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And it just gets better and better.

I have spent

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Hello, Stu.

How are you?

Great, Glenn.

Yeah, I'm fantastic.

I'm not a customer of either either one of those companies, so I'm doing pretty well.

Yeah, so you're good.

You're good.

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Zayo sounds really great.

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But I'm sure they're working on it right before this three-day weekend.

Well, no work will be done.

So I'll be going into next week with the same problems.

Thank you, Zayo, and thank you, Direct.

Anyway, so let's talk about what happened in

Washington yesterday.

We told you about the shooting

of these two kids.

You know where they were, Stu?

They were in Washington.

These two Jewish people.

They were about to get married.

He just bought a ring for her this week.

And then

they were going to Israel next week, and he was going to propose to her.

You know where they were when they were shot down by this socialist radical?

I know they were in Washington, D.C., right by the museum.

Uh-huh.

What were they doing there?

That I don't know off the top of my head.

I know they were across the street from the FBI building, which is

kind of interesting, and two blocks away from the D.C.

police.

So

interesting place for this murder to occur.

But what were they doing?

No, but you know what?

Washington, D.C.

is perfectly safe.

I think they have that.

I think they have that down.

They were actually at a fundraiser to

help

the people of Gaza.

So

they were at a fundraiser

to help the people of Gaza with food and everything else, and the free Palestine guy comes in and shoots them.

And it was

pretty amazing.

Yeah, there's one thing we have learned very clearly over the past couple of years is being a Jew and being in favor of the people in Gaza does not protect you.

Ask the people on October 7th who were right across the border and lived there because they were so friendly, many of them, to Gaza and wound up getting murdered on October 7th.

One side actually cares about human life.

One side cares about life.

The other is only about death.

So they were at Access, the Young Diplomats reception, and all of the attendees, what they were doing there was discussing how to bring more aid to the Gaza Strip.

And they're shot down.

Have you heard anybody really talk about that at all?

I mean, don't you think that's kind of an important part of the story?

Yeah, a huge part of the story, you'd think.

But of course, does it really matter?

I mean,

to the left and to the Hamas side of the left, it doesn't matter.

Are they Jews?

That's the question that they need the answer to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Are they Jews?

Okay, so

the murderer, we're going to get into him here in just a second.

Let me just paint the scene for you.

He comes out and he has a H ⁇ K 9mm pistol.

He shoots it 21 times at these two.

21

times.

That's rage.

He then reloads.

as Milgram, the girl, is trying to crawl away.

She's been injured and she's trying to crawl away from

him.

He reloads and shoots her more.

He then drops the weapon and he runs into the museum.

Now when he runs into the museum, all of the Jews in the museum, they think he's a victim.

And one of them said he was soaking wet.

He was wearing a suit, glasses, brownish black hair.

He was in a state of shock.

He came in.

He was pacing.

We thought he was a bystander.

So someone brought him over water,

sat him down, and kept checking in on him to make sure he was okay.

Then when he collects himself, he produces his scarf and then he says, I did this.

I did this for Gaza.

Free, free Palestine.

From the river to the sea, there's only one solution.

Yeah, what is that solution?

Sounds like maybe it's an end solution.

That's not quite right.

A concluding solution.

Kind of close.

A concluding.

Hey, hey, how about a final solution?

Yeah,

that one works.

So

police come.

They arrest him.

He admits everything.

He says he did it for Palestine.

Now we find out that he has ties to a radical left-wing group, Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Now, Stu, do you know anyone,

anyone at all on the national scene that has been saying,

this is coming

because socialism always produces this?

You know, anybody, anybody at all you can think of?

I heard a show once, maybe every day for 20 some odd years that was talking about this.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But no, no, no, no.

The radicals you need to worry about are the Christians.

So he's well known to the Chicago police.

Law enforcement sources have told the New York Post that he was a regular fixture at protests for causes including the 2014 police shooting of Teen LaQuan McDonald, Black Lives Matter, and more.

He has recently been on all the rallies opposing the war in Gaza.

Now, this is how pathetic and a loser this guy is.

He has a GoFundMe page, and it dates back to 2017,

and it shows that he was self-radicalized because he has spent his time in the far-left politics world.

He was born and raised in Chicago, bachelor's degree in English from the University of Illinois.

And here's, I mean, if this, if he didn't hold the dream job, I mean, I would, I wouldn't kill anybody, but I would, I would be willing to go to prison if this was my job.

He was a content writer for the American Osteopathic Information Association.

Now, that's got to be some riveting stuff that they're writing about every day there.

Now, his GoFundMe page

raised a lot of money for him.

He was asking for donations because he wanted to go to the People's Congress of Resistance,

which was a leftist gathering in Washington, D.C., that rallied under the slogan, Stand Against Imperialism, Down with a Warfare State.

In other words, destroy America.

And he needed money to be able to go, and so he put a GoFundMe page together and he garnered $240 in donations.

So

he didn't go.

But he described himself online as a son of an Army National Guardsman who was deployed in Iraq.

Now listen to this.

This is what he wrote.

When my dad came home from Baghdad, he came back with souvenirs.

One of them was a magazine pouch with a warning in Arabic to back away or my dad would shoot and kill you.

He joked the print was so small an Iraqi would be dead long before they had a chance to read it.

He also gave me a patch of an Iraqi national flag that he once ripped off an Iraqi soldier's uniform because he could.

He concludes, I don't want to see another generation of Americans coming home from genocidal wars with trophies.

Fast forward to this week, police now are investigating whether he penned an anti-Israel manifesto in the hours leading up to the bloodshed.

They have a screed that was dated May 20th, and he says the killings are an act of political protest ignited by the war in Gaza.

Stu, when you gun somebody down in the streets

as a political protest,

what is that actually called?

It starts with a T, I believe.

T.

Yeah.

Oh, terrorism.

Terrorism.

Yeah.

Yeah, terrorism.

Yeah.

He says an armed action is not necessarily a military action.

It's usually not.

Usually it's in the theater and a spectacle, a quality it shares with many unarmed actions.

But

those of us against genocide have forfeited our humanity.

Oh, yeah, you did.

You did.

When the FBI stormed his house in Chicago, you know,

the neighbor said the same thing.

No idea.

He was just a quiet, nice guy, you know.

He did have a few signs in his windows, you know,

that,

you know, justice for Wadiah, a reference to the six-year-old Palestinian American boy who was stabbed to death in Chicago by his landlord.

In October 2023, the landlord, incited by the war of Israel and Hamas, went in and stabbed the boy to death.

Okay.

So he wanted justice for that kid.

And apparently he didn't get it because the guy who stabbed the boy went to prison for murder.

What more justice can man give?

Because any justice beyond that

isn't justice.

And if you want more justice than that, you got to wait until that man dies and then God deals him justice.

The only thing man can do is take him off the street and put him in jail.

And if it wasn't for you socialist slugs, the guy would be strapped to an electric chair by now.

But no, no, no, you want justice for people who kill people.

Except if they kill the people you like, then you want justice and you'll go out and kill other people because they're only rotting in prison for the rest of their life.

Do you see how insane all of this is?

By the way,

outside of his door, he had all kinds of signs, you know,

including a Hello Kitty sign.

So, I don't know how that one works into it.

Now, online, he has posted.

Now, see if any of this sounds like, oh, I don't know, maybe we should follow these breadcrumbs.

They're not even crumbs, they're whole loaves of bread and 50-pound sacks of flour.

He posted praise for Luigi Mangion and wrote Death to America.

On New Year's,

this is great.

What do you tweet on New Year's, Stu?

What do you do?

Happy New Year.

Happy New Year.

Happy New Year.

Yeah.

He did that.

Happy New Year.

Death to Israel.

So he added a little thing, but

one post claimed 80% of the country applauds the targeted annihilation of healthcare insurance executive.

Wow, that's a troubling stat.

It's actually kind of close to true.

What is it, about 50% or 40%?

When Trump won in November, he posted to X, don't blame me, I voted for Hamas.

Another post from December said, violence does not have to happen, but if it does, then it should.

Oh my gosh, that is so deep and profound.

