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We are in a tough, tough battle.

We have a tough negotiator.

And just like if you've ever been in the room when somebody's really negotiating hard and you're like, God, I don't know if I would have said that,

you trust the lead negotiator to know what he's doing.

So we're going to talk about the economy, the tariffs.

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We're what, two weeks in?

Keep going, Elon Musk.

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The clock is ticking.

now and I think everybody's very well aware of that ticking clock and it's happening faster than people realize.

There is a freight train that is barreling down the tracks, and we are standing right in its path.

And we're debating whether the tracks should be made of steel or recycled materials.

I don't think that's what we should be talking about.

The train doesn't care.

It's coming either way.

You, however,

Because you are paying attention, you can get off the tracks and warn others as well to the game that's being played now at a global level.

We have to move, but we must not blink.

Let's start with tariffs here.

I'm going to cover a lot of things this hour, but tariffs, they're a really big deal.

But Canada, this isn't about you, okay?

It's not about Mexico.

It's not about Panama.

It's about security.

It's about drug runners.

It's about our borders.

It's about making America strong again.

It's honestly about the U.S.

and the end of the structure that was set up post-World War II.

That's what it is.

Now, the left and economic experts will now tell you, you can't do that.

But that's what they've been doing.

They've been dismantling the economic structure of post-World War II, right?

I mean, they say it.

It can't continue like this.

It's going to collapse.

That's why we need a great reset.

Except they want the great reset to go to a bigger global system.

Donald Trump says no, it needs to be America first, just as Canada, the EU, Mexico, and the rest should do the same for their countries.

The United States, and quite honestly, the entire Western world, and I think the Eastern world as well, is at the precipice of an economic, political, and societal reckoning, unlike anything the world has faced since maybe the Great Depression.

And in some ways, it's worse, because this time it's not just about economics.

It's about trust.

It's about trust in our institutions, trust in our leaders, and even trust in one another.

And that's what makes this moment so dangerous.

President Trump is walking into a storm, perhaps running headfirst right into it, with a task that borders on the impossible.

Think of this.

He's got to be right.

Not most of the time, not right on balance.

He has to be right almost every time.

Every policy, every decision, every negotiation.

He's got to be right.

It has to be in the right order, the right timing, and the right execution.

And we must not blink as he negotiates.

Because here's the truth.

We are out of margin for error.

As pilots would say, we're out of runway.

We have no more runway.

It's either get this plane up or crash.

Now imagine trying to defuse a bomb with shaky hands after somebody else set the timer and booby-trapped all of the wiring.

That's exactly what we're dealing with.

However, for anyone who's beginning to shrink because of the shrieks of Justin Trudeau and make you question what Trump is doing with tariffs, look who came to the negotiating table this weekend.

Panama.

What?

I thought they were going to fight to the bitter end.

No.

They're returning the control of the Panama Canal to us.

We don't own it, but they're kicking China out.

That's what he wanted.

So for the first time, America, you need to understand, first time since Ronald Reagan at least, that we've had a president who knows what the truth is and knows how to get it.

Just as Reagan said, that's an evil empire of communism, our number one enemy.

Trump is declaring globalism our number one enemy and returning jobs and manufacturing back to America.

That's what's happening.

That's what he's doing.

You see, we have to grow our way out of this debt.

It's not enough just to cut.

We also have to grow.

Our debt is over $34 trillion

and climbing.

Our annual deficit is over $1.7 trillion.

The interest on our debt alone is $1 trillion

a year, just the interest.

That's more than we spend on national defense.

It's going to surpass what we spend on Social Security.

And once that happens, the math doesn't work and it collapses under its own weight.

And that will happen

because almost all of the debt accrued under Biden were written as short-term loans.

A lot of it comes back up to be reloaned and remortgaged this next 18 months.

Now, because Biden was such a good negotiator, we're going to have to negotiate

under higher interest rates.

Uh-oh.

This is why we don't have a choice.

Just this one fact, if not dealt with quickly, will kill us.

The Federal Reserve, our so-called economic firefighter, is out of water.

In fact, I think they've been an arsonist for a long time.

Interest rates are already high.

Inflation is sticky.

Quantitative easing, the magic trick that they told us would work for over a decade, is no longer even an option.

The Fed printed $8 trillion in the last 15 years.

And what did we get?

What did we get?

Did we get new companies, new manufacturing, new jobs everywhere?

No, we got asset bubbles, distorted markets, and the illusion of prosperity for us as the uber-rich and large corporations, along with the banks, just got much, much, much richer.

The illusion is finally fading.

Reality is setting in.

There's going to be a great reset.

Most likely it'll be on Wall Street.

And just when we thought it couldn't get more complicated, here comes artificial intelligence and artificial superintelligence reshaping the entire world, what will feel like overnight.

Millions of jobs are going to be obsolete.

Now, will there be new ones?

Probably.

They usually come.

Are they going to come fast enough?

No, there's going to be pain.

We've talked about that for 15 years.

See, everything that we've ever talked about that ended with somebody, usually a president saying, and at that point, there will be no good options, we're here.

That's where we are.

And the economy isn't, it's not a machine you can just reboot.

It's more like an ecosystem, and we've been poisoning it now for decades.

So how do you fix this?

How do you pull a nation back from the brink when it's addicted to easy money and cheap credit and government handouts?

Well, you start by telling the truth.

And that's what Donald Trump has been saying.

We screwed ourselves and we've been screwed by every other nation and including ourselves, mainly ourselves.

Look, we're broke.

Yes, if the world were a neighborhood, we'd be the one that had the biggest house, the nicest cars.

We might even have a fleet of jets.

But what the neighbors now know

is that everything in our house, including our house, was purchased on loan, and our income can no longer service just the interest on the loan.

Everybody knows, it seems, except perhaps the family inside of the house with the fancy gates, that would be us.

This is why the $1 trillion cuts, $4 billion a day, that Elon Musk announced over the weekend is a really big deal, but it cannot be the end.

It has to be the beginning because we can't afford to be the world's babysitter or policeman anymore.

We can't keep writing blank checks to foreign countries while our own people are in real danger.

It's really easy.

We as a nation, as a nation, need to downsize.

That's it.

We need to look at our government and say, it's far too big.

We need cuts.

And the most important thing is a new mindset.

The post-World War II order is over.

That system where America props up the global economy, defends half the planet, underwrites everybody else's welfare state, it's over.

It's dead.

Why?

Why are we still living under trade laws that were written right after World War II to help rebuild the European and German car companies?

I think Mercedes is okay.

I think they'll make it without us.

It's been dead for years.

This thing has been on life support for decades, and it's been dead for at least two decades, maybe three.

We just haven't had the funeral yet, and we need to.

Countries like Panama are already beginning at the negotiating table.

Why?

Why?

Donald Trump is playing a serious game.

He is a serious negotiator.

We still hold sway in that neighborhood, even though everybody knows we're broke.

It's our security team that protects the entire neighborhood.

If we stop, they'll need to spend money.

Money they don't have, or at least haven't been willing to spend.

So,

yeah,

you like our jets?

You like our protection?

You like the world order?

Yeah, you're going to have to pay for some of it because we're done.

And the world is feeling the shift.

And the ones who are really against it were the ones that were designing a new global community, not a local community.

The tariffs, the economic pressure.

It's not just about money.

It's about leverage.

For the first time in generations, we're forcing other nations to stand on their own two feet.

We're telling them, look, we have standards, we have a border, and you cannot allow China to come in, make all that fentanyl right under your nose, and then ship it across our border with drug cartels.

And if you can't control them, we're going to push you first, 25% tariff.

And if you can't control them, then we're going to take care of those drug cartels ourselves because they're killing people here in America.

And Canada, I'm sorry, it's not about you.

We're good friends.

We are.

But you have problems as well.

You need to look at Canada first.

We've all built our economies on the illusion that we could have it all without paying the price.

BRICS is building an alternative to the U.S.

dollar as a global reserve currency, which is not a conspiracy theory.

It's happening.

China, Russia, India, Brazil, South Africa, they're betting against us.

And Canada is beginning to say they'll join Panama and others to stand against us too.

Fine.

Bet on America's best days are behind us.

But no, they're not.

They're hedging their future against the collapse of the dollar.

That's fine.

If they're right, if the dollar loses its status as the World Reserve currency, then our standard of living will collapse almost overnight.

But it's going to anyway if we don't act boldly now.

Here's the thing.

It's not just about economics.

