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We take on the first part of the program is one of the most insane articles I've ever read that shows you how ESG works just on a personal level.

How this whole wokeness is just destroying people and what it means to freedom of speech and freedom of thought and a society that can move forward.

Then we talked to Sarah Gonzalez about a brand new documentary on voter fraud that the Blaze has released today.

It's out, but you need to hear some of the things that are in it.

It's really nuts.

And some good news.

We have Wilfrid Riley on.

He has just written a book about the lies his liberal teacher told me.

He's an associate professor at

Kentucky State University.

And I don't think he has tenure, so this interview and his book is probably not going to help him out in the

world, but it is really worth listening to and learning new kinds of truths that have been buried now by the left for so long.

All that and so much more on today's podcast.

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Now, I want to share something with you, and I want to show you

one of the most dangerous articles and irresponsible

so-called journalists that I know.

And I mean, I know him.

He worked at the Blaze for quite some time, and then he went to CNN,

and his name is Oliver Darcy.

And I don't know what happened to Oliver,

but he has gone very, very dark and is a danger to our democracy.

Now, with that being said, our republic, with that being said, I would

I cheer on that Oliver Darcy can say what he wants to say.

I think it is

irresponsible.

I think he is, well, let me just read the article and you'll see.

Okay.

CNN, Ticketmaster under fire for promoting Tucker Carlson's conspiracy-laden tour.

Now, Ticketmaster under fire, from whom?

Ticketmaster is linking arms with right-wing extremists, boosting their ability to reach mainstream audiences and profiting off their dangerous and hateful rhetoric ahead of the November election.

Ticketing sales giant is the distributor of the forthcoming live speaking tour from Tucker Carlson, who announced plans this week to crisscross the country with a 15-city arena tour, inviting fellow conspiracy theorists such as Alex Jones and Marjorie Taylor Greene to join him along the way.

Yeah, in two cities, those are the guests.

I'm a guest in another city.

Megan Kelly is a guest in another city.

You know, I don't know what to tell you.

Sorry you think they're all so dangerous and their voices should be silenced.

So what is he doing so far?

Listen, on Ticketmaster website, Carlson is referred to as the leading voice in America politics and an alternative to corporate media dedicated to telling the truth about things that matter clearly and without fear.

So, he's doing a couple of things here.

First of all, he is attacking Ticketmaster.

The approach is not to just say, you shouldn't go and here's why.

The approach is go after Ticketmaster.

Force Ticketmaster through pressure campaigns to drop Carlson.

He is then also

making his reality and his opinion, your opinion, America's opinion, the only correct opinion that Carlson is not one of the leading voices in American politics.

He absolutely is.

And an alternative to corporate media.

dedicated to telling the truth about things that matter clearly and without fear.

That's what he sets out to do.

And he is an alternative to corporate media.

And speak without fear?

Yeah, you know what you have to fear?

People like Oliver Darcy smearing you and making you into a monster.

He does it anyway because he doesn't care.

While it's hard to imagine that Ticketmaster conjured this glowing description of Carlson itself, it's remarkable that the company would approve of it and promote it on its site.

This is the ESG mentality.

This is the way business will be done in the future in this new corporate, public-private partnership with our governments.

This is the way things will be done.

You will be shamed into doing something.

That's because there's not a morsel of truth to how Ticketmaster is presenting Carlson to its customer.

Wow, not a morsel of truth.

Carlson, a former mainstream conservative who, over the course of Donald Trump's

pregnancy, presidency, traveled to the fringes of American politics, has for years promoted dangerous disinformation and damaging conspiracy theories.

Carlson lied about the COVID-19 vaccines.

Did he?

Did he?

He discouraged his fans from receiving the life-saving shots.

Okay,

well, that's kind of looking like a smart move at this point.

He sowed doubt about the legitimacy of the 2020 election.

Well, wait a minute.

What is CNN doing every time they have Hillary Clinton on or Al Gore on or anybody else?

Don't you often have

what's her name?

The governor of Georgia?

Isn't she often on CNN?

Sowing conspiracy theories that she lost the election in Georgia?

And then then he irreprehensibly peddled the false notion that January 6th insurrection was a so-called false flag operation staged by the deep state.

Okay,

he peddled that theory.

What does that mean exactly?

Pedaled that theory.

By the way, all the things that he's pointing out here seem to be more and more true.

