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We have a lot to talk about today.

A lot of it revolves around who do you trust.

Am I being cynical here?

Yeah, most likely you're being very cynical, but for good reason.

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Well, hello, Stu.

How are you?

Couldn't be better, Glenn.

Did you hear the Joe Biden audio?

I didn't.

I did hear it.

It was a spectacular roller coaster of a lesson.

Yeah,

it was stunning.

Now,

you might be thinking, wow, what a coincidence that this is coming out at the same time that Joe Biden is incompetent book is coming out and all the Democrats are running for cover.

Well, you mean the audio, or you're talking about the cancer diagnosis?

Both.

Both.

Yeah.

This is coming out, and now the cancer diagnosis is coming out, and the book is coming out.

Coincidence that they're all happening at the same time?

Well, the audio we know is not coincidence because it was first released by one of the authors of the book.

So that Alex Thompson.

So that one, I think, was definitely.

I don't know if he just happened to get it a couple days before or if he's just timing it very well for this book release.

Either one is fine with me.

I'm glad we have it.

Now, the cancer diagnosis, do you believe this is the first time they're hearing about it?

You know,

someone legitimate a friend of mine texted me and he's like, am I being too cynical here?

Or is like, is it a little suspicious that they're releasing this two days before the book comes out?

And I said, you're not being cynical.

You're not being cynical enough, probably.

That doesn't mean that

we celebrate Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis.

It's terrible and it's awful.

And

I'm sure going through that is awful.

And everyone has had a family member that's gone through something like this.

And it's terrible every time you hear about it.

But it's not crazy to question whether we're hearing this at a time designated by dr.

Jill or somebody near them I mean

they may have heard I mean you know there is the audio that has gone around from that was it last year where he does say he has cancer on stage mm-hmm

That you know, he said that, and at the time we were told, oh, it's a gaff.

And like, it's believable that he would just say he has cancer when he doesn't because he was mentally incompetent and they were lying about that too.

But very possible, I think, also, that he had a cancer diagnosis.

Maybe he didn't think it was as aggressive at the time, didn't feel the need to disclose it to the American people.

Who knows what they hid from us?

So is it too cynical to say they wouldn't have had a problem knowing that he had cancer if he was going to run, they would have just run him, he would die, and then, you know, in office, and Kamala would take over.

And it wouldn't be anything bad for those who are running the administration.

There's no level that is appropriate for cynicism.

It can't be high enough.

They've lied to us so many times about this type of stuff.

You have to question everything that they say.

No.

And we should also point out, this is the time we don't actually technically need to know about his prostate.

Now it is a private matter for them now.

It was not a private matter for them when he was in office.

And that is the problem here.

He actually now is a time where they cannot tell us about it for three months if they don't want to.

They can tell us about it, God forbid, if he dies of cancer, they can tell us about it the day after.

They don't have to tell us ever.

It is now a private matter for him.

It was not a private matter when he was in office.

Okay.

Now I want to ask you,

we're all cynical for a reason.

But I want you to hear a couple of stories.

And I'm going to tell you exactly how I feel about them.

And I would imagine it's probably where you feel

but

there's a problem with the way I feel

group of FBI agents involved in the January 6th investigations petitioned a federal court to destroy a list containing approximately 5,000 names tied to the probes their plea comes in response to Ed Martin the newly appointed weaponization czar who has vowed to name and shame those he believes unjustly targeted over a thousand thousand Americans linked to the January 6th events.

Martin's stance is clear, quote, there are some really bad actors, some people that did some really bad things to the American people.

And if they can be charged, remember statute of limitations, if they can be charged, we'll charge them.

But if they can't be charged, we'll name them.

This approach has ignited a firestorm of debate around the balance between transparency and the potential risks to those named.

The agents argue releasing the list could endanger them and their families, especially considering that many January 6th defendants have been pardoned and are now free.

Okay.

Is it.

Do you believe that's why the names have to be

destroyed?

The 5,000 names can't be released and destroyed.

That it's only about

fear.

Okay.

The next story.

Cash Patel and Bongino come out, and they said a couple of things.

They said that Epstein's death

was

suicide.

Bongino came out and said, I fully, I mean, I've seen it.

You know it when you see it.

It was suicide.

Immediately, I thought to myself,

I don't think so.

However,

I know Dan Bongino.

I've known him for years.

I think he's a credible guy.

I think he loves his country.

I know Cash Patel, not as well as I know Dan Bongino, but I know Cash Patel.

I think he's an honorable guy.

I think he loves his country.

I know that they both work for Donald Trump.

I know Donald Trump.

I know that he loves his country.

So,

wait,

if I don't believe them, if I'm saying, I don't believe that, just like I say, I don't believe the prostate thing, you know, is new to the family, I have no evidence of that.

I have zero evidence of that.

It's just what Stu said.

I've been lied to over and over and over, especially from those people, about his health.

So

I just, I don't believe any of it.

But that is

the key word is believe.

Believe.

Not no, believe.

I want to show you, there are seven stages of an empire.

We are in the last stage, and there's only two things that have to happen in that last stage.

When I give it to you here in a minute, I think it'll blow your mind.

We have no trust at all in anything.

If I don't believe Patel and Bongino,

then

do I believe Donald Trump?

Do I believe that there's some conspiracy inside of MAGA?

You see, where does this end?

This is where critical thinking comes in.

Critical thinking is something that is no longer taught.

You have to ask yourself these questions.

Instead of saying, I don't believe it,

ask questions.

And here's the question I ask myself.

To believe Epstein killed himself, what is it I would need to see that could be produced

one

full unredacted forensic and autopsy reports I'd like to see it I'd like to hear other coroners talk about it I'd like to see other people not just handpicked by the media but I'd like to see the evidence myself I'd like to hear from coroners all over.

Okay.

I'd like to see the surveillance footage or sworn testimony from neutral parties confirming no foul play on that.

I want to know the history of that camera.

I want to know when it went out exactly, and I know we do, but I want the whole thing, including the video leading up to it going out.

I want a timeline that explains the broken cameras, the sleeping guards, and why most high, the most high-profile prisoner in America was removed from Suicide Watch just days before.

Why did that happen?

You see, it is the string of coincidence

and the constant lies from both sides of the administration, both Republican and Democrat.

We don't believe the Department of Justice anymore.

We don't believe our FBI.

We don't believe,

apparently now, our own administration.

that doesn't lead anywhere good.

That's, let me just say the one name, Robespierre.

That's what leads to out-of-control revolution.

So instead of saying, I don't believe it, which I don't, I don't believe it.

But

what would be much more helpful is,

I want to see those things.

I want to hear from Dan Bongino and say to him, Dan, specifically, what did you see?

Because I know you.

You didn't believe this either.

So what is it?

And show it to me.

What did you specifically see that changed your mind?

Because I want to be there with you.

I really do.

So show it to me.

Now, with the FBI agents, the other story.

where they're trying to, you know, erase everybody's name that was involved.

I want concrete threats of violence against specific agents.

I don't want just general fear.

Don't tell me that there are 5,000 agents

and they may not be able to prosecute them because of statute of limitations, and so they all just walk away and we're going to destroy their names.

That's what's being asked.

Destroy that list.

No.

Why?

General fear.

I'm sorry.

General fear is no longer good enough.

Evidence that the list is incomplete or misused.

Show that to me, and you can make a case.

Show me a legal or

constitutional rationale for why law enforcement that was involved in January 6

should remain anonymous.

Show that to me, a legal or constitutional rationale.

Without any of that, that looks like self-preservation instead of institutional transparency.

I have to see things.

I'm sorry, but we should all be Thomas.

I need to put my finger in the hole

because

we must repair trust.

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I remember the last time I went over this, we were in the sixth, and it was kind of debatable if we were fully in the sixth.

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Okay, so Sir John Glubb, he wrote something called the Fate of Empires, and others have added to this now, and I'll show you some of the examples.

But

the first stage of an empire is the age of pioneers.

