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We're glad you're here.

Kelly Shackleford is with us.

He's the president and CEO and chief counsel of First Liberty University, University, which is something that is well worth your time and your support.

You can find him at firstliberty.org.

But Kelly is here to talk to us.

You know, Wednesday night, I did a special, or Wednesday night special on why Biden's final move is to destroy the Supreme Court.

It is so transparent, and yet everything that they're saying they're protecting

the

Republic from is exactly what they're doing and why they're changing the Supreme Court or trying to.

Kelly, welcome to the program.

Hey, thanks, Glenn, for having me on.

Yeah, you're right, by the way, on that.

Transforming the Supreme Court into another partisan body would destroy the independence of the judiciary, and we would all lose our civil liberties.

And that's what they want.

I mean, that's why this is coming out at this point.

And

people, I think, are not paying enough attention to it because they just think, oh, this won't happen.

This is the number one goal of their base.

If you asked them if they could get anything if they got back into office, what would it be?

They would say to get rid of this court because that's the only thing that has been standing in their way.

And that's why this is being trotted out now because people will say, well, you can't do this stuff they're asking you to do.

It would take a constitutional amendment.

Well, yeah, they're not going to do it between now and the election, but this is the thing that excites their base.

And guess what will happen if they win?

This is exactly what will happen.

Then they'll have the power to do these things.

So, Kelly, I talk to people all the time, and they're like, yeah, but you know what?

They're just empowering Donald Trump.

This court has just laid waste to any restrictions on the president when, in my opinion, and I'd love to hear your analysis of this, that is the exact opposite of what the Supreme Court has been doing.

They are trying to reduce the power of the president.

True or false?

Yeah, well, look,

on that point,

they're all upset on the presidential immunity decision.

I mean, really, they're trying to destroy the court because they don't like just a couple of decisions that they're really upset about.

Like, that's a great reason to go back and change the Constitution on areas that have not been changed since the beginning of our country, right?

But take the immunity thing.

Yeah, does the immunity decision give some protections to the President?

Yes, it does.

But you have to have some protections.

If not, then let's get some DAs in conservative counties across the country to start bringing criminal charges against Biden for negligent homicide for the 13 soldiers who died in Afghanistan because of negligence.

Or

let's go after Obama for bombing innocent people, which would be negligent homicide.

I mean, you can see you've got to have some immunity for the president in his official duties.

or else you could, you know, you could criminalize everything.

But it can't be absolute, or then the president can do what they want.

And that's exactly what the court laid out.

They laid out, but I think most scholars had always agreed, you can't start having local DAs bring criminal charges.

We've seen with Trump the kind of crazy stuff that was going on in New York.

And

it would just lay waste to our country if we allowed that.

So, I mean, what the court did was, I think if it wasn't Donald Trump, I think, you know, you wouldn't have this sort of outrage.

But, but I tell you,

just that alone, you know, that's one of the constitutional amendments.

They're going to change the Constitution.

And I'll tell you what's really scary, though, and this is what people don't pay attention to, Glenn, is what they can do with just a majority vote.

If Kamala were to win and they were to have the House and the Senate, which if she were to win, they very well might have all three.

All it takes is a majority vote to pack the court.

Add four justices, five justices, ten justices, however many they want.

This is exactly what the base wants.

Kamlo was asked,

are you open to court packing?

She said, absolutely open.

Her director of communications for the last year has been a guy by the name of Brian Fallon.

Brian Fallon is the head of Demand Justice, the most radical pro-court packing group in the country.

So this is where they're going, and this could happen as easy as a majority vote.

if they get power over all three branches.

And I think this is what they want because the constitutional amendments are way too hard to get through.

So they're going to be pushing through court packing.

And then they can, people will think they have rights at that point.

They won't.

Your rights will be gone because whatever right you think you have, they can just add justices until they get enough to take that away.

This is the last thing

in Venezuela.

