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There's a couple of things that have been going on.

The ex-Illinois House Speaker has been convicted on 10 corruption charges at trial that exposed the greed in Illinois from the Democrats.

Michael

Magigan.

Beautiful.

I know.

I mean, seriously.

You hear me and you're like, oh, I understand why he's in the Hall of Fame.

I get it.

That's just how low the standards are in this country.

Yeah.

Me.

The long-serving Illinois House Speaker,

he was convicted on Wednesday on 10 federal charges after running an influence peddling trial that exposed corruption and greed.

He stood there as the jury rendered a mixed verdict, which include deadlocking on overarching

racketeering conspiracy.

You know that, you know, I told you yesterday, the number one thing, five times higher than any other place,

the Google search in Washington, D.C.,

number one is

legal defense attorney, criminal attorney.

Okay.

The next one is, what is RICO?

What does one have to do to be charged in a RICO case?

What's racketing?

We've been filing them against every Trump official for the past four years.

I know.

So

a lot of people in Washington, D.C.

are freaking out.

They're just freaking out.

And they should.

They should.

In every category, they should.

This makes me really happy um and it makes me happy too that we're taking on the pentagon you want to see where the real corruption is the real waste is uh pentagon stop number one ground floor pentagon

we're going to find so much corruption there and so many missing funds where did i put that trillion dollars

It has been going this way for a very long time.

Ever since I was a kid, I heard about $700 toilet seats.

You know, back when $700 toilet seats were crazy.

Am I right?

Oh my gosh.

Tulsi Gabbard was confirmed yesterday.

She is the 14th member of Donald Trump's cabinet to be confirmed.

She is now the Director of National Intelligence.

If you don't know what the DNI is, the DNI is

the

The one stop that was created after 9-11, because remember, the FBI FBI had intelligence, everybody had an intelligence agency, there's 18 of them, and none of them were talking to each other.

And so the DNI was created to oversee all of them to make sure that all of the information is being shared.

So this is

really

even more critical than the CIA chief, because the CIA chief is in charge of the CIA, but the director of national intelligence is

the

watchdog agency over all of them.

So Tulsi Gabbard is going in and she's going to tear that thing absolutely apart.

Yesterday, Doge canceled another 58 federal contracts.

I'm trying to see how much they saved us yesterday.

Well, just check the U.S.

debt clock to see.

Trump

kicked everybody off of the

Kennedy Center board.

Do you know who's on the board of directors of the Kennedy Center?

Just think competence.

Just think, who's the most competent person in the last administration?

And I know that's a tough.

Oh, Corinne Jumpierre.

Yes.

Are you kidding me?

She was on the board at the Kennedy Center.

No way.

Yes.

Yes.

She can't even.

Oh, I know.

Read.

I know.

And she was on the board of the Kennedy Center?

Board of the Kennedy Center.

So he fired all of them because the Kennedy Center is way in the red.

And quite honestly, I would really like it if

the president would just put the Kennedy Center up for sale.

That should be private.

Why do we have a national theater like that?

What are we, Russia?

Why do we have that?

Amen.

I love this idea.

Yeah.

I performed at the Kennedy Center.

Remember that?

And just that in and of itself means we should demolish the police.

So anyway.

But when I was at the Kennedy Center, remember they told us that was the first time the U.S.

flag was ever displayed on stage.

Do you remember that?

That's healthy.

That's healthy for the future.

That's really good.

For a national theater, that's really good.

It's just out of control.

And so.

People like art, Glenn.

I don't necessarily like it, frankly.

I think a lot of it sucks.

Yes, you do.

You do like art.

I guess.

I mean, certain types of art.

You are a fan of the really, really sporty Cadillac.

Oh, that's art.

Well, well, yeah, that kind of art, sure.

But that's art.

You have a designer that is looking to make it as appealing to the eye as possible.

Yes, you're right.

Okay.

There are, I'm, there are examples of art.

What I'm talking about, though, is, you know, theater, opera, musicals, you know, in that general vicinity.

That's, you know, three

avenues of art.

Everything should be looked at as art.

Believe it or not, what we do here

is an art.

I mean, it's like, you know, I want to be in the circus.

Well, shovel the elephant crap.

You're in the circus.

Welcome to it.

Yes, but I'm in the circus.

You know, what we do here is art.

Everything, the guy who laid my floors when we were remodeling our house, this guy was an artist.

Yes.

Yes.

It's a little too broad to say I don't like art.

I grant you this point.

But like

when it comes to this type of art that goes on at the Kennedy Center, not necessarily my favorite type.

I'm not all that interested in it.

But you know what?

I'm not interested in anything that comes out of the Kennedy Center.

Well, including what you were, you were one of the things that came out of the Kennedy Center.

Yeah, I know.

I was barely interested.

I was like, there's a show I wouldn't pay to see.

But like, people do enjoy it.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

And you see all over, like, you know, Dallas has a big theaters, you know, district and it's been don't millions of dollars in private donations have gone to these places.

And that's the way it should be.

And that is the way it should be.

Government, if it has to spend on things other than, let's say, the common defense, which is what it should be spending on, but if it has to, if it's going to spend on something, maybe you could find something that is

culturally important that won't happen unless the government spends on it, right?

These things won't exist unless the government spends.

Give me an example.

I don't know.

I don't have one.

Yeah.

Okay, but like at least you should target that.

You know what, people like painting.

You know what people do when they're like on a Friday night and they want to go, they go paint.

People buy paintings because they want them in their house.

There is a private market for painters.

It might not be as large as you want it to be.

It might not be, well, why?

People are spending more money on Dave and Busters than these paintings.

So the government needs to take over and fund all of these painters painters and opera singers and all that.

No, they don't.

The bottom line is we shouldn't be involved in the arts at all as a government.

That is not the correct scope of the federal government to be involved in federal schools.

Would you include art classes in schools?

I mean, I don't, of course, I be for private education.

Yeah.

I don't like the government schools idea at all.

Right, I know that.

But, you know, I mean, you want to.

I mean, even locally, your tax dollars are going to school.

Is art a part of the

education?

It's similar in a similar fashion that other subjects are, right?

Like, I think it's part of a well-rounded education for child.

I'm with you.

I don't think that the government should not be involved in any of this stuff.

Yeah, but any of it.

Once you become an adult, if you want to do this for your job, you need to provide a service that somebody likes, right?

I'm sorry.

I know this is asking a lot.

But this is what it used to be.

Right.

I mean, I know I'm an old-timey kind of, you know, let me talk to you about countrytime lemonade here.

But when I was growing, when I was growing up, my grandparents, my dad, my mom,

not so much my grandparents, but my mom and dad were very supportive of me wanting to go into radio.

My grandfather thought I was out of my mind.

You're not, what do you do?

What?

That's not a job.

It actually is, grandpa, if you're really good at it.

But all of them said the same thing to me.

Or you.

I got to tell you, I just,

I love you so much.

It'll be hard to fire you today.

Anyway, so

they all said to me the same thing.

You have to have a backup because it rarely works.

Right.

It rarely works.

I would have never thought the government should support me.

Did you hear

the girl who is on

food stamps and everything else and is driving a 2025 or sorry, 2024 BMW?

And she's like a 20-something.

And when somebody reported that she had a brand new BMW, she went online and said, I can't believe you, what, in America, you can't have a nice car.

No, not if we're supporting you.

Right.

There's nothing wrong with a nice car.

There's nothing wrong with being an opera singer.

Right.

But that doesn't mean we pay for it.

Yes.

Yes.

There might only be a market for 12 total opera singers in the world.

I don't know.

I think it's that high.

I don't know.

It could be less.

And I think if you're in Vienna.

There might be a big market for it.

Right.

And there might be a case for that country to say, you know what?

We were built on this kind of art.

We should fund the art.

That's up to Vienna.

But not for us but like right like especially

since there's so few people that like the opera right it might just be glenn that if you want to be an opera singer your lot in life is you go and have a normal job and then sing opera on the side yes a lot of people do that with painting they do that with musicians do this all the time lots of musicians are stuck in this situation by the way you know what else a lot of people do podcasting a lot of people can't do podcasting and actually earn money but they do it anyway because they enjoy it or they want to try to make money.

They want to try to grow it into something.

That doesn't mean the government should step in and say, well, there's this person who has 14 people streaming their podcast.