It's almost like he

writes for the American Osteopathic Information Association every day, because that's deep.

That's poetry.

Violence does not have to happen, but if it does, then it should.

Deep.

Oh, these people are so stupid.

They are so dangerous because they are so stupid.

What the hell does that mean?

Violence shouldn't happen, but if it does, it should.

So violence shouldn't happen, but because Putin decided to invade Ukraine and rain down violence, it should.

Am I reading?

Am I missing the main point of this?

You could also summarize it.

Deeper?

Yeah, you could summarize it as all violence is justified.

That's essentially what is being said there, right?

Like it's a cutesy little way of saying every time violence occurs, it's good.

Then, just to get around the algorithm, he also tweeted out death, but the A

is the at sign.

And then instead of 2-T-O, he writes the number 2, and then he spells America.

A-M-E-R-I-K-K-K-A.

That's a new one.

That's so clever.

That's a new one.

He's so clever.

Yeah.

Yeah.

By the way, Glenn.

You know,

stupidity doesn't, it doesn't have to happen, but when it does,

it should.

It should.

By the way, Glenn, do we have any evidence that putting an asterisk in the middle of some controversial word makes any difference?

I see this all over the place on social media.

They're doing it all the time.

And sometimes words like death or sex or sometimes just really basic things.

Does this accomplish anything?

Has anyone ever

known?

I know somebody who would know.

And

I'll call them before the show is over and I'll get that answer for you.

Oh, please do.

Remind me.

Please do.

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Oh, by the way, the shooter,

he also worked, let me see if I can get the name of this.

He also worked for an education group backed by the Ford Foundation and the MacArthur Foundation, bringing shootings on the streets near you.

I mean,

as long as the shooter is someone...

a person like you.

The same people that, you know, Ford Foundation that loves NPR and and MacArthur Foundations, Ford was a monster, in case you don't know, an absolute monster.

And what he's done with his wealth is absolutely monstrous.

But, you know,

I think I want to do a series on some of these guys.

You know, because they always say the robber barons.

No, forget about robber barons, please.

The guys who built the railroads, they're the robber barons.

You know, you know who the ones that really stole from America?

Ford and Rockefeller.

And they didn't take our money.

They took our freedom.

They took our history.

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So congratulations, Ford Foundation and MacArthur Foundation.

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Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

It's Memorial Day weekend.

There's good news.

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Now you might say, but Glenn, it's $3 a gallon.

Yes, but I remember it was less than $3 a gallon in 2003.

And you'd be right.

It was $1.53.

However,

the slight caveat on the happy part is

your dollar has lost about half its value.

So

$1.53, what you could buy in 2003 for $1.53 now costs $3.

But just remember, it's the lowest that it has been.

So that is good news.

The inflation thing might be a problem we should work on.

We should work on it.

Really?

How do you stop something like that?

Is there a path to maybe try to reduce inflation over a long period of time?

You stop spending so much money

and you don't print money.

Huh.

Or borrow money like that.

Yeah.

What if instead we try to get like $50 trillion in debt?

Would that be another path to success?

What is your your goal?

I was hoping to lower inflation.

Would that work?

No, no, that would not work.

I just wanted to make sure that you weren't one of the Marxist radicals that were like, collapse the system.

Oh, okay.

Because that would work.

That would work for that.

That would work.

Yeah, that would.

That would work for that.

Let me give you some more good news here.

Let's see.

The former candidate who threatened to hire a Russian-Ukrainian hit squad to kill Anna Paulina Luna,

going to jail, in prison, in prison.

Yeah, we got that going for us.

There's some good news.

Law enforcement is beginning to work.

Supreme Court has sided with Judge on,

or sided with Trump on the firing of officials from independent federal agencies.

So

he can remove without cause executive officers who exercise that power on his behalf.

subject to very narrow exemptions.

A Trump judge has also killed Biden's requirement that employers accommodate workers' efforts to abort their own unborn children.

You know what?

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because

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But they assure me that it's completely safe.

But you still have to pay me for that.

No, no, you don't have to do it.

You know, Glenn.

You don't have to do that.

Not every host can work in the story of someone hemorrhaging after a failed abortion into the good news segment of the program.

But you did it.

That's right.

I did there.

I did it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for recognition on this, dude.

Thank you.

Finally, somebody sees the talent that I have.

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Thank you.

Senate has now voted to overturn California's EV mandate.

That is a huge defeat for climate activists, and I weep for them.

While we're there with the EPA, I don't know if you saw Zeldon testifying in front of Congress,

but

oh my gosh,

it was

almost conservative porn.

I like Lee Zeldon a lot.

And

one Senate Democrat coming after him and Zeldon turned and said, you know, the American taxpayers, they put President Trump in office because of people like you.

Because what he was saying is we're cutting the budget of the EPA because there's waste, there's fraud, and there's corruption.

And he decided,

they decided they didn't like that.

They didn't like that.

And so White House, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse from Rhode Island,

he's looking at and he says, wait a minute, wait a minute.

You are lying about the waste, fraud, and abuse.

And he said,

no.

No, Senator, I'm not.

We're just not going to waste dollars because you insist on EPA, the EPA lighting taxpayer dollars on fire.

We're not going to do it.

And

he came back.

He said,

you don't even know.

You have nothing.

You can't even tell me any of these cuts.

He's like, you know, I could go through all of them.

I'm prepared to go through all of them.

And that's when Ed Markey.

another super, superhero from Massachusetts, he said, well, provide that list.

Provide the list of waste, fraud, and abuse.

And then Zeldon said, okay, well, let's start here.

Provide the list.

And he's like, I got it.

Let me just,

as soon as he starts, he interrupts him.

And then he's like, Zeldon just keeps talking.

And Marky says, I reclaim my time.

I call my time back.

He says, they had no.

And Zeldon said, you don't want me to go through the list of all the evidence of waste and abuse.

You don't care about the conflicts of interest.

You don't care about all of the unqualified recipients.

Every time, every time I start to give it, I'm happy to go through the list, but you declare there's no evidence, but you don't want me to even go through the list.

Every time I talk,

you talk over me.

The Democrats are just, I mean, they are really floundering.

By the way, and

maybe we're going to see some more justice here.

Act Blue officials,

they have been asked to come to testify in front of Congress

because Congress is doing a foreign donations probe.

Now, Stu, foreign donations.

That would be like if

Trump was being funded by the Russians.

That's a pretty big deal, right?

I remember that being a really big deal.

Sure, yeah.

He's getting money from foreign governments.

He's on the take from foreign governments.

And then, you you know, of course, we had Biden, who was taking all kinds of cash from several foreign governments.

Maybe it's only if you have one foreign government giving you money.

I'm not sure.

But they made a really big deal about that with Trump.

Nothing about Biden.

And now the Act Blue people are refusing to testify.

And Congress is like, well, that's fine.

We'll subpoena you.

So there might be some people going to jail there.

I'm telling you, handcuffs are coming.

Handcuffs are coming over the next couple of months.

I think we're going to see lots of handcuffs coming out.

We're going to see handcuffs on the people of

COVID, the COVID fraud, the cover-up.

That's what's going to happen.

It's the cover-up.

It's not about the vaccine.

It's not Fauci.

It's going to be the people that knew that there were really dangerous side effects and then tried to cover that up and keep that out of the press and keep people from knowing about those side effects.

And those people, you're going to see them in handcuffs, I think very, very soon.

The church, and it won't be just political people,

a church and 20 people have been charged in a $60 million Medicaid scam.

The AG

from Arizona has accused the Happy House Behavioral Health LLC.

The Happy House Behavioral Health.

Sounds like LLC.

Well, to me, the first phrase that pops into my mind is,

would you like rub down at Happy House?

Oh, no.

I'm just saying,

it's what comes to mind.

Anyway,

they took taxpayer funds for services

it neither

provided or only partially delivered.

And then they were billing for services for clients who were deceased or in prison.

So

they couldn't have given them those services.

I guess no rub downs in prison.

It's always sad when you have that situation.

When you lose the rub downs in prison, it's always very, very sad.