It's also about character.

We've been living in a fantasy too long, believing economic magic tricks can print wealth out of thin air, or we could borrow it forever without any consequence.

That's not how reality works.

Reality has rules.

And if you break them, you pay the price.

And we're not the only ones that broke all those rules.

Every country in the West did.

We're just the first now under Donald Trump to say, okay, we're out of that game.

Cuts are coming, deep cuts, cuts that will make people scream, cuts to programs that you think are sacred, cuts to programs that I think are sacred.

Because if everything is sacred, then nothing is sacred.

We've treated government spending like an all-you-can-eat buffet, but the bill is now due.

And guess what?

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

And in fact, every item we ate had a very high price.

It's easy to say cut the waste, but the truth is the waste isn't enough.

Even if you eliminated every dollar of fraud, waste, and abuse, it wouldn't fix the problem because the problem is us.

It's our expectations, our unwillingness to make sacrifices, our unwillingness to do it ourselves and force others to do it themselves.

Every generation before us has faced hard times, wars, depression, pandemics.

They rose to the occasion.

The history books are just wondering, which direction am I going to write this in?

Will we stand up?

Because a lot of tough things are coming.

A lot of tough things.

But here's the hope.

We still choose how this story ends.

We face the truth now while we still have some options.

We can tighten our belts, make the cuts, rebuild our economy on solid ground.

It's going to be painful, painful here, and painful for other countries.

But pain's not the enemy.

Complacency is.

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You know, I worry about these tariffs as well, but Donald Trump is not a lawyer.

I mean, all of our presidents usually come from law.

He's not a lawyer.

He's not a politician.

He's a businessman, so he knows how the economy works.

He's the best negotiator I've ever seen.

And over the last eight years, he has earned at least my trust and respect.

I don't follow him blindly, nor should you.

I worry about the effects of tariffs, but I think I see see what he's doing and why he's doing it, and it may be the last chance we have if we do not let others see us blink.

This isn't about politics.

This is about survival.

The world as we've known it since World War II is over, and that's not a bad thing.

It's an opportunity.

It's an opportunity to rebuild something better, stronger, something real.

The question is, are we brave enough to face it?

Or will we believe the truth when we hear it?

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Yes, I mean, on some level, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about it.

Oh, you're going to like it.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're going to like it.

Finally.

It's interesting.

It feels like, I was talking to a friend this weekend, and he said that this is the first time in a while that it seems like the conservative movement actually cares about shrinking government.

Uh-huh.

Like we went through a period there where like we didn't even talk about it anymore.

Yeah.

And it does seem like this is a real effort, maybe the most real effort we've seen for a very long time.

Right.

And it's not

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I think they're actually serious about cutting it and cutting the regulations, spending, and everything else.

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Donald Trump just got off the phone with Justin Trudeau.

Apparently,

they're going to talk again at three this afternoon, but

he's not going light on good Justin,

which I'm very happy about.

Canada, I mean, you're, I'm sorry, when we're there too, I don't want to feel like we're pointing out Canada going, you guys suck.

We sucked too.

We just woke up and changed leadership and we're, we are going in a different direction because we've learned the same things you know.

Okay.

You know it.

This can't continue this way, right?

Yeah.

The one, the one, I mean, there's, I have several issues with some of these policies, but one that I do really is a little bothersome to me is Trudeau was so unpopular in Canada and so on the way out.

And now like there's this like nationalist Canadian thing going on where they're booing the national land.

Trudeau's becoming a nationalist.

I know it's hilarious, but he's now getting

the benefits of the support of people who are just rallying around him mindlessly, whether the policy is right or not.

I just don't like good things happening to Justin Trudeau.

So, that is, I don't know if that was part,

but again, that is an unforeseen consequence.

Yes, I don't like that.

But we will see, you know, obviously where this thing lands economically is much more important than that.

Here's the good thing.

We have a president that's not actually trying to destroy us.

Yeah, that's true.

I mean, whether you like this policy or not, and when it comes to tariffs, you know that the motivation behind it is to make the country better.

Correct.

And I don't know that that's always the motivation behind these policies when we've seen previous presidents go after them.

Obviously, a lot of Democrats have gone after similar policies.

And I think a lot of times their motivations have been much, much worse.

So at least we've got good motivations behind this.

I mean, I think Trump is looking at this and saying he thinks this is going to work long term.

He thinks he's, I think most clearly, you pointed this out, Glenn, with Panama, with Colombia, most clearly he believes they're going to back down from this eventually and give us concessions.

And I think that's probably the most likely outcome.

It seems to be what's happening with Panama.

Yeah, it seems to be it definitely happened with Colombia.

It does seem to be we are the big boys on the block.

Yes.

And Donald Trump is not only familiar with that fact, but also comfortable with it, unlike other presidents.

He's comfortable with us being the big boys on the block.

He's comfortable with us being the world power.

That's okay in his eyes.

It's okay in my eyes.

It's okay in your eyes.

As long as you don't become a bully.

And see, this is, I mean, listen to what Justin Trudeau said.

Let's go to...

Let's go to

cut

three, please.

And now is also the time to choose Canada.

There are many ways for you to do your part.

It might mean checking the labels at the supermarket and picking Canadian-made products.

It might mean opting for Canadian rye over Kentucky bourbon or foregoing Florida orange juice altogether.

No.

It might mean changing your summer vacation plans to stay here in Canada and explore the many national and provincial parks, historical sites, and tourist destinations our great country has to offer.

He's using this to turn around his own political fortunes, which is infuriating.

Like he's got nothing to do.

He doesn't care at all about any of this other stuff.

No.

He's motivated by his own self-interest here.

So here's cut six, more of Justin Trudeau.

I think Canadians are a little perplexed as to why our closest friends and neighbors are choosing to target us

instead of so many other challenging parts of the world.

I don't think there's a lot of Americans who wake up in the morning saying, oh, damn Canada.

Oh, we should really go after Canada.

You're right.

Why were you targeting us?

Why was

your number two in command that just quit,

why was she targeting people here for

giving to a freedom movement in Canada?

I mean, it's not like you've been our best friend, Justin.

No.

But Canadians, he's horrible.

But Canadians are great.

I love

Canadians and I love Canada.

And Canada Canada should love Canada.

And you should be concerned about

what the state of your country is in.

Look at your immigration problems.

Look at what's happening to your country.

That's what started all of this is the fentanyl that is coming across our borders, both north and south, and the illegals.

Stop it.

Stop it.

And, you know, a great way to stop it is to make sure you stop it at your borders from them coming into your country.

that's that's really what this is about right and that's what's clear here i like you know trump always says like tariffs are his favorite word you've talked to him i know privately on phone calls about this i disagree with him on that right and in but in a way i don't think that's exactly what he means right like tariffs are good in to the extent that they get something else done.

Yes.

Right?

Like they're not good in and of themselves.

They're just taxes in and of themselves.

Yes.

They do raise prices on us.

The calculation, however, however, is

will the pain that is applied to both sides, as Trump has outwardly stated, and it's important to be fair to him.

A lot of people are like, oh, he's not saying this.

He's saying there's going to be pain.

Those are his words.

There's going to be pain on us.

But the calculation is the pain on us is going to be less than the pain on them, and they will give first.

And then he will get what he wants.

outside of the tariffs.

That's the calculation here.

I mean, it is a risky one at times.

And, you know, these, I mean, you could call it a trade war or not.

The bottom line is when we escalate, then they escalate, then we escalate, then they escalate.

You could say it's not a trade war, but kind of is.

I mean, it's a trade competition if you feel more comfortable with those terms.

But the bottom line is...

We believe we're going to win it.

That's what he's saying.

And he believes we're going to win it.

And at the end of the day, we get concessions that improve the country.

The proof's going to be in the pudding on that.

Will it work?

As you point out, it's worked kind of with Panama so far, it seems like.

It's worked kind of with Colombia.

It's going to work with some of these countries.

It's going to be more difficult with a country like China.

I think what we saw in his first term was a renegotiation of NAFTA into which eventually became the USMCA, right?

And that...

Which he still doesn't like.

It was the best he could do.

It was the best he could do at the time.

He's, I guess, not happy with it now

because

you're not allowed to put new tariffs on either one of these countries in that agreement, which he negotiated.

But he wants something better.

I mean, how can we be upset with a president who wants something better for the country?

It's just a question as to whether it works or not.

The guy, you know, the Dallas Mavericks traded Luca Donchas this weekend.