We have to give them money because of quote art end quote.

No.

No.

Do something of value to other people.

And if you can't come up with that, sorry.

Not our role, not my job as a taxpayer to fund your opera.

No.

If you want to come up with a single-legged transgender nun opera,

that's on you.

Yeah.

And maybe people will show up, but I'm not paying for it, by the way, particularly in other countries, which was what we were actually doing.

Right.

And I'm also, I'm also not interested in, you know, Second Amendment stuff.

I'm absolutely for.

You need, wait, you need

a government grant to make guns.

You're the wrong guy to make guns.

Yeah.

People like them.

People like guns.

They buy them all the time.

They buy them all the time.

It's It's a good business for a lot of people.

Nope.

So, nope.

I don't want them involved in anything I absolutely love.

And I love art.

I love art.

You do.

Look at how you're good at it.

But would you want

a government grant to be funding your paintings?

Wait, can I get some of my tax dollars back?

You have to ask the guy in the question marks.

Yeah.

Right.

How do I get it?

No, I don't.

I don't.

I mean,

you're living and sponging off of other people.

You know, part of the deal is with art,

and artists don't like this, but that's the deal.

I want to do something else.

You know, I want to paint my way.

Okay, well, paint your way.

Who knows?

It might be big.

It might not be.

But all of the masters, except for, you know,

you know, Rembrandt and

Michelangelo and Leonardo, most of the artists were starving.

Oh, so you want want starving art?

No, I don't want it.

I just, if that's what you are really compelled to do and you want to do something different, then do it.

Do it.

But I'm not going to pay for your

passion on doing something that nobody wants to consume at this time.

People are going to pay, well, not you, but somebody an awful lot of money for your paintings if you happen to be one of those guys that was just ahead of their time.

He said, guys, he didn't even include women.

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Trump is coming out swinging.

I think as he goes into these agencies and sees the level of corruption, I mean, people don't understand.

These NGOs,

90% of them are from the left.

90% of them are giving, for instance, all these NGOs that got all this money from USAID, most of them were started up

to help facilitate the border crisis.

These were all left-leaning organizations that the government just happened to find.

How did they find all these NGOs?

Because it's all the same circle.

And they were sending the money there, how they were used, who got what money, were there any kickbacks?

That's all being exposed now.

Donald Trump is seeing this, and he's becoming more and more bold.

He said yesterday, quote, I want the conjob of the education department closed immediately.

Wow.

He said,

as soon as possible, but I'd like it to be closed immediately.

It's a giant con job.

You know, we're 40th in the world, being ranked number one for cost per pupil.

He said, send it back to Iowa and Idaho and Colorado.

It's the state's responsibility, not ours.

And I think that's great.

It's amazing to me how California wants the federal government to take care of their education.

But when it comes to the border, the federal government has nothing to say here.

How dare the federal government tell us how to run our border?

Well, the border is constitutionally defined as a federal operation.

And we have been saying that should go back to the states if the federal government isn't going to fulfill its constitutional duty.

But that is an enumerated power of the federal government.

Now they're saying, no, the federal government, they argued that the states don't have the right to, you know, Texas didn't have a right to protect its own border.

Okay.

But now...

California is arguing, no, no, no, federal government doesn't have a right to tell us what to do with the border and immigration.

Wait, you can't have it both ways.

And so now he's going in the next, I mean, they filed, what, two days ago, four days ago,

in Chicago, going after the city of Chicago for their

obstruction of ICE and Department of Homeland Security.

Now he's going after

Letitia James.

Hochul,

the governor of

New York.

And everyone is saying this is because they went after him.

No, this is because they're out of control.

He also went after the head of the DNS, the DMV

because the DMV is breaking the law.

And Pam Bondi saw it and she said, you know what?

If you are trying to thwart the United States government on immigration, it's our constitutional duty and we're coming for you.

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There is a great thread from Matt Smith

that I retweeted last night, and it's about

the dollar and our economy, and everyone needs to read this.

What the average person is going to be talking about is, my groceries are going up.

And yes, they are.

That's not anything from this administration.

That is from all of the lies that the media was telling you that things were strong and it's getting better and yada, yada.

No, it's not.

Those numbers and all of that stuff were garbage.

And it's not getting better yet.

And Donald Trump is cutting, cutting, cutting.

But we also need to cut regulations.

We need to get business back on its feet.

These two things have to happen in a coordinated fashion.

Otherwise,

you're going to gut the spending.

Because remember, most of our GDP, a lot of our GDP is coming from the government.

They're spending all of this money.

You're not spending money.

They're spending money.

That's keeping the government's GDP.

So if you cut, our GDP goes down, which means all kinds of numbers start to fluctuate from interest rates and

everything else.

So we want a growing GDP, which means we have to grow real wealth.

We have to grow real business, not NGOs.

And the one guy that I think can do it is Donald Trump.

But there's a tweet

that caught my eye yesterday because it starts with gold.

And I've been following the comics.

There's something going on with gold and nobody really knows what it is.

Somebody here in the United States is is buying a crapload of gold.

We think,

I hope, it's the treasury or the central bank, the Fed, but somebody is taking huge physical deliveries and it's causing shortages

in London where they're, you know, they buy and sell gold.

They're shortages now of gold because somebody is buying it and shipping it here, somebody with very deep pockets.

Okay,

so why?

Now this is all theory.

That's fact.

Here's the theory of what's going on.

They're preparing for a full-on gold audit.

We talked about this yesterday.

The government right now claims on its balance sheet as an asset all of this gold and it's valued at $45 an ounce.

In case you haven't heard, it's $2,900 an ounce.

So they're talking now about boosting the price of gold, at least market to market, but maybe even making it $5,000 an ounce.

If that happens, the balance sheet starts to fall into line and our debt to GDP is not as bad as it really is right now.

Just start...

claiming the truth about gold and our balance sheet starts to come into line.

Start taking our minerals, start taking our oil and claiming those as assets and putting those on the balance sheet, which we can do.

And it's not a bad idea unless

we lose in the end because then we lose all of our assets, our natural assets.

You put those on the balance sheet.

This helps strengthen the United States because we're coming to a place where we're not going to be able to finance the debt.

Who wants to write the United States a new long-term

loan

at less than really market value.

And market value, I mean, you know, if you walked into a bank and you had the credit report that the United States of America has, what do you think the bank is going to charge you in interest?

You're a risk.

You just are addicted to spending.

You're doing ridiculous things.

I'm sorry.

Now, they might write you a check if you have all of this stuff on your balance sheet, okay?

And that's why they're doing it.

They're trying to reshore up our balance sheet, make ourselves healthier than we are, because we're at the end of the dollar.

We're at the end of this financial system.

So this is

an end game.

It's why tariffs are being

brought in.

It's

to

force others

to start to see the sorry situation they're in.

I mean, Europe, if this deal with Ukraine goes through,

which, by the way, yesterday had a great, a perfect phone call with Putin, and it did go really, really well.

And Donald Trump is saying, yeah, you know, we might have to have the resources from you.

We want your rare earth minerals because of what we've already given you.

We want that in exchange.

He's doing that

as a negotiating tactic with everybody.

And he's putting on notice the European Union, we're not in this anymore.

This is your problem.

We leave.

We're not rebuilding Ukraine.

You have to do it.

And you're going to have to protect it.

And we're not going to guarantee its...

its protection.

So if you want it protected, you do it.

They're talking $3 trillion

to be able to rebuild and protect.

Europe can't handle that.

But you know what, Europe?

Neither can we.

So he's putting everybody in the same situation.

And this is going to cause inflation to rise.

It's going to.

It will punish the average person because of terrorists and everything else.

If they're not done exactly right,

it'll punish with higher prices.

However, he's betting that wages will also rise because he's forcing people to keep their profits here and make jobs here.

If everything goes right,

what the

trade on gold is showing us is that we may be going towards a gold-backed financial system or a gold-backed currency of some sort.

The Fed could even be shut down.

There is something big in the wind, and nobody knows what it is for sure.

So if what do you do as a regular person,

you need to understand that the dollar could be by design being collapsed.

That's exactly what the Biden administration was doing, collapsing the dollar, but they didn't have a plan.

to replace it other than a digital dollar and you know global slavery.

I'm not sure what the plan is here, but it seems much more American-centric,

good for America, and eventually good for the rest of the world.

