Elon Musk Is Not a Threat to Democracy; He's a Threat to Bureaucracy | Guests: Rep. Anna Paulina Luna & Lindy Li | 2/12/25

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Mark Mitchell from Rasmussen Reports tweeted out something that I think is very telling.

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That might tip you off on why are they trying to stop Elon Musk?

We're going to talk to somebody who's, you know, because people in the Democratic Party are turning on the party and are starting to tell tales of what it's like or what it was like inside the party.

One of these people is a former fundraiser.

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I mean, you know, they raised a billion dollars,

and it looked like a lot of it was wasted.

Where did that money go?

I don't know.

But there's somebody that has been seen on many podcasts now.

She's a former Democratic fundraiser.

She is left.

I don't know if she's still a Democrat, but she left the DNC as an insider and has become an independent thinker.

Lindy is joining us now.

Lindy Lee, welcome, Lindy.

Glenn, it's so good to be with you.

Thank you so much for having me.

Now, I'm guessing that's something you never, ever thought in your life you would say.

Good morning, Glenn.

That you mean?

Yeah, good morning, Glenn.

I've watched you from afar for much of my life, so I didn't think it would be happening this week, though.

You're certainly right.

It's been a whirlwind, and I'm no longer a Democrat.

Oh, really?

Because I just read someplace that

you haven't left the party, but you have now officially left the party.

I have left the party, absolutely.

This is not how I saw my year going, but the party left me with no choice.

I just can't abide by the woke and trans insanity, not to mention the gross mismanagement of the money that I spent worked so hard to raise.

And Glenn, I hate to correct you, but it wasn't a billion.

It was 2.5 billion because a campaign raised 1.5 billion and the super PAC Future Forward raised another billion.

So we essentially.

Where did all that money go?

Where did it go, Lindy?

To oligarchs, to celebrities, to five-star hotels.

Half a million dollars was spent on putting Kamala Harris's mug on a sphere in Las Vegas.

Obviously, that was a wise decision.

And on mega celebrity concerts, even right down the street on the steps of the Philadelphia Art Museum, how many votes do you think that garnered for her?

I would wager maybe like negative votes because people were pissed off at the traffic snarled the entire day.

And who puts the bill for that?

Taxpayers, right?

And the damage done to our community.

And she did this in so many cities.

Like, who thought that was a good idea?

Actually, I know exactly who thought that was a good idea, but it was just, these people are brain dead.

You say that you can

name who the president was.

Who was the president in the last four years?

Glenn, the thing is, there were like 10 of them because you have like Steve Roschetti and Mike Donnellin and Nita Dunn and Barack Obama orbiting around and all these people who are unelected senior advisors running the show.

It certainly wasn't Joe Biden.

He was just a figurehead signing the executive orders and not really understanding what he was signing.

And

it's just a very, very grave situation that I tried to flag flag for everybody for a number of years now.

It took me a while to get here, though.

You know, they will excoriate you, and I'm still paying the price.

I haven't, Glenn, I haven't, it's been a really hard time for me.

I haven't slept.

I didn't sleep last night.

I've been having trouble sleeping.

I'm being attacked from both the left and the right, by the way.

Somebody on the right is trying to defame me, and the left is just insane.

So it's just, it's not a, it's not easy, Glenn.

So, so, and I know that.

I mean, I have been excoriated by both sides because I'm not predictable.

I just am who I am, and sometimes I change my mind on things.

I love that about you.

Yeah, you've been outspoken literally my entire life.

And

it's difficult if you don't choose a team when your team is just, I want to be true to myself and true to what I believe is true.

For instance, you know, I really thought America was a great place, and I still believe it's a great place, but we have done really bad things.

And I don't mean in the distant past, I mean recently.

We've done some really bad things.

And we have to admit those things.

And it doesn't mean you're anti-American.

It just means I just want the truth.

Let the chips fall where they may and let the people decide the direction.

Because I think the people in America are good.

When the government detaches itself from the people, we always go wrong.

So I've lived your life before, but can you see

at all, you were somebody, I mean, who defended

all of this stuff

hard

during the campaign?

Did I have a choice?

I don't know.

No, I'm not so you know,

look at what I've lost all my so-called friends.

I've been excommunicated, not just excommunicated, but they try to discredit me, to destroy me, to defame me.

There are hit pieces out there about me.

They just cannot believe that there is someone who doesn't have skeletons in our closet.

So they invent these skeletons.

I am just honestly just a

honestly a well-behaved Asian girl.

You know, that's how I was raised.

I've been a Christian conservative all my life, and I've had to hide that aspect of me because it's not acceptable to be that when you go to a liberal university.

I went to an extremely liberal university.

I live in an extremely liberal city.

It's not acceptable to be a Republican.

So my transition and my journey to becoming who I am, it took, this is a years-long process for me.

I know.

And

so you know, Lindy, you're not walking into a hostile room.

I just, you know,

as somebody who's a fan of yours, I'm really happy and honored to be here.

I appreciate you.

I hope you sense that love coming from me.

I do.

Thank you, Lindy.

But I just, you know, we have to have honest conversations because there's a lot of people that will cloak themselves and say, I got to be on this side for a a while.

And, you know, everybody is who they are, whatever.

But I only want to be around, I have no problem being around liberals if they're reasonable and we can talk about things and we can disagree and we can live side by side forever and it's not a problem.

The problem is just exactly what you described.

A left and some parts of the right are like this as well, but not nearly like it is on the left.

They'll just destroy you.

Truth does not matter.

Absolutely.

Right.

And those people are really, really dangerous.

So

what was your turning point?

What was the last thing that you're like, okay,

I just can't do this anymore?

Well, actually, Glenn, I haven't said this publicly.

The person that I love most in the world is a Republican, and he's always been Republican.

He's from the South, and it's something that I haven't disclosed.

And I don't want to say more because it's a private individual, and he's not a public figure.

But when you love somebody, you kind of want to be aligned with them.

And because I've been protecting his identity,

people

are personal relationship.

This isn't somebody that you've been.

Oh, this is this is just a, you know, one of many factors.

This is what this my becoming who I am publicly wasn't just one, it wasn't one catalyst.

There are so many, countless.

But I'm just saying that when you love somebody, you kind of want to be on the same page as them.

It's only natural.

And I've just never, I don't want to drag them into the public square.

It's just not my place to do that.

But in terms of specific things, there's so many.

I mean, I was attacked on the streets of Philadelphia multiple times in the past year.

That's a result of the progressive DA that we have, Larry Krasner, and the George Soros-funded prosecutors that we have around the country, basically destroying our cities.

But not only that, the DNC chair

publicly

humiliated me after I raised questions.

All I did was raise questions about the campaign spending.

He called me a narcissist and accused me of taking selfies at the election night party.

That's his worst, okay?

That's their worst, the DNC chair's worst allegation against me.

That's how thin.

you know, their argument against me is.

But he could have, they all had my number, okay?

Every one of us were on a first-name basis.

He could have picked up the phone and we could have talked about the campaign spending.

Instead, he chose to, you know, indulge his far-left influencers and publicly humiliate me.

How could I possibly be a part of that team after something like that, like that happened?

And he acted like he was five years old.

He tweeted GIFs at me.

He sent me a GIF of like a flaming dumpster fire, which is supposed to exemplify me, I guess.

So

this is how the leader of the Democratic Party behaved to well-meaning criticism.

I don't want to be a part of this clown show.

So, Lindy, let's talk about the

way the Democrats are behaving now.

As I said just a minute ago,

and Bill Ackman just retweeted this, that over three times more people in D.C.

are Googling criminal defense lawyer than anywhere else in the U.S.

The Democrats are saying that, you know, Elon Musk is destroying democracy when all he's asking for is transparency.

And I think, honestly, I think that's part of the thing that when people were talking about hope and change with Barack Obama, I think that's what a lot of people thought they were going to get was transparency.

We're going to read all the bills before they're passed.

You're going to be able to see everything that we do.

When it comes to our tax dollars, the gross mismanagement, and that's putting it in the nicest possible frame, the gross mismanagement has got to stop.

And when you see what happened with $2.5 billion in the campaign,

how do you approach people like you that were on the other side

that are now standing up and saying, This Elon Musk, what's happening, is destroying democracy.

