feel like if you're following like online communities, you might not have that same impression.

I feel like.

I don't know.

No.

I don't know.

It felt that close to me.

Okay, now the party participation in this poll, 37.7% Democrat, 38.1% Republican, no party or other party, 24.2.

All right.

Now,

that doesn't seem close.

That seems like maybe it's a good thing.

One other piece of news.

Did you hear?

Did you hear the supreme leader over in Iran, what he said?

He said, if we do anything more, there's going to be hell to pay, and it's going to be irreparable.

And you should listen to him because

on their TV, their state-run TV over there, they're telling the truth.

Our media, not telling the truth, their media, telling the truth.

They have complete control of the skies over Israel right now.

Israel can't move.

They're boxed in.

They're about ready to collapse.

And the Israeli babies are all lying in the streets on fire right now because of all of the bombs.

And they're going to do it to America because they're about to win, according to their state-run media.

They're about to win in

Iran, I mean in Israel, because they're about to give up.

Israel's about to give up.

They've learned their lesson

and they're about to move on to us.

And we should be very, very careful.

Now, meanwhile, this incredible state, I mean, they are really, really doing a good job at really everything.

Except for their TV broadcast, which was hacked several times yesterday.

It was hacked with pictures and calls for the public to rise up and take to the streets to protest against the government.

Now, when I hear that,

I immediately know the truth.

Jews.

The Jews did it.

The opposition linked Iran International quotes officials as saying it only affected those receiving the broadcast via satellite.

suggesting interference with satellite signals.

So in other words, their TV broadcast broadcast stations, because we all have rabbit ears on our TVs now.

You know, if you're getting it, you're getting it right directly from the stick,

right from the TV antenna, you know, they can't hack that.

They can't hack that, just satellite and, you know, things like that.

And nobody's using satellite.

Hackers reportedly breached Iranian TV airing a call for people to take to the streets.

So

that's good.

Now, we have one more poll for you.

A survey conducted by the Neapolitan News Service, which is, well, when I was a kid, was my favorite kind of ice cream, but I digress.

They just shared with Just the News, found that 77% of respondents believe nuclear weapons should pose a threat to Americans.

45% claimed it posed a very serious threat to Americans.

32% say it posed a somewhat serious threat.

A total of 14% said it would not pose a serious threat if Iran acquired a nuclear weapons.

And 9%,

this is more like us, 9%, I don't know, I don't know,

has,

your poll, sir, named Neapolitan, you make that ice cream too?

Total of 14% said it would not pose a serious threat if Iran acquired nuclear weapons.

The poll also found a majority believed Iran getting nuclear weapons should pose a serious threat to Israel.

43% Americans should support Israel, while only 8%

while only 8% of, I'm going to air quote it, Americans said that we should support Iran.

One-third of respondents, 31%, said the U.S.

should not support either country.

17%, ah,

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Jason, before I let you go here, is there anything that we need to know that's new or that happened overnight that is worth reporting on?

There was a strike on an Israeli hospital yesterday in Beersheba,

which was pretty bad.

Iran's doing this strategy of basically firing off hundreds of dumb missiles, but they have a few very, very smart weapons that are getting through.

Those hypersonic missiles are scary as hell.

There's no way to stop them.

Right.

And especially in an array, array, like if you've seen the skies over Iran, it looks like, what was that game we played as kids, that missile command?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You just blow them up as they come down.

That's what it looks like over Iran right now.

It's scary.

You mean Israel?

And Israel, yeah.

Yeah.

The hypersonic missiles, are they hypersonic just at the end, or is that the way it looks?

when they're coming down towards the ground.

So that's the debate if they're true hypersonic missiles, but I think they're reaching hypersonic speeds towards the end.

Because it's amazing.

They seem to be coming in like everything else, and then all of a sudden,

yeah.

It's crazy.

War, I mean, if this is what Iran can do,

war is going to be so just horrifying.

Changing rapidly, and I fear we're not ready for it.

We might not be, but I will tell you,

I mean, at least, you know, this is one thing that I know about Donald Trump, and I've said it a million times, and I think it's worth really understanding the gravity of this.

He has talked to me several times,

and he has talked to me about nuclear war.

And he rebuilt our missile and all of our nuclear deterrents and he is terrified of it.

He's like, I rebuilt it so we are the strongest in the world.

He's like, Glenn, if we ever launch any of this stuff, if we ever have to do anything, he said the whole thing is over.

It is a, it is a nightmare that no one can comprehend.

Yeah, it's it's scary, but nothing can really mess with my mood right now because yesterday I saw on radio the most gangster move ever by a broadcaster as you were reading your live read and slowly loaded your nine millimeter pistol and put it.

It didn't even break any kind of context.

It kept going.

It was amazing.

What show did I miss?

Nothing could bring me down now.

You missed a show yesterday.

I was in a mood and

nobody knew until just now I was also loading all of my pistols at the same time.

Yeah, I can multitask.

I can do it.

I can do it.

All right, Jason, thank you so much.

Good to have you back, Stu.

We have more in just a second.

Alan Dershowitz is joining us and more.

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You know, I

it's been a

crazy, crazy week, Stu.

You've really missed out on some great

some great arguments, really.

Really?

People just ripping each other apart.

Friends ripping friends apart.

And

I've never seen anything like it on our side.

And

it's got to stop.

It really has to stop.

You were on vacation, so you usually don't pay much attention.

Did you miss it?

Did you see any of this or you miss it all?

I felt like, first of all, an incredibly well-timed vacation.

I can't even describe how good I felt about the timing of that.

But yes, I did follow it a a little bit.

I saw a lot of the back and forth.

I don't know how you feel about it, Glenn.

It just seems to me to be the opposite of productive.

I just don't get it at all.

I don't get it.

No, and we all start turning on each other?

No, our enemies don't love that.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean,

you couldn't be in Russia or China and Iran and do anything more helpful than get all of us to start tearing each other apart on the same side.

Yeah, it's like, you know, as a Philadelphia Eagles fan, if the Eagles make a trade and you're not sure how to feel about it, one way to decipher that is to see how Cowboys fans react to it.

If they love the trade, you know it sucks for your side.

Right.

And that's kind of how I feel with this.

Like, you know, how, how does everybody on the left feel about this?

Are they, are they, gosh, angry about it or are they really excited that the right seems to be trying to set itself on fire?

I think they're excited about it.

So

would argue it's not the most productive activity.

Yeah,

I had Sean Davis on yesterday from the Federalists, and he was just great.

He was great.

If you missed that in the podcast, make sure you get yesterday's podcast and listen to it.

Because we don't agree on everything, but tried to have a decent conversation.

And that is hard to do.

I mean, I didn't necessarily have a decent conversation yesterday at the beginning of the program.

It was the beginning of the program.

It was a little shameful.

A little shameful.

Wow.

shameful?

Is that a little bit?

Yeah, a little bit.

And

I might say that when my producers brought up today, Glenn, you really have to talk about our federal government selling off 3 million acres of land for affordable housing.

I might have been a little shameful there as well.

I mean, I'm not a perfect guy.

I'm not a perfect guy.

And I'm going to try to not be shameful

in my response on the federal land today.

But I will tell you that might be beyond my abilities today.

I am so unbelievably tired of

hearing about how we're not going to be able to hunt or fish

because Mike Lee wants to sell

3 million acres of federal land.

Oh, no.

Really, Glenn?

I can't believe that.