And it doesn't look like it is taking

freedom away from people, but we have to watch it.

The situation with the economy is

really dire.

That hasn't gone away.

What we have is one of the best mechanics who have hired the rest of the best mechanics to come in, put up the hood, and say, we want to save this engine.

How do we do it?

And they're applying that.

We don't know what direction, but

a huge sign that something big is coming is the amount of gold that is being purchased.

And the key here that you have to understand,

shortages in London, gold flowing into the U.S.

at record levels.

Somebody with deep pockets, this is what Matt Smith is scooping up gold.

They're reshoring gold that might have been leased out.

What does that mean?

That the United States is buying all this gold.

Why?

Because they're reshoring the gold that might have been leased out.

That's rehypothecation.

That's just the word away from the word that I said.

If you see rehypothecation begin to be bantered around,

look out.

What rehypothecation is, is we've taken one asset and we've counted it on several different

accounting books.

So we counted it the United States, but also we've...

We've leased this gold out to Germany so Germany could get more money based on their gold.

But their gold is our gold.

And our gold is England's gold.

So

that's how dire this is, is we're beginning to enter the world of rehypothecation, which means no one owns anything

because

your house,

you say, well, I got my loan through Citibank, but Citibank has rehypothes,

re has used rehypothecation to put that on their balance sheet as that's their house, but they sold it in a package to eight different banks and they're all counting that house, yours, as an asset.

So when they all start to go down, they all say, well, we've got all these assets.

Well, no, you don't.

Which one of you has the 100%?

You're all claiming 100% of, you know, Bob Smith's house.

Which one actually has it?

Well, they all do.

This is such a Ponzi scheme where, you know what this is?

This is a story of the producers.

You ever see the movie or the stage show Mel Brooks, the producers?

Why did they get into trouble?

Because they were selling over 100% of the play.

They kept selling the play.

You get 100%, you get 100%, you get 100%.

All thinking that it's not, that that particular show wouldn't make any money.

It won't be a success.

It's the worst play ever.

So it will close, and nobody's going to audit and say,

wait a minute, you sold 100%.

Nobody's going to ask.

They just want to get away from it.

They lost their money.

It closed.

But if it's a success,

they now have to pay 100% of the proceeds to 14 different people.

It's a scam.

That's what's happened here.

They have sold 100%

of your house, or in this case, the gold

to several different people.

When everybody says, I'm in trouble, I want my money back, I need my gold.

Trouble.

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By the way, I have Alan Dershowitz on.

What do you think Alan Dershowitz is going to say about the release of the Epstein client list?

What do you think he's going to say?

It's interesting.

He's been sort of lumped into that and was later

in trial.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, she dropped the charges.

Yeah.

Oh, maybe it wasn't you.

Oh, maybe it wasn't Alan Dershowitz.

Oops, after five years of saying it was.

Right.

But I would also think, and I get, I'm sure he, if there is someone who actually did stuff with Jeffrey Epstein, I'm sure he'd want that exposed.

On the other hand, you know, just releasing a large list of names of people who are going to be tied into and accused of pedophilia has to hit him in a weird way, right?

Right.

But what are the odds?

So what are the odds that he says, let's be careful?

And what are the odds of him saying, I want everything out.

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Yeah, and he has talked about that before.

So that's it.

I don't know.

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We are possibly days away from the Epstein client list being released.

Cash Patel is going to have to be confirmed, but that is in the hands of the director of the FBI.

If he's confirmed, I believe Cash is going to release that thing right away.

And we talked to Anna Luna Polina

yesterday.

Anna Polina Luna.

Yeah, one of those.

One of those.

In some order.

Yeah.

We talked to her yesterday, and she said that's not what this commission in Congress is supposed to do.

That's up to whoever has the information to release them.

We're just as a committee here to investigate and make sure that everything has been released.

Now, should we be concerned at all on a witch hunt?

Because I don't know what the client list means.

Does that mean that people that were going to the island and, you know, having services?

uh you know on the island i don't know if so i want every single name released.

Or is this just a black book and your name could be in there because you had business dealings with Jeffrey Epstein?

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I don't know.

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We can't...

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Welcome, Alan.

How are you?

I'm great.

I can't wait for the entire list to be produced.

I want everything out there.

I want every videotape.

I want every photograph because they will prove that I had nothing to do with anything.

Indeed, the woman who accused me has now admitted publicly, withdrawn her lawsuit, admitted publicly that she may have confused me with somebody else, misidentified me.

I wanted to show that, yes, I was on the island once with my wife and my 10-year-old daughter when Jeffrey Epstein, who I was his lawyer, had just bought the island and he wanted to show me the island.

There was nobody on the island except for me,

Epstein and his workers, and a professor at Harvard named Michael Porter and his wife.

We had an intellectual dinner, left the next day.

And so, if my name is just on the list, oh, somebody who was on the island, no, I want everything out there.

I want to explain, yes, I was on the island.

And yes, I was on his airplane.

I flew down on his airplane in order to represent him in front of the

court and in front of the district attorney in Palm Beach County.

I was his lawyer.

And as his lawyer, of course, I was in his home.

I never saw a young person.

I never saw a naked or semi-naked person.

I never saw anything inappropriate.

I never did anything inappropriate.

And the only woman who accused me has now admitted that she may have confused me with someone else, misidentified me, and caused me over a million dollars in legal fees, expenses, and all kinds of difficulty.

So I want everything out there.

I want every word, every videotape, every tape, every black book, everything.

I want the world to see everything so they can make a judgment.

But what we shouldn't see is selective disclosures.

Oh, here's an address book that has so-and-so's name in it.

Bill Clinton's name is in it.

I'll never forget a situation.

I was having dinner.

This is an interesting story.

I was having dinner at the home of Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of the president.

And the other guest at the dinner was Bill Clinton.

And he was president of the United States.

And my wife was there.

And the Secret Service man comes over to the president and gives him the phone and says, somebody wants to talk to you.

Clinton walks away for about 15 minutes and then he comes back and says, Alan, somebody wants to talk to you.

And so I was curious, who the heck was President Clinton talking to for 15 minutes?

He hands the phone to me.

It's Jeffrey Epstein.

And I said, Mr.

Epstein, what's up?

He said, well, I need your legal list and this and that.

And I had this legal issue and that legal issue.

We talked for a couple of minutes, made an appointment, and that was the end of the discussion.

But, you know, he's had conversations, obviously, in business dealings with Bill Gates.

He's had business dealings with Fidel Castro.

He went down to Cuba and met with Fidel Castro to try to help him on economic issues.

He met with presidents and governors and senators and let's have it all out there.

Let people explain it.

I've spent, what, five years explaining my situation and

obviously the world now knows that I was completely, totally, categorically, falsely accused by a woman I never met, never heard of, and never saw, and was never in the same place with in my entire life.

Okay, so let's not jump to conclusions.

All right.

So what does it mean, do you think, his client list?

What does that mean, do you think?

I don't know that there is such thing.

I've never seen such a thing as a client list.

Nobody claims that

anybody paid for anything.

So I don't know what a client list would mean.

I think there is a, I know I've seen, an address book.

And the address book, you know, has everybody in the world's name in it, you know, princes and kings and economic moguls and you name it.

So there's that book.

There are also appointment books and there are plane logs.

And for example, I'm on the plane logs, but always with other lawyers and never with anybody young.

I've never been on a plane with him with anybody young or anybody suspicious.

So I would love to see the plane logs all out there.

I'd love to see the address book out there.

I want to see what kind of company I'm in, whoever, which other lawyers.

You know, he was represented by some of the biggest law firms in the country, Kirk Lindelis and some of the others.

And the names of the lawyers, of course, are going to be on lists.

But one shouldn't confuse.

There is, as far as I know, I wish there were a list that said list of people who had sex under Jeffrey Epstein's auspices.

I would love to see that list because, of course, I wouldn't be on it.

And, you know, Jeffrey once said to me, Alan,

you have the happiest and best marriage of anybody of all my friends.

Epstein was against marriage.

He said, you're the only person I've seen have a good marriage.

So, you know, there's no way he would ever have suggested in a trillion years.

I had sex with no human being other than my wife from the day I met Jeffrey Epstein.

I've sworn that under oath.

I've proved it by my calendar references.

Nonetheless, I get every day, I get emails, I get websites.

accusing me of being a pedophile.

