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All right, hell, Stu, how are you?

Wonderful.

Really cool.

Everything is awesome.

Great.

Everything is cool when you're part of the team.

Oh, my gosh.

And are we part of the team?

Well,

yesterday,

things went a little nuts in Washington.

There were some unhinged leftists.

Now,

that's a little redundant,

but some unhinged leftists

were at the RFK hearing.

where

he's talking to the House Appropriations Committee

and some crazy protester erupted, you know, in just what they do.

And if you're watching the Blaze, I want you to watch this or listen to it if you're on radio.

Here we go.

The witness will suspend.

The committee will come to order.

Capitol Police are asked to remove the individuals from hearing you.

Members of the audience

are reminded disruptions will not be tolerated.

I guess they were saying RFK lies and people die.

I don't.

Maybe it was about Hamas.

Maybe it was about

too many umbrellas.

I don't know.

It was.

It was too many umbrellas.

Too many umbrellas.

Far too many umbrellas in this country for sun and for rain.

I mean, what is that?

It's everything.

I'm with them, frankly.

Too many.

So we have JF or RFK.

Now,

did you see, if you're watching it, did you see his reaction?

Watch again, just the very beginning of it.

Stop.

He looks terrifying.

He looks like he's about to get shot.

Yeah.

But you're as a Kennedy.

Kennedy.

You don't do that to a Kennedy.

Now, here's what's crazy.

These are radical leftists.

Stu,

when did people stop considering his radical leftist

lifetime record?

I don't know.

I'm

as perplexed as anybody on this one.

He has been a radical leftist for a very long time.

I mean, I would think there's probably examples of other hearings back in the day where people were doing that type of protest on his behalf.

Yeah.

Right.

Maybe not that he asked for it, but like thinking that they're aligned with him, certainly on climate issues.

And now all of a sudden,

I guess you get involved with Donald Trump and everybody turns.

Yeah.

So let me go back to the testimony.

Cut one, please.

So do you disagree with the cuts that are being proposed for Medicaid right now?

No, the cuts to, you know, this is a, I don't know if you understand this or whether you're just mouthing, you know, the Democratic talking boys.

The cuts to Medicaid are

for fraud, waste, and abuse.

And I'll tell you what that means.

It means that because of doge we were able to determine and it's about eight million people who would be affected because of doge we were able to determine that there are a million people who are claiming medicaid from multiple states that's illegal it's theft you're not allowed to do that there are another million people who are collecting both under obamacare and the secretary that has nothing to do with the budget that these are the only cuts that are being made these are the only cuts that are being made to medicaid that's not true

yes it is

Another million illegal aliens.

We announced a law yesterday, yesterday, a rule yesterday, we're not going to pay illegal aliens anymore.

And guess what Gavin Newsom did this morning?

He said, we're going to take all the illegal aliens off the California Medicaid rolls because the feds aren't paying for them anymore.

So the compassion ends.

Secretary, let me focus you.

It's incredible.

How no one is actually listening to facts anymore.

I mean, it's one thing when you're not listening to facts, you know, from Donald Trump or Joe Biden.

Okay.

We can argue about facts all day and we, you know,

whatever.

This is RFK

arguing with Democrats about Medicaid fraud abuse.

And he's saying, We're just taking people off that are illegally using Medicaid.

Who is against this?

Honestly, again, who is against this?

Now, Gavin Newsom is putting everybody on California aid.

Excuse me, California?

How are you going to afford that?

Every taxpayer, left, right,

center, every taxpayer in California should be raising holy hell.

Will they?

No.

No, they won't.

They won't.

How are you going to pay for that?

Your state is going to collapse economically.

Now, you know why the Democrats are not worried about that?

It's because that's part of the plan.

That is Cloud and Pivin.

Collapse and overwhelm and collapse the system.

And they've already done it.

They did it in New York City back in the 70s, and New York City collapsed.

Now they're doing it to states.

And it's going to happen the same way.

And I'll be damned if I am going to send my taxpayer dollars to California because you didn't have the balls or the brains to stand up.

