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Glenn warns his audience of the dangers that come when a government has complete control and power. Pat Gray joins Glenn and Stu to discuss one of Jeffrey Epstein's little black books going up for auction and Epstein's possible ties to the U.S. government. Former investment banker Carol Roth joins to explain the truth of "stagflation" and whether America's economy has reached that terrifying point. Glenn and Stu discuss the various final candidates who are in the running to be Donald Trump's vice president. Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) joins to discuss Donald Trump's "hush money" trial and the kangaroo court it's taking place in. Counterterrorism expert Ryan Mauro joins to discuss how the anti-Israel protests plaguing college campuses appear to be backed by organizations that support Hamas. Glenn reacts to some wild statements Maxine Waters and Gov. Kathy Hochul made recently.
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Hell yeah, this is like the devil's comet, you know, that you can see once every 200,000 years or whatever it is.

I mean, occasionally it happens, you know.

We're not usually around to see it in our lifetime, but I mean, something big happened.

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I need to make an announcement.

I read an article in the New York Times

that I thought

was right.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

The end of a career right in front of your eyes.

I mean, it's crazy.

And when I share it with you, I think you might agree.

Somebody.

One lone person in the basement got a hold of the press and was like, I'm going to write some stuff in here that's right.

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Now this starts out.

This is an editorial and it starts out, and I don't know how to say her name, Ms.

Y P I.

Is it yippy?

I hate to say that, or is it just

P or PI?

I don't know.

But anyway, she is a professor of political theory.

Already I'm dismissing this article.

And she's a professor of political theory at the London School of Economics.

Okay, I'm done.

Okay?

But I forced myself to read it.

I want you to listen to this.

She gets it.

Europe is awash with worry.

Ahead of the parliamentary elections widely expected to deliver gains to the hard right, European leaders can barely conceal their anxiety.

In a speech in late April, President Emmanuel Macron of France captured the prevailing mood.

After eloquently warning of threats to the continent, he pronounced the need for a new, newly powerful Europe.

As I watched the speech, I was reminded of Machiavelli's comments in the opening pages of The Prince.

Now again, what warded me off on this, but I wanted to understand the right or the left, is the headline, Europe is about to drown in the river of the radical right.

Okay, I hope that's not true, because I'm not part of the radical right.

I'm part of the freedom, constitutional right.

So she goes to Machiavelli.

Here's what she says.

When Machiavelli reflected on the crisis of his time, among them conflicts between major European powers, discontent with public officials, and the collapsing legitimacy of the Catholic Church, he turned to the Roman Republic for inspiration.

When there's skepticism about values, he wrote, history is our only remaining guide.

Well,

why do you think people are taking on history and trying to destroy it?

When you don't have values and everything around you is collapsing, you must go back and see what's been done before.

So, history is our only guide.

The secret to Roman freedom, he explained, was neither its good fortune nor its military might.

Instead, it lay in the Romans' abilities to mediate the conflict between the wealthy elites and the vast majority of people, or as he put it, il grandi and il popolo.

the great and the people.

While the inherent tendency of the great, Machiavelli argued, argued, is to accumulate wealth and power to rule the rest, the inherent desire of the people is to avoid being at the elite's mercy.

Makes sense, right?

The elites, they're interested in power and money.

Everybody else is like, you know, that's fine, but I don't want to be ruled over by you with a cruel hand.

The clash between the groups generally pulled

politics in opposite directions.

Yet the Roman Republic had an institution, the tribune of the plebes, that sought to empower the people and contain the elites.

Only by challenging,

only by channeling rather than suppressing this conflict, Machiavelli said, could civic freedom be preserved.

So you don't crush this.

You channel it.

You find a way to broker between the two.

Europe, she writes, has not heeded his advice.

For all the democratic rhetoric, the European Union is closer to an oligarchic institution, overseen by an unelected body of technocrats in the European Commission.

The bloc allows for no popular consultation on policy, let alone participation.

Its fiscal rules, which impose strict limits on the budgets of member states, offer protection for the rich while imposing austerity on the poor.

From top to bottom, Europe is dominated by the interest of the wealthy few who restrict the freedom of the many.

Its predicament, of course, is not unique.

Businesses, financial institutions, credit rating agencies, powerful interest groups call the shots everywhere, severely constraining the power of politicians.

The European Union is far from the worst offender.

Still, in nation-states, the semblance of a democratic participation can be sustained through allegiance to a shared constitution.

Huh.

In the European Union, whose founding myth is the free market, the case is much harder to make.

The transitional character of the bloc is often supposed to be behind Europeans' dislike of it.

Yet there are those who resist the current European Union, and

they do not do so because it's too cosmopolitan.

Very simply and not unreasonably, they resist it because it fails to represent them.

The parliament, for which the Europeans will be voting next month, to take one glaring example of the bloc's lack of democracy, has little legislative power on its own.

It tends to merely rubber stamp decisions made by commissions.

It is this representative gap that is filled by the radical right, turning the problem into simple binaries.

Either you're with them, the state or Europe, or you're with the white worker or the migrant.

With an exception of that line, I've agreed with everything she has written.

It is perhaps surprising that the bloc's democratic deficit has become a rallying cry for the radical right, but it explains much of its success.

A recent poll, for example, showed the European citizens are much more concerned about poverty, jobs, living standards, and climate change than they are are about migration.

This suggests that the appeal of the radical right lies less in its obsessive hostility to migrants than in its criticism of the bloc's failure to address people's everyday concerns.

European politicians could seek to remedy that by changing institutions to improve citizens' bargaining power and make them feel heard.

Instead, they prefer to give stern lectures.

If European politicians are increasingly trapped in emergency management, it's because they have failed in the first tasks of politics worthy of the name, to diagnose the cause of crisis, to explain who's represented and who is excluded, and to defend those whose freedom is endangered.

The politics of the people presented by the radical right may be narrowly

ethnocentric, but it is the only one to offer one that speaks directly to the people's disillusionment.

Our modern princes may choose to look away, yet as long as the radical right continues to dominate the terms of mainstream debate, while its historical roots are discreetly ignored, no appeal to European values will stop the river in which we're all about to drown.

Again, except for that last line, there's two lines in here I don't necessarily agree with because I don't know who the right is.

I will tell you, and I don't know how far the right has gone down the road with the far right, the racist right in Europe.

We all agree, we all know that racists exist.

We can debate whether the Nazis, well,

they are socialists, so we can debate whether they're on the right or the left.

I believe they're on the left because they're socialists.

They don't believe in the Constitution of the United States.

That separates me

with a bold, bold legal line.

Racism.

You can say that I'm a racist, but I'm not.

I'm not.

How can I fight for, anyway,

I'm not a Nazi, but the left will deem me and you and everybody else a Nazi if we disagree with them.

That's an old trope from Europe.

You're either a National Socialist, a Nazi, or you're a communist.

I'm neither.

The people on the right here in the country, for the most part, are neither.

We want a constitutionally appointed government and a constitution that is the same one we've been operating on for over 200 years.

There's nothing wrong with that constitution.

We just don't adhere to it.

But what she's saying here is true.

This is what I've been saying for, I don't know how many years now, a couple of years at least,

that this is not about left and right.

It's not about

the Constitution and racism and

taxes and everything else.

It's not.

It's about a bunch of people who are in the elite class that just

outwardly now say,

we know better

and you're going to do it our way.

And if you don't like it, we'll punish you.

That's not a democracy.

That's not a republic.

It's just not.

And it's not sustainable.

And that's why people are feeling more and more like maybe there's a civil war.

God forbid a civil war, you know, in the next five years.

Why?

Because

You cannot push a free people

into servitude easily, nicely, you eventually have to beat those who are saying, no, I'm not going there.

You don't have that right.

You eventually have to eliminate them, silence them, or kill them.

This person at the New York Times, or believe it or not, at the, I don't know what her, I don't know, I'd love to talk to her because this is, this is an op-ed where I say, okay,

I understand where you're coming now.

So

can we sit down and actually have a conversation?

Because you seem, at least, in this one piece of writing, to

honestly seeking what the real problem is.

And you're not just defaulting into, they're all Nazis.

Because they're not.

Just because people in.

Great Britain want to fly their flag and not the EU, which they have no emotional attachment to.

