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There was a good portion of the show.

I couldn't hear anything,

but we took you through all the sound clips and everything else from last night at the convention.

It was extraordinary to see Donald Trump and the change and the difference.

It's as if the,

I don't know, we've started to write a new chapter of America and the Republican Party, especially with the new vice president, J.D.

Vance, his nomination.

We have all of that.

Plus, we talk about Project 2025, what it is, what it's not.

We had Eric Prince on to talk about what was happening with the Secret Service.

Also, Mike Lee joined us.

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Welcome to the Blenbeck Program.

Well, the convention started last night, and something unusual happened.

Donald Trump appeared at the convention.

That's something that usually does not happen

on the first night, but Donald Trump was anxious to get there.

And he walked in

halfway through.

I think it was probably 10 o'clock Eastern, 10:30 Eastern.

And

he was different.

He was different.

I don't know how to describe it.

Don Jr.

had tears in his eyes.

I think probably a lot of people did.

And I saw

a softer man.

For the first time, I saw,

I don't know how to describe it, maybe somebody who went,

I shouldn't be here.

I was not supposed to be here, and here I am.

And

I think it was a humbling moment, and I'm anxious to see what Donald Trump has to say.

He walked in.

People are making fun of him for walking in with a big bandage on his ear.

Well, he lost part of his ear.

I mean, this is such a miracle.

There was a five-mile an hour wind, and just that and him turning his head made all the difference in that.

Remarkable.

Now, when he walked out, people were chanting at the convention.

Here's that sound.

Cut seven.

So now,

let me put this into context because you will hear people say they were screaming, fight, fight, fight.

Yeah, they were.

They were.

For a couple of reasons.

First of all, in something that I thought was one of the most heroic things I have seen from a president in a very long time,

President Trump,

unlike I think I would be,

stood up after being shot in the head.

He's disoriented.

You can see that he's kind of had the wind knocked out of him from the dogpile of the Secret Service.

He's standing up, and he makes a point.

You can hear him on the tape saying, wait, wait, wait a minute.

And he's telling the Secret Service to stop brushing him off of the stage so he can let the people know that he's okay.

And he raises his fist and he says, fight, fight, fight.

That is a hero moment.

No matter who you, what you think about Donald Trump, I'm sorry, that is just stirring to see somebody who, for political reasons, they tried to kill, they hit him,

and he still stands up.

The reason why people

admire Donald Trump is that they have put him through everything.

They tried to bankrupt him.

They tried to call him all kinds of names.

They've tried to destroy his business.

Then they tried to put him in jail.

They've done everything, impeachment, two separate times.

They smeared him and his family, and now they tried to kill him, and the guy is not stopping.

Why?

Well, either

either he's

a psycho that just loves pain and destruction,

which he doesn't.

Or he actually believes in something that's worth fighting for.

And what is that?

Donald Trump doesn't believe in the global government.

He doesn't believe in

the global economy the way it's being fashioned now in much more of a fascistic way with public-private partnerships.

You know, you play ball with us and then

you'll be able to take over and crush your competitors and everything else because we'll protect you, but you need to play ball the right way.

We're going to change capitalism.

That's what's happening.

There is a new economic system that has already been introduced.

And that economic system, part of it, is

called modern monetary theory.

I talk about it in my book, The Great Reset, and again in the follow-up book.

The modern monetary theory six years ago was insane.

Basically, what it says is we don't have to have the tax revenue to pay these bills.

We can just print as much money as we want.

Well, that's what they're doing.

Well, that's what they did in Germany and the Weimar Republic.

We know, because math remains math, there is something as an absolute truth, and the closest we can get to it is mathematics.

It doesn't work.

But that's just to bring the United, in my opinion, to bring the United States down to everybody else's level.

For 40 years, we tried to bring the world up, and it worked, not universally and not everywhere, but wherever it was truly tried and tried without corruption, it did improve the lives of people.

Capitalism works.

Well, the Chinese thought of this new idea of fascism, bringing the state in with business.

Instead of taking businesses away from people and owning the businesses, they let people own and run the business as long as you're in line with the state.

Well, that's what we're building now.

Donald Trump doesn't believe in that.