Why would he want to do such a thing?

He doesn't like hunting and fishing.

Yeah, well, I do have the reasons.

And

I'm going to get into that in a little bit on the program.

Because if I have to go into it right now, I need to really prepare.

Because I may have vented for about 20 minutes in a very unproductive way in our meeting today

because I live surrounded by federal land.

And oh my gosh, they're such good stewards of land.

There's nobody better than the federal government.

No, when something's going going wrong, I could just call Washington, D.C.

up and go, hey,

this is really bad for the land, and they're right on it.

They're right on it.

They're the best landlords ever.

But we'll get into that.

Meanwhile, Whoopi Goldberg had something interesting to say yesterday.

She was on the view, and

that's a TV show.

TV.

That is a box that sometimes hangs on a wall, and it's from a network.

It's an old style thing where people used to tell people what to say in their tv shows unless you were on the left anyway uh it's too much any she's on this tv show and uh she was saying that

she was saying that black people are treated badly here in america now listen to what listen to what she says just remember too the iranians literally throw gay people off of buildings they don't adhere to basic human rights right here's the thing

let's not let's not do that let's not do that because if we start with that,

we have been known in this country to tie gay folks to the car.

I'm sorry, but where the Iranian regime is

nothing.

They're not hanging black people.

So

it is not even the same.

I couldn't step foot.

Oh, no.

Oh, wait, wait, wait.

That's not what you mean to say.

It is the same.

No, it's not.

The year 2025 in the United States is nothing like if I step foot wearing this young bitch that I've been killed for.

I'm sorry.

No, I can't have my hair showing.

I can't wear a skirt.

I can't have my clothes out.

I'm telling you,

I literally said it was up to the Iranian people.

And that's why I am saying

that it is the same.

Murdering someone for their difference is not good.

Whoever does it.

Wow.

What a stance.

What a story.

She's so brave.

And so, I mean,

for a B or C grade actor in a forgotten movie system, she is really quite bright,

you know, when she's like, and we lynched people in America.

Yeah, a hundred years ago.

A hundred years ago, that was happening.

And it was really, really bad.

I don't see the lynching happening.

And it was never condoned by the federal government, by the way.

That was something that was done.

Oh, come on.

Hold on, Whoopi.

That was done by the Democrats who started the Klan.

You can't say that.

That's 100 years ago.

Wait a minute.

You just brought up lynching from 100 years ago.

So I guess facts do matter.

And then, I mean, can you imagine?

Can you imagine if that bit were played in any place in the Middle East where women are like under their birkin thinking, I don't want to live like this.

This is horrible.

And oh, by the way, my

husband can rape me anytime he wants.

You know, I was married when I was nine, and you have somebody like Whoopi Goldberg going on and going, that's just no worse than it is here in America.

Can you imagine the arrogance of that statement?

I mean, she's literally, again, I know we're mocking this show.

She's making millions of dollars.

She's a black woman making millions of dollars on television opposing the current president of the United States.

Do you think there's a lot of examples in Iran of this sort of behavior?

Are there a lot of Jews that have giant television shows

in downtown Tehran with their studios making millions of dollars as they carry on the networks the programming that opposes the Ayatollah?

Is there an equivalent?

It's so inherently stupid.

It's just amazing how dumb you can be and have a show like this.

And honestly,

if we were in a just society, I would have arrested her just for her stupid haircut.

I will say that's offensive, Glenn, but not as offensive as your claim that she might be a B or C level actress.

No.

Come on.

That's way too kind.

Just try to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Can we focus on one other thing, too, that I think is interesting about this development?

The opposition in that clip comes from Melissa

Farah, whatever her name is.

She was,

and I think there's such a fascinating journey of this type of person who

was a complete unknown.

She was a, you know, a communications official in the Trump White House back in the day and kind of turned into this like, oh, well, I'm notable now now because I'm turning against Trump after leaving, right?

And there's like a whole like genre of people who have who have gone through this process and whatever.

It seems to be very rewarding for them when it comes to their media careers.

And they do very, very well and they make lots of money.

And there's absolutely no way that without turning on Donald Trump and becoming this anti-Trump figure that she would have this job.

There's zero chance of it, right?

Like

she's an absolute no one.

No one had ever heard of her.

Like, she was a no one, but she became famous because of this one thing.

And there's this interesting thing that happens because you assume the fact that she at one point did serve, you know, under in the Trump administration, that she had some familiarity with, I don't know, the right side of an argument or the conservative side of the argument or like just the fact that Iran is a danger or whatever.

She was, you know, involved in defense.

And then she's forced to go on here and do this show where every day her job is to say, basically, look, I served in the Trump administration.

I, I, I'm obviously not a liberal, but I can't believe what they're doing.

It's so bad.

Like, that's her job.

And then something like this happens that is so overtly wrong, that something that she obviously knows is a lie.

And she has to make that decision on like, do I go with the truth here or do I do this thing that I've been doing?

Right.

Like,

And it's got to be perplexing to make these decisions because at some point,

there is a level where you just inherently can't say the words to go along with the party line that you're supposed to take these days.

And this is one of those instances where, like, no, it's obviously not as bad for black people in America today as it is for gay people in Iran.

Like, it's just so overtly false that you can't even stop yourself.

And I find it interesting

where they could find it.

How dare you say that?

Do we try to give black people the opportunity to learn how to fly by throwing them off of buildings?

No, we don't.

We don't.

I mean, look at what the good Iranians are doing.

They're like, I think these gays can fly.

And one of them will be able to do it.

And then once one of them does it, they'll all be able to spread their wings and fly, baby, fly.

That's true.

That's all they're doing, Stu.

That's all they're doing.

I had taken that here.

America.

We don't give black people or gays the chance to fly.

I guess they just believe in them so much.

They're so much better than us.

They can fly.

That's what the Koran is actually saying.

Give them a chance to fly.

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And Stu is back with us.

Hi, Stu.

Hey, Glenn.

Did you follow the Adriana Smith story in Georgia over the past two years?

I can't hear Stu.

He's been feeding me his microphone.

Yeah.

I'll go through the story here as we're waiting for Glenn's technical issues to be sorted out.

But Adriana Smith, she was a woman in Georgia and she became brain dead,

which is, of course,

an awful outcome.

She was pregnant at the time, and there was a big controversy that kind of built up over this period where she had

the left seemed to be cheering for the baby to also die.

The claim was basically the hospital was keeping her alive on life support as she was going through this pregnancy.

She had basically no hope, unfortunately, of surviving.

But the question was whether they would keep her alive on life support so that the baby could be born.

Which is what you usually do.

I would think so, right?

The claim was there was a worry by the hospital that they thought the Georgia abortion law made it so they had to do this.

This was required.

Now, that is at the very least seemingly a misreading of the law.

I don't think it does require that.

But the family at the beginning seemed to be like

just horrified that they would force this woman to just be this empty vessel just to create this child.

And the left like embrace this sort of handmaid's tale

narrative where like, oh, we just now have, you know, women are just baby machines, baby factories that are just turning out these kids.

And it's like,

this is, by the way, the baby was now, was born by Caesarean.

This is the end of the story.

Born by Cesarean.

Looks like it's going to survive.

She was taken off of life support

after this happened.

But is there any other way for a rational society to look at this other than a miracle?

In every other part of our entire world history,

this baby would have just died along with his mother.

And now we have a situation where this baby has been born and has a chance at life.

And it has a carbon footprint.