I have a lawsuit now against some anti-Israel person because the anti-Israel group has gotten together and they all say, Oh, Dershowitz, how can you trust Dershowitz?

He was on Epstein's list.

So they're still using the fact that I was Epstein's lawyer as a way of trying to diminish my reputation as a pro-Israel advocate.

That's why it's important that everything be out there and everybody in the world know that I never had any contact with anybody that was sexual or improper in the years that I knew Jeffrey Epstein.

I am

pleased to hear you say this because a guilty man would not say release everything.

I said it from day to, by the way, the day I was falsely accused, it's now 11 years ago, that day I said, release everything, show everything.

I will produce all my memo books.

I have been memo books going back from the time I started teaching at Harvard.

And I will claim no privileges.

I will not claim any privileges.

You can ask me any question.

You can ask me about anything that happened.

I'm an open book and you can do the same with my wife and my children.

And of course my wife was interviewed and she and everybody else confirmed everything.

I have records, American Express records, purchase records, proving that I couldn't have been in any of the places that people claimed I was in and in inappropriate situations.

I was never in those places at all and certainly never during a period of time when anything improper could have taken place.

So, the more that's out there, the better for an innocent person.

Okay.

So,

the thing that is surprising to me is you did go through five years of hell of people.

You're innocent.

Ten years.

Ten years.

Okay.

How do you prove your innocence?

Exactly right.

You knew.

And yeah, but I did.

I was able to, because fortunately, I keep very careful records because I'm a lawyer.

I have to account for every hour.

And so I have careful records of every hour, which could prove, and not only that, they're all backed up by American Express.

They're all backed up by travel records.

But

this is what I wanted to talk to you about.

Not you,

but the possibility of witch hunts for other people that might be in your category.

Look, I did business with him, et cetera, et cetera.

Because everybody's going to claim that.

Everybody's going to say, oh, no, I know I was down there and I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Some innocent people might be scooped up into this if it is his address book.

How do we stop

saying to everybody, well, you're going to have to prove your innocence?

I think in America, we have freedom of speech and we have transparency.

You let it all hang out and let the public judge.

based on the totality of the evidence.

The one thing that couldn't happen, that shouldn't happen, and that did happen in this case, the judge in this case said, I'm letting this out, but I'm not letting that out.

And the judge withheld information that would have proved innocence.

And that's what I'm afraid is happening in this case.

There are going to be people who are going to say, we want this to be out because it shows suspicious conduct, but we're not going to let this out because it deals with, for example, the credibility of the accusers.

And we're not going to let that out because we don't want anybody to attack the credibility of accusers.

God forbid.

even if there's a false accusation.

So the great fear is partial release.

It's like free speech.

The worst thing is to have free speech for me, but not for thee.

And only some people get to have free speech.

And here you have only some information that could be, that raise questions about people should be released.

But the information that proves the innocence is going to be withheld.

That's the problem.

Do you know for a fact there were tapes?

I hope so.

I was told there were tapes.

There were definitely some tapes.

The question is what the tapes were of.

We know, it's a matter of record, that there was somebody who worked for him who stole things.

And so the police in Palm Beach installed tapes to try to catch the robber.

Now, whether they installed them in bedrooms as well as in living areas, I don't know the answer to that question.

I hope there were tapes with every single second.

And let's remember among who were accused, and not only was I falsely accused, but

the former majority leader of the Senate,

Mitchell, he was accused of having sex.

And by the way, they were all accused of having unprotected sex with somebody who allegedly had sex with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people.

Can you imagine any reasonable person having unprotected sex?

So it was Mitchell, it was Senator Richardson who was accused.

The Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Barak, was accused.

Andrew David Copperfield, Leonardo DiCaprio, Al Gore, Richard Branson, Stephen Hawking, which that one I believe, Michael Jackson.

They had a story of me

and this man in a wheelchair together attending an orgy.

I mean, I just imagine the idea of me trying to jump over the wheelchair to get at some young you know,

some of it is the most bizarre, preposterous thing.

And

some of the allegations themselves,

prove questions about the credibility.

But the important point is all

should come out.

Everything.

There shouldn't be anything withheld.

Right now, the courts are withholding certain of the incident information because they don't want information out there that could cast doubts on the credibility of the accusers.

And that's just not fair.

If you're going to accuse, you have to have everything out there.

You can't have it selective.

I have to tell you, I am for radical transparency.

I'm concerned about witch hunts, but I am for radical transparency because these names held in secret and having some things held in secret, not everything out, it just provides the opportunity for blackmail and everything else.

It's too much information for any one agency or any government or anybody to hold and have over the heads of people.

Because when you don't know what's in there and you don't know, you know, there might be exonerating things for you in this information, but they can hold it back.

That's really, really dangerous.

That's terrible.

Look, I was subject to blackmail.

As a result of all this, I was canceled as a speaker at the 92nd Street Y, canceled as a speaker at Temple Emmanuel in New York, the largest reformed temple in the United States,

canceled all over the country as a speaker,

canceled basically by the New York Times,

just as a result of an accusation which has now been

legally withdrawn and the woman admitted that you know she may have confused me with somebody else.

But just as a result of the accusation,

that's why I wrote a book called Guilt by Accusation.

Now, I don't stand by everything in the book because a lot of things have changed since that book was published seven or eight years ago.

But again, who would publish a book laying it all out if they had anything to hide?

I have nothing to hide about my sex life.

And you talk about perfect attendance.

Use the word perfect in terms of attendance.

You would say I had perfect attendance.

I've had a perfect sex life in the sense that since the day I met Jeffrey Epstein, I never, ever, ever violated any vows or did anything improper.

And anybody who knows me knows that.

And yet half the world believes that I was guilty of the charges, even though they've been essentially

the woman admitted she may have confused me with somebody else.

Alan, I know I'm going to

get heat from some members of this audience for having you on because I do every time because they're like, they're convinced.

And I'm like, well, you know what?

A court wasn't convinced.

She took

her accusations back.

And he's been straight up, I think, with all of us.

And I don't think that there's...

You know what else happened?

People don't forget this.

Four or five days after I was accused, I wrote an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal inviting, inviting the FBI to investigate me.

Yeah.

Saying I will have no privileges.

I will answer every question.

I will produce every document.

Have you ever heard of a guilty person asking for an investigation by the FBI?

And I was upset the FBI didn't investigate me because if they did, obviously they would have concluded, as now, I think any reasonable person concluded that I was

either the victim of a false identification, the woman admitted she may have confused me with somebody else, or a deliberate plot.

I've been subject to blackmail.

I've said to every blackmailer, produce it.

Of course, I'm not paying you a nickel.

I never paid a nickel to any, and I never would pay a nickel to anybody who falsely accused me.

That's the wrong tactic to take always.

Alan Dershowitz, host of the Dersh show, and you can follow him at dirsch.substack.com or on Twitter at Alan Dirsch.

Alan, thank you very much.

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picture on this

because he just wants it to come out because it'll exonerate him, he feels, with everybody who is still kind of hanging on to that.

So I didn't think we got a really witch hunt kind of thing.

But I'm concerned a little bit listening to him because obviously

he

keeps all these records.

Not everybody does that.

No, right?

You know, who knows who's going to be lumped into this thing.

That being said, the crimes are so horrific that the people who are guilty, we really do need to figure out who they are and they need to be punished.

You should see.

Have you seen the list?

I mean, I have just a partial list

that has come out, and like everybody's on it.

Right.

Like, and what does that mean?

I don't know.

I don't know.

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So

last Wednesday, the first batch of court files that included the names of victims and friends and associates of Jeffrey Epstein

was released.

And boy, oh boy, is it a list.

And it doesn't mean that these are people that, you know, were having sex with underage kids, but they were

part of the investigation one way or the other.

Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, which Donald Trump was friends with Epstein or was, you know, his business friend, I guess, for a while, but cut that off when?

In the early 2000s, right?

I think?

2008?

I don't remember the date, but it was before anything was public.

Yeah, and he cut that off because Epstein was harassing one of the women that was working with Donald Trump, I think, at Mar-a-Lago.

Hillary Clinton's on the list.

David Copperfield,

Alan Dershowitz, Leonardo DiCaprio, Al Gore, Richard Branson, Stephen Hawking, Ehud Barak, Michael Jackson, Kevin Spacey.