You know, John Deere is

deciding, you know what, maybe we should be a little more American because, after all, we are John Deere.

John Deere, who is,

if memory serves me correctly,

kind of a radical, out of step with the Heartland of America kind of company.

But

yeah, they've seen the light.

They've seen the light.

They are going to invest $20 billion in U.S.

operations over the next 10 years.

So that's a couple billion dollars they're pouring into our manufacturing and job creation and our local communities.

So congratulations, John Deere, for stepping to the plate.

The federal, there's a federal probe now with media matters.

That makes me sad.

Oh, no, wait.

I'm sorry.

Just the opposite.

It makes me happy.

Congress is now looking in, and the feds, I'm sorry, not just Congress,

but federal regulators are now looking into Media Matters over their plot to defund Musk's X and silence dissenting voices.

Now, that's something new.

I've not heard of Media Matters trying to silence voices that

are voices of dissent.

Have you heard that, Stuve, about them?

No.

Gosh, I mean, they just seem like such a, I mean, what they're doing is monitoring the media to make sure, you know, that's right.

The conservative media, which, as you know, controls the entire ecosphere of

media and make sure they held that, hold them accountable because that's what they do, Glenn.

Also, they just take a bunch of money from their donors and light it on fire.

That's the other thing they do.

Yeah, they do.

They're just such wonderful people.

The U.S.

Mint now is following through on the death of the penny.

The last order for pennies

has just been given, and so they're stopped producing metal pennies.

Now, I just want to ask,

are we doing cardboard penny?

Why is it phrased that way?

We're no longer producing metal pennies.

I think it's to allow for the fact that we will still calculate pennies in digital form going forward.

So it's not like

every we're just rounding up to the nearest five cents, right?

Right.

But like, no, not

that's in a

retail transaction.

That's supposedly what's going to happen when we run out of pennies.

So you go to 7-Eleven, you buy something, it's $2.89, you pay $2.90.

So that's what's going to happen.

But

if I'm sending you a Venmo, I can still send you $2.89.

Right.

Like, so

digitally.

So my digital, wow, wouldn't it be great if we had a central bank digital currency?

It would make all these penny things so much easier.

So digitally, you can use pennies, but not in actual cash transactions.

Yeah.

Once they run out, they're doing that thing that some companies do where they'll just saying, like, we're not firing everybody.

We're just not replacing anyone who retires.

That's kind of the concept with the penny thing.

So they're just going to let them kind of run out of existence, but they'll still, I mean, obviously there's a lot of them out there.

So there'll still be transactions for a long time.

So I don't know if this is waste.

I mean, that Donald Trump, he's lying about waste all the time.

10 years ago, the penny production, to produce one penny, it was 1.3 cents.

It cost us a third of a penny more than the penny was worth to make the penny.

And,

but don't worry about it.

You know, since the pandemic, it's just up now to 3.69.

So 3 cents.

I would just say that 3.69 cents.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, over three times, or about three times as much as

they actually are worth.

It takes to produce them.

By the way, also, the other part of that is it's actually cheaper to produce a dollar than it is to produce a penny, which is perfectly sensible.

Isn't that amazing?

Because think of the technology that goes into dollars.

I mean, it's cotton.

It's got stuff woven into it.

It has holograms.

It has watermarks.

Think of what, I mean, that's amazing.

You can produce that for less than three cents?

Yeah, something like it's like 1.4 cents or something for a dollar.

Wow.

So it's much, much cheaper than producing a penny.

So Trump, the DOJ, has just dismissed binaro lawsuits against minneapolis louisville uh the police department there um trump has escalated the war against harvard uh you know harvard just loves their dei programs uh and uh gosh darn it we just we have to be anti-racist and you know what maybe a little uh pro-Palestinian uh Palestinians you know free Palestine free Palestine

so they're shutting down the visas uh to Harvard for any international students, which is interesting.

And Harvard is like, we're going to fight this.

Well, go ahead, go ahead.

But you're going to lose all those foreign students during the fight.

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Wouldn't it be better to, I mean, that's absolutely not true, but don't you think, Stu?

It'd be so much easier.

You know?

Yeah.

Religion, I think religion needs a few more loopholes, you know?

You know, just for the good of the kids.

Just for the good of the kids.

At least we're not on a religious holiday weekend coming up.

So you don't get immediately struck by lightning.

Right.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

So

I'm really excited.

I am a big Mission Impossible fan.

I love Tom Cruise.

I think he is.

I think he is.

I think if I could do an interview with anyone, it might be Tom Cruise.

Really?

If I could really sit down for an hour and and have a conversation with somebody, I think it would be him.

I find him fascinating because he is,

he seems to be a really good guy, you know, that, you know, somebody snatches a purse on the street and he's on the street.

He chases the guy down and gets the purse.

You know, who does that?

He is a guy who like holds more licenses for airplanes, helicopters, you name it.

He has every operating license I think that you can get.

Who does that?

So, your two pieces of evidence is he went after a guy, someone who stole a purse, and he has a bunch of licenses to operate vehicles.

No, no, no, no, it's not that.

I find him interesting because I think he actually is like an action hero in real life.

He just doesn't seem to have any fear of anything.

And that goes also into his life.

He's like, you know, it'd be great if

I jumped out of the window of the Khalifa Tower.

And when

the sane people in his life said,

no,

I don't think we'll ensure that,

he was like, okay, well, I'll ensure it.

And he does it.

I mean, who does that?

Who does that?

Legitimate movie star.

Maybe the last one.

I mean,

at least of that, like.

How do you define movie star?

I don't know.

There's a feel.

I mean,

there's a bit of mystery, I feel like, with the movie star thing, right?

Like, you almost like are above, it's that we don't know every detail of your life.

You're not posting on social media every 10 seconds about everything that you're doing.

Like, there's some star quality.

I remember this with Rush Limbaugh back in the day when he was broadcasting, and he didn't do any of that stuff.

He was just like, I'm going to do the show, and you're going to listen to me on the show, and you'll all write about us on the show, and everything that I say, you'll write about, and you'll broadcast, and we'll talk about it, and everyone will be talking about it, and I won't post once.

And I just remember thinking, like, that's a totally different person.

I think it's, I think it's gone, right?

I remember like,

we really

have to post.

We have to do all that stuff.

We're not him.

He's a legend.

And I think at some level, there is that

thing with Tom Cruise.

Like, he doesn't have to really do interviews.

He doesn't have to go out and promote everything he's doing.

He just does the movies and they're massive.

And

even though people and he's only gotten in politics or healthcare one time it didn't go well and he was off that and you never hear him talk about it again.

Yeah.

There was a weird period and it did damage him, you know, like

even when

he was talking about his, you know, his relationships.

And look, there's a lot of stuff behind the scenes that, you know, a lot of people, especially that the Scientology skeptics really don't like him.

And there's a lot of people who say that he's not the best guy in the world.

I don't know how much of that is true, but it does, he does, he does seem like a relic in a way.

And I think

movie stars have to be

bigger than life.

You know, real movie stars have to be bigger than life.

They have to be like, I can't believe.

And, you know, in one of the Mission Impossible movies, he's doing a motorcycle scene.

He crashes.

He breaks his leg.

They put him in a cast.

He gets back on the motorcycle and films it again.

And they CGI his leg out of a cast.

Did you know that?

Incredible.

I mean, it's, he is just, he's, he's,

there's just something different about him.

And he's just such a great actor.

And it, you know, of course, it doesn't hurt that all the women in the world are like, oh, Tom Cruise.

Tommy.

You know, you know, he's 62.

Shut up.

Shut up.

He also can just open a movie by himself, right?

Like,

it's just Tom Cruise.

The name of the movie this weekend is not Mission Impossible reckoning part eight, part two, part four,

or whatever they're calling it.

It's just Tom Cruise.

That's the name of the movie.

That is the

entire thing, right?

Like, this is a long-standing franchise, but like, just him being in a movie that's kind of an action movie automatically means nine figures.

Yeah, it it does.

It does.

I mean, Tom Hanks used to be that way.

Yep.

Where if Tom Hanks was in it, you'd go.