How do you talk to them?

What do you say to them?

One phrase.

Give me a break.

You're complaining that Elon Musk Musk wasn't elected and therefore has no right to help the country.

What about the team of the cabal of people around Joe Biden who wasn't elected over the past four years?

They were literally running the country on his behalf.

So don't even start with me.

That's what I would say.

But also, you know, the people in Washington, this swamp, they're so used to spending OPM, other people's money.

And so they're just addicted to that.

They have no sense of fiscal responsibility.

My family and I were naturalized immigrants, by the way.

We came to this country with very little money, 200 bucks.

We didn't take a handout from anybody.

We worked like, we worked hard as hell to get to where we are right now, to build a beautiful life, to create hundreds of jobs.

And that is mentality that Elon is kind of imposing on the federal government, you know, to make sure that line by line, every line can be justified.

That is the kind of attitude that I actually want.

Lindy, it's great talking to you.

I hope we get a chance to talk again because I know you're being accused of being a Chinese spy and your family escaped communism.

And I just would like to hear more of your point of view.

Can we even settle that right now?

Like, what do you need me to do?

Someone from the CCP killed my great-grandfather.

Right.

So.

Right, I don't.

I think the only thing that needs to be done is just that.

People just need to know, no, your family was persecuted by the Chinese communist.

It wouldn't make any sense for you to be anything.

My father is a dissident.

Are we allowed to keep curse on here?

No.

Are we allowed to curse?

We're on federal

FCC.

Let me just say that I hate the communists, the Chinese communist regime.

I hate them.

I've condemned them all my life, my entire adult life.

Five years ago, I went on Fox News and I openly condemned the communist regime.

What do you want from me?

Like, what do I need to do?

You're just looking for a way to destroy me.

Because you

don't know.

You disagree.

But I'm not going to let people get away.

Anyone who defames me, by the way, my lawyer will be reaching out.

Lindy, appreciate it.

Hope we talk again.

I know you have to run.

Thank you so much for being on with me.

Thank you so much, Glenn.

You bet.

Take care.

You bet.

Lindy Lee.

I like her.

She seems nice.

I, you know, like to go a little more in-depth with her, but my initial response is I like her.

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You know, There might be a little fear going in to having him go in to the FBI that maybe he might find some things that they might have done improperly.

And I say, good.

God bless them.

It does seem like there's a process to all these things, though, right?

10 days, is that going to be quick enough?

Are they going to want to run through everything, make sure there's no

JFK obviously is old, you know, an old story.

So So you'd think that there'd be less to worry about.

But if there is more to the Epstein thing, you'd think they'd have to make sure they're protecting sources and methods, as they always say.

Yeah, I got to tell you, I think there's more on the JFK stuff as well.

I mean,

why hasn't that been released?

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The arrogance of our government and government officials that are in these agencies is absolutely unbelievable.

Yesterday, the president fired four people from FEMA.

One of them, the chief financial officer, Mary Comens, she was fired.

Why?

Because she and the others on her team sent $59 million to luxury hotels in New York to house illegal immigration and illegal immigrants.

This is

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Okay.

So,

you know, I don't know who they think they work for.

I don't know why they don't think that an executive order applies to them, but, you know, it's the Democrats, and that's the way, you know, they have been working.

This is an out-of-control government, and it's got to come under control.

Now,

the president is now signing another order to potentially toss entire agencies out, reducing the federal workforce to essential jobs only.

Now, this is something that, you know, that's only done in an emergency.

Well, I think, you know, $34 trillion of debt is kind of an emergency.

But beyond that,

Why does our government have anybody other than essential workers?

You know what I mean?

If you're not essential,

I don't want to pay your salary.

I don't want to pay your benefits for the rest of your life.

No.

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Out.

So

he's thinning the herd all across

the government, which I think is really, really good.

It's time for some accountability and some efficiency.

Elon Musk said that we're not living in a democracy.

We're living in a bureaucracy.

When he said that,

my response was, yes.

Now, I don't know if you know who, Elon, I don't know if you know who Woodrow Wilson is, but yes.

Living under a bureaucracy.

That's the point.

Let me give you a quote.

The history of liberty is a history of resistance.

The history of liberty is a history of limitation of governmental power, not the increase of it.

Who said that?

Sounds like a guy who who understands and values freedom.

Somebody who understands the delicate balance of power between the individual and the state, right?

But the guy who said that was the 28th president of the United States, Woodrow Wilson.

Now, does that sound like somebody that we know maybe on the left that is now saying things like, we got to save democracy.

We got to save democracy.

He's killing democracy by cutting the bureaucracy.

Wilson was exactly the same kind of politician, except he was the grandfather of all of this.

He was the architect of a vision where government would no longer be confined by the rules, the outdated rules, and the chains of the Constitution.

He was the guy who...

said the Declaration of Independence needed to be cast aside because it's an outdated relic.

He was the guy that wanted you not to be governed by the laws of nature's and nature's God,

but by an elite ruling class of scientists, experts, bureaucrats.

That's what he wanted.

Isn't that what we have right now?

We're not, we don't elect the president.

You elect the president and nothing changes.

Why?

Not just because both parties are alike, but because the bureaucracy is set in stone.

It's a ruling ruling class of scientists, experts, and bureaucrats.

Wilson believed that the government was no longer the machine of our founding fathers that needed to be shackled and restrained.

He thought government should be a living organism, an evolving entity free from the so-called outdated principles of 1776.

This is where we get the Constitution as a living, breathing thing.

No, it's not.

No, that's Woodrow Wilson.

He looked at the Constitution, the greatest safeguard of liberty ever written, and didn't see it as a beacon of freedom.

He saw it as an obstacle that needed to be overcome.

He, let me paint you this picture.

Imagine you're sitting in a grand lecture hall.

It's early 1900s.

Gaslights are flickering.

And a young professor steps up to the podium.

He stands at the podium.

Everybody starts to be quiet.

It's all, you're in a crowd.

Everybody there is the future rulers of America.

And he starts in to thunderous applause with something that, I don't know, me, it would,

the back of my neck, the hair on the back of my neck would stand up.

He said, quote,

the makers of the Constitution constructed the federal government upon a theory of checks and balances, which was meant to limit the government's power and therefore its ability to govern.

This was a great mistake.

The Constitution was founded on the Newtonian theory of the universe.

But we now understand that the government is not a machine, but a living thing.

It must evolve, it must adapt, and it must be freed from its chains.

End quote.

Freed from its chains.

When I read that line,

I thought of Cloris Leachman

setting the monster free in young Frankenstein.

You're free!

You're free!

It didn't work out well.

Okay, that does, when you take something that is like fire, hello California, and just release it, it is a very bad thing.

Washington said, government is like fire.

It will be the master of you if you're not the master of it.

Are we the master of our government or is it the master

over us?

What do you think what happens

when you have a government, you free it from its chains?

Does it become a benevolent force?

Does it look out for your best interest?

Does it even know who you are, let alone answer to you?

Wilson wasn't just a professor.

He was a man on a mission to change, and this is his words, to change a man or a boy to be the most unlike his father as possible.

Isn't that what our education system is doing?

Wilson believed that we needed to move away from the messy system of self-government and have it all placed into the capable hands of an intellectual elite that he called administrative experts.

So

you can see this throughout our whole government.

Anthony Fauci, the law was that we are not supposed to do gain of function research.

We now know through all kinds of records that have been released that Anthony Fauci disagreed with that

and he made the decision that we were going to do gain of function research because it's not up to him to answer to the people.

He answers, he is the expert,

he is the administrator.

He knows better than the average person.

Even if other scientists disagree with him, he is science.

These experts that are unelected and unaccountable,

Wilson saw this.

These are the people that need to run the country, not as representatives of the people, but as scientists, technocrats, bureaucrats who know better than you do on how to live your life.

For Wilson, and now you're seeing his finished product that Trump and Elon Musk are beginning to dismantle, you are now seeing that his vision was that the American people were not individuals that were given God-given rights.

They were just parts of a collective, a mass, to be organized, to be managed, to be directed.

He viewed the old principles of liberty and self-determination.