The GM came out and said, you'll have to judge me as to how it turns out.

We will.

We will.

Right.

Congratulations.

We will.

We will.

In fact, we kind of already have.

Well, that one we already have.

That's probably a bad example.

But like, that's exactly what will happen, right?

If this works and he gets something out of it, people will probably be okay with it, even if it is short-term pain.

Generally speaking, though,

the American people only have so much tolerance for that.

And Donald Trump has a finely tuned eye for that type of thing.

And I'm sure he's going to walk that line carefully.

Oh, yes, he is.

Yes, he is.

And like I said, he's not trying to destroy America.

He's trying to save America.

And I know that's a new concept to the American people.

It's kind of like, you know, I'm sure it's new to the Canadians as well.

Cut one.

Here's Donald Trump talking about tariffs on Europe.

Well, you're asking me a question.

Chris, I'm sure you didn't hear,

Am I going to impose tariffs on the European Union?

Do you want the truthful answer, or shall I give you a political answer?

Absolutely.

He wants stuff.

And this is how he gets stuff.

Yeah.

But what does he want?

I mean,

various things from various countries, right?

He wants,

I mean, the big things, he wants an end to the World War II order where we are protecting Mercedes-Benz, allowing Mercedes to come in here and have all kinds of access to our market, and Ford can't.

We don't have that.

We don't have that in Germany.

Why?

Because we wanted to make sure that the German companies could recover and all of the car companies could recover.

You know, the world's just not a great place without another Citron.

So, you know,

that's what that is for.

That's why we did that.

And it never changed.

And it's got to change.

It's over.

It's got to change.

The other thing is that absolutely has to change.

They have to pay their 5%

into NATO.

You got to pay it.

Everyone is in this agreement.

Yeah.

Like, exist with the terms of the agreement in place.

Follow them.

That's not a difficult thing.

We're doing a lot more than everybody else anyway, even if we all pay 5%.

I know.

We're the ones footing the bill.

We're the ones basically running this organization.

The least you can do is get to that, whatever that percentage is.

Yeah.

And that's fine if you don't.

If you don't want to do that, that's fine.

Then the agreement doesn't exist.

And we're not going to,

you know, protect you all the time.

You know, Winston Churchill had to beg the United States to come in because the Americans don't want to be involved in everybody else's business.

We don't.

Our government, our State Department seems to want to.

The military-industrial complex wants to, but the American people don't.

So we're totally fine with that.

Europe.

We don't think that's a good idea for you, but, you know, in time, you'll learn to defend yourself.

And then you'll probably get pissed off at the French and start bombing them, and then we'll be in it all over again.

Again, we don't recommend it, but go ahead.

We're not protecting.

What do you think Justin Trudeau is going to say if we said, oh, well, you don't want to protect your borders?

Okay.

All right.

You want a trade war?

Okay.

Well, I think...

We're done helping your military.

I mean, that's, I mean, we win at the end.

Hopefully you'll never get to that, but we win in the end.

And they have to know that.

Yes, they do.

They have to know that.

They do.

So, I mean, I'm not surprised they're retaliating with 25% tariffs of their own.

That obviously will, you know, there are a lot.

We do send a lot of products to Canada as well.

We are the second largest exporter in the world.

So we do send products to a lot of these countries, and it will burn those companies, and it will hurt at times.

If these things even get into place and we're not even in place yet and I would it be surprising at all if there was a delay of a month while they negotiated no and let me ask you he was just on the phone with Justin Trudeau just a few minutes ago.

Yeah, hung up the phone What's he doing at three this afternoon?

Getting back on the phone with Justin Trudeau.

This is a negotiation.

Exactly.

Negotiation.

You can't get too worked up about it because you don't know where the story ends.

I know.

We have no idea.

We're not the ones negotiating.

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Our negotiator is trying to get the best deal for us.

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He understands it, unlike attorneys who run the rest of the world.

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I'm going to tell you about the

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This is something that was

tucked beneath the political squabbles and the Grammy Knight celebrity nonsense.

It is a story far more important than any of our daily distractions, and it makes me oh so very happy.

And you'll understand why in a minute.

This story pulls the curtain back on who really holds the reins of power in our country.

I want to connect a few dots with you here in the next 40 minutes or so.

We're going to talk about USAID.

We're going to talk about Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and Doge,

the Department of Government Efficiency.

Doge and the Trump team are battling it out with USAID.

Okay.

We cannot let Elon Musk see our books.

We are not giving him...

Really?

You run an aid program.

What's so top secret that you can't let him see it?

This is about control.

Control over the flow of information, over government secrecy.

and yes, control over your tax dollars.

So here's the story in a nutshell.

In case you didn't know, USAID,

the U.S.

Agency for the International Development, had its director of security, Jonathan Voorhees, and his deputy, Brian McGill, placed on administrative leave.

Why?

Because they refused to grant access to security systems and systems containing sensitive personnel files, security clearance information, even classified materials to employees of Doge.

When Voorhees and McGill said, no,

you're not allowed to see any of this, that's when the Doge team threatened to call in the U.S.

Marshals.

The U.S.

Marshals over a bureaucratic disagreement?

No.

Remember, this is about something much, much bigger.

It's about who controls the machinery of the government when it comes to foreign influence, covert operations, and the shadow games our government is playing overseas.

So let's start with USAID.

On paper, it sounds great, right?

The U.S.

Agency for International Development.

They're the folks who help develop countries build schools and fight diseases and support democracy.

First of all,

I don't want to be in that business as a government.

But if you've been paying attention,

history will tell you something else.

It's well known that that USAID has been much more than an aid operation since its inception in 1961.

By the way, can you tell me anything that happened, you know, with the government and oversees things that was good that happened in the 50s and 60s?

Maybe the Peace Corps, maybe the Peace Corps, but I doubt it.

USAID is a covert CIA operation.

They do covert black ops all around the world and their money just comes in and it just, oh it's no, this is aid.

Black hole.

Now this is not a conspiracy theory.

This is historic fact.

In the Cold War, USAID funded cultural organizations and student groups and agricultural projects.

They were covers for intelligence gathering, and they have been accused of everything from influencing elections in foreign countries to helping overthrow governments that didn't align with our interests.

Do you want any country doing that?

Don't we have a big problem with other countries influencing our elections?

How dare they?

Uh-huh.

Black ops.

Do you remember the color revolutions in Europe?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now, don't get me wrong.

I'm not saying that every employee at USAID is a covert operative.

Most, I'm sure, are good, decent people trying to do their jobs.

But the agency has always had a dual identity, part humanitarian, part shadowy extension of U.S.

foreign policy through the CIA.

And that's really the part that I think is interesting here.

Because every nation knows that this is a CIA front, except

the American people.

We don't.

We don't know that, apparently.

We just, no, no, we're good.

You know, it has billions of dollars in black covert money flowing through it.

We just don't know it because those with oversight can't see the records.

President team has just been denied access.

Wait a minute.

Who works for who?

This is an aid thing.

What do you have that is so very top secret?

So here comes Doge.

The Department of Government Efficiency sounds pretty harmless.

Yeah.

Like a bunch of accountants trying to balance the budget.

That's all we're trying to do.

But those who are running black ops know that Doge has two agendas, and the president has made it very clear.

Yes, cut the waste, downsize the government.

But it also has another very specific mission.

Except this isn't a black op.

Again, this mission is right out in the open, where all missions should be.

Their mission is is not only to cut the budget, but to break up the entrenched bureaucracies that have been running Washington like their own personal fiefdoms.

Trump's goal was to drain the swamp, and Doge is supposed to be one of the tools that is headed by Elon Musk to drain that swamp.

Now, I personally like it for a couple of reasons.

Elon Musk is one of the world's greatest minds.

I mean, when he goes into his own companies, he sits with every employee for about five minutes and just says, what are you working on this week?

And if they don't have something that, you know, he feels is like

really moving the company forward, you're not necessary.

You're fired.

He has a knack for cutting waste and making companies more efficient and also coming up with some really good products.

He's a disruptor.

He doesn't do things like everybody else.

He doesn't think like everybody else.

That's his strength.

He disrupts industries.

He challenges the norms.

And he's been on a very public mission to expose and challenge what he sees as government overreach, whether it's with Twitter or X or even the critiques of regulatory agencies.

Now he can come in and he can look at these things and go, wait a minute, this doesn't seem to be exactly, you know, what you're supposed to be doing.

This is different.