Not doing it.

I'm not doing it.

Hey, dummy.

Only one of us is going to be right in the end about your financial collapse.

And everybody who can put two plus two equals four

down on a table, Not seven, even if you show me your work, but four.

This is simple math.

You are going to collapse.

Why am I going to pay for it?

You come to the United States of America and you ask us to bail you out.

And anybody in Congress that is from my state,

I will make it my mission.

To put you out on the street.

I will make it my mission if you vote to bail California out.

Oh, but we have to have California.

Do we?

Do we?

Do we, really?

Do we?

Honestly,

I didn't sign up for a suicide pack.

I moved to Texas for a reason.

I didn't want to be part of the suicide.

Well, no, they're committing suicide, so we all have to.

What kind of cult are you in?

My gosh.

And

look what the Democrats are doing.

Look at what the left is doing.

The left is becoming so incredibly radical.

You had in Newark, you had what was her, what was her name?

The Congresswoman.

I wrote it down.

Congresswoman, shoot, something.

La Monica MacGyver.

This week on MacGyver,

we assault ICE agents in Newark, New Jersey.

So MacGyver went out.

Congresswoman goes out and it's pretty clear assaults these officers and tries to storm in as part of oversight.

That wasn't oversight.

That was an oversight.

And you know what it really was?

A setup.

Because I want you to play the AOC comment from a couple of days ago where she commented on this.

Because Homan says, no, in fact, plague Holman first.

No one's above the law.

Listen to this.

Do you want the congresswoman who was caught on camera assaulting ICE agents to be arrested for that?

If you assault an officer, absolutely.

No one's above the law.

We should be supporting them, not assaulting them.

Especially in a facility that carrying some of the worst of the worst, you can't lose control of the facility.

And when you cause

what they cost up there,

it causes the safety and security of that facility to fall.

And that's not what you they're trying.

And I said to anyone,

you can

not support us.

You can support Sanctuary City.

Shame on you, but you have that right.

But don't cross that line and you will ask for criminal prosecution.

Okay, so

the government, you know, now the government, that's sane at least, is saying, look, I don't care who you are, left, right, pink, purple, black, white, doesn't matter.

You assault a police officer, you're going to jail.

Well, that, I mean, that's just something I've always grown up with what about january 6th beck yeah you're january 6th you're like those people going to jail

yeah i'm going to have another conversation with you about the rule of law and due process but that's for a different uh time uh

now what are they doing now aoc comes out with this warning And now what DHS is trying to say, again, they're using public intimidation because they know that they cannot come for us all they know that they are not that they cannot come for us all and recently what they said is that DHS is allegedly looking into arresting members of Congress who are showing up for their legal and constitutional obligation to conduct oversight if anyone's breaking the law in this situation it's not members of Congress it's the Department of Homeland Security it's people like Tom Homan and Secretary Christy Noam You lay a finger on someone, on Representative Bonnie Watson-Coleman,

on Representative, or any of the representatives that were there, you lay a finger on them, we are going to have a problem because the people who are breaking the law are the people who are not abiding by it.

And it is enshrined in the law that members of Congress who show up to ICE and CBP facilities are required to be granted access, legally required to be granted access.

And they legally cannot be inhibited from accessing these facilities to conduct their constitutional obligation to investigate and conduct oversight.

So if Christy Noam wants to break the law,

that's on her.

Okay.

How can anybody take this person seriously?

I know.

They did state a poll.

Who's the face of the Democratic Party?

Her.

She was number one.

I know.

This This complete moron bartender from five years ago is the face of the party now.

Yeah, well, but which is, I mean, perfectly just.

It's reasonable.

It's just.

If you've been watching the Democratic Party, it's reasonable that she would be the leader now.

They're socialist.

They're stupid.

They're nothing but activist.

They're nothing but chosen

puppets for, I don't know who's pulling all the strings of the Democratic Party, but that's what she is.

She's just a little puppet.

She's just a little chosen puppet.

Hey, you know what, bartender?

We can make you a star.