And it has a carbon footprint.

That's a lot.

Yes, damn straight.

A wonderful carbon footprint that will be absolutely worth it.

Like the fact that this child gets a chance at life should be something that we're all cheering for, an incredible development that has only very recently been possible.

And instead, it is this thing where like the left is saying, like, one death, we wanted two.

It just, I just can't understand the world sometimes.

Wow.

Yeah.

I mean, listen to you.

Yesterday, yesterday, the Supreme Court, you know, after they said, oh, you can't kill your children, now they come out and say, you can't mutilate them either.

They didn't say you're jumping on the bandwagon.

They didn't say you can't kill your children, unfortunately.

And they also didn't say

you can't mutilate them either.

They just had

slight allowances for state laws to dictate some of those policies.

That's unbelievable.

So, yes, I support those rules.

It's amazing.

No killing kids, no cutting them.

No, you just got to travel.

No, no turning them into travel.

She men, this is what are we, what are we coming to?

And then forcing a woman in a coma to carry the child to because she really cares.

She really cares.

Carrying that child to term.

We're monsters.

You know, they have it better in Iran.

I'll tell you that right now.

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Well, the Supreme Court has come out with something that was so surprising to me that it was a 6-3 decision.

It really doesn't.

Hey, can I...

Can I just cut body parts off of this child?

Is that okay?

Apparently there are three on the Supreme Court that thought, yeah, that's fine.

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I want to have him back on to talk about this

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How are you?

I'm doing great.

How about you?

It has been a really confusing week.

I'm losing friends, I think, because because I stand with Israel's right to defend themselves.

And I'm pointing out that while I don't want a war,

Iran is a really bad place.

And then I see the Supreme Court comes out, and there are three justices who are like, I don't know,

I think children, you know, can change their identity before we even let them drive or carry a gun or enlist in the military.

It's insane.

It is insane, especially since the radical left says that a 17 and a half year old can't consent to have voluntary sex with their boyfriend.

That would be sexist and that would be horrible.

But they can consent to have an abortion and they can consent to have radical surgery.

That can't be reversed.

By the way, the decision is like six to two and a half.

Elena Kagan, my former colleague at Harvard, didn't reach the merits of whether or not a state could actually ban these operations on a minor.

She got involved in whether or not you need super duper scrutiny or just super scrutiny, a kind of, you know, a very technical thing, but she didn't rule on whether under any kind of scrutiny the state could do that.

So

definitely two of them said that the state could do it, but not necessarily a third one.

Okay.

Can you break this argument down and why it should have been unanimous?

Oh, it should have been unanimous.

There's no question.

States under the Constitution have the authority to decide medical issues.

States decide a whole range of medical issues.

I remember when I was a young professor, there was an issue of whether or not

one twin could be operated on to remove a kidney to be given to another twin.

And, you know, that case went all the way through the courts.

The federal government never got involved in that.

That was up to the state of Massachusetts.

And, you know, they made an interesting decision.

Some states go the other way.

Half the countries of Europe go one way on this.

Half the countries of Europe go the other way.

And Justice Brandeis once said that states are the laboratories of constitutional experimentation.

They have the right to do things their own way, and then we'll see over time.

Over time, I predict that we will find that this kind of surgery is not acceptable scientifically for young people.

The New York Times had an absurd op-ed yesterday by the mother of a transgender person, and it never mentioned, you do the arithmetic, that the person was now 18 years old, and the decision doesn't apply to anyone who's 18.

If you're, you know, just wait.

Don't make irreversible decisions when you're 12 years old or 13 years old, because we know the statistics show that some people at least regret having made these irreversible surgical decisions, particularly.

Yeah.

So

why is it just that the state, why wasn't the argument, you can't do this to children?

Well, you know, that's the question, whether or not if the state says you can do it to children, that violates the Constitution.

I think states are given an enormous amount of leeway in deciding what's best for people.

You leave it to the public.

And, you know, for me, if I were

voting, I would not not vote to allow

a 17-year-old to make that irreversible decision.

But if a state wants to do it and if a country in Europe wants to do it, all right.

But the idea that there's a constitutional right for a minor who can't, you know, isn't old enough to consent to a contract or to have sex, is old enough to consent to do something that will change their life forever and they will come to regret is absurd.

So I don't know how you feel about Justice Thomas, but he took on the so-called experts

and really kind of took them to the woodshed.

What were your thoughts on that?

Well, I agree with that.

I've devoted my whole life to challenging experts.

That's what I do in court.

I challenge experts all the time.

Most of the major cases that I've won have been cases where the experts went one way and we were persuading them that

persuaded a jury or a judge that the expert is not really an expert.

Experts have become partisans just like everybody else.

And so I'm glad that

expertise is being challenged by judges.

And, you know, experts ought to challenge judges.

Judges challenge experts.

That's the world we live in.

Everybody challenges everybody else.

As long as we're all of us allowed to speak, allowed to have our point of view expressed, allowed to vote, that's democracy.

Democracy doesn't require a singular answer to complex medical, psychological, moral problems.

We can have multiple answers.

We're not a dictatorship.

We're not North Korea or Iran where the Ayatollah or the leader tells us what to think.

We can think for ourselves and we can act for ourselves within limits.

It's really interesting because this is my argument with Obamacare.

I was dead set against Obamacare, but I wasn't against RomneyCare when it was in Massachusetts.

If that's what Massachusetts wants to do, Massachusetts can do it.

Try it.

And honestly, if it would work in a state, we would all adopt it.

But the problem is, some of these things, like Romney Care, doesn't work.

And so

they want to rope the federal government into it because the federal government can just print money.

And

any state wants to do anything.

But for instance, I have a real hard time with California right now because I have a feeling

when they fail, we're going to be roped into paying for the things that we all knew were bad ideas.

Why should I pay for it in Texas when I know that wouldn't work?

And I've always wanted to live in California, but I don't because I know that's not going to work.

Yeah, but

conservatives sometimes take the opposite point of view.

Take guns, for example.

The same Justice Thomas says that a state cannot have the authority to decide that

guns should not be available in Times Square or in schools, that there has to be a national

openness to guns because of the Second Amendment.

And

you can argue reasonably what the Second Amendment means,

but

conservatives, many conservatives, take the view that there has to be a single standard for guns, and states can't vary in their decisions how to control guns.

I'm in favor of letting states make those decisions.

Doesn't that just take what

the

Bill of Rights is about and turns it up outside the head?

I mean, it says, you know, anything not mentioned here, the states have the rights, but they cannot, the federal government cannot get involved in any of these things, and these are rights that are enshrined.

So, I mean, because you could say that, but I mean, when it comes to health care, that's not in the Constitution, not in the Bill of Rights.

There's a big difference, of course.

The Second Amendment does provide for the right to bear arms.

The question is whether it's interpreted in light of the beginning of the Second Amendment, which says

essentially a well-regulated, well-regulated militia, whether that applies to private ownership as well, whether it can be well-regulated by states.

Look, these are interesting debates, and the Supreme Court decides these.

But all I'm saying is that many of these decisions are in some way influenced by ideology.

The words of the Constitution don't speak like the Ten Commandments and God giving orders from on high.

They're often written in ambiguous terms.

Even the Ten Commandments,

it says, thou shalt not murder.

And it's been interpreted by some to say, thou shalt not kill.

The Hebrew is lo tirtzach.

Tirtzach is the Hebrew word for murder, not kill.