This isn't about posting memes and calling out the woke mind virus.

This is about accessing the very heart of the government's covert machinery.

That's what's happening with USAID.

Because it's not about aid programs.

It's all about data.

It's all about networks.

It's all about the hidden fluence,

influence that the U.S.

experts,

you know,

flex all around the world.

including perhaps inside the United States against our own people, but we don't know.

And now for the first time in decades, somebody from the outside of traditional power structures are saying, huh,

what is it you guys do here?

And guess what?

The machine doesn't like it.

The people who have been running that machine also don't like it.

I want you to remember who was in charge of USAID.

Does anybody remember?

Anybody?

Bueller.

Anybody?

Samantha Power.

Now, Samantha Power, she's the wife of the Harvard professor, Obama advisor, and author of the really super important book called Nudge.

How to get people to do what you want them to do without them knowing.

Nudge.

So

the wife of that guy, who I'm sure has nothing to do with nudging or doing anything like that, even though though she was with the Biden or the

Obama administration forever.

She doesn't know anything about that.

This is why John Voorhees and Brian McGill push back.

That's why they're risking their careers to say, no, you can't come in here.

Because they weren't just protecting the files, they were protecting the status quo.

They're protecting a system that has operated in the shadows for decades with little to no accountability to the American people.

And here's where it gets even more fascinating.

The employees at USAID and across the federal bureaucracy aren't just fighting to protect sensitive information.

They are fighting to protect their power.

He's getting into the roots now.

He's opening up.

You know how Donald Trump is kind of like a human hand grenade?

I've said this to his face.

You know, I think you're kind of like a human hand grenade.

What do you mean?

Well, I mean, you're the greatest human hand grenade I've ever seen.

Don't get me wrong.

You just kind of throw yourself into things, and then a wall comes down, and as the dust is settling, everybody goes, wait a minute, what's on the other side of that wall?

That's what's happening.

Except this time, they're not just lobbing grenades in.

They know where it is.

Over the years, we've created this massive administrative state, which is a fourth branch of government that nobody votes for.

Wholly unconstitutional.

No one really controls it.

You notice that the people on Capitol Hill, they're afraid of the intelligence agencies.

Hmm, so who's really boss then?

They operate with a level of secrecy that would make our founding fathers roll in their graves.

This administrative state has been the gatekeeper of information, deciding who gets to know what, both here, at home, and abroad.

Does the president even know?

So when Trump and Musk come knocking, knocking, knocking at the door,

trying to peek behind the curtain, the reaction is swift and fierce.

Because if they succeed,

they'll manage to pull USAID's operations and put it right under direct control of the State Department.

Or even worse, in the public eye, they'll be held accountable for things.

We can't have that.

It will expose decades of covert actions, questionable alliances, the dark side of U.S.

foreign policy that has been hidden under the guise of aid.

It's why the rest of the world hates us.

Think about some of the crazy things we've done in the name of foreign aid.

We've funneled money to warlords in Afghanistan.

We gave money to the Taliban, money to Gaza to prop up Hamas.

We've run guns to the Syrian group ISIS, propped up dictators in Latin America, even funded opposition groups in countries where we wanted regime change, all under

the banner of freedom and democracy.

Again, this is why everybody hates the American government.

Her people see our influence as good and benevolent.

And sometimes I think we are.

Other times, America is anything but.

So in exchange for our tax dollars, we've asked asked countries to change their laws, to accept abortion in places where the people are morally outraged.

We promote transgenderism in their schools.

We tell them that this is the enlightened way to go, otherwise they lose their aid.

We force them to open their markets to multinational corporations that sometimes don't have their best interest at heart.

We conduct military operations on their soil.

You will do it our way.

And yet you don't know anything about it.

Most Americans have no idea because it's all wrapped up in the nice shiny package of humanitarian assistance.

So here's what happens if Doge succeeds.

What happens if Musk and Trump manage to pry open the lid to this operation?

Well,

for once, The bureaucrats lose control of one of their many hiding places.

The intelligence community loses one of its more useful tools.

And the American people might finally get to see just how much of their hard-earned money has been used not to build schools or feed the hungry, but to manipulate foreign governments and maintain our empire of influence.

And here's the kicker.

This isn't about just the past.

It is about the future.

Because if Musk and Trump can break through this wall, it sets a precedent.

It says no part of the government is beyond scrutiny of our elected officials.

And that terrifies people who've been running the show.

So what do we take away?

One,

pay attention.

Stories like these are not bureaucratic squabbles.

This is the battlefront.

This is the battle line right there

that will decide who actually runs the country.

We're going to see more on this, and the intelligence agencies are not going to like it.

So one thing I would take away from this is don't take any news story at face value for a while.

There are many hiding places and those who receive and use dark money for black ops are going to fight back.

Second, ask questions.

Continue to ask questions.

Why does USAID have classified systems that other government officials can't access?

Why is there so much resistance in an aid organization to transparency?

And third, remember the people that are screaming the loudest about protecting protecting democracy are often the ones most afraid of the people actually seeing how the sausage gets made.

So this isn't about USAID, Doge, or even Trump and Musk.

It's about whether you have the right to know what our government is doing with your money.

Stay curious, America.

We will get to the bottom of this.

But we have to be willing to go through the tough times.

Remain determined and vigilant.

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So have you thought ahead of as to what this looks like at the end?

What does all this look like

with the back and forth, with them kind of going after all of this?

What does it look like at the end?

Oh, it looks like a Jason Bourne movie.

I mean, it looks like every James Bond movie, except Tulsi Gabbard, is the one that is, you know, trying to expose it all.

Elon Musk is the secret agent.

I mean, it's,

you know, this is an octopus, and it is going to fight back.

It's Spectre.

I mean, if you watch the

James Bond movies, the last six

with

Daniel Craig,

Spectre is what we're fighting.

It really is.

Watch the James Bond called, I think it's Spectre.

And he infiltrates and hears their board meeting.

It's exactly what is happening.

It's this shadowy group of leaders all over the world who are like, yeah,

we're using everything we have and we about have control of the world through all the intelligence agencies.

It is Spectre.

So, what would I expect?

I would expect

some explosions, maybe a car chase or two.

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So we just told you about USAID and what's going on with Doge.

Now let me tell you something you might have missed: Timber Sycamore with Tulsi Gabbard.

Next.

Welcome to the Clean Back Program.

FBI agents are starting to pack up their desks.

There's fear of FBI mask firings.

Swirl,

that's sad.

Good.

I'm glad.

Benjamin Netanyahu just arrived in D.C.

He said that he's meeting with Trump, and they hope to redraw the lines in the Middle East.

That's an interesting thing.

I think Donald Trump is absolutely headed that way.

The USAID headquarters have been closed.

Thank you, Donald Trump, for that.

And there was something else.

Oh, and Mexico just came out.

They just, the Mexican president just talked to Donald Trump.

And that 25% tariff, well,

that's on hold.

She said, I talked to Donald Trump, and we had a great conversation.

And he put that on hold.

And I'm sending 10,000 troops to the U.S.-Mexico border right now.

So I've got that.

And Justin Trudeau, God bless his soul.

He's going to talk over 3 o'clock this afternoon.

Yeah.

Who's a good little prime minister?

What a joke.

Now, let me tell you about, I just told you about USAID and how that is

a CIA front.

And Donald Trump is going to do two things with Doge.

He is going to...

cut all the bad guys, try to find them.

He may not find all of them, but he's going to find a lot of them.

Oh, did I mention the FBI people

are clearing out their desk, getting ready for a mass fire?

Anyway,

he's going to clean out a lot of the mess and a lot of the black ops that are happening.

And he's also going to cut the budget.

So he's got that going for him.

Now, the left in the deep state,

they're a little freaked out.

If they could have shredders at their disposal 24 hours a day, I don't think there would be a lick of paper left in any of these agencies.

Consider some of the questions that have been swept under the rug

all the way back to Obama.

Let's see.

Consider the American lives that are lost overseas.

Consider the foreign lives lost.

Consider the regimes that have changed and the chaos that's spread all over the world in our names with our tax dollars.

Now consider what Donald Trump's team has pledged to break and uncover.

So if you listen to some of of the confirmation hearings in the Senate, you might hear a little sneak peek at what's to come.

Tulsi Gabbard over on Friday revealed, for many Americans, they don't know about it, it's a clandestine Obama-era program that sought regime change in the Middle East and unloaded over a decade of violence and chaos.

Listen to this.