Because they're proud of their country.

I always think of Texans.

Texans will always say, where are you from?

I'm from Kansas.

Ah, it's a great place.

It's not Texas, but it's a great place.

That's not xenophobia.

That's not

arrogance.

That is a...

a pride for where you're from that is appropriate.

You're not denigrating other places.

You're just saying, my place is great.

You got to see Texas.

That's what Europeans are saying.

Germany is fine.

It's great.

But it's not Italy.

They're tired of people ruling over them.

And we all know it.

I can't say we all know it.

I think 50% of

the country is awake.

I don't know what's wrong with the rest of the country.

I don't know how you don't see this at this point.

I mean, if you have a suggestion on

what I'm missing, what am I missing to tell the American people?

Or is it just that they're not here?

You know, this audience gets it, but for some reason or another, the others are just too,

you know, convinced of whatever and just are not here.

But I don't know what I'm missing and how to talk to the American people and say, how do you not see this?

You don't want a government with more power.

Everything that they told you.

I went through this list yesterday.

Hey, banks are too big to fail.

We got to cut them down to size.

So they passed all this legislation.

And have the banks gotten smaller or bigger?

Who's the bank that's being hurt?

The ones that are part of the Federal Reserve, the big banks, or the little guys that are your neighborhood banks?

Which one is more likely to close?

Certainly not Citibank,

not Bank of America.

It's most likely your little bank.

Are we closer to peace today

or nuclear war?

We're not closer to war.

We're closer to nuclear war than we have been probably since the 1980s.

And that's happened in the last three years.

When you ask yourself, are we better off or worse off?

As a nation,

are we better off or worse off?

As a city, are you better off or worse off?

Your state, better off or worse off?

There are things that your state can do.

Florida is a great example of it.

But those who are following the opposite direction, just look at Florida and California, two massive sunshine states.

Which one would you rather live in?

Forget the

landscape and the beauty?

I think California wins in beauty, and it doesn't have humidity, so it wins.

But when you look past that,

which one?

There's no way I would live in California, and I would in a heartbeat in Florida.

One's going for the Constitution and common sense.

The other one is going over the cliff of progressive insanity.

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I don't understand why this is so controversial.

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So I am, you know, I collect American history and I collect it to preserve it.

And I want to tell the whole story of American history, the good and the bad.

Probably the best example is we have a lot of stuff from Patton, and he was an amazing guy.

But we also have one letter from Patton where he is a monster.

And I mean a monster, no better than the Nazis.

And,

you know, we all have these

conflicts in us, some bigger than other.

And we wanted to make sure that we showed both sides of Patton, that we don't make anybody into a hero without showing this is the heroic stuff they did, and this is the questionable or really bad stuff they did.

Jeffrey Epstein's black book

is up for auction.

Now, this is not the book book that he had when he died.

This is a book from around the year 2000 that he lost.

Somebody had it.

They found it in the street of New York.

It's been verified that it is his handwriting and it is his book.

They picked it up and then just put it in a box and left it in a storage

unit.

And ever since this Epstein thing has been going on, they're like, I got to find that book.

I got to find that book.

I I know, but where did I put that book?

They went through their storage unit and found it.

Then they brought it to Alexander Historical Auctions, which is a really good auction house.

And

they put it up with unredacted names and numbers.

You can't see it.

You can go and visit the book if you're interested in buying it and look through it.

You can't take pictures of it or anything else.

But the black book is for sale.

They're saying it's going to go between $100,000 and $200,000.

Now, my question is,

is this just a passing big, but still like a passing blip?

Like, I'm really not interested in the Lindbergh trial.

Who cares?

Right.

You know what I mean?

It was a big thing at the time.

Is this a big thing just at the time?

And what would change that, I think, is,

was he, or will we ever find out he was an operative for our government or other governments?

Hmm.

I don't know.

That's kind of the rumor right now, right?

That he was CIA.

Yeah.

What's your first thought on Epstein's book, having it?

I mean,

I'd love to have it just to read the names on the air.

Yeah.

You'd have to believe, though, if there were some, you know, if it was like George Soros, like we'd already know about it, right?

Like,

that page would be missing.

Right.

So shockingly, all the S's are missing and the g's right uh so i i kind of think that there's maybe not going to be a massive story in it though it is an incredible if i can if we were considering really buying it i would send somebody up to look through it and tell me is there anything in it

worth you know if it's like squeaky from i don't really care it would be i would care if squeaky from had done that that would have been good that would be crazy yeah it'd be nuts yeah that's that's an interesting one i mean because is it just here's a guy who did some really terrible things?

Like Jeffrey Dahmer merchandise.

You don't you're not buying that.

Yeah, I'm not buying that.

I'm not buying Michael Jackson stuff.

I mean, I don't really care.

Would you buy OJ stuff?

Because that was pretty big.

Yeah.

Yeah, if it was something

flash in the pan.

It was pretty big.

I have an OJ Simpson baseball card.

That's all I have.

A baseball card?

Or not baseball card?

Wow, that's incredible.

That is a huge story.

Sean played baseball.

The football card.

Yes.

Yeah, no, I mean, because I think OJ is on the level of Lindbergh, right?

Historically,

like to us right now, obviously, it's a lot bigger because it happened in the 90s, but

50 years, I don't know that it's.

The only thing that would be worth in that is somehow or another

finding a way to capture

the

African-American response to O.J.,

setting him free because

he was finally able to beat the man.

Right.

And by the way, jurors from the trial have said that's what they did.

Yeah.

It's just not Glenn making things up.

Right.

And so

if you could capture that, because we're having the opposite right now,

you know, people not looking at the facts of anything because they want somebody to win one way or another.

And so

that is something to happen with jurors.

And so it would tell that story, but I don't know how to capture that.

And remember, you know, the Epstein thing is tied into powerful people.

Even if you just, you know, Prince Andrew, right?

Like, I mean, there's certainly, I don't know that he's in that book per se, but I will say that my instinct is yes, you should bid on it, largely because I think one of the things you do at the museum and as part of your mission statement over there is to preserve history that will be erased.

And man, the Epstein thing falls directly in that category.

Like, we know about it right now,

kind of.

I don't think we know the whole story.

And the powers that be will do everything they can to make sure that goes down some memory hole and we don't remember it like the Lindbergh case.

Correct.

Right.

Like that, they want that to go away.

So actually

preserving some of that history, I think, is a good use of

resources.

Of course, if it's there's nothing interesting in it, I suppose maybe that's not

the case.

But man, I don't know.

It seems like we still don't know the story on that one.

But they'll let you see the whole thing before you buy it.

Yes.

You can go up right now and make an appointment.

And you can go up.

I was thinking about sending Jason up there, and you can go up and

make an appointment and seeing it, see it, see what's in it.

You can't take a photograph of it

and no copies of it, but

you can come back and then he could tell me this is what's in it.

These are the kinds of names that are in it that he could remember.

Yeah, you need to send someone with a photographic memory.

I know.

Do we have a listener with a photographic memory?

That would be great.

I will say it seems like if they're showing it to people, right?

And we don't have any leakages

on the actual story.

Well, they just announced it yesterday, I think.

Okay.

Yeah.

So at some point, you'd think that the story would leak out if there was something amazing.

Not necessarily, because

if you are qualified to go see it, you know, you sign up to bid, you're a buyer.

And if there's something great to know, you don't want anybody to know until after you have it.

Correct.

Right.

That's good.

They each vary in length from only a few lines to over 10 or 15 lines or more each.

Each of the entries have several more names included.

Additionally, 94 names bear black hand applied check marks.

Five have been highlighted in yellow.

All five names, including that of President Donald Trump, interesting that that one is out, are well-recognized financial and industrial figures.

The significance of the checked and highlighted names is unknown.

The details included in the vast majority of the entries

are most extensive.

Epstein not only includes the name, address, and telephone number of his contact, but in most cases also adds other residential addresses and numbers, contact information, family members, secretaries, immediate employees, associates, cell phone numbers, and at least one instant, a contact's girlfriend's number.

There's a good deal of information hinting at Epstein's sorrowed pass, including the very first entry, contact information for the front desk, and five apartment numbers corresponding with telephone numbers numbers at 301 East 66th Street.

This address was home for many young models, girlfriends, pilots, and lawyers associated with Jeffrey Epstein.