Those are relics of an ignorant past.

Things that have to be replaced by science and numbers, cold efficiency of science and government regulation.

Now, our founders would say, that's all well and good.

We understand that let's just take you at face value and say you're honest in that.

But what you're forgetting is that men go bad with power and money.

All men can be corrupted.

So it's not that we are putting chains on the government because government is bad.

No, government is made up of the people that are in it.

And if you don't limit it,

if you allow them to gain more and more power and more and more money, it will go corrupt and it will begin to oppress you.

The founders weren't anti-government.

They were anti-out-of-control, large government, where the people were servants of that government, not the other way around.

Wilson wrote the Declaration of Independence,

the foundation of our freedoms.

He said it was outdated.

He called the principles for all practices and purposes in the Declaration meaningless.

Meaningless is his word.

The words that inspired the American Revolution, the ideas that all men are created equal, that our rights come from God, not from government,

were to Wilson irrelevant and meaningless in the modern world.

Why?

Because

you're too stupid to understand what's really going on.

You're too stupid to be able to manage the affairs of not only only the nation, but the world.

Every time we try to manage a nation or the world,

we go wrong every single time.

He didn't believe you really have a right to property, to speech, to life itself, unless the government allowed it.

If that doesn't terrify you,

Let me tell you something even darker than that.

He also believed that science, not morality, not faith, not the Constitution, but science should be the guiding force of government.

Well, we saw that with COVID, didn't we?

Follow the science.

What kind of science?

Well, just as Fauci was doing, the experiments that Fauci has been doing on animals and everything else,

it's

pre-mengela stuff.

It's really evil stuff because it has no medical purpose to it at all.

The science that Wilson was talking about was eugenics.

And that's the same kind of stuff that they just named it something else.

But it's the same kind of medicine that we're talking about now.

The kind that kills those who are unfit.

Look at what's happening in Canada.

It's the kind of politics that led to policies of forced sterilization and racial segregation, which he put into practice.

He was the guy who re-separated, re-segregated the military.

He segregated the government.

He praised the film Birth of a Nation, which glorified the Klan.

He believed in an America where government, led by an enlightened few, would decide who was fit to participate in society and who wasn't.

Does that sound like America to you at all?

Or does that sound like the birth of something entirely different?

When he left office, it grew.

It took root in Washington because

they figured out companies could go to Washington and lobby and get their way.

This is the beginning of all of the lobbyists in Washington.

And it just grew, ever-expanding bureaucracy, a shadow government of unelected officials who now control almost every aspect of your life, from what kind of car you drive to what you eat to what stove you can have in your house, how you can build your house.

His dream was that a government would no longer be by the people, but by the experts.

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So, when they're saying that they're destroying democracy, no,

they're destroying the bureaucracy, which is the antithesis to our founding documents.

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So he tweets yesterday, decided to go in and challenge that business.

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Because you don't understand.

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So I think we're all excited, I think, about the cuts to the federal government.

Been waiting for this for a very, very long time.

However, there is a downside to this that has to be balanced very carefully.

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I'll explain this.

Carol Roth, she joins me in 60 seconds.

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Okay, let me go to Carol Roth.

Carol Roth, who is a recovering

investment banker,

and she's also the author of a couple of really, really good books.

One of them is You Will Own Nothing,

Your War with a New Financial World Order and How to Fight Back.

She has been part of the good fight on ESG and all of this, which, you know, for now it's being rolled back, but you know, let's not celebrate before its head is completely cut off.

Carol, welcome to the program.

How are you?

You know, they say there are decades when nothing happens and then weeks when decades happen.

And I feel like we're getting decades every single day.

So I'm doing well, you know, kind of struggling to keep up with all of the news that's coming out.

Breathless.

Absolutely breathless.

Let's talk about, and this is really important because I don't want to harsh anybody's mellow, as we used to say on the West Coast.

But,

you know, there's a lot of good news, but we have to be aware of the downside of this so we're not shocked.

And we also can prepare for

what the proposed solution from Congress will be.

Explain why even really good cuts to the extent we're cutting and planning on cutting, why that can turn ugly on us.

So the best way that I can explain it is that we are in this awful fiscal situation, which I think everybody understands.

But what that has done is it's laid in effect tripwires all around us.

And those tripwires are things like our debt to GDP, which is 120%,

our deficits to GDP, which are running at wartime levels, just crazy, the strength of the US dollar, which is not necessarily strong when you go to the grocery store, but is strong against a basket of other currencies from around the world.

The rates on the 10-year yield, which again, historically may not seem that high, but in modern historical context are quite high from what we've seen in the last 15 years, the interest being higher than defense spending and part of our overall budget.

So all of these things are these tripwires that, to the extent the Trump administration is able to do things, they have to make sure that their good deed doesn't get punished by

getting into one of these tripwires and sending us in the wrong direction.

So, if, oh, do you want to go ahead?

No, no, no.

Go ahead.

Okay.

Okay.

So, if you think about just general math, we have a situation where our country has been showing growth.

But as I said, we've been generating these enormous deficits in order to do that.

And that has been adding to the GDP, but taking lots of dollars to show that growth.

We want to.

Hang on just a second.

Let's zero on this just for half a second.

It takes almost $6 for the government to spend for us to get $1

in growth.

That was the fourth quarter of last year.

That was exactly correct.

That's not good.

That's not good.

Which is why we keep talking about the fact that a dollar spent by the government is not the same as the dollar in your pocket or spent by the private sector.

You're not getting the same kind of productivity.

And in fact, Elon Musk said this in the White House yesterday.

We're trying to take people who are in these non-productive, you know, bureaucratic government jobs and put them into a productive

place in the workforce.

That being said, that there is a choreography to not hit the tripwire because we've been putting all this money out and that is going and showing up in GDP.

If you cut that before you see the growth, you're going to hit one of those tripwires that potentially could say, oh, no, now we've actually shrunk GDP and we're in a recession.

Oh, we're not getting as much revenue.

Oh, that actually means that we're increasing the deficit and we could end up in something that causes a debt spiral.

The same thing could happen with some of these cuts in the strength of the U.S.

dollar.

If we do things that continue to strengthen the U.S.

dollar, we are near a territory that is considered dangerous in terms of sending things in the global financial markets sideways.

Because again, you have to remember that we have goods and services that are priced in US dollars around the world.

What happens if somebody needs to raise more dollars?

They do things like sell stocks or sell treasuries to do that.

If they're selling treasuries, that then kicks up our interest rates.

And again, everything is this circular tripwire.

So if we don't get this order of operations correct, we could see

a recession.

We could see a debt spiral.

What's going to happen then, Glenn?

They're going to blame Trump for that.

Right.

They're going to blame Trump, and Congress will then put in a big spending bailout package, and we'll be back right where we were.

Exactly.

Correct.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Or worse.

Yeah.

Okay.

So

let's talk about things that can be done.

And are you watching?

I mean, I'm watching the

progress that the president is making on so many things.

I mean, it's breathtaking to watch everywhere he's going in and routing things out and now talking about closing so many different agencies or greatly reducing them, cutting them by, you know, two-thirds.

But I haven't seen the movement on regulation and anything that's good for business yet.

Have you seen those moves?

Well, you know that you and I have been talking about for almost a year now this Corporate Transparency Act for small businesses, and they had an opportunity to repeal that.

And instead, the House voted on a one-year delay.

We want certainty.

We want to get rid of this.

The Small Business Optimism Index, although for the past three months is up above the historic average, is still on the downtrend for the last month because they're concerned about tariffs and they're concerned about regulation like the CTA.

and whatnot.

So we have not seen as much of the things done that are going to juice the economy yet.

I do think the good news here is that there does seem to be some careful thought in certain places, things like offering the buyout packages for some of these government workers.

You and I might say, well, you know, let's just cut them off immediately.

But giving them that lag time then gives them an opportunity to find that employment in the private sector and shift those dollars from the government to the private sector and the more productive side as we talked about.

So we do need to be mindful of the choreography and we need to be patient here.

But yeah, I'm a little worried.

I'm hopeful some of these things that they're finding are not contributors to GDP.

They're things where money is being wasted.

I mean, they honestly, they don't seem like it.