Senator, as someone who enlisted in the military, specifically because of al-Qaeda's terrorist attack on 9-11 and committing myself and my life to doing what I could to defeat these terrorists, it was shocking and a betrayal to me and every person who was killed on 9-11, their families and my brothers and sisters in uniform.

When as a member of Congress, I learned about President Obama's

dual programs that he had begun really to overthrow the regime of Syria and being willing to, through the CIA's timber sycamore program that has now been made public, of working with and arming and equipping al-Qaeda in an effort to overthrow that regime, starting yet another regime change war in the Middle East.

DOD train and equip program, again, begun under President Obama, is widely been known, looked at, and studied that ultimately resulted in over half a billion dollars being used to train who they called moderate rebels, but were actually fighters working with and aligned with al-Qaeda's affiliate on the ground in Syria.

Hmm, that's weird.

Most Americans have never heard about Obama's timber sycamore.

It's possibly the largest gun running and training operation our little spy agencies have ever pulled off.

How many people died in Syria as a result of this?

How many people died all over the Middle East?

How many terrorists received weapons and training from our government?

Al-Qaeda?

We know that many of those same terrorists now control the government of Syria right now, and the horror show is not over yet.

Why haven't we heard about this?

Why does every school kid know about Reagan and Iran-Contra, but not Obama and Timber Sycamore?

It is because it not only reveals terrorists receiving our training and weapons that we supplied, but it also reveals American lives that have been lost.

We still don't know the full details on what happened in Benghazi.

Why is that?

Why is it that Hillary Clinton and Obama made sure of that?

That wasn't part of some gun-running operation to Syria, was it?

Is this part of the piece of the fallout from Obama's timber sycamore?

Why was the U.S.

ambassador even in Benghazi?

Why was there a State Department annex in such a dangerous place?

And why was it so unguarded?

Why was there a secret CIA substation there?

Why was it kept so low-key?

Why didn't the military respond?

Why were they so quiet and ineffective?

Were they trying to keep Obama and Clinton's little secret hidden?

And all at the cost of four American lives.

Say their names.

They like to say that.

Say their names.

Ambassador Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods, Glenn Dougherty.

They still deserve justice.

We deserve answers.

I just want you to know what's happening in Washington, D.C.

right now

is about cutting the budget,

but it has a dual purpose in everything they're doing.

They are cutting the heart out of the secret ops.

They are exposing what our government is doing.

By moving USAID over to the State Department, USAID can't have that.

I mean, I don't think of the State Department as some place that's clean and has a good agenda.

But apparently, that's being cleaned up as well.

What is it we are going to learn over the next few months?

What is it we are going to see exposed?

It's quite amazing.

It is quite amazing.

By the way,

Sunday, yesterday, Musk wrote that career Treasury officials are breaking the law every hour of every day by approving payments that are fraudulent or do not match the funding laws passed by Congress.

Oh boy, what's this?

Apparently, the Treasury Secretary, the new one,

has allowed the Department of Government Efficiency to gain access to the federal government's payment system.

Okay, wait a minute.

So USAID

won't allow the Doge officials any access to their

aid programs?

But the Treasury is like, yeah, open up the books.

They discovered, among other things, that payment approval officers at Treasury were instructed to always approve payments even to known fraudulent or terrorist groups.

They literally have never denied a payment in their entire career.

Not

once.

So why do you have them?

And why would they be told that?

My gosh, this house of cards is going to come crashing down.

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Welcome to the Glen Back program.

We're glad you're here.

There's a couple of things that are going on that are actually, I think, pretty exciting.

First of all, let's start with Mexico and Canada.

Mexico has just announced that they are

the tariffs have been delayed for a month because they are sending 10,000 boots to the border in Mexico to try to

stop that.

Claudia Steinbaum, who is the president of Mexico, she was very upset over the weekend about that slanderous claim that we have anything to do at all with drug cartels.

I know, Mexico, you are completely clean.

Everybody who says anything about a drug cartel is shot in the head.

You suddenly were one of them that just made it through and

what

you can, you're tough on those drug cartels.

Uh-huh.

It's a great,

great fortune.

It's like Nancy Pelosi's investing.

She's always nailing every stockpie.

I know.

You know, it's just like that.

And congratulations to her.

I mean, it's not like you're in bed with them, I'm sure, you know, by choice.

Well, I mean, actually, you are.

You don't want to die.

But, I mean, you've got that going against you.

Yeah, there's different variations of this.

Some people really are in bed.

Some people are

willing to do as little as needed to stay alive,

which I think is where she stands.

Probably.

Maybe.

I don't know.

But we don't know for sure.

We don't know for sure.

But it's the idea of,

well, I am just shocked by that

slanderous allegation.

Hilarious.

Hilarious.

But also, by the way, we should point out, I don't know if we said it on the air or off the air, actually, but we were talking about these tariffs earlier.

And I said, I don't get worked up about this because who would be surprised if there wasn't a one-month delay before we actually get to these tariffs?

It's exactly what you'd expect from this.

No, you know, tariffs are dangerous to both sides, and that's why they're a useful tool to get what you want, but also why everyone in reality would love to avoid them if it's possible.

And I think, you know, a month here makes a lot of sense.

A delay to see if Mexico steps up and does those types of things that we want them to do.

Why, you know.

Why we fight those cocktails like nobody's

Hi, just a southern bell.

Much further south than you thought.

I think you gave me the vapors in case of the vapors with that.

This is a good outcome.

I mean, the markets have already recovered a good chunk of what they were.

Everybody should relax.

It's not like this is week one of his actual presidency.

We went through four years of this.

Right?

We went through four years of Donald Trump negotiating with foreign powers, saying things that seem shocking to everyone, and then it turning out fine.

So you got to kind of relax a little bit when it comes to this stuff.

Even if you don't like negotiating,

he's negotiating.

And what is he negotiating for?

Well, when it comes to Mexico, I don't know, an end to the drug cartel thing.

What do you say?

You like them, you keep them on your side.

They're not having any influence here in the United States of America.

And if you can't do that, we will kill them.

I think that's pretty.

I would think anybody who's like, well, we don't have a problem with a drug cartel.

Well, if we did, we wouldn't mind you coming in and helping us clean that mess up.

You would think people would be for, I can guarantee you, everyone in the little small towns that are run by all the drug lords, they'd like the United States of America to come in and clean that up.

Very true.

I was doing something for Studios America tonight.

We're going to be talking about this as well.

And I was looking at, you know, I was like looking at quotes from conservatives because, you know, Trump kind of released the statement, anyone who's opposed to tariffs loves China or whatever.

And it's like, you know, again,

it's just another part of the negotiation.

But I was looking back at quotes from Rush Limbaugh on tariffs, and he actually talked about the first round of Trump tariffs.

And listen to this.

He said, Trump is simply trying to level the playing field by tightening the screws on them.

Now, once that starts, once you oppose a tariff policy, which of course conservatives are on paper, are supposed to be universally opposed to because a tariff is nothing but a tax.

And of course, we oppose taxes simply on the movement of goods and services.

But we didn't start it.

And like, so that's kind of a way to a lens to look at this.

Tariffs are something to be opposed generally.

However, in certain areas, especially when they're already putting tariffs on our stuff, if you're trying to level the playing field, they can be useful, especially in a situation like this, like a negotiation where you're trying to get another outcome.

And you know, I have to tell you, if America had a 20% tariff on everything, but we had no income tax, be all right.

I'd be all right with that.

It'd be a flat tax.

Yeah.

On our consumption.

And that's what he talked about in the campaign.

Yeah.

The problem is that.

That's not where he's going.

I mean, I think he would love to go there.

I think he would too.

I think he would be.

There is a bill that has been proposed to repeal the income tax.

Say it again.

Sarah.

Sarah.

No.

Don't.

Come on.

Come on.

Don't do this crumbly thing again, please.

Sarah,

why do you participate in it?

I can see why he would participate in the middle of the morning.

I'm just mixing some cocktails here.

Just

some ladies over.

Hello, Martini music.

I'm going to talk just a little, a little tariff,

no tax talk.

Go ahead.

I don't know where it was.

I've totally lost my train of thought now that you got.

No, he was talking about.

What?

What do you mean that was creepy?

Women have nightmares that begin with that music.

Oh, my God.

It was a dream that Glenbeck was mixing cocktails over holes.

I think, you know, again,

as a negotiation,

that's why he loves them, right?

He doesn't love them because he loves taxes.