And of course, we know that in parts of the Bible, you are allowed to kill your enemies.

If they come after you to kill you, rise up and kill them first.

So, you know, every single human beings are incapable of writing with absolute clarity about complex issues.

That's why we need institutions to interpret them.

But the institutions should be fair.

And the Supreme Court sometimes has taken over too much authority and too much power.

I have an article today on Gatestone, which starts with a quote from the the book of Ruth, and it says, when judges ruled the land, there was famine.

And I say, judges were not supposed to ever rule.

Going back to biblical times, judges are supposed to judge.

People who are elected or appointed appropriately are the ones who are supposed to rule.

Quickly, two other topics, and I know you have to go.

So if I can get a couple of quick takes on you.

The Democrats that are being handcuffed and throwing themselves into situations, do you find that to be a sign of a fascistic state or a publicity stunt?

Of course, it's a publicity stunt.

And they would admit it, you know, give them a drink at 11 o'clock at night in a bar, and they'll tell you that they're doing this deliberately to get attention.

Of course, a guy who was running behind in the mayor race in New York goes and gets himself arrested, and now he's on every New York television station, probably will move himself up in the polls.

So, no,

I don't believe in that, and I don't believe we should

take it seriously.

Last question.

I am proudly for Israel, but I'm also for America, and I am really tired of foreign wars.

And I think you can be pro-Israel and pro-America at the same time.

I don't think that

you don't have to say, I'm for Israel defending themselves, and then that makes me a warmonger.

I am also very concerned about Iran and have been for a very long time because they're Twelvers.

They're Shia Twelvers that want to wash the world in blood to hasten the return of the Promised One.

And so when they have a nuclear weapon, it's a whole different story.

No, I agree with you on that.

I think Tucker Carlson is absolutely wrong when he says you have to choose between being America first or supporting Israel.

Supporting Israel in this fight against Iran is being America first, is supporting America.

Israel has been doing all the hard work.

It's been the one who's lost its civilians and

fortunately none of its pilots yet.

But

America and Israel work together for the interests of both countries.

So

I'm a big supporter of the United States, a patriot, and I'm a big supporter of Israel at the same time because they work together in tandem to bring about

Western values.

Should we drop a bomb?

Yes.

Should our plane drop a bomb?

Yes, we should.

And without killing civilians, it can be done.

It probably needs four bombs, not one bomb.

First, one bomb to open up the mountain, then another bomb to destroy what's going on inside.

And in my book, The Preventive State, I make the case for when preventive war is acceptable.

And the war against Iran is as acceptable as it would have been to attack Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

If we had done that, if Britain and France had attacked Nazi Germany in the 1930s instead of allowing it to be built up, it could have saved 60 million lives.

And so sometimes you have to take preventive actions to save lives.

When is the preventative state out, Helen?

Oh, just now, just now.

And it's

done very well on Amazon.

New York Times refuses to review it because I defended Donald Trump.

And the Harvard Club canceled my appearance talking about the book because I haven't been defending Harvard.

I have been defending president trump's attack by the way i have a new book coming out soon called uh trump to harvard go fund yourself

okay let's stay let's stay on this one um i'd love to have you on back next week to talk about the preventative state uh if you will

thank you

thank you so much alan dershowitz uh harvard law school uh professor emeritus host of the dirse show and the author of the new book it's now the preventative state i think that is a really important topic because we are we are traveling down the roads where fascism, on both sides, where fascism can start to creep in.

And it's all for your own good and all for your own protection.

Beware, beware.

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It was the one with Bane.

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And Bain grabs him by the throat and kills him.

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Last night on my TV program, and you'll be able to watch it today on YouTube at youtube.com slash Glenn,

I make the case that we are entering our Gotham times and we better recognize this.

You know, when they start shooting the politicians that won't do what the left says, and that's exactly what happened last weekend, and I don't think anybody's talking about it enough.

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That's why she was shot this weekend.

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You know, you politicians think you have them under control.

The Chuck Schumer's and Nancy Pelosi.

I told you this when you put Michael Moore in the box

with who was the president that they were running, was it Obama?

And they put him in the presidential box.

And I said, you can't cozy up to leftist and communist.

You can't do it.

And now they're in bed with the Banes of the world.

And they thought they could control them.

They thought they could whip them up into a frenzy and then control them.

You're not going to be able to.

The other side of that is what we're facing now with radicalized Islam.

Look, it is a matter of time before Europe falls.

It's just a matter of time.

They are not doing the right thing.

Their politicians think they can control these radicals.

And I believe it's only a matter of time.

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I don't know, Stu, if you saw the Ayatollah's message yesterday, but it wasn't a happy message.

No.

Can we play the Ayatollah's message?

I'll translate because I speak Farsi, of course.

He says, The Iranian nation will stand firmly against the war imposed on it.

That's fine.

As it has done so far, it will also take a stand firmly against imposed peace.

The Iranian nation will not surrender to anyone aiming to impose.

Telling the Iranian nation to surrender is not a wise thing to say.

Wise people who know the region, the Iranian people and its history, would never say that.

To whom shall we surrender?

Iran is not a nation to surrender.

And America getting involved in this would be 100% to its detriment.

The damage it would suffer would be so much more than what Iran would possibly suffer.

Oh,

how's that make your Wednesday or your Thursdays do?

Feeling pretty good about that?

Yeah, it sounds.

I'm encouraged, as usual, by any word from the Ayatollah, Glenn.

I mean, I don't know.

I do have his calendar or his daily meditation book.

I just keep it by my bedside, and I'm like, you know, death to Israel.

And I'm like, ah, he said that last Tuesday.

I need something better than that.

Yeah,

the

piece piece of inspiration per day calendar that you rip off the pages, they mostly do say things that are just very similar to death to Israel or death to the United States.

It's not as inspiring as you might think it might be.

Hey, can I go to a flashback, flashback, flashback to 2018?

Here's the Saudi crown prince on Iran and nukes.

Listen to this.

You've been rivals for centuries.

At its heart, what is this rift about?

Is it a battle for Islam?

Iran is not a rival to Saudi Arabia.

Its army is not among the top five armies in the Muslim world.

The Saudi economy is larger than the Iranian economy.

Iran is far from being equal to Saudi Arabia.

But I've seen that you called the Ayatollah, Khameni, the new Hitler of the Middle East.

Absolutely.

Why?

Because he wants to expand.

He wants to create his own project in the Middle East, very much like Hitler, who wanted to expand at the time.

Many countries around the world and in Europe did not realize how dangerous Hitler was until what happened happened.

I don't want to see the same events happening in the Middle East.

Does Saudi Arabia need nuclear weapons to counter Iran?

Saudi Arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb.

But without a doubt, if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible.

That's great.

Don't you love that?

Nuclear proliferation.

You know, and especially in the Middle East, I want everybody to have a nuclear bomb.

Everybody should have one just under their burqa.

I mean, I think it would be really, really safe for, you know, the whole world.

My question is, when do we get to a point to where we're like, you know, I'm not sure England should have the nuclear bombs anymore?

I mean, you know, I think by 2035, we're going to be having that conversation, you know, if Jesus isn't around.

But by 2035, don't you see us having that conversation, Stu?

I mean,

they have been infiltrated by radical Islam.

They're marching in the streets.

The people, I mean, look at Ireland.

They're not in control anymore.

They're not in control.

Look at Sweden.

Is it Sweden or Norway or one of those countries that can never tell the difference between?