Yeah, this is the last thing a dictator does before he takes complete control.

The other thing, so they were mad about Donald Trump and the immunity thing, but then they stretched it into, and just clear this up,

they stretched it into he could murder people.

He could just, he could say to, and I love this example from Joy Reed because it's exactly what Biden did.

He could just tell the NSA, hey, we think

he's a spy.

And so they would just come up with all kinds of stuff to make him look guilty.

And then when he went to another country, he could have him assassinated.

Okay.

Yeah, just ridiculous.

Can they do that?

Ridiculous.

Why?

Why is that ridiculous legally?

Because what the court said was that in the core constitutionally required duties of the president

that they're protected.

So if they send people into war or if the type of things that are in the Constitution, the idea that is there's some sort of official duty of the president to murder their opponents

is ridiculous.

I mean, and it just shows how silly they're going to be.

Now, this is the first case, case, so there's going to be more cases.

We haven't had this before because we've never had parties trying to criminalize politics and trying to make, you know, bring criminal suits against people that are baseless to try to attack people and for political reasons.

This is a new, you know, really low in our country.

When you criminalize politics, you're getting very dangerous as far as where your country is going.

And so, but I tell you, we've we've got Glenn's stuff on I mean, a lot of people don't understand kind of the history of this.

They started on this.

As soon as Biden came in office, they had a commission to, quote, reform our Supreme Court.

And they have been pushing lots of money.

Just last week, the Washington Post announced a new $30 million gift coming from one of their donors that is going to try to get this over the line.

And if people want info, I mean, obviously, they can always go to firstliberty.org and they can get there.

But there's also a special site we set up just for the court packing and the attempts to really transform the Supreme Court into a political body.

It's called SupremeCoup.com, and it has all the data.

It has memes you can send out to kind of educate your friends.

Just this is something we've got to talk about or we need to kill this.

Like right now, 67 to 70% of the country doesn't want any of this stuff if you ask them right.

But most of the Democrats do because they don't like the court, you know, the Dobbs decision.

They don't like the immunity decision.

And they're willing to destroy the court over this.

But if we educate people, even on the Democratic side, and they understand what this will do, the history of Venezuela and these other countries and how you lose your country when you do this, we can move them.

We move them in the polling

in a couple of years in the campaign when they first tried to push this through.

We have got to talk about this in the elections.

We've got to force the candidates to answer this question.

This is too, this is our treasure.

This is our rule of law, our freedoms.

And again, what they're pushing right now is their number one core thing that they really want in the base.

And this is why Biden's bringing it out in the speech this week, the proposals, Kamala saying she agrees, is because they want their base excited.

And if they win, they're going to follow through on that.

And again, it just takes a majority vote to pack the court.

And once you do that, you're done as a country.

Okay, so, Kelly, one last thing.

I said at the beginning that they are trying to, the Supreme Court has been signaling with their recent decisions that they are trying to cut back the

power of the administration.

So, I mean,

I always say to people, if you're afraid of the next president, you know the Constitution is out of balance because the president should not have any power to come after you or be an obstacle or

an enemy in your own life.

If you're afraid of Biden or Trump, it's because the Constitution is out of whack.

And they have been trying to cut back this bureaucratic state.

And that's the other thing that bothers them so much because they can't just rule by dictate.

No, you're right.

I mean, what you're saying is true.

It's the exact opposite of what they're saying, right?

If they subjugate the court to a political body, in other words, they can control.

They can can just put justices on.

They can change all these things.

They can have, quote, ethics rules where they control the court through that.

The only protection of the people against, let's say a party has the executive branch and the legislative branch, the only protection is the judiciary.

But if it's gone,

you're now into tyranny.

And this is why in 1936 and 37, when FDR tried this, And even though the Democrats had 80 of the Senate seats, I mean, they had overwhelming control.

The country was averaging 1,200 letters a day into the Senate saying, this is tyranny.