You know, when we're giving people

circumcisions all across the globe,

that's not really something that is good for our growth.

No, exactly.

So I think that it's smart to start start with those kinds of things.

But I do think

Scott Besant, who is the new Treasury Secretary, as we've talked about, super smart guy.

And he's been talking about for a long time before he was even in consideration officially for Treasury Secretary, that he's seeing a resetting happening of the global financial order, which we've talked about.

And he's seeing these unusual things that are going to happen.

So I think we are going to see some very out-of-the-box ideas coming from particularly treasury about ways to address some of these tripwires.

Can I talk about one thing I really want to focus on on this?

One of the things that is being speculated is right now the government is marking gold at what, $42 an ounce.

The price of gold is $2,900 an ounce, but the government has it on its books as $42

an ounce.

And usually you would do something called mark to market.

So you would change that number to $2,900 an ounce, and then it would be in market value.

They're talking about marking that up possibly to $4,000 or $6,000 an ounce.

How real is this?

Because that changes everything.

So I'm so glad you brought this up.

If you listen to what, again, the things that Scott Besant has been saying, the things about this reordering of the global financial order.

And just a couple of days ago in the press conference he gave, I don't know if anybody caught it, but he was talking about monetizing the asset side of the balance sheet.

Right.

Okay, well, what assets do we have that we could potentially monetize?

It's not like we're going to be selling off federal lands and things like that likely, but we do have, as you put forth, we have a lot of gold, supposedly.

So let's just run with the fact that we actually do have this, you know, over 8,000 tons.

So as you said, it's being carried on the books at just over $42 an ounce.

What would happen is if they decided, just to, let's just start with the first piece of it.

If they decide to market up to $2,900 an ounce, what functionally happened when they did this in the 1970s, the last time they did a revaluation, is that the treasury offers the Fed certificates for the difference in value, and then the Fed deposits in the Treasury's quote-unquote checking account, the TGA or Treasury General account, the difference.

So that could be like $800 billion that gets put into the Treasury's account that they could then spend.

If we get, by the way, a further markup that there's a, you know, some sort of a big accord, the Mar-a-Lago Accord, as some people have kind of jokingly said, where we sit down with China, we sit down with some of these other places and say look something needs to be done about these tripwires about the the value of the dollar you know versus the the yuan and whatnot um everybody as we know all the central banks have been loading up on gold so what happens if you know we we bump that to four thousand dollars or six thousand dollars then all of these central banks then have a benefit the yuan is devalued uh versus gold but it isn't as big of an issue for them.

They have the gold to settle the trade.

We now all of a sudden have cash that the treasury can spend without having to bring the Fed in.

The challenge is monetization.

What is the release valve for that?

It's inflation, as we've seen.

And this is kind of the warning that

we've been talking about for a long time.

We saw it today with the CPI being hot again.

There needs to be a release valve somewhere.

So you're going to have a recession or you're going to have inflation.

You're going to have the global financial markets tumble or you're going to have inflation.

You're going to have all these things that are politically not palatable or you're going to have more inflation.

So guess what we're likely to have on an ongoing basis, Glenn?

A recession or inflation.

Yeah.

Right.

So let me take a quick break and then I want to come back.

What

should we be doing?

How fast does this have to happen to get ahead of it?

I mean, the one thing that I know that Donald Trump understands is business.

I know he understands we have to rebuild America and bring more jobs back into America, start building things ourselves, you know,

refocus small business,

you know, be dominant in AI, all of these things.

But what has to happen first?

What are the moves that we should be looking at to say, okay, good,

we've got that under control, or at least we're thinking about that.

This is one possibility that could get it under control.

I don't know if there is a magic bullet that

you could shoot and make all these problems go away, but what would we look for to give us

an indication that we're at least really thinking about it and addressing it soon.

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Okay,

so when do you expect to see Treasury start to move this way?

Are they moving so far?

Are they giving signals that they know how urgent this is?

And what should should we be looking for?

So, Scott Besson has definitely said that he understands how urgent this is.

The first signal to me that he kind of understands how urgent this is is that he is critical of Janet Yellen financing our debt at what's called the short end of the curve, the short-term bills instead of using 10 years or 30 years to finance.

And his first opportunity to refinance, what did he do?

He did the same thing, which means that he kind of understands that there wasn't much of a chance.

There's There's no way out.

Yeah, that was the first signal to me.

He is incredibly intelligent.

And while Trump and Musk are going to focus on the things that they understand and are within their context, he is going to focus on these real issues.

And I don't think he's going to get a ton of help from the Federal Reserve, who obviously kind of played the role that Biden wanted them to play.

And I think there's going to be a little bit more friction.

So I think the Treasury is going to have to take a more active step and

stance here and the the administration will as well so I do think that this is something we could see this year it is something that we could potentially even see in the first half of the year and we've seen all kinds of you know kind of small

signposts, if you will, about gold coming back to the U.S.

and some of the banks becoming bullion banks.

And I saw yesterday, South, I think it was South Korea is no longer selling bars.

They put a halt on it because there's all this demand and London's having a hard time settling.

So there are all these little signposts that are going, okay, people seem to think that there might be something going on here more than just, oh, you know, we're concerned about tariffs, so we're doubling down in gold.

So I do think that we will see something unusual.

I think what's going to happen that is probably going to be kind of make people's head spins spins is all of the things that we've talked about as bad financial moves in a free market are unfortunately going to be some of the things that they're going to have to do things that you know do create inflation things that you know create monetization i mean there's a really crazy idea um you know that they they try to take interest rates down in some way so that they can refinance the debt at lower interest costs and get that interest payment down.

But again, there has has to be a release valve for the some way.

You cannot have some action and not have a related consequence.

And so, I think for the individuals who are thinking, well, what do I do?

You know, A, you've got to make sure that your wages, to the extent you have wages and aren't, you know, retired, are keeping pace with inflation.

And you have to also

make sure that you have some diversified portfolio because the likely reality is, whether it's gold or stock, that you're going to see those assets continue to inflate with the wider inflation.

Carol, thank you as always.

Thanks for filling us in.

Carol Roth,

you can follow her at her website, CarolRoth.com/slash news, or just follow her on Twitter, Carol J.

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Roth,

and she'll keep you up to speed on everything that's going on.

Thank you, Carol.

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Welcome to the Glenbeck program.

We're so glad that you've tuned in today.

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I want to talk to you about,

well, let me apologize first, okay?

Before we start talking about it, I do want to apologize because

this is going to be in your head now forever, but

I just don't know any other way.

I have to present this to you.

The

Democrats,

I think, have lost their mind.

And so they are now, you know,

standing up for the Department of Ed, and they're standing up for USAID and

all of these crazy things.

I mean, the Department of Ed, when we start to see what the Department of Ed actually spends its money on, I think you'll agree.

Our test scores are, we spend more money per student than anybody else in the world.

And

when you look at the test scores, we're not getting anything for it.

The Department of Ed doesn't do anything.

All that money should go back to the states.

And the federal government could help those states that just can't afford things, but it shouldn't be run by the unions or anybody else.

It should be run by the local school districts and certainly not by the federal government.

Well, they're very upset at some of these cuts.

And I just, they've got a new chant.

It's more of a song than a chant.

And I just think you should hear it because it's very, very compelling.

Which side are you on?

Which side are you on?

Which side are you on?

Singing.

Which side are you on?

We'll fight against Josh.

We'll fight Elon Musk.

No, we landscape within our walls.

We'll fight from dawn to dusk.

Oh, which side are you on?

Which side are you on?

Which side are you?

Which side are you on?

Yeah.

Which side are you on?

Oh, she's got more.

Lovely singing voice.

He wants us to bow to him, but we want him in jail.

Yeah.

Which side are you on?

Okay.

Which side are you on?

I'm sorry.

That is going to be in your head now for the rest of the day.

You're going to find yourself, and don't curse me.

I'm just doing my job, bringing you the news.

And so don't, you know, it'll be 3 o'clock this afternoon, maybe 9 o'clock tonight, and you'll be like,

Tim Glennbeck.

Don't blame me.

Don't blame me.

Blame the unions in Washington.

Blame the organizers in Washington that are saying, which side are you on?