I don't know.

There's still theories, haven't been proven.

But in America and a free society, you must be allowed to conjure up theories like,

hey,

the sun doesn't revolve around the earth.

Controversial at the time.

Not controversial now.

If you are not allowed to question the official narrative of what's happening in your society, you do not have a free society.

And as I pointed out, more and more of these things seem to be true.

And you have to go back and say, all right, who's telling me this?

Do they have any credibility at all?

I always tell you, I don't ask for your trust.

I don't ask for it ever.

I want you to listen to me as a different opinion that brings different facts to the table.

But I don't want want you to just take my word for it.

I encourage you.

Last night I did another show and I put all of the information, all of the facts, all of the original documents there on Glennbeck.com so you could do your own homework and you could decide.

It is, in a free society, essential that you question,

in this case now, more and more, the government/slash

media narrative.

The Hunter Biden laptop.

Has that come to mind?

That's a conspiracy theory.

The New York Times still cannot admit that that's really his.

The Russian Trump bank

link that, you know,

he was pinging a bank from, that was all false.

CNN reported on that.

The steel dossier, the masks.

You got to have the masks.

The COVID-19, it will stop it in its track.

You will kill people if you don't have the vaccine.

By the way, let alone everything that the governor of New York was doing with his brother on CNN.

But those aren't dangerous conspiracy theories.

No, those are truths that we still kind of think are true, but we're not going to look into them.

Their own people are afraid to look into things because they can't.

What they'll find is they're being duped at best.

They are partners in duping America, most likely.

In addition, he says, to those corrosive

lies, Carlson has been one of the top promoters of the great replacement theory.

An idea favored by white supremacists that falsely accuses the Democratic Party and wealthy Jewish figures such as George Soros.

Okay, so now he's making his his victim here.

He is making

Carlson into a white supremacist

and anti-Jewish because he talks about George Soros.

Let me tell you, the only person in this narrative that is anti-Jewish is George Soros.

The theory is that they're importing third world migrants into the U.S.

to shift the country's demographics to win elections.

That's a corrosive lie.

No, that's a theory.

You can look at it that way.

I personally don't think that that's what that is.

I personally think they're doing it to collapse the entire West.

For his repugnant promotion of such lies, the New York Times noted that while Carlson was at Fox News, he constructed what may be the most racist show in the history of cable news.

Well, I'm glad I don't have that now.

Thank you, Tucker.

Thank you, New York Times, for releasing me from the position of the most racist, hateful show ever on cable news.

Ultimately, Carson grew, Carlson grew to be too much of a problem for even Fox News.

Where have I read this before?

Ask for comment this week, representatives for the Live Nation subsidiary.

Okay, notice this.

First it's Ticketmaster.

But if you can't get Ticketmaster, go to its corporate master, Live Nation.

So not getting any answer from Ticketmaster, I'm going to go to their parent company, and they chose not to respond.

So now it's Ticketmaster and Live Nation.

In fairness to the company's public relations division, it is difficult to see how they could defend such conduct.

How could any decent person not only participate in enabling

Carlson's poisoning of the public discourse, but also justify profiting off of his hateful rhetoric in the process?

We posed that question.

Now, Ticketmaster, Live Nation, we pose those questions to the venues hosting Carlson, the Honda Center, T-Mobile Center, Delta Center, Dickey's Arena, Intrust Bank Arena, and others.

The spokespeople didn't respond.

These are uneasy questions that major businesses will be confronted with in the years ahead.

As I said at the beginning, this is the ESG plan.

As the Republican Party veers further and further toward the fringe, let me ask you something.

Who is fringe?

The one that says, I believe in the absolute right for freedom of speech.

I believe in the right that you can question

the government, you can question authority, and you have a right to your opinion.

That's called the First Amendment here in America.

So am I fringe

or Oliver Darcy and people like him on the left that are saying, no,

you don't have a right to freedom of speech.

We do.

okay.

Companies with basic ethics should, of course, reject doing business with dishonest figures who profit by dumping toxic waste into the country's information environment.

Well, you know, Oliver, be careful what you wish for because that sounds like you

by doing so puts them at risk of being targeted by those very same people like Trump who have tremendous sway over the vast majority of Republicans and a lightning rod for painful boycotts.

Hmm, okay, wait a minute.

Painful boycotts.