It's an outburst and expansion.

Here's the legs of the age of pioneers.

Driven by vision, courage, hard work, often religious or moral conviction.

Is that what started us?

Yeah.

Is that how it happened in America?

Yeah.

Vision, courage, hard work, religious or moral conviction.

Example, the Rome's Republic era, America 1776 to 1820,

and the values of that sacrifice, virtue, risk, and independence.

Then comes the age of conquest, strength, and expansion.

This is the

era beginning in America around 1820.

I think by 1830, the Republic is no longer recognizable to our founders.

But here's the second stage of an empire.

And this is Rome's early empire

and the civil war, you know, pre-Civil War.

It's military or economic conquests, consolidate territory, consolidate influence.

Civil institutions are built, education spreads, infrastructure grows.

Third, the age of commerce.

Wealth complexity.

Economic strength becomes dominant.

Luxury increases.

Business elites rise.

Trades and speculation eclipse risk-taking pioneers.

The examples, Venice, the Netherlands, British Empire in the 1800s, U.S.

post-World War II, and the values are profit, efficiency, and comfort.

So this is us after World War II,

up until maybe...

maybe the 1980s.

And that's the age of affluence.

Leisure and decay begins.

So this is the beginning of the downfall.

Stage 4.

Material wealth explodes.

Government growth accelerates.

You saw that?

Did that happen to us?

Citizens grow dependent on the system.

Virtue gives way to entitlement.

Education becomes secular and critical of founding ideals.

This is what happened in the second century of Rome

and also between 1980 and 2010.

The values, comfort, consumption, and cynicism.

Now we go in to the two final stages of an empire.

And the last time I gave this,

I said I think

we're in the fifth stage, because we had some of it, but we didn't have all of it.

I believe all of these boxes are checked, which puts us in the final stage, the

sixth or seventh stage of

the fall of an empire, the rise and fall, last stage.

And there's only two things that have to happen.

Because the Republic, historically, is so weak, only two things have to happen.

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Well, I'll give you a hint.

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Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

We've been talking about all of the lies that have been told.

Who believes anymore that the traditional media is telling you the truth on anything?

Who believes that,

you know,

the media didn't know about Joe Biden?

Who believes that Joe Biden's cancer is a new subject?

Now, that one's hard because that very well could be brand new.

But it also, because we don't believe in so many other things, it might have been known when he was still in the White House.

We don't know.

But do you believe it?

I'm not asking you what you know.

I'm asking you what you believe.

Then Cash Patel comes out, along with Dan Bongino, two very credible people on our side, on Donald Trump's handpick

inside team.

And they say the

Epstein suicide was a suicide.

And my first response was, mm-mm.

And then I immediately went, but it's coming from these guys.

I believe these guys.

I know these guys.

And so then I started getting into critical thinking.

Okay, what would it take for me to believe them?

And they just have to show us what they saw because that's a role reversal.

They've switched.

They said it wasn't a suicide.

Now, all I need to know is, what did you see and show it to me?

Okay.

Why is this important to use critical thinking?

We just went through four of the seven stages of,

it's called the seven stage cycle of

civilizational collapse.

Okay.

First, the age of pioneers, that's the Revolutionary War, then the Age of Conquest, that's the expansion out west, the age of commerce, that is the really the 20th century, early 20th century.

The age of affluence, beginning around the Reagan years, where the decay begins and it becomes about leisure and stuff.

Then fifth,

and this is where the last time I read this, I thought we were here, and maybe a little in the sixth, maybe.

The age of intellect, elite rule, and fragmentation.

Experts and technocrats dominate.

Reason replaces faith.

Society becomes obsessed with process, bureaucracy, identity, and division.

People grow disconnected from elites.

Populist backlash begins.

This is France pre-1789, Weimar, Germany in the 1920s, and the U.S.

post-2000.

The values, relativism, narcissism, hyper-education with moral void.

So technocrats dominate?

Yes.

Reason replaces faith?

Yes.

Society becomes obsessed with process.

Yes.

Bureaucracy?

Yes.

Identity?

Absolutely.

And division.

The people grow disconnected from elites.

Yes.

Populist backlash begins.

2016.

Yes.

Then you get into the sixth stage.

The age of decadence, moral decline, and decline of courage.

Tell me if you can't check every box on this one.

National identity collapses.

Mm.

Mm-hmm almost there.

Almost.

Immigration without assimilation.

Yes.

Public debt surges.

Yes.

Breads and circuses replace responsibility.

Yes.

Political corruption is normalized.

Yes.

Gender confusion.

Yes.

Family disintegration.

Yes.

Loss of fertility.

Yes.

The use of drugs.

Yes.

Hedonism dominates.

Yes.

That's Rome, the third through the fifth century.

And is this us today?

The values, hedonism, nihilism, and entitlement.

I think yes, yes, and yes.

Then you get into the last phase.

Would you agree, Stu, that we've hit everything else in that?

Yeah, we're here at some degree or another where we've hit all of those.

Okay.

The age of decline and collapse, disintegration.

There's only two things.

Number one,

internal distrust, factionalism, and scapegoating.

That's the first.

All of that is where we are today with those stories.

Internal distrust.

I don't trust anything.

Do you?

Factionalism.

Hello?

MAGA.

And the,

what, anti-MAGA?

You're either a racist or an anti-racist.

And scapegoating.

I don't know.

Jake Tapper, how's your book going?

I think we're there.

The last thing to happen.

currency collapse, loss of external power, or invasion.

With Donald Trump in power, I don't think we're going to lose the external power or invasion unless our currency collapses.

And our currency collapse could happen.

Nobody, did you see they downgraded us yet again?

Stu, you remember, 2008?

I'm saying in 2006, 2007, and we will lose our AAA plus status.

They will downgrade us.

The quote was: never

from every institution in America.

Never.

It will never happen.

Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.

It will never, ever happen.

Well, it happened in like 2009, then it happened again in like 12 and 2016, and they just did it again.

So, currency collapse is on the board.

Values of this era, despair, tribalism,

and the choice between authoritarianism or anarchy.

We're there.

Okay, so I don't tell you this to bum you out.

I tell you this because there is something you can do.

That's why I started today's show with those questions.

We must, I believe this this is a national emergency.

And I believe Donald Trump should declare our trust in these institutions a national emergency.

We must be transparent.

This is why I said, I want cash and I want Dan Bongino to show the American people what changed their minds.

I would love a hearing on it and not some big drawn out,

you know, hearing in Congress with a bunch of.

I just want to see.

I want to see the files

because internal distrust is a choice.

Because if you're saying today, I don't believe Dan Bongino and Cash Patel,

which I'm stuck because I do believe them.

I just,

I think I don't have enough information to go with them on this.

I believe in them,

but I also believe that Epstein killed himself.

Sorry, my throat was killing me.

I just like the fact that you crunched the ice as you took the sip.

I believe them.

I just believe also that Epstein killed himself, that he didn't hang himself with a paper sheet.

Those two don't match.

When something doesn't match, you have to go back and say, which one do you actually think is right?

I can't because I don't have enough information.

But I must do that because trust and distrust at this point is a choice.

Now, let me show you where distrust leads.

If you don't

trust Cash Patel and Dan Bongino,

then you can't trust the FBI and the DOJ and anything that they're doing there.

That's pretty bad because we just have the biggest reformer in of all time, a guy who said he would reform

those two institutions, that he would be transparent.

And he hired these two guys and we all cheered for those two guys.

So if you don't trust them,

if you just immediately go, something's wrong, I don't trust them,

without saying, here, I don't trust that that is true, but I want to see what changed their mind, then your next step is,

well, does Donald Trump know?

And if he doesn't do something about them on something this egregious, they're clearly covering something up, then I got a problem with Donald Trump.

Where does this end?

This ends in guillotines in France.

This This is what happens.

You betrayed the revolution.

No, I didn't.

That's just not true.

So the good news is,

this is up to you.

These things can be reversed.

They just haven't been, but they can be reversed.