How dare you?

And not only could they not get it through, the Senate sponsor in the Senate died of a heart attack.

And in the next election, they lost massive numbers of seats because America understood if you subjugate the judiciary underneath the legislature and executive branch, you're in danger.

I mean, you've lost your republic, your constitutional republic.

And they're so bloodthirsty over these decisions they don't like that they're willing to do that.

The only thing they don't control is the court, and it would do exactly the opposite of what they're saying.

It would give the executive massive power and the legislature to do what they wish.

I think if we had an honest press that would point out, I mean,

they've been bold with their lies before.

They've been very, very bold.

But to describe what they're fighting against and having it exactly what they're fighting for

is astonishing.

And without a real free press that is protecting the people and looking out for their interests instead of a party's interest, I'm not sure you'd get those letters to Congress or those emails to Congress now because we are uneducated on our own system of government and half the country just swallows these unbelievable lies.

Yes, it was unbelievable.

I mean, I'll tell you an example of that.

You're right.

I was on C-SPAN yesterday to talk about this, and the calls coming in were just unbelievable.

One of the callers called in and said, well, the reason we should get rid of this Supreme Court is because they allowed Trump to stay on the ballot.

And

I said, the last time we took somebody off the ballot in this country was Abraham Lincoln taken off of 11 ballots right before the Civil War.

I said, you're complaining of a decision by our current Supreme Court that was 9-0.

And yet that is the justification for us to get rid of the United States Supreme Court and our constitutional freedoms in the process.

People are not talking about this.

They look at this as like a political move by Biden between now and the election.

But the reason it is their main political move is because if they win, this is what their base wants.

And we've got to educate people.

We've got to force people out.

Kama needs to be asked, you know, and Trump, and he'll answer it, it, I think, the right way.

But Kama needs to be asked, are you in favor in court packing?

She can't answer that question because if she does, she'll scare the country if she says yes.

And if she says no, the base will be furious because that's what they're planning to do.

Kelly Shackleford, president, CEO, chief counsel of First Liberty Institute.

These guys have been on the front line.

A lot of the good changes that have come in the last few years.

I believe First Liberty has led the way.

Firstliberty.org, what is it?

Is it court coup, did you say?

Supremecoup.com.

Supreme Coup.

Supreme Coup.

Yep.com.

Thank you so much.

By the way, not all of us are French favorites.

May I just say, may I just say you should spell it C-O-O as well, just, you know, just

for the people who don't know.

All right.

Thank you so much, Kelly.

Appreciate it.

Thanks, Gwen.

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All right.

So let's get into some sound here that we just want to

cover here just a little bit.

Let's start with Corine Jean-Pierre

about the plea deal on 9-11 that everybody is so happy about.

Let's let those people not get the death penalty.

What did they do?

They only killed 3,000 people.

Here's Corine Jean-Pierre.

And does he have a message to some of the 9-11 families who wanted to see a full trial, who wanted to see this kind of come to a fuller process?

So look, this is basically

what Jake said.

This is something that we had no involvement in.

He didn't have any involvement in.

And so

the White House played no role in this process.

And the President directed his team to consult as appropriate with officials and lawyers and Department of Defense, obviously.

And

we have said this before.

Our hearts go out to the families who lost the loved ones

on that day.

And, you know, the president of 9-11 has honored them every year and the families who, again, who lost their loved one on that terrible day.

Okay, all right.

Well,

I feel like they've got things under control there at the White House.

Now, Joe Biden is

there on the tarmac waiting for the American citizens imprisoned in Russia.

And Biden is there, and he spots a cute little girl.

Oh, God.

Cut two.

You all know we have a tradition in the Biden family.

We sing happy birthday on your birthday.

Ready?

All of you.

Happy birthday to you.

Happy birthday to you.

Happy birthday, dear Mary Ann.

Happy birthday to you.

Remember, no serious conversations.

Dating fights.