And we have that all backed up.

We did a show on her early on, how she was selected, how she was elected.

I mean, she was selected.

She's a little puppet.

So, you know, it makes total sense that she is the face of the Democratic Party.

But what's happening here?

What's happening?

DHS,

the Hamas, the

riots now of everybody standing up and saying,

you know,

you can't

export illegal aliens.

You can't send them back home.

The riots that are just itching to start.

Now we have, what's his name, the failed vice presidential candidate, little short

Elmer Fudd Hunter guy.

Oh, gosh.

What was his name?

The guy

in Wolf.

No, Tom.

No.

Anyway, you know him.

Oh, Tim Waltz.

Tim Waltz.

Oh,

you sure he was the one who ran?

I think so.

Okay.

All right.

I'm not sure anymore.

But he's now come out and said, you know, the government's going to release

Derek Chauvin.

No,

there's no evidence of that.

There's none.

Donald Trump has said, no, we're not doing that.

But what are they doing?

They're itching for a race riot.

They're setting something up.

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We welcome to the program, the Vice President of the United States, and somebody who I think has a presidency in his future, J.D.

Vance.

Welcome to the program, Mr.

Vice President.

Glenn, how are we doing?

I'm great.

I'm great.

What an amazing few days the president has had, first with all of the

foreign winds before he left, with the wars, you know, and everything that the State Department and Marco Rubio is doing.

And

now this speech, I think this Riyadh speech is historic on so many levels.

How would you describe what's going on in the Middle East this week?

Yeah, so I agree with you, Glenn, about that particular speech.

I mean, when I listened to it, and I obviously knew a little bit about what the president was going to say,

it changed a little bit, I would say, over the last couple of days.

But the core message is very simple, that America wants not to remake the the world in america's image we don't want to force our allies to adopt our exact form of government we actually want to be in the business of shared interest and shared economic cooperation and so long as you're not trying to kill anybody and so long as you're interested in building wealth for your citizens and working with america then america is open for business and i think that's a very important signal to send to the world you know the Obama administration economist Larry Summers had a very smart point a few years ago.

He said, you know, when the Chinese show up in the developing world, they show up with a bag of money.

When Americans show up in the developing world, they show up with a lecture.

And if you're given a choice between a lecture and a bag of money, you're going to choose a bag of money every step of the way.

I think what the President is saying is that era of American preachiness and America telling other countries how to live their lives, that era is over.

And I think it's a very important point for the Middle East.

It's a very important point for the whole globe.

And in some ways, only President Trump could have made that argument at this point in time.

Are we stopping with the bags of money, too?

I think we're stopping with both, but

we are really looking at economic cooperation.

You know, in Africa, for example, Glenn, you have American diplomats sent by the Biden administration who are telling very conservative Christian African countries that they need to fly the LGBTQ flag, but they're not engaging in any economic arrangement where, you know, the Africans have critical minerals that we need.

They have other industries that we could be participating in, we could be partnering on.

And I think that's the bags of money point.

It's not that we're going to give them money, but that we could have some shared economic relations with a conservative African country where we wouldn't want to tell them how to live their lives.

We would actually just want to enter into a partnership with them.

And that's, again, a big, big change.

It's a big shift, but it's an important shift from a very dumb American foreign policy to a very smart one that I think is going to benefit this country for the next generation.

There was this old TV show.

It was a game show when I was a kid called the $20,000 Pyramid.

And they would allow you to say pass, and you could skip the subject or the question.

And I give you that.

We're playing the $20,000 Pyramid here.

I look at the reaction of your speech in Europe, then I see the moves that they're making.

I see the new Prime Minister of Canada, who was the architect of the Glasgow Financial Accords.

And I'm not sure that that we're on the same page anymore.

We can be friends with everybody, but I'm not sure we're walking down the same path anymore with those countries.

Well, it worries me, Glenn, because look, there are certainly some economic benefits and friendships that we can have with a lot of our, you know, sort of Western European and obviously our Canadian friends.