Now, here's another one, Kevin Spacey.

I don't think he's, I think he's a dirtbag, but

didn't he win all of his cases?

Yeah, he hasn't been convicted of anything, and I think he won all of his legal challenges, I believe, or at least they were thrown out.

So I know he's been trying to kind of make a comeback relatively recently.

I don't know how that's going, but it's a tough, tough road.

And that's the issue here.

Not everybody keeps the records of Alan Dershowitz.

Frankly,

the crimes are so egregious that

whatever.

You have to look into this.

But I do think that there will be people who wind up getting, you know, because look, we all know this, we know how this works.

When you have a lot of money, like Jeffrey Epstein did, and you go and you throw it around and you get a couple of powerful friends, you wind up then getting access to all sorts of things.

A lot of people who are in these circles say, oh, well, he just, I just saw him at a party with this guy that I know who's really rich and powerful.

And therefore, I guess he's okay.

And, you know, look, a lot of that stuff happens.

I think after, it's really, to me, strange, and there's a lot of people on the list who fit this description.

Once he was like convicted

of

this and went to quote-unquote jail, which wasn't really a jail for him.

It was kind of like more like an office he had to show up to every day.

But like once this all came out about what he was doing, anybody who's after that is like, well, what are you getting involved with this guy then?

At that point, it should be darn clear who this guy was.

At the beginning,

he's

a great guy.

That's what

he was saying, like, hey, Bill.

Hey,

you might want to stay away from him.

And apparently, that's one of the things that broke them up is Bill Gates was like, no.

Right.

We've got important business we do.

Yeah.

And there's, frankly, even another layer of this, which very well might be, because, you know, you go back to the early days of him.

Nepstein was known as like a playboy with

of-age women, right?

Like, and so there are plenty of rich, powerful people who want to hang out with of-age attractive women and have ridiculous parties with them

and

don't qualify for the later stage stuff that Nepstein was into.

Robert F.

Kennedy Jr.

R.

Kennedy Jr.

is on this list, right?

And we know, I mean, he's an admitted dirtbag.

Yes.

He wrote about it in his diary.

Yeah.

And he has had as bad a record with women as anyone you know.

Yeah, but women, not girls.

As far as we know.

As far as we know, not girls.

Women, right?

There's no reason, I have no reason to believe that he has ever had any incidents at all with underage women.

I don't think there's even an accusation of that, though he's on this list.

Yeah.

Tom Pritzker.

Pritzker is on this.

Who?

Tom Pritzker.

Tom Pritzker.

Yeah.

Chris Tucker, Noam Chomsky.

It's like a list of all famous people from this era.

I know.

Cameron Diaz, Bianca Jagger, Bruce Willis, Heidi Klum.

Like, again,

should we be thinking Heidi Klum was having sex with underage girls?

No, I think that's unlikely.

I think these kinds of names are more likely the kinds of names that you would invite to give yourself credibility.

Oh, I was just with Heidi Klum the other day Klum the other day.

I was just with Kate Blanchette having dinner with Bianca Jagger and Cameron Diaz.

And you'd be like, oh, well, I guess it's okay.

And like, I know, it could be more than this.

Who knows?

It's free.

And Hollywood names, you never know what the heck they're involved in.

But like, these circles are these circles.

You know, these parties are built around

big celebrities, athletes, things like that that get invited to these parties at the same parties where there's just high-powered executives who think it's cool to hang out with them.

And so there's a lot of cross-pollination here.

And we just have to be, we have to just be aware going in.

I think most people on this list, it's going to be clear.

Heidi Klum, I don't think is in any danger of having these accusations against her and then building up to things.

People like RFK Jr.,

especially now with his association with Trump, will likely be targeted in a serious way.

And they'll try to make a case that he did horrible, horrible things.

Now, he has done horrible things, just not to that level, as far as I know.

A lot of these people on this list are going to have to deal with stuff that, you know, unlike an Alan Dershowitz, who may have the, you know, meticulous records going back to the 60s, you know, I mean, that's not everybody.

Would you be willing to give

what's her name?

His assistant

Maxwell, Giselle Maxwell.

Giselle or Giselle.

Jelene.

Jillene.

Yeah, whatever.

Whatever her name is.

We all know who it is.

Would you be willing to give her

immunity if she turned testimony?

I know.

It's really hard.

No, she was involved.

Oh, yes, we know, again, allegedly.

Very involved in this stuff.

And we're talking about, you know,

a bunch of children being molested and sexually assaulted.

But I can't, I can't.

So, the one person, she's been in jail since 2021.

And so she's paying for it because she was convicted of sex trafficking.

And I have no sympathy for sex traffickers,

but

the people who

hire

for little children,

they're just as bad.

And if this one person could put a whole slew of people behind bars, I might consider it.

I mean, the allegations, again, allegations, but I mean, she's in prison

against her are like she was convincing these young girls to come to the house.

She's not a good person.

This is not a fringy.

Oh, well, she was one of the drivers, and she did see this.

I don't know.

Did you see the movie Tetris?

Yes.

That's the

kind of creation of the game, how it came to the American market.

Yeah.

You know, the rich guy in

England and his son?

Oh, yeah.

That's that's her dad.

That's her dad.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Her dad was a billionaire, right?

And a really bad guy.

But really bad guy.

Built on a house of cards, and it all fell apart.

He died, died, right?

I mean, she's had a

bad life.

Again, she's had a life

which would make an incredibly disturbing, but an incredible movie.

I mean, she really has.

But I don't know.

I mean,

maybe you could say, well, you're in a better prison cell.

Like, I don't know what the, maybe there's a, uh, a, some sort of concession you can make as a so that's associated with it.

But, like, I'm not, I'm sorry.

I'm not giving immunity to somebody who did that.

I, I, I have a real problem with that.

So would you give immunity?

Because I, I would think if you're in Washington, D.C.

right now,

you might be thinking to yourself, gee, they're going to come and get me.

I might try to become a whistleblower.

If I'm a bad guy, I might try to become a whistleblower and hope for immunity if I turn some big names in.

Yeah, if you had evidence.

Yeah.

Yeah, maybe.

Maybe you try.

I mean, that's.

There has to be a few people in Washington that had the evidence, had known what was going on and just just like, just as a safety, I'm going to keep this in a safety deposit box.

You'd think that that's out there.

Yeah.

And if this stuff all comes out,

you know, again, we don't know what it is.

So it's hard.

We're all just speculating here.

Maybe there is incredible evidence in here and we can really point to, maybe there's 10% of that list that is really provable by this information.

And if so, I want to know why it was held so long.

But,

you know, also it could just be the stuff that we already have.

And just, you know, and then I think we're in a position where just like we were all very sensitive at the time about the Me Too accusations where everyone, every name was getting thrown out there.

And a lot of these people denied, I mean, Trump is absolutely a victim of this, right?

Like he has

been accused by a ton of women for all sorts of terrible things.

And we all, I think,

look at it fairly and say, okay, he's the president of the United States.

He's being targeted likely for political reasons.

But if there's evidence out there, all of us, everybody in this audience would want Trump in prison.

Yes.

If he actually did the stuff he was accused of, I would want him in prison.

I don't care if he's on quote unquote my side.

He's not on my side if he was doing that stuff.

And so I just don't think he was doing that stuff.

And I have not seen any evidence that he was doing that stuff.

That's believable in any way.

But

you have to have to

look at it that way.

We still have to maintain the innocent until proven guilty standard, right, Glenn?

We do.

We do.

That has to be a part of this.

Even though I think a lot of Democrats might be caught up in it, they still get that protection.

Well,

we're going to get a press conference today where Donald Trump is going to be naming names and organizations that have just,

you know, in his view, and I believe him, built the United States of billions of dollars.

I mean, he was in a press conference yesterday or, you know, speaking to the press, and he was saying, you know, they were asking him, what do you think about, you know, USAID and all the good that they do?

And he's like, look, we're talking billions of dollars that have just been taken from the American people and used for all sorts of crazy things.

He said, tomorrow I'm going to name names.

I'm going to show you what people were doing with your money.

And he said, Pam Bondi is already on it.

He said, there's no way, I believe, there's no way this money

was allocated to some of these NGOs and kickbacks.

didn't come back.

That's why you're also hearing, and I love this, Elon Musk saying, we've got to investigate every member of Congress that's been making $200,000 a year.