For instance, why would our currency collapse?

Because we're being downgraded.

Why are we being downgraded?

Because we're spending too much.

Why are we spending too much?

Because the people in Washington won't listen to the American people.

They have no courage.

Back to

stage six: decline of courage.

That means we need more people who have courage that will say, This is the end of the republic if we don't do certain things.

So, where will you stand today?

Will you dedicate yourself

to not changing what you believe, per se,

but at least demanding critical thinking answers

for good critical thinking questions?

I don't believe you.

Thus, I am asking you to produce and have a conversation with the American people to show us what changed your mind.

Show us the facts.

We must restore trust.

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So when you talk about critical thinking,

isn't part of critical thinking asking yourself the question, what possible motivation

would Dan Bongino, of all people in the world and Cash Patel,

have to lie to the MAGA base about this being a suicide?

Play the

Dan Bongino and Cash Patel response.

You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.

People don't believe it.

Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion, but as someone who has worked as a public defender, as a prosecutor, who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing.

You know, a suicide when you see one, and that's what that was.

He killed himself.

Again, you want me to get...

I've seen the whole file.

He killed himself.

What possible motivation other than the fact that maybe he just killed himself?

Yeah.

The motivation, some would say, is they've been co-opted.

Dan Bongino.

Yeah.

And

Cash Patello.

They're co-opted by the deep state.

That's the choice everybody has to make.

And I'm not saying saying you have enough information to make that.

I've made that, but I can't square what he just said because I don't think anybody kills themselves with paper sheets.

But I mean, probably that's that, because we obviously have seen, but like, probably that wasn't the way it happened.

Right, right, right.

So I want to know, what did he see?

What did he see?

That said, no.

Dan, you're wrong.

I know you want to believe that he didn't hang himself, that it was something else, but he he did.

I want to know.

Dan is a good guy.

He has not been co-opted.

Cash Patel is a good guy.

He hadn't been co-opted.

So what is it that changed their mind?

And I think there is something you have to allow for

new information to change your mind.

And I think there are some people who don't allow that anymore.

That's the problem.

We've seen that with many conspiracy theories in the past.

No, then you are information.

And you have made your own religion just like climate change people,

just like the Trump derangement syndrome people.

No new information will change your mind.

You're in a religion if you believe that.

But I want the information.

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Hello, America.

We are talking about trust.

What do you believe?

And how do we repair the trust?

Is it even repairable?

I think we made the point yesterday, I mean last hour, that

it really needs to be repairable.

We have to repair it.

It's one of the last stages of

civilizations.

If you look at the rise and fall of empires throughout history, there are seven stages and this is in the seventh stage.

We just talked about Jeffrey Epstein and Cash Battell and Dan Bongino.

I don't believe that

He killed himself, but Dan Bongino just did.

He said, I looked at it, and that's the conclusion.

If there's new information, I'll tell you.

But the information that we now have shows he killed himself.

Do you believe him or not?

And what are the consequences if you don't?

See,

this is radical transparency is needed to save our nation.

Radical transparency.

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Well, hello, Stu

Glenn.

What a time to be alive.

It really is.

It's great to be alive.

Can't wait to see how all this works out.

Yeah, it's a fascinating film that I'm not engaged in and doesn't really affect me.

At least that's convincing myself of it.

Right.

It's a lot easier.

You're just sitting in a theater.

Yeah.

Yeah, what's going on?

All the stuff.

We're just watching this for entertainment purposes.

We're like, wow, let's learn from this society.

Imagine what's going to be on the next episode.

Wow.

That's how I feel.

All right.

Well, what was on last episode

was another giant ship hitting another giant bridge.

What is happening?

Now, I've never seen this in my lifetime.

Okay.

I mean, I'm 62.

I've seen it happen now two times,

and it's been recently.

I don't know about you, but I think,

I think there's a problem.

Now, what's happening?

Two ships, two major American bridges less than, what, a year and a half apart from each other, both ships lose power.

Now, we've seen this happen before.

We've seen other ships lose power.

I'll get into that here in a second.

Recently, Baltimore, March 2024, Francis Scott Key Bridge collapses into the river because a Singaporean cargo ship, the Dali, loses propulsion, slams into the support column, six workers are killed, the whole country watches in shock, and you're like, wow, that doesn't happen.

Well, then again, on Saturday, it happens again.

A Mexican Navy tall ship loses power while departing New York Harbor.

It drifts straight into the Brooklyn Bridge.

Two sailors die.

Dozens were injured.

The masts shatter like matchsticks.

The Brooklyn Bridge, an icon of American Resolve, shakes, but apparently everything is okay.

Now, first of all, our condolences to all of those who were on the ship that lost their lives or were injured.

We feel for you.

That was an awful, they were all standing there on the masts.

Can you imagine standing there going, it's, we're not stopping.

We're not stopping.

I got to get down.

And then when the ship, when the masts go down, you saw them.

They were all entangled in the ropes and they were just hanging there.

Some of them upside down.

It was, It's nuts.

Okay, so the reason for that one, we're told, again,

power.

Okay,

okay, maybe once, maybe twice,

both on foreign vessels, both involved with high-profile American infrastructure.

Now, we've been talking the last hour about trust.

And I'm sorry,

I just don't trust that this is, if this is what it is, then we should stop having computer systems run everything on these ships.

Okay, that's the only reason why you could say, well, no, we just put in these new computers

that are running these ships and nobody's ever seen computers run things like ships before.

And we don't know if they're safe and stable yet, then don't put them in the ship.

If there's a problem with that, why don't we know there's I can't use my phone on an airplane.

Why?

Why?

Because the FAA couldn't come up with a reason we had a plane crash.

I think it was in Long Island years ago.

And they're like,

cell phones.

And we've been told to turn off our cell phones and everything else.

Because it interferes with the navigation systems on the plane.

It does what?

Excuse me?

What does it do?

Nobody believes that.

Nobody believes that.

Okay?

It's not true.

It's just not true.

How come if you've ever flown in a private plane, they don't tell you that?

Is there something special in private planes that makes their super, super navigational systems so much better than it is on a commercial airliner?

No, it's a lie.

It's a lie.

So

what's wrong with these ships?

Do you remember the ship that also lost power and then made like a loop-de-loop and then slammed into another ship?

It was, I think, off the coast of maybe Singapore.

Do you remember that?

Happened about three, four years ago.

It was like this insane thing where we lost power and navigation.

And it just, I mean, it was two like large like freighters.

No, I think it was a freighter and a naval ship and it just pounded into the naval ship.

Only I lost power and lost navigation.

Okay, okay, okay.

All right.

There is something happening in the pit of my

history section of my stomach that says, hmm,

this isn't right.

Warning bell, okay?

What

history would tell me is these are shark bumps.

Okay, you know what a shark bump is?

I worked with Anderson Cooper one time

and

we were sitting getting ready to do he was doing his show on CNN.

I was doing my show on CNN headline news, which is strangely has better numbers now than any show on CNN currently.

But anyway, so I'm getting ready to do my show on CNN headline news and

Anderson walks in.

And he was always very kind, you know, to me, and we had a nice relationship.

Yeah, he always was.

Yeah.

and uh and he said what'd you do this weekend

and i said i took my kids i don't know to the park or whatever i said what'd you do and he said

uh i went shark diving off the coast of australia i was like he had a lot of those weird stories yeah and i was like oh okay yeah i i haven't done that I said, why would you do that?

And he said, well, we were making, we were going to make a dock on it and then something happened.

And he said, so I just, you know, I wanted to to be in the cage and have the sharks you know to see the sharks and i'm like okay i i could live my whole life without ever doing that

and he said then when they pulled the cage up i'm you know coming out and he said it was pretty wild when you were in the cage and he said then i see the captain of the ship as the cage is coming up he's getting ready to dive and i said what do you what do you what are you doing and he said i'm gonna go dive and just be with the sharks for a minute

okay

what the hell's wrong with these people?

All right.