In fact, the reason why they have to kill him, I believe, is because he's the only one that stands in the way of this new global government and this new global business elite.

he doesn't believe in it

people are saying he's saying fight the first words out of his mouth were fight fight fight yes

isn't there anything worth fighting for and I don't mean with guns I don't mean a civil war

isn't there anything worth are your children worth fighting for of course they are

your children worth standing up for of course course they are.

Are your children worth dying for?

Yes.

Yes, they are.

Hopefully you don't ever have to get there, but yes, they are.

You know you would sacrifice your life for your child.

You know it.

Here's what I want you to do when you hear the fight, fight, fight.

I want you to think

Donald Trump doesn't mean just that it's worth dying for, because I do believe our country and our freedom of our children and the future of our children is worth dying for.

But I don't want to get there.

I hope we don't ever get there.

Fight.

Stand up because our children and our children's future is worth living for.

That's the key.

Now,

yesterday there was a really awkward interview with Lester Holt

where Joe Biden is just engaging in the same lies.

And I would really

like to make it very apparent by using the audio of both what Biden has been saying over and over again

and the audio of what was actually said at the time.

And then you decide who is telling you the truth.

Here's Lester Holt and Joe Biden

talking about Charlottesville again.

Listen.

I wasn't going to run again because I lost my son.

I didn't, you know,

until I watched what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Those folks coming out of the woods with torches, carrying swastikas, singing the same Nazi bile that was accompanied by this Ku Klux Klan, and a young woman was killed.

And

it was a bystander.

And the president, then president, was asked, what do you think?

He said, they're very fine people on both sides.

I have fine people on both sides.

No excuse.

Zero.

Okay.

You can go to Snopes and look this up.

But

I urge you to do that, but why take the time to do that when I can just present you with the actual audio?

of what Trump said in 2017.

Listen.

And you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were

very fine people on both sides.

You had people in that group, excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures as you did.

You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E.

Lee to another name.

And you had people, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally, but you had many many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?

So now you are left with this question.

Why would President Biden

continue to tell this lie?

There's one thing you can

You can dismiss that, you know, no, no joke, I was a truck driver.

No, he wasn't.

No, no joke.

I was a constitutional scholar for many years.

No, he wasn't.

No, no joke.

The ladies love me.

No, Joe, they don't.

Well, the children love me.

No, they don't either.

They're creeped out by you.

The one thing that you can say about Joe Biden is he always is self-aggrandizing.

And I think that's because he's really never done anything.

I mean, he was a senator, yes, but he was not the world's greatest senator by any means.

And there's lots of senators on both sides that kind of fall into this category.

And he thinks of himself as a great man.

You can take those kinds of lies and kind of feel sorry for him.

Not this one.

And these

lies like this one that the left continues to tell, They are told for a reason to get you to believe something that is not true.

So if you're listening today for the first time and

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this is what you're missing.

I talk to people all the time who have no clue as to what is going on in the world.

They have only heard the mainstream media and the left, and they have left out facts.

Now, we can spin things any way we want, but facts are facts.

Why listen to people who constantly, knowingly,

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I feel as though we turned a page.

There's a new chapter in America being written because of what happened over the weekend.

However, I would like to remind you that

an assassination bump, if you can call it that,

lasted only about three months.

So this

will go away, especially in an election season.

So don't take anything for granted

because there's a lot more of the election to go.

I think it's interesting if they don't replace Joe Biden as the candidate.

I think it will be very interesting

to see

because I think to me that says, why waste another candidate, a possible candidate for a losing situation?

But that is, again, wishful thinking.

The one thing we have to do is make sure that there's no more violence and nobody tries to kill the president or the former president or anybody else,

RFK.

That would be horrible.

And we almost had that situation.

Now, there's some new information that is coming out.

I want to say hi to our guest, Eric Prince.

He is the host of Off Leash.

He's a retired U.S.

Navy SEAL.

He's also the founder of Blackwater and a friend of the program.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn, how are you?

Good to talk with you.

Good.

Good.

I saw you on Newsmax last night as they were talking to you from the convention.

Did you sense a difference in watching the convention that I did?

It felt joyful, and it also, when Trump walked out, seemed

he seemed different.

What did Winston Churchill say, there's nothing quite as exhilarating as being shot at without result.