Book contains entries for former Ford models, CEO Kate Ford, as well as an entry for Masseuse, which lists 24 women's names and numbers with pager numbers as well.

The history of this criminal relic is fascinating.

The mid-1990s musician living in Manhattan discovered the book lying on Fifth Avenue sidewalk in Midtown.

She eventually put it in storage.

It was not until 2020 while cleaning out her storage unit that she realized it belonged to Jeffrey Epstein.

She reached out to several media outlets, not this one, who failed to react.

Assuming that the book was a copy, she listed it on eBay where it was purchased by a graduate.

How is that possible?

How is this possible?

So who was it purchased by?

A graduate student in the Northeast who has possessed it ever since.

For how much?

Do Do we know how much?

Nope, don't know.

Wow.

2004 Epstein Black book was discovered by the FBI and used in legal proceedings, but this copy, which came to light after Epstein's death, was not considered as evidentiary importance at the time of its discovery.

According to Business Insider, the 1,731 names contained in the two volumes together

do not appear in the 2004 book.

During its six-month investigation, Business Insider journalists had respected forensic document examiners, applied forensics, examined the book to determine its authenticity.

After a researcher

looked at the binding and the data within, the examiners determined

there are indications or evidence to suggest the Q1 address book predated the online version of the address book and was in existence in the late 1990s.

A copy of that report is available.

So there's 1,700 names.

Names.

But we don't know why they're named.

Nope, we that's interesting.

What they released, and it's interesting again, they released Donald Trump and Alan Dershowitz as names in this.

Oh my gosh, of course.

Of course, of course.

Of course.

Donald Trump, Alan Dershowitz,

Frederick Fakay.

Do you know who that is?

F-E-K-K-A-I?

No.

Christy Hefner and Edward Kennedy.

Huh.

Frederick Fakay, French hairstylist and and entrepreneur.

Of course.

Well, who doesn't have a hair, a French hairstylist in their black boat?

Makes a bunch of products, though.

It seems like a big, you know, has a big company making this stuff.

It appears.

So, what is your first thought?

Yes or no?

Should we?

I'd say yes.

Go look at it or you'll start buying it.

And then depending on the name.

It's a significance in history, long-term.

What dirtbags we had in office, I guess.

I mean, you're going to find out some things about people, right?

Although it doesn't say what, again, it doesn't say why they're in the book.

I mean, we know the Alan Dershowitz thing, like we already know the person who accused him came out and said, ah, maybe it wasn't him.

Yeah.

He was in there because he's the attorney.

Right.

So it's not necessarily going to have matt.

You don't know if it's going to give you some major story that's going to change history.

I will say, though, though,

we also, I'm sorry, we do also know that Donald Trump threw him out, right, of Mar-Lago.

Yeah, they had him falling out a big time ago.

Because he was, you know, I guess trying to recruit some of the females.

And Donald Trump said, get out, don't come back.

Yeah, no, they had definitely, the Trump thing is, I don't know, I think that's a complete disconnect to the Epstein story from long, long ago.

But I will say that.

Otherwise, it would have made political hay out of that.

Yeah, the Clinton one is much more, I think, significant.

Yeah.

You know, and

that one is.

And the Gates are.

I think the Bill Gates one, too.

Yeah, I have to, some of his comments have been really weird about that.

Really weird.

Really weird.

So his wife's.

I think Bill Gates has flown under the radar as one of, you know, just a, you know, weird, quirky guy for so long.

I think he may end up being one of the true villains of our time.

I think that's quite possible.

People believe that.

I mean, the things that he wants to do on population control,

his

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We know who he is.

And he wouldn't get away from Jeffrey Epstein, and they divorced.

That's kind of a big deal.

Kind of a big deal.

Yeah, when he's occasionally been pressed on that, it has not gone well for Gates.

We don't know what happened there, but something weird was going on.

Very.

Yeah.

And, you know, he stole all the technology from Xerox in the first place.

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Carol,

last Friday, I think it was, the jobs report came out.

It was much lower than expected.

And I started seeing things like Bank of America saying, we're in stagflation now.

Are we?

And if so, what is it and what does it mean?

Well, let's first talk about some of these data points, Glenn, and then we can go into stagflation.

First, we've seen a couple of bad data points.

And as we've talked about before, the data is garbage.

So we're doing the best we can to interpret what it is that they're telling us without any sense of the actual reality behind us.

But we saw before the jobs report that the first quarter GDP was down about a percent lower than expectations, down to 1.6% on an annualized basis.

Then we get the April jobs report, and that is also down.

It's the slowest job gain that we've seen in, I think, about six months, again, if you believe the data.

And what that first is telling me is that all of this money that the government has spent to basically window dress the economy to avoid the double disk recession?

Because remember, we did have a recession, two quarters of negative growth back in 22.

Then we popped out of it and we sort of expected we might go down.

But the government ran these massive deficits,

about two times the historical average on a debt-to-GDP basis that we would normal see.

And they tried to prop up the economy so it wouldn't show that we were in a recession at a very expensive cost, by the way.

You know, know, normally when you have an expanding economy, you would see a shrinking deficit.

They have done the opposite.

They ran a big deficit to try to create this appearance and with an interest rate financing that deficit

at the largest point in 15 years.

So we know.

that we are not getting a good return now on this window dressing and it is not creating these amazing outcomes for the economy, you know, on the GDP front, on the jobs front, which again, could turn around.

It's one set of data points would shift.

Stagflation is something that I've talked to you about.

I've been talking about for years as a very possible outcome here.

And it's very much what it sounds like.

It is when the economy stagnates, when you have a low growth

number,

but at the same time, you have inflation.

So you have sort of the worst of all worlds.

You're not making gains in productivity.

You're not making

gains in wages and things like that.

The economy is just hanging out, but you get this long-term sticky inflation, which again, we said was very likely because the government continued to spend at these massive levels and they were working against what the Fed was trying to do to bring down inflation.

So they are actually at this point a likely cause of long-term inflation because we have to continue to finance these massive deficits.

And so that's the reality of this sticky situation.

When you hear somebody like J.P.

Morgan's Jamie Dimon saying, I'm worried that the economy is going to look more like the 1970s than anything else, this is something that they experienced.

experienced at that period of time.

And he's seeing those parallels, although we are in a much worse fiscal situation from a fiscal foundation standpoint than we were, strangely enough, in the 1970s.

Because of our deficit in debt.

Correct.

Yeah.

So

this means that jobs, everything just is the same.

It doesn't get better.

It could get worse, but it doesn't generally get better for the individual.

And prices continue to go up, right?

That's what's going on.

Exactly.

You're not seeing your growth in wages.

You're not seeing massive growth in companies.

The economy just sort of putters along.

You know, you're not seeing the massive layoffs or things that you might see with a recession.

Things are just kind of going along, but not really growing at all.

And you're not seeing that light at the end of the tunnel.

But at the same time, we're encountering that ongoing sticky inflation that we know destroys purchasing power and is really borne, particularly by the middle and working class.

All right.

So, Carol, I don't want to spend a lot of time on this because I have a couple of other things.

But you said

at the beginning of your conversation, you said, if you believe the numbers.

I don't believe the numbers, but the only reason you change and fudge numbers is not to stop them from looking so good, but stop them from looking so bad.

And the reason why I don't believe them is there's just too many times where they've been adjusted.

And there's always adjustments, but not like it has in the last year or so.

And

there's just contradictory information.

If you're somebody who's listening now and

you don't necessarily have that, you don't think that

the administration administration would go that far in fake numbers.

What leads you to say if you believe these numbers?

Well, like you said, there have been a lot of anomalies in the numbers.

And if you kind of go back even further,

we've changed the method of calculation of these numbers at the governmental level many times since the 1980s.

One of the things that you have to remember for something, let's say, like inflation, is that inflation feeds into things like cost of living adjustments, the amount that they have to increase Social Security payments by.

So there is an actual reason why it is that they would want to suppress those numbers.

Another piece of data, which I think is very important, is that entities and individuals no longer want to participate in government surveys.

So we have seen an absolute massive decline in the participation of the data that is being collected by the government, which means when they don't have people and businesses responding, there are more biases in the data because it's a smaller subset of people who want to do it.