Maybe it's all the blood is constantly, it can't get to their feet or anything.

It's just all coagulated in their head because they're upside down.

What is wrong with you people?

So

he says, well, I'd like to go with you.

And he said, oh, this is only for experienced divers.

And Anderson said, I'm an experienced diver.

I, you know, got all my license, everything else.

And he's like, oh, okay.

So come on, we can come with me.

Now,

Anderson didn't have any of those things.

He's not an experienced diver.

This was his first time.

He puts on everything and he goes off the back of the ship with the

captain.

Just before they do that, the captain says, by the way, they're going to come up to you and they're going to bump into you.

Do not move

because if you do,

they'll eat you.

And he said, I'm sorry, what?

He said, don't move.

They bump into things to see the reaction.

If you're just a floating, you know, bag of something they don't want to eat, it won't move.

But if you move, they'll eat you.

He said, okay, all right.

Now, this is, again, the time that I take off, you know, the eye mask and I'm like, okay, have a good time.

I'm staying here.

He goes down and the sharks do just that.

And he's, I'm sitting sitting here, you know, listening to him.

And he's like, oh, you wouldn't believe what it's like to have one of these great whites just come up and just bump you in the chest.

And I'm like, nope, nope, I can't imagine that.

I may not have moved, but there would have been poop in the water everywhere.

Okay.

So,

how did I get here?

So, I think what's happening is these are shark bumps.

These are, I don't know, a

country, multiple countries.

I don't know.

Can we collapse the navigational system on ships?

Can we cover it up enough?

And

can we take control of ships and just let people in the upper end know,

oh boy, look what they're doing.

I think this is...

That's what this looks like.

This looks like the opening act

to a war, a different kind of war, but a war, one that we're not even allowed to call a war yet.

And what chills me the most is the silence on this.

The mainstream media didn't blink on this.

Government assures us nothing to see here.

Same experts that tell you, you know, that men can have babies are telling you it's just a coincidence.

I'm sorry.

I don't.

Can you show me exactly how this is happening so many times?

Because maybe it is.

But if that's true, maybe we should stop with that kind of navigation system on these ships.

Maybe it's not ready for prime time.

And why does it always seem to lose power and navigation right around an American bridge?

Right around a naval ship, a U.S.

naval ship, or

two U.S.

bridges.

Why is that happening?

Now, there's a shipping giant.

I guess it's maersk m-a-e-r-s-k right maersk

shipping giant had its entire global system shut down by ransomware in 2017.

did you know that

the u.s navy has have had ships colliding multiple times since 2016 again what was blamed steering loss or loss of power Ask the port of Los Angeles, which just last year was under daily cyber attack from foreign adversaries.

You don't need a missile to hit us anymore.

You need somebody with a keyboard and some bad code.

And let me ask you this.

What kind of war doesn't even need intent, just capability?

Because when infrastructure is digitized, when our bridges, our tugboats, our radar systems, our engine controls all depend on centralized code, it doesn't take a villain in a cape.

It takes a firmware update or a rogue packet of data from a USB stick.

Remember, before 9-11, the intelligence community had over 40 separate warnings that something big was coming.

They just didn't connect the dots.

Well, we have several dots here, and they all seem to

They all seem to lead to the same thing, power

or steering loss.

somebody should solve that if it's a software or a hardware problem solve that how come i'm not hearing about that

you can't just keep saying yep that's steering loss and then we just accept it no this is national security

is anybody

serious about national security Anybody?

Now, I'm not saying this was an attack.

but

this is exactly what it would look like if it was.

This looks like a shark attack or a shark bump, except this time,

the shark is seeing how you're going to move.

By us not moving, it makes that foreign shark or whoever might be doing it more apt to eat us.

If we move and harden things, it makes them less apt to eat us.

So in a shark bump with a real shark, you don't move.

In this particular scenario, where it could be a foreign adversary giving us a shark bump, you must move.

And

I haven't seen anything yet.

We need cyber forensics on all of those boats.

independent experts, not just the insurers or foreign governments, independent experts.

We need an immediate national audit of our port, bridge, and maritime infrastructure vulnerabilities to electromagnetic or cyber interference.

And

we need people to at least start investigating the possibility of hybrid sabotage.

I believe we're being tested.

Are we going to do the same thing with the 40 things that happened before 9-11 and not connect the dots?

Or are we going to go,

you know, it might not be that, but we should be all over this.

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What'd you think of when you saw that ship hitting the Brooklyn Bridge?

I mean, just the visuals of it are, it was spectacular video.

And, you know, people on the side of the river just watching this boat drift toward them was bizarre as well.

You know, first of all, you think about the people who were on it, which a couple people died.

A couple people died.

16 injured.

Yeah.

So, I mean, it was tragic from that circumstance.

Imagine watching it standing on the bridge.

People were standing on the bridge.

You can walk across a Brooklyn bridge above the traffic.

People were standing on the bridge, seeing those masks come and go.

They're going,

what is happening here?

Yeah, your first thought is: does someone just massively miscalculate that they could go under this bridge?

But one, you kind of the way they don't seem to change direction or slow or anything.

And then you realize, okay, and that now they've lost power.

That would make some sense.

The question, of course, that you're trying to get at, which is more important, is why?

Why are they losing power?

And why?

Why could they not drop anchor?

When they lost power, they should drop anchor immediately.

Immediately.

I don't know enough about it.

Especially that ship, which is

a historic, right,

Mexican Navy ship

that is, you know, it looks like

everyone keeps saying it looks like it's out of the Pirates of the Caribbean, and it does.

But it has electronic control, so

it's not like that.

It's been updated

a little bit.

Why, why did that?

I don't know.

And why did the tugboat, could the tugboat, I don't know enough about this, so these are stupid, ignorant questions for anybody who actually has done this.

Maybe if you're listening, you can call us and tell us.

Why didn't they happen to run a Mexican Navy ship at any point in your career?

Yeah,

why didn't they just drop anchor?

Couldn't that, I mean, I know it may not have caught anything, but it

should.

It should stop you from drifting.

Is that really how ships work?

Really?

Are they still just trying to go?

There's going on like your emergency brake, you just drop the anchor, just stop right there.

It just seems like bizarre.

Like, there should be better systems, but I guess if you don't have any power,

that's what keeps you from drifting.

and that's what was happening.

It was drifting.

And then why wasn't the tugboat pulling the opposite direction?

I mean, you know, that there's got to be a simple answer for that.

It doesn't seem to have caused much damage other than obviously the, you know, to the bridge of the structures around it.

I mean, we already discussed the loss of life, which is significant, but it doesn't seem like it was like a terrorist attack, like they were trying to melt a bridge over or anything.

No, no, no, no, no.

And I'm not even saying, I'm definitely not saying Mexico had some plan.

Right.

If it was hacked into, it was not hacked into by Mexico.

They didn't do that.

That's like a China thing or a Russia thing.

But

I find it

fascinating that a bridge that complex, the first of its kind, could stand 150 years, be hit by that boat, and nothing.

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I saw on Joe Rogan,

FBI Special Agent Scott Payne.

He's an undercover guy, and he spent like 25 years with the worst of the worst.

I mean, the worst of the worst.

The Klan,

you know,

I'm trying to remember some of the other ones.

Base was another one.

He went out and he said, I've seen demonic stuff because when he was on Rogan, he didn't really talk about his faith.

And his faith carries him through a lot of this.

I mean,

he almost was killed several times, and faith saved him.

In fact, let me play this clip.

This is...

After I asked him, what is the closest you ever got to being caught when you were undercover?

Listen to this.

As far as blowing my cover, just getting caught,

the biggest one's probably the outlaws case.

That's where they took me down.

After a year and a half undercover,

they

a year and a half undercover doing all those insurance things, carjackings, whatever, and

some dope stuff.