Now again, he goes back to threatening businesses.

But while the politics of 24 make for a thorny business environment for companies to navigate, from an ethics perspective, and he knows ethics, the questions that lie before them come with clear and obvious answers.

Those uncomfortable decisions risk catapulting them squarely in to the center of the information wars wars where grifters like Carlson thrive

you know i don't agree with everything tucker carlson says i certainly don't agree with anything that oliver darcy now has

become and says

but i don't want him shut down i don't want a boycott of cnn

i'd like people to recognize reality You know, American Airlines and all you big businesses, why are you advertising on CNN?

literally no one is watching so what is it that you're trying to signal and to whom because it's clearly not the American people because the American people aren't seeing their ads

I don't want them boycotted or anything else I don't want Oliver Darcy to be silenced

I just think that someone with a different opinion should have the right to say, this guy's a jackass

This guy is trying to use absolutely every tool in the Sololinsky book.

This is this article is 100% Sololinsky

He's using every Sololinsky tool in the in the book

To do what

to create fear in the corporate world to create fear with you to create fear of Tucker Carlson and anyone like him, and anyone who has a different opinion, you should fear and push away from you.

The opposite is what you should do for a free nation.

You should listen to other people's points of view and then decide for yourself who has credibility here, who doesn't.

Either you're going to stand for something or you're going to just keep sitting down and you'll fall for anything.

What is worth standing for?

When and where can you stand?

Could you do business with companies that share your values?

That's the easiest way.

You and I are part of a movement dedicated to creating a parallel economy, a marketplace of ideas, goods, and services from companies that don't sell out to the woke mob.

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Now back to the podcast.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Blaze TV host of Sarah Gonzalez Unfiltered.

It was really hard.

We started with a name, and then we're like, we got to find a Sarah Gonzalez to be able to do this show.

We might have thought about doing it a different way, but we found her and she's perfect.

She is the perfect Sarah Gonzalez to host Unfiltered.

Sarah, welcome to the program.

How are you?

Thank you.

Thanks for having me.

I'm good.

I consider that job security, Glenn.

You're not going to find another Sarah Gonzalez, and we've already made a show.

Yeah, we looked.

We looked.

So anyway, you're you're doing another Blaze original.

We've all been doing this.

This is episode five.

The documentary is called Voter Fraud Exposed, How Elections Can Be Stolen.

I have to tell you, I saw a rough cut of it, I don't even know, a couple weeks ago.

Oh, my gosh, Sarah.

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah.

Just Michigan alone is.

I mean, you sat down with the woman who was the Secretary of State, right?

Yes.

Yeah.

And she, I believe she was replaced by a Secretary of State that was part of the George Soros thing.

Correct.

Correct.

Yes.

Jocelyn Benson.

Yes.

Uh-huh.

And

give people a clue on just

Michigan.

Sure.

So, yes.

In 2018, Jocelyn Benson replaced Ruth Johnson.

Ruth Johnson was a Republican who, more importantly, was interested in doing the right thing when it came to protecting the voter rolls and keeping them secure and fresh and dated.

And so, or I should say, not outdated.

And so, what Jocelyn Benson did, she is, as you pointed out, Soros-funded.

She is former SPLC, just to give you an idea of who she is and what she's about.

Yeah.

And so, she is one of these.

In case you don't know that, that's Southern Poverty Law Center, which is the worst of the worst.

Yeah.

Okay, go ahead.

Yeah.

So, she is part of the Secretary of State project that George Soros is funding.

So, she comes in to the state of Michigan and she tries to allow Michigan to count ballots that were received after Election Day.

She was luckily sued and lost that battle.

But since then, we've had ballot referendums that you can have same-day registration.

This is proposition three in Michigan.

You can have same-day registration and you can register without showing a photo ID in the state of Michigan and your vote counts.

Yes, yes, yes.

I mean, you need a photo ID for anything.

Everything, everything.

Except for the most important

thing a citizen can do.

Right, right.

And well, and we point out in the documentary: it's like, if I were not just in the state of Michigan, but I would imagine most other states and cities, if you go to your local library, you can't get a library card without showing your ID.

It is insane that you shouldn't have to show your ID in order to participate in the voting process.

And by the way, this is something else we point out.

It's like almost 80% of Americans, both left and right, agree that you should have to show a photo ID in order to vote.

This is not a partisan thing.