The cuts?

of graft and corruption and just not knowing where the hell your money went?

I think I'm on that side.

My question is: which side are they on?

You know what I mean?

The ones singing, especially the woman leading it, which side is she on?

Because I think this helps my side,

not their side.

But I, you know, maybe it's just me.

Maybe I don't have the right appreciation for the fine arts and that super, super classic.

By the way, they've changed the words, but that is something,

a song that was written for the labor movement by the socialists in 1931 or 1932.

It came again back in the 60s.

And what a surprise.

The same socialists are singing it again.

So which side are you on?

Oh, which side are you on?

Now, I don't know, and I haven't heard this for a while, but

the only thing I can compare this to in quality is, do you remember the woman in Seattle years ago that came up with her own song about there's a hole in the sky where the tree once was yes go ahead let's pull this super super classic in the sky where the tree once was somebody's making money

there's a hole in the sky where the tree once was

somebody's making money yeah laws protect exceptional trees but the city grants exemptions to these instead they reward the developer's greed and sanction the murderer's deeds.

There's a hole in the sky where the tree once was.

Somebody's making money.

There's a hole in the sky where the tree once was.

She missed

her.

No more leaves shimmering with golden light.

No more gentle shedding of rains.

No more tulip blossoms rustling in the wind.

Now nothing remains but

a hole in the sky where the tree once was.

Stop, stop, stop, stop.

Could we play the other one?

Because I'm just trying to.

Which one is better?

That one's really good.

That one's really, really super good.

I could see it on Broadway.

And

it's only competition, I think, in years

is this new one.

Which side are you on?

Play later.

Which side are you on?

Which side are you on?

Tell me, which side are you on?

I like that.

Tell me.

Which side are you on?

We'll fight against Josh.

We'll fight Elon Musk.

Little pitchy dog.

Little pitchy dogs.

We'll fight from dawn to dusk.

You know,

I have to say,

I have to say, as somebody who does like Broadway,

I think that's the winner.

That's the one that I'm leaving the theater singing.

Well, as a man who's produced a top-selling Christmas CD

recently,

you have an eye for talent.

And I think

is there a possibility that your daughter and one of these singers could do a duet?

Is there a

nope?

I don't think there's a possibility of that at all.

No, okay.

Not even in the slightest.

By the way, don't you owe us a duet?

I was hoping you wouldn't bring that up.

You owe us a song

still.

I do.

Yeah, you do.

Okay.

I just haven't had a chance to get around to it.

I will say vocal performance-wise, I think the hole in the sky, there's a

clear-cut advantage there

for the ability as far as singing goes.

And lyrics.

Lyrics.

I mean, you know, you don't have a lot of shimmering leaves in

regular March songs.

This is more of a ballad, really.

When you throw the word musk in, you know they're going to dusk.

Yeah.

Because there's not a lot of songs that you can't rhyme tusk all that often unless you're singing about like, you know, prehistoric animals.

Yes.

You're not going to get there that often.

So there's not really that much to go to.

So

I thought it was pretty, pretty bad.

Could you go to bust

with Musk?

I mean, it's a stretch.

It's a stretch.

It's a stretch.

Not a true rhyme, but

I don't think I can hold him to that standard anyway.

And like, I, what are they?

I love the idea here that like they're trying to make Musk into this

guy who's actually the president of the United States right now.

And there's multiple reasons I think they're doing that.

But one of them is, I think,

you look at

what he's trying to do is so fundamentally obvious to everyone.

Now, you might not think he's making the right choices in that process.

You could say, okay, well, I think this particular program is beneficial and the others aren't.

But fundamentally, he's just trying to get rid of waste.

And

it's so obvious this stuff exists.

And I don't even think that they're necessarily like arguing.

Like, they don't argue the specific points he makes up.

Oh, no, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Play that song again.

Yeah, that's true.

I think you might be.

Which side are you on?

Which side are you on?

Which side are you on?

Okay, now listen to her case.

Which side are you on?

And ask yourself,

which side are you on?

We'll fight against Josh.

We'll fight Elon Musk.

No, we must cab within our walls.

We'll fight from dawn to dusk.

So, something about scabs in their walls.

Yeah, I don't think that's the best verse for this case that you are making.

Can you get to the second verse there for me?

Good are you all.

Of course, good are you all.

Well, that's the part that I'm talking about.

Which side are you all?

Keep playing it, it'll just never be.

Trump's coming for our unions.

Trump's coming for the unions.

He wants us to bow to him, but we want him in jail.

What a great job.

Okay, so that is a really good point.

And I don't think people are sick of the jail talk.

You know what I mean?

No, it works so well in this

recent election.

Go back to it.

They got to.

I mean, when they get halfway through the song and they say the word Bittler, you know what's coming.

That's right.

I think that's in the fourth stanza.

It's in the fourth stanza.

Yes, it is coming up.

the fourth stanza.

Most people don't sing it, but they'll bring it up.

They'll bring it up.

Can I bring up one other argument?

I want to get your take on, Glenn?

Sure.

Whether what the media is trying to do with all this Elon Musk talk, obviously they want him to fail at what he's attempting to do here.

That's clear.

But like, he's on the cover of Time magazine sitting at the Resolute Desk.

Yeah.

I think they want to break up this little relationship.

Of course they do.

They are trying to taunt Trump into thinking, well, actually, it's Musk that's the president and thinking Trump's ego will step up and say, no, it's not.

In fact, he's gone.

Like they want to create that.

I don't think Trump is dumb enough to fall for it.

No.

But I do think they are trying to do that.

Oh,

they don't understand the fundamental change in Donald Trump.

You know, maybe in the first term, maybe,

maybe you could have gotten away with that.

But not if he was locked in as much as he is on what Elon Musk is doing and knowing who Elon Musk is and what he's capable of.

He has a profound respect for him as a cutter, as somebody who can look at a big picture and break it down into his

head in the fundamentals almost instantaneously.

And Donald Trump knows that he has that skill and knows what role he plays.

And he's not.

He's not concerned about anybody thinking he's not president of the United States.

You know, they did that the the last, he's not really president, he was selected, not elected.

All of that stuff, it doesn't mean anything to him.

He has his mojo back, and it's just it's not going to work.

It's not going to work.

I mean, when did you hear his response to that from Time magazine?

Did you see, Mr.

President, Time Magazine had Elon Musk sitting behind this quote, your resolute desk?

What do you have any comment on that?

You know what his comment was?

Is Time magazine still in business?

It's fantastic.

It's fantastic.

Yeah.

That's the right response.

It is.

It is.

So I don't think it's going to work.

And the other thing that makes this fall apart is Bernie Sanders, I've been warning about millionaires and billionaires having access to our government and creating an oligarchy.

Really, Bernie?

I don't remember you saying anything about George Soros.

I don't remember you saying anything.

In fact, as we are now looking at all of the NGOs that are run by all of your friends that are all getting millions and millions of dollars from the government,

I didn't hear, in fact, you're defending that now.

How is this

consistent at all?

I love Hillary Clinton when she comes out.

This is disgusting.

Really?

Ms.

Clinton?

The

Clinton Global Initiative?

The queen of Benghazi?

I don't think you have any credibility on this one.

No, they're mad at Elon Musk because he's a billionaire that isn't giving his money and efforts to them.

Lots of the other ones are.

They like a certain type of billionaire, which is the one that's feeding them money.

That's the kind they like.

And every other kind is bad.

Right.

And I have to tell you, when he gets into the Defense Department, that's when we should really

be

saying great things.

That's when he's uncovering the graft and the waste in our Defense Department, which you know is there.

We've known that ever since I was a kid.

All of that.

That's when we have touchdown after touchdown because they're protecting their little graft scheme.

Our side, which is supposed to be big defense, I don't want any of it protected.

I want those people to be exposed.

And if they broke the law, I want them to go to jail.

And I want the money to be accounted for.

So, what are you going to say to that?

Well, they just are

big

warp

business

billionaire.

The evil guy with the electric car company.

That's the real enemy.

Wait, I thought the biggest

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You know, Stu just said something.

Just, I mean, if you're in the arts, you're going to be very offended.

He just asked, is that a real song?