But in Western Europe in particular, you know, my view on this, Glenn, is our relationship with Western Europe is always going to be unique.

America, of course, started as an English colony.

We're always going to have a special relationship with the United Kingdom.

But what that means fundamentally is that if we see certain Western European countries, in Germany, for example, where we have 38,000 troops, if we see Germans doing something that is incredibly offensive to America's values, I think Americans are recoil a little bit at that.

And, you know, I went to Germany very recently, very briefly, Glenn, just to visit the troops and say hello.

And I was hearing from Germans even during that very brief visit on the ground things that they were worried about free speech policies in their own country.

Well, if we've got 38,000 troops there and we're living amongst the Germans, we're literally defending their country,

I think you can expect Americans to at least express some negative opinions about some of the free speech policies they're seeing in Europe.

And Glenn, you know this as well as anybody.

Things that start in Europe sometimes come over to America in the same way that things that start in America sometimes make their way to Europe.

The kind of social media censorship that we've seen in Western Europe, it will in some ways already has made its way to the United States.

That was the story of the Biden administration silencing people on social media.

So we're going to be very protective of American interests when it comes to things like social media regulation.

We want to promote free speech.

We don't want our European friends telling social media companies that they have to silence Christians or silence conservatives.

And I think there is going to be that friction over the next 10 years.

It's not that we're not friends, but there are going to be some disagreements you didn't see 10 years ago.

So, you know, they have decided they're not going to pursue being a leader in AI, but they're going to make all the rules.

How confident are you that we are in

a winning position here on AI?

It is advancing so rapidly.

And the things I hear that

come out of China, it's either, no, they're way behind, it's all a paper tiger, or they're way ahead.

Where are we, do you think, on AI and

AGI?

Well, I think that we're ahead, Glenn, but

nobody who says that we're way ahead should be believed.

In artificial intelligence, six months is a lifetime.

12 months is a generation.

We're probably 12 months, maybe two years ahead of where the Chinese are when it comes to critical hardware, when it comes to the necessary infrastructure, when it comes to the engineering talent.

But that is not very far ahead at all.

And we're really going to have to invest a lot in developing America's next generation of scientists.

Glenn, we're going to have to make sure that our hardware companies, that we stop regulating them to death, that our energy infrastructure, that we stop regulating it to death.

Because if we allow the Chinese to catch up, we may never, ever have an edge on China in this space again.

And I think a lot of people, you know, artificial intelligence, it's a chat bot.

It's something that maybe helps a college student write a paper.

No, no, no, no, no.

The artificial intelligence that I'm worried about, Glenn, is the kind of intelligence that helps them develop next generation weapons, that helps their rockets and missiles hit their target.

99% more accurate than

the weapons that aren't using artificial intelligence.

There are just massive massive defense technology implications of this that it's kind of like, you know, what would have happened if the English Army had fought the Americans in the Revolutionary War and we had M16s and they had muskets.

We don't want to meet on a battlefield of the future and have, you know, that we have the muskets and the Chinese have the M16s.

I think AI is a critical part of staying ahead of the communist Chinese.

And it's something, look, we're very focused on.

We've got a great guy in David Sachs of the administration who's leading this effort, but it's full pedal to the metal glen.

We have to constantly be innovating and staying ahead of the game.

We can't follow the European lead of regulating.

We want America to innovate and that's what we're going to keep doing.

I spoke to the president a couple of weeks ago and he, you know, I was going to ask him about nuclear energy and he just volunteered.

You know, I said, you know, what about energy with AI?

And he

went into saying, you know,

we're talking about making them

their own utilities.

They can build it.

We're going to clear, even if they want to make nuclear power plants.

That didn't print.

I mean, I thought that was one of the bigger headlines of my lifetime.

And nobody seemed to pick that up or care about that.

And

we do lose if we don't have these power plants.

What are we doing to accelerate?

I mean, they need 99% of our power by

2028.

99% of the power that's currently being made.

We need power plants.

Yeah, you're a smart guy, Glenn, because I don't know what else the president said during that interview, but I doubt it was as important as that point.