Was like, we don't have the prime minister, we don't have control of our streets anymore.

This is not going to last.

You know, when you have 30%

immigration

and it's mainly from, you know, Islamic countries,

I mean, unless they want to melt into yours, which doesn't seem like their intent, you're in trouble.

You're in real trouble.

Some of them do

want to set things on fire, though.

That indicates melting is a possibility.

If you look at it the positive way, with a positive spin, you know, you get a better picture, Glenn.

It's just you're always taking the negative spin

on an issue.

All right.

Well, meanwhile, Trump was asked by a reporter, you know, the obvious question,

are we moving closer to getting involved in striking the nuclear facilities?

Here's Trump's response, cut five.

Have you been to answer questions about whether you are moving closer or you believe the U.S.

is moving closer to striking Iranian nuclear facilities?

Where's your mindset on that?

I can't say that, right?

You don't seriously think I'm going to answer that question.

Will you strike the Iranian nuclear component?

And what time exactly, sir?

Sir, would you strike it?

Would you please inform us so we can be there and watch?

I mean, you don't know that I'm going to even do it.

You don't know.

I may do it.

I may not do it.

I mean, nobody knows what I'm going to do.

Listen to that.

Listen to that.

What a great negotiator.

I love the construction workers in the background just laughing.

They're just laughing.

The average person's like, yeah, what a dumb question that is.

I mean, obviously, I guess journalists have to ask.

I guess they they have to ask.

Yeah, I get it.

I get it.

But still, and, you know, I will say there are times with Trump when you ask a question like that and he just blurts it out.

I mean, it's probably worth it ask from the journalist's perspective.

But, you know, I don't think he blurts out as much as he used to.

I really don't.

I think he is so strategic right now.

Well, I think sometimes the blurting out is strategic, though.

I think at times he wants a particular thing to be considered.

It's almost an overtwo window situation, and he will blurt out something that has, wait a minute, what?

I mean, you know, what did he say about,

again, I have been on vacation, so I may have missed all the context of this.

Forgive me if that's the case, but didn't, what did he say about Tulsi Gabbard when they were talking about the Iran issue?

He's, you know, she had said something about how.

I don't care what she says.

Yeah, I don't care what she says.

Like, you wouldn't expect the president of the United States to just say, like, yeah, I don't care what she says.

You wouldn't expect that.

But, like, sometimes Trump will say that.

And, like, he's maybe communicating a message.

Maybe he's saying, look, you know, that's,

you know, know, don't try to bother me with these, you know, these internal fights.

I don't know what he's saying in that moment, but like he does occasionally reveal things that you wouldn't expect him to reveal in a moment like that.

But generally speaking, it is just a bizarre thing to expect a president to answer.

Yeah, I don't take it as I don't care what Tulsi says.

I think he has respect for Tulsi.

I think he has heard her opinion, and I don't care.

Right.

I got it.

I got her.

You know, I don't care now.

You know, I've heard the opinion.

I've dismissed it or whatever.

I've taken it into consideration and I don't care anymore.

I'm my own man.

I'm going to make the decision.

I think that's what.

Yeah, I think so, too.

But that's a notable thing for a president to express, right?

You know, and I think that is where he is.

He is, you know, that team of rivals concept, right?

That doesn't mean that you.

I will continue to hear the same opinion from the same person over and over again that I disagree with, right?

Like you hear it and you make a decision on it.

And I think that's what he was expressing there.

By the way, did you see that abomination of a flag?

I mean, I love the fact that he's doing this, partly because, you know, if you've ever been to Mar-a-Lago,

he put this enormous flag up and it is stunning.

It is really, really beautiful.

But he just put a much bigger flag up.

He has a 60-foot pole.

Is it a 60-foot pole?

Guys in in here, we just looked this up.

I think a 60-foot

pole and an 18-by-25-foot flag because

Wes Palm was like, you can't put a 30-foot flag up.

And he did.

And he did, and they didn't like it.

Now he's put up an, they say it's a 100-foot pole, but it's an 88-foot pole.

Not one, but two, one in front and one behind the White House.

And that is an enormous, it's almost like a Texas

car showroom flag.

You know, in Texas, they have these enormous flags that just are, and he almost did that.

And part of it is because it's beautiful.

The other part is, I think it's a troll.

I think he's just like, that's going to drive them out of their mind.

I'm not going to put one just in the front.

I'm going to put one in the back, too.

And, you know, what president is going to take it down?

Nobody has ever done this.

Nobody's ever done this.

He, you know, when we went through the White House,

one of the things he told me was that they were going to build the ballroom.

And

he told me, you know, glad

the White House doesn't have a ballroom.

He talked to me about the other thing he's getting hammered on is there's this picture of me.

I should post this.

There's a picture of the president and I were back in behind the Oval Office and we're looking at the Rose Garden.

And I said,

this really pisses me off about Melania because I know all she did was restore the rose garden exactly to the plans of Jackie O.

And they tore her apart.

Oh, she's destroyed the rose garden.

Jackie Oh would be so upset.

She took Jackie O's plans and just recreated it.

She didn't add anything new.

She just restored what Jackie Oh had put.

And everybody ripped her apart.

And I was talking to him about it and he said, you know what, they're really going to go crazy on.

I'm going to pave the whole thing.

And I said, wait.

What?

And this picture of the two of us, he's pointing, or I'm pointing, I can't remember, but we're both telling stories about history.

And he's like, look, here's the problem.

This is where we have press conferences.

This is where we have people when we have

meetings with foreign leaders and everything else.

And he said, if it rains at all,

he said, everybody just sinks into mud and it becomes this giant mud hole.

So I'm just going to pave it over and just take this square.

And I said, oh, my gosh, Mr.

President, when you announce that, it is going to drive them out of their mind.

And he just smiled.

And then we turned and walked away.

And then he talked about what he's putting up.

He's putting a ballroom up, which is appropriate if he wants to pay for it.

I don't want to pay for it.

As a taxpayer, I don't care if you have him, I don't care if you have all the elites in mud holes.

But if you want to pay for it, Mr.

President, that's your money.

And he said, I'm going to build a beautiful, going to be the greatest American ballroom ever done.

And he's building this giant ballroom based, I think, kind of on what he has in Mar-a-Lago.

And it is beautiful and it's great.

And,

you know, he was talking about, I'm a builder.

I know how to build these things.

I know how to build it so it will last forever.

And he said, and I can build it cheaply and it'll be on my dime, but it will last forever.

And I said,

what?

is the process to build something here?

And he laughed and he said, that was my question.

I wanted to know what is it going to take?

What is it going to take?

He said, so I called the White House architect.

And because the White House architect has to approve absolutely everything.

And he said, Look, I want to take it right here from the, I think it's the East Room.

He said, I want to take it from the East Room.

You go through this wall.

There will be another, you know, covered walkway.

And it'll go out to this big, beautiful ballroom.

And I explained it to him.

And I said, so

can I do it?

And he said,

and what kind of time is it going to take me to get this thing done with all the permits?

And he said, the White House architect said, Mr.

President, you're going to love this.

You're the president, and the president can do whatever he wants

on the White House grounds.

So if you want to build it,

you're the one who has to sign all the permits.

So go ahead.

He looked at me and he said, I'm going to have this thing thing done by Thanksgiving.

And I have a feeling he just might, you know, if we, if war doesn't break out and he does not distract it on so many other things.