And I I said, what do you mean?

He said, whose side are you on?

Is that a real song?

And I'm like, of course it's a,

of course it's a real song.

I mean, you can't hear that?

That's great.

And I feel like when you sing it, it's almost as good as when they sing it.

Let me just ask you, and I mean this sincerely, which side are you on?

Which side are you on?

Hey, everybody.

Coming up in just a second, Ana Paulina Luna.

She is the congresswoman that has just been appointed to lead the task force on declassification of federal secrets.

We have her on next.

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from Congress.

She's just been appointed to lead the task force on declassification of federal secrets.

Anna, welcome.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn, happy to be back on.

Thank you.

Okay, now I just have to say, yesterday, unbeknownst to me, before you are appointed, I was on a show with Patrick Pett David and I said, within 15 days, they're going to release the client list for Jeffrey Epstein.

No way, that can't be true.

And I said, I'm telling you, Cash Patel, I talked to him over the summer.

He is for radical transparency.

It's in the hands of the director of the FBI.

I think he does it day number one.

But let's give him a few days to settle in.

They didn't believe me.

They said, we're going to track this.

So, Anna, you're going to make me look bad.

And I don't care if lives are destroyed or whatever, but you can't make me look bad.

No, you know, we actually also sent a letter yesterday to the Department of Justice.

As you know, Pam Body Bandi is heading up that organization.

And we also asked for it there.

But I also, I'm in the same belief that cash will get confirmed.

I think that he is going to be absolutely pushing for radical transparency.

And I'd like to also, too, just point out that, you know, at the same time that we're basically announcing our press conference and this declassification task force, we actually also found out that the SDI just so happened to locate thousands of pages of

previously undiscovered JFK files.

So look, I know a lot of people are like, well, the American people need to see that information first.

And you actually will be able to see it.

It's going to be declassified.

But the reason why we're doing the task force is A, just because President Trump signed an executive order doesn't mean that bureaucrats in these intelligence agencies won't attempt to block it.

So we want to make sure that that's followed through and we do have punitive authority to hold them accountable if they don't, A.

And then b I think it's incredibly important to look at the evidence that we know now which is sure as heck a lot different than what they had you know even 60 years ago and what we're finding and what I've said is from what I have looked at just stuff that's already out there also to taking into account many of the doctors that were actually at that initial responding or at that initial hospital I do think that there were two shooters and I think that you know the whole magic bully theory that the Warren Commission pushed I think that that was faulty faulty.

I know the president at the time also believed that that was a faulty theory.

And so, you know, I'm eager to uncover this.

I know that there's many Democrats and Republicans that also want to get to the bottom of this.

And I'm simply asking the questions that every American's been asking for decades.

So I have a really good friend, Paul Viens, who is, he has the

Museum of the American Soldier in Texas.

And

he had, and he spent a long time to get the exact right gun, the way it was modified scope and everything else and he just had it redone and I have to tell you I've held it I'm going to take it out to the range next week but I've I've held the gun I've looked through the scope I just don't think you could do it I mean it is it's just so difficult

there um there were reports from doctors at the time, some of which were, you know, first and second year med students who are at the hospital in the room where Kennedy was brought, and they reported an entry wound in the the neck.

From some of the footage that you can see that's actually videoed, you can see obviously Kennedy getting shot, but then also the doctors that ran the autopsies at Bethesda, Maryland had reported seeing an entry wound in the back.

And so we're talking about multiple shots here.

I think the whole idea that they would try to just ignore that evidence or at least try to bury that and not even answer the question is suspect to me.

And so I think this whole idea of wanting to push against declassification or even trying to poo poo the evidence that now has been brought to the forefront.

Look, it's the obligation of the U.S.

government to release this information to the American people.

Kennedy was arguably one of the most popular presidents, and he was assassinated.

So, why did they try so hard to push back against any questioning?

And that's where I come in and where the task force comes in.

You know, I'm also telling people, though, if you are seeing people with large accounts in social media, especially pushing against declassification or attempting to discredit, and I saw it immediately after my press conference, trying to discredit the efforts of Congress to actually follow through and get this done.

In my opinion, bad actors exist on both sides.

If you really have nothing to hide, then you should not be afraid of the questioning.

You shouldn't be afraid of information getting out to the American people.

So,

let me ask you, let me push back on a couple of things

just from

playing devil's advocate.

Why would you start with the JFK?

Why is that even important?

I mean, it happened a year before I was born.

Yesterday was my 61st birthday.

How is this relevant?

How is this relevant?

Yeah, I think.

So, when we chose to kind of go through the hearing timelines, it's the MLK files and GSK files that are going to be released first.

So, we wanted to help go through that information and then also correct some of the historical narratives that were painted on the assassinations.

Obviously, confirming or holding hearings that actually present new evidence, I think, is important for knowing and fully understanding the story, right?

So, that's the first thing.

Are these going to be open hearings?

Yes.

Yep, these are all all open.

And the reason I want them open is because I think the American people will be able to also go through the evidence.

I'm also going to be doing something similar to what I did when we ran the UAP hearings and allow people to ask questions.

And we're also bringing in experts.

There's a few individuals that I want to bring in from the previous investigations that actually were pointing out some pretty incredible evidence that pointed to potentially a second shooter.

And they were poo-pooed, and I think that those people deserve a platform.

And if we find anything, and

having cash confirmed is incredibly important because he's also going to bring forward files that I would argue have been hidden from the American people.

And so, look, this is obviously a big effort.

We're not perfect, but we do know that the American people deserve this, and that's what we're fighting for: total, complete transparency.

Okay, so the other pushback question that I have, and this one is actually pretty sincere from me, and that is

once we get Congress involved, then we're re-litigating everything the more congress gets involved the slower it will happen and the higher the percentage is it's just not going to come out we're just going to get pages and pages of redacted crap

well so the whole purpose and objective of this task force is actually to ensure that with president trump's executive order that the agencies and the bureaucrats in those agencies do exactly what that executive order says, which is to declassify it.

So we're not going to be siloing or holding any information that won't be available to the American people.

So this is all going to be out there.

You will be able to go through it yourself.

It will be online from what I gather, similar to how they've declassified previous documents from the SBI and the CIA.

So again, we are simply

reopening the investigation with new evidence, also bringing in credible witnesses that will be verified and confirmed via House Oversight, the committee itself.

And we are going to be opening this up to the American people.

So you will have access to the same documents that we are looking at.

We are just simply ensuring that we are not going to get

blockaded or this information is not siloed.

Unbelievable.

And when do we get to the things?

By the way, the answer to for me, the answer to my first question to you was

it's relevant because I think they've been doing this kind of stuff forever and it shows a pattern.

If they were doing it in 63, what are they doing now?

I just don't think

you know what's interesting is if you ask those questions,

there are some people, and to be clear, these people largely exist in the media, and they're largely, in my opinion, bad actors.

But when you have someone that, instead of answering the question and having a respectful dialogue, tries to discredit something as a conspiracy theory or tries to gaslight you into thinking that you should not be asking the question, that's when you know that they're hiding something, right?

So, in my opinion, you have, I've talked to many Democrats, many well-known Democrats that are just like, we want in on this commission or on this task force because we have questions, and it just doesn't sit right with.

Look,

this entire task force, I don't believe that this would be possible had President Trump not gotten into office, had our CIA director not been confirmed, had there not been people placed in positions of power that are true ideologues like you and I.

You know, to be clear, I think that also Marco Rubio is going to play a part at

the Secretary of State's office.

I think that

there are going to be many people in some of these investigations that will at least give us access to whatever information.

Look, we've asked to declassify everything that I listed in that press conference.

COVID-19 origins, 9-11 files.

I mean, look at what just came out yesterday.

We find out that the FBI was, what, basically ordering lunch for someone that was working with the pilots that crashed the planes into the Twin Towers.

I mean, that's ridiculous.

And that's all just coming out now.

And so that's why we ask these questions on the 9-11 files.

How could have it prevented?

How much did the government truly know?

I mean, look, I could care less if people think I'm crazy for doing this.

I can tell you that I am joined by many high-profile people in Congress to include Democrats that have the same questions.

And so we're not going to stop.