Nothing.

This is a critical issue.

And you ask what we've done.

We've had Lee Zeldin at the EPA and all of our environmental folks look at how we cut through the red tape and make it possible.

Because

the market would do this, right?

These companies would like to do this, but it's the environmental bureaucrats that have told them you can't really attach a power plant off-grid to a pure artificial intelligence hardware facility.

We're tearing down those regulations and making it possible again.

And then, of course, Glenn, part of this is not just building these facilities, but is powering them with the fuel that we need.

And the president, you hear this term, all of the above.

The president has really said we're in all of the above.

Like, you know, we're releasing regulations on coal, we're empowering the natural gas folks, petroleum, obviously, nuclear.

Like, this is a president who said, all power that we have, we need to put into

this prospect.

And Glenn, one more important point on this.

If you look at a chart of electricity generation, the People's Republic of China versus the United States,

20 years ago, we blew them out of the water.

Right now, the PRC is producing about three times as much electricity as we are, and we flatlined over the last 20 years.

That's innovation, that's development.

That's got to change, Glenn.

We have got to be producing more power for the next wave of innovation.

It's maybe the most important part of the puzzle.

So

I did a show last night on just that a reset is coming.

It's inevitable that a reset is coming.

And we have to hurry, cut the budget,

onshore,

fix the tariff or the trade deficit, or we don't really have a chance of doing anything.

And as I was looking at, we ran three different models through AI, and they all came back with the same stuff.

And we're doing those.

The president is doing those things, except for the cutting of the budget.

I mean, Congress won't even pass the Doge cuts.

When will the White House become strong on you must cut the spending?

Yeah, great question, Glenn.

And I will say the big, beautiful bill text just came out last week.

That's going to change a lot from now until then.

We've already had conversations with House leadership that we want to see some more significant efforts to rein in spending here.

The President also believes, Glenn, and I think he's right about that, that if you cut the trade deficit or

you raise revenue through tariffs, that you actually go a long way to making the country on a more sustainable fiscal pathway as well.

But you're right.

You can't do it without cutting domestic spending.

We're going to have to do it and get serious about it.

I mean, I think the red money.

We're making that as clear to congressional leaders as possible.

But look,

knock on wood here, but I think that once we get the final package out of the House and the Senate, we're going to have something that's serious

on budget cutting.

And there's one final point on this, Glenn.

What no one talks enough about and where I, you know, when I talk to Elon, I talk to the Doge folks, where they think they're going to get the most cuts is in taking people, illegal aliens and and other people who are defrauding the Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security system.

Like you think about two people, right?

A guy who's paid into Social Security for 40 years.

Obviously, we want that guy to get his Social Security benefits.

You compare that person to an illegal alien who's engaged in Medicaid fraud.

Obviously, we don't want that person to get their benefits.

I think Democrats are going to fight us on this, but this is such an important point.

We cannot allow people to defraud the Medicare Medicare and Medicaid system, or it's going to bankrupt this country.

It's also just fundamentally unfair.

I don't want people who shouldn't even be here to be on the public dole.

Right.

I know you're headed over to the Vatican.

You're going to be celebrating the inaugural Mass of Pope Leo this weekend, along with Senator Rubio, who's also Catholic.

You had one of the last conversations with the last Pope.

Why does the Pope

matter so much to the world?

And I want to talk beyond faith and religion.

Why is he so important?

Well, you know, obviously, right, he is the leader of 1.4 billion Catholics.

And so there is just a lot of soft influence, right?

He doesn't have a military.

He doesn't have an army.

But he does have a lot of influence through those Catholics.

And, you know, a lot of those Catholics, I think we won a majority of Catholics in the last election, but a lot of those Catholics continue to vote Democratic.

And so, you know, there is just a natural influence in

having the ear of 1.4 billion faithful people, including, you know, 100 million or so in the United States.

I also think, Lynn, something I've picked up on, and you don't see a lot of headlines about this, but the Vatican has already played a very constructive role in some of the peace conversations that we've been having all over the world.