But what he's doing to the White House is

remarkable.

No other president has done anything like this.

You know, they built a rose garden.

I think it was Johnson.

Was it Johnson?

Or Ford?

I can't remember which one.

Built a pool.

Another one put a tennis court in.

But those were all things for the president, you know, and his family.

I want a pool.

I want a bowling alley.

And they would put things like this.

He's putting the American flag in because he thinks it says something about the White House, makes it more beautiful and more stunning.

And then he's putting in a ballroom because the country needs it for state dinners, et cetera, et cetera.

Not for his comfort.

And I don't think there's been another president that has done anything like this.

And

there is the extra benefit that it just really just drives the left out of their mind.

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Oh,

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You know, I like Tucker and I like Ted.

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There is a huge controversy going on in the right now because what do we need?

Why should we all come together?

Let's just start tearing each other apart even more.

Now, Mike Lee has proposed selling one half of 1% of federal land

to the private sector for quote affordable housing.

That's interesting term, affordable housing.

And

everybody is torpedoing him on it.

I want to talk to you about it.

I have a different stance, and it might even be different than Mike's, but he's going to join us in about half an hour to talk about what it actually says.

But I want to go through some of the arguments on this because I think we should have a real argument, especially for people.

You know, what is it, 70 or 60% of the population lives east of the Mississippi?

It might even be higher than that.

You have no idea what the West is like and how much acreage, you know, you would go crazy in the East if the United States government owned as much land and percentage of land as they own out west.

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Now, let me give you a couple of things from people I generally respect.

Chris Ruffo, I really respect.

I'm totally against selling this land.

Nobody is going to build affordable housing deep in

the Olympic Peninsula, which is one of the most beautiful places in the country.

I agree, it's in Washington State.

It's on the coast and it's a rainforest.

I want my kids hiking, fishing, and camping on those lands, not selling them off for some tax credit scam.

That's a question I want to ask Mike Lee about.

That's really good.

Matt Walsh chimes in.

I'm very opposed to the plan.

The biggest environmentalists in the country are and always have been conservatives who like to hunt and fish.

We don't just call ourselves environmentalists because the label has too much baggage and the practice always means just communist.

Really, we are naturalists in the tradition of Teddy Roosevelt, and that's why most of us hate the idea of selling off federal lands to build affordable housing or whatever.

I want to get to affordable housing here in a second.

Preserving nature is important.

It's a shame we haven't, that we've allowed

conservation to become so left-wing-coated, it never was historically.

No, and it still isn't.

You're right about one thing, Matt.

We are the best conservators.

We actually live in these places, we use these places.

We respect the animals, we respect the land.

We know how the circle of life works.

So I agree with you on that.

But affordable housing, why do you say affordable housing or whatever?

Are you afraid those will be black people?

I'm just playing devil's advocate.

You're just afraid of the black people.

You don't want any poor people in your neighborhood or your forests.

That's not what they mean by affordable housing.

And I know that's not what you mean either, but

what we mean by affordable housing is if you take a look at the percentage of land that is owned in some of these states,

you can't live in a house in some of these states, you know, close to anything for

less than a million dollars because there's no land.

There's plenty of land all around.

And some of it, I mean, let's just talk about Utah.

Some of it is like the surface of the moon.

But no, no, no.

You're not going to hunt and fish on the surface of the moon.

But we can't have you live anywhere.

I mean, you have to open up.

There is a balance between people and the planet.

And I'm sorry, but when you're talking about one half of 1%, and we're not talking about Yellowstone, you know, we're not.

Benji Backer, the Daily Caller, he says the United States is attempting to sell off 3 million acres of public land to be used for housing development through the addition of the spending bill.

This small provision to the Big Beautiful bill would put land in Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming at risk without so much as a full and fair debate by members of both sides of the political aisle.

You know,

I'll talk to him about this.

The irony is the addition of this provision by Republican-led Senate goes entirely against conservation legacy of conservation.

President Trump made a promise to revive this legacy.

You know, yada, yada, yada, more about Teddy Roosevelt.

Then let me give you this one from Lomez.

Is Mike Lee part of a sinister plan to sell off federal land?

This plan to sell off public lands is a terrible proposal that doesn't make any sense under our present circumstances and would be a colossal political blunder.

But I'll try to be fair to base Mike Lee and at least have him explain where this is all coming from.

Okay, I'm going to have him do that in about 30 minutes.

But let me give you just my perspective on this.

I'm from the West.

I love the West.

I don't hike myself.

I think there's about 80% of the people who say, I just love to hike, and they don't love to hike.

They never go outside.

But I'm at least willing to admit, I don't like to hike, but I love the land.

I live in a canyon now that I would love to just preserve this whole canyon in my lifetime.

I'm not going to rule from the grave, but in my lifetime to protect this so it remains unspoiled because it is beautiful.

But we're talking about selling 3 million acres of federal land, and it's becoming dangerous,

that it's a giveaway or a threat to nature.

But

can we just look at the perspective here?

The federal government owns 640 million acres.

That is nearly 28%

of all land in America.

How much land do we have?

Well, that's about the size of France, Germany, Poland, and the United Kingdom combined.

they own and hold pristine land that is more than the size of those countries combined.

And most of that is west of the Mississippi, where the federal control smothers the states.

Okay, shuts down opportunity, turns local citizens into tenants of the federal estate.

You can't afford any house because you don't have any land.

And, you know, the states can't afford to take care of all this land.

You know why the states can't afford?

Because you can't charge taxes on 70% of your land.

Anyway,

so meanwhile, the folks east of the Mississippi, like Kentucky, Georgia, Pennsylvania, you don't even realize, you know, how little of the land you actually control or how easy it is for the same policies to come for you.

And those policies are real.

Now, look, I am not talking about, I'm disturbed by by

Chris Ruffo saying that it is the Olympic forest.

I mean, you're not going to live in the rainforest.

I mean, I'd like to hear the case on that.

But we're not talking about selling Yellowstone or paving over Yosemite or anything like that.

We're talking about less than one half of 1% of federal land.

Land that is remote, hard to access, or mismanaged.

I live in the middle of a national forest.

So I'm surrounded on all sides by a national forest and then BLM land around that and then me.

You know who the worst neighbor I have is?

The federal government.

The BLM land is so badly mismanaged.

They don't care what's happening.

Yeah, I'm going to call my neighbor in Washington, D.C.

to have them fix something.

It's not going to happen.

If something's wrong with that land, me and my neighbors, we end up, you know,

fixing the land.

We end up doing it because the federal government sucks at it.

Okay,

so

here's one, less than one half of 1%.

Why is it hard to access that land?

Well, let me give you a story.

Yellowstone, do you know that the American bison, we call it the buffalo, but it's the American bison, there are no true American bison in any place other than Yellowstone.

Did you know that?

Here is almost an endangered species.

It's the only true American bison is in Yellowstone.

Ranchers, I would love to raise

real American bison, and I would protect them.

I would love to have them roaming on my land.

But you can't.

You can't.

Real bison, you can't.

Why?

Because the federal government won't allow any of them to be bred.

In fact, when Yellowstone has too many bison on their land, you know what the federal government does?

Kills them and buries them with a bulldozer.

Instead of saying, hey, we have too many, we're going to thin the herd, let's just put them on a truck.

And here's some ranchers that want to, you know, help repopulate the United States with bison.

No, no, no, you can't do that.

Why?

I don't know.

It's the federal government.

Stop asking questions.