And it means that they have to run it through their own adjustments and seasonal adjustments and, you know, their best guesses in the model.

Yeah.

And it's garbage in, garbage out.

You put bad data in, you're going to get bad data out.

So there are a lot of things.

This isn't just like a...

hey, you know, the numbers all were adjusted massively or we've seen the same numbers over and over again, speaking to the bad data.

There are some real structural issues to why many of us don't think the data is sort of worth anything.

By the way, we're talking to J.D.

Vance in about 15 minutes.

Right now, we're with Carol Roth talking about the economy.

And

I want to bring up something was one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen.

It's an interview where they are trying to make the case for modern monetary theory, which is not modern.

It's a very old theory.

You can just print money and no big deal.

Nothing bad will happen.

And they talk to Joe Biden's economic advisor.

Now,

if you would, explain who Jared Bernstein is.

He's the chair of the Council of Economic Advisors for Joe Biden, but he's not just some schlub, right?

Well, I mean,

I'm not going to opine on that piece, but what I will tell you is he's somebody that is very powerful economically.

This is Joe Biden's

right-hand advisor, who has been, by the way, since the Obama administration, he was Biden's advisor.

And this is the guy who analyzes and interprets economic developments.

He comes up with economic policies.

He puts that forward to the president.

He's been entrenched in think tanks.

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Previously, I mean, this guy is like, you know, from the left and far left standpoint, one of the people who they hang their hat on to be the economic advisor and I don't know are you gonna play the clip because it's also one of the most painful things I've ever watched in my life.

I want to play get your comment from it and I just wanted to set up this is a real player in the economy.

This is somebody our government depends on listen to him try to explain

our deficit and what's happening with our money.

Listen.

The U.S.

government can't go bankrupt because we can print our own money.

It obviously begs the question, why exactly are we borrowing in a currency that we print ourselves?

I'm waiting for someone to stand up and say, why do we borrow our own currency in the first place?

Like you said, they print the dollar, so why does the government even borrow?

Well,

the

so the, I mean, Again, some of this stuff gets

some of the language that the MM,

I mean, the government definitely prints money, and it definitely lends that money, which is why the government definitely prints money, and then it lends that money by

selling bonds.

Is that what they do?

No.

They sell bonds.

Yeah, they sell bonds.

Right?

Because they sell bonds and people buy the bonds and lend them the money.

Yeah.

So

a lot of times, times, at least to my ear, with MMT, the language and the concepts can be kind of unnecessarily confusing, but there is no question that the government prints money and then it uses that money to

so

yeah, I guess I'm just, I can't really talk, I don't get it.

I don't know what they're talking about, like, because it's like

The government clearly prints money.

It does it all the time, and it clearly borrows.

Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this debt and deficit conversation.

So I don't think there's anything confusing there.

Oh, my God.

Would you feel if that was your captain and you got onto a plane and he said, hey, we're going to be traveling at 40,000, 4,000?

How does this work again?

Would you get on that plane?

Okay, so I'm going to be generous here first, Glenn, and then I'm going to be not so generous.

The first generous thing I will say is that we've all been in the media for a very long time, you longer than me, and we've all had days that are somewhat like this where, you know, we know something really well and we just can't get it out.

So, so I'm going to, you know, it could be today for me.

There, there have been a few times when I just have made absolutely no sense on something that I know very well.

So, it does happen.

That being said, now that I've been generous, you know, again, this is sort of the chief architect of the U.S.

economy at this point, going into a discussion about MMT.

I call it magic money tree.

I heard that somewhere along the line, thought that was great.

And, you know, the main, their main thesis is, oh, you can, you know, you've got the checkbook, you can just write checks.

So, the question that he asked, which anyone who lives in Zimbabwe would probably know the answer to, why can't the government just print as much money as it wants?

We all know it's highly inflationary.

And we've been living through that, you know, for the past few years.

So that's the very short answer.

Of course, there's nuance to this.

Of course, there's wonkiness that we can go in and explain the treasury and the Fed and not.

Just a very simple, very, so it begs the question to me.

Does he not know the answer?

Or does he very much know the answer, but he doesn't feel like he could admit it and hasn't done the prep, which again, you know, these are politicians and politician mouthpieces.

You know, they should be able to kind of talk around it.

That's what they do all the time.

And I think the answer is that they are just entirely decoupled from reality.

So they don't care.

They don't care what it is.

Glenn, money is something very discreet, right?

Money has three definitions.

It is a unit of account, it's a medium of exchange, it's a store of value.

But at the end of the day, putting that together, what is it?

It is a proxy for productivity.

It is an estimation of the labor that you have because it used to be, you know, if you were a farmer, you had apples, somebody somebody who was a doctor at doctor services you'd have to figure out that exchange now this creates something that's seamless and so it stands for something stand

time

is money

It is.

It is your output.

And so if you do not have an increase in economic activity, an increase in productivity, and you put more dollars in the system, what are you doing?

You're putting in more, you know, sort of proxies for productivity that are chasing the same amount of goods and services.

It means that those goods and services have been inflated in value because each one of those proxies are worthless.

But the people, if you go to Congress right now and you ask them to give you that definition of money that I just gave you that anybody who knows anything about economics would know, I guarantee you, 99% of the people couldn't tell you that.

And the people on the left

do not care because it doesn't serve their purpose.

They don't care that this is a proxy of what you have worked hard for.

They want to inflate that away for their own power and purpose.

So it is very inconvenient for them to understand reality, and that's why he can't explain it.

I think he knows what it is, but can't explain because

he doesn't want to take a position on it because I think they're all in bed with MMT.

So he can't, he doesn't want to say I'm in bed with MMT because it's insanity.

But I think he also doesn't know how to bridge that gap.

There's a huge gap between reality and insanity.

And there is.

And I think that's what it is.

He just doesn't want to be seen crossing that bridge because there's no sane reason to do it.

No, and the fact of the matter is you had all of these MMT people selling this fantasy.

And up until a few years ago, there were a lot of people who bought into the fantasy.

Although many of us said, no, this is something that stands for reality.

You can't just make it up just because you have a checkbook.

You can't write unlimited amount of checks.

It doesn't work that way.

And we have now lived through the worst inflationary period in 40 plus years.

And these MMT people have not gotten enough shame.

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So, Carol, there's a story in the New York Times I would love to get your take on.

Basically,

trying to alert people, I guess, of this.

The Federal Reserve is engaged in a colossal transformation of the financial economy, yet scarcely anyone is noticing.

It goes on to describe it similar to like walking a herd of elephants through midtown Manhattan without attracting attention.

He says, I'm not talking about the Fed's decisions on short-term interest rates, which get the headlines.

The Fed kept those steady.

I'm talking about a remarkably ambitious and poorly understood Fed project known as quantitative tightening, QT for short, that refers to the Fed's reduction of the treasury bonds and mortgage-backed securities on a mammoth balance sheet.

Okay, we only have about 80 seconds.

We may have to have you come back for that.

But can you give us a

go ahead?

Yeah, I'll let me give you that the bite size.

So obviously we have accommodative policy and we have tightening policy.

The accommodative policy are things like dropping interest rates and buying bonds, which is QE.

Quantitative tightening is on the other side of that when

you decide that you're going to do the opposite.

And what they have done is they said, we are no longer, it's not we're going to sell off our balance sheet, but we're going to just let it run off.

And we're going to do that in a more pronounced manner.

So they can't lower interest rates right now.

That would be seen as taboo given the data, but they can use the QT lever as a way to be more accommodative.

They're moving away from QT.

So that's basically in a nutshell, sort of a signal to the market that people who are wonky understand that they are being accommodative through their balance sheet where they can't do so with interest rates.

That's my 87%.

You have to come back to explain that because I don't really...

I don't really understand that.

It just sounds like

another scam.

Do my Jared Bernstein impression when I come back to explain that?

I don't know.

Is that what they do?

I don't know.

print and

I don't know.

It's so cute to me.

I know they show up at nine o'clock every morning.

You know, they turn on their office lights.

So I know they're there doing something.

I just don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Carol, thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

God bless.

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How are those conversations going?

Currently, tied for the second, or he's the second favorite, right?

You have two people tied for first, which is Doug Bergum and Tim Scott.

I don't see either of those happening.

I don't see either of those happen.