We upped the ante to do a big shipment of drugs so they could be introduced because they've been asking, so they could be introduced to some cartel contacts because what does a drug dealer want they want the highest purity product they can get for the lowest price they can get because then they can step on it and you know and make more money right um so imagine if you're in massachusetts and you get a straight pipeline from mexico you're probably going to get some good stuff and uh we upped the ante and then at that year and a half point they carried me down into the basement uh it's more like a crawl space of the clubhouse um and stripped me at gunpoint looking for a wire the problem was is i I was wired to the hilt and

they almost found it.

It was close.

It was close.

And what are you going to do?

I'm like, even if you think you're a tough person and you can fight, you're in a crawl space, basement, whatever.

I can't stand up straight.

I could probably touch the wall on both sides.

They've already shown me their pistols.

I'm not free to leave.

And even if I could get past those two guys without getting shot,

I got another probably 10 upstairs with the door locked with a metal bar across it and everything else.

And it came close.

Like I had an oh crap moment, adrenaline dump.

Your auditory exclusion happens.

Your time dilation happens in your eyes.

Everything you see is in screen grabs.

Everything slows down.

Everything you hear is going whoosh whoosh real slow.

And what seems like an hour is probably a couple of minutes.

I took all my clothes off.

I wrote down my name and everything they wanted me to.

I was panicking like crazy.

You can clearly hear that my voice does not sound like this.

My throat is a lot tighter.

My pitch is a lot higher.

Some of my addiction is terrible because I'm talking through my nose because I'm freaking out.

And

I thought I was done.

And then Clothesline, who was supposed to be my buddy,

not the FBI undercover buddy, but, you know, the Scott Calloway buddy.

He grabbed a a piece of clothing and that piece of clothing had some equipment in it.

And he starts kneading it with his fingers.

You know, he's like working it.

He cracked the joke.

He's like, hey, man, I'm not going to find anything in here.

I don't want to.

Like some naked pictures of my old lady.

And I'm like, I hope not.

But I'm watching him do this and I don't even know I do it.

You can hear me on the recording go,

because I mean, what am I going to do?

You know, and

he looked right at it and missed it.

Wow.

By that much, by that much.

There's crazy.

There's crazy things like that because that's another, it goes back to my faith.

That night when I called my wife, I'd always called her,

especially during that case, I gave her like a covert phone, a burner phone I bought and set up so I could call her from my undercover phone.

And I called her that night and the first thing she said is, are you okay?

And I was like, yeah, why?

She said, man, I was driving in McAllen with the girls.

Our girls were little at that time, about like three and one.

And

she said, I just got this overwhelming feeling.

And I pulled over on the side of the road and started praying for you.

And that's when I was in the basement.

I looked at the time.

That's when I was in the basement.

So,

yeah, that's some freaky, freaky stuff.

But I mean, there's been other things where like, you know, somebody's got a double-barrel shotgun with both hammers cocked back like this on the table pointing at you.

Going, my brother, his brother's right there.

My brother says you're a cop.

And you're looking at his brother going,

he's right, because I arrested him when I used to be a uniformed patrol.

How do you get out of that?

Oh, did you?

Get out of that.

I started counter-accusing,

deny, counter-accuse.

Because I didn't have near as much training back then.

That was when I was at the sheriff's office.

But, you know, you find yourself in this situation again with another case, Poetic Justice.

You brought it up.

Guy's got a shotgun, double barrel, hammer's cocked back.

I should learn my lesson with those, I guess.

And he's, he's like, he's already told me, if I find out you the law, you're a dead man.

You hear me?

If I find out you the law, you're a dead man.

And then

I did something to bolster my bona fetus, to bolster myself as looking like I know what I'm doing, like I'm really a criminal.

And it, and I, I overstepped my bounds, I underestimated, and he, it's a chess game.

He, he got me on that one.

The next thing I know, I'm.

Did you say what you did?

Yeah, like, hey, I told him that I've been like, hey, man, that dope that I bought last time from his relative, it was weak.

And it was.

And any dealer or user is going to know.

And they're going to come back and be like, hey, what the hell was that?

You sold me, you know?

And I told him, I said, yeah, I said, that stuff was weak, man.

He goes, well, this isn't.

Try this.

And I was like, oh.

And next thing you know, I've got a red bone hound in my crotch.

And that thing was mean, mean.

I was like, you just didn't move.

You're just like, because it's going

like touching you.

And you're like,

okay.

And then he's got the shotgun and then there's an open bag of cocaine in my face.

And he's like, just do it.

Just do it.

And I'm like, I'm talking.

And I'm like, man, I told you I don't do it.

I'm laying out everything that I think I could lay out

for me and my story.

And then I realized this is his test.

And I even said it.

I said, so this is your test.

This is it.

And I just did some real quick hand movement.

And I didn't ingest anything.

And

I was pissed.

I let him know I was pissed.

But as as soon as that happened, you have to be able to see, is this situation deteriorating?

Clearly it was.

But as soon as I did that, he immediately,

everything was fine.

And he's like, hey, come to the back room.

Here's all the dope.

My relatives are a cop.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And

it was good to go after that.

But

I shouldn't have let that happen.

But again, it's a chess game.

You're trying to stay moves ahead while you're still connecting with people and gaining trust.

I mean, there were so many times when I said to him, I don't know how you do it.

I mean, I would, I'd have a nervous breakdown.

I'd have a nervous, I could not do it.

I get uncomfortable watching shows.

And I don't mean like, you know, like Mission Impossible.

I get uncomfortable when the people are, you know, lying to somebody in like, you know, suits and they're lying.

And I'm like, you're going to get caught in that.

And I get, I mean, like, oh, geez, I couldn't do it.

I couldn't.

can you imagine doing that job when I purchase something and I want I realize that there's something wrong with it or I don't need it and I need to return it I make my wife do it because I don't want to have the conversation with the person at the store who doesn't care at all

that's my life That's different than the life we just heard about.

I don't like any of it.

I don't like any of it.

Most of life I don't like.

No, right.

I don't like interacting with people.

I mean, here we are.

Look at what we do.

And both of us hate conflict.

Yeah.

Because we didn't get into this to do this.

We got into this to make fun of this.

And then all of a sudden, we were the guys who were like, what are you talking about?

Let me play one more thing.

Imagine being in this situation.

Again, this is the podcast that came out Saturday.

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This is.

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Let me just play this from the Biden-Hur interview.

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Cut five, please.

Here's Biden talking about

bow hunting.

Went to Mongolia and

great pictures.

I unfortunately embarrassed the hell out of the leader of Mongolia.

They were doing

what they would do at the time

of the invasion of the Mongols into Europe in the 14th and the 800s.

And so we're out in the middle of nowhere and they're looking up in the hill and you see this tiny line.

You know, it's a 20-mile horse race with all these kids under the age of 16 on bareback racing to come down.

And, you know, they're sumo wrestlers and doing everything they do.

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And these gorillas were, you know, taking shots.

And I think, I don't know if that embarrassed me or to make a point, but I

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But only found that work I can pull it back.

So I

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Oh, I really did.

Bales of hay that were like 20 bales of hay with a big target in the middle of the bale bale of hay.

And so I didn't mean anything by it.

I turned the prime minister handed to him, which

couldn't pull back.

Wow.

So the prime minister of Mongolia couldn't pull back the arrow in the bow, but he did, and he hit the target.

That's an amazing thing.

What an amazing story.

I'm sure that had a lot of relevance to what they were talking about in the documents.

But the

leader of North Korea,

he also is,

he has, he's played a perfect game, got a hole in one, all 18 holes.

First time he golfed.

First time.

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It's hard to do.

I don't impress it.

People know that.

But he might have been with the Prime Minister of Mongolia

who didn't shoot an 18.

That might be.

Yeah, maybe.

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He had a six?

He had a six.

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Well, the Prime Minister of England has just come out and said

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Wait.

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Okay, um,

a couple of things.

Is it more stormy here than usually at this time?

It seems like it.

Global warming's affecting us all.

I know, Glenn.

I know, I know, I know, I know that.

Last night I was

sitting in a theater.