They got into Congress and they were maybe, you know, worth $40,

you know, $40,000 or even $1 million and now they're worth $200 million.

What did you do to make that money?

And I think we know some of it.

It's insider trading.

But for some reason,

what's illegal for you to do, they can do legally.

That's got to stop.

But I think there's also, there's going to, you're going to see it.

You know how USAID was giving money to the Tides Foundation?

You know that?

Next Wednesday, we're doing a special.

We're going to show you some names and things and connections that you haven't seen yet.

We've been working on it for a few weeks.

Money went to the, from our tax dollars, went from the U.S.

government to the Tides Foundation.

And the Tides Foundation is really, in my opinion, it's a money laundering situation.

It's just you can give anonymously and then it goes into this big pool of money and you can't trace it past there because it's a left-wing organization that you can give to and you can say, oh, no, I was trying to feed the children in Africa when actually wink, wink, nod, nod, I want this to go to stop Donald Trump or whatever the cause is,

and nobody can trace it to you.

Why is the government giving money to the George Soros Open Society Fund?

What?

Why would we be giving money to George Soros?

Why would we be giving money to

the

Tides Foundation?

Can you imagine the outrage if government money was going to the NRA?

I mean, I'd be upset about that.

Wait, wait, hold it just a second.

My tax dollars are going to support this group?

No.

No.

That's nowhere in the Constitution can that be done.

I think we're in for

a few real eye-opening days, and today might be another one.

By the way, the Senate is voting to confirm JFK

as HHS secretary.

Yeah, RFK Jr.

Well, nobody thought that RFK.

Thank you, Sarah.

Bobby Kennedy's going to be head of HHS?

That's weird.

How did that happen?

Yeah, I know.

RFK Jr.

I thought you said JFK.

Oh, did I say JFK?

Oh, okay.

Well,

you're stupid anyway.

Well, JFK Jr.

It's not my fault.

Maybe it's JFK Jr.

No, he won't be there.

He won't be there either.

So there's only really one FK

that could be, that could be it, really, that's left, and that would be RFK Jr.

Thank you.

They're looking to confirm him.

Who else is in their last round?

Cash Patel is in their last round of hearings today.

There's somebody else that was in a hearing earlier today.

Do you know who that was, Sarah?

No, Tulsi was confirmed yesterday.

But they're in their last

round.

And it's interesting to me that the one they really want to stop is Cash Patel.

They really wanted to stop Tulsi, intelligence, and then the guy who's the enforcement arm with the FBI, they got to stop him.

It's interesting what's making them squeal, isn't it?

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You know, the one thing that I learned when I

became active in faith.

I think I always had faith,

but I didn't really do anything about it.

And then I became became active and I made it the center of my life.

And my life shockingly became so much easier.

And I really thought it would be the opposite.

There are so many rules.

I got to do this, I got to do that.

But it makes your life so easy.

Ross Douthed, he has just written a book called Believe Why Everyone Should Be Religious.

He kind of...

takes on the topic of living without faith is really harder than

living with it.

And he's absolutely right.

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Ross, welcome to the program.

How are you?

I'm great, Glenn.

Thanks so much for having me.

You bet.

I find your

your book and your premise here to be

so true, just right off the bat, that it is easier to live with faith than to live without it.

And

when you really start to question and engage your mind on faith,

you have to reject so much science, I think, and common sense if you dismiss God.

Yeah, obviously, I think that's right.

I think we're in a moment right now in our culture

where it's kind of an inflection point.

It's interesting.

We've lived through about 20 or 25 years where religion has been in decline.

People have been leaving churches.

There's been scandal, sex abuse, politics, all of these things.

And right now, it seems to me that you've got a kind of a reconsideration where a lot of people, especially younger people, are taking a new look at religion or are sort of interested in it again.

But there's this hurdle that it gets to what you're saying, Glenn, that people feel like they need to get over, where people are like, well, it'd be nice to be religious, but I feel like I have to leave my reason at the door.

I have to, you know, leave science behind.

I have to take this leap into the dark.

And a big part of what I'm doing in this book is saying, no, in fact, that's not true.

In fact, the world, the universe, the human place in the cosmos actually makes much more sense under religious premises than it does if you start out with the assumption that it's all random, accidental, and so on.

And in fact, most of what science has suggested, physics especially in the last 50 or 100 years, is that we are in fact here for a reason.

The universe is, in fact, made and not accidental.

And that, I think, should lay a stronger foundation for people who are, you know, who would like to believe.

Right.

But struggle to get across the threshold.

It's amazing to me because I think if God exists, which I believe he does, he has to be the greatest scientist because he created all this.

And the math on the universe is exact and universal.

It just doesn't seem to be something that could randomly just appear because it is so incredibly exact.

I don't know if you've ever heard Thomas Jefferson's quote.

He was writing his nephew, Peter Carr,

and he said, you know, explaining different things.

And he said, when it comes to religion, above all things, fix reason firmly in her seat, because if there is a God, he must surely rather honest questioning over blindfolded fear.

And

that changed my life.

You know,

you should be asking these hard questions

because you can find a lot of the answers, a lot you're never going to know.

But science plays a real role in the discovery of God.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And there's, I mean, one, and one thing that has shifted in the last few generations is it was always the case, I think, that science suggested that the universe was made by someone with, let's say, a very mathematical mind, right?

That, you know, and just the fact that human beings in our limited reason could understand these universal laws and figure out how calculus works, figure out theoretical physics, all of these things, all of those things I think already pointed towards some kind of divine architect.

But then you get into

just the fascinating reality that we've only recently figured out, which is that all of these values that sort of keep the universe together, the cosmological constant, the strong nuclear force, these sort of very particular aspects of physics are set in these really precise ways that if, and we're talking not like one in 100, we're talking, you know, one, you know, one in 100 billion to produce

stars, planets, life itself.

And if you tweak those in one direction or another in just a tiny way, you would have an empty, dead cosmos, a cosmos that flies apart, a cosmos that collapses in on itself.

And our universe really is in this kind of Goldilocks jackpot zone for making us possible.

And what's fascinating is that even atheistic, non-believing scientists basically acknowledge this, and they've sort of taken refuge in the idea of, you know, the multiverse, right?

Like one reason that every superhero movie now has this idea of the multiverse is it's actually become really important for the atheists to believe, well,

we can't, we seem special, but in fact, there must be, you know, a gazillion other universes we can't see.

And the motto of modern atheism is basically better a gazillion universes we can't see than one God.

That's sort of where atheism has ended up.

Aaron Powell, so how would you deal with quantum physics or

quantum computing even?

How do you deal with that?

Go ahead.

Well, the quantum revolution is also, that's another really fascinating case, right?

Where quantum physics is sort of the place where our reason, our ability to fully understand the world, hits a kind of limit, at least so far, right?

You end up with these really weird things where, you know, something, is something a wave or a particle, is something there or in a different place.

It all, you know, depending on, it all depends on observation.

Observation.

Right.

Like, like whether, you know,

basically to really oversimplify, it seems like at the at the deepest level of reality, there's a kind of possibility that only collapses into reality when we ourselves are looking at it and measuring it and studying it.

It gives the quote, you know, or the old saying, you know, if a tree falls in the woods and nobody's there to hear it, did it actually happen?

It actually gives teeth to that in a way.

Right.

Quantum physics said maybe it did or maybe it didn't.

It depends on whether we were there to see it.

But

the implication of that is in fact a religious implication because it says, look, mind actually precedes matter, right?

And the human mind participates every time you're looking around at the world.

We are in a bizarre but fascinating way participating in the literal creation or an existence of the world.

And obviously this has implications for creation itself, right?

Because there was a very long period of

cosmological history where human beings weren't around.

as observers.

But the religious perspective has always been that it's the mind of God that

holds reality together in total, right?

And that, I think, is something that is deeply consonant with what quantum physics has figured out about how our own minds relate to reality.

We are, in fact, made in the image of God in the sense that we, like God, participate in taking possibilities and turning them into physical realities, which it sort of blows your mind.

But it is, in fact, like the most, I think, the most plausible interpretation of what quantum physics suggests.

Aaron Powell, fascinating.

Give me your explanation on why you think that it is easier to live life with than without faith.

Well, I mean, there's two levels, right?