That's just, I mean, again, we're just guessing here.

We don't have any inside info on his own.

I mean, Doug Bergman is, come on.

You don't even know his name.

I mean,

Bergum.

Now, Bergamentum is real.

It's turning into Bergamania at any moment.

The eyebrow guy is out.

I just don't see.

I know we're getting reporting on it.

I just don't believe it.

It's just my own vibe.

I don't know.

That's not.

And I don't think Tim Scott is strong enough yet.

He might be later, but he's not strong enough yet.

I just don't see it.

He's not strong enough in the defense.

And I still think he's not going to cross those loyalty lines that Trump likes.

I don't know.

I could be wrong in that.

I would love J.D.

Vance to be vice president.

J.D.

Vance is, I think, I think he's a real choice.

I mean, again,

he does not check any of the intersectional identity politics boxes.

But again, we're told that Trump doesn't care about that.

I certainly don't care about it.

He didn't.

He picked Mike Pence last time.

He picked Mike Pence last time.

He picked Mike Pence, I think, because of his Christian evangelical.

He saw that as a weakness.

I think that's revealing.

And I think that's personally why he will pick Tulsi Gabbard.

Because the weakness this time is with women and also

abortion.

Now, look,

this is not how I feel, but every piece of reporting from inside the White House and Trump's public statements back up the idea that he thinks if he goes too far on abortion, he's going to lose.

Yes.

That's what it sounds like.

And that's what all the reporting inside of the campaign indicates.

He's very much trying to

walk this middle line.

He's not abandoning what he did with the judges, but he does not want that to be the number one thing.

And a guy like Mike Pence

would point in that direction.

So you think the religious conservative angle, maybe not the one he goes to here.

Tulsi Gabbard, I hate to point out, was a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer.

So

think of this is Donald Trump.

I like her, but what I worry about is his pick is going to be the party after Donald Trump.

In four years, that's the setup for the party.

Who is it going to be?

J.D.

Vance, I think, would be great.

Tulsi Gabbard is not the Republican Party, but

she would tell you.

Right, she's not.

But if you look at it from his perspective, he's got all this divide.

Everybody says he's a divider.

All right, here's somebody who I don't agree with on a lot, but she agrees on certain principles that America is great.

America should come first.

We shouldn't be in all these foreign wars, et cetera, et cetera.

I could see her, if not vice president, I could see him.

This is not my hope,

but this is what I could see him doing.

He would think I can appeal to the people who are women in the suburbs by saying, come on,

she's more like you.

She works with me.

We're not what everybody says we are.

Right out of central casting, as this Trump always says.

Central casting.

Right out of central casting.

You know, I do think it's possible.

Okay, we have JD Vance on with us now.

Hello, JD.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn.

How are you doing, man?

Great.

Great to talk to you.

First, I have to ask you.

How are the talks to be vice president going, huh?

I'm just saying.

Well, you'll be the first to know, Glenn.

Of course, the media is very curious in this, but I've never yet had a conversation with Donald Trump about being his vice president.

Really?

Until I do,

I will assume that this is a lot of media speculation and what you do about nothing.

Well, we're pulling for you, actually.

We're pulling for you.

So let's talk a little bit about Trump and the trial.

This trial is

more than just a kangaroo court.

There's nothing to this trial.

How do you think it's going?

Well, I think it's, I mean, the only thing that really matters, of course, is the court of public opinion because it's such a sham trial.

I don't think that it's going to hold up on appeal.

You know, the basic argument here is that he falsified documents in order to commit a crime, but they can't even identify which crime he allegedly committed.

So it's very hard to imagine anything like that can hold up on appeal.

Now, look,

it is highlighting, I think, how corrupt the justice system has gotten in certain parts of our country, right?

So you have the number three person at Biden's DOJ who jumps ship and goes and joins a local prosecutor office to participate in this.

By the way, he's also, it turns out, a DNC paid consultant.

Then you have, of course, a SOAR-funded prosecutor who brings the case.

It's being presided over by a literal campaign donor to Biden Harris, who is preventing Donald Trump from even speaking on the merits of the case in the court of public opinion.

So I think it's really helping Trump politically, which again, I think is all that matters because most people who have any sense of fairness recognize that this is a sham trial.

And so long as it's helping Trump get elected, I think that's the thing that matters most.

I will tell you that I think the line of maybe the year, we're not finished yet, but I think the line maybe of the year is Donald Trump, when he came out, out, I think it was yesterday, and said,

the Constitution is well worth me going to jail for.

It's worth more than me trying to stay out of jail.

So put me in jail.

And I thought, wow, I mean, that is a strong, strong stance.

Has a way of driving home the stakes, doesn't it?

Yes.

This guy is literally trying to prevent him from speaking.

The Democrats have made this a major political issue.

The Democrats are fundraising off of it.

You know, Biden-Harris campaign sending around fundraising emails.

Oh, isn't it funny that Donald Trump's in court today sent us money?

And yet the judge is preventing Trump from participating in what is right now the most lively political debate of the country.

So it really, I think, again, just drives home how much these guys have lost their minds.

And, you know,

I've even seen polls here that Biden, people who plan to vote for Joe Biden recognize this is fundamentally a sham trial.

Now, here's the crazy thing about this, Glenn, is

I do a lot of hostile media.

It's one of the things I like to do is sort of taking our case to the other side.

And I've sat in green rooms with people who months ago were angry at Alvin Bragg for bringing this case because it was such a weak case.

But now that it's the only case that's actually gone to trial because the rest of them have fallen apart, you see the media treating this as legitimate.

And I don't think anybody believes them.

There's just no credibility here, and everything that further erodes their credibility is, in my view, a good thing.

So, let me ask you a couple of other questions.

I know we have limited time.

Let me first stop with the campus protest funding and

Biden holding back aid bullets to Israel.

Isn't this exactly what Donald Trump was

impeached for?

He held back congressionally approved javelins

from Ukraine, and now Biden is holding back ammunition from Israel.

What's the difference?

There isn't any difference, of course.

The only real difference is I think that Donald Trump actually was engaged in some diplomacy and was negotiating with the Ukrainians and also other folks in the region about how much aid they should be providing.

Of course, it shouldn't just be America, whether you support Ukraine or not.

What's different about this is I think you're taking one of the few truly bipartisan issues in this country that we should be supporting our our allies, Israel, and you're allowing it to be dictated by the far left.

Now, I have a little bit of a different take on this, Glenn, because I think what Biden is doing is really killing two political birds with one stone here.

One, as I've been warning for months, we don't have enough ammunition to send to Ukraine and Israel simultaneously.

We have to pick one.

Well, the Biden administration, I think, has picked the corrupt Ukrainian regime over our long-term ally, the Israelis.

I think it's disgraceful.

But simultaneously, he's going to his left flank and saying, the reason I'm doing this is because

BB is bad and because we don't like the way that BB is prosecuting the war.

So he gets to tell his left flank what they want to hear while covering for the fundamental failure of his foreign policy.

It's one of the reasons, Glenn, it was such a bad idea for Republicans to give Biden this security supplemental.

It's such a big bill that it sort of allows Biden to hide his priorities and to sort of have his cake and eat it too.

The other thing that I want to talk to you about is the health care that is now going to illegal migrants.

How does this president get away with so much executive power?

Nobody gave him the authorization to do this.

Nobody gave him the authorization to spend all of this money.

Nobody gave him the authorization to relieve or to forgive, quote, all those loans and tie them to the back of the taxpayer.

This is a very important concept in our Constitution.

It's why congressmen have to be re-elected every two years,

because

we want them to answer for the money they just spent or allowed to be spent.

Well, you're right, Glenn.

And I mean, look, we know that at this point Biden is a tyrannical president who will violate the law, and it is a violation of the law.

But I don't want to let us off the hook here because we should know at this point that when we appropriate Joe Biden a big chunk of money, he is sometimes going to violate the law and the way that he actually distributes it.

And this means that Congress actually has to take a little bit more assertive of a role, has to be willing to cut off certain appropriations, not write Biden these blank checks.

This is really important, Glenn.

Congress increasingly

You know, again, with this massive security supplemental, when you write Joe Biden a check, you can't go to the American people and say, well, you know,

he's doing this illegally.