I think that

definitely affected the President.

Maybe an air of

humility.

And

I think he realizes how severe that situation could have been.

And I it literally, he dodged a bullet, the country dodged a bullet, because if he had been killed, I cannot imagine the second and third order effects that would be

ravaging America right now if that was the case.

And that's not, we're not done yet.

I mean,

the Secret Service has been bad for a very long time.

Since Obama was in, I've been screaming about the Secret Service.

The president, all of the presidents, are in danger.

They they I mean Eric

Sometime we'll talk.

I mean I've seen stuff from the Secret Service that scared the hell out of me

in their incompetence, but I wonder if this is just incompetence.

Let me give you a couple of stories.

New reporting today says that the shooting location was actually a police staging area and that counter snipers were inside the building.

They saw the shooter acting suspiciously.

They took a picture of him.

They watched him pull out a range finder and take measurements and then disappear.

Wouldn't the correct protocol to make sure that the president doesn't go on stage at that point until you find that guy?

There's so many breakdowns.

It's mind-boggling how badly they missed.

You know that 140 yards from that location to the to the president's podium is effectively point-blank range with a carbine.

I mean, a 12-year-old first-time hunter could make that shot.

The fact that there was local law enforcement in the area and they weren't covering is pathetic.

So bad on them, but also bad on the Secret Service to not detail one guy to make sure that local law enforcement is doing their job to cover that massive dead space.

If you stand at the podium, for the people that were doing the advanced work before Trump arrives, to stand at the podium and look around, it's pretty obvious to see that those industrial buildings is what they call the sniper hotel, the likely place the sniper is going to set up shop if someone's going to do something.

And apparently, they must have sent some local law enforcement there and they didn't even thoroughly cover or walk around or patrol.

It's

astounding how bad the bungling was.

And

we literally dodged a bullet.

So it's,

you know,

the infinitesimal variation of aim to miss the president's head, his brain matter by two inches, is

the margin of error is entirely too small.

And that must not ever happen again.

And that's just against a 20-year-old idiot with no real professional training.

I worry

that a professional that sets up at 500 or

longer yards

with a bigger, proper rifle

can also provide serious threat.

The fact that the Secret Service snipers, counter snipers, were apparently looking at the guy for up to a minute and no action was taken, even to include not even getting Trump behind cover, to at least the threat is

it doesn't have to be neutralized, but at least interdicted so that he can't hurt anybody, to even have one of those cops go up the ladder or multiple cops go up the ladder and stop.

It's astounding.

I hope there is a proper external investigation.

We know the federal government is incapable of actually policing itself and of doing an objective, fact-based, non-political, non-ass covering investigation.

So there has to be some

external look at this because unfortunately, I've lost confidence in the federal agencies, and I think you have too.

Oh, yeah.

New reporting out again today alleges the Secret Service didn't secure the main access points to the perimeter.

Entrances were unmanned, secured with only zip ties.

Adjacent neighbors weren't even contacted by the Secret Service.

This is not usual Secret Service

operation.

This is not the way it's supposed to go.

Yeah, advance work.

If you were the head of the Secret Service, what would you do today?

What should they be doing?

What should we be as a public seeing today if our Secret Service was competent?

She should resign effective immediately.

And whoever did the advance work for that detail on Saturday should be fired.

The head of counter sniping there should be fired.

And

again, I don't, like the Twitter post I said, I just don't, the way of accountability is not the way of Washington anymore and so I don't think we'll see any changes until there's a new administration and it speaks to yet another federal agency that is rotted with corruption and incompetence and and social engineering and not focusing on the right things which is should be solely focused on mission and execution and excellence.

nothing else, nothing to deviate from other than those core missions.

The most important part of executive protection is really good advance work

and mapping all the ways and all your likely vulnerabilities.

Clearly that wasn't done because there was so many areas left unwatched, unguarded.

But even once the bullet started flying,

the diamond, right, the immediate close protection team around the president, should have got him off the X immediately and not

let him stand up, although him standing up was a magnificent moment of bravery, a Teddy Roosevelt-like moment.

Good on the president for having that composure.

But at that point, don't know if there was another second or third shooter.