Jeffrey Epstein, when's that coming out?

Well, I have a letter out to Pam Bondi.

I know that Cash has been supportive of it.

And so hopefully, once they're confirmed, previously they said that the Epstein list could not be released.

This is, mind you, under Biden, Department of Justice, because there was an open case, right?

And that's what they kept pointing to.

But you're even hearing that Pam Bondi, even before she was confirmed, that she was actually calling for the release of the Jeffrey Epstein client list.

So we are pushing for it.

We've sent the go ahead.

Will

Pam and

Cash be the ones to make the decision we're going to release it?

Or does it have they will be the ones?

Yes, they'll be the ones.

Again, I'm going off of what we were told in previous administrations, but look, they were saying that there was an open investigation.

So I believe that Pam has the authority to release that.

And look, I don't believe that any of that should have been classified.

If there are people that were doing bad things, we should know about it.

It's unbelievable.

I mean, radical transparency, it is the only thing that will heal our nation, is if we deal with all of the corruption that we've been dealing with, that we know has happened.

And if we can get an honest look, you know, maybe

the Warren Commission was right.

I don't know.

But we should be able to know that and look at the evidence for ourselves.

Yes.

All of the evidence.

All of the evidence without protecting anybody.

Anna, thank you.

It's got to be, I mean,

what was it like to be, did you get the call from the president?

And how did this work?

So initially, in full transparency, this was actually supposed to, the task force looked a little bit different, and I chose to expand it because even our investigators said, you know, there's a lot here if we're truly, our absolute objective is to begin, you know, restoring trust in the relationship with the American people.

We have to go into these, you know, different theories, go into these cases and investigate and actually find the truth and then let the American people decide.

And I agree with them.

But also, Glenn, I think there were two other members that were potentially going to be taking over the initial task force, and they turned it down because

there was a climate of fear that it was considered dangerous territory.

And what I will tell you is, I do not believe that it's dangerous territory because we have the 800-pound gorilla in the White House and our allies and the intelligence agencies that are pushing for this transparency.

So it's not just one person.

I think where you had previous historical events that occurred, it was one person that was leading out the charge.

But when it's a group effort pushing for this, it's a systematic change that occurs.

And so in my opinion, I think I'm going to be okay.

But, you know, a lot of people, I had a reporter that called me actually, a very well-known reporter from Fox News yesterday said, you know, it's interesting, but a lot of the people, one of the initial reporters that had reported that there were three shots heard at the GFK assassination won a was a

won of the prize for writing.

And he actually committed suicide several years later.

So, you know, stuff like that has happened in the past.

And I just, I'm in the perspective and belief that right now we have a very small window of time to bring true change.

You see everything happening with USAID.

Mike Benz is uncovering a lot.

Elon Musk is uncovering a lot.

But there's a lot of good people that are really cleaning the system.

You saw, what, 40,000 federal employees resign or not resign, but chose to leave the workforce.

So you're seeing a big change happen.

And I'm not saying that this is a complete fix, but it definitely is going to change, I think, our country long term and historically.

And I'll also tell you this one.

Yesterday, after we made the the announcement, I saw a massive orchestrated campaign, specifically coming from a lot of other pages that had typically been political on social media, that were trying to discredit what I was saying about potential witnesses and trying to spin it.

And the reason why they were doing it is because the Warren Commission presented a faulty theory on the single bullet, the magic bullet theory.

To think that that was how Kennedy was taken out and then hit the Texas governor.

I mean, that's a whole thing in it.

But they were saying nobody's alive.

So who are you going to?

Well, first of all, I wasn't necessarily saying

I was using the Warren Commission as an example of the commissions that had been set up or the hearings that have been set up.

But who we are actually looking to subpoena, I don't want to say their names yet or we're not going to even

at Bethesda in the room during the 8 p.m.

autopsy that the military did.

Individuals that were on the assassination board that did not agree with the findings initially and with the new evidence coming out, I think that they are going to make great witnesses, and plus they were government employees, so they should pass backgrounds.

And then there's another individual who's going to be very key, and I think resetting the narrative on Kennedy.

Interesting.

Anna, thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Just

know, and you sound like you are, you know exactly what you're walking into.

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Thank you.

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Stu, what do you think of that?

What Anna Paulina just said?

It's interesting.

I don't know.

I mean, who knows what we find, right?

I don't see why we wouldn't be able to know the information at this point, especially on some of these older

deals.

But

that is,

I've heard many times that this is going to happen, and it hasn't happened yet.

So I think it's one of those things.

I'm just going to wait and see if they actually are able to produce this information.

I mean, obviously, Trump was already in office for four years, kind of promised it the first time, had some restrictions or whatever.

He felt he couldn't do it in the first term.

Feels like he can this time.

But again, we're going into commission land.

We're going into congressional approval land and all that sort of thing.

No, they're not.

That's not what she said.

When I asked her about, you know, can Cash and Pam be the ones that just released the list?

She said, yeah.

She did.

She did.

She did.

But she also, you know, they are also coming up with a plan to release it.

And I don't know.

It just feels like every time you get into that sort of world, nothing ever happens.

So we'll see.

Hopeful.

But I'm not going to hold my breath at this point.

Trust yet verify.

Yada, yada, yada.

Okay, Stu.

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Bringing Jason Buttrell in.

He is our head writer for television, head researcher, and

military.

He's just part of the military-industrial complex, really.

We keep him around because he brings the money in from USAID and the DOD.

So,

how are you, Jason?

I'm good.

I thought you were going to say aficionado.

That's what I was hoping before.

So,

too big of a word.

The conversation we just had with

Anna Paulina Luna,

she did say there that it's going to be the ones responsible, so the agencies will do it.

So, you know, Cash Patel, I know he said over the summer, he's like,

I'd release that right away.

And I think he's going to.

If he can get confirmed, tomorrow he's got to get out of committee.

They're trying all kinds of, you know, stupid games with the Democrats.

They don't want him in, clearly, because

they're going to be the ones prosecuting.

Tulsi Gabbard was just, right, Stu?

Wasn't she just confirmed?

Yes.

They're technically saying she's on track to be confirmed, but yes, she's going to be confirmed here.

Yeah.

So that's really good news.

Huge.

Really good news.

So what are you thinking about

the radical transparency?

How much is that going to change things?

I think we'll find out.

I think we'll see if it really is radical transparency.

I feel like we've played this song and dance before.

That's why when we hear about new committees that are going to be, you know, erected.

Yeah,

my heart sank when I heard that yesterday.

Commission a study that will be

going on.

Exactly.

I don't think that's what this administration is all about.

No.

But I think we're rightly so, the entire country is on edge to look for this bull crap when it comes up.

Yeah, well, she said that their job is not to delay it, it's to make sure that every piece is coming out about it and that nobody is trying to thwart that.

And I think that's fantastic.

We have to be really careful.

Like on the Jeffrey Epstein thing,

I don't know.

They say they're going to release the client list.

Well, what does that mean?

The clients that went to the island, the clients that were signing up for massages, or just people he was meeting with?

You know,

I want all the bad guys to go to jail, but I also, I don't want to get into a witch hunt situation.

Exactly.

And that's what we started to see when some of the names were getting released from, you know, court documents.

They were like, oh, my gosh, another one on the list.

And like, guys,

they went to a party, you know, or something like that that probably had no idea who Jeffrey Epstein even was.

I don't want to see a French Revolution.

Like,

get them.

All of them.

You know, like, I don't want to see that.

But if it's client list, that's a whole nother ballgame.

Yeah, I'd like to see what that means.

Define client list.

Yeah.

And then,

but I mean, boy, wouldn't you be sweating if you were a client of his?

Oh, my gosh.

I mean, I want to see government names on client lists.

Me too.

That's what I want to see.

I want to see Bill Clinton.

Or the director of the CIA, which we know had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein.

I mean, come on.

Like, why?

Why did that happen?

What's that all about?

Let's get Dershowitz on tomorrow.

See if if he'll talk about it.

Yeah.

Because I'd like to hear what he thinks the definition is and how many people.

What, Stu?

No, I mean, Dershowitz, I don't know how he's going to feel about the Epstein files, considering he was accused of all sorts of things.

I know.