I can't remember the last bad Tom Cruise movie.

Can you?

I mean, there have been some.

There have been some.

Oh, yeah, yeah,

but you have to go back a ways.

Yeah.

But anyway,

that's the only thing on my list to do this weekend.

Oh, really?

The rest of it is, oh, yeah, just, the rest of it is just, I'm going to be a slug out here in the mountains.

That's it.

That's it.

Sounds like fun.

Be outside.

Yeah.

What are you doing?

I've got an interesting weekend myself.

Actually, this weekend is my son's big travel baseball tournament.

Oh, really?

A big weekend.

So it's a tournament.

Yeah.

Usually one or two a year where he's got, you know, we're traveling somewhere, either long drive or flight to do a baseball tournament.

And it's great for you because you always get to sit there in the stands and cheer for your son and watch him do amazing things because he's really good.

He is.

He's a very good player and he's playing at a high level.

And I love sports.

I love baseball.

And my son's my favorite player.

So I get to go out there and watch him.

And

it's fantastic.

This is going to be a great weekend.

Well,

yeah.

Well, there's...

There's a bit of a development.

You got to go watch your son's in a tournament and you got to go watch your son all weekend at a tournament.

And it's true.

I do stop a lot of times and think to myself, like, this is going to be gone soon, and I'm not going to be able to watch him.

And I really do cherish watching him in these tournaments.

There's an interesting development with this particular tournament, however, which is

it actually goes back to my son's last tournament where last weekend where he was playing and they were winning, I think, 8-1, and it was the last inning.

There's one out.

He's playing first base, and a little pop-up from

from the batter in a game you know again it's at the end of the game last inning they've already basically won nobody's on base like whatever and uh he goes to catch the pop-up and um he dives for or he slides to try to catch it uh and uh then he uh as he told me heard and felt a pop

um which is not a good development okay and he he's writhing around in pain on on the ground and um and so you know of course you got to take him uh wound up taking him to the

hospital, or not the hospital, the

ER or

whatever those things are.

He gets

urgent care.

He gets an x-ray, does not show anything.

So we're like, okay, looks like he's going to feel better.

He starts feeling better, during the week, feeling better.

We have to get an MRI just to rule everything out.

Glenn, you just want to make sure you rule everything out.

They first said, you know, you really need to get an MRI, but why don't you get one?

So we got the MRI.

Results came back yesterday, and he's got a fracture in his hip.

In his hip.

Yes, a avulsion fracture, which is where the ligament pulls so hard on the bone, the ligament actually fractures the bone,

which sounds like a lot of fun.

And which also means I will now be going to the tournament and watching all the games, but he won't be playing in any of them because he's out four to six weeks.

Wait, why, wait, why, why, why, why are you going to the game if your son's not playing?

Well, I,

it's very important to him to go and travel with his team and cheer them up.

Have you thought about kicking him in the hip until he can't get into the car?

No, no, I have not.

You might want to think of that because that would cross my mind.

That would cross my mind.

Like a Tanya Harding situation?

Like maybe I hire someone.

Well, no, I do it myself.

If you want to do it, do it yourself.

I mean, have some pride.

Have some pride in in your worksmanship.

Yeah.

Yes.

So you get to go, where is the tournament?

Tournament's in Oklahoma City,

which is

fun.

But I will say you should note that, like, for example, we'll be staying in Oklahoma City, but like the tournament games are often 40 minutes outside of Oklahoma City.

So I'll get to drive to Oklahoma City and then I'll

let me summarize your weekend because it sounds fun.

Okay.

You're going to drive to Oklahoma City with your son, who's in pain,

and he's going to probably suit up and not sit with you, right?

He'll be sitting with you.

I will be alone.

Yeah, that's the one.

You'll be alone in the stands and watching games that you don't really care about at all because your son's not playing.

So you can watch this

all weekend long really dispassionately.

More like a science experiment.

You know what I mean?

You're not rooting for anybody.

So it's pure baseball science that you're engaged in by yourself in a stadium 40 minutes out of Oklahoma City.

And you get to do it all weekend.

Yeah, all weekend long.

Now, the good thing is, of course, you're a better dad than I am.

You really are.

I would so be.

If it wouldn't be for my wife, I'd kick my son in the hip.

Well, okay.

I mean, look, it'll be, it'll, I do, I, the parents are great.

The kids, I'm rooting for them.

I love all the kids on the team.

And, and, and I will, uh, you know, I do love watching baseball.

But, you know, the good thing is, of course, Glenn, I'll also have my wife and daughter along with me so we can spend time together.

Oh, wait, no, they bailed already.

So, no, it's just going to be me.

And I'm going to be able to do that.

You're going to be kidding me.

They were supposed to come.

This is your Vietnam.

You call Lisa up.

This is our Vietnam, baby.

This is our nom.

You're coming with me.

She's like, when the injury happened, like, and she does not want our son to be injured quite clearly, but she also is not, I would say, not a baseball fan.

And I don't, there was a little glimmer in her eyes when she realized she wasn't going to be playing and she could stay home.

I think there was a

just a slight couple of times.

That's unacceptable.

That is absolutely unacceptable.

Unacceptable.

No, it'll be.

No, I don't know.

There is, and I mean this sincerely, I think there is a part in me, a missing piece in me.

And maybe it's because how I grew up and everything else, or just I'm just a bad person.

But,

you know, my wife, and I was with somebody this week, and there was like all of these things in their life that was burning down in business.

And he was like,

I won't be around

tomorrow.

All these things really he had to take care of.

And I won't be around tomorrow because I'm going someplace to go pick up a dog for my kids.

And I'm like,

you can't do that another day.

And he's like, no, I promised my kids and I was like wow That's a good dad

That's a good dad

So the missing piece in you is being a good dad That's not yes, it is it is it really is because honestly I would be doing everything I could to convince my son

You're not going you're just you're you're too sick to go.

You just you're too sick.

You can't use too sick to go or

you're healthy enough to go with someone else.

You don't need my help.

Right.

Okay.

That's another option.

I couldn't sit in the stand, but I don't, I don't like

sports like you do.

You love baseball.

I don't think I could.

I will be,

I mean, I joke about this, but like, I will totally be into the games and I will,

you know,

this is like my favorite team.

I watch them like, you know, every game they play, so I'm into it.

But you're right.

Like, I think there is that thing.

I honestly, I think the thing that

motivates me in those moments, and I'm sure there's tons of parents who feel this way, is just fear.

Like, there's this fear of, good God, like in not too, my son's 13 now, in not too many years, this will all be gone.

And like I, you know, while it's, while at times it's like, you know, especially down here, it's 105 degrees outside and you're sitting there, you're sweating your butt off.

There's no, the concession stand is inexplicably closed.

You're like, you're just sitting here like, oh my gosh, like, you know, but like it goes away.

And when it's gone, it's gone forever.

And I like, I know, I don't want it to go away.

And I'll tell you something.

Stu, you remember when my kids were really young in New York and I was, I mean, I had two staffs.

I had a daytime staff and a nighttime staff because I was working all the time.

And I included my, I mean, the kids homeschooled it outside of the studio.

I was always around, but I was never that engaged because I was always doing other things, but they were always around.

And I thought that was good enough.

And it certainly was not.

And

it is turning out to be

almost a bone crushing regret that I didn't savor every single minute, that I put my career and what I do ahead of my children.

And men are always at a disadvantage because

we're working and now moms are always working.

I know.

We'll break in a second.

But

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Don't do it.

Don't ever put anything in front of your children.

Don't put your job in front of it.

Don't put your, you know, I really don't want to be here impossible, you know, and, you know, don't do that.

I mean, if you can kick your kid in the hip and they don't really remember it because they're in so much pain that it was you, you might want to do that, but you're making the right choice.

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And I immediately wrote to Robbie, said, whatever you need, I will stand with you on this because I don't care.

You know, Robbie and I happen to agree on a lot of stuff,

and I consider him a friend, but I don't care if he wasn't a friend or we didn't agree.

What Meta has done to Robbie

needs to be corrected, or they will do it to everyone.

