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Really great program today.

We talked about everything, your money, the deficit, what's causing the CBO yesterday to come out and say, oh yeah, we're going to have to add another, you know, almost half a trillion dollars to this year's debt.

The businesses that are going out 25% faster rate than last year.

But what's causing all of this?

Inflation.

What's causing that?

We talk about it.

Also, Mike Lee joins me to talk about

the differences that we need to look for in our candidates, especially in the primaries.

You know, are you going to be a radical and go with these radical Republicans?

Or are you going to go with a rhino?

We talk about that as well.

And Garrett Ziegler joins us.

He's from Marco Polo.

He wrote the report on the Biden laptop, which is just the facts, ma'am.

And he talks to us about what's coming in September, a huge trial that actually gets to the meat of the business of the Bidens.

Also,

in hour number three of today's, James Polis joins us.

There is

a new advancement in technology where we're running out of power for AI.

We need to find power.

Well, the good news is they're harvesting embryos for their stem cells to make organoids to power AI.

Yeah,

that sounds great.

May God save the Republic all on today's show.

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Hello, America.

Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

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Yesterday, I was called by a newspaper

and I was asked to comment on,

you know, the split in the Republican Party.

And I said, what split in the Republican Party?

You want to talk about a split?

Look at the Democrats.

Right now, we're in primaries.

And of course, there's splits during primaries.

But they're trying to pit Republicans against Donald Trump and everything else.

And I tried to make the point,

nobody's against each other.

In primaries, sure.

But once the primary is decided, we're all on the same side.

We have to be.

But President Trump has just announced his endorsement for

a primary for a congressperson in Utah.

Mike Lee joins me now.

This congresswoman,

she's a wonderful person.

You know, Celeste Malloy is her name.

She's fine.

I think she talks a good game on the Constitution.

But she is somebody that was filling in for Chris Stewart after he had to leave.

And now she's being asked to be elected full-time.

She voted for the first omnibus, the second omnibus, the NDAA.

She voted for FISA.

And I think it was Speaker Johnson that convinced Donald Trump to endorse her.

Mike Lee joins me now.

Hi, Mike.

Hello, Glenn.

Good to be with you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So what are your thoughts on this?

First of all, there's no problem,

there's no split between you or me and Donald Trump.

Would you agree with that?

Absolutely.

100%.

And as you point out, people are going to back different candidates in elections.

One of the things you've got to look at is their basis for information.

Who knows the candidates better?

and what might have influenced that decision.

In this situation, Donald Trump chose chose a different candidate.

Now, look, it's not at all surprising that House Republican leadership, Speaker Mike Johnson, might want the incumbent to be reelected.

That is almost as sure as the sun rising in the east that House Republican leadership will try to back the incumbent.

Should be surprising to no one.

And based on the timing, it appears that Speaker Mike Johnson almost certainly influenced Trump's thinking on this.

He was down there at exactly the same moment.

I think he was spotted at Mar-a-Lago within moments of when this endorsement announcement came out.

And so, yeah, look, that happens.

And of course he would want that.

She's a reliable vote for him.

But this is yet another example of why we need to look very carefully at who holds those leadership positions in Congress, in any of that.

This doesn't change one iota about the fact that we need a conservative fighter.

We need a hero.

We need somebody who will stand up for the Constitution.

We will need somebody who doesn't give a rip

about what

the GOP leaders in Congress, what I call the firm, the law firm of Schumer, McConnell, Johnson, and Jeffries, says about how they should vote in Congress.

Colby Jenkins is that man.

We need Colby Jenkins, who is a true constitutional conservative.

He's a Green Beret veteran.

He is somebody who will push back against the firm, the swamp, and the Unit Party and stand for the Constitution.

So in talking to this reporter, and I'm waiting to see the story.

It was supposed to come out today, I thought, but it hasn't.

I'm anxious to see how it is framed because

especially in Utah,

I said, you know, in Maine, in Minnesota, I can understand that you have to go for a more, quote, moderate, which would mean another Mitt Romney.

But

you cannot expect that in Utah.