I go down the street from our ranch.

There's a big lake across the street, and I have to go about, I don't know, five miles to

this little

crate little kind of general store.

I had to get a fishing license.

I needed ID.

Everybody in there knows who I am.

I needed ID to be able to get a fishing license.

Did you guys see Texas Representative Wesley Hunt talk about this?

No.

Yesterday.

It's brilliant.

He shows all of his

government-issued IDs.

He's black.

He shows all of his government-issued IDs, including a driver's license and,

you know, a passport.

And he's got like six different forms of ID showing how insulting it is that the left is saying that blacks don't have ID.

It's ridiculous.

Well, this will give you kind of a clue into how sinister

this initiative is, is that Republicans in the state of Michigan actually, they had a bill that they passed that was going to expand and allow free photo ID for people.

So there would be no excuse to say, well, it's too expensive.

And

the idea is that minorities can't afford it, I guess, which is inherently racist.

We've been told they don't know where the DMV is.

Right, right.

Which again seems a little racist to assume.

But so Governor Gretchen Whitmer actually vetoed that bill.

Oh, geez.

But just to give you an idea of where, I mean, what possible reason, as our friend Steve Dace likes to say, what is the innocent, benign explanation for vetoing such legislation?

There isn't one.

So

they

can't even now,

because of this new legislation, they can't even ask for ID.

Correct.

So you go in, right, to the voting booth.

You want to go into the voting booth.

You go in and you say, my name's Glenn Beck.

And, you know, they'll probably, maybe, I don't even know.

Do they ask for an address?

And they look you up if you're on the rolls.

Or in the case of Michigan, you can now just register.

You can go in and say, I'm not registered.

I want to register right now.

But none of it is hooked up to the internet.

So they can't verify anything.

Right.

And so you can go in and register and then just get a ballot and vote.

What could go wrong?

What could possibly go wrong?

You know, and it's always from the left who claims that they care so much about democracy, which is just so laughable at this point.

Not that we have a democracy, but if you did care about democracy and you did care, you know, about the state of your country, you would want election integrity and security.

That would be at the top of your list.

And instead, they are trying to, you know, in the state of Michigan, I'll go back to Michigan again, in the state of Michigan, they now have a constitutional right to vote by mail.

I mean, you are talking about such an outdated system.

I think France banned it in like 1975.

France uses paper.

All of these other first world countries, civilized countries, have decided that mail-in voting is terrible, a horrible way of doing things.

Of course it is.

Jimmy Carter co-authored a bipartisan report that said we cannot have mail-in voting because it makes it more likely to you know to have fraud and all sorts.

I mean, this was something that we all agreed upon decades ago.

And now all of a sudden, there are states that are run by these left-wing Secretary of State, you know, Secretaries of State, and they are going in and changing the system to allow these types of things.

Let me ask you, let me ask

the average person.

You're driving in your car and you hear about Glenn's bank.

Say that you knew a Glenn that had any kind of credibility at all.

Glenn's bank.

And

we invite you in to put your money in our bank.

And we're going to make it easy for you to write checks.

We're going to make it easy for you to come in and withdraw your money.

We're never going to ask you for ID.

Would you put your money in that bank?

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

So, why would we do this with elections on anything?

On anything.

It's crazy.

So, give me some white pill news, can you?

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, everyone will see when they go and watch this New Blaze Originals that they can go watch right now.

They will see some hope in the sense that there are organizations that are working around the clock to prevent these types of things from happening.

They are largely successful in the courts.

One of them is, of course, PILF, the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

I spoke with them.

They are suing the crap out of these states and out of these secretaries of states who are engaging in this business.

They are suing about

all of the dead people on the voter rolls in the state of Michigan.

The RNC is now suing the state of Michigan for the, you know, it's just that there's 105%

of Michigan population that's currently registered to vote.

And, you know, I'm not great at math, but I'm good enough to know that there's something a little bit wrong with that.

So So

it's hard to have 105% of anything.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I'm going to have 105% of that pie over there.

Wow.

That's a skill.

Right.

So, I mean, you know, in talking to these experts, they say, vote.

Don't be discouraged and not vote because we can still blow them out.

We can still overwhelm the system and we should.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Knowledge is power.

I mean, we are exposing these people for what they are doing.

And the more exposure that we can give them, the less likely it is that they are able to just commit this in broad daylight.