He doesn't love them because he loves increasing costs on the American consumer, which

everyone knows that's what happens with a tariff.

At the end of the day, he loves them because it is a blunt instrument that he can use as a negotiation tactic to win other things he wants.

And he did it all throughout his first campaign, his first four years.

And now he's back in, and we're months more.

We're like shocked.

It's the art of the deal.

It's the art of the deal.

He's not going to do that.

He might.

Yeah.

And back 25% with no warning.

You've got two days to implement it.

Sounds crazy.

And then now we've got a month's delay.

And we play this out, right?

That's a good thing.

I mean, at least he's got a plan, unlike most of our other politicians.

I hope he could just put a tariff on

Justin Trudeau.

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So Frank McCourt, best known as the former owner of the Los Angeles Dodgers, has placed a bid in to buy TikTok through a group that he started called Project Liberty.

Project Liberty is, I think, a really good mission.

They are trying to make sure that the data that everybody collects on us is owned by each of us rather than by the tech giants.

And he wants to start this with TikTok.

Welcome to the program.

How are you, Frank?

I'm well, Glenn.

How are you doing today?

I'm good.

I'm good.

So tell me first, I guess we start with Project Liberty.

Explain what you're trying to do with that.

Yeah, so we have

this awesome internet technology, which we all are dependent on now.

It's no longer a nice-to-have, right?

It's a must-have.

And it's evolved into a place that I believe, and those of us involved in Project Liberty believe,

is very bad for

American citizens and for America at large.

And the reason I say that is that

everything about us now is captured

and

scraped

from us and aggregated in

centralized places and

including China in one instance.

And

all of this information about us essentially creates

a virtual version of us that should be owned by each of us, right?

Because

when you have all this information and all this knowledge extracted and

single centralized points knowing about us and can manipulate us and so on and so forth,

that's antithetical to democratic principles, right?

Where individuals have agency and own and control themselves.

So we started this project five years ago, December of 19, to build an alternative

tech stack which would

allow individuals to own themselves, to own their personhood in the digital age, to own their data and to permission its use and to get value for it, quite frankly, because it turns out it's extremely valuable.

So that's what Project Liberty is about.

The TikTok bid is

intended to

really

accelerate the effort.

We've built the tech stack.

It's up and operating.

There's a couple million people using it now, but a couple million people is not an alternative internet.

We need a couple hundred million people.

So I tell you, I have been concerned about this.

And

really,

especially when you look at the power that is being consolidated with just a few individuals and a few companies, the only thing that we have

is our own information.

That's where our power and money comes from, is from our information.

And they've just taken it all from.

We've given it to them.

But it is absolutely time we take it back.

Is that even possible, Frank, to do that?

Yeah,

absolutely possible.

And that's why I committed a half a billion dollars to this project to actually build the technology to prove that it's possible.

And that's up and running.

As I said, we have a couple million people using it now and several apps built on it.

But we need much more than that.

You know, I mean, Glenn, you hit the nail on the head.

I mean, look, if I was the Postmaster General and I said to you, and your listeners,

I have an idea.

I have a deal for everyone.

You can send your mail from now on for free.

No stamps.

You know what I mean?

You send it for free.

You might say, well, okay, what's the deal?

All right.

Well, in exchange, I'm going to put a camera and listening device in every room of your house, in your car, in your workplace, and I'm going to surveil you 24 hours a day.

You'd say, wait a second, that's super creepy.

And I'd say, well, but it's for free.

No more stamps.

Oh, one other thing I have to tell you.

I'm going to open your mail.

I'm going to read it.

And everything I learn, you know, not just where you shop or what food you like to eat or this or that, but

your thoughts, including your most intimate ones, your feelings, including your most intimate one, they're now mine, okay?

So you would say, wait a second, this is creepy and very unfair.

Oh, one other thing.

I'm going to read your 14-year-old daughter's diary.

When I learn she's concerned about her weight, I'm going to push stuff towards her to make her feel worse.

Then I'm going to push stuff towards her to have her buy things because I've made her feel worse.

I'm going to profit from that.

Oh, and while I'm at it, I'm going to teach her, show her how to cut herself, hurt herself,

harm herself, because I've made her feel so bad about herself.

So now you'd say, wait a second, creepy, unfair, and downright harmful.

And that's the internet we have.

It's time to take back ownership of ourselves in the digital age.

We've given up our citizenship.

We've given up our agency.

And, you know, and it's just, it's just, let's fix it.

This is just technology, and we can fix it from the ground up.

And that's what Project Liberty is all about.

And I'm a

go ahead.

I have to tell you, Frank, that

I don't know why we don't care more about this.

I guess people just don't see the problem.

And as I see it, it is truly the loss

of the most important thing, and that is free will.

We're to a point to where it knows us better than we know ourselves, and we can so easily be manipulated because it knows us better than we know ourselves.

And we won't, we're entering a time where we won't know if we voted for somebody because we actually felt that way or that was planted in us or we bought this product because we were steered that direction.

I mean, it is truly the loss of free will.

Again,

nail being hit in the head.

We talk far, far too much about the loss of

free speech and far too little about the loss of free will.

This is highly manipulative technology.

The TikTok issue has brought this to the fore.

It's

grave concerns about having the information on 170 million Americans in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party, and even graver concerns that the Chinese Communist Party would have the ability now to manipulate 170 million Americans.

Is it a little crazy, though,

Frank, that we are sitting here, we're only concerned because it's the Chinese.

We think if anybody else is doing it, I guess it's fine.

If Apple's doing it, if Google's doing it, it's okay.

This is exactly right.

This is why

this TikTok legislation, I think,

is kind of,

it's the so-called tip of the iceberg.

It's bringing the whole...

the whole architecture, the whole architecture of how the internet works to the fore.

People like yourself, and thank you for doing it, are bringing these issues forward so people understand.

And believe me,

I appreciate the difference of our information going to

Beijing versus going to Silicon Valley.

Yes.

But quite frankly, I don't want my information in either place.

I want to own my information.

I want to permission its use, and I want to benefit from it if it's going to

create a lot of economic activity.

Exactly right.

So, Frank, so tell me about the bid that you put.

You've already placed a bid on TikTok, right?

Yes.

And

how is this being received?

How does this, I mean,

I haven't tried to buy TikTok, so I don't have any idea how that even works.

You know, how's it going, I guess?

Do you know if you're in the running?

Yeah, well, definitely in the running.

We don't know if...

Well,

let's take a step backward.

What's going on here, right?

So back in the spring of last year, legislation was passed, a great piece of legislation passed by a strong bipartisan majority in Congress to

force ByteDance, the parent company of U.S.

TikTok, to either shut it down in the U.S.

or

sell the U.S.

assets, the U.S.

platform.

And

so that was legislation that had a

gave ByteDance 270 days to sort that out with one 90-day extension available to them.

So

we put in our bid within that 270 days, and I think we were the only ones to put in a certifiable bid, a bid where we as a buyer can move forward and

not only have the finances in place, but meet most importantly the national security criteria, which was a disentanglement of the Chinese technology from the U.S.

assets being sold.

Because you already have built the platform.

That's exactly right.

And had we not been building this platform, we would not be a bidder because we just coincidentally can solve for this set of national security issues.

And so we saw TikTok

as a wonderful opportunity that

fell in our laps to say, wait a second, we'll buy TikTok, solve the national security issues, move the user base and the data over to this clean Made in America stack, give people ownership and control of their data, and

we've solved a bunch of issues because we've also spun up an alternative to the current internet so people would have a choice.

You and I would have a choice.

Do we go on the internet where we're surveilled 24-7 and we give up everything about us for free?

Or do we go on a different internet and we permission the use of our data and we're in charge of ourselves we own ourselves and we get value to me I

believe you know people will flock to this new internet because they'll have all the benefits that you currently have

ease of use and be able to order things and have them delivered to your house and be entertained and communicate with people but you'll be doing it from a position of power and where the power will be in the individual's hands, not in a centralized platform's hands.

This is, by the way, when I wrote the book, Our Biggest Fight, I used the American Project as my framing device because it's so ironic that 250 years ago, we were doing the same thing, which was taking rights from a single centralized power, a monarch,

and saying, no, no, no, we're citizens, born with these rights, right?

But became inalienable rights, and we want to be citizens, not subjects.

Why in the world would we become allow ourselves to lose our citizenship in the digital age just to get free free apps.

It's nuts.