Like, there's a sort of practical case for religion that a lot of people who aren't deeply religious can still get behind, right?

Which is to say, you know, it's good to have a sense of meaning and purpose, a sense of your own cosmic significance.

And I think, you know, a lot of one reason among many that you see a lot of depression and anxiety and even suicidality among younger people these days is that they're the first generation in American history where large numbers of them have been raised, you know, not even with like a weak form of faith, but with no exposure to religion.

at all, no basic Sunday school, you know, nothing, nothing like that, right?

And there's a way in which religious belief just offers you you a basic grounding in your own life.

You have a place.

You're here for a reason.

It's not an accident.

Human civilization is not just like a candle that's about to be snuffed out by climate change or something.

And then related to that, there's

faith as a form of community.

There's solidarity.

There's support.

All of the kind of things that Alexis de Tocqueville wrote about in American Life, right?

The role that religious institutions play in building social capital.

All of that is real.

So that's step one.

But in the book, I'm trying to push a little bit beyond that because I think I have a lot of readers.

I write for the New York Times, obviously has a fairly secular readership.

I have a lot of readers who, yeah, it's an understatement.

It's fine.

But a lot of religious readers as well, I can assure you.

But there's a lot of people who will go that far with you.

They'll say, yeah, religion.

It's good for you.

It's good for you to, it's good to take your kids to church, gives them a moral grounding.

It's good to, you know, have some faith and purpose in the universe but in the end isn't it still kind of unreasonable and the case I'm making in the book is no in fact the practical benefits of religion are there

because

religion is in fact a better description of reality than secularism and atheism and in fact you know there's a line attributed to the scientist John von Neumann, right?

He said something like,

this is actually something he supposedly said to his mother.

So there's some debate about whether he said it or not.

But the line goes, you know, there probably is a God.

A lot of things make a lot more sense if there is one.

And that's what I'm trying to persuade people of here, that in fact, it's not just that religion is good for you in an immediate day-to-day sense.

It's that it's good for you because

There probably is a God.

You're probably going to meet him when you die.

You probably should be organizing your life to some degree around that reality.

And that is, in fact, the reasonable thing for people to do.

But wait, but wait.

That's like I've always joked.

You know, if I'm an atheist, I'm just going to hedge my bet a little bit.

You know what I mean?

Right.

I'm going to live my life in a self-wager.

Yeah, just in case.

Right.

So

that's, but that's not what you're saying, is it?

Well, I am saying, so there's a kind of debt bet hedging where you're like, okay, you know, maybe there's a one in a thousand chance that there's a God.

And if there is that chance, I should pay attention to it because, you know, even a one in a thousand chance of entering eternity is a pretty big deal.

No, I'm going much further than that.

I'm saying there's a very, very strong probability that there is a God.

And that strong probability is the starting place for going out there, going to church, reading books, praying, and seeing if you can have a relationship with this God.

So in the end, look, you can't think your way to a relationship with God because it's a relationship.

But you can think and reason your way to the point where you can say, this is something I should be looking for.

This is something I should be doing.

It makes sense to seek, to knock, and see if the door is opened unto you.

All right.

I've got a couple of questions left, but

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So in the book, you talk about being at a Christmas party in the mid-2000s,

and you found yourself trapped in a kitchen with Christopher Hitchens.

And you tell an interesting story here that is kind of the

the genesis, if you will, of what you were putting together in the book.

But I don't know.

I want to ask you to tell that story, but I also want you to answer, and they may be related.

That's why I'm asking it this way.

How do you say that to somebody who doesn't believe there is a God or is completely agnostic that, no, no, no, there's a very, very, very good chance that there is God?

Right.

So what Hitchens, who is, of course, one of the most famous atheists in the world at that point,

said to me was something like, you know, suppose, he was, you know, there's a bad English accent, I apologize, right?

But

suppose it was established that Jesus of Nazareth really did rise from the dead.

What would that really prove?

Right.

And so that was, I was a little taken aback.

It was late.

I didn't have a great response at the time.

That's right.

And it's a Christmas party.

So I mean, I think what that...

What that gets at, though, is this.

You have people who

will sort of go a little ways with the religious argument they'll say okay yeah you know it's it's interesting that the universe seems to have this you know this kind of design that's that's interesting oh you know human consciousness is a little bit mysterious but they'll say look you can it can't add up to anything in the end or it's it's all you know even if like some weird thing happened some you know something that seems supernatural somewhere right you know that that doesn't tell you what you should do with your own life.

And that's, I think, in a way a fair argument.

But the response is basically that the reason to be religious doesn't lie in one single argument.

It's not like you open Thomas Aquinas, you find

one philosophical case for the existence of God.

You set that down and you say, all right, it's set, it's done, you've got to be religious.

No, what it lies in is the convergence of a bunch of different lines of evidence.

You start with the evidence that the universe was designed and fine-tuned with us in mind.

Okay, that's pretty interesting.

Then you add the evidence that our consciousness has its own kind of supernatural capacities.

We were talking about quantum physics earlier, the relationship between mind and matter there, but there's also just the fact that the mind can do things that a purely material sort of

thing shouldn't be able to do, like penetrate the mysteries of the cosmos.

Okay, so the universe seems designed with us in mind.

Our minds seem designed to understand the universe.

And then, and this is important, and this is also where some secular people get off the bus, but it's important to make the argument.

You also have religious experience as a fundamental feature of human life that just doesn't go away if you declare the world to be secular, right?

There's this whole idea that the world is disenchanted, that we used to have fairies and ghosts and all these things, and now we're men of science and we don't.

That's just not true at all.

Official knowledge is disenchanted.

Like if you go and read Wikipedia, you know, most of the people writing Wikipedia don't believe in the supernatural.

But you and I both know, Glenn, that people who go out looking for an encounter with God often have an encounter with God.

And in fact, people who aren't looking for one also have crazy, bizarre, fascinating things happen to them.

And there are supernatural things like near-death experiences that we know more about because of modern science.

We bring a lot more people back from the dead than we used to that we didn't know about in 1750 or 1450.

And to me, the addition of supernatural experience, it takes you from a world where you can say,

there's probably a God, but he might be distant and out of reach, to a

world where it's not.

I'm sorry to cut you off.

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Most Americans have been aware that Anthony Fauci, since the COVID pandemic really took off in 2020, we realized who he was.

But Dr.

Richard Enbright,

he's a molecular biologist from Rutgers University.

He has had Fauci on his radar since 2001.

Do you remember the

anthrax scare?

Dick Cheney stepped in at that point and said, We need

to

find

all of the different biological weapons that could be used,

and we need to start funding biodefense.

Now, it was at that time solely in the realm of the Department of Defense.

Was the Department of Defense doing it?

Probably, but it had been banned.

In 2001, after the anthrax, all of a sudden, Dick Cheney goes to Anthony Fauci and he says, I want you to run this program and you will oversee all of it.

And you can do what you want.

And Fauci said, gain a function.

And Cheney said, yep, okay, good.

That sounds great.

But Fauci was put

allowed, I should say, to be in a black box.

And the anthrax actually came from a government laboratory and a

and an employee that had an axe to grind.

Did you even know that?

It's been a long time.

It's been a long time.

I don't remember the details of it.

Yeah.

So

that was caused by the government doing experiments on anthrax.

And we have several of these.

I think it's a swine flu.

The bird flu that's going around right now, also lab leaks.

And it's just embarrassment after embarrassment, and Fauci keeps getting away with it.

The Spanish flu, do you remember when they brought the Spanish flu back?

It was completely dead.

There was no Spanish flu.

We dug people up to get samples so we could recreate the Spanish flu.

Why would we do that?

So, Matt Kibbe and Richard Ebright, who is this fascinating professor, he has been following Fauci the whole time.

He's been trying to demand an end to the dark research and the corruption and the fraud of Anthony Fauci.

He tells the whole story of the smoking gun.

This came from a lab, gang, and we knew it.

We knew it.

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she just just doesn't, she watches the show.

She listens to my show.

She'll listen to the news, but she doesn't live it like I do.

And

she was really tired and I had to go to bed and I had to watch this like three weeks ago just so I was aware of everything.

So I put it on

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And all of a sudden, I feel her head on my shoulder and she's rolled over, and she's got her head on my shoulder, and she's watching it.

And she keeps saying, Oh my gosh,

oh my gosh, you've got to be kidding me.