I'm going to bring Robbie Starbuck in so he can tell the story.

Hello, Robbie.

How are you?

I'm doing well.

Thanks, Glenn.

I appreciate it.

Yeah.

Thank you for coming on and telling this story.

Explain what happened, what has happened to you because of Meta and and their AI.

Yeah, so for those who are unfamiliar, you know, basically for the last year, my mission, along with my team, has been eliminating DEI policies at major corporations.

And we've done that with, I've said, you know, most of the biggest companies on earth and with great success.

And so at the time in August 2024, we were focused on Harley-Davidson and eventually changed their policies, but there was one particular Harley-Davidson dealership that was not happy about it.

And they're from Bernie Sanders state of Vermont.

And so they had posted online a screenshot of Meta AI, and it said that I had been at January 6th and was, you know, part of the, you know, events of that day and that I had committed a crime.

And so I immediately thought.

You're charged with a crime.

Well, we found out about that far later.

So we

go and

we ask Meta AI because I initially thought they'd maybe faked it or something.

I'm like, there's no way one of the biggest companies on earth, you know, is inventing a crime that I committed.

Right.

And so we go and check it.

And lo and behold, actually, it not only says that I committed a crime, it says that I was charged and arrested.

And it later said I pled guilty to a charge of disorderly conduct over January 6th.

And the weird part is I wasn't even in DC that day.

So like this was totally wholesale invented out of nowhere.

And we found out something later that actually makes it even more concerning.

This does not appear to be a hallucination in the best estimation of myself, my team, and AI experts we've spoken to because when Meta releases AI models, they release a version you can download and disconnect from the internet and it will continue to work because it's like their trained model, right?

These are called Lama 3.0, 3.1, 2.3, so on and so forth.

When you do that and you try to recreate the situation, it consistently comes up with the same lies about me.

And they range from the January 6th stuff to, in general, saying that I'm essentially a dangerous person.

It actually had told advertisers not to advertise with my show, said don't work with him.

You know, he's essentially a dangerous individual.

And it even insisted that authorities should consider taking my kids from me and put them in the care of somebody.

Hang on just a second.

Hang on.

Hold on just a second.

I want the audience to understand, first of all, there's no way this is a hallucination.

There's no way.

So, Meta AI

has suggested to authorities that

they take Robbie's children away from him because he's so dangerous.

Yeah, and you're going to love this part.

It not only said that, it said that my kids would probably be better off in the care of somebody who was more accepting of transgenderism and DEI.

And, you know, so if you think about this, it makes it feel even more targeted, right?

Like the fact that it's going into that narrative tells you that, you know, it's very difficult to think this could be a hallucination because it's very, very specific and consistent with sort of left-wing ideology, right?

And so you have to go back to the training and say, you know, how did it get trained to believe this and go further with that?

We are very close to a future where people are going to have robotics in their homes that are trained on AI.

Thousands and thousands of apps have already been trained on Meta's AI.

And so that's going to last a very long time, right?

The other interesting thing about AI defamation is that if you say something that is totally untrue about me, Glenn, and I sue you, and that goes to court and they say, Glenn defamed Robbie, you know, there is an end point to that, right?

You know, you, you get...

justice for it and and you know so on and so forth with meta's ai though there's sort of this weird thing that happens where we could go to court and the court will say, oh yeah, they defamed Robbie.

And at the end of that, you still have all these unplugged models out in the wild that have been downloaded by millions of people.

And you will never put the genie back in that bottle because they can't update the versions that are disconnected from the internet.

right

so when you think about the future you could have robots that are walking around in law enforcement thinking that i am a criminal or a wanted individual because there was a hallucination at one point that claimed that i was wanted for kidnapping charges too Oh, my God.

The whole thing is insane.

The whole thing is insane, Glenn.

And so we sued them because I think that that is the reasonable thing to do to try to get justice here, not just for myself, but for everybody.

Because, like you said, this could happen to anybody.

If it could happen to me, it can happen to anybody.

And if you think about just like everything from custody cases to our future elections, you know, I mean, this could rig elections.

You know, let me just throw one more thing in, and I want to ask you some questions.

Medez AI also claimed that he had appeared on Nick Fuentes' show, that he had spoken at Nick's rallies, and that you supported him.

He was engaged in Holocaust denial.

He's never denied the Holocaust.

He doesn't know Nick Fuentes

and wouldn't be showing up at any of his rallies.

This is hard to believe that this is a hallucination because

I mean, I'm working with AI right now and AI designers and what a hallucination is it can't remember it can't memorize the entire

internet okay it can't memorize all of human history and information so it's very good at remembering the beginning and the end and sometimes it will fill in the middle but if you ask it show me the sources on this

it it will usually correct itself.

You know, you have to say, ah, that's not an actual source.

And it will usually correct itself.

And it doesn't hallucinate the same thing on the same person all the time.

So for this to continue to get deeper and deeper and deeper with you and make things up that are worse and worse shows that there is something in the algorithm.

At least this is my feeling.

And I got an AI expert upstairs in the break.

I'll ask him.

But

it shows there's something in the algorithm that is

tipping the AI to you're a bad guy, you're a criminal.

I mean, that's how it looks to us.

You know, and you have to wonder, you know,

when there's no rules, what kind of effect can an engineer have if they're an activist and they decide, I hate this group of people, I want to make them look terrible?

You know, in my case, it could look like what you have seen, but in an election, a lot of people, especially young people, are increasingly asking, you know, what's the difference between this candidate and that candidate?

You know, try to figure out who they align with.

And if AI is allowed to say one is the most flowery version you could write about them, right?

Like basically doing PR for them.

And then the other side is we can literally invent crimes and say they're wanted for kidnapping or child molestation or whatever.

You know, you can shift a couple percentage points in any election on that basis.

And that's something that I think everybody should find untenable and unacceptable.

So this is, I mean, you want to talk about David versus Goliath.

Have you filed suit against them?

And

what's the status of all of this?

Yeah, we have filed suit in Delaware.

That's where, you know, they're incorporated.

And,

you know, I think every legal expert I've seen out there has said, dang, this is the best defamation case I've ever seen.

I mean, it's so egregious.

And then Meta came out.

Okay, so we notified them in August 2024 about what was happening.

They didn't do anything about it to actually fix the problem until nine months later when I came out with a video where millions of people watched it and became a press story and was all over the media.

Then they finally step up and try to do some things, right?

And even then, it just, it was,

you know, I think about a week or close to a week after that had already come out and they had put out a statement apologizing, which again is like unheard of in the middle of litigation for them to put out a statement actually taking accountability and saying, yo, we did it.

You still had it saying things that were just total fabrications, total lies about me.

And so it was very clear that Meta was struggling to control what they had built.

This is terrifying, Robbie.

I mean, I've talked to a few senators about your case,

and they are just as incensed about it as I am.

And,

you know, I'm expecting Meta to be called up onto Capitol Hill regarding this.

But I don't know, I mean, what,

you know, what the AI has so much power now on Capitol Hill, these gigantic companies,

and I'm not sure what anybody is really going to do.

I hope justice actually works for you and the system works for you, because if not,

this is the beginning of

AI tyranny.

This is, I mean, if this is allowed to go on, this is the beginning of it.

And it will, in four years from now,

forget about, forget about your,

really, your freedom, your reputation, everything will be gone if you happen to oppose what the AI program says is the right way to go.

Yeah, we need serious change, you know, in the system.

And I think

I'm with you on this.

You know, I pray that the system works as it's intended to work.

You increasingly, have to wonder as you watch sort of these rogue judges try to take on the powers of the executive branch

just how many holes there are in the justice system and how much it is working as intended.

But I really do pray that it will because I do think there's downstream effects of this that people

are not seeing very clearly.

And I've gone down that dystopian rabbit hole and I've looked at what I haven't seen in 20 years if this is allowed to happen.

And it is really dangerous.

Five.

It will be five years.

It won't be 20 years.

Robbie, how can I help and how can the audience help you?

Well, you know, I would say we've just got to consistently keep this story out there because I think that's really important that everybody knows what is happening and what is possible because this extends beyond public figures.