Do you know what they've done to our bald eagles?

I have pictures of piles of bald eagles that they'll never show you.

They'll never show you.

You can't have a bald eagle feather.

It's against the law to have a feather from a bald eagle.

If it's flying and a feather falls off, you can't pick it up because they're that sacred.

But I have pictures of piles.

of bald eagles dead from the windmills and nobody says a thing.

Okay, but we're talking about lands.

States can't afford to manage it.

Okay, but how can the federal government?

Now, this is really important.

The federal government is, what, $35 trillion of debt, or are we $45 trillion now?

I'm not sure.

Our entitlement programs, all strained, infrastructure crumbling, and yet we're still clinging to millions of acres of land that the federal government can't maintain.

Okay, yeah, they can, because they can always print money.

We can't print money in in the state, so we can't afford it.

Okay.

Hear me out.

The BLM, Forest Service, Park Service, billions of dollars behind in maintenance, roads, trails, fire breaks.

Everything is falling apart.

So what's the real plan here?

Well, the Biden administration was the first one that was really open about it, pushing for what was called 30 by 30.

They want 30% of all U.S.

land and water under conservation by 2030.

But the real goal is 50-50, 50% of the land and the water in the government's control by 2050.

Half of the country locked up under federal or elite-approved protection.

Now, you think that's not going to affect your ability to hunt, fish, graze, cattle, harvest timber, just live free?

You're not going to be able to go on those.

It's not going to be conservatives who stop you from hunting and fishing.

It will be the same radical environmental ideologues who see the land as sacred over people.

I mean, you know, unless it's in your backyard, your truck, or your deer stand, you know, then I guess you can't touch that land.

Here's something that no one is talking about, and it goes to the 2030.

The Treasury right now, and they started under Obama, and they're still doing it now.

sorry, under Biden, and they're doing it now.

The Treasury is talking about putting federal land on the national balance sheet.

What does that mean?

Well, it's going to make our balance sheet look so much better because it looks like we have so much more wealth and we'll be able to print more money.

Uh-huh.

What happens,

you know, you put something sacred like that on your balance sheet and the piggy bank runs dry and all of the banks are like, ah, okay, well, you can't pay anymore.

What happens in a default?

What happens if there's catastrophic failure?

You don't get to go fish on that land because that land becomes Chinese.

You think our creditors, foreign and domestic, won't come knocking?

What happens when federal land is no longer a national treasure, but a financial asset that can be seized or sold or controlled by giant banks or foreign countries?

That land that you thought you'd always have access to for your kids, for your hunting lodge, for your way of life, that is really important.

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Now, conservatives are saying we got to let the federal government conserve all of our land because they're so good at everything that they do.

Right.

Okay.

Here's an alternative.

And I know it's going to sound like madness, but hear me out for a second.

Let the people who live near the land steward the land.

Let the ranchers, the farmers, the sportsmen, the private conservationists do what we've done for generations.

I'm not talking about selling all the federal land by any stretch of the imagination.

I love the national parks.

I love our national forests.

They are important to us.

But did you know that 80% of Americans' wetlands are privately held?

80% of our wetland, private land.

Or some of the most successful wildlife recoveries, from white-tailed deer to ducks to wild turkeys.

That's not happening because of Washington, D.C., but because because of a partnership between private landowners and sportsmen's groups.

Private ownership works.

Private stewardship works because it's accountable, local, and incentivized.

You break it, you fix it.

You profit from the land, you protect it.

This is the way of America.

And I know we just think that everything is just going to be owned by big, huge bosses that are smoking cigars in the back room.

And, you know, a lot of times that's true, but it doesn't have to be true.

This is really important to all of us.

You know, federal sprawl, faceless management from thousands of miles away, that doesn't work.

So when you hear media panic over 3 million acres of land, remember, this is not a sellout.

I believe it's a buy-in to freedom, responsibility, constitutional order.

They are trying to buy up to 50% of the land.

If you sell one half of 1% of what they currently hold, you're down to 27.5%

of all the land in America instead of 28.

And next year, they want to be at 29, and the year after that, at 30%.

What are you talking about?

Washington doesn't protect anything.

Washington destroys everything.

I have no problem.

You want to turn all of this land over to the state?

Then turn it over to the state where it belongs.

It does not belong in the hands of the federal government.

You can have national parks.

You can have national forests.

Okay.

But not, the state should not be told by the government that they can't have access to between 60 and 80 percent of the land in their own state.

You want to talk about fascism?

What is that?

Honestly, I want the federal government to get out of my way.

Sportsmen, ranchers, patriots, I don't know, we can care for it like we always have.

Because it's not just about land.

It is about our way of life.

It is about our traditions.

It is about our liberty.

And that's the most important one.

When you have the federal government claiming that they and actively,

they already have the money being pulled off every year.

They have the money pulled off so they can buy more land.

This is the only thing that they actually have a slush fund for that, you know, your Social Security, screw that.

But they have the money to buy more land.

And why are they buying it?

Not so you can hunt and fish.

but so they can push you into the cities.

You're not going to be able to hunt and fish on that land by 2050.

Your kids won't have that opportunity.

Why do you think that all around the big national parks, they are letting the infrastructure, the roads, and everything else in places where it's private land, why doesn't the government fix the roads, fix the infrastructure?

Because they don't want people there.

They want to keep pushing people into the cities.

This is,

we can

disagree on this, on what percentage or what lands or whatever.

We can debate all of that.

But if you don't take into consideration that the federal government is trying to gobble up all of the land, read the UN Agenda 2030, read Agenda 2050, read the World Economic Forum, read anything from these radical environmentalist groups.

They're all leftists.

Why do we give up the word environmentalist?

He's right, because it just means communist to us, which should tell you everything you need to know.

Who is leading all of this?

Globalists, communists, radicals, radical environmentalists.

You know what?

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Mike Lee is here, a man who hates land, who hates fishing, who hates water, who hates air, who just wants to sell all of our national parks, or at least good portions of them, to private fat cats so he can build, quote, affordable housing.

And we all know what that's code for, right?

I mean, this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

And I have had this conversation with my family, and I've tried to explain that to them calmly and peacefully, and it doesn't seem to make an impact.

But maybe Mike Lee, who is a much better orator than I am, can actually bring the facts to the table so we can stop having this stupid argument on selling the federal lands.

Mike Lee, welcome to the program.

Thanks so much, Glenn.

Good to be with you.

Thank you.

You are hated by many members of my family because you want them to stop fishing.

You want them to stop going to the national parks.

You want they've been hunting in certain areas and you are going to take it from them.

Look,

if all I knew about this bill were the falsehoods being circulated by the left, I'd hate it too.

But look, Glenn, here's the truth.

Every one of those statements that you made in your opening reflects falsehood.

What we're dealing with is an entire generation of Americans that will fail to launch if we can't bring the dream of homeownership back within reach.

And gears have failed policies.

It's helped drive up inflation and helped make living entirely unaffordable for young Americans.

We can't let that happen.

Meanwhile, the federal government owns 640 million acres of land, nearly a third of all land in the United States.

The vast majority of that land has zero recreational value.

Disposing of a fraction of 1% of that so that the next generation can afford a home is a common sense solution to a national problem.

Now, there are a lot of them.

Mike, I will tell you that that sounds great, but you're talking about building affordable housing deep in the Olympic Peninsula, which is a rainforest.

It's a beautiful place.