Yeah, that's right.

She's also his daughter.

I love you.

Oh, isn't that great?

Hugging her, giving her a little kiss, keeping her close.

You know what I mean?

Hey,

no serious dating until you're 30.

I'm not interested after 30.

So we had that going on.

Now,

in

this hostage release, what was really nice was Joe Biden said, you know, Donald Trump couldn't have gotten this deal done.

He wouldn't have done this.

You know, I got Putin on the horn and we made a deal.

Well, let's talk about that here for a second.

There's a couple of things that are wrong with that.

First of all,

why do you think Putin got on the phone with you right at election time?

Do you think he's for Donald Trump or is he for you being president?

So he's making a deal which makes you look good.

What does that tell you?

Does that tell you that Putin is afraid of you?

No, he's doing PR for you.

He wants the Biden administration, not the Trump administration.

Hello, gingong.

Also, you did make a deal and it was lousy for us.

Why is it?

They got more than we got.

Well, why?

Because you're desperate.

You're desperate, that's why.

And he knows that.

And he wants to play into the political narrative here in America.

Okay.

So now,

when he's on the tarmac, Kamala has her first unscripted moment in the last couple of weeks.

They're talking to her in Biden, and he's just standing there like, I have no idea what she's saying.

And they say, you know,

any comments on what's about to happen?

And here's what Kamala says, 21, please.

This is just an extraordinary testament to the importance of having a president who understands the power of diplomacy and understands the strength that rests in understanding the significance of diplomacy and strengthening alliances.

This is an incredible day.

What did she just say?

It's one of her circular.

Oh my gosh.

By the way, Glenn, that is, I believe, officially the first question she's been asked.

I may have missed something.

I know RuPaul asked her a couple questions, so I'm not counting those, but I'm saying from a reporter, and I believe it was, how do you feel about this amazing thing that happened?

But she, that's, I believe, the first question she's been asked, and it was the easiest question imaginable.

Basically,

compliment yourself, and she's still, she's still blew it.

We got to get her.

You just got to get her on, you got to get her in front of these cameras.

As soon as people see this,

this little boomlet goes away.

I tell you,

I have a real problem with you, Stu, because you're so racist.

She's still reeling from President Trump,

saying, I thought she was an Indian.

And everybody in the press, and they know what they're doing.

They are taking and twisting his words.

He's not saying she wasn't black.

He was making a comment of, wait, but she never called herself black until this point in the election.

And then when she needed the black vote, she said, oh, I'm black.

Here she is, Kamala Harris, 2019, cut 22.

Okay.

It's an Indian recipe.

Yes, because you are Indians.

Yes.

Okay.

And I don't know that everybody knows that, but I find that wherever I go and I see Indian people at the supermarket, on the street, everyone's like, you know, Kamala Harris is Indian, right?

It's like our thing we're so excited about to have you running for president.

Yeah.

So we're both Indian, but actually we're both South Indian.

Yes.

You look like.

Wait, wait, hold on.

Can we?

We need to stop and address one thing here.

What Mindy Kaling just said has never occurred.

Never, ever, one time in her life did this incredibly famous person who is on one of the most beloved sitcoms of all time have someone walk up to her and say, Did you know Kamala Harris was Indian?

That story never,

ever,

ever occurred.

That is complete nonsense i just want to at least get that on the record okay uh next here's kamala harris in 2020 she's not black she's indian listen today on august 15th 2020 i stand before you as the first candidate for vice president of the united states of south asian descent

okay now nobody's nobody is not nobody is saying she's not black Okay, yes, she's black.

She's Indian.

She's half black.

She's half Indian.

We know how science works.

You're the ones confused about what's a woman.

So we got it.

Her dad was black.

Her mom was Indian.

Even Don Lemon.

When she started saying that she was black, he was starting to be offended because he's like, you know, she's calling herself African-American.