Well, that's true, but you know he's going to do it illegally, so you have to be a little bit more careful about how we give this guy authority in the first place.

And I have to say here, Gwen, this giving health care to illegal aliens is,

it should offend every single American.

We have a social safety net in this country.

Medicaid exists for impoverished people to help pay their medical bills.

If you allow folks who should not be in this country to begin with, who are here here illegally, to literally take from the mouths of American poor children so that we can fund their health care, then whose side are you really on?

And I think it's becoming increasingly clear that Biden doesn't like the people who currently make up the citizenry of this country, and he's trying to change the way the country operates, the way that we distribute resources, the way that we vote.

And that's what his illegal immigration push is all about.

Well, I just cannot believe that

those at the very bottom of the scale, the ones that

the Democrats have said they care about the most forever,

the black families that are trapped in Chicago and are barely making ends meet,

how are they to view the government when they're not getting, you know, they're not being put up in a hotel someplace.

They're not getting all of these perks.

And yet we're doing it for people who just came here.

I mean, if I were on the receiving end or on the

end of this and I was a citizen, I'd be like, dude, what are you doing?

You never did this for me.

You never did this for my family as we were struggling.

Absolutely.

They just came here and a lot of them came here illegally, Glenn.

We have veterans who can't afford health care, who are sleeping on park benches.

At the same time, we're handing out free health care to people who violated the law to come to this country in the first place.

It's completely disgraceful.

And I think a lot of people should be looking around and saying, who does Joe Biden actually stand for, right?

The Democrats say that they care about the little guy.

Let me just tell you just a brief story, Glenn.

I have a dear friend of mine who's getting up there in years, who is now eligible for Social Security.

He basically found out that there were a number of illegal aliens who had used his Social Security number to get a whole host of benefits, including Social Security benefits.

When he went to the government and said, hey, I'd like to know who's using these things so I can report to the police, they basically told him, no, we don't reveal people's personal information, even illegal aliens who are committing social security fraud.

This is the kind of country that Joe Biden has created where the very things that we do as a country to help the least fortunate are being given away to illegal aliens instead of American citizens.

I cannot stand it.

JD, thank you so much.

Senator J.D.

Vance from Ohio, always good to have you on.

Thank you.

Thanks, Leon Steve.

God bless.

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He is a counterterrorism expert and investigative researcher for the Capital Research Center, where he monitors extremist groups in the U.S.

He is also an adjunct professor at Regent University.

Ryan, welcome back to the program.

How are you?

I'm doing well.

Thanks for having me back.

Thank you so much for doing all of this work.

It is

crazy that when I read your work now, I'm brought back to 2008 and I see exactly the same names, the same circle of people all returning to do what they did during Occupy Wall Street.

That's exactly right.

It's the same model, except this is more successful

for various reasons.

And I'm sorry to say, it appears to be more militant,

and increasingly militant and revolutionary.

because we've been monitoring probably around 250, 300 different groups all at once

and we haven't fully investigated all of them.

And my expectation based on my past work that you're familiar with with the Muslim Brotherhood and Phil Haney and that type of thing was that this would be a coalition and people would be surprised by the proportion of which are Islamist extremists, but there'd be a wide cast of characters.

I've got to tell you, so far my list, which is only a portion of what we have, I've come up with over 120 terrorism-tied organizations involved in these protests.

Almost all of which support Hamas and the October 7th attacks, and I can prove it because they all said it.

So there isn't much diversity here.

This was conjured up and is being implemented by a group of Hamas supporters, some of which have ties to Hamas more directly.

So I remember in 2010, I said, you will see an effort

from Islamists, Marxists, anti-capitalists, communists.

They'll all come together to disrupt the order and try to collapse the West.

And I was made fun of because people said,

like, the Marxists and the Islamists have anything to do with each other.

And I said, they're not going to be calling each other up.

They just all see the opportunity to destroy more of America and destabilize us.

Do you think that's what's happening, any of that?

Yeah, well, you're being proven correct, and you're going to be increasingly proven correctly once we finish our huge expose, breaking down the entire makeup of this group and all the messaging that they're using.

And you're right, they don't call each other up, but they do communicate on social media and the Telegram chance and the rest of it because their language, their way of talking is now so similar because it's so revolutionary and they've kind of combined their different causes into one thing, even if they disagree on what happens after their revolution succeeds.

They kind of put that off to the side.

But yes, that coalition is coming together.

And I would say there's kind of like four concentric circles where on the outermost layer, you have the more typical Muslim Brotherhood style groups that are a bit cautious, but they imply their support for criminality, some military

masks.

But, you know,

We condemn terrorism, but like if you know how they talk, you know what they're saying.

And then you have the next circle in where

they're very similar, but they go a step further and passing around guides on how to do criminal acts of protest.

So they're a little bit more militant.

And then you move further in, and those are the people that are saying, well, we need to escalate on the college campuses.

Let's fight the police.

Let's get a little bit more destructive.

And then there's this.

inner circle that I think can be accurately described as domestic terrorists.

And I'm watching what they're saying to each other and and what they're advocating.

And they're passing around

descriptions and guides on how to do every conceivable violent and act of sabotage that you can think of.

And their debate and their argument, and they seem to be gaining ground, is that we're having so much success that, yes, of course, we should escalate in the college campuses and the typical places we show up, the congressional offices, all that.

But we're really doing so well right now that we should broaden out our campaign and not make it about influencing opinion and policy, but imposing our will.

Let's let's dismantle the nationwide infrastructure that enables the u.s and israeli military alliance and capitalism and all all of that to continue so it's no longer a debate we just make you follow our orders as as somebody who you know researches uh you know as a researcher on on terror

how likely is

How likely is it that we're going to see

a massive terror strike, even if it's not something like 9-11, but it's several groups all around the country doing something around the same time to just

really throw us off.

The impression I get is that they may not take the exceptional risk of trying to coordinate it down to the very second or the very same hour, but they say generally, okay,

now it's go time.

In fact, that's what they're saying in the communication they're seeing.

A lot of them are saying it's go time, and some of them are saying, yeah, maybe we should wait.

Well, why don't we do the college campuses first?

It's in that kind of stage of discussion.

But they're all envisioning a large number of small attacks over a short period of time, and they see that as the most likely way forward, as opposed to this resource-intensive

operation like a 9-11 that has a higher chance of failure.

Right, right.

Who is actually funding this?

Who are the big people that are funding?

Well, some of the names that you mentioned certainly are involved, but I've got to say, based on what little data is available, and people will be shocked how little data is available and what you can get away with as a nonprofit and these different schemes that they have in order to hide any type of transparency.

But of what little data we have,

the names that you mentioned, the Soroses, the Tithe Foundation, all of those are donating to these types of groups that are putting this together.

But that appears to be a tiny percentage of the overall spending and revenue that they have.

The rest seems to be coming through means unknown, maybe private donors or businesses, or these various schemes that they have.

And that makes it much more frightening because we don't have a clue in general.

How much money do you think we're talking about?

With all these groups, I mean,

if we've identified 120 teraty groups just on our own, their operating budgets and everything else, I mean, you've got to be talking about altogether, I mean, definitely millions, probably tens of millions.

Jeez.

So

is there any lead, or is this just a collection of people that are kind of, you know, thinking alike?

Or are they highly coordinated?

They're highly coordinated when it comes down to the cell level.

And as they're trying to assemble these types of insurgent and guerrilla networks on the local level, that's much more organized.

And then in the broader scheme of things,

in doing these types of protests, there's less coordination because there just doesn't need to be.

Everyone's focused on the same thing.

Everyone kind of has the same objectives.

So you don't need as much command and control.

But there's certainly organizations that are more powerful than others, all sorts of coalitions with sub-coalitions.

And so you have groups like the U.S.

Campaign for Palestinian Rights that alone has about 300 groups in their network.

And they present themselves as very moderate.

But then in the activist guides, the toolkit that they send around, they'll have links to websites that talk about how to do illegal direct actions as part of the protest.

And of course they have links to Hamas overseas.

They send money to the Palestinian territories for the BDS campaign and like a specific structure that actually has Hamas in it.

So it's not even an indirect thing.

But of course they get mainstream credibility and then they look just fine according to the people that talk about these issues.

So, you know, I'm looking at some of the things that you have dug up.