My daughter was doing a final performance of something in this theater that she's been working with.

And

I get a text.

A massive storm is headed your way.

I just put the map down.

You're the ex.

Here's the giant storm with multiple funnels.

And I'm like, well, I mean, I like funnel cake.

Is that the same thing?

And we were right in the path.

And I'm sitting there and I show it to Tanya and she went, hmm, that's not good.

And I'm like, no,

no, it's not good.

What do we do?

I'm not equipped to live in places where there's tornadoes.

They're just, they freak me out a little bit.

Because they just, they can come down at any time and just suck you into the air.

Yeah.

It's unlike, you know, like a hurricane you see coming for a while.

Like a blizzard, you know, it's more like a, it's more like living in California.

Earthquake is the other one.

Yeah, earthquakes and mudslides, those things, those, and tornadoes.

Tornadoes should be in California.

Just all those really unpredictable things.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, you get the great weather most of the time, and then you have to deal with one or two really weird things.

Yeah, right.

This is just weird.

It's just weird.

I didn't know what to do.

And it was, and luckily, I get another text like 15 minutes later, and he's like, he writes to me, says that to me, and I'm like,

what should we do?

And then I get a text, this is where you should go

in case it gets a little crazy.

Rain should start in 15 minutes.

And so he's like, you know, go to the Sheraton Hotel, you know, two, you know, two blocks down.

I'm like, oh, oh, oh, now, should I, when do we do that?

When do we do that?

And Tanya just said, shh, quiet.

I'm like,

and I keep looking behind me.

I could see the door, you know, and I could see out the door.

And

15 minutes later, it starts to rain.

And I'm like, okay, okay, all right, I mean, I know, but I mean, really,

I mean, screw the kids.

We should get to a Sheridan, don't you think?

We should get, there's got to be some shelter at the Sheridan.

I mean, she's not going to want to leave.

She's performing.

She's doing a great job.

Maybe we should go so there's something left of the family.

That's that's that's right.

Brave of you.

I'm sure you want to do it.

Do whatever you want for the kids.

Just leave me alone.

Right.

You know, leave me alone.

You selflessly

to protect the family.

We're going to

leave the performance.

I mean,

honestly, it's a little like the continuation thing that they do at the State of the Union.

I was the one to be the designated survivor.

I volunteered.

I'm like, hey,

I will skip the show and be the designated survivor.

But nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Wife wouldn't let me do it.

We should have someone in our extended show family

have

in the middle of one of these tornadoes, like that a giant tree fell through their house.

Who?

Last night?

Yeah, from this recent batch of of stories.

I don't know that they want it necessarily discussed on national radio with

them and the tree.

I don't think any of them.

Why wouldn't they talk about it?

If they're not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't they talk about it?

Well, I mean, I just have not confirmed that they want it talked about.

But I will say that,

you know, it's just shocking when you hear that, it's like

someone you know.

What's so weird is if you've ever seen where a tornado goes through, it will like skip houses.

It doesn't take out, usually, it doesn't take out the whole neighborhood.

It'll take out like part of your house, all of your neighbor's house.

Three doors down, it's all fine.

Then across the street, a house is completely gone.

I mean, it's just weird.

So random.

We had a tornado that hit here

in Dallas last year, and it was going,

it was like close to like where my kids go to school.

And I'm like, I know they're at school.

And I'm like looking at this thing.

And I just, you just feel so helpless.

You're just looking at this, the trail of it's going like directly near where someone you love is.

And not to mention, it was right after school started.

So I knew my wife had just dropped them off where she should be.

Like, yeah, but is she at school?

Is she on the way back?

Is she driving through the path of it right now?

You have no freaking idea.

And it's so devastating if it, if it happens to drop right on you.

I mean, it's over.

He said,

this guy who called me, he's one of the protection team.

So he's texting me and I said, well,

where would we go?

And he said, whatever you do, just drive north.

And I'm like, dude, I don't know which direction is north.

What are you talking about?

It's nighttime.

I'm talking to.

Yeah, just drive north.

Oh, okay.

I'll look at the stars, which I can't even see or read.

Jesus,

we act as if we have abilities and skills outside of this room.

No.

No abilities.

None.

None.

We're the first to be eaten.

Now, let me ask you one other thing.

My other daughter, she's having a birthday today.

She's 34.

Wow.

And

I just sent her,

you know, a note, a text, just happy birthday, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then, you know, as a joke, because I don't know what it means, I sent her the salsa dancer.

Because everybody else is a family.

Yeah, this is a family text and everybody is sending all these emojis.

And I don't know what any of them mean, but I always like the salsa dancer because I really don't know what that one means.

I'm like, what are we going dancing?

I don't know.

I don't know what it means.

And there's a male and a female salsa dancer.

I only send her the male salsa dancer.

So

after I hit sand, I realized, you know, the eggplant and the peach are not representing fruits and vegetables, you know?

What did you just send your daughter?

What did I just send my daughter?

Do you know what the salsa dancer means?

I've never in my, I think in my entire life sent an emoji.

Good for you.

I don't think I've ever sent one.

Good for you.

So I don't know what any of them mean, although I've seen

the peach and the eggplant described.

Yeah, okay.

Sarah, please tell me I didn't send something weird.

As a parent, you don't just go swinging emojis and text messages.

That's what step one.

That's right.

You don't go like

the emoji slot machine is not a game you should be playing.

Definitely not.

But I did look it up, and it came up with the female, and it says she represents fun, freedom, a zest for life, and a positive affirmation, like great.

Okay, what is the male?

I don't know, but yes, sex with children.

Probably, probably, probably.

My luck, yes.

Yes, what is the male salsa dancer?

I'm very concerned about this now because I didn't realize that this you said the you'd think you'd send the female.

Why would you send the male salsa dancer?

Because I was the salsa dancer.

I was like, ah, celebrate.

Well, it says it symbolizes dancing, celebration, having a good time, and expressing joy or excitement.

Also, keep away from children.

So your plan here was to say, ah, celebrate.

I'm the salsa dancer.

I'm telling you to celebrate right now.

That was your

celebrate.

I like it.

I think you should every day pick a new emoji to send to one of your children.

And let's see how long it goes until it blows up into a national scandal.

I don't think we get through two weeks.

Oh, it's not good.

It's not good.

You don't never send random emojis to your children.

Because you never know

what could come down.

That could be really ugly.

I'm glad you survived that one, though.

Thank you.

Do you think she

thought

you were sending a message that you understood.

So, well, no, because

here's what I wrote.

Because at first, I really actually did send the salsa dancer because I don't know what it means.

It kind of seems funny.

Happy birthday, Hannah.

Salsa dancer.

I don't know what the salsa dancer means, but salsa seems like the right message today.

Yeah, I like that.

Spicy fun.

Spicy fun.

Well, not spicy in that way.

No, not that fun.

No, definitely not.

It is a spicy condiment, though.

Yes.

Let's choose another word.

I'm not the one that said it, weirdo.

Okay, all right.

Let me play

Keir Starmer, the prime minister from England.

A normal transition here, by the way.

Salsa dancer emoji to Keir Starmer.

What show are you even listening to?

I'm angry at the listeners for tuning in at this point.

It's all the people.

I mean, and you know this.

If you're listening, you're going to say to me, preach it, brother.

But it's all the people who have just given up on life.

They've just been like,

there's no way to solve any of these things.

20 minutes ago, I sent a salsa dancer to my kid.

It's over anyway.

Let's turn on the Glenn Beck program.

All right.

So Keir Starmer,

he comes out and he's talking about

immigration system permits abuse.

Listen to this.

So when you have an immigration system that seems almost designed to permit abuse, that encourages some businesses to bring in lower paid workers rather than invest in our young people,

or simply one that is sold by politicians to the British people on an entirely false premise,

then you're not championing growth.

You're not championing justice or however else people defend the status quo.

You're actually contributing to the forces that are slowly pulling our country apart.

This is the socialist.

This is the socialist.

Let me just say it again.