What?

And there's a lot of places in this documentary that I said that.

A lot of this stuff was very, very satisfying because it is now final confirmation of all of the things that we exposed about COVID-19.

But it's worse than we

It is a God complex and this has got to stop, got to stop.

So make sure you watch it.

It premieres tonight on Blaze TV.

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Can we play the trailer real quick?

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It is inconceivable that I was trying to cover up.

the possibility of a lab bleed.

President Biden has pardoned Anthony Fauci.

The gain of function research was going on in that lab and NIH funded it.

You do not know what you are talking about.

Why did Biden give Fauci

a blank check going back to 2014?

There was pushback on Anthony Fauci, who had been a much-respected figure.

The highest paid employee in the federal government.

Why, they asked NIA director Dr.

Fauci, why again are you funding such research?

And why are you doing it without a risk-benefit assessment?

In October of 2014, the NIH sent letters, cease and desist letters, to the research organizations carrying out this project saying that research should be paused.

But it existed primarily on paper.

CDC workers somehow lost track of samples.

Leaking box, vials labeled smallpox.

The dangerous H5N1.

One of history's most feared viruses.

Recreate the Spanish flu.

The families go deeper, cross-contaminated samples, and sent to sound.

Workers in three labs handled one of the most deadly strains of anthrax.

Participated in a a conspiracy to defraud the public about the origin, in a conspiracy to cover up the origin.

Each time Fauci's response had been to double down and say he did the right thing.

The cover-up airs tonight.

It begins.

You can stream it anytime you want.

Looks really good.

Yeah, it's really, really good.

You haven't seen it yet?

No.

It's really good.

Really good.

By the way, the anthrax guy was looking at

the details on that because you were reminding me.

And they go through

what's the official explanation?

Because I remember it being really close to 9-11 and thinking it was part of that.

And they say basically, no, it wasn't.

It wasn't.

But one of the main things they say, the doctor who wound up killing himself in 2008,

why he sent the anthrax,

he had a history of mental health problems, including symptoms of paranoia, obsessive actions, and bipolar disorder.

Maybe not the guy to hire to deal with the anthrax.

I don't know.

I just got to throw that out there.

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I know.

Pete Buttigieg would be very upsetting.

That's exactly right.

Because you didn't hire any paranoid, bipolar obsessives to deal with.

What you understand about this is any time that these things have escaped a lab, it's because of a disgruntled, crazy person or sloppiness by somebody at the lab.

So

when you have...

These things should be at the highest level security because there's no cure for some of this stuff.

Highest level of security.

And there should be maybe one or two labs because you can control those and the world can watch and make sure everything is handled right.

But every time one of these things has happened, it's escaped

because somebody was like the, was it the bird flu?

I can't remember.

They were working on

one of these things and somebody wanted to go home early.

You know, it was like coming up at five o'clock and they're like, I got to get home.

I want to leave.

And they got sloppy

and

it got out because they were sloppy.

The more,

the more of these labs we have around the world, the more likely it is we wipe ourselves out.

Okay.

And we had these in Ukraine.

Ukraine.

I don't know

if they still exist.

I don't know what was in them.

I've heard that we just took blowtorches to those places to destroy all the evidence, but also to hopefully kill all the bacteria.

But

that's not a good place to have this stuff.

What are we doing?

Even before the war.

Oh, yeah, I know.

I know.

Pretty clear that Ukraine was in

the side eye of Russia there for a while.

Did you hear about the relative of JD Vance, distant relative, but she's 12 years old.

She had to have a heart transplant,

and Cincinnati Children's Hospital wouldn't give her the heart transplant because she hadn't had the COVID vaccine.

And the parents are like, no,

we don't believe in the vaccine.

We don't want the vaccine.

So they took her off the list of a heart transplant, 12-year-old girl.

I don't know if anybody, even maybe the family knew they were directly related to J.D.

Vance, but this is going to turn into a nightmare for this hospital, as it should.

Yeah, that's not a good reason for it.

It has nothing to do with J.D.

Vance.

It's a terrible reason reason to do that.

I mean, I understand if you're an active alcoholic and you need a kidney transplant.

No, I don't think we're going to give you a good kidney.

You know, you just blew through yours.

You'll be back here in two weeks needing a new one.

Yeah, you'll need a new one.

So, no, you have to do things to change your life, but the COVID vaccine?

Yeah, it's horrible.

Well, and this is something that our new HHS secretary, RFK Jr., who's just confirmed, by the way.

Just confirmed.

Yep.

He will be, I think, have a laser focus on.

I won't agree with him on probably some of the stuff that he does, but I will be very much behind him on efforts like that.

Certainly shouldn't be taking children off of heart transplant lists because they didn't get the COVID vaccine, which, again, there's no evidence that they would need it.

Yeah, I know.

I have to, I really am anxious for you to watch this because I don't think you've ever thought Fauci was a good guy, but I don't know if you ever thought that he was really, really dark and nefarious.

Yeah, I mean, I don't like a lot of the stuff that he did.

I think he quite clearly was lying about all of this.

So, I mean, I think nefarious is a fair description as to how he handled this situation.

I don't know that I think of him as like the, you know, the

source of all genocide, as some, some, some do.

I think you will.

Many

do.

When you watch this, when you see there is no medical reason for us to be doing these things.

I mean,

I don't know that I agree with that.

No, because we're not making vaccines.

We are making disease.

This is the thing that Russia used to do, the Soviet Union used to do.

Remember Ken Alba, what was his name?

Albek Albeck?

He was the head of the Russian

Soviet biological warfare.

And he said the difference between America and the Soviet Union is we were making disease worse.

And we were trying to make it kill more people and be more, you know, the transmission, human-to-human transmission, to be, you know, as close to 100 as we could get.

He said, but America, they only worked on diseases to try to find the antidote in case it was used.

We're not doing that.

Yeah, no, and I think, because I think gain of function research is theoretically justifiable.

Watch this, documentation.

But,

but, it's not pragmatically justifiable.

Like, in theory, I can understand why you'd want to see what the worst nature has to offer is.

And we should really look at that because that could happen and we better have something to fight back against it.

I can understand that line of thought, especially from someone who's going to see the worst that nature can give.

But then we should not take that and soup it up to make it transmissible.

in humans.

In theory, again, in theory.

Yeah.

I can understand because those things do happen naturally sometimes.

Yeah, yeah.

And so to try to get ahead of that and plan for it is theoretically, again, important phrase, justifiable.

And it's justifiable specifically if you're Fauci and you think you are science.

Yes.

You think you could control this.

Oh, no, I know these doctors.

I know these labs.

And in theory, you could see how a person like that would say, of course we can control this.

We are science.

In reality, a different calculation that you have to factor in here.

But it doesn't work.

You can't do this.

There's too many leaks.

People are imperfect.

They want to go home at five o'clock.

They get sloppy.

So no, don't do it.

But in theory, it's only justifiable.

In theory, I agree with everything you just said.

In theory, it's not justifiable unless you're trying to make the antidote.

Right.

You're trying to figure out how to prepare in case this happens.

You create something that you think might happen in nature.

Okay, let's see if it can infect humans or human human mice.

Now,

let's make the antidote to kill that.

So in case it ever does happen, but we're not doing that.

I gotta watch that.

So what is the justification of what Fauci and the NIH and everybody else has been doing?

What's the justification?

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confirmed.

That means who was the Republican against?

All the Democrats plus McConnell.

Same as Tulsi yesterday, which I think is actually vitally important.

Something really important you can take out of that, which is McConnell doesn't have a contingency anymore.

Like he was, when he was leader, he had really close friends that would go with him kind of on everything.

And he now no longer has that contingency.

He couldn't get one other senator to come with him on either of those votes.

That's really notable.

Yeah.

His power is over, which means the

regime

or the what else would you

establishment is now with Trump.

Yes.

And that's, and I, and I think.

Not everlasting.

Yeah, that's not everlasting.

That's what it is.

It's happening right now.

The first sign of

trouble on the horizon for Donald Trump, you know, a bad skip in the economy or something else, all that, all those people will regather

and be against Trump.

But right now, he's the establishment.

Right now, he's getting, nobody's really standing in his way, at least

in a vocal

way, a public way,

except Mitch McConnell.

And no one is standing with McConnell.

That's really good news.

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