Well, but that's why I think he'd have an interesting perspective.

He was cleared, by the way, of this.

She said she wasn't entirely sure it was him, which is quite an admission after multiple years of accusations.

Yeah.

But she,

but, But he knows what it's like to be wrongly accused.

So

what is the story on who's on this list?

And how,

you know, like Jason just said, I don't want to see, you know, guillotines rolled out into the streets.

And, you know, we need justice on this kind of stuff.

The...

The JFK thing, Stu, does it matter to you?

Sure, it matters.

I mean, I want history to be,

I want to know the truth about what's happened in our country.

So, yeah, definitely matters.

I'm a bit skeptical we're going to find some big, you know, 19th shooter in these documents.

You don't think there were 19 shooters?

I think there's only 18.

I think it's quite clear at this point.

There's only 18 shooters.

And they were all, you know, they were all

on the grassy knoll together.

Jason, what do you think?

In one big coat.

I think it establishes a pattern of behavior, first and foremost.

And so I absolutely think that it's important to know what's happening because we still see that stuff happening now, or at least we think about it.

We think about 9-11.

Why was the CIA working with the Saudis, not informing the FBI about what they were doing in the country, some of these 9-11 hijackers?

That seems like kind of a big story.

I want the Sandy Berger thing explained.

You remember he went into the National Archives and took things out about the Bushes and the Clintons out of the National Archives.

And he was caught, but he destroyed those documents before they captured him.

And then only spent a year

on a naughty list.

You can't have your national security back for 12 months.

That's it?

If I went into the National Archives and I took papers, would I really just get a slap on the hand?

Right.

I want to know what he took.

Right.

And then there's other parts of the JFK thing that just don't make sense.

Like, we know that some of these files that might get released in this next dump might be, I can't remember the name of the guy, but he was like a station chief in Miami.

Yeah.

Like, why is there a station chief, a CIA station chief in Miami?

Is this Miami, Czechoslovakia?

Whoa.

Or Miami, Poland?

I would say that it was for Cuba.

Okay.

All right.

But I mean, shouldn't that be an FBI station in Miami?

I don't know.

If there's a law that says you cannot operate in the United States, I kind of think it should be followed.

Okay, all right.

You got me on that.

You got me on that.

Yeah.

So, you know, have you seen the gun that my friend just reproduced for our museum?

Incredible.

It's incredible, isn't it?

Yeah.

And it almost looks like a toy gun, doesn't it?

It's small.

I think it's, is it Russian-made or I can't remember.

It's,

we'll have more on it.

I'll get back to the, in fact, do we happen to have it there?

Stu, you have it.

Yeah, I have it right here.

Got it from the museum.

Look at that thing.

Yep.

So that's the Oswald gun.

Can you read anything on it?

Is it American-made?

Italian.

Italian-made.

Okay.

And

Stu, just put it like you're going to shoot it and look through the scope.

Now, that's exactly the scope.

This is exactly the same gun from the same era.

Everything about it is exact.

to Lee Harvey Oswald's gun.

And we'll have to take this out to

the firing range.

because I can't see anything in there.

Right, well, have you ever used a scope before?

Oh, there I am.

I can see my own face.

Yeah, okay, good, good.

Okay, you're not a good example, but it is, it's a very small scope.

It's very, very small.

Yes.

You know, and if you're used to scopes, you know, then you'd get used to it.

But boy, to be able to take the bolt action, eject the other, put the new one in, down,

and shoot even twice,

I don't think he could have done it.

He would have been taught to fire with iron sights in Marine Corps boot camp, and that's what he would have trained on.

So I don't know the practice he actually had looking through scopes, but I'm very curious.

Like, I want to fire this thing and see speed.

I want to see speed and accuracy, especially between like two different shooters to see like how accurate this thing is.

Well, I'm a better shot than you are.

That's very disputable.

No,

I don't think it's disputable at all, Jason.

Disputable.

Yeah, yeah, I'm a Marine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whatever.

I don't know how you got, how they ever issued you a gun, but that's a difference.

Plus, I don't want to think we would want to bring up Jason's recent firing of weapons

after the military in foreign lands.

There's some stories there that we don't want to get into here on the program.

Yeah, I would just keep that one to yourself, Stu.

Isn't that amazing to hold that gun?

Yeah, it does not seem possible.

I mean, look, I remember going to the book depository here in Dallas

and looking at the shot.

And again,

I'm no marksman as been well covered on this program.

But

it did not seem like it would be easy, particularly with a gun like this.

I mean, it seems like...

Now, of course, you fire a gun in a general direction of someone.

You could get lucky, right?

I mean, it's possible.

It's not impossible, but it seemed like a really difficult shot.

And I don't know that he was...

Was he that good?

Was he that highly?

He was a sharpshooter, wasn't he, Jason?

I I don't remember.

We should look it up.

I don't remember.

I thought he had experience

shooter, yeah, training.

But still, that's a lot to add.

I mean, it does not look like an easy shot.

It's a moving target.

I mean, not quickly, but moving.

Every once in a while, I talk to someone who is like, you know, someone who shoots a lot and really understands the stuff and is like, ah, you could make the shot.

You could make the shot.

It's not important.

I think

you could make the shot.

You can make one, I think.

You could make it.

And you could hit your target, I think.

Three shots?

I don't, you know, I find that hard to believe.

If my memory serves me correctly, they did this with the Warren Commission,

and they had the best snipers try to do it, and they couldn't recreate the shot.

They couldn't get the shot.

Three shots off.

Couldn't do it.

I mean, you could look out, you go, when you go to visit that museum, you can stand and look out a window that's two windows, I think, away from where he shot from.

So you can really get an idea.

It's pretty amazing.

It again would be really difficult to pull off.

You know who we should bring to the range, Jason?

My wife.

Seriously, she's the best.

You laugh at that.

Oh, I'm telling her.

Oh, no, I've seen it because we'll shoot Skeet.

And you're like, we're like, we're hitting one, missing one, hitting one.

You launch like five, and Tanya's all,

and we're like, all right, I'm really good.

We had three guys from the military, me and a couple of other guys that weren't in the military.

We were all trying trying to hit tannerite with iron sights, I don't remember how many yards away, and we're trying to hit it and like none of it, one pull each, and all of us came so close and she's like, give me the gun.

Were you there?

No, I was there.

She gave,

boom, boom, blows up.

I mean, she's a great shot.

And seeing the gun hasn't been fired since the 1960s, maybe we should try it with somebody else first.

Right.

You go first.

Oh, that's fine.

I knew it was coming.

I knew it was coming.

We'll take that out.

Maybe Monday.

Can we do that?

Sounds good.

Let's go out Monday and

we'll just put it up.

We'll just live stream it or something

online

firing the

Lee Harvey Oswald rifle.

Could it be done?

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We were talking a little bit all day, basically, about a bunch of stuff that's in the media and swirling around, and people are going crazy.

They're trying to go after Elon Musk.

They're trying to go after Donald Trump.

They're doing what they do in the media.

And there's no surprise there.

It's obviously something you expect.

They're also freaking out constantly over everything that Donald Trump says.

And whether it's, you know, he's going to buy Gaza and turn it into a resort, or he's going to buy Greenland, or he's going to take the Panama Canal, or whatever that thing is that he brings up on a day-to-day basis, the media must freak out about it.

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That's their new keyword, by the way, constitutional crisis.

If you have that in your drinking game, you're hammered at this point.

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Is it a constitutional crisis?

No.

I mean, could it turn into one?

Who knows?

And that's what I feel like happens all the time in the Trump era.

This is what the media in the Trump era is completely out of control because they can't put anything in perspective.

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You know, I don't know.

Is Donald Trump going to make Canada the 51st state?

I feel like it's unlikely.

Is he saying it just because he thinks it's fun to say?

I don't think so.

There's more to it than that.

It's Donald Trump.

Yes, he's trolling Trudeau.

Yes, that's part of it.

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the key thing for us to remember, this is not the key thing for Trudeau to remember.

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That's a threat.

It's a negotiation as well.

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He's not negotiating with you.

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you could sit here and freak out every single time he says something, or he can be an adult and realize that Donald Trump has some sort of plan here.

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