This goes into like if you have a custody dispute and they're deciding reputation scoring on AI, it can invent all kinds of things about you.

You could lose your kids over this.

If you are going and trying to get insurance, you could be denied insurance over being perceived as a reputational risk because if you have the wrong politics, right?

I mean, this is very dangerous stuff.

So talk to your lawmakers, write to them, ask them what they're doing to establish ethical boundaries for AI because there has to be some boundaries.

There is, don't get me wrong, a lot of incredible things AI can be used to do.

But if you have no boundaries, it's going to be very, very, very dangerous.

And so that would be the first thing.

You know, at this point, I'm handling the legal costs and everything, but this could eventually get so expensive legally, you know, depending on the strategy they take that, you know, maybe at that point we do another round of going through everywhere and saying, hey, can people jump in and help?

But, you know, I think we can take this all the way, and I really do believe that it's important that we get serious, sincere changes in the marketplace.

Count on me as a serious ally.

I don't think I've ever made this offer to anybody, but I want you to give me regular updates and

come on the program.

Whenever you have an update, you just call.

I'll put you on the air and you give us an update

because we will follow this story

and it's important.

I mean,

this is the beginning of the end.

Anything you might be afraid of with AI, if this isn't corrected, it will happen and it will happen quickly.

So it's got to be corrected.

Robbie, thank you so much.

Thank you, Gwen.

I appreciate it.

You bet.

Bye-bye.

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And they don't understand what is coming right around the corner and how dangerous it is if AI is allowed to hallucinate.

Again, I don't know,

but I don't think that that's legitimate hallucination.

I think that is prompting from code to hallucinate in that direction because

I couldn't make that happen.

I've worked so much on AI lately, and I have never seen anything hallucinate that.

I mean,

it doesn't tell the truth on me, but not like that.

Not like that.

Yeah.

And it's interesting because there's no, like, as he brought up, it's hard to sue on this because you don't know where it is.

And they don't, the experience doesn't exist anymore.

I can't go to, like, if I go to,

you know, theblaze.com, there's an article up there there and I can say, look, that's where it is.

That's where they messed up.

There's, there's, that's slandered or whatever.

Right.

This is like, it's just happening and it goes away.

And I'm noticing it even in my own life as I try to use it more, there will be like a stat or a point or something that I remember reading and I can't remember where it is.

And normally it would be like, oh, gosh, I got to go search the internet.

I got to find that article.

Well, that article, maybe I can find it in my own AI program or something, but like, I don't remember where it is or who the source was for it.

And you have to kind of sort sort that out and you know your brain doesn't always capture those moments exactly right.

So here is

here is the

the real problem

if you don't trust the coders and it's a true AI that is not a closed loop and does not memorize everything you're not going to be able to trust it.

Unfortunately, you know, you go to Google now and it'll give you 110 pages of answers.

You go to ChatGPT or X, you know, in Grok, it gives you one.

That's the real danger.

It's giving you one answer, not pages of answers.

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Hello, America.

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We are so glad that you have tuned in today.

I got a lot on the plate just this hour.

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Also, Rokana, he is on my podcast this weekend.

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And I want to be way ahead of the game, and I think you should be way ahead of the game.

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Good, my friend.

How are you doing?

I am.

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I'm really good.

What is your book?

I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to read it.

What is your book about?

Make magic?

Yeah, so last year, I got to, right after I left your studio, I got to give the commencement address at the University of Michigan, which is where I went.

And Glenn, there's 70,000 people in the stadium as I give this address, but I'm focused on one because my son was graduating that day.

I could see him in the 14th row.

And what I spoke about that day is there are things that science and math can explain, right?

If you're nice to me and a jerk to the waiter, you're a jerk.

But there are some things that are unexplainable.

They're just magic.

And as a writer, that's my job, making things appear out of thin air.

So what I talked about is when you ask magicians, there are four types of magic tricks.

That's it.

Put aside illusions and escapes.

There's just four types of tricks.

You make something appear.

You make something disappear.

The third trick is you take two things and you make them switch places.

And the fourth trick is you take one thing and you turn it into something else.

The hardest trick of all, transformation.

And what I did was I go through each trick, and I'll talk about them with you right now.

And one of them is one that I know we, you know, the third magic trick was the one that kind of hit everyone.

And I said, you know, it's taking one thing and switching it with another.

And I said, here, let's talk about empathy.

Because that's what empathy is.

It's switching places with someone else, putting yourself in their shoes.

and Glenn I've never told you this story I never told anyone this story but when I was 13 years old my dad lost his job you know that part but this is the part no one knew is when we moved down to Florida my family had such a struggle that we had to live with my grandparents it was six of us my mom my dad my sister myself and two grandparents in a one-bedroom apartment

and it was obvious we're sleeping on the floor it was just it was a really rough time for my family and everyone in the condominium in Florida was trying to get us evicted because they were like you can't have six people in one small place

and this one neighbor across the hall a friend of my grandmother's saw what was happening to us and she said here's what I'm gonna do I'm gonna move out of my apartment I want you to take my apartment and so your family can have some peace and not get evicted to this day the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me or my family And I remember as a kid that her name was Mircy, but as a little boy, I always heard it as Mercy.

And make no mistake, mercy.

And empathy is what she showed us.

And I know you and I have talked many times about empathy.

But today, cruelty and venom and harshly judging those we disagree with, it's become sport in our culture.

But cruelty and venom aren't signs of strength.

They're signs of weakness and petty insecurity.

What takes strength is showing kindness and showing empathy.

And when I said those words, 70,000 people just reacted in a way I never anticipated.

And when the speech was done, all these people said, I want the text of of that speech for my son, my grandson, my nieces, my nephews.

They were tracking down my sister's unlisted number.

Glenn, in the 20 years we've known each other, no one's ever asked for the text of anything I've said.

But they wanted the text of this speech.

And so we

have attorneys have asked it for me a lot.

It's usually in a deposition, though, but yeah, I get you.

But the truth is, is they finally said, we're going to turn this into, you know, when it went viral, it went around the internet.

It was seen over over a million times.

And so we turned it into a book that people can share.

It's called Make Magic: The Book of Inspiration You Didn't Know You Needed.

So obviously a great graduation present, but also something that you put on your desk, it's beautiful.

And just when you need a little bit of magic, it goes through each of the other tricks.

So

the last trick you talked about,

you said it was,

what was it, transformation?

Yeah, let's talk about them.

Yeah, transformation.

Yeah,

actual

the actual is not uh transformation, it's um

metamorphosis,

isn't it?

Yes, a beautiful word.

Exactly that.

Yeah.

And it's it's

and let's talk about each other.

Actually, with magicians, that's the word they use.

It is, of course, that's the Houdini word.

It's the famous word.

And let's talk about each of the tricks because, you know, again,

the second magic, you know, the first one is you make something appear.

And what you have to make appear is that that version of yourself that's the best version.

and you know we're all we're all chameleons we act one way with our parents we act another way with our friends but there's those people that you're around where you just feel like you're your true self and you know you got to make that version of you appear what you have to make disappear people always say make your fear disappear is the second magic trick but i let me challenge that for a moment uh when i was 13 years old and I moved to Florida, I had to quickly get a job.

And I used to scoop ice cream throughout high school at the Haagen-Daz and the Aventura Mall.

And I'll never forget there was this one woman who used to come up and she snapped her fingers at me one day.

And she said, You get, I want you to serve me now.

And I said, Ma'am, I'll be right with you.

I'm just helping another customer.

And she said, No, no, now you got to serve me now.

And I said, Ma'am, you know what?

You're being rude.

We're not going to serve you here.

Take your business elsewhere.

And she screamed in my face, Glenn, you're going to be working at this miserable ice cream store for the rest of your miserable life.

And I calmly said to her, Ma'am, if I am working here for the rest of my miserable life, you're still never getting any ice cream and I used to

laugh how old were you laugh I was 16 17 years old when it happened

and I and I used to laugh at that say no it never bothered me but I will admit here to you my friend it did bother me it it made me worried and because my dad struggled financially his whole life I was worried I was going to have those same financial struggles but what I realize now is that woman woman drove me.