Yeah, I mean, every word you say gets me excited because I've been waiting for somebody to do this.

But for some reason, I think, yeah, but what's the other shoe that's going to fall?

Why, I mean,

what are you facing?

What are the giants that maybe you're facing that would stand in the way of this?

Well, I think the incumbents are

the ones who are benefiting from our data and have built this

soul-sucking, data-sucking machinery

are the ones that are going to resist the change because they're profiting mightily.

And look, I'm a capitalist.

My family's been building infrastructure for 131 years.

I'm all for people making money.

And

I love the America that my family helped build, literally build.

But I don't like seeing money be made at the expense of American citizens.

As you say, we're losing our free will and

our ability to get along with each other.

I mean, we don't even have an information ecosystem right now where we can tell fact from fiction, right?

We just are in this never-never land where if you destroy trust and faith in your fellow

American,

your fellow human being, then we've lost it all.

I mean, America is built on a belief in the worth, number one, the worth and dignity of every human being and the fact that they're born equal and

the ability of human beings being in a better position than centralized

government, some monarchy or some centralized government to make decisions for us, right?

That's why we started self-governance, right?

Because

it's the power of the individual.

That's where the agency should be.

And for it to matter, we have to respect it in other people.

That's the so-called social contract.

And then give people power and we can govern ourselves.

And we're rapidly losing that ability

to self-govern and to have agency because of how this technology works in a highly centralized way.

I would have to believe that

Elon Musk would understand this and be a supporter.

And I would imagine Donald Trump would be a supporter.

Do you have the connections?

Are you working with the administration on this?

Yeah, we have

Kevin O'Leary

called me.

He's the Shark Tank guy,

and he said, look, I talked to all the potential bidders.

You're the only one that really has a solution to the technology, and I want to join your bid.

And I said, come on in.

This is the people's bid for TikTok.

This is bigger than TikTok, right?

It's changing how the Internet works.

And

Kevin has a great relationship with millions and millions of small businesses in America because he's been doing Shark Tank now for 17 years.

And I said, come on in.

We want small businesses.

We want everybody involved in this.

And I mentioned Kevin because

he's been kind of hanging out at Mar-a-Lago and making sure the President knows exactly what we're doing.

And I've talked to a number of people in his administration about what we're doing.

There's no secrets here, Glenn.

We want to be totally transparent where we believe this is

I called the book our biggest fight for a reason, right?

We believe this is the issue of our day, to reclaim what's ours, to reclaim our data.

It is our personhood.

When your listeners hear the word data, it's kind of like, eh, who cares about data, right?

It just is, it's one of those terms that what does it mean?

Think of every time you hear the word data,

I want you and your listeners to think of personhood.

Your person, your virtual you.

It is you.

Why would in the world would we let anyone else own us?

It just, I can't emphasize this enough.

Let's reclaim what's ours and then

restore trust and integrity in the internet.

And then let's go build a more powerful version with generative AI.

But I'm very concerned about taking a broken internet that exploits people and making it more powerful until we fix the core infrastructure.

Once we fix the core infrastructure so that individuals benefit, then let's make it more powerful and better for people and let people benefit from it financially as well.

I think we could have a beautiful future without so much concern and anxiety and skepticism about the technology if we fix the core infrastructure.

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So, Frank, is there anything the average person can do to help this along?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, and by the way, I just heard your ad,

and it's interesting.

We need

moral voices involved in this, faith leaders and so forth.

I had the privilege of just

having an audience with

Pope Francis just eight days ago in the Vatican, and the Vatican is very,

very interested in this project because it actually operationalizes what the Pope has been writing about and speaking about now for several years, which is the harms of the current of current internet technology and social media.

And

I think we could all agree on that.

And so I think that shows me that this idea is resonating,

which is great.

To your question about,

I think we all need to get engaged in this because, you know,

look, I'll do what I can,

but no single person

can win this fight.

This is going to take an army of people insisting on a better internet.

And

I would start by asking people to go to projectliberty.io

or to thepeople'sbid.com and learn about what we're doing.

And there's plenty of ways there to be easy to engage, and people will be happy

to respond to questions and engage you in the project in ways that you think you can be, your listeners think they can be helpful.

We need you.

Frank, thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

We're going to be looking into it.

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Well,

the administration has pushed the top FBI brass out of the Bureau in the latest shake-up.

It looks like Cash Battelle is going to be the Bureau's next director, which I am so excited about.

So excited.

It's going to be big.

Yeah.

It's a lot of chaos.

And I feel like we need a return to normalcy candidate in 2028.

And I'm going to say it right now, Joe Biden.

Wow.

I think he runs again in 28, and we get him back in there to return us to normalcy.

I mean, I think, do you think, I mean, mean, he won't be exactly young in 2028.

He'll be four years older, which will make him 160.

Something like that.

I can't remember.

But anyway, I mean, Kamala.

She still hasn't decided what she's going to do.

I know.

She might run.

She might run.

She's just wondering if people are interested right now.

She might run.

You know who else is considering a run?

Who they say is,

you know, it's possible.

Think of this.

President Fetterman.

I don't think it would work.

Now, I will say, the Federman regime, if you will, in that seat has been much better than I would have thought it would have been.

Of course, his voting record still sucks.

Yeah.

But he does.

That approach for the Democrats would be smart.

I don't think he's the right person to execute it on a national election basis.

You don't think?

No.

I don't think he's quite the guy.

We could see him negotiating with world leaders.

I'm sure that would go well.

I would.

He's had a few good comments on a few topics, which is more than I expect from the average democracy.

You know what's weird is

as he recovers from the brain damage, he seems to become more and more conservative.

Could it have been...

I mean, I'm just saying.

I'm not saying that that's, you know,

what causes people to become more conservative.

Not saying it.

But I'm not not saying it either.

Yeah.

I don't think he would be the guy.

Who do you think would be the guy?

Who's the or gal, of course?

Guy or gal or any one of the other 94 genders that you could come up with.

Wow, you're limiting.

I'm limiting.

If you had to pick one who's the favorite right now to be the 2028 Democratic nominee,

who would it be?

JD Vance.

Really?

I think they might even go.

Screw it.

Just nominate him.

It's interesting.

I think I would probably say at this point, Josh Shapiro.

If the way the election went down benefited anyone, I think it was him.

It won't be.

It won't be.

It won't be.

Because

he's Jewish.

Well, that's one thing.

That does seem to be a problem with that party.

But also,

look at they just...

Look what they just put in the DNC this weekend.

David Hogg.

I mean, that doesn't seem

zero.

Nothing.

They have no idea what to do here.

But I mean, if you think about the way that election went down, everyone said, why would they pick Tim Walls of all people?

It's a terrible choice.

They should have gone with Josh Shapiro.

And everyone was like, well, the problem with that was the Hamas wing of the party was not excited about that pick.

That is true.

It is true.

That's exactly what happened.

I mean, precisely what occurred.

Yeah, it's amazing.

But I think there is the possibility, right,

that they might look at this and say, well, we didn't go with him and we lost.

And the Federman sort of instinct of the party, thinking that Federman might be a good choice, highlights the idea that maybe if they can come to sensibility on a couple of bigger issues, and Shapiro would probably be a lot better than Israel than most people in the Democratic Party these days.

Maybe like they can latch on.

I mean, I think the impression that we have of John Fetterman right now on the conservative side of the aisle is a bit dangerous because he is a liberal.

He is still a Democrat.

He is still voting 90-something percent with Joe Biden.

He is prominently and in an outspoken way good on one or two things.

And that has,

I can give you other examples of how that has persuaded Republicans to completely change their mind in a matter of months.

You saw one going for the HHS secretary role recently.

Remember, even Donald Trump himself was calling him a left-wing lunatic in April.

We tend to do this with actors a lot.

You know, they say one or two conservative-ish things and we're like, we love you.

We're so starved for it.

We are just...

We are that pathetic,

that pathetic kid with glasses that has the tape.

Yeah, on the side of the dance, and no one's coming over.

Nobody's coming over.

All of a sudden, a girl sort of trips and says, Oh, sorry, and touches your shoulder.

And you're like, Oh my god,

she loves you.

She loves me.

She's changed my life.

We go down that road often.

And I do worry that.

I mean, look, I don't think that a lot of Republicans are going to vote for Josh Shapiro.

But, like, the thing is, can you get somebody in the middle who may have

Donald?

Who's never going to go for that?

They're not going to go for it.

Who's not going to go for it?

Democrats.