And like I said, we have these legal foundations who are suing these states.

And in most cases, in a lot of cases, they are largely successful in that.

So if Secretary of State Benson isn't going to remove dead people from her voter rolls until the courts force her to, well, you know what?

At the end of the day, she's still going to be forced to remove these people.

So we are making moves.

We have organizations that are tackling this, but we have to expose this for what it really is.

I will tell you, I think that there is

a good chance that

a landslide does happen.

I mean,

I just can't imagine going into the booth and you being a Democrat and pulling the lever for more of this.

and saying, yeah, I want, no, and

I think Joe Biden is the guy to trust with possible World War III.

I think he's got the economy right.

I think, you know, all of the things that he has done, you might pull it for RFK Jr.

or Trump, but I just cannot see people voting for him.

And

honestly, when people ask themselves,

am I, Am I, was I better off four years ago?

Like a lot better off?

The answer is yes.

And we've always asked, I wish somebody would just run this place like a business.

Well, that's what Donald Trump was doing.

And look at the results until COVID happened.

So go out and vote.

I think if everybody, they're going to try to blackpill you.

But

if you don't listen to that and you go out and vote, I think the numbers will be overwhelming.

But what do I know?

Well, I would tell you this too, Glenn.

There are certain states that have already passed election integrity and voter security laws.

So states like Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, Florida.

I mean, the more states that are passing these voter integrity laws, which I know the left will tell you is racist, and they'll tell you they're not allowing you to drink water in line and all of these other lies.

The fact of the matter is, these are states that are making elections more secure.

And, you know, we can have other states follow suit in that.

All right, Blaze Original, episode number five, Voter Voter Fraud Exposed: How Elections Can Be Stolen.

It's a new doc and it's out now.

If you are a Blaze TV subscriber, if you're not, go to Blazetv.com/slash Glenn.

And what is the promo code?

Is it voter fraud?

Voter fraud, yes.

Yeah, voter fraud.

Um, and you can watch it now, it's available uh on Blaze TV.

Sarah, thank you so much.

Thank you.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Deck program,

Wilford Riley, welcome to the program.

How are you, sir?

Good.

Good to be back on the show.

Yeah, last time you were on, we were talking about the 1776 project, if I remember right.

Yeah, we were talking about 1776 Unites and some of the issues with the 1619 project, which also come up in this book a little bit.

Yeah, so talk about the lies my liberal teacher told me.

Yeah, so the new book, I mean, you just named it.

It's called Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me.

And it's a response to not just really one book, but kind of a trend in American education and American media.

So there have been like eight or ten of these books over the past couple decades.

I mean, the one you mentioned, it's actually pretty good is James Lowen's Lies My Teacher Told Me.

It came out in 1995.

But, I mean, you also have the 1619 Project's book, 1619, A Black History of America and the Lies They're Telling You.

It came out a couple of years ago.

You have Bury My Hearted Wounded Knee, A Native American History of the United States, which is literally just a chronicling of all the battles the Indians lost and none of the ones they won, which came out in 1968.

You kind of wonder why the war went on for 400 years when you read it.

But, I mean, that old communist, Howard Zinn's, A People's History in the United States and the lies they're telling you.

And you kind of, I mean, we've all read these in high school or college, and you kind of get the theme as you go go through them.

But reading them as an academic scientist, there are social sciences.

There are two points that they really keep making.

And one is kind of Western culture, white descent culture, American culture is the worst society in history.

Like we oppressed women and we kept slaves and we treated battle captives horribly and no one else really did.

And point two is if you know this, you are one of the elect.

Like the books will actually include lines like your parents probably don't know too much about feminism or don't know what happened to the Indians.

So you're kind of one of the smart new kids.

And when you think about it, that's what woke means.

Like everyone was asleep and now you're awake.

You're aware of what's really going on in this filthy society.

So

to me, the basic perspective that these authors were coming from was just BS.

Like the idea that the American Academy

is too patriotic and leans too far to the right and spends all day complimenting complimenting the USA was just crazy.

So I decided to actually read the textbooks we've been using for the past like 20 years, populations of people and all that, and see whether there was any element of truth to that at all.

And what I found is there's some jingoistic stuff.

Our troops get praised quite appropriately, but that most of the big lies in society are told from the other direction.

And so in my book, I counter two themes.