How is it extreme in Utah

for a constitutional conservative, okay?

Just even, I don't care if you're even liberal, all the liberals from Utah should be constitutionalist.

That state,

I mean, that state is one of the most red, white, and blue states ever, and

its main faith for decades taught the Constitution and taught about the

importance of it and how we need to stand up for it.

And when the Constitution is hanging by a thread, how could you possibly go for a rhino and call the guy or the people that are trying to stand up and say, no, the answer is restoring our founding documents and restoring order to those founding documents.

How could that be extreme in a conservative state?

Well,

it's extreme because

people who call themselves moderates

are

improperly using that term.

I don't think they understand what that term means.

What is extreme?

It's a $35 trillion debt.

that people add to in Congress at a rate of $2 trillion a year.

What is extreme?

Is a government that makes you work months out of every year just to pay your federal taxes and then requires you to comply with a Byzantine labyrinth of federal regulations enacted by men and women not of their own choosing, not elected lawmakers contrary to the Constitution.

What's extreme is a government that uses FISA 702

to engage in warrantless backdoor searches on the American people.

Those things are extreme.

So those people who call themselves moderates back up that system, back up the Unit Party and the firm, and then they call themselves moderates.

Shame on them.

And this is why I support Kobe Jenkins.

Anyone within the sound of my voice who agrees, ought to go to kolbyforutah.com and support Kobe Jenkins.

Those living in Utah, in the second congressional district, should vote for Kobe Jenkins.

We need Kobe Jenkins in Congress.

And this is nothing against Donald Trump or anything else.

I have no problem with Donald Trump.

Donald Trump, and I've heard this from so many people, he doesn't know all of the, he can't keep up with all the people running for Congress and everything else.

And this one was brought on, I firmly believe, by our speaker,

our speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, who is

I don't know what he is.

I don't know what he is, but he is not what he presented himself as by any stretch of the imagination.

And he is the new Mitch McConnell just in the House.

You know,

This has got to end.

We have done the rhino thing over and over and over again, and it hasn't gotten us anywhere except into deeper debt and more problems.

Restoring the law and order that stems only from the Constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence, that is the solution.

And everyone in a conservative state should know that.

And that's right.

And whether they call themselves conservatives or not, if they believe in the U.S.

Constitution and if they believe that our federal laws need to be made only by men and women of our own choosing, that is those elected to Congress, not by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats, if they believe they shouldn't be spied on without a warrant, if they believe that they shouldn't have to work months of every year to pay their federal taxes and still be $35 trillion in debt,

then they should be behind the Constitution because the Constitution is the only answer.

I don't fault fault Donald Trump one iota, one ounce of this.

This is

not his fault.

He was given information.

That information was what he relied on.

And unfortunately, the people who gave him that information made a critical error.

This is why we need new leadership in Congress.

And that starts by electing Colby Jenkins to the Utah 2nd congressional district.

Okay.

We got to do this one person at a time.

And this is happening.

And,

you you know, especially in conservative states, if, you know, there are constitutionalists running, do not allow them to paint those people as extremists.

Since when has the Bill of Rights and the idea that we are a democratic republic, that democracy happens on voting day, and then the republic kicks in and represents us, we're representative republic.

Since when has being a republic been controversial?

It's not.

So stop allowing people to paint you at when did you just when they say this, I'm sorry,

my belief in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and Declaration of Independence is

extreme.

Well, I know I haven't changed.

When did you change?

When did you stop believing those things?

Yeah, look,

the most extreme thing about our government is that it is too big, it is too expensive, it is too intrusive, and it recognizes very few limits on its authority.

That is extreme.

Now, oddly enough, the people who love that nonsense, the people who love to make people subjects rather than citizens, are the ones using the E-word, and they should turn it right back on themselves.

And if they won't, we'll do it for them, and we'll elect people like Colby Jenkins to Congress to get it done.

Mike, this is Pat Gray.

We're in an era of

not being able to even point out the fact that we have a commander-in-chief who can't even get through a sentence anymore.