Listen, this is Don lemon

black woman okay that's why i agree with that i agree with that but is she african american no no no no no no no but is she african american there's a difference there's nothing wrong with that no one is trying to take anything away from her

lineage i think you're falling i think you're falling into a trap with that all she had to do was say i am black remember how much trouble he got in for that she's not african american no she's not she's jamaican indian

and there's nothing wrong with that nothing wrong with that except she uses it to play on constituents.

That's the only thing Donald Trump was saying.

He's not questioning who she is.

We all know who she is now, but she said she was Indian when she was needing the Indian vote, and then she's black when she needs the black vote.

She's both.

Yeah, and

the way please.

It's so bad.

The way he actually said it was, and, you know, she turned black a couple years ago.

And like, they are so dishonest that they're acting as if they think he thought she just turned black like a literal statement now they know exactly what they're doing but it's amazing as well this is coming from the same people who say you can change races based on just saying it right like i know they should be this is like the rachel dole is all thing if it was literal they would be supporting it right if she just was indian her whole life and just said she was black they would then say she's now black.

But because Donald Trump made the point in a critical way, all of a sudden that's not possible.

It's racist to even suggest.

I know.

I know.

So I would like to suggest that she's not only Jamaican Indian,

black,

but she's also Southern because, you know, she was raised in Berkeley.

That's Southern California, isn't it?

Which explains her speech this week with a Southern accent.

26.

And you all helped us win in 2020, and we're going to do it again in 2024.

It's Hillary all over again.

That is Southern California.

I mean,

she's all over it.

All over it.

You know, I don't know if you heard Michael Malice

this week.

But I love Michael Malis and what he said on Joe Rogan this week about Kamala Harris.

If you're going after Officer Harris, you're either racist or sexist or ableist.

Right.

So they will use

the retard.

She's literally retarded.

I mean,

Ukraine is a country in Europe, and Russia is another country and a powerful country.

And Russia invaded Ukraine, and that's wrong.

What's really important is what can be unburdened by what has been.

I think of her as America's wine mom because it seems like she's three deep by noon.

And she's got the three phases of wine mom she's got happy drunk oh my god this cereal's got a rabbit on it it's so great cackling cackling cackling then there is um trying to drunk at work where you're trying to make sense but you don't space is around us all and unites us all and inspires us all and then there's I'm being stern so you don't realize how plastered I am and I'm making a point.

That little girl was me.

Now I'm going to go upstairs and don't knock on the door because I'm going to pass out.

So those are her three ways she talks and those are the winemon phases.

Ukraine is a country in Europe, it exists next to another country called Russia.

Russia is a bigger country, Russia is a powerful country.

Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine.

So, basically, that's wrong.

Can I tell you something, though?

When I listen to that, I just think this is so vapid.

But then I think, how many Americans need it broken down that way?

Certainly her voters do.

Yeah.

It's a bigger country, and so then that's wrong.

Oh, okay.

Thank you, Mamala.

I appreciate that.

Now I understand big things.

Big countries shouldn't go into little countries.

Can little countries go into big countries?

Would that be wrong?

I mean, it is, it's just, it's amazing.

Do we know, Glenn, how many various ceilings she would be busting through with this?

Because we know we'd have the first black woman.

We would have the first woman.

We would have the first

Indian.

We would have the first

South Asian.

We would also have the first Asian.

And this one in particularly is bothersome because at some point, like, I don't know, maybe it's 20,

somewhere in the 20 years from now,

some great-grandson or granddaughter of a person, a Japanese American who was put into internment camps by the president that every Democrat thinks is the best president of all time is going to rise to power and maybe be elected president.

And they're going to be like, actually,

you're the second Asian president.

Sorry.

Kamala won back in 2024, God forbid.

And sorry, you don't count.

You didn't break any ceilings.

You're a giant zilch.

You get no recognition.