One, obviously, I don't think Western culture is any worse than any other human culture, Arabic, Chinese, so on.

In fact, I think it's way better, and I make that argument.

But at very least, if you put our society in context, you can't claim that the other great societies didn't also have slaves, which is something most Americans no longer know.

You can't claim that women's rights existed really anywhere in the world outside of certain tribes before the last 100 years or so.

Paralyzed captives in general were blinded or castrated or whatever, and then you got to practice your boat rowing skills for the rest of your life.

So

these points I just make, and it's important because we've almost forgotten that.

But then I think the second point is more important.

I make the point that

the narrative that's presented as kind of edgy and rebellious, like Marxism-light, mainstream feminism, the left wing of the Democratic Party, is not, in fact, some rebellious thing that only cool high school kids know about.

It's the absolute mainstream of society.

AOC is in Congress.

Joe Biden's in the White House.

You know, Pride parades are sponsored by Halliburton.

So this is the educational curriculum.

It's not some occasional supplement you get.

And what I'm pointing out in the book is that most of the things that we are teaching are empirically wrong.

Like the resistance is sort of the center-right dad who's looking at this and thinking, wow, this is all BS, isn't it?

So I try to write a book for that guy.

So

let me take you through a couple of the topics in the book.

Native Americans were peaceful people who spent all day dancing.

You know, I love Native American culture and history, and some of them were really good, you know, like us.

They were, you know, people

and they would war from time to time, but they were really good and tried to be fair and honest.

And some of them were horrible monsters, just like, I don't know, us.

Yeah, well, that's a point that I make.

So someone once said, actually, I think interestingly enough, this was a slave trader, Tipu Tip, who would have known, but he said that the great weakness of the liberal or of the white man was the belief that other people were different from and better than you.

And the great weakness of what he called the warrior, the barbarian, was the belief that other people were different from and worse than you.

And today we could probably sub in the liberal and the conservative.

But his comment was that all people are pretty much just the same.

Yes.

All groups of people everywhere in the world have the exact same vices.

If you went to a stable black African country, Nigeria, Ghana, people would just be people.

You went to a business meeting, they'd be people.

You went to China, you know, a little regimented over there, but people would just be people.

Certainly, that'd be the case in Thailand, so on down the line.

And that's what we found with Native Americans when I did serious research.

Yeah, there were tribes that were peaceful.

Most of those were in the process of being conquered when the white incomers arrived, by the way.

But there were also a lot of warrior tribes that were brutal by any standard because you didn't have the regulations that existed in the old world.

You didn't have the laws that had descended from Rome.

You didn't have nations around you where a Christian king might check you if your behavior became too extreme.

So you had people like the Aztecs who actually built a cannibal kingdom that was about the size of Mexico.

And if you lost a war with the Aztecs, they'd eat you.

The surrounding nations would send in sort of hunger game game-style tributes to the Aztec Empire every year, and there'd be an annual ceremony where they'd kill and eat 50,000 people.

And none of this is disputed.

It's widely accepted in anthropology.

Talk to me about the Red Scare.

Talk to me about the Red Scare here.

It didn't catch any communists.

It was a horrible blemish.

And in some ways, it was a horrible blemish.

But in other ways,

that story that there weren't communist infiltration, you know, that they didn't catch anybody, that's not true.

No, it's not true at all.

So one of the things I do in this book is contrast kind of the first glance public perception that the average upper middle class American or blue collar aristocrat and certainly their kids have of historical incidents with reality.

And very often the two don't even resemble one another.

So the Ritz scare, I mean, now Joe McCarthy had some problems personally.

He drank a little too much.

He got mislabeled some people.

But I mean, like Huok, for example, the House on American Activities Committee correctly identified a large number of people who were communist spies as communist spies.

The idea that we were just pointing out random citizens who happened to be black or left-leaning and accusing them of communism is false, and we now know that.

And by the way, kind of getting to the point, we know that for a specific reason.

Like in the 1990s, we finished the declassification of what are known as the Venona cables, which are the V-E-N-O-N-A for the listening audience.

Yeah.

And a lot of smart people on the right know that, but this isn't widely known in general.

These are the decrypted exchanges between Russia and her agents over here.

So we now, and we were friendly with Mr.

Putin in the late 1990s, so we have this.

I mean, we know who they were.

And you can just go to Wikipedia or Britannica and look up Venona cables and see who the Russian agents in the USA were.