And then we're told that that's some kind of cheap fake or deep fake.

How do the American people respond to this?

How can we get it through to our friends and relatives that we see this guy disintegrating right before our very eyes?

And the only thing we can expect are bad policies and bad candidates if we don't wake up and do something about this.

I have never been for

removing somebody just because I don't like them or anything else.

This is different than impeachment for the crimes that I believe have been committed.

This is the guy is not capable in emergency situations of processing things.

Yesterday, he had a breakdown on stage that was terrifying.

How do we deal with it, Mike?

First of all,

in response to Past question,

we do have to rule out the possibility that he might have learned Greek or some other obscure language that we know nothing about.

I mean, that was a possibility.

I mean,

it could happen.

As for the phrases, he might just be

receiving some sort of telecommunication that we can't understand.

Or maybe he's speaking in tongues.

Is that a possibility?

It's a possibility.

That could happen.

That could happen.

But if neither of those is the case, then we really are in 25th Amendment territory.

And we're also in the territory where we've got a government where the people doing the maneuvering aren't the people elected to do that job, which is the main problem we've got.

In the legislative branch, we've delegated all to the executive branch.

And then the guy running the executive branch branch apparently can't find his way off of a stage.

And so this is really troubling.

That's why this election matters so much.

And that's why every vote you count, especially for federal office right now, because that's where the government is most broken, is in Washington, D.C.

Make sure every one of them counts.

And

that's why you've got to study these candidates carefully and look for the candidate that most faithfully scrutinizes each and every decision by government to make sure that it comports with the Constitution.

And that's why he supports Colby Jenkins.

I expected you to say that at the very end.

Colby4Utaw.com.

ColbyForutaw.com.

That's where you can support him.

Thank you so much.

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Garrett Ziegler is with us.

He is the founder of Marco Polo and the chairman.

Marco Polo is a 501c3.

In fact, you can find it at marcopolo501c3.org.

And they have put together the report on the Biden laptop.

This is something that,

you know,

I bought two copies of.

In fact, I bought just another two copies just the other day.

And one of those copies is for the vault, our history vault, because this is the truth from the laptop.

There's no opinion in this.

This is just all of the stuff from the laptop.

And a lot of it is really disgusting, but

the important stuff is about the money, the money from oligarchs and the business, if you will, that Joe Biden certainly had nothing to do with.

Welcome, Garrett.

How are you?

Thank you very much for having me on.

I'm honored that you'd say it was for a time capsule.

That was part of our goal.

So I'm glad you said that.

I think there was one other book that I've purchased here recently in the last year that also I felt belonged in the time capsule or the vault.

And it's very rare that I do that, but this is the

actual truth.

There's no opinion.

There's nothing.

Historians will be able to look back on this and go, what the hell were they thinking?

Because it's pretty obvious.

That made Hunter's wife's flare up outside of the courtroom two weeks ago at me so much, you know, that much more ridiculous.

I'm not sure if you saw this.

It was a minor story that hurt his wife, his second wife, Melissa Cohen, who he married after six days,

called me a Nazi outside of the courtroom.

And it's funny because...

You know, I was just a member of the public there.

I didn't say one word to them.

I had my hands in my lap the entire time.

And the reason why it's so ridiculous is because, like you say, the report does not editorialize much.

It's just screenshots from videos.

It takes screenshots of emails.

You know, what we are doing essentially is digital archaeology.

What I mean by that is when we say hunter solicited a prostitute,

it's not enough for us just to say that.

We find the Venmo email notification and then corroborate that with a photo using the metadata embedded within that photo.

So it's really police work, honestly, and it's not that glamorous, but I find it fun.

I got to tell you, it's a dark, dark

laptop.

And first they tried to deny it.

Then they tried to get you to stop.

They sued you and said that you were illegally hacking into the laptop,

which

any truth.

How did that work out for for them?

Any truth to that?

Absolutely not.

It's all ridiculous.

And even but Hunter got Winston and Strawn, one of the most prominent law firms in America, to sign off on it, partly because they just want Kevin Morris's cash, although we're hearing that may be drying up soon.