They've been trying to facilitate negotiations between the Russians and the Ukrainians.

They've been trying to facilitate other peaceful negotiations between various countries.

And so, you know, they have that soft power, right?

They have the ear of those Catholics, but then they also have an ability to use that soft power to play a mediating role in some of these disputes.

So, you know, while the Pope doesn't have an F-35 standing behind him, he does have the prayers of a lot of faithful Catholics, and that matters when you try to insert yourself into these conversations.

So we welcome that engagement.

As you know, the president really does believe that we can have have less conflict in the world if we just have cooler heads prevail.

So, yeah, we welcome that engagement and we'll continue to do so over the next few years.

Thank you so much, Mr.

Vice President, for all you do.

If you don't know why he picked Leo as his name, you in particular will be fascinated by it.

You'll have to ask him because

you'll love the reason why he did.

Have a safe trip.

Thank you for everything that you've done and Godspeed.

Thanks, Glenn.

Take care, man.

Bye-bye.

J.D.

Vance, our vice president.

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SCOTUS is listening to arguments on birthright citizenship.

The focus really is on the judge's power to block policies nationwide.

That's got to stop.

That just has to stop.

But we'll see what the Supreme Court has to say.

That's really the focus of this, too.

It's really not as much about birthright citizenship, right?

From what I'm understanding,

this one's more about the injunctions.

Yeah, and it's going to be very narrow, even even on the injunctions, I think.

Really?

Yeah.

So

we'll see.

We'll see.

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He's here in my heart.

I mean, in that way, but I mean by like the calcium built up from all of the heart disease that I've received from the company over the years.

But yeah, no, he's not here.

He was at that big hearing.

He was, I'm getting, it's difficult to understand where everyone is anymore.

Like, I feel like at the time,

it was, this was easier back in the day.

You know, like, you could kind of like, you hear Ben and Jerry, you knew left, right?

Like, it was easy.

Now, I, you know, I, I missed the days when we could just put labels on people and it was easy.

It was easy.

It made things a little bit easier to keep track of.

You know, like some people have put the label anti-Semite, for example, on Ben and Jerry in their company over the years.

That was a label that I thought was interesting.

Right.

You know, it's, but it's, he's like now opposing RFK, who, I mean,

I think is on probably Ben and Jerry's side on many things.

Almost everything,

right?

Like there are some things RFK has obviously changed on when it comes to the woke stuff, and I think some of the censorship stuff.

Although I think, you know, I think I could be wrong on this, but maybe Ben might even be one of those old school socialist types that would

maybe even agree with us on some of the censorship stuff, right?

Maybe.

Maybe.

You know, because I mean, part of the socialist movement in the United States was kind of built on the opposition, right?

Was kind of built on the opposition to like the McCarthyism.

Yeah.

And so there was, there's some ideological.

They were before that when they were the ones being shut up.

Of course.

That's the right opposite.

And now that they're not the ones being told to shut up, they're like, we have every right to tell you to shut up.

Yeah.

Like, oh, okay.

Let me ask you this, though, because

he's also been embraced by some parts of the right.

And, you know, like, Tucker did an interview with him.

That's not an embrace.

You could talk to whoever you want to talk to, right?

There's nothing wrong with that.

We've done it.

We've talked to people on the far, far left, even much farther left, and crazier than even Ben or Jerry over the years.

I no problem with that.

As a journalist, you should do that.

I mean, you know, Tucker talked to Vladimir Putin.

Yeah.

Right.

So did Megan Kelly.

Yeah.

I would talk to

America's biggest enemies.

Yeah.

But I wouldn't say that.

I wouldn't suck it up to him.

Right.

You would ask tough questions.

I'm sure Tucker did in the interview.

But we are, I've noticed this thing that we're doing, and I'm a little concerned.

Let me see if I can articulate this.

Us on

the right, the conservative side of the spectrum, find

someone

who has some crossover with us in some way, but is really a figure of the left.

And we kind of give them this warm embrace and say, hey, come on over.

We've got this thing that we agree on.