Now it looks like UCLA, Columbia, USC, and other college campus encampments were planned pretty much right after October 7th, beginning in November 2023.

Yeah, that's definitely true.

As soon as one group starts doing it and starts getting chatty about it, then other groups are going to start talking to them about it.

So that's a very easy thing to happen.

It started becoming a trend as soon as the effort began.

And honestly, I think Hamas and their affiliates would have been crazy not to at least have some discussion right before they did the October 7th attacks about, all right, well, how are we going to operate politically in the United States and elsewhere

in dealing with the Israeli response?

Like, that conversation had to take place.

And you might have seen the fruits of it when immediately after the attack, you had the students for justice in Palestine saying not just they support the attacks, which is how most of the media reported it.

Oh, they said that they support the attacks.

How outrageous.

No, what they actually said was, and this is an almost direct quote, is, we're not just saying we're in solidarity with the resistance group and resistant movement that carried out the attack, obviously referring to Hamas, but they want to say Hamas.

We're part of it.

They absorbed themselves into it, and so that they were acting in allegiance to them, under their direction.

That crosses the line into material support for terrorism.

That's the provision of personnel and resources.

So that's a very different thing than how the media characterize it, and that's why Ron DeSantis was much more justified than how it was characterized when he shut down two of the Students for Justice and Palestine chapters on college campuses in Florida.

It's amazing.

Amazing that our government is really doing nothing on this.

What is the percentage of those that we see on television that are actual believers know what they're doing compared to useful idiots?

The majority are going to be useful idiots, I think, that were enticed by,

aside from being at that age where you're eager to try to figure out your role in the world and feel like you're doing something positive.

I mean, it's just the psychology of that age.

But

the overall message of, hey, do you oppose genocide?

Do you oppose war?

Do you oppose the conditions of the Palestinians?

And well, here's our argument for opposing Israel because that will result in peace, ceasefires, and improvement and liberation for the Palestinians.

And that to a lot of the people is now an intellectual detailed argument.

And I've got to say, culturally, and, you know, I'm not that old, I'm not that young, I'm 37, but I've seen a shift over the past six or seven years where the unjustified arrogance of the youth when it comes to political issues is just

outrageous

degree of surgery that exists.

And that's really weaponized by these groups.

Right.

For

these to be the elite campuses, it just shows how bad our educational system is.

These people are morons, just morons.

We're up against summer and graduations are happening.

What happens in the summer?

Does this go away and then pick back up in the fall?

What is the plan

if you know?

I mean, the plan is definitely to continue as it always is, but I think unlike the incidents with Black Lives Matter and other times in the past, those are generated by specific incidents.

And over time, the memory of those incidents and the emotional backlash dissipate.

Whereas this is more of a permanent thing because Israel is not going to stop their operations in Gaza against Hamas.

That situation is not going to resolve itself.

And so it has much more longevity.

So it will continue into the summertime.

A lot of groups have put their credibility on the line into saying we're going to act over the summer and into the future.

And even just from a...

a more selfish operational standpoint, a lot of these nonprofits seem to be raising a lot of money and gaining a lot of members.

And so regardless of the cause, there's a real selfish motivation on each one of those parts to keep the chaos going.

BLM, some people got very, very rich off of that.

Right.

Right.

Exactly.

Ryan, thank you so much for everything that you do.

When you have more information, please reach out because I'd love to have you on again.

It's really important work

that should be heard by everybody.

Thank you so much.

All right.

Thank you, Glenn.

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Yeah, big moment here.

We have the porn music, Sarah.

We got to have the

adult film act.

I'm sorry, she's an adult film.

Producer, by the way.

Producer, too.

One of the ways they were asking the questions.

And re-producer.

Go ahead.

Well,

it wasn't for that.

The pesky Roe versus Wade, she would be.

They had a situation where they were asking her about her past.

And, of course, they don't want to necessarily go into

the jury.

Hey, here's a lady who has sex for a living on camera.

Ding-dong.

Right.

Pizza delivery.

Right.

So they started talking about all of her mainstream projects that she's been in.

Which

you know, like she was in the 40-year-old virgin

very briefly with Steve Carell.

She's done some appearances in various movies over the years.

They were trying to make her look like basically she's just a normal actress, and there's occasional times she doesn't have her clothes on,

trying to make her appeal to the jury as more of a regular person.

She does describe this day

in some level of detail of

when she met Trump at a golf tournament.

And

she says that her the body man, Keith, Keith is his first name.

I can't think of his last name.

She put

Keith Trump.

That's what she said.

Keith Trump is what she put into her phone.

And he came up, asked about,

would you come to dinner with

Donald Trump?

She said no, originally, eventually wound up doing it.

She describes him coming out in like some sort of like, you know, Hugh Hefner-like pajamas

And ringing the doorbell.

Pizza delivery.

It's the greatest pizza you've ever had.

Right.

She talks about, you know, she's going through a great extent to try to describe the details of the room,

the color of the tile, the details of the room,

the things they talked about.

Right.

Turn down service.

I suppose.

She is, she said that

Trump asked her all sorts of questions about her industry.

Right.

You know, how does that work?

How are things produced?

Who directs them?

And also,

how often are you tested for STDs?

An interesting part.

Then they're trying to make a big deal of that because he was a known sort of germaphobe.

AIDS tester.

And this might

bolster, I guess, her case, right?

That this actually happened.

Sure.

Now, it's interesting, Glenn.

I remember reading Stormy Daniels' Daniels' first

telling of this, which was to, if I remember right, In Touch Weekly.

This is back in 2018.

And he said in touch.

And she specifically said in that initial testimony, I want to say testimony.

It was an In Touch magazine, but her initial telling of the story that Trump himself asked her for her number,

which is different than what she's saying on the stand today.

Now, obviously, she's lied multiple times about this.

This much we know because she's told both sides of the story.

Right, right.

So she's denied it completely and also said it happened.

And here's a million details about it.

Liars anonymous.

So

I don't know.

We will see.

I guess the point here is, you know, he still denies this happened.

Yeah.

Well, he didn't deny that it happened.

He denies the sex happened, right?

He definitely met her.

There's a picture of that.

But, you know, yes, he denies the affair happened, which was kind of the German part of the story.

Does this have anything to do with what the lawsuit is really all about?

I mean, fundamentally, it goes back to the hush money paid for this as a tie to business records.

I mean, you can get there, I suppose, but it doesn't really matter.

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Hey, it's Biden is tearing it up on the campaign trail.

Please cut one.

Here are the people that are just chanting four more years.

Happy Cinca de Maro.

Four more years.

Four more years.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yeah, that is great.

That is great.

That's

four more years.

Overwhelming there.

Yeah, it really was.

Then we have

Maxine Waters.

Now, Maxine Waters has been saying this for the last couple of weeks, and

I think it's important information to get out of her.

Here's Maxine Waters on the right-wing organizations.

This is is a man who we better be careful about and I tell you what I'm going to do.

I'm going to ask the Justice Department and I'm going to ask the president to tell us what they're going to do to protect this country against violence if he loses.

I want to know about all of those right-wing organizations that he's connected with who are training up in the hills somewhere and targeting

what communities they're going to attack.

Wow, that is amazing.

She's got some vital information there.

That's all she says is they're in the mountains somewhere training to attack our communities.

I'd be for finding those people too.

Yeah, but she apparently only knows their elevation.

That's the one fact she knows.

They're in the mountains.

They're in the mountains.

They're in the mountains.

That's that much we know.

They're not on the farmlands.

No.

No.

There's no valleys.

No training occurs in valleys.

Yeah, that's really good.

Kathy Hochl came out

and she said something really quite interesting.

Here she is.

Young black kids growing up in the Bronx who don't even know what the word a computer is.

They don't know.

They don't know these things.

And I want the world to open up to all of them

because when you have their diverse voices innovating solutions through technology, then you're really addressing society's broader challenges.

Well, there's a couple of things here.

Seems a little racist to make a

blanket statement that kids inside of the communities of big cities don't even know what the word computer means.

That's a new one.

I haven't heard that one, but no, it's not racist.

Kathy Oakle said it, so it's not racist, definitely not racist.

But I also just want to just work on the logic here.

By adding their diverse voices

to

the technological progress of the United States,

they're going to bring a lot to the table.