He was highly exposed yet, and he should have been gotten off the X.

And it speaks to those responses from a protection team must be autonomic, meaning fully programmed that you can do it when you're under maximum stress, because they were, with maximum adrenaline pumping through your your bloodstream because it was but that's why you train in a super high stress environment so that your body is conditioned to react to your training and that clearly had not been done because that team was not was not its a game that day

eric if you were in congress and you were a supporter of joe biden

Wouldn't you be ringing the bell as hard as you are right now?

I mean, I'm ringing the bell because I don't want any of these guys shot.

It's bad for the country.

If we don't fix this, we are entering probably the most dangerous time our country has been in,

maybe since World War II,

where anything could go wrong and could set the entire country on fire.

Why aren't the Democrats raising this alarm?

Because they pursue, apparently, a very different paradigm that social engineering and DEI

is more important than excellence.

And I guess that equates to a fundamental paradigm, and maybe that becomes an electoral issue.

Do you vote for excellence and merit, or do you vote for

choosing people for their color, sexual preference, gender, whatever it is?

And

the American people have to choose excellence or we don't have a country anymore or a republic at least.

I found it weird that the head of the Secret Service was in charge of Pepsi security.

I know how much security Doritos do need, but

I found that to be...

She was a career Secret Service, but that doesn't mean she was an excellent Secret Service officer.

and the one that should be leading the organization.

So again, I don't care who people sleep with or what bathroom they use.

I just want

the hardest, most capable protection officers around the president and other VIPs because, as you know, you're a student of history.

World War I started

with an assassination of the heir to the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and it uncorked untold millions of deaths in World War I,

tens of millions of deaths in World War II, and literally rewrote the map of the world from one hit.

I fear that if we lose a President Trump like that,

again, the second and third order effects will be really, really ugly.

And whoever

if there is external conspiracy,

and it wasn't just some 20-year-old idiot that showed up to do this,

They need to be careful because if they

sow the wind, they're going to reap the whirlwind.

Eric, I appreciate it.

Thank you for everything that you do.

We'll talk again, my friend.

You bet, Glenn.

Take care.

Thanks, guys.

Eric Prince, host of Off Leash,

retired U.S.

Navy SEAL and the founder of Blackwater.

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One of, I believe, the

real true patriots in America is Kevin Roberts.

He's the Heritage Foundation president.

We have gotten to know each other quite well over the last year or so, and I have tremendous respect for him, his courage, and what he is also doing at the Heritage Foundation.

I had a

family reunion this weekend, this last weekend, and we had about 30 people, 35 people here.

And, you know, not everybody votes the same way that I do.

In fact, some of my family, you know, kind of rolls their eyes at some of the things I say.

And that's fine.

And we're still family and we love each other.

And we had a great conversation about what was going on, especially after the assassination attempt.

And

what came up over and over again was Project 2025.

They're making it into a fascistic state.

They are going to, they're going to give the presidency so much more power.

And I laughed and I said, that's not Project 2025.

In fact, that's the opposite of what they're trying to do.

This is something the Heritage Foundation has done every election year for many years, but never to this degree.

And Kevin Roberts is here to tell us about it.

Hello, Kevin.

How are you?

Glenn, my friend, great patriot.

It's a pleasure to be with you.

Thank you.

So, Kevin, talk to people who are hearing from the media that this is nothing but a way to

carve out special exemptions for the president for fascism.

The best way to start, and we'll go into detail, I know, is to say it is total projection by the left.

I mean, you, perhaps more than anyone in our modern age, has shown us how whatever the left is accusing our side of is actually something they themselves are guilty of.

And so, Project 2025 is actually a corrective to the very thing the left is accusing us of doing.

That is, they are the ones, particularly since LBJ's presidency in the 60s, who have accrued all of this power in the hands of unelected bureaucrats in D.C.

We feel that in every respect.

Every industry, every business, and even most of us in our sort of everyday lives.

But ultimately, what Project 2025 will do is address the problem of the administrative state in D.C.

being weaponized against the everyday American.

It's the biggest threat, as you know, the administrative state, Glenn, to a republic where citizens vote for a new president in a new direction, and yet nothing changes.