But we were sued by both Hunter in September, but then also last May, his caveman-looking sugar brother, the guy with the deep pockets who's been funding all these legal misadventures, sued me for doxing.

Of course, it was dismissed, but he's appealing that in the California Appellate Court.

And I think they know in their soul they're just lashing out, but their goal is to try to

dry us up resource-wise, right?

So

it's a quintessential slap.

I'm sure you faced, and it's a strategic lawsuit against public participation.

It is disgusting.

And they even tried to get the IRS to

stop allowing you to use a 5013C status, correct?

Correct.

I laugh just because they basically thrown the kitchen sink at us.

Abby Lowell has now, going on 17 months, basically tried everything, went to the IRS, that failed.

I was the witness for the mother of Hunter's Child in Arkansas before that case was settled, about four months before the case was settled, when the litigation was still ongoing.

she realized that this weird young guy, I'm referring to myself,

went through the device and said, well, he knows more about Hunter's finances than anyone.

And so she had me as a witness, and that made them blow a gasket.

So they tried to get me removed from the case, and that failed.

So again, my motives are very clear.

They like

Like you, my only concern is Joe, but they think that I have this vendetta against Hunter, whereas I look at Hunter as a tragic, cheap, political harlot who sold his family's name.

But my focus has always been on Joe.

There was this ridiculous profile in the Washington Post

about our group last September, and it says that I'm going after Hunter Biden.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

I'm not going after Hunter Biden.

I think that this story, like you said, is one of the most incredible of the 21st century

because it shows the lengths that Joe went to collect that.

Yeah, it is,

you know, someday, again, historians will look back on this evidence and they'll say, what the hell happened here?

How did this,

how is this not evident to everyone?

And the answer is

the cover-up.

And the cover-up is always worse than the actual

information.

And that's hard to say that the cover-up will be worse than the crime because this crime that I believe happened and is,

you know, your book shows a lot of the evidence.

It's hard to beat this crime, but the cover-up is just distorting everything in America and rotting us to the core.

That's a great point you make.

I've never thought of it like that, but I think it's spot on that usually the cover-up is worse, but you could say that the cover-up this time is commensurate with the severity of the

tragedy

for the United States.

There's so many threads to pull here.

You mentioned in the opening the Watergate scandal, and I agree with you completely.

I think it was a third-rate burglary, but I was watching,

because

I'm a gun for punishment, I was watching this cheerleading interview they did with Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein over the weekend.

I think it was with Jonathan Carl.

All three of them are contemptible scoundrels.

And the way they gloat over

this small third-rate burglary vis-a-vis the foreign

oligarch connections and verified lies, it is disgusting.

I think that would be, as the kids say, one of the greatest black pills is that they have been milking this Watergate

bonanza for 50 years, Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward.

I mean, by themselves, they're just standard reporters.

There's nothing special about them, but because they toppled Nixon, they've been revered as sort of saints.

And, you know,

they were my age when they put the water.

They were both 28 when they put the Watergate story together.

I think Carl was 29.

But essentially,

the way Jonathan Carl was talking about them, you think they were like bishops in the Catholic Church of journalism.

It was just so, so disgusting to hear.

And yet, like you said, it doesn't even compare.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it still was.

I mean,

I still think it was impeachable and everything else.

But they've lost

any platform they should have had because of that

by now selectively not coming in and saying, well, no, this is no big deal.

You know, you can't be a hero unless you take on your own side as well.

Can't.

Can't root out corruption if it's only halfway.

Yes, and that's one of the ironies of them labeling us.

Like, they want us to be labeled a, you know,

a Trumpist organization.

But we actually spend more time in this report talking about Republicans.

For example, here's one

tidbit that came out during our research.

Of the 51 former spooks who signed the letter letter on October 19th, 2020, there are more Republicans on that list than Democrats.

And most people

haven't touched on that.

That list is a who's who

of establishment Republicans that went all in for Joe.

So that's another wrinkle to this.

And there are so many instances within the laptop of influence peddling with Republicans.