The machine, the DNC will never go for it.

I mean, they have high, they have had Democrats who are

in comparison pro-Israel before.

That's occurred.

So, I mean, it's not...

When?

Well, I mean, Joe Lieberman?

Joe Lieberman is an example.

25 years ago.

He is an example.

25 years ago.

But I mean, even compare someone like Hillary Clinton to what they're rolling out there now.

Kamala Harris?

Hillary Clinton looks like

she was from a Republican think tank on Israel compared to

AOC and the batch of people they're churning out these days.

I mean, in the middle of all the Hamas protests at college campuses, Hillary Clinton went on the view and explained Israel to them in actually a completely rational way, like the right story about Israel.

Now,

does she really believe that?

My argument would be no, she certainly doesn't believe the policies that I believe, but she's way better than what they're churning out these days.

I think she actually does believe that, but she sold that one out as soon as it became unpopular.

When she had power, like when she had power, she was going the opposite direction.

But I think, you know,

she was actually, I always, and we could bring that up.

I think we played it at the time.

It was like, huh?

Who said that?

Hillary Clinton said that?

It's, you know, I do think that there is a

small slice of rational thought in the Democratic Party that still sort of exists.

Fetterman's the most prominent example of it on that issue.

It's only that issue, unfortunately.

So that's a problem.

But I think they're not going to do, they won't.

You don't think.

You can't get through a primary without you think.

Unless, no, no way.

Unless you own that person and everybody knows we got him.

Kind of like, it'll be kind of like a thing of, he's going to return us to normalcy.

No, he's not.

He has no control over his bowels, let alone his opinions.

He's looking for digestive normality.

Right.

He'll do anything because he wants the power.

It has to be, you know, they'd have to have something on Shapiro, I think.

They'd have to have something over him like, you will do what we say.

It seems like they usually do.

It does.

It does seem like that.

So, I don't know.

But he'd be the only one.

I mean, you think Tim Walls is getting that gig?

No.

Kamala?

No.

I don't think they look at Kamala like, oh, she was great and just got a raw deal.

I think they look at her as someone who could have won and didn't.

She's going to be the governor.

Ready?

She's going to be the governor of California.

100%.

I think that is the next step for her.

That's what she's going to do.

And you deserve it, California.

Oh, you deserve every little bit of it.

You vote her in.

You deserve every bit.

We're like, how can we do worse than Gavin Newsom?

And it's like, well, we could go with Kamala.

We could consider Karen Bass for governor.

That's one way of going.

You could try that out and see if she could burn the entire state down instead of just her city.

I don't know.

Is Lennon still alive?

Can we get him?

No, he's

really that whole tomb in Boscow is.

All right.

That's sad.

Yeah.

Do you think Gavin Newsom completely done after what happened in California?

No.

I don't either.

You know, I've talked to other conservatives about this, and they're like, oh, finally, he's toast.

And I think there's a good chance that that's possible, but I put nothing.

I mean, who's about to be the next mayor of New York City?

Andrew Cuomo.

Yes.

Andrew freaking Cuomo.

He's murdering their senior citizens.

And he's like, put me in charge.

I'll nail this thing.

It's incredible.

And they're like, yeah, yeah.

He's winning the primary polls by a lot.

Of course he is.

Of course he is.

Of course he is.

And that's what Democrats do.

They rehab these people and they'll put them in another role.

I mean, you could definitely.

I wouldn't put it past his brother to go back on CNN now that he's so conservative.

Yeah.

And he'd be the new conservative.

Yeah, he'd be the new conservative voice.

He's the voice of common sense.

I can't tell if I would be, I mean, I would be absolutely losing my mind on this show every day if these things happen.

If he becomes mayor and, you know, Chris Cuomo, I think he has a job.

He's going to become mayor.

I think he is.

Yeah, why do you say if...

He hasn't even announced his run yet, but it's happening.

It's going to happen.

It's going to happen.

I just, you know, I'm allowing for.

I'd put money down on that one.

Don't you think, though, there's he does have a lot of opposition in New York, like among Democrats who don't like him.

And there's a chance that, you know, more scandals come out.

I definitely don't believe we know the extent of his illegal activity, that I promise you.

My belief is that we do not know the full extent of his illegal activity.

My guess is...

What do you mean, in killing old people?

Well, no, we only, well, we know some of that.

Who knows how many other people he killed outside of the COVID years?

We don't know that for sure.

I mean, you don't really think.

Yeah, no, I definitely, that seems crazy.

Can you imagine that he would ever do such a thing?

He seems like an upstanding individual.

I mean, it's really kind of offensive.

The question you have to ask.

What is it you're saying about Cuomo?

Like he's a mobster sending people to sleep with offices.

Ah, forget about it.

With Andrew Cuomo, the question you have to ask yourself,

did he commit a crime?

There's only one question.

Would it have benefited him in any way?

And then you know the answer every time.

If the answer is yes, then the game, then the answer is yes.

That's that's how you know.

If it would have benefited him, of course he committed the crime.

I like a little chart on this because if the answer is no,

it doesn't benefit him.

Is it always no?

No, or there's questions

because he's still, I think he'd still commit crimes just for the pleasure of it.

Right, okay.

I think that's possible as well.

Okay, but that's a perfect mayor for New York.

A A perfect one.

They deserve every little bit of that that they get, especially after seeing this in Albany and then choosing it anyway.

Like, you deserve everything you get.

Gavin Newsom.

I mean, could Gavin Newsom have had a more slimy rise to the top than he had?

Every single thing that's happened to California, the people who voted for him, at least in California, because we always get emails from people like, help me.

I'm in California and I'm conservative.

We're telling you, move.

I would say get out as fast as possible.

The call is coming from inside the state.

California is too liberal for Mark Zuckerberg.

Even Zuckerberg is leaving.

I got to tell you, I'm very concerned about Hollywood moving here, Zuckerberg moving here.

I don't like it.

It might be time for Texas to wall off.

That whole area of Texas.

Just wall it off.

So

a wall on the southern border and the northern border?

Yeah, no, no, no, no.

I just say we wall off Austin.

Okay.

So let them all land.

It would be like

West Berlin situation.

You have to go in the middle of the country to land.

Right, you can land, but there's no gate on those walls.

You have to take a plane to get out.

Okay.

And they can airdrop supplies.

Yeah, absolutely.

We've seen that happen before.

We're not going to, but somebody could.

Maybe New York City.

And Austin, like great food.

It's got great things.

There's some great things things there.

Because

liberalism is needed

to balance.

We'd be a very boring world if it was just conservatives.

We'd all be working.

That's all we'd do.

We'd not be like efficient members of society.

Moving along to the best,

the world's best interests.

It would be terrible.

There'd be nobody to avoid when you approach the stoplight.

You know what I mean?

As you're approaching the stoplight and you're seeing the guy and he's coming to your car and you know he's going to ask.

That wouldn't be happening if we were all conservative.

It sounds great.

Well, kind of sounds like it's important.

It's important.

Yeah, they're good at the arts.

You know, they're good at entertaining.

There are good considerations.

He's a clown to me.

Yes, you're a clown to me.

But it's an important clown.

It's an important clown.

Like, I mean, this is going to sound dismissive to the arts, but it's like if you're

pursuing

me dismissive, if you're pursuing something

with a maniacal focus,

that leads to you kind of standing up and reciting lines that someone else wrote, you know, maybe that's not the most productive activity, so it should be assigned to the left.

Now, that's not to say there's not great conservatives doing that.

And I love movies.

Right.

But like, what is a movie to me?

It's a waste of time, right?

Like, I watch it, it's great.

I kill a couple hours.

I would have to agree.

You're right.

You're right.

And of course.

But it's important.

Because sometimes we want to waste time.

Yes.

I agree.

I agree.

So

we could have

14, 15.

Yeah, well,

and then they can digitally send us their movies.

It's fine.

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Wow, the FBI agents are just packing up their desks

and

good.

I'm glad.

I'm really glad.

Because what Donald Trump is coming in to do is change the culture because the culture was sick and quite honestly, too unconstitutional for me.

If you sat there that whole time, maybe you were thinking, I'm just going to hold out until sanity returns, I'm going to keep my head low.

Maybe that was the right thing to do.

But if you were participating in any of that, if you think, well, he's going to fire me now, good.

Leave.

Save us trouble.

Leave.

But he is taking, he's taking all of it on.

I mean, every single horn or every single bull that he needs to take by the horns, he's taking it.

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