In fact, what we will see if any aspects of Project 2025 are implemented is a diminishing of the scope of Washington, D.C.

and an increase in freedoms and the presidency and the legislative branch and the judicial branch all being returned to proper order.

In other words, it really is the, I think, the single best set set of policy ideas about how we go back to the original founding vision, as our founders had it, of this constitutional republic.

You know, I said to some of my relatives, look, you and I agree on one thing,

I think, and they did,

and that is

no citizen should ever be afraid that the president of the United States is going to get him.

That this election would put somebody in office where he could take away freedoms of people he didn't like or didn't agree with.

That's

I am absolutely against that because I know it always comes around to bite whoever did it in the butt because they'll eventually get to you.

And that's not our system.

This ensures that the president, no matter which side they're on, doesn't have that power to

get his enemies or to

just rule rule his way without the consent of Congress and the people.

That's right.

And if that kind of abuse and weaponization against the American people using the administrative state we've seen against the right, the political right by President Biden, were for some reason to be done by a conservative administration, we at Project 2025 and at Heritage, to your point, Glenn, would be just as apoplectic.

Every one of us from the far left to the far right, wherever someone is on that political spectrum, needs to wake up in this country and believe that of all entities, the federal government is going to be objective and neutral and fair and just and equal in how it treats all of our citizens.

And so the real problem that we're trying to address isn't just the accrual of power since the 60s in particular.

It is, without getting engaged in hyperbole, which you know I detest, addressing the weaponization of the federal government against individual citizens.

I'll give you a quick story that is a personal reference, but it's emblematic of what people feel.

I, as you know, am a traditional Roman Catholic.

Doesn't mean that people have to agree with that, but that's my religious liberty and my families to practice that.

We have, over the last few years, those of us in that category, not just been fearful of, but we know the following has happened.

We know this from the director of the FBI and the Attorney General of Biden's administration.

They have targeted faithful traditional Catholics because we like the Latin Mass as somehow being domestic terrorists.

It's that kind of nonsense that Project 2025 would bring to an end if the next administration so desires to implement.

So has Trump signed on for any of this?

Look, it's informal.

The president, of course, has distanced himself from this, which is, I think, a smart political move given how successful the left's mischaracterization of this has been.

Ultimately, though, to your question, great ideas and great people rise to the top.

And so without it all being presumptuous, which you know I am not, and Project 2025 is designed to sort of be in the background, those great ideas and those great people, I think, are going to be part of this conversation once the Trump Vance administration takes office.

So I would, for people trying to make sense of President Trump's comments and his campaign's comments and the project, understand that we are in the political season right now and soon we will move into the transition and policymaking season and I just have great confidence in the policies and people who are part of it and think that we're going to have a great era of good common sense policy reform that ultimately is sort of neither conservative nor liberal.

It's just right and it's just common sense.

I will tell you that I read the website and we're doing a show on it tomorrow night to go through what it is and what it's not.

And if people will read it, I mean,

I think the media is doing a great service in a way.

If people go to the website and really look up what Project 2025 is and reads it, I think most Americans will agree with a lot of it.

You know, you're talking about

dismantling the

not the DOJ, but the

DHS.

You're returning the component parts to other agencies.

You're talking about eliminating harmful regulations that have stifled innovation in small businesses.

More oil and gas leases, less climate extremism, no more over-regulation of dishwashers and gas stoves and everything else that they said they definitely weren't doing.

You know, I think, Kevin, the idea here is the administrative state has been been made into something that can do all the things that they know they can't get passed into laws.

And that's what's got to stop.

These people, these elites are running these organizations, and they decide what's best, and it never comes to us.

And if we want to change, then we'll change.

You can't force us to do that, especially as a unelected official.

That's the key issue is that Congress, of course, is complicit in this by not being forceful enough over the last decades.

And what it's done, frankly, under both Democrat and Republican administrations, is create this yo-yo effect of the Democrats and the Republicans issuing these executive orders.

I'm still hopeful enough about this country, Glenn, to believe that maybe a vast majority of us across the political spectrum understand that's not how we ought to make law.

And so, what we're trying to do with the proposals we have in Project 2025, in addition to what you said, is call for an end to DEI and CRT.

I mean, this is something that's vastly supported.