This is the socialist prime minister.

He goes on to say that this is what the average person has been asking for.

Now,

I don't know British politics at all, but if this were a Democrat here saying this and like the leader of, you know, the people who have been pulling us apart with the immigration stuff, I wouldn't believe that.

But that's the first time I think he said anything like that.

And he's like, we're going to, we're going to, we're changing things because this can't stand anymore.

Because, you know, the people who are English are not getting jobs.

And it's all of these, these.

people who are not assimilating into society.

And he said, and they're about to go into a fifth year and in five years you can become a citizen if you've been there for five years and he said we're going to make that 10 years

so okay

now what are you going to do in nine years you're going to change it again to 15 years i mean because he what he said was because once they're citizens they can go on the dole

You're giving them everything.

You're giving them houses and food and everything else.

What do you mean on the dole?

It gets better than that?

What were you saying earlier about empires collapsing?

Wasn't there a.

I think it was a step that describes this exact process.

Salsa dancer.

What's crazy about this is this shows

how

dead

this

global movement really is.

Now, I'm not saying he's going to do anything, but he's at least now having to recognize and speak the language of his citizens, whether he does anything or not.

You know, they were just last week, they were trying to, you know, hey, how can we put, how can we undo Brexit?

You know, I don't trust these guys at all,

but at least somebody is speaking the voice of the streets, at least at this level.

Now, if you're a politician, especially one from the EU or Great Britain, you most likely are, yeah, well, I can say that, but I don't have to mean it or do anything.

But that is eventually going to come undone too, as well.

And it's going to happen soon, sooner rather than later.

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Welcome to the Glen Beck program.

We have Mary Cutter coming on in a second.

She is a

She's a country singer, 50 million video views.

Can we play part of her song?

Devil wore a lab coat.

Listen to this.

We're going to talk to her about the devil wore a lab coat how dare her she we should

we should send her to canada

um so we're gonna talk to her about that song and so much more coming up in uh just a just a minute what else did we miss so far stew that we haven't gotten to well i mean this is uh what i've been mainly focused on honestly we've we talked about it a little bit is this uh joe biden book that's coming out this week it's tomorrow actually is the release of this book it's the jake tapper alex thompson book

Jake Tapper won't come on the show as of yet so far.

He's just, I just, oh man.

Can't.

This show sells more books than I think any other show.

I mean, and every publisher knows it.

You will hear people from time to time when they get on, they'll go like, we had to get on the Glenn Beck show.

We sell books like crazy.

They can't make it.

I mean, I will say they are getting a big media push out of this.

And it's getting a lot of attention.

Possible that,

you know, maybe we this show is known

in the industry as the Oprah of book sales.

I agree.

And we have been very complimentary of his co-author in his reporting at the time, not just after, but at the time, Alex Thompson.

So I think

at some point I think they will come.

I mean, I'd be fair to Jake Tapper.

Totally.

Did you hear his

someone asked him about, you know, hey, you kind of made some,

you were kind of skeptical of the people saying that he had, you know, had some cognitive decline there for a while.

Like, what's your, what's your excuse for that?

And he said,

basically, you know, some of the, he's like, I did cover it some.

I should have covered it more.

And, you know, that, that was a problem and I should have done better was basically what he said.

So, you know, but if you don't have, I don't, I don't excuse these, you know, large broadcasters because they can, they have access.

You, you can get access.

But if everyone is stonewalling you, everyone is stonewalling you,

you can't just go on as a news guy and say, yeah, I think

you have to go until you have proof, you have to go with, but you don't have to defend.

No, but what you do, look,

this is unbelievable, right?

Like coming from the media that like we're supposed to accept that, oh, gosh, well, they told us he was fine.

And what are we supposed to do?

I mean, think of what they did to get access to, for example, Donald Trump's tax records.

I mean, I think there might have been crimes committed for them to get access to them.

But they tried over and I mean, they spent years trying to get access to this.

By the way, we eventually got them.

I was like, oh, yeah, he's rich.

I mean, I don't know what we were supposed to get from them.

But they were fanatically obsessed with trying to get those answers because Donald Trump said, you know,

I don't want to give them to you.

Right?

That's how the media is supposed to react.

When a president continues, when you see evidence of thing A and thing, they keep telling you thing B, you get,

this is your time to turn on the journalism charm and figure it out and press and press and press until you get answers.

Again, I think Alex did that at some level.

You know, I don't know.

A lot didn't.

But here is the problem with this book coming out.

This doesn't give us any answers on.

who's responsible, who was doing the, you know, the executive orders at the end.

I think it gets us to that.

At least it gets us moving in the direction to get that answer.

That's why I'm happy about it.

Hopefully.

Hopefully it does.

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sound effects.

Like gold dressed in sheep's clothes.

The devil wore a lap coat.

Mary Cutter is the artist behind that and another song you might have heard.

Let's see.

It's Smell the Smoke, which I think is absolutely the bubble effect, which we have talked about on this program for a very long time.

Her lyrics are really intense.

Her music is really, really good.

Mary, welcome to the program.

Glenn, it is so good to be talking with you.

Thanks for having me on.

You bet.

How old are you, Mary, if you don't mind me asking?

I am the age of Jesus, 33.

So I think it's going to be a holy year.

You look very, very young.

So good for you.

Well, I'll taste that.

I appreciate that, sugar.

Thank you.

You bet.

So tell me about Devil War a lab coat.

Where is this coming from?

Well, I mean, it's coming from my heart.

So I grew up in Kentucky and

right in the middle of the state.

So where all the bourbons made is where I'm from.

So I don't know if you've ever heard of Bardstown.

Oh, yeah.

That's literally probably the closest civilization to where I'm from.

So growing up as a kiddo, when we needed to go to the Walmart, we would drive into Bardstown.

So that's kind of where I grew up.

And unfortunately, Glenn,

just like a lot of parts of our country, I really saw the effects.

of what big pharma, the opioid crisis, it just totally wrecked

so many lives of folks where I'm from.

And it's been on my heart a long time to write about this.

I live in Nashville now.

And the last couple years, I've been making my bread and butter writing for other artists to sing.

And it's mainly commercial country music, right?

So I knew I wanted to write this song.

I brought it into a couple writing rooms.

Everyone's like, hmm, song about big pharma.

What else you got?

And finally, I guess it was about a month and a half ago, I was with two good buddies of mine, Brian Alexander and Ross Scribe.

And I just told them, I was like, man, you know, I don't know what this song will even do.

I mean, I want us to write it like a song that, you know, you could run on the treadmill to, and that's just a jam.

But I want us to not parse words and just say it like it is.

And we wrote that song in less than 45 minutes.

And I posted just a day of recording, and it did its thing.

I guess that's how we got connected.

I mean, I'm still mind-blown.

I mean, I think it's like over 24 million views on social media.

It's been wild.

But it's because it's so many people have, unfortunately, you know, they've seen it with their own eyeballs.

You know, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who has not been affected in some way or knows someone who has been affected by this crisis.

You know, it's really interesting.

Back in the 60s and early 70s, music would reflect the things that were going on.

The pain and what the average person was thinking.

It doesn't do that anymore.

And there's just a couple of you, maybe a handful, that are actually writing lyrics about things that are truly going on, the hard, ugly things that are really going on in the country.

Well, that means a lot coming from you, Sugar.

You know, there's nothing wrong, obviously, with, you know, writing a song about, you know, being at the bar

getting over someone.

But what I really do connect with the most is writing songs about real people, real stories.

And sometimes that is a little bit more gritty, but a little bit, you know, off the beaten path.

But here we are.

It seems like that's what the folks really resonate with too.

Is Nashville changing at all?

I'm so afraid.

I'm so afraid that

Hollywood will move out and all the and they'll start taking that as well.

There's something about the lyrics about country songs that they it is America.

It's one of the last bastions of actual American anything.

You and Ralph Lawrence.

You're not wrong.

Yeah, you're not wrong at all.

And LA definitely is moving into town.