She fueled me.

So to me, rather than make your fear disappear, use your fear.

Harness it.

Don't vanquish your critics.

Prove them wrong.

And that's the second magic trick in Make Magic.

You know, I will tell you that I think that's the secret to everything.

You know, people try to make their problems disappear.

Everybody seems to be on an ADD drug or, you know, depression drug or whatever.

And sometimes medicine is absolutely needed.

But I know I'm riddled with ADD.

I've had it my whole life.

It just didn't put a label on it when I was a kid.

And I always thought it was

such a curse because I couldn't pay attention long enough to things.

And

there's

probably the leading book on ADD.

I had a chance to talk to this guy and I was part of this study.

And

he said, you know, there's only two ways it ends with ADD.

You either live under a bridge or you master it and you become amazing.

And I didn't even know what it was.

I knew I just couldn't pay attention, but I found a way to make it work for me.

And, you know, I'm sitting here.

I'm one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,

ten screens in front of me right now.

And as you're talking, I'm looking at all 10 and I'm also processing what you're saying.

You don't try to vanquish

the problems that you are having.

You try to use them to your advantage.

You learn from them and use them to your advantage.

And it stops you from being bitter or blaming anything.

I mean, what you just said is absolutely true.

No,

and I agree with you.

You know, I got on my very first book, I got, when I sent it out, 24 rejection letters.

There were only 20 publishers.

I got 24 rejection letters, which means some people were writing me twice to make sure I got the point.

And I could take that and say, well, that's the negative, and I can only see the negative.

But instead, as you said, you know, everyone's greatest strength is also their greatest weakness.

But we also have to remember, if it's our greatest weakness, it's also our greatest strength.

And I said, if they don't like that book, I'm going to write another.

If they don't like that book, I'm going to write another.

I was going to vanquish that fear, that thing.

Instead of saying, oh, I can't do this.

24 people told me to to give it up.

And I don't look back and say, I was right and they were wrong.

What I look back and say is life is subjective.

And our job sometimes is to find that, you know, we all know our lives can change when one person says yes, right?

You and I met when you were on CNN back in the day.

And one, you were right at the start.

Everyone cheers now, right?

They put me in front of 70,000 people, but you were the one who at the start said, I like your books.

Come hang out with me.

And we became friends there.

And those people who have, you know, those are the daring ones.

The daring ones are the ones who come and say, I don't care what everyone else says, but I'm going to do what I want.

And that one yes can change your life.

And your yes changed my life.

And all these years,

what I'm all trying to do is to pay back the universe.

Yeah.

That is nice of you to say.

But paying back the universe is, you know, I was just having a conversation with somebody last night, and I said, you know, I've been given so much.

I have learned so much from really masters of this industry.

And,

you know, one of the things I really want to do is use the next 10 years of my life to teach,

you know, people that are up and coming, want to learn and, you know, have not just the desire to learn, but the

willingness to work hard.

And it's just, you know, you have to pay back.

You have to.

You can't just keep taking.

You have to pay back.

Brad, it's always great to talk to you.

You just said the magic words, though, right?

Which is like, to keep learning, right?

That's actually the last trick, which is what we talked about, metamorphosis and transformation.

You know, when I was little, my favorite thing at the amusement park was the Hall of Mirrors.

And some people love watching little kids crash into the glass.

I loved it because I had hair back then, and it was glorious.

What I really loved about the Hall of Mirrors was how you could turn your head just slightly.

And all those versions of you would appear, all the possibilities.

And as we get older, and this is what it says in Make Magic, as we get older, it's human nature to see just one version, to get locked into ways of thinking about the world, about your life path, about who you are.

But as a friend recently told me, when you write things in stone, everything becomes hard and brittle and starts collecting dust.

To me, what we have to do is write in pencil and be unafraid to use the eraser.

The person who thinks they're the smartest in the room, and you and I have discussed this, we know is not the smartest in the room.

That's the one with the most fragile ego.

The most sophisticated and intelligent people that you and I know are the ones willing to challenge their thinking and admit there's more to learn.

Because life will absolutely not be what we think it's going to be.

It's going to be hard and wonderful and messy and rewarding with more versions of you than you think possible.

And the only immutable fact is you should never be immutable.

That's how you transform.

And, you know, never think you know it all.

Instead, see yourself in the hall of mirrors with endless possibilities.

And to me, when Make Magic came out, I'm like, that's the message I want for my son.

That's the message I want for my daughter.

I want everyone to have that message that you can do real magic.

And I don't mean hocus pocus.

I mean, you know, improving yourself and realizing that all of us should have that metamorphosis.

It's all available.

And that's what the book is all about.

Yes, a great graduation book, but to me, the book of inspiration you didn't know you needed.

I'm getting it for my kids.

Brad, I appreciate it.

You are always great.

If you'd hold on a minute, I want to ask you a separate question.

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So, Brad, I hate to put you on the spot, but anybody who knew Metamorphosis and Harry Houdini will know the answer to this.

I always love having you on because you've got great history in your head.

Yesterday, I had

Fraser Crane on,

gosh, Kelsey Grammar.

I was going to say, Frasier Crane is that.

I know.

I love that.

I know.

It was amazing.

He just put a book out that it was about the death of his sister and the guilt.

I read about it.

It's heartbreaking.

Oh, my gosh.

You have to read it.

Okay.

So he was on, and he was talking about going to clairvoyance.

All right.

And the way he was describing it, it was like I immediately thought of Harry Houdini.

And the way he, you know, went to clairvoyance.

I mean, you know, he had a big tiff with

Sherlock Holmes writer.

What's his name?

That wrote,

come on.

Yeah, Conan Doyle.

Arthur Conan Doyle.

Because Conan Doyle really believed in clairvoyance and Harry Houdini did not.

But he went all the time trying to prove that it was either fake or real.

Any stories on that from history?

Any Harry Houdini stories or anything?

Of course.

Yeah, okay.

Of course.

So, first of all, I've written two books about Harry Houdini.

Houdini, the escape artist, my Zigg and Nola characters, is literally based on Harry Houdini.

And this goes perfectly with that, is when Harry Houdini, you know, obviously he loved the magic part, but what he really loved is disproving

all the charlatans, all the people who had taken advantage.

Because what happened is after World War I,

we lost so many young boys that, you know, families lost their kids terribly.

And so this whole spiritualism movement came up, you know, where they said, we can speak to your dead sons, taking advantage of just the mourning of these families.

And Harry Duni dedicated his life.

Half of his show would be escapes, but the other half was proving that the people who said they could speak to your dead kids were lying to you and stealing your money.

But here's the thing that's great about Harry Houdini, is he had his own, and this is in the escape artist as a thriller.

He had his own secret service network, his own private group that would go in before he got to town and figure out how all the charlatans were doing it, how they would figure out who you were, where they would write it down, all the stuff.

But Harry Houdini was so obsessed with it that he gave his own secret passwords to his Secret Service Network and his closest friends that if they died, that they could pass along a word from the afterlife and he would know it was him.

So if a clairvoyant said, hey, you know, Brad passed away, Glenn, what's, you know, what did he say to you?

And you said, what did he say to you?

If I don't say the word that only you and I know, you know the person's a liar.

And here's the thing that's great.

You know what word Harry Houdini gave to his mother?

The one secret word,

the secret word he gave to her was the word forgive.

Forgive.

It's one of the great pieces of advice.

And Harry Houdini, you know, is one of my heroes because he was just trying to do what was right and hated seeing these military families getting taken advantage of.

But, I mean, I love, love, love those stories.

And again, we can even talk about

I've done some research on remote viewing that the CIA used to do for clairvoyance, where we funded millions of dollars into seeing if clairvoyance was real, if we could see things.

And what's really amazing about it when you read about it is that back, and this is obviously in the 60s, at the height of the Cold War in 60s.

And it was an amazing test.

What they had was, is trying to see if you could pull it off.

But people didn't want to believe.

They didn't want to.

And so they pulled the plug on it.

It's pretty amazing.

Brad, always great to talk to you.