Unfortunately, we probably see in addition to all of the aspects of the failure on Saturday's near assassination, the effects of that.

That was a higher goal, DEI, for the Secret Service director, than real competence.

This is the point.

Americans understand what is going on, which is that a small group of people have concentrated power.

They're not not elected.

They might be good people.

We don't have to get into the personal side of this, but they are people who do not want those of us who are regular, normal people to go about our lives.

It's imperative that people understand that the very reason the left has spent more money demonizing Project 2025 than we've spent putting it together tells you it is a threat.

to their power.

And that ought to excite us about the possibilities ahead.

You know, you talk about in Project 2025 something that I haven't heard for a long time, and that's a flatter and fairer tax code with a 15% bracket and a 30% bracket.

They, of course, will say this is tax cuts for the rich, et cetera.

But it is shown math does not lie.

It has been shown over and over and over again, no matter what you do with the tax code,

the government brings in about 18% total.

And if you bring the tax code and bring it up to 95%, people find loopholes, don't pay their taxes, et cetera, et cetera.

And they still get about 17 to 18%

going into the Treasury.

So why not do a flat tax where everybody pays

what's appropriate

and you don't have all of these loopholes?

That would be fantastic.

Chance that that happens?

I think there's a chance.

And in fact, in some recent interview in the last couple of weeks, President Trump has even hinted hinted at that.

Obviously, we're going to have to deal as a country with tax policy because the Trump tax cuts are up for renewal.

And I think there's an opportunity, depending on what the President and the Vice President, of course, want to do, we will be of service to that, is to insert into that a flatter system.

I mean, I'm old enough to remember when, as a country, 10 or so years ago, we were on the cusp of implementing that kind of thing.

This is an excellent example of something that is in Project 2025 that is wildly supported by a majority of people.

And it leads me to the following connected point, Glenn.

You touched on this just a minute ago.

Project 2025 covers literally every policy issue known to man.

It is a menu of policy options.

I've not met one fellow conservative, whether that's my wife or one of my siblings or my dad, all staunch conservatives who agree with 100% of what's in there.

The point is not to seek unanimity.

The point is to provide a menu of options that represent the popular will, that if President Trump and Vice President Vance so choose, there's actually a substantive plan behind that political impulse.

And that actually, I would like to think, for people who are more objective in the political center or the political left, give people a little bit of comfort that actually what we're trying to do here is have a governing agenda following the lead of the men who will be making the decisions.

And I think as time goes on, to sum up here, the more we understand that's actually what this project is about, the more we're not only telling the truth, but we're actually kneecapping what has been a last-ditch desperation attempt by the left, which can't run on the record.

Can you do me a favor?

I've got about 60 seconds.

I just want to run through some true and false, because these are the things that are being said about it.

I just want to know if this is true or false.

In Project 2025, there is a call to end no-fault divorce, true or false?

False.

Complete ban on abortions without exceptions, true or false?

Extraordinarily false.

Ban contraceptives, true or false?

False.

Higher taxes for the working class.

False.

Well, not the exact opposite.

Additional tax breaks for corporations and the 1%.

False.

Elimination of unions and worker protections.

My gosh, look at what they're saying.

I know.

So false.

Cut Social Security.

False.

Raise the retirement age.

False.

End the Affordable Care Act.

False.

Raise prescription drug prices.

False.

Eliminate the Department of Education.

True, my friend.

That's the one thing they get right.

Love that.

Use public taxpayer money for private religious schools, true or false.

False.

Teach Christian religious beliefs in public schools.

False.

We understand it's a pluralistic country.

We love those schools, but that's up to people to decide.

End civil rights and DEI protections in government.

Well, we definitely want to end DEI nonsense, but obviously the great thing about Project 2025 is that we're restoring civil rights, if anything.

Ban books and curriculum about slavery.

False.

Ending climate projections or protections.

Well, the ones that aren't based on science will come to an end, but we certainly understand the value of science and protecting the environment.

I got to tell you, this is why we're doing a whole show on it.

What they're saying about this is incredible.

What it is, it's not.

You can find it at heritage.org, or you can go to Project 2025.

I believe that's project2025.org.

Kevin, great to talk to you.

We'll talk to you again.

Thanks, Lynn.

Take care.