Sorry about that good night i mean that's sad

it's uh did you hear the the flashback uh of gerald ford from 1978 or 79

where he was asked he was running against uh ronald reagan at the time and they're in the primaries and he's asked by this little girl uh you know i'm eight years old and i want to see someday a female president what is it going to take what advice would you give an eight-year-old girl for he wants wants to be president?

Okay.

So he says, well, I'll tell you, we'll have a female president.

It is inevitable in the future.

But let me tell you how it's going to come.

This is 1978 or 79.

Let me tell you how it's going to come.

Either the Democrats or the Republicans are eventually going to nominate a woman to be the vice president.

And the vice president

will be serving in that administration until the president dies or bows out.

And that's how she'll become president.

That will be your first president.

Really?

I have not heard that.

That's an incredible moment.

Isn't that crazy?

That's a bizarre moment.

I mean, why would he, I mean, was he just so convinced Americans hated women or was he convinced they were sexist?

Or what was the reasoning for that?

I don't know.

I would imagine that it would, he didn't think that kind of change could be made.

Really?

For a president.

Again, in this 70s, so it's a different era.

I understand.

But

run by white men keeping women down.

That's a fact.

I agree with that quote.

Yeah,

it's fascinating.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

I have a friend that was over at the house last night, and he, since I last saw him, he had died

clinically dead

on the table and came back and he said, Glenn, that your life flashes before your eyes is absolutely true.

And he said, it was the weirdest experience.

He said, I've changed so much from them, from then because I realized I wasn't doing all that I could do.

I had dropped the ball in so many places.

We are now,

I would like your political life to flash in front of your eyes here because 45 days from now, Pennsylvanians begin to vote.

And we go from a theory of, yeah, it would be great and yeah, I'm fighting for, to the reality of, here's what people did.

And Steve Dace is here.

He's, I know, Steve, you have been on the Trump bandwagon now that the

primaries are over.

You've gotten what every Republican has always been told to do, and that is get on the train.

And you're on the train now and supporting Donald Trump, and you're concerned about what you're seeing.

I saw your tweet this morning that you think that we might, we should be asking ourselves some honest questions about our messaging.

Explain.

I think, and I think this is actually a campaign thing.

Like, I don't want to change any of this disruption and the disruptive traits that Trump brings to the table.

He's been accused of...

For instance,

with the journalist this year.

Oh, that was masterful.

That was masterful.

And you could just see in the audience,

the crowd was turning in his favor almost from the jump when he pushed back on her.

What you need a campaign to do, though, And

in some respects, Glenn, this is kind of the opposite of what I thought

when I was with the DeSantis campaign in the primary, in that you have a very disciplined candidate, okay?

And so the campaign needs to be the hype man, right?

Ron DeSantis is not a a guy that sits in an auditorium of 10,000 people and commands that presence.

He's a ruthless administrator that gets stuff done.

And so the campaign now needs to provide the stage presence.

He's more than a man.

He's more machine than man.

Like they just never, and that never happened.

Okay.

In this case, the candidate is his own hype man.

And what needs to happen when he walks out of there

and goes after Kamala Harris and questions her credibility to the point of questioning her own genealogy and family origin, okay?

The campaign needs to come out and say, and the same woman that you can't trust to tell you, whether she's Indian, whether she's African-American, whether she's this or that, is the same woman that never went to the border, as a borders are, is the same woman who was with the White House that lied to the American people and gaslit them for the last three years that the president's senile and has dementia.

The campaign needs to come in.

You know, a campaign and a candidate are like a marriage.

And the literal Hebrew translation there for helpmate, by the way, of a wife, the word actually literally translates, I believe, to rescuer.

That a woman literally rescues a man from his shortcomings and deficiencies.

She fills in those gaps, okay?

And that's what a campaign is supposed to do to a candidate.

And what I see is

that

I even understand why they're mad at Heritage Foundation getting out ahead of them.

I get that being on campaigns.

You can't get ahead of the candidate.

I get that.