You're one of my most fascinating friends.

I just, I love talking to you all the time.

Thank you, Brad.

I I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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he had a christian prayer service at the pentagon New York Times says Heg Seth intends to make the prayer service a monthly event.

You know,

if

Heg Hagseth were sacrificing animals to the pagan god of weather and earth, the New York Times probably would not have a problem with it.

Okay.

This meltdown is so exhausting because it is so predictable.

1995

has called and New York Times and the ACLU wants their separation of church and state

outrage back because they didn't know where they placed it and they seem they left it with you.

Wednesday of this week, Defense Secretary Pete Hagseth hosted a voluntary Christian prayer service in the Pentagon's auditorium.

It was broadcast on their internal network.

Now no one was required to attend.

No one was required to watch.

His pastor from his home church in Tennessee spoke at the service and paid his own way there, by the way, you didn't pay for this.

The event was packed, standing room only, and of course the left-wing media was triggered, okay?

You know, we can do all kinds of stuff, but not worship God.

CNN trotted out their legal experts screaming it's a First Amendment violation, you know, that's government endorsing religion.

No, it is not.

I read, I think it was in the New York Times that said,

although the

United States early on did use federal buildings for church services,

that was at a time when there was a, listen to this, a stricter interpretation of the founders' words.

No,

they didn't need to interpret the founders words.

They were the founders.

So it wasn't a stricter interpretation.

It was the founders interpretation because they were doing this all the time.

I know everybody on the left is shocked by this, but the U.S.

Capitol served as a church building every Sunday for almost 70 years.

Started under Thomas Jefferson.

And by the way, he's the one who wrote the words separation of church and state in a letter.

It's not anywhere else in a federal document.

It's in a letter.

Separation of church.

And yet he was the guy who was like, you know what?

Bring your church service.

Let's just do it in the House of Representatives.

So the House of Representatives, the podium that sits there, was for 70 years the pulpit for preachers.

And it wasn't just one denomination.

You could use it.

And thousands of people attended, including presidents like Thomas Jefferson, who was hardly a Bible thumper.

But it was a hub for worship in Washington, D.C.

And yet somehow the Republic survived and it grew and it did well somehow or another.

Sorry, but Christian prayers and Bible readings in public.

You know, and public officials doing those things woven into our fabric.

George Washington issued proclamation for days of prayers all the time.

Abraham Lincoln leaned on scripture during the Civil War.

We turned the Civil War around after his proclamation of humiliation, fasting, and prayer to the Almighty God.

I mean, the patron saint of American socialism, FDR, he read from the Bible on radio broadcasts during World War II.

You know, when we were in the midst of D-Day, he got on and led the nation in prayer.

You know, so, you know, Hag Seth, 30-minute prayer in the auditorium or 30-minute, you know, church service, not really radical, not breaking new ground.

You know, here's the thing.

Public officials have hosted events for other faiths.

In 2007, the House of Representatives had a Hindu priest open the session with prayer.

Multiple Muslim imams have given opening prayers, read from the Quran in the House chamber.

The Pentagon's chapel hosts services for multiple faiths, including Islam, Judaism.

The media, they lose their mind on those too, right?

Oh, no, no, no.

In fact, that's that's a cause for celebration for the media.

After one Imam gave the house prayer in 2017, the Washington Post published the full text of his prayer.

But they don't want to tell you what happened at the Pentagon other than it happened.

He's got Christians in the Pentagon.

Panic, everybody.

You know, let me be really, really frank with you.

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Those who are freaked out by this.

and history and can repeat it accurately, you let me know, okay?

But let me ask you this question.

Why do rainbow flags fly at federal buildings every June for Pride Month all month long?

Why is it forced?

Left is fine with those.

Military bases around the world have hosted drag shows.

Drag shows.

You don't have a problem with that, but you have a problem with a church service.

The left, especially when Joe Biden was in office, treated Pride Month like it was a sacred holiday.

The left dotes on the LGBTQ movement with religious fervor because it has become a religion.

And it is now clearly a government-endorsed religion.

A voluntary Christian prayer service is cause for front-page outrage,

yet

this isn't

nothing.

Hmm, wait a minute.

Ever since I can remember, the left has weaponized this myth of separation of church and state by the guy who was attending the prayers in the House of Representatives.

Reminder, the phrase is not in the Constitution.

The First First Amendment says this.

Now, listen to this, New York Times.

I know you have a hard time with words,

but you talk pretty.

So listen to these words and see if you can understand them.

They're very complex.

The First Amendment says, Congress shall not

establish a religion or prohibit its free exercise.

Wait a minute.

So they can't establish a religion or prohibit the free exercise of religion.

That's it.

Nothing about endorsing a religion, and that's not what Pete Hegset was doing.

You know, the left twists this to erase Christianity from the public square.

While they mandate the celebration of state-backed secular ideologies, whether it's pride or climate change or the sacred earth worship that's going on, and I could make the case

that,

either one of those is the government establishing a religion

dei

esg all of that is treated like a religion climate change it's a religion transgender surgery it's a religion doesn't matter what science says believe this

and if you don't believe this you're a heretic and you have to be excommunicated from all of society.

It is a religion with its own high priests.

And that's government establishing a religion.

So, if you really want to go to battle on this, let's go to battle on this, shall we?

Because

maybe in your wildest dreams, Pete Hagseth, which he didn't do, would get up and go, Christianity is neat, and everybody here should be a Christian.

I endorse it.

That is constitutionally okay,

but what you've done with all of these woke ideas is you have now established a religion, not endorsed, established.

Let me read it to you one

more time.

Congress cannot establish a religion or prohibit its free exercise thereof.

So

we could be honest with each other as we know which one is trying to destroy one religion and we know which ones are establishing new religions.

You're on the losing side on this one, New York Times.

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So on episode 258 of the Glenn Beck podcast, this is the interview podcast.

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I talked to Congressman Roe Khanna.

Now, Ro Khanna is

a not crazy Democrat.

He's still, I mean, he was one of the architects for the Inflation Reduction Act, which is a Green New Deal.

And so we disagree strongly on lots of things, but he also agrees with probably you on a lot of things as well.

And the only reason why I'm talking to him is, A, it's refreshing to have a conversation with somebody you really disagree vehemently with, but you can have a normal human being conversation.

So it's a great model for people who think that kind of conversation is dead.

And I want to thank Congressman Conna for that.

But

the reason why we had him on is, you know, he's going to run for president.

And it's going to either be somebody like him or AOC.

And I, quite frankly, hope it's AOC.

Because I think Roe Connock would bring a lot of

Reagan Democrats back to their party because he doesn't seem insane.

Although you listen to his taxes, you listen to how he wants to build the country.

I mean, it's as far left as you can get.

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we talk about different things.

I want you to know who he is well in advance.

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But, you know, he has,

you know, he said to me, the administrative state has played a very constructive role in the building of America.

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The administrative state?

No, I don't.

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I don't think so.

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You get your podcast tomorrow, so don't miss that.

What else, Stu, do we miss anything today as we get ready to go on a three-day weekend?

You know, I'm sure we have.

Oh, you know what we haven't talked about?

We didn't get a chance to talk about it yesterday either.

Was,

what is it?

Is it Google Vayo?

Yeah, Vayo3.

Yeah, Vayo3.

This is their new

video generation service as part of their AI, which has just been released.

Terrifying.

It's

so good.

Like, it's incredible.

Like, one sentence prompt can get you

a video that looks completely real.

I was watching some of the examples that were being posted on Twitter and stuff, and it's like

entire newscasts just generated, and it looks totally real.

Like it just, it doesn't, you don't even notice the weird AI thing with the mouth anymore, or like it just looks real.

We're there.

Nope.

It is, it's remarkable in how fast it has come.

You know, if I'm an actor, I'm a little freaked out.

If I'm a truth teller and want to make sure that the truth is known, I'm a little freaked out.

But of course, it came from Google.

So thank you, Google, for that wonderful, and wonderful help there.

All right, have a safe weekend.

We'll be back here on Tuesday.

God bless you.

Stay safe, and God save the Republic.

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