And as a political scientist, I mean, you're often expected to work on these.

I've looked at them.

So

long story short, many of the people that were accused of Russian espionage in the 50s and 60s, I mean, you're talking about the Rosenbergs, Alger Hiss, all these people who became cause celebs for the global left, Dalton Trumbo,

all those three were, in fact, Russian spies.

And we've known that for decades.

It's just sort of been minimized as part of this narrative, where McCarthyism has become a word for unprovokedly, baselessly accusing people of crimes.

And I don't think that's valid.

And I go through this whole

Red Scare chapter where I name the spies and I point out: look, we can say that one or two of these congressmen overstepped, but

there was another global empire at this time, and they were communist, and they did have the country full of spies, and here are the spies.

But I feel a little when it comes to the Red Scare,

I don't like the fact that

we were reporting on each other and that we were

forced to give lists.

That's really what wokeness is doing right now.

Turn people in who have a different opinion.

There were people that were communist or had attended communist meetings that weren't necessarily spies.

Going after spies, that's one thing.

But having the entire country,

you know,

turn around and

just hunt for people, I don't think is a good thing.

Do you?

Well, no, I generally agree.

But, I mean, to put that in context, we did this under COVID.

I mean, you know, there's a hotline in the airports.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, no, I totally disapprove, but just there's a hotline in the airports right now.

If you see something, say something.

I mean, I don't think I've ever called it, but I mean, my fiancé called it once to report suspected trafficking.

So we do this for a large number of things.

And of course, we can criticize, and I think guys would be more likely to criticize that prevalent kind of longhouse snooping in society.

But the reality is that we do essentially what happened during the RIDS scare for a lot of relatively inconsequential things.

Communism was actually an existential threat to the USA.

Oh, it was.

The USA and the USSR.

I think it is still.

Yeah.

I wouldn't dispute you on that one.

But the USA and the USSR almost fought a nuclear war.

So, I mean, this idea of, well, if there's a one in 10 chance of nuclear war, you know, we're going to, we're going to put the boys out there and we're going to have agents following people around if we think there's a chance that you're a Russian asset.

I do think there were some violations of liberties.

I think some of those were justifiable.

But the main point is that

the story that's being told is that almost all of this was sort of made up.

And I open each chapter with quotes from the textbooks and from major journals.

And those about Joe McCarthy are almost all along the lines of he never found a single communist, he made up a list of communists, never identified a single person.

I just don't think that's accurate.

I think he was among the worst of the people doing this, but we found four or five hundred communists, according to Vedona.

Did you ever read Blacklisted by History?

Yes, I did.

What did you think of that?

Yeah, I think that that is a lot of the, I think it's largely correct.

That's actually a reference from the McCarthy chapter, actually.

Yeah, it is.

It is really, when I read that the first time, I actually

set the book down because I thought, if I read this, I better find out if this author is, you know, a stable old guy or a nutjob, because I knew it would change my opinion of things that...

I had always thought were true.

And it did change my opinion on the Red Scare and McCarthy.

Like you said, he was, you know, he was the worst one out there and he was not a good messenger, but he's not the guy that everybody tried to make him out to be.

Or at least

he wasn't the guy who was on a witch hunt without any evidence.

No, I think that's correct.

Yeah, I talked about this on page 29 of the book where I actually provide a link to the book.

So yeah, in the 2007 book, Blacklisted by History, The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and his fight against America's enemies, renowned conservative historian M.

Stanton Evans argues that much of the strong and immediate backlash to McCarthy's allegations occurred because the government wasn't about to admit how real McCarthy's worries were about infiltration.

Last line, but U.S.

officials from both parties, this is a quote, weren't eager to have the reality of communist penetration on their watch and their failure to do much about it broken down in front of the general public.

So that was one of the reasons, and I think, again, we see this with a lot of stuff, including the recent backlash to COVID, including the debates about the border.

Like, you're in a dangerous position if you point out a systemic failure by the government, especially a bipartisan systemic failure.

Like even in the USA, you might disappear and in much of Europe and all the rest of the world, you would because you're pointing out that the organs of state screwed up.

Wilfred Riley is the name of the man I've been speaking to.

He is the author of Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me.

It's available everywhere.

Wilfred, as always, good to have you on.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, Glenn.

Thanks for having me on.

You bet.

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