Not if they don't know what the word computer means.

Right.

I mean, they're really not going to bring a lot.

I mean, they might benefit, but I can't imagine, you know, the people at Microsoft are like, oh, crap, we never thought of that.

Right.

Wait, a delete button?

Are you serious?

That's a great idea.

Yeah.

I mean, they have to do that.

They don't even know what the word delete means on computers.

How insultingly racist is this?

And it's just thrown out there constantly.

I don't know exactly what it is.

I mean, part of it, I think, is this

just tendency to bring up the three or four individual topics and kind of, it always makes it more powerful to them if you insert race or if you insert sexual preference or if you insert gender.

Imagine what those, you know, those gay black kids, they, they don't, I mean, they know nothing.

They don't know.

I mean, imagine they don't know.

They don't know the computer.

They don't know the word apple.

And I don't mean the computers.

I mean the actual apple.

Oh my gosh.

No idea what it is.

That's true.

Well, I think up in the mountains it's true i'm sort of surprised she didn't combine five or six more intersectional points into this just she just went black children she didn't go with black lgbtq incredible female uh trans youth she didn't go to any of that stuff no uh it's just so pathetic and i do think she aligns perfectly with biden on this stuff this is what biden does all the time you know barack obama was a clean the first clean articulate black man it was a fairy tale man it's a fairy tale yes it's mythical that you could find an African-American who is articulate and clean.

It's a fairy tale, Origin.

It's a fairy tale, man.

Of course, you go back to his 7-Eleven.

You can't go into a 7-Eleven and

unless you have a slight Indian accent.

Oh, that's funny.

Oh, so funny.

I mean, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black.

I mean, he does this stuff all the time.

Hochul is just, I mean, she'd be the perfect VP.

Get rid of Harris and slide her in.

She knows the platform apparently.

She'd be good, but I don't know.

Is she part of, no, she's on the left, so

she's not training up in the mountains, right?

I still can't get past the training in the

I couldn't get past

the training that's going on in the mountains.

Is it possible that the training, if it were to happen, is only happening in the mountains because

all of the schoolyards are taken by the left, and

they're training people there in the school.

So they are like, well, we can't use the school at night because you know, they're training all of the activists in school.

So

where are we going to go?

I don't know.

Mountains.

Maybe.

Maybe that's what's happening.

Maybe there's just no room in the public square anymore to train,

you know, if you're going to be a radical because all of the radicals on the left are using everything that we know.

So they have to like, I don't know, can we find a patch in the mountains?

Maybe.

I don't know.

That's true.

That's true.

Or, or none of that's true.

That's possibly that one.

Yeah, it's possibly that one.

Could be.

It could be, yeah.

It could be.

Now, on tomorrow's television program, we're going to talk to you about,

well, we're going to have a lot of fun with medicine and sex changes because of gender dysphoria.

Okay.

Gender dysphoria used to be a disorder, but now it's just dysphoria and

it can be fixable.

You know, if you're in the wrong body, there's no reason to talk to you.

Talk to a psychiatrist what hello uh no it's just uh you're right and so we're gonna cut your breasts off uh and make it so you can never have a baby again and and that's great because especially if you think the world is overpopulated you know you kill two birds with one stone you know you help the those who are suffering uh you know with dysphoria and when i say help i mean destroy uh and you cut down on the surplus population as uh

charles dickens once wrote So Miriam Grossman is somebody I did an interview with.

This is something that you need to watch tomorrow night.

It's a special, I think it's 90-minute special, and it's free tomorrow night.

We want you to see it and pass it on to your friends.

But the next day, the very next day, I have an interview with Miriam Grossman, who we interviewed to be able to talk to her in advance before the special so we could use her insight.

She is a very, very brave MD.

She is a psychiatrist and she deals in particular with gender dysphoria.

She's been ringing the bell of warning for, well, since I think 2008, 2009, before any of us were even thinking about this, she saw this coming up.

And she has been saving children.

But I want you to listen to, there's a,

it's called WPATH, and it is a global organization that really has,

it's changed everything, changed the way our doctors work and

how we view things.

They're really at the heart of a lot of this stuff.

Listen to Miriam Grossman here.

Well, WPATH is the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, WPATH.

It's an international organization.

There's a branch here in the U.S.

And essentially, you know, it sounds like a very reputable professional medical organization, and it was at one time until about 20, 25 years ago, when ideology

prevailed and took over.

But until that time, you see, Glenn, we always knew in psychiatry that there were extremely rare individuals, one in many tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people, who who for some reason

have a sense of discomfort with their sex being male or female it can be a very intense discomfort it can be

devastating to live with

and but again extremely rare

and the psychiatric associations always considered this condition to be a disorder.

disorder.

And what happened was, I just have to say, you're kind of confusing WPATH with

APA and the DSM.

So

in terms of not considering it a disorder, officially, that was the American Psychiatric Association.

And they changed their

categorization of this condition about 10, 11 years ago,

they changed it from falling into the category of a disorder

into simply what they decided to call it instead of a disorder was gender dysphoria, which means unhappiness

with being male or female.

So they removed it from the category of being a disorder.

And that was a landmark decision.

That that was a watershed moment because the psychiatric association separate from WPATH I'll get back to WPATH in a moment

but the

you know the flagship inner worldwide flagship organization of psychiatrists the American Psychiatric Association was announcing to the world that we no longer consider this to be an emotional disorder.

We no longer, when a girl wants her healthy breast to be removed, when a boy wants his healthy genitals to be removed,

we no longer are considering this a psychiatric disorder.

Now that was huge when that happened, as you can understand.

So she goes on to talk about the history of it and then she goes into the children that she has seen and the problems that parents don't see.

They get bad advice from their doctors and

it doesn't work out well.

She also presents several solutions for parents and also those who have been

transitioned into another sex because many of them are now coming out and going,

what were you guys thinking?

What did you do to me?

And

it's not going to be pretty.

And America is the only one left that is just barreling down this road.

We're going to show you the routes, the financing, some of the really dark, dark things that are happening.

I mean, this is, you know, remember I said, if we go the wrong path, we're going to make the Nazis look like rookies.

This is the path of those Nazi doctors.

Wait until you see.

You will not believe some of these American doctors are not in jail for what they're doing.

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There's a new pollout.

Shows Americans overwhelmingly want Disney to return to family-friendly, wholesome entertainment or continue their programming, making sexuality an issue.

Which one?

Which one?

America.

I know how you would have answered that 10 years ago.

I mean, how would you answer it today?

Give it to me one more time.

A new poll shows Americans A, overwhelmingly want Disney to return to family-friendly, wholesome entertainment

or continue their programming about sexuality.

Because it's not even asked like a neutral question, it's like leading you to the first one.

It should be so obvious

that people would want to make it family-friendly.

But the way you're setting this up, it makes me terrified that it's actually actually, they want the sex education in there.

71% want Disney to return to family-friendly entertainment.

Again, this is like the Hamas poll, though.

What?

This is like the Hamas poll everyone was excited about.

Like, oh, well, America actually says they support Israel 80 to 20 over Hamas.

That's not good.

It's not good that 20% support Hamas.

Yeah, I did think that.

I did think that.

I thought, you know, because I think it's 12%.

I think it was only 12% that was only, that were like, I'm not sure.

You know, for the longer.

I could go either way.

I could go either way on the porn inside of the Disney movies thing.

I mean, I'm neutral.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

You know what?

If you're not sure about things, you better start questioning, really, questioning.

You know, maybe, maybe sleepy time pills might be the right choice for you.

I'm not sure.

I don't have an opinion on anything.

I don't know.

I haven't thought anything through in my entire life.

Although I know the one that should be handed the rose at the end of the season.

Well, you got to know that class.

Yeah, very important.

71% said that they should return to wholesome programming.

53% strongly agreed with that.

22% 22% disagreed.

And 10%

of that 22% strongly disagreed.

So again, it comes down to about 10, 15% of the American population that is ruling the world right now.

And gee, if we could just get our 20% of the population to actually join together and stand behind something like,

I don't know, all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with with certain inalienable rights among these life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness.

If we could just get them to stand around that, maybe we too can be revolutionaries.

Maybe we could save the Republic.

No, I don't know.

I don't have an opinion on it.

I

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