It's wonderful.

And then they sort of become part of the movement.

And that's totally fine.

Like, let me give you an example.

Tulsi Gabbard.

I really like Tulsi Gabbard.

She's been on the show a bunch of times.

She's in the administration right now.

She's great.

So this is not criticism.

I'm glad Tulsi Gabbard has had this awakening over the years.

I'm excited about that.

But so she comes over.

She's, you know,

she supported Bernie Sanders, ran the Sanders campaign in Hawaii back in the day, you know, not that long ago.

But she's had a transition.

She's come over and obviously is in the Trump administration now.

And so

we look at that and we say, hey, that's great.

We've brought someone from the left over to our side.

And that's great if that's what you're doing.

If you're convincing someone on the left.

to convert their ideas into something closer to your ideas.

That's a positive change.

You're widening the tent in a way that we all can support.

But really, what Tulsi's doing in the government right now is she's being consistent with her old left-wing views on things like

stopping wars and not, you know, and being tough on intelligence issues with the government.

Yeah, because we woke up on that.

Well, because we've changed, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So

that's what I'm getting to here.

What seems to be happening is we're embracing things on the left, and it's not us changing their views into ours.

It's us changing our views into theirs and then embracing some of those people.

That's not necessarily bad if we were wrong the whole time, right?

But I think we were on the endless wars.

Yeah, I mean,

some of that I agree with, right?

The phrasing of it and maybe

the scope of it, maybe I'm not fully there.

But generally speaking, I think, you know, we've definitely overstepped our bounds at times.

A lot of times.

Yeah,

I don't think that's improper to say.

But I mean, again, I look at at the way Trump handles it and it's different than what Tulsi's vision of this is.

I think

Trump is tough.

I think Trump is Ronald Reagan.

I'll pound you into the sand.

I will turn your sand into glass.

Don't screw with us.

But then he's like, but we're buddies right now.

So you don't want to be buddies?

We'll be buddies.

I like to, for example, this, his Syria move, I think is fascinating.

And I think the right move.

I'm not 100% sure.

And I'm not 100% sure.

It's It's a very complicated situation.

But I think it's worth taking a stab at this.

It's a new regime.

The guy used to be literally in Al-Qaeda.

I know.

However,

maybe he's changed.

I think the chances of it are low, but why not pull that lottery ticket?

Because the downside is what we already had.

So

give a shot.

You give the guy a handshake.

You say, hey, we're going to drop these sanctions.

We're going to give you a chance to not turn yourself into the old regime.

And I think that's the right approach.

I think it's.

Nobody is ever turned by lectures.

Yeah.

Or like opponents' lectures in particular.

Right.

I mean, you turn people through love and understanding and giving them the benefit of the doubt

until they prove you wrong.

It's a great point.

And I think it ties back to

my previous

way where we started this conversation, which is a lot of people in our movement are being won over to previous left-wing left-wing positions by new friends.

And that is not bad in and of itself, but we've done it a lot lately.

And I'm going to change the channel.

I have some better examples.

Because I changed, not because of Tulsi.

No.

No, no, no, no.

But the movement changed.

And the reason why I liked Tulsi at first

was I liked the fact that she was willing to stand up to her own machine and say, no, you guys are wrong.

You guys are going down this fascistic route and I won't go there with you.

You are changing all the rules.

You're not who you said you were.

That's why I originally liked her, because she'd take on her own people.

And that takes courage.

So it shows you something about her character.

Then when you get to know her, you realize, oh, we might disagree on taxes and everything else, but she loves the country.

She loves and reveres the Constitution of the United States.

If I can get you on the Bill of Rights, we don't have any differences too big to not be able to bridge.

And again, I don't think Tulsi is a problem.

No, I don't.

That's not what I'm saying.

But, you know, you have, let's, Tulsi is in DNI.

You have RFK Jr., HHS.

It's a big one, right?

Like, I mean, you know, you look at the way RFK Jr.

approaches,

I mean, he, look,

he's awfully close to someone who looked like Michael Bloomberg on public health issues.