I mean, Hunter was good friends with Strom Thurman's son-in-law, who's a big Republican lobbyist in D.C.

And, you know, that was Joey's brand for 36 years in the Senate.

This is a bipartisan guy.

So the laptop is not just, oh, a Republican,

you know,

hitting stick.

It is an indictment of the entire Uniparty.

And all we try to do was bring specificity to that.

And, you know, I'm not sure if your listeners know this, but they can go and

download and view all 128,000 emails from the device at bidenlaptopemails.com for free.

And that's one of the things driving Hunter and his attorneys up a wall is

we've done all this sort of as a charity,

for free.

There's no barrier to entry.

Anybody with an internet connection can go to bidenlaptopemails.com and search by keyword.

And so they can fact check you and I in real time as we talk about this.

So when I talk about, you know, Venmo notifications for for prostitute and drug purchases, you know,

people don't have to take my word for it.

You can go to BidenLaptopEmail.com.

And I think that's one of the cool things we've done is now that Julian Assange is tragically in the pen for no good reason,

they have

they hate that we're sort of a mini version of WikiLeaks for the laptop.

That's really what they're what we're trying to do, and they hate that.

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James Polis joins us now.

He is the Blaze media Editor at Large and the Blaze TV host of Zero Hour.

He is also the founder and editor or editorial director of Return, which is a new vertical on theblaze.com.

We have several different things that we're working on and one of them is return, just like on your keyboard when you hit return.

It's all about tech.

He wrote a story that is one of the more disturbing dystopian stories.

And we've done our homework on this to some degree enough to go, oh no, this is actually in practice and being used by the University of Michigan right now.

This is not some, you know, someday.

And it's a little bit like the Matrix.

Environmentalists are worried about how do we make enough power to be able to power AI.

Well,

they have found a way

called

organoids.

Wait until you hear this.

James is with us now.

Hello, James.

Hey, Glenn, how are you?

Well, I was better before I read your story on organoids.

Yeah, I know.

This is bizarre and terrifying.

Yeah, it's really disturbing.

And it's been around for a little while, but it's really starting to kick into gear.

As you said, you know, AI consumes a ton of electricity, a lot of energy.

You know, environmentalists have always hated nuclear power for pretty perverse reasons, I think.

And so they're so afraid of using nuclear power that what's in vogue now is turning to us to be the batteries.

Just take those stem cells out of embryos or out of the labs, sometimes even out of tumors, turn them into...

brain cells, basically, and use those as batteries to power

what they're calling bioprocessors.

They say it'll use about a million times less power than a typical digital processor.

And that's a good thing, they say.

You can access them remotely.

And this is the new hype.

You know, it's from the same folks who brought you the idea of going to carbon zero, net zero carbon use.

They look at human beings as a waste of space, a waste of energy, and they want to harness that to run AI that's supposed to be smarter than anyone can understand.

So on FinalSpark's website, this is the company that's doing this, they link to a Daily Mail article that says organoids are tiny, self-organized, three-dimensional tissue cultures made from stem cells.

Stanford's website says stem cells come from two sources, embryonic stem cells,

and then

you know, that's unused embryos, and they are then donated to science, or adult stem cells, but those are really limited and can only generate certain types of cells.

So they also say, Final Sparks website says

these organoids live for about a hundred days.

So are we harvesting embryos, using them to power a supercomputer for a hundred days, and then killing them and looking for more embryo stem cells?

Well, right.

So, you know, if you're uncomfortable with IFV, this stuff is going to drive you nuts.

There's an extra category of stem cells that they've created called induced pluripotent cells.

And basically what you do is you start the embryonic process, but you arrest it before it gets too far.

And then you harvest the stem cells out of this artificially induced embryonic organism, right?

Human organism.

And then you create a fork and you just grow those cells, you know, sort of in the way that they grow fake meat cells.

You know, it's really akin to cancerous cells in the way that they grow.

And right, so this is something that, you know, it's not one and done.

It's not like, well, maybe once upon a time there was an embryo who had to die for the greater good.