You just want the Olympic Peninsula to have houses in it?

Absolutely not.

And look, the map being circulated by the Left-Wing Wilderness Society, run by President Biden's own BLM director and eco-terrorist, you know, Tracy Stone-Manning, is flat-out misleading.

First of all, when this bill puts land up, puts it in the category of eligibility for sale, it doesn't mean for sale.

It just means there's a process by which it could be transferred.

That's impossible right now.

Secondly,

with regard to any of these protected lands, the crown jewel lands of the United States,

in this bill,

it can't operate.

Like legally, it excludes anything that's within any of the 15 designations of federally protected land.

So, if it's in a national park, a wilderness area, a recreation area, wild and scenic rivers, trails,

preserves, seashores, lakeshores, historic parks, memorials, any of the 15 categories, it's not even eligible for this.

And they're working on changes to further limit eligible lands to those

forest Service owned lands within two miles of a population center and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management within five miles of a population center.

So, this deals with land that is only

in or near a place where people live,

and it doesn't authorize the sale, it authorizes a process whereby it could be considered for that purpose.

I have heard from my environmentalist friends and family that that doesn't give anyone any ⁇ they have no say in their own lands.

They have no say in their own lands.

You're just going to take it, and there's no process.

You're just going to decide and take it and sell it.

Yeah.

All absolute falsehoods.

And

look, the bottom line.

What is the process?

What's the process, Mike?

The process for it, it requires the nomination,

the application to the Bureau of Land Management or to the U.S.

Forest Service to say this meets these criteria.

It doesn't fit within any of the categories of protected land.

It's within either two miles or five miles of an existing population center, depending on whether it's Forest Service or BLM land.

And at the end of the day, if the land is deemed suitable for single-family housing and by the way, that's all it's allowed for, is single-family housing, not high density housing of any kind.

Then and only then can it be purchased at a discounted rate so that more people can have access to land.

Now, look, we're talking here about nothing that would affect grazing rights.

It incorporates existing, valid existing rights, including grazing rights, and would take that land out of eligibility

for sale on something like this.

There is no land that will necessarily be sold, transferred, or handed over just because it appears on one of these maps.

What we're dealing with is a fraction of 1% of the land owned by the U.S.

government, an entity that was never supposed to own

between a fourth and a third of the land in the United States.

And this is not the crown jewel land.

This is garden variety land that's just sitting there vacant where people can, do, and should live.

Mike,

why is this so controversial among conservatives?

Well, frankly, I think some of it is being driven by the left, by misinformation driven by the left, and by people like Tracy Stone Manning.

I think there are other people,

other people who would consider themselves conservatives, who, for one reason or another,

are not working off of accurate information

and because they mistakenly believe that this bill would do more than it actually does, that it would sell

every parcel of land that we've got or every parcel of land that's

listed as potentially eligible here,

that that's going to bring on Armageddon.

But again, we're talking about a tiny fraction of all the land the U.S.

government owns, a fraction of 1% of all that.

And in states like mine, in Utah, where the federal government owns close to 70%

of the land in our state, and meanwhile, we've got people moving in from places like California.

We've got families that are growing and people are experiencing a genuine housing shortage.

This is there to help address that.

President Trump knows that this is unacceptable, that America should be dealing with such a housing crisis, especially in western states like mine, where there's a lot of federal land.

That's why President Trump has talked about this sort of thing.

He said, they can't find housing.

We have so much land, and we're going to put it to use.

And I applaud him for doing so.

What are the chances that this goes through as is?

Look, I think we've got a very good chance of it going through as part of the big, beautiful bill,

which the Senate will be considering as early as next week.

And look, the American people will be better off as a result of this.

We have to realize that it's more important, particularly in lands that are in or near existing population centers,

we ought to make some of that available, especially in states with a lot of public land like mine.

I have family members, Mike, that I've been joking about it here, but I have family members been going back and forth with me, and we've had great conversations.

But it is,

they are really, truly terrified that the land that they have hunted on, they've camped on, they've hiked on, is all going to be gone, and they won't have anything to say about it.

Yes, well, and that's simply not true.

Look, we've got state and local government consultation requirements, and the agencies are still going to have to comply with

all kinds of existing federal laws,

including the APA, necessitating a public process by which these lands would be considered.

And so those who are suggesting this bill does more than it actually does, in some instances, people might be operating on good faith based on things others have repeated.

But I think a lot of this is being driven by the far left and by people like ecoterrorist Tracy Stone Manning, who accept as almost an article of faith that you can't ever allow any land that is today

under the ownership of the U.S.

government, you can't ever let that be owned by anyone else.

Well, simply illogical, and it's very unfair to those who live in public land states.

And 30 by 30 wants 30%.

So they want to gain another 3%.

And 50 by 50 wants 50% of the American land.

That is the goal of the left.

And, you know, I don't understand how people are not talking about that part of it, which is well documented.

I mean, Biden put it into play.

Why isn't anybody talking about this?

We're talking about

less than a half a percent.

And they're talking about gobbling up 3% in the next three years alone.

I don't know.

I think that kind of seems important.

And the other thing that really bothers me that the federal government is doing, our treasury is doing, is they're trying to put all of our land onto our balance sheet.

I don't like that, Mike.

What happens in the end when we can't pay our bills because we just would never face reality?

I mean, what happens then?

Who's buying the big banks, maybe foreign governments?

Who gets that land when the government is just pissed it away in

debt?

No, that's exactly right.

We've got to get a hold of our debt and deficit.

We've also got to make it possible for people to continue to live the American dream.

And the way to happiness is not more government ownership.

The way to happiness is to allow the American people a fighting chance in the race.

of life and the ability to raise their families.

It's just on no planet is it unreasonable to say we're going to take a fraction of a percent of federal land that's not protected and make it potentially eligible for consideration for a

place where people could live.

Quickly, Mike,

how did they get all this land?

How did this happen?

All right.

As states were added to the Union,

starting really with the Louisiana Purchase, land that was not owned by somebody as of the moment of statehood was very often deemed federal in the Statehood Enabling Act of the state in question.

And states like mine, and many of those states had it since the Louisiana purchase,

got language in there contemplating that federal land would ultimately be sold, and that as it was sold,

a percentage of it would go to the state,

often as is the case in Utah's Enabling Act, for the benefit of the state's public education system.

The U.S.

government honored that that plan with respect to states throughout the Midwest.

When we got to the Rocky Mountains, the land was regarded as rugged, not as valuable, and it didn't unfold that way.

And policy changed in the mid-70s, not leading to that.

But this all comes back to something that was actually discussed at the Constitutional Convention.

I believe it was Elbridge Gary of Massachusetts who in September of 1787 raised a concern, talking about the the fact that

it could be a problem

if the U.S.

government controlled too much land in some of the states and utilized its vast authority over that land.

It could compel those states to an undue sort of subservience to the U.S.

government.

And it's a legitimate concern.

And it's a concern that I think is reflected in this bill, but this bill more than anything is there to help the American people afford housing, particularly in states like mine where there's a lot of federal land that doesn't have any recreational value or aesthetic value or scientific value, but is in a place where people live and need homes.

That should at least be eligible for consideration.

Right now, it's not.

That's unfair.

This bill would fix that.

Thanks, Mike.

I appreciate it.

I got to tell you, there's not a single person that signed the Constitution that would have signed it if they knew the federal government could control 70% of their land.

They would never have signed it.

Never have signed it.

Mike, thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

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