This is something we, now he was

kind of a Republican in New York at one point, But you know obviously it was something that I know we oppose and the audience loudly opposed when he was trying to control what you eat now.

He has some you know I think there's some differences.

I'm not saying there aren't any but like you know going after

You know food companies and changing the way that that's a change for the if that's what the right is that is a change for the right.

We were always in favor of people making their own choices and having uh companies be able to produce the products within some guidelines.

As long as they are not killing people or

harming people.

There are guidelines.

There's guardrails, of course, to all of this.

But generally speaking, ours were wide.

The left's were small.

And now we've taken the guy who was the voice of the left's view on those, RFK Jr., and put him in charge of the right's view of it.

And is that a good thing?

Maybe it's great.

Maybe he's been completely right this whole time, and we should have been approaching things that way.

I think if our society was not getting sicker and sicker and sicker,

then

there's reasons for all this stuff, but like we should, we should notice those things.

You know, he's a really, I think, a big example of that because that is a, it's a massive change to the way that we've we've done these things.

Another one is trade.

Peter Navarro ran as a Democrat over and over and over and over again

on these trade ideas.

Now, Donald Trump has been consistent with these trade ideas since the day he was in the public eye.

There's nobody who has been more outspoken on the anti-trade up until recently recently than me and you.

You're still outspoken on it.

I think we have to give it a shot because we're behind the eight ball here.

Yeah, I mean,

I don't like the policy.

I don't agree, but

again, it's separate from whether each individual one of these is right.

There's a lot of these, and over time,

I think you'd acknowledge it is going to add up to a completely different formula.

It might be the right thing for us to do.

But isn't this...

But we should notice each one of these changes, I think.

Isn't this, and I I think you're right on that, but isn't this the same as?

I mean, you're not the same guy I met 30 years ago.

Totally.

Yeah.

We all change.

Yeah, we all change, and that's good.

And we should notice when we change because then we learn from, wait, why did I just change?

Did I change for the right reasons?

Or did something happen to me?

Is somebody around me that's changing this?

You, you do.

We do have to pay attention to the change.

But

I think change is good.

It can be.

Yeah.

You know, I mean,

if it's well thought out, if it is still built on principles

and an evolving understanding, not of truth, but

how to get to the truth.

Like I, for instance, the foreign war thing, I just know right now, what we've been doing is not working.

It's not going to make the world safer, ever, ever, ever, ever.

It's not.

However, sometimes it has, obviously, in previous wars.

But yes,

the meddling of everybody, trying to control everything.

He can't control everything.

Yeah.

And it just doesn't, it's not going to work.

And

it's making things worse.

Now,

pulling all the way back and saying, you know what,

we don't want to be involved in the rest of the world.

That doesn't sound good to me.

Yeah.

And I don't think that's what Trump is doing.

Right.

But it might be the right thing.

I just know, I know for sure that what we had been doing doesn't work.

And I really believed in what we were doing.

Well, I believed in what I thought we were doing.

You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah, for sure.

And so we have to make changes and changes in almost everything.

And as long as it's logical, as long as you have really thought things out, as long as you're not just conforming, you know, the real, the really scary thing is when people begin to conform.

for any other reason other than logic.

I've reasoned this out.

I've asked critical questions.

And I'm sorry.

I'd love more information that might change me out of this position, but this is where I find myself out, find myself at.

And even if I'm uncomfortable, I have to stand here because this is my current understanding of what's best.

You know, and as long as you keep an open mind and you're constantly seeking to have a better understand of deeper truths, then

I think you're fine.

But one of the things that we're going to face, especially with AI, is all of a sudden we're going to conform because Google would give you page after page after page after page of different information.

Chat GPT gives you one answer.

And you just assume it's right.

They don't give you anything.

It's going to be a fascinating development in our society.

And it's already there.

It totally is.

You Googled and you had to go and reason and look at different things and everything else.

This is one answer.

I know it's right because it came from AI.

Very dangerous.

I guess the thing is, just the part I guess we really agree on is question everything always.

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