No, this is like a perpetual motion machine.

You got to keep harvesting.

Yeah, every hundred days.

This is not a hypothetical, by the way.

Final Spark says the University of Michigan already using this neuro platform.

And

this is because there's not enough energy, and these

organoids

use

so much less energy that if we just harvest these embryos,

we can then

AI can go on and live forever and we don't have energy problems.

Good lord, that's terrifying.

Yeah, I mean, at a certain point, you got to ask, you know, if we were created in the image of God, how far can you stray from that before

something really horrible happens?

None of of this is a surprise.

I mean, Nikola Tesla, back when he was alive,

infamously said, you will live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension.

And we're getting pretty close.

Yeah,

you now have scientists who

don't necessarily believe in God, think that they are creating a God in AI,

now harvesting God's creation to power their new God.

Good Lord, help us.

Yeah, and if you cross that Rubicon where you say, okay, we're going to turn

these brain cells into cyborgs, into Frankenstein cells, then it's not very long before you say, like, well, gosh, why don't we just turn the whole human race into this kind of cyborg entity?

You know, the Terminator, at least the machines are stomping around looking to wipe us out.

These machines are trying to look at us more as the solution than the problem because they just suck all their energy out of us.

You know, I was

reading a book about energy and how all this is going.

And

it will.

I mean, if it's an entity that needs food, needs energy to live just like us, you're trapped in the mountains, you know, in a snowstorm, and there's 20 of you, and you start dying, you're going to start eating each other.

You have to survive, and that is what happens.

The same thing, it will eat whatever will give it the energy.

I'd rather not train it to eat people or anything

to do with people.

Well, especially when you got nuclear power there.

And, you know, to their credit, there are some tech guys out there who are working on advanced forms of nuclear power, clean energy coming out of things that you can do, splitting up atoms and the like.

Yeah, there are risks there, but gosh, I mean, if we're going to go down this road to any degree where we're going to need significantly more energy in order to, you know, whether it's stay ahead of China or whatever excuse you want to come up with,

or just, you know,

for the sake of more human flourishing, imagine that.

Gosh, you got to take a look at nuclear before you start looking at the guy sitting next to you as your source of energy.

I saw a story yesterday about here in Idaho that they're shutting down the water on because of environmental reasons.

They're shutting down the water for, I don't even remember, half a million acres or more of farmland here.

They're just going to shut the water off.

So all these farmers are going to lose their farmland.

But coincidentally, what is also happening at exactly the same time is they are opening up cobalt mines in Idaho.

And these cobalt mines need tons of water to keep the drills cool and everything else.

And those are for batteries.

So it appears as if the state of Idaho shafted the farmers and said, forget about the food, transfer the water to the cobalt mines so we can have batteries.

That's more important.

And nobody's tied these two together yet.

We're in trouble.

We have misplaced our values.

It's a big problem.

And you know what else is crazy about Idaho, Glenn, is right now there's some Bitcoin mining going on in Idaho.

Now, you know, a lot of people sort of don't understand how Bitcoin works.

They're skeptical, but this is something that is still a first-rate technology that ordinary Americans can use starting right now.

It takes maybe a minute or two to learn how to do it, but you can do it.

When the Bitcoin miners take the energy that they need in order to do what they do, legislators get upset.

Oh, I don't know, this is using a lot of energy.

So they're looking at curbing the ability of the miners to use electricity or even charging them more for their electrical use.

Meanwhile, when Facebook comes to town in Idaho and they say, hey, we're building a gigantic data center, it's going to consume tons and tons of energy, the legislators say, well, if you're creating jobs, we'll actually give you a tax cut.

This is how messed up our priorities are right now.

Wow.

I don't know if you saw the godfather of AI, but Jeffrey Hinton.

He's the guy who left Google, if I remember right.

And

he left Google because he said they were going into some unethical things and it was becoming a real danger.

Do you remember this story?

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

And he said he had real fear at Google that the that AI would fall into the hands of bad actors.