But you also can't spend

more time attacking the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 than you can talking about the fact that you took a bullet to the face for the American people.

And the campaign has.

And Glenn, would you have imagined three weeks ago that we would have a conversation and think, I can't believe the campaign has not used that to inspire voters more than they have.

They barely bring it up.

They barely talk about it.

And I just think we're off message.

And

I'm worried because they are going to start voting in Pennsylvania in 45 days.

And I think if we make it an issue-based campaign, if we pivot to this is what Trump did so well in 2016, that's why I want him to go back and do it again.

He didn't just say Mexico's bringing us its rapist druggies and drug mules and human traffickers and then just leave it there.

He then said that and then, and that's why we're going to build a wall and we're going to secure the border so they can stop doing this to you.

You see what I'm saying?

He pivoted to issues that hit home for the average American.

The average American needs to feel why Kamala Harris is incompetent.

They need to feel why she's a complete contrivance and not even a real person and not credible and a deep episode come to life.

We can't just leave it there.

We have to say,

that's why she was silent silent and complicit in the gaslighting of the president's mental state.

That's why she never visited the border.

That's why she was part of the collapsing economy we currently have.

They need to pivot to those issues, and that's what a campaign needs to do.

And I just don't see that.

And I am very concerned.

So I would agree with you.

I think Donald Trump is doing a magnificent job himself.

I think it is a campaign problem

because I do tend to agree with you that

the Harris campaign has pivoted 180 degrees.

They're no longer talking about him being a criminal or anything else.

And

that is, we can't play the same game because it's a different player.

And if you put, I mean, she is the Biden administration.

She was there the whole time.

She was with all of it.

And if it is a

Trump as a personality against a Kamala, I don't know who wins because both sides will split on that.

But if you're talking about, hey, how's your grocery bill?

Correct.

How's your gas bill?

Correct.

What do you think's going to happen when Kamala gets in?

Do you think gas is going to go down or up?

Do you think inflation with her spending, her wanting to create jobs that are all government jobs guaranteed by you, the taxpayer, do you think your prices of goods and services, inflation, is going to go down or up?

Those are the things.

I can't believe that we are, you know,

they actually came out yesterday and said

Donald Trump said that he could have,

this deal wouldn't have been necessary.

He could have gotten the,

you know, the hostages out.

Well,

probably so.

We wouldn't be in the situation we were in if it wasn't for Donald Trump.

However, can somebody just ask,

why do you think Putin would make Joe Biden look like a peacemaker right now?

You know,

who do you think Putin wants in the Oval Office?

It ain't Donald Trump.

Who does China want?

It's not Donald Trump.

Who does Iran want?

It's not Donald Trump.

Of course they're going to come out and do deals now.

I thought the single best messaging clip he's produced in his candidacy this round was the interview that he did with Laurie Ingram a few days ago.

And she asked him about trainees.

Okay.

And he's like,

and he was like, that stuff's completely ridiculous.

We're not permitting that stuff if I'm president.

But then he pivoted to this.

And I love the fact that he kept using the word we, okay?

What we want is grocery bills to be affordable.

What we want is for the border to be secure.

What we want is for common sense to return.

What we want, nobody even talks, he said, nobody even talks about the American dream anymore.

We want to be talking about that again.

And I saw that and I thought that, especially the use of the word we because that because the the democrats want to make it look like he isn't part of a movement he's a singular entity a singular force uh he's dangerous reckless etc he is actually at his best when he is seen as a movement when he says stuff like you know they're coming after me because i represent you

i mean that's when he's at his best and i think and what i what i see is that they're off message i'll even give you another subtlety calling her a flip-flopper lets her off the hook you're not running against John Kerry in 2004 where he's not president.

And so questioning his credibility on the issues because he's not a known quantity is a good tactic.

And remember, they busted out the flip-flops, and that was devastating against John Kerry.

She has effectively been some form of president the last few years, or at least in on those conversations.