I think since COVID, especially, more and more folks, you know, we're hopping from California to Tennessee.

And for good reason, Nashville is an awesome place.

If, you know, someone hasn't been here, they ought to come in.

It's a great place to visit.

It's a great place to, you know, write music every day.

You know, you go to the grocery store, you'll run into literally people that are on the radio.

You know, it's a small town and a big city.

But

the way I see it, you know, I definitely am excited that we're, you know, getting at least new musical ideas and musical ways.

Like the producers out in L.A.

are so talented.

They're bringing those tools, teaching us Nashville folks how to do that.

But I do think you're right, especially the lyric writing, it's so important to protect that.

And I think folks, I think they will, because I think they know it's special.

I hope so.

I hope so.

I mean, I'm concerned about with Hollywood moving into Austin, Texas, and so many people moving into Texas, it's a little frightening.

We lose Texas to the other culture and

it's not going to go well.

Can I talk to you about Smell the Smoke?

Absolutely, Sugar.

So

this is your second most popular song on Spotify.

And I have talked for probably 15 or 20 years about something called the Bubba effect.

And the Bubba effect is when people know something is wrong, but they just no longer trust the government and they'll take care of their own.

And even if they have to punish or whatever, the person in their community, they'll stand up for that person, even if they know they did wrong.

And they'll say, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

Or, you know, Bubba is part of our community.

Get the hell out of here.

That's kind of what Smell the Smoke is, right?

Oh, 100%.

And, you know, it's crazy, Glenn.

That is a true story.

So, and folks can read about this online.

There's even books written about it.

There was this group of folks from where I was from.

I grew up listening to this story that I ended up writing a song about it.

There was this group of fellers named the Cornbread Mafia.

Now, they did not dub themselves that.

The FBI did.

And back in the 80s, it was just a group of farmers, bankers, preachers that were having trouble making ends meet.

And so they started growing weed in the middle of their fields.

And long story short, the FBI caught wind of it.

They came down to where I'm from.

They rounded them all up.

I think there was around 70 people they arrested.

Not a single person talked.

And it was the largest roundup they had ever had.

You know, you know, they would like, you know, round up the mafia back in the day and all that.

Someone wouldn't normally talk.

But where I was from, nobody talked.

And they ended up calling it the Cornbread Mafia.

And so I wrote that song.

And

I guess it was a couple months ago,

I posted a clip of the video.

And I always kind of wonder, I was like, you know, a lot of those fellas are still alive, you know, obviously.

It wasn't that long ago.

Well, one of the founders reached out to me.

I thought, uh-oh, if this is either going to be a good message or a bad message, but he really liked the song, which was, it was pretty cool to, you know, just tell the story.

I mean, you're not wrong with the Bubba effect.

It literally is that.

So why didn't they talk?

Why did nobody turn on each other?

Just small town, everybody knew each other?

I think it's loyalty.

And,

you know, where I'm from, and just like other next of the woods, especially in rural communities, they feel like they're born behind the eight ball.

You know, they can work really hard from dawn to dusk every day and still have trouble

being their families.

And there is, you know, right or wrong, obviously, but there's also this gray area.

And it's interesting you bring up this effect because I honestly,

my song Devil's Money, that is, I guess, the highest streaming song so far, that's a true story about my great-granddaddy who was a bootlegger.

Now, he was a bootlegger in Barge Town, Kentucky.

Remember, we were talking about the bourbon capital of the world, and he was a very religious man.

And while he was a bootlegger, he ended up giving a portion of that money to build a church.

And so it's just one of those things, once again, was what he was doing against the law?

Absolutely.

Was he also trying to take care of his own?

Absolutely.

It's funny because my grandfather, I found out recently, was a bootlegger.

I have a picture of him with the still in the middle of nowhere.

Oh, my gosh.

Where was that at?

Yeah.

Where?

What?

Where was that at?

That was in Iowa.

I'm trying to remember where.

I can't remember.

Yeah.

But I know.

Isn't that crazy?

Yeah.

He didn't build a church.

I think he bought himself a Packard.

Well, you know what?

Both work, you know?

And that is really fascinating, too.

Learning about the family history and just the folks that came before us is so

neat.

Of course, social media connects us all, right?

And I remember when I first posted Devil's Money, all these people commenting like my great-grandfather was a bootlegger my great uncle was blah blah and I was like wow I didn't realize it was such a common thing but I guess it I guess it was you know those folks doing what they thought they needed to do to get by it was not popular with people at all it was you know a group of progressive elites that said no more liquor and the the whole country was like are you out of your mind

and then it started to cause more problems and people just started bootlegging because you're going to drink.

The people did not like the law and didn't like the idea that the federal government was going to come in and tell them what they could and couldn't do.

So it's not like it is now, you know, with certain laws.

You don't look at it that way.

That's so interesting.

That's so interesting.

But there is something to be said for once again, it's just real folks.

doing real stuff and sometimes a little bit of a gritty situation, but they're interesting songs to write.

I'll tell you what, Glenn, I have a blast doing it.

That's so great.

Mary, I wish you all the best of luck.

You're just, you're really, you're wonderful.

Your music's great, and you're just a delight to talk to.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Have a good one.

You too.

Mary Cutter, singer and songwriter in Nashville.

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Like old dress and sheep's clothes.

It is.

It's

amazing to watch the Bubba effect in action, isn't it?

I mean, Stu, we were just talking about

the woman who called

the little kid an N-word, right?

That was from a few weeks ago.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Evidence of that effect potentially, Rob.

Yeah, everybody

rallied around her, and you're like, I don't want to rally around that, but I understand why she did it.

I mean, not why she did it.

Well,

I don't know what, I don't know what her, I don't know what her reason is, but I understand there's something else that's going around online.

The

what was it?

The, are they calling it now, the black fatigue or something?

And it's, it's this, yeah, it's this weird thing.

I don't even know what it is, except it's something along the lines of,

you know, you're just, you're tired of being told you're a racist and

blacks are in on this too.

So it's not just white people saying blacks are in on this too, saying the real, you know, I'm having a Denny's fight and nobody goes to jail, you know, and you're made to feel because you're not black, you're made to feel like you're the problem.

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People are just tired of ghetto talk, white, black, whatever.

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I'm concerned.

The racism, the constant accusations of racism has been and I'm really concerned where that's going because

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You know what I mean?

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We found out over the weekend that Joe Biden has cancer and it doesn't look good.

And our condolences and thoughts are with the family and prayers are with the Biden family.

Can we play Cut 10?

This is Joe Biden speaking in 2022.

And because it was a four-lane highway that was accessible, my mother drove us and rather than us be able to walk.

And guess what?

The first frost, you know what was happening.

It had to put on their windshield wipers to get literally the oil slick off the window.

That's why I and so damn many other people I grew up have cancer.

And why can't for the longest time, Delaware had the highest cancer rate in the nation.

Stop.

So he has cancer.

That's 2022.

And we were told at the time that was a gaffe, right?

Right.

At the time, that was like, oh, you know, Joe Biden, he always says things that are insane.

Yeah.

So it wouldn't be a gaff.

It would just be a weird, I have a fire, you've had a fire.

We're both firemen kind of stuff that he used to do.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, he, he, I mean, it wouldn't have been shocking if the actual truth was he just said he had cancer when he didn't.

Let's play quickly Democrats responsible for a major cover-up.

Listen to this.

Do you feel like you were duped, fan?

Like, how do you feel?

First, this book is extraordinary.

I don't care who you are, left, right, or otherwise.

Anybody who cares about this country and about just the dynamics of power, this is the Emperor's new clothes playing itself out in real time.

Everybody knew, but everyone was afraid to say, except for David Axelrod for two years, that something was wrong here.

This is amazing.

This is Van Jones saying

the Democrats, he goes on to say, the Democrats

were involved in a massive cover-up and a crime against the Republic.

That's pretty significant.

And that's pretty true.

We'll see you tomorrow on radio and podcast.

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