He just did an interview

where

he said that

He was asked the question here, if he was in favor of a super intelligent AI destroying humanity and replacing it with something objectively better in terms of consciousness.

He said, I'm actually for it, but I think it'd be wiser for me to say that I'm against it.

He was then pressed on and asked, can you elaborate?

He said, well, people don't like being replaced.

Well, yeah, no, I'm good.

He said, it's not.

It's not clear that we're the best form of intelligence that there is.

Obviously, from a person's perspective, everything relates to people.

But it may be that there comes a point when we see things like humanist as a racist term.

We're dealing with people who are very, very smart and very, very clever.

But

many of these people are anti-human and they hide behind the environmentalist thing

to

get away with it.

It's really diabolical.

I mean,

if you're looking for an intelligence that's higher than human intelligence that actually doesn't want to kill us, but in fact loves us with a love beyond human comprehension, it's right there in the form of God the Creator.

And if you reject the existence of God, then it's just really looking like these days only a matter of time before you reject the existence of human beings too.

I know it's not everyone.

I know there's some atheists out there who think that human beings are still good, but it's looking like they're outnumbered and they're losing the battle for the soul of the atheists, if you will.

I mean, these guys, some of them, they have really just

hate humanity and they think that intelligence is

more important than love.

They think the brain is more important than the heart.

And, you know, it all sounds interesting when it's at the level of theory, but when you ask them to develop it out into practice, it doesn't mean replacing humans.

It means wiping them out.

So, which movie do you think is more likely?

I mean, I never thought The Matrix, but The Matrix, you know,

batteries, human batteries, and it creating a utopia in people's minds.

Or do you see us, I mean, remember the beginning of Skynet and the Terminator, the first line, I think, in that movie is the machines rose from the ashes in the nuclear fire.

And it was AI that had been used by the Pentagon and the world's war machines.

And then we blew ourselves up and AI decided we were the problem and started to wipe us out.

Here we are talking about the absolute unthinkable World War III, which would end in nuclear war and wipe almost all life off the planet.

And we are giving the keys to much of our work.

We just had Jack Carr on yesterday where he was talking about, you know, he said,

nobody would tell me exactly, but if I talk to enough people, they're putting it all together and you can look at it and go, oh, we're turning the keys over

of our killing machines over to AI soon.

That's not, that can't be a good thing.

Which, which

movie are we?

Are we going towards?

It's kind of like, you know, are we Brave New World or 1984?

I think we're 1984.

Are we headed more towards

the Terminator or the Matrix?

Well, you know, we've got lots of sci-fi movies to choose from.

I would point toward, you know, we've got sci-fi horror films that we can look at, too.

We got movies like Event Horizon.

We got series like Hellraiser, where the bad guys are interdimensional demons who get summoned by human beings and lead them into hell.

We've got, you know, David Cronenberg, Videodrome.

He's got other films, you know, that really show you that, yeah, there is that side of technology that makes you, it sort of fills you with childlike wonder and all these promises of flourishing beyond imagination.

Well, there's a dark side too.

And if we pretend the dark side isn't there, that's usually the way that we get led astray in the worst possible way.

So is there anything that can be done, going back to the first topic of using stem cells from embryos for human brains into these organoids,

is there anything that we should be looking towards or pushing for or

what?

Well, you know, I mean, I think number one, we got to ask ourselves some serious questions about

how

enslaved we're going to be if we are always looking to China.

If we look at China and say, oh, they're taking over, you know, we can't beat them unless we join them or we have to fight fire with fire.

If we are constantly comparing ourselves to what the Chinese are doing, we're going to lose touch with who we really are as Americans and depending on how things shake out as human beings.

That's point one.

I think point two is, yeah, okay, you want to innovate on energy?

Look to nuclear.

This is not some bizarre new technology.

It's been around for a long time.

Some countries that, you know, the French, the Japanese, yeah, they had Fukushima, but they have tsunamis all the time.

Not a problem in most of the United States.

There are ways of doing plentiful energy that don't involve turning human beings into these sort of Frankenstein cyborgs and using them for energy.

James, thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

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