I would not grant her, because she could just turn around and say, well, you know, I'm not Joe Biden, and I looked at the data and I did this differently, and I think we should maybe do some things differently on the border than we did the last couple of years.

You don't let her, don't grant her that.

You need to just don't call her a flip-flopper.

She's a radical.

She needs to own every dot and tittle, every syllable of morsel of record of this White House.

She has to own it.

Attacking her as a flip-flopper grants the premise that she's somewhat undefined and therefore allows them to redefine her, which is what you're seeing them try to do right now.

Do not accept that premise on any level.

Make her own the record of this administration.

You should run on her on the issues as you would have run against Joe Biden because she is essentially the stand-in for him, if not literally.

So we're sitting here looking at an awful lot in some ways

like the Wilson campaign in 1912 against Roosevelt.

Roosevelt was honest about his progressivism, and he said, I'm going to do this, this, and this.

And that scared the American people because they thought he went too far.

And

Wilson did the exact opposite.

He said, oh, he's a radical.

He's well, Wilson was the real radical.

Right.

Right?

Yeah.

And I think, you know, Joe Biden was a puppet.

He was, you know, weekends at Bernie's.

And he wasn't checked in enough.

You know, Barack Obama was running the White House.

Kamala Harris believes this stuff.

Joe Biden doesn't believe this stuff.

She does.

And she's much more radical than he was was ever.

And if people don't understand that, you know,

you have to support the president.

But when she said, I was the last person in the room with him for Afghanistan and I 100%, I'd never say that.

If I was against the president, I'd say, look, the decision was made by the president.

And I support the president going forward.

We disagreed on a few things, but that's neither here nor there.

I support the president of the United States.

You don't go on a big disaster like that and say, I was the last person in the room to talk to him, and I agree.

It was great.

No,

no.

And, you know,

I was telling Stu today that Ford gave a speech in 1978 or 79 when he was running against Reagan in the primary.

And he said,

He was asked by a little girl, how are you going to get a woman in the presidency?

When will that happen?

Will it ever happen?

He said, yeah, it's going to happen.

I'll tell you how.

He said,

either a Democrat or Republican is going to pick a running mate that's a female.

She's going to be the vice president, and the president will die.

And that's how you'll have your first female president.

Wow.

This is, I know,

this is how we're going to elect because she could never, think about, let me just write fiction here for you.

Think about how

radical she is and how she performed in the primaries.

Nobody liked her.

Correct.

Nobody liked her.

Listen, I'm in Iowa.

Nobody liked her.

We saw her more than anybody did.

She couldn't even make it to the Iowa caucuses.

All right.

Right.

And so to me, to me.

Disaster.

There's a reason why, and I think him and his campaign need to say this.

There's a reason why the same forces that pushed Joe Biden out of the campaign are not pushing him out of the White House.

Because it would actually strengthen her candidacy if she was a credible candidate.

It would strengthen her candidacy to be seen as president first, to get basically a 90-day test drive with the American people where they get comfortable with this.

They know, therefore, they're not doing that because they know if they see that ahead of time, that they won't vote for that.

They know that.

They know that she's a VEEP episode come to life.

And so they've got to do

the Kamala Lot campaign that you're seeing now.

The Trump campaign needs to make her president right now.

There's a reason why Democrats don't want her to be president right now.

They don't want to give the American people a trailer to the movie that they're asking them to buy a ticket to.

And the Trump campaign needs to provide that movie trailer and shove it down the American people's throats.

And it's got to be, though, about issues people care about.

I love deconstructing her personality because they're trying to construct and reconstruct one as we speak.

But it's got to be to get to the result of making me care about why I care about that they're doing this.

And they're doing this so that they can get her in the White House against me knowing who she really is, so they can more

California the country.

They can more radicalize the country.

And the Trump campaign needs to make her seem like she's president of the United States to the American people right now.

